sshhhhh......
Ejaycee
and enjoy the peace for a while.
Ejay
Gosh it doesn't half echo though.....
Karl-Heinz Efkemann
--
Gruￜ,
Karl-Heinz
S Viemeister
Robert Peffers
"S Viemeister" <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote in message
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creaking door.
--
Auld Bob
Odysseus
"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Just thought I'd sit here quietly on my own
> and enjoy the peace for a while.
<playing "Johnny Cope" outside the window>
Is it time for a Roll Call?
--
Odysseus
Ejaycee
"Odysseus" <odysseu...@yahoo-dot.ca> wrote in message
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Oh YES what a good idea!!
Then we'll have a party
PARTY !PARTY! PARTY........
Ejay
That'll shatter the peace and the neighbourhood
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
> In article <3omdnTp0jqeDb37XnZ2dnUVZ8iidn...@westnet.com.au>,
>
> "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > Just thought I'd sit here quietly on my own
> > and enjoy the peace for a while.
>
> <playing "Johnny Cope" outside the window>
>
> Is it time for a Roll Call?
>
> --
> Odysseus
Rol Call here or a eperate post? I would not want to 'bother' Auld
Bob by breaking the silence. : )
Robert Peffers
"Reverend David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ach! Dinna fash! I've got Tinnitus, industrial deafness and I'm wearing ear
plugs. The ear plugs keep the extraneous noise out and the inner ear noise
in.
--
Auld Bob
Lesley Robertson
"Ejaycee" <gene...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> PARTY !PARTY! PARTY........
>
Did somebody call?
Lesley Robertson
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
wrote:
> "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
Then lets get the party Started.
ROLL CALL and UPDATE!
:::Stands at attention::::
David of the Clan Gunn
I have been very busy for the last year. I decided to give up my
business as an insurance broker and go do something that will promise
to be much less profitable,but more rewarding, be a high school
teacher. I want to teach in our secondary schools here, High School
History, Government and Economic. So for the last year and a half I
have been attending University full time to get a second degree in
History, with a concentration in World history and a minor in
Southeast Asia. I have onemore year to go. When I rediscovered this
group about 6 months ago (after being gone for 6 or 7 years) it was a
wondeful suprise. I just finished a paper on women's sexuality from
the Renaissance to the Victorian era and am working on my Senior
thesis which is abot the relationship between the U.S. and Thailand
from 1947-1957. Hmm wbat else? I no longer wear my kilt every day
because it is too much of a distration in class but I still do on the
weekends. So now we have a Gunn being represented at ASC again. : )
-David of the Clan Gunn
Scotty
wrote:
Yep, I've lurked here for years and years and read many interesting
Scottish posts but switched to scs when this group died... I still check
daily.
Scott
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:47:10 +1100, "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Just thought I'd sit here quietly on my own
> >and enjoy the peace for a while.
>
> >Ejay
> >Gosh it doesn't half echo though.....
>
> Yep, I've lurked here for years and years and read many interesting
> Scottish posts but switched to scs when this group died... I still check
> daily.
>
> Scott
Does SCS still have loud and obnoxious fights? Some of the trolls on
there were just unbelievable. Such as HE who shall remain unnamed of
a certain ILK.
Even the regualr members who just disagreed could be pretty
offputting. Othen then HIM I think the most contentious it ever got
here was arguing about history and the movie BRAVEHEART. : ) And
that was never mean spirited.
-Reverend David of the Clan Gunn.
Ejaycee
> "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:Y9CdnQb53MHZ3njX...@westnet.com.au...
>
>
>
> > PARTY !PARTY! PARTY........
>
> Did somebody call?
> Lesley Robertson
Then lets get the party Started.
ROLL CALL and UPDATE!
:::Stands at attention::::
OKAY Ejay is here..... I'll have a nice white wine whilst we get started
thank you....
I'd been gone for about the same time David but recently wandered in
on one of my occasional checks and from there wandered over to SCS and have
somehow stayed - for the moment. That will be changing soon as I have
several
projects Ihave been neglecting and must get stuck into.
There is still a fair amount of bickering and name calling among some
members
over there - as opposed to actual trolls - which was one of the reasons I
left in the first place.
Although SCS is mostly a froth and bubble place for me - I always thought
ASC
was where the genuine posts and interests in Scotland were and was sorrywhen
it
went so quiet.
He of that ILK reappeared very briefly just recently although I do sometimes
wonder if he is skulking there under another name.Others might have a better
idea on that one.
I haven't been as studious academically as you but I am now classed as a
botanical artist- it's taken me ages to call myself an artist instead of a
dabbler.
Now I'm retired I spend my days painting;computing; playing with animation
graphics;genealogy - there just isn't enough time in a day
NEXT.................
Bryn Fraser
Its my birthday, again...
Bryn
Ejaycee
"Bryn Fraser" <brianlo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 1:07 pm, "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> >news:Y9CdnQb53MHZ3njX...@westnet.com.au...
>
> > > PARTY !PARTY! PARTY........
>
> > Did somebody call?
> > Lesley Robertson
>
> Then lets get the party Started.
>
> ROLL CALL and UPDATE!
> :::Stands at attention::::
>
> OKAY Ejay is here..... I'll have a nice white wine whilst we get started
> thank you....
>
> NEXT.................
Its my birthday, again...
And I forgot again.......
Ejay
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
>
> - Show quoted text -
Happy Happy Birthday Bryn : )
Ejay, I do not have an artistic bone in my body, I can't even play a
musical instrument let alone paint or draw and I am SO jealous of
people who can lol. Maybe someday we can see an "Ejay's Big Book of
Scottish Thistle" All kidding aside it is very very cool.
Lesley Robertson
>Does SCS still have loud and obnoxious fights? Some of the trolls on
>there were just unbelievable. Such as HE who shall remain unnamed of
>a certain ILK.
He's been back recently, trying to promote a book which turned out to be as
accurate as his previous projects.
>Even the regualr members who just disagreed could be pretty
>offputting. Othen then HIM I think the most contentious it ever got
>here was arguing about history and the movie BRAVEHEART. : ) And
>that was never mean spirited.
There's some "unusual" characters posting there, largely thanks to
cross-posting I think. It has good days and bad days.
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
>
>> "Ejaycee" <geneli...@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:Y9CdnQb53MHZ3njX...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>
>>
>> > PARTY !PARTY! PARTY........
>>
>> Did somebody call?
>> Lesley Robertson
>
> Then lets get the party Started.
>
> ROLL CALL and UPDATE!
> :::Stands at attention::::
>
> OKAY Ejay is here..... I'll have a nice white wine whilst we get
> started
> thank you....
>
Like Scotty, I tend to check most days, just in case. I've been pretty busy
working on my Whitsome study - people have been generous with old photos for
the website and we've been trying to identify people, and I've completed my
work on the War memorials. I've also become a volunteer photographer for the
Commonwealth War Graves Photographic Project. They're trying to get photos
of every CWGC grave linked to the big databases. As the cemetaries are
world-wide, it's a massive project and there's plenty here in the sunny
Netherlands that needs doing - my little gang is about to complete the
Province of South Holland! What else? Work continues - I cooperated with the
BBC on episode 1 of Cell which was about Anthonie van Leeuwenhoek, the man
who invented my profession, and we've started recreating some of the old
experiments - I'm now pretty good at taking photos down a van Leeuwenhoek
microscope (complicated by the fact that the camera lens is usually bigger
than the whole microscope). We've just had an open day when we proved to the
public that few of them effectively wash their hands - that was remarkably
popular, I imagine because the most effective way to keep the flu away is
good handwashing. Had fun "discussing" matters with Ilky when he showed up
in scs.
That's about it - mine's a Craggemore!
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
"Bryn Fraser" <brianlo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>Its my birthday, again...
Be glad I saw this too late to sing!
Lesley Robertson
Bryn Fraser
wrote:
> "Bryn Fraser" <brianlovett...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:90f373ee-d335-42c1...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Its my birthday, again...
>
> Be glad I saw this too late to sing!
> Lesley Robertson
But the thought was there...
Bryn
Ejaycee
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
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>
>
- I'm now pretty good at taking photos down a van Leeuwenhoek
> microscope (complicated by the fact that the camera lens is usually bigger
> than the whole microscope).
I'm fascinated by microscope photography but from the botanical angle
Whilst not looking in the same league as your microscope, I would very much
like a digital microscope - is that what they are called ? - Where you can
take
picture through the microscope and look at it on screen
Ejay
> That's about it - mine's a Craggemore!
Haven't heard of that one but I'm quite sure we can't get it here.
Ejay
>
Lesley Robertson
>
> "Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote in message
> news:9391d$4ae995a7$83b4502b$97...@news1.tudelft.nl...
>>
>>
> - I'm now pretty good at taking photos down a van Leeuwenhoek
>> microscope (complicated by the fact that the camera lens is usually
>> bigger than the whole microscope).
>
> I'm fascinated by microscope photography but from the botanical angle
> Whilst not looking in the same league as your microscope, I would very
> much
> like a digital microscope - is that what they are called ? - Where you can
> take
> picture through the microscope and look at it on screen
> Ejay
There are a few about, but they're very variable in quality so try before
you buy.
>
>> That's about it - mine's a Craggemore!
>
> Haven't heard of that one but I'm quite sure we can't get it here.
It's a fairly light one that I like for warm weather drinking. Islays are
for winter.
Lesley Robertson
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Commonwealth Graves project sounds really facinating. Is it an
active site that we can view yet or are they still compiling? I will
admit that while I have done a
little study of The Netherlands in connection to general historical
work about Europe, I have been somewhat lacking in studying the
country itself. What I HAVE spent considerable time studying is
colonial control of Indonesia (The Netherlands East Indies) because of
my interest in Southeast Asia. Unfortunitly the same is true of
Scotland, if only the Scots had colonized Cambodia I probaly would
have written paper on them by now. :) Although in my history of
Education class I did a study on the old Scottish school system,
tracing the parish schools back to the middle ages which I had not
known before.
I have seen Craggamore but never tasted it. I like to go with
Talisker but if you say it is good for a lighter summer drink, I will
give it a try.
Lesley Robertson
>The Commonwealth Graves project sounds really facinating. Is it an
>active site that we can view yet or are they still compiling?
http://www.cwgc.org/ is the CWGC site.
http://twgpp.org/ is the photo project.
> What I HAVE spent considerable time studying is
>colonial control of Indonesia (The Netherlands East Indies) because
>of
>my interest in Southeast Asia.
I've done a bit of that at work because a couple of our Professors
were deeply involved in teaching Indonesians applied botany and other
biosciences.
>Although in my history of
>Education class I did a study on the old Scottish school system,
>tracing the parish schools back to the middle ages which I had not
>known before.
Have you seen the 19th century school photos on my website?
http://homepages.ipact.nl/~robertson/whitsome%201%20place%20study/school/index.html
>I have seen Craggamore but never tasted it. I like to go with
>Talisker but if you say it is good for a lighter summer drink, I will
>give it a try.
It IS a bit lighter than the Tusk. Of course, as soon as I wrote that,
the weather took a turn for the colder, so I'll be out hunting Islays
tomorrow.
Lesley Robertson
Reverend David of the Clan Gunn
wrote:
> http://www.cwgc.org/is the CWGC site.http://twgpp.org/is the photo project.
yippy, new websites to fritter away my time lol
> Have you seen the 19th century school photos on my website?http://homepages.ipact.nl/~robertson/whitsome%201%20place%20study/sch...
well, not before now : )
> It IS a bit lighter than the Tusk. Of course, as soon as I wrote that,
> the weather took a turn for the colder, so I'll be out hunting Islays
> tomorrow.
lol yes, the last week or so we have had real highland weather.
Stormy, cloudy, chilly and of course, wet. Not Winter cold yet,
it has not gotten below about 3 celsius, but does not get warmer then
about 10. With any luck we will have a warm spell in November for a
good Indian summe.
-David of the Clan Gunn
> Lesley Robertson
Scotty
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>Have you seen the 19th century school photos on my website?
>http://homepages.ipact.nl/~robertson/whitsome%201%20place%20study/school/index.html
Gosh, that's well done and interesting, being only five miles from my
presumed home village.
Does the Parish school building still exist? Judging from the photo and
looking in Google Earth, there is a building on what might have been the
sight, with a tennis court adjacent.
I also found a few of my relatives, a farm servant who was unable to
settle up on the death of the shop keeper, William Smith No illusions of
Braveheart here :-) and one who died at the Battle of the Somme. We were
implicated in a fracas at:
"7 October 1479 Judicial proceeding: forfeiture of John Ellem of Butterdean
and others for holding Dunbar castle against the king".
I've not been able to find a birth certificate for my own lot, one Jesse
born 1781 who, was living, working, marrying Sarah Froy and hatching in
London. He boarded ship in London 1819, so we are not even Scots,
nonetheless my son is a piper and my brothers son is a piper. Ah, well.
What is your interest in Whitsome, I only spotted a memorial to M
Robertson?
Many thanks,
Scott.
Ejaycee
> "Reverend David of the Clan Gunn" <silnt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b2a9a734-cdf0-4df0...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>snip>
>>Although in my history of
>>Education class I did a study on the old Scottish school system,
>>tracing the parish schools back to the middle ages which I had not
>>known before.
That would be interesting |David
>
> Have you seen the 19th century school photos on my website?
> http://homepages.ipact.nl/~robertson/whitsome%201%20place%20study/school/index.html
>
I enjoyed a re look at your site Lesley - it was interesting to see someof
the children and teachers
in furtheryears too.
I don't remember asking you how you became involved with Whitsome -
I mean, I know its through the one name study and you have been involved
with this for around
ten years I know of, but did you pick the place you want to research,or are
you allocated a place?
Ejay
Mind you I did think you might have added some more to your wee indulgence
by now........
Lesley Robertson
>lol yes, the last week or so we have had real highland weather.
>Stormy, cloudy, chilly and of course, wet. Not Winter cold yet,
>it has not gotten below about 3 celsius, but does not get warmer then
>about 10. With any luck we will have a warm spell in November for a
>good Indian summe.
I'm hoping for a mild January - I have to be at a family wedding in
Dunkeld in the middle of the month and I really hate driving in snow!
I could do the plane/train thing, but it's a good chance to photograph
the Hilton burial ground while the vegetation is low, and to do that,
I'll need the car.
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
news:4bboe513lehciu4ka...@4ax.com...
>
> Gosh, that's well done and interesting, being only five miles from
> my
> presumed home village.
Which is? Ladykirk? Edrom?
>
> Does the Parish school building still exist? Judging from the photo
> and
> looking in Google Earth, there is a building on what might have been
> the
> sight, with a tennis court adjacent.
Yes, it's a private house now.
>
> I also found a few of my relatives, a farm servant who was unable
> to
> settle up on the death of the shop keeper, William Smith No
> illusions of
> Braveheart here :-) and one who died at the Battle of the Somme.
Do tell. I do like to know where their families ended up.
We were
> implicated in a fracas at:
> "7 October 1479 Judicial proceeding: forfeiture of John Ellem of
> Butterdean
> and others for holding Dunbar castle against the king".
Have you seen the records of the Scottish Parliament? They're on line
now.
>
> I've not been able to find a birth certificate for my own lot, one
> Jesse
> born 1781 who, was living, working, marrying Sarah Froy and hatching
> in
> London. He boarded ship in London 1819, so we are not even Scots,
> nonetheless my son is a piper and my brothers son is a piper. Ah,
> well.
Birth certs didn't start until 1855, your best hope would be a
baptismal entry and there's a few things that could be problems:
1: A lot of records haven't survived - damp, negelect, was, poor
materials, all sorts of reasons.
2: If they were non-conformists (anything from the Free Church to the
RCs) their baps/marriages were probably not enterest in the Kirk
registers. Som non-con registers HAVE survivied but they're in NAS and
only now getting digitised.
3: Don't forget how fuzzy spelling of names in Scotland was before
WW1. I've never come across a male called Jesse, so this may be a
nickname and he might be registered under another name.
>
> What is your interest in Whitsome, I only spotted a memorial to M
> Robertson?
There's quite a few about, including 2 Ministers, but it's one of the
10 most common names in Scotland.
It's not family, my late Partner owned one of the houses. Being stuck
on my own (Fife & Angus) family, when Historic Scotland listed the
house, I decided to look at its history. In a small village, you can't
really isolate once house and the stufy grew to cover the village,
then the famrs and also the merged parish of Hilton. With a bit of
willpower, I can keep it within the parish boundaries. It's
fascinating, watching the change of the community down the centuries.
Lesley Robertson
Lesley Robertson
>
> I don't remember asking you how you became involved with Whitsome -
> I mean, I know its through the one name study and you have been
> involved with this for around
> ten years I know of, but did you pick the place you want to
> research,or are you allocated a place?
See my answer to Scotty - I saw that message first.
There's not enough people doing scottish OPSs, there's a lot more
south of the Border.
> Mind you I did think you might have added some more to your wee
> indulgence by now........
Ah, but the website is just the tip of the iceberg.... My databases
are enormous!
Lesley Robertson
Bryn Fraser
wrote:
> "Reverend David of the Clan Gunn" <silntth...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:b2a9a734-cdf0-4df0...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >The Commonwealth Graves project sounds really facinating. Is it an
> >active site that we can view yet or are they still compiling?
>
>
> > What I HAVE spent considerable time studying is
> >colonial control of Indonesia (The Netherlands East Indies) because
> >of
> >my interest in Southeast Asia.
>
> I've done a bit of that at work because a couple of our Professors
> were deeply involved in teaching Indonesians applied botany and other
> biosciences.
>
> >Although in my history of
> >Education class I did a study on the old Scottish school system,
> >tracing the parish schools back to the middle ages which I had not
> >known before.
>
>
> >I have seen Craggamore but never tasted it. I like to go with
> >Talisker but if you say it is good for a lighter summer drink, I will
> >give it a try.
>
> It IS a bit lighter than the Tusk. Of course, as soon as I wrote that,
> the weather took a turn for the colder, so I'll be out hunting Islays
> tomorrow.
>
> Lesley Robertson
They are cunning wee devils when the get among the heather..
Bryn
Scotty
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
>news:4bboe513lehciu4ka...@4ax.com...
>
>>
>> Gosh, that's well done and interesting, being only five miles from my
>> presumed home village.
>
>Which is? Ladykirk? Edrom?
Paxton, the only connection, so far, is the surname, still pondering
whether I should reclaim the family mansion :-)
>> Does the Parish school building still exist? Judging from the photo
>> and
>> looking in Google Earth, there is a building on what might have been
>> the sight, with a tennis court adjacent.
>
>Yes, it's a private house now.
>>
>> I also found a few of my relatives, a farm servant who was unable to
>> settle up on the death of the shop keeper, William Smith No
>> illusions of
>> Braveheart here :-) and one who died at the Battle of the Somme.
>
>Do tell. I do like to know where their families ended up.
>
>>We were implicated in a fracas at:
>> "7 October 1479 Judicial proceeding: forfeiture of John Ellem of
>> Butterdean
>> and others for holding Dunbar castle against the king".
>
>Have you seen the records of the Scottish Parliament? They're on line now.
Yes, thanks to your posting the link a few weeks ago. The surname appeared
twice, the place name a few more times. The story from a distant cousin
with whom I have since lost contact, is that we were a bunch of trouble
makers and we lost, so had to get out in a hurry...
>> I've not been able to find a birth certificate for my own lot, one Jesse
>> born 1781 who, was living, working, marrying Sarah Froy and hatching
>> in London. He boarded ship in London 1819, so we are not even Scots,
>> nonetheless my son is a piper and my brothers son is a piper. Ah,
>> well.
>
>Birth certs didn't start until 1855, your best hope would be a
>baptismal entry and there's a few things that could be problems:
>1: A lot of records haven't survived - damp, negelect, was, poor
>materials, all sorts of reasons.
>2: If they were non-conformists (anything from the Free Church to the
>RCs) their baps/marriages were probably not enterest in the Kirk
>registers. Som non-con registers HAVE survivied but they're in NAS and
>only now getting digitised.
The only information I have on Jesse is what appeared on his marriage
certificate which took place at the Parish Church of St. Giles.
Cripplegate, London, 21 June 1801. No parents mentioned, so blocked there.
Married by the Reverend James Grant McGregor
Sailed with his wife Sarah Froy and 6 children from London in December 1819
aboard the "Ocean" to South Africa. This was the fourth ship of Settlers
to sail for the Cape. They arrived in Algoa Bay in April 1820 and were
included in Dixon's party, settling at Waaiplaats in the Bathurst District
of Grahamstown.
Sarah Froy was French and went to England after the French Revolution
She died at the residence of her son-in-law W A Fletcher on 4 October 1871
(90 years old) in Grahamstown. I have a photo of the old dear, no beauty
queen there either...
The youngest kid to leave the UK, David Jesse was baptised on 9 Sep 1818 St
Leonard's Shoreditch London as had been the case with the rest of the
brood. The first S African was Susannah Emma b. 7 Jan 1821, so they must
have got cracking almost as soon as they arrived and were dropped in the
middle of the African bush surrounded by angry Xhosa.
>3: Don't forget how fuzzy spelling of names in Scotland was before
>WW1. I've never come across a male called Jesse, so this may be a
>nickname and he might be registered under another name.
That's the name given on the marriage certificate, his occupation was given
as "Packer", which I assume was at one of the nearby markets/wharves.
>> What is your interest in Whitsome, I only spotted a memorial to M
>> Robertson?
>
>There's quite a few about, including 2 Ministers, but it's one of the
>10 most common names in Scotland.
>It's not family, my late Partner owned one of the houses. Being stuck
>on my own (Fife & Angus) family, when Historic Scotland listed the
>house, I decided to look at its history. In a small village, you can't
>really isolate once house and the stufy grew to cover the village,
>then the famrs and also the merged parish of Hilton. With a bit of
>willpower, I can keep it within the parish boundaries. It's
>fascinating, watching the change of the community down the centuries.
>Lesley Robertson
It has changed but it doesn't appear to have grown :-)
Scott.
Lesley Robertson
>
> Paxton, the only connection, so far, is the surname, still
> pondering
> whether I should reclaim the family mansion :-)
It's a lovely house, but you'd probably get tired of the punlic
tramping through. It has a sad tale attached - the owner built it for
the love of his life before he asked her to marry him, and she
didn't....
>
> Yes, thanks to your posting the link a few weeks ago. The surname
> appeared
> twice, the place name a few more times. The story from a distant
> cousin
> with whom I have since lost contact, is that we were a bunch of
> trouble
> makers and we lost, so had to get out in a hurry...
I think that deines a lot of the Borderers.
>
> The only information I have on Jesse is what appeared on his
> marriage
> certificate which took place at the Parish Church of St. Giles.
> Cripplegate, London, 21 June 1801. No parents mentioned, so blocked
> there.
>
> Married by the Reverend James Grant McGregor
> Sailed with his wife Sarah Froy and 6 children from London in
> December 1819
> aboard the "Ocean" to South Africa. This was the fourth ship of
> Settlers
> to sail for the Cape. They arrived in Algoa Bay in April 1820 and
> were
> included in Dixon's party, settling at Waaiplaats in the Bathurst
> District
> of Grahamstown.
I assume that you've seen this http://www.eggsa.org/ ?
Lesley
Scotty
Yes, thanks, we're all stuck at the same place. My chart has about 800
descendants on it
My Dad started it all and he desperately wanted to be Scots rather than
*nglish, Welsh and definitely not Irish. If he had followed his Mom's side
he would have made Scotland in two easy steps. Kettle/s, from Aberdeen, if
I'm remembering correctly.
>Lesley
Lesley Robertson
> My Dad started it all and he desperately wanted to be Scots rather than
> *nglish, Welsh and definitely not Irish. If he had followed his Mom's side
> he would have made Scotland in two easy steps. Kettle/s, from Aberdeen, if
> I'm remembering correctly.
>
On the assumption that Jesse wasn't an only child, and his siblings didn't
leave for SA with him, I had a look at the 1841 census. There is a Jessie
Paston (a known variant) aged 25 and born in Buckinghamshire. I've had a
look at the page, and it could be Paxton or Paston. There's also Robert and
William P on the same pages, in different households, all about the same age
(bearing in mind that the 1841 has the ages rounded off to nearest 5 years).
They're all about the right age to be your Jesse's nephews. FreeBMD shows 7
Jesse Paxton deaths from 1849-1902, all in the Aylsbury or Banbury areas.
There are no baptisms anywhere in Scotland between 1538-1854 for Jesse
Paxton on Scotlands People. Also no marriages for the same period.
I think you should look more closely at Buckinghamshire.
There's notheing wrong with being scots in the female line rather than the
male!
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
Thank you for your time and effort, I'll have a closer look. There are more
P records in *ngland than Scotland. Except for the rugby player, the most
notable, Sir Joseph P who designed the Crystal Palace, unfortunately no
connection..
http://www.ge35.dial.pipex.com/sirjosephpaxton1.htm
http://www.ge35.dial.pipex.com/josephpaxtontree.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crystal_Palace
Even the character involved in the Dunbar Castle incident is given as
Adam de Paxton, which I assume means Adam of the village of P, so not
necessary a blood line.
>There's notheing wrong with being scots in the female line rather than the
>male!
Indeed, honour is served, in fact I've been given that it is the Scot's
way, my Dad can now RIP :-)
If you're interested, I can email some of the accomplishments of Ps in the
early SA diamond fields and a picture of Sarah Froy.
>Lesley Robertson
Unfortunately, totally unconnected but an interesting story of the Froy's,
especially their escape from Cambrai, Nothern France, there is a Sarah,
unfortunately the dates don't quite line up. Also a romantic connection to
Jane Austen. Just one of those things I found while looking for Froy.
Genealogy is a bit like reading a dictionary, I can't put it down :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Langlois_Lefroy
Tom Lefroy was born of the Irish Lefroys, descendants of a Huguenot Lefroy
who migrated to England in the 16th century[6], hence the French sounding
name.
http://web.archive.org/web/20030202144100/http://www.carrigglas.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20030213021516/www.carrigglas.com/family.html
The Lefroy family originally came from the town of Cambrai in North Western
corner of France. They were affiliated to the House of Souastres, and
Monstrelet's Chronicles (written in the fifteenth century) allude to the
death of the then head of the family, the Lord L'Offroy, at the battle of
Agincourt in 1415 (fighting on the French side, of course!). In 1585 the
family had to flee religious persecution in France, and as refugees were
not allowed to leave France with any property Jeffry's nine-greats
grandfather, Antoine, converted the family money into five diamonds which
he sewed into the pockets of his young son Esaie (shown on the left below,
in a portrait from 1614) and escaped with his wife Marie (shown on the
right below, in a portrait from 1600) to England.
Antoine sold the diamonds and the family set themselves up in the silk
dyeing business, having anglicised their name to Lefroy (there is still a
Lefroy Road in London). Esaie's son Jacques, grandson Israel and
great-grandson Thomas carried on the business but with the collapse of the
silk-dyeing trade in the early 1700s Thomas' son Anthony, the only male
Lefroy left in the world at that time, left England to seek his fortune in
Italy. There he met and married Elizabeth Langlois, the daughter of a rich
Huguenot banker, and they had two sons and a daughter, Anthony, George and
Phoebe. Anthony and Elizabeth are the two central figures in the portrait
below, painted in 1738.
Both sons travelled widely and Anthony (shown in the portrait below from
around 1780), upon arriving in Ireland in 1760 declared 'I have arrived in
Paradise'! He married an Irish girl from Clare, Anne Gardiner, and they had
five daughters, followed by five sons, the eldest of which they named
Thomas, Jeffry's great-great-great grandfather. George settled in
Hampshire, England, where he became a rector in the neighbouring parish to
a Parson Austen at Steventon.
Thomas Lefroy, Anthony's son, was born in 1776 and after graduating from
Trinity College, Dublin in 1796 went to stay with his relations in
Hampshire whilst undergoing pupillage at the Lincoln's Inn Bar. There he
met and enjoyed a brief romance with Parson Austen's daughter Jane; indeed
Jane wrote in a letter to her sister Cassandra 'I am almost afraid to tell
you how my Irish friend and I behaved... He is a very gentlemanlike,
good-looking, pleasant young man... Imagine to yourself everything most
profligate and shocking in the way of dancing and sitting down
together.'(!) However, his aunt forbade the relationship and Thomas was
sent back to Ireland forthwith. Jane based the character of Mr. Darcy, the
hero of Pride and Prejudice on him, and on learning of her death Thomas
travelled the considerable distance to England to pay his respects and at
an auction of her effects bought a publisher's rejection letter - for Pride
and Prejudice. (The family connection survives as Jane's niece
married Thomas' cousin, Ben Lefroy). Thomas married Mary Paul, daughter of
Sir Jeffry Paul, in 1799 and after a long and distinguished career was made
a Baron of the Exchequer in 1841 as Lord Lefroy and in 1852 invested as
Lord Chief Justice of Ireland.
The pictures here show Thomas (left) at the time of his acquaintance with
Jane Austen and (right) near the end of his life. He died in 1869.
Both Thomas and his son, Anthony, were Members of Parliament for Dublin
University and County Longford and privy councillors to Queen Victoria.
Anthony married the Hon. Jane King, daughter of Viscount Lorton of
Rockingham, a nearby estate, and the place settings that visitors see on
the dining table are gifts given to them on the occasion of their wedding
in 1825.
Further generations included General Sir John Henry Lefroy (shown above by
Mount Lefroy in Canada in a portrait from1843), who became governer of
Bermuda and Tasmania, and Captain Hugh Lefroy, who invented ground to air
radio and was a pioneering scientist (whose erratic brilliance lead him to
both important steps in the field of atomic science and also to planting
potatos on the roof so they would benefit from moonlight!). Jeffry's
great-uncle Edward drowned aboard the Titanic and his father, Lt- Colonel
Patrick Lefroy, was awarded the MBE for his work in leading a commando unit
organising partisan groups in Italy in the second World War.
Jeffry, a Major in the Irish Fusilliers, served in Kenya, Libya and
Swaziland, in the Middle East, in Europe, and with the United Nations in
Cyprus. In 1995 Jeffry established the Council for the Protection of Irish
Heritage Objects (COPIHO) after the House suffered from the crimewave that
hit Ireland that year where teams of fine art thieves targeted Ireland's
historic houses and made off with a substantial amount of valuable Irish
heritage, a lot of it stolen to order, to sell on the continental and
American markets. In total over �15 million of Ireland's cultural heritage
was stolen, yet COPIHO (Jeffry is pictured above with a recovered piece)
has been succcessful in returning almost �1 million worth of stolen
antiques to their owners, who range from occupants of cottages to big
houses, to date. The organisation has been successful in persuading many
potential targets to fit alarms and hidden security cameras and these have
resulted in foiling at least three serious burglaries. Carrigglas itself
pioneers the development of security cameras and alarms that are in
keeping with architectural considerations. He and Tessa, great-great-grand
daughter of Sir George Gilbert Scott, architect of St Pancras Station and
the Albert Memorial in London, and niece of Sir Thomas Monnington,
President of the Royal Academy, were married in 1964 and they have two
sons, Langlois and Edward.
Lesley Robertson
>
> Thank you for your time and effort, I'll have a closer look. There are
> more
> P records in *ngland than Scotland. Except for the rugby player, the most
> notable, Sir Joseph P who designed the Crystal Palace, unfortunately no
> connection..
There's plenty of Paxtons in Scotland, it's the forename that's rare to the
point where I've not come across it for a man, possibly because the female
Jessie can be sometimes used for being a bit of a softie...
In England, there's also the Paston family - and with the fuzzy attitude
towards spelling you have a fairly good chance that the Pastons and english
Paxtons are the same family. Or else the Bucks Paxtons came doen from
Scotland in earlier times (people did).
>
> If you're interested, I can email some of the accomplishments of Ps in the
> early SA diamond fields and a picture of Sarah Froy.
I tend to only collect stuff from my own family and from the Whitsome &
Hilton area - it's a vain attempt to keep the amount of data I accumulate to
reasonable levels.
>
> Unfortunately, totally unconnected but an interesting story of the Froy's,
> especially their escape from Cambrai, Nothern France, there is a Sarah,
Don't Heese & Lombard give an origin for the Froy/Lefroys?
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
>news:jvbue55ti9ad41rnl...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Thank you for your time and effort, I'll have a closer look. There are
>> more
>> P records in *ngland than Scotland. Except for the rugby player, the most
>> notable, Sir Joseph P who designed the Crystal Palace, unfortunately no
>> connection..
>
>There's plenty of Paxtons in Scotland, it's the forename that's rare to the
>point where I've not come across it for a man, possibly because the female
>Jessie can be sometimes used for being a bit of a softie...
Lesley, sorry for the delay, thanks for lots of ideas, I hadn't thought of
contacting the Huguenots, I'll let you know.
Actually, I'd put the whole thing on the back burner a few years ago when I
had a disk crash. I was able to recover an earlier version of the Ps but
the Kettle tree was lost. I have a paper copy but the chore of recapturing
the data was too discouraging.
I realise the scarcity of Jesse, yet in the tree I have, there are several
Jesses. presumably in honour of the original settler. Isn't a jessie a
donkey in Scots? :-) Anyway I'm relaxed about my Scots ancestry through my
paternal grand-mother.
>In England, there's also the Paston family - and with the fuzzy attitude
>towards spelling you have a fairly good chance that the Pastons and english
>Paxtons are the same family. Or else the Bucks Paxtons came doen from
>Scotland in earlier times (people did).
Yep, It was more important to my Dad than it is for me, he died in 1981,
the French connection is interesting though.
>> If you're interested, I can email some of the accomplishments of Ps in the
>> early SA diamond fields and a picture of Sarah Froy.
>
>I tend to only collect stuff from my own family and from the Whitsome &
>Hilton area -
Parochial hey? We are next door neighbours, just five miles away :-)
Just a teaser - it was the general factotum of the Paxton party/gang who
discovered what was to become the Big-Hole in Kimberly.
>it's a vain attempt to keep the amount of data I accumulate to
>reasonable levels.
>>
>> Unfortunately, totally unconnected but an interesting story of the Froy's,
>> especially their escape from Cambrai, Nothern France, there is a Sarah,
>
>Don't Heese & Lombard give an origin for the Froy/Lefroys?
>Lesley Robertson
I'd not thought of them, I'll contact them and let you know,
Many thanks,
Scott.
Lesley Robertson
> I realise the scarcity of Jesse, yet in the tree I have, there are several
> Jesses. presumably in honour of the original settler. Isn't a jessie a
> donkey in Scots? :-) Anyway I'm relaxed about my Scots ancestry through
> my
> paternal grand-mother.
That's why I think they may tie in to the Buckinghamshire people who have a
record of uing Jesse for their males.
>
>>I tend to only collect stuff from my own family and from the Whitsome &
>>Hilton area -
>
> Parochial hey? We are next door neighbours, just five miles away :-)
Self defence - thee's a limit to how much data I can keep track of!
We're closer than you think - my Mum was afrikaans and my tree is loaded
with Huguenots.
>>
>>Don't Heese & Lombard give an origin for the Froy/Lefroys?
>>Lesley Robertson
>
> I'd not thought of them, I'll contact them and let you know,
Get thee to a library - they're the standard collections of afrikaaner BMDs.
Heese is the modern expert and has been bringing the volumes out for years,
gradually working down the alphabet. Before him, there's de Villiers and
Pama who are reasonably reliable on the older stuff. Heese's son is the one
who's doctoral thesis revealed that many of the old Afrikaaner families have
freed slaves at their roots (and caused no end of trouble). This last is
available from eggsa in the translation by Delia Robertson.
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
>news:koj6f51liu17pk74c...@4ax.com...
>
>> I realise the scarcity of Jesse, yet in the tree I have, there are several
>> Jesses. presumably in honour of the original settler. Isn't a jessie a
>> donkey in Scots? :-) Anyway I'm relaxed about my Scots ancestry through
>> my paternal grand-mother.
>
>That's why I think they may tie in to the Buckinghamshire people who have a
>record of uing Jesse for their males.
Yep, I've probably been looking in the wrong places. My Dad would have been
motified if true.
>>>I tend to only collect stuff from my own family and from the Whitsome &
>>>Hilton area -
>>
>> Parochial hey? We are next door neighbours, just five miles away :-)
>
>Self defence - thee's a limit to how much data I can keep track of!
>We're closer than you think - my Mum was afrikaans and my tree is loaded
>with Huguenots.
Name? So learning Dutch would have been easy?
OMD. we might even be family, my maternal grand mother was a de Jager. My
biggest regret is not having listened more carefully to her stories of
leaving the Transvaal by ox-wagon when hostilities broke out. She married a
Taffy, Charles Frances Pyle who later became the editor of the Natal
Witness and the Eastern Province Herald.
>>>Don't Heese & Lombard give an origin for the Froy/Lefroys?
>>>Lesley Robertson
>>
>> I'd not thought of them, I'll contact them and let you know,
>
>Get thee to a library - they're the standard collections of afrikaaner BMDs.
Hmmm, I used to make extensive use of the reference library, as well as
teaching the kids to use a library etc. But the Jo'burg CBD is now a no-go
area, largely controlled by the Nigerian drug lords. I haven't been there
for more than 10 years... The banks, insurance companies etc. have all just
up-sticks and moved north. I don't have first hand knowledge but the news
for the Cape Archives is also not good.
My neighbourhood branch library was closed ten years ago and since I've
not tried it since, I don't know whether the inter-library loan system
works anymore.
>Heese is the modern expert and has been bringing the volumes out for years,
>gradually working down the alphabet. Before him, there's de Villiers and
>Pama who are reasonably reliable on the older stuff. Heese's son is the one
>who's doctoral thesis revealed that many of the old Afrikaaner families have
>freed slaves at their roots (and caused no end of trouble). This last is
>available from eggsa in the translation by Delia Robertson.
>Lesley Robertson
NO, No, no. Lesley, stopit. I've spent the whole day on the web since
reading your post this morning and I don't want to get sucked in again...
It's spring, the rains have started and the lawn, garden and roses are
calling :-) I AM going to see what I can find on the Huguenots though.
Have fun,
Scott.
--
"Aye, I suppose I could stay up that late." Maxwell, on being told on his arrival
at Cambridge University that there would be a compulsory 6 a.m. church service.
Lesley Robertson
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:30:30 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
> <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>>That's why I think they may tie in to the Buckinghamshire people who
>>have a
>>record of uing Jesse for their males.
>
> Yep, I've probably been looking in the wrong places. My Dad would
> have been
> motified if true.
No necessarily - they could have even moved down from Scotland a
couple of generations earlier.
>>
>>Self defence - thee's a limit to how much data I can keep track of!
>>We're closer than you think - my Mum was afrikaans and my tree is
>>loaded
>>with Huguenots.
>
> Name? So learning Dutch would have been easy?
Cronje. We weren't raised bilingual since she didn't want us talking a
language Dad didn't know. I can now read afrikaans, but it came after
the dutch.
>
> OMD. we might even be family, my maternal grand mother was a de
> Jager. My
> biggest regret is not having listened more carefully to her stories
> of
> leaving the Transvaal by ox-wagon when hostilities broke out. She
> married a
> Taffy, Charles Frances Pyle who later became the editor of the Natal
> Witness and the Eastern Province Herald.
Then we're related. I have de Jagers. Not recent ones, but I descend
from 2 of the children of Andries, the original settler - Frederick
and Elizabeth.
It's one of those things about a community started from a small core
group that on other genealogy groups, people are pleased to find a
single connection. On ZAF groups, people count the connections.
>>Get thee to a library - they're the standard collections of
>>afrikaaner BMDs.
>
> Hmmm, I used to make extensive use of the reference library, as well
> as
> teaching the kids to use a library etc. But the Jo'burg CBD is now a
> no-go
> area, largely controlled by the Nigerian drug lords. I haven't been
> there
> for more than 10 years... The banks, insurance companies etc. have
> all just
> up-sticks and moved north. I don't have first hand knowledge but
> the news
> for the Cape Archives is also not good.
Ah..... The Genealogical Society probably has a lookup service...
The books are in the Hague's Genealogy Centre but I don't go very
often as it requires a day off work.
>
> NO, No, no. Lesley, stopit. I've spent the whole day on the web
> since
> reading your post this morning and I don't want to get sucked in
> again...
> It's spring, the rains have started and the lawn, garden and roses
> are
> calling :-) I AM going to see what I can find on the Huguenots
> though.
Tee hee!
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
<l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>"Scotty" <nob...@home.net> wrote in message
>news:ad58f5hiiif9qekil...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:30:30 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
>> <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>That's why I think they may tie in to the Buckinghamshire people who
>>>have a
>>>record of uing Jesse for their males.
>>
>> Yep, I've probably been looking in the wrong places. My Dad would
>> have been
>> motified if true.
>
>No necessarily - they could have even moved down from Scotland a
>couple of generations earlier.
Spurred on by that thought, that is quite probable as they were tried in
absentia, so probably chose discretion rather than valour.
James III: 1479, 4 October, Edinburgh, Parliament, Parliamentary Register
7 October 1479. Judicial proceeding: forfeiture of John Ellem of Butterdean
and others for holding Dunbar castle against the king.
"by apprehending them personally if you are able to come upon them, and by
public proclamation at the castle of Dunbar and the market cross of the
burgh of Dunbar, so that this summons can likely come to their notice - to
appear personally before us at our burgh of Edinburgh"
Including. "the lands of David Paxton on the east" etc.
>> Name? So learning Dutch would have been easy?
>
>Cronje. We weren't raised bilingual since she didn't want us talking a
>language Dad didn't know. I can now read afrikaans, but it came after
>the dutch.
I only tried speaking Afrikaans once on my various visits to Holland.
although it does help to follow Dutch.
>Then we're related. I have de Jagers. Not recent ones, but I descend
>from 2 of the children of Andries, the original settler - Frederick
>and Elizabeth.
Who would have thunk it? My Gran had a "sallow" complexion which we were
told was because she was Huguenot. Other than a historic fact I always got
the impression that they were protesting too much. I'm quite comfortable
with the thought that I might have some Koi San, Bushman or Strand Loper
blood in my veins, hope you are to.
I think it is very unlikely that any of the old families are "pure", even
the first Apartheid prime minister DF Malan's wife had a "sallow"
complexion that raised a lot of comment at the time. We could probably
trace a common ancestor among the Koi! :-)
>It's one of those things about a community started from a small core
>group that on other genealogy groups, people are pleased to find a
>single connection. On ZAF groups, people count the connections.
>
>>>Get thee to a library - they're the standard collections of
>>>afrikaaner BMDs.
By a strange coincidence my son married a French "Huguenot" who introduced
herself to me as North African when we first met. Her parents were
stationed in Morocco at the time. I think she was testing me :-)
>Ah..... The Genealogical Society probably has a lookup service...
>The books are in the Hague's Genealogy Centre but I don't go very
>often as it requires a day off work.
>
>> It's spring, the rains have started and the lawn, garden and roses
>> are calling :-)
Yep the summer rains have started with a vengeance, must be global warming
or something... just finished mowing the "West Lawn", the north, east and
south lawns will have to wait...
>>I AM going to see what I can find on the Huguenots
>> though.
>
>Tee hee!
Yes, damn you... BTW if you do ever want to visit old sites you have an
open invitation to stay here or if not too far (300 miles) from Jo'burg, I
would be able to take some photos for you.
Scott.
Lesley Robertson
>
> Who would have thunk it? My Gran had a "sallow" complexion which we
> were
> told was because she was Huguenot. Other than a historic fact I
> always got
> the impression that they were protesting too much. I'm quite
> comfortable
> with the thought that I might have some Koi San, Bushman or Strand
> Loper
> blood in my veins, hope you are to.
Like many others, I have Koi ancestry from Eva Krotoa's marriage to
Peter van Meerhof. Plus assorted freed slaves from Indonesia, Ceylon
and India. As far as I know, the only ancestry I DON'T have in
English.
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
Oh wow, I really did lol, complete with funny looks from the wife.
I'm going to have to look more deeply into my Huguenots, maybe I'll find
some Malay...
Lesley Robertson
>
> I'm going to have to look more deeply into my Huguenots, maybe I'll find
> some Malay...
It's not so much the Huguenots - being refugees, they tended to turn up
complete with wives and children. It was the VOC people (like Peter van
Meerhof) and seamen who were left behind in the sanitorium and ended up
staying. The Cape Colony was a resupply centre for ships (one of my lot ran
the market gardens). They brought in slaves from all over the VOC territory,
and many were freed for various reasons. I actually descend from someone who
was owned by a former slave! There were very few European women at the Cape,
although the VOC did send a couple of shiploads of girls from the orphanages
of Amsterdam and Rotterdam, so many married former slaves.
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
Sorry, I was being sloppy, the Huguenots like the 1820 settlers were mainly
families. The miscegenation started with the earliest mainly male settlers.
Lesley Robertson
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:48:28 +0100, "Lesley Robertson"
>
> mainly
> families. The miscegenation started with the earliest mainly male
> settlers.
That's not a term I'd use.
That's my ancestors you're talking about.
Lesley Robertson
Scotty
:-) Well, what word would you use?
