Peter VandenBerge ceramic bust, "L'Homme de Terre"
glenn
who follow Peter may be interested in. At the present time, one gallery has
placed a bid. It was from 1983, titled "L'Homme de Terre" (Man of the
World). We would really like an individual who is interested in art for
art's sake buy this at a great price, than have some gallery get it on the
cheap and then triple (quintuple?) the price for it in their gallery. It's a
wonderful piece - check it out if this kind of art excites you. Just go to
eBay and search for 'VandenBerge' to find it. The auction for this
VandenBerge doesn't end until April 30th, 5:21pm, PDT.
Andrew Werby
"glenn" <lun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> We have a Peter VandenBerge ceramic bust up on eBay right now that people
> who follow Peter may be interested in.
[We're all breathlessly following Peter...]
At the present time, one gallery has
> placed a bid. It was from 1983, titled "L'Homme de Terre" (Man of the
> World). We would really like an individual who is interested in art for
> art's sake buy this at a great price, than have some gallery get it on the
> cheap and then triple (quintuple?) the price for it in their gallery.
[Then why not sell it to someone like that, instead of putting it on Ebay
where anybody can buy it? Could it be that you're more interested in "art
for money's sake"? ]
It's a
> wonderful piece - check it out if this kind of art excites you. Just go to
> eBay and search for 'VandenBerge' to find it. The auction for this
> VandenBerge doesn't end until April 30th, 5:21pm, PDT.
[Alt.sculpture isn't an advertising forum, Glenn. If you must, post this
drivel in alt.art.marketplace.]
Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
>
>
shape
for sale on Ebay at the same time. For example, one guy has an original
"Henry Moore" selling for $350. He's from Texas, and the work is
apparently signed. I checked his buyer references, and there were
hundreds of them, funny thing though, they all seemed to have been
written by the same person (you know how you can tell that stuff).
Even as a new artist, I think this whole Ebay thing is bad for art. Are
people really that gullible? My bet is that most of the "bronzes" are
hollow resin with sand in them.
It would help if you would state some of Peter's credentials. Some
galleries, awards, etc.
glenn wrote:
> The owner of the VandenBerge would definitely not be selling it if it
> weren't for the fact that she's up against a wall with her financial
> situation. She needs money, so has started to sell off some of her art
> collection. So you're right - this particular sale is for 'money's sake
> only,' sadly. A lot of art sales are just like that, Andy.
>
> As to why we don't just give it to a gallery, galleries have been raping
> artists since day one. The owner is an artist herself, and has had enough
> dealings with galleries to be hesitant about dealing with them further. (She
> knows some gallery owners who are wonderful and have integrity, and even
> care about the artist - she is not totally averse to dealing with
> galleries - but these are rare). But it gets worse: galleries take at least
> half the selling price, can have the item for many months, over a year, and
> never sell it, care little to nothing about what would be best for the
> artist or the consignee, and while it varies, often little good can be said
> of the scruples of the people who run galleries - they can be true
> low-lifes. Even when a work of art sells through a gallery, the artist or
> consignee often has a hell of a time getting paid (because galleries are
> going broke).
>
> I take it you're one of those people who look down on the idea of putting
> art on eBay where "anybody can buy it." Heaven forbid art becoming
> accessable to people who lack the resources to buy their art exclusively in
> galleries, at often exorbitant prices, huh? This kind of snobbery is what
> has largely killed art in our culture. Too many Americans see through this
> bullshit, and it repels them. Art is trying to break out in new venues, the
> spirit is there, just buried, and eBay has been a great boon to many artists
> who would have no possibility of getting their work seen otherwise -- not
> because they are no-talents, but simply because the effete snobs who control
> the art marketing in this country (i.e., gallery people) won't give them a
> 2nd glance because they don't have a "name" yet that will sell their art at
> the rediculous prices they've determined make it profitable for them to do
> business as a gallery.
>
> I apologize for being off-topic in my original post: I wasn't sure whether a
> post about a work by a noted ceramic sculptor being up for sale would be
> appreciated in alt.sculpture or not (seems like it would - maybe you're just
> a little anal, Andy). But at least this thread now has topic that is
> non-commercial, and can be looked upon as not so much "drivel."
>
> -glenn
>
> "Andrew Werby" <and...@computersculpture.com> wrote in message
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glenn
find many on eBay, preying on the gullible. It's far more visible on eBay -
eBay is so big, and no one disputes that most all the art on eBay is 'pretty
bad,' to be charitable. Disreputable galleries also hurt art, and also prey
on the gullible, but I think it's really the economics of galleries, whether
reputable or not, that hurts art, in the way it blocks so much art that is
trying to find expression. EBay is simply one way an artist or an art owner
wanting to part with a piece can get the work seen by people, and where both
can perhaps get a 'fair deal.' Often, there may be no other option for a
person to get his work or item seen.
For people selling art, eBay is a way to sell your piece without some
middleman grabbing 50% (or far more), simply because the 'system' says
galleries are the only way to put art before people. I like that idea - more
democracy and less snobbery in the mechanics of art distribution has to be a
good thing in this country where art is presently at such a nadir of
support. Anything that can expose people to art can't hurt (yes - people
will say that much of the 'art' on eBay should not be exposed, but that in
itself can be educational), and it is to be expected that there will be
plenty of sharks at any pool where naive minnows are attracted.
My post wasn't meant to 'sell' Peter VandenBerge as an artist - we don't
expect people who are not familiar with his work to be interested in
bidding. The auction itself has some web links where a viewer can learn more
about Peter VandenBerge, but we don't expect bidding from people new to
Peter. We would love to sell this to a person, NOT an art gallery. We can't
prevent galleries from bidding, of course, but the gallery that has bid on
this piece, if they win it, will turn around and put a price tag of anything
from $1000 to $5000 on this piece (I'm not kidding) and eventually, perhaps
it will take a year or two, sell it to someone (maybe, maybe not). The owner
needs the money now, so could not take that route even if she loved the
gallery 'system.'
Because eBay has gotten so big, just putting a good piece (a work by a noted
artist) up for auction isn't good enough - it can 'slip under the radar' too
easily. That's why I have posted in a few forums about the sale - how else
to reach people who would really appreciate getting a VandenBerge at a price
well below what they'd have to pay the middleman? It's win-win: the seller
often gets as much or more than if they had sold it in a gallery (because of
the gallery's big 'take,') and the buyer of the art gets good value for his
money. The more this can happen, the better for art.
eBay has lots that is not good about it as a venue for art, but right now,
it's about the only option out there for people like my seller.
Well, I talk too much. Thanks for your input, Shape.
-glenn
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