Re: Why Were We Created?
Anonymous Remailer
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, amisb65 <ami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>What you are about to read might sound unusual but it could be very
>enlightened
>God (Allah) said in the Holy Quran :
>... I only created jinn and man to worship Me. (Surat adh-Dhariyat: 56)
>"Why does Allah want us to worship Him?"
>Now if we are to look initially into revelation, to determine why was
>man created, there is a deeper question that we should be asking
>before that: "Why did God create?". This before we even get to man
>because man is not the greatest act of creation. Allah says:
>"The creation of the Heavens and the Earth is indeed greater then the
>creation of mankind; yet, most of mankind know not." [Surah Ghafir,
>verse 57]
>Man is not the greatest act of creation, this universe is far more
>complex and far more magnificent than man. So the issue of creation
>should then go to, "Why did God create?", as opposed to simply, "Why
>create man?".
>Human beings don't really create, they manipulate, because they can
>only "create" what already exists. When we make a chair or a table, we
>didn't create the wood, we had to take it from a tree, we didn't
>create the ****l, which makes the screws etc, we had to melt down
>rocks and take the ****l out. So we are not creating from nothing. We
>are manipulating things which Allah has already created in to
>different shapes and forms which are useful to us. We call it
>"creation" but the real act of creation, is creation from nothing, and
>this is unique to Allah alone.
>There is another aspect, besides the fact that the creation exists
>because Allah is the creator. We can also see from what prophet
>Mohammad pbuh has informed us, that in the creation there is
>manifestation of Allah's attributes of mercy, forgiveness, kindness
>etc etc. Allah created man in paradise, they disobeyed Allah, but
>Allah had taught them how to repent, how to turn back to him and seek
>his forgiveness, then he would forgive them. Having done that, they
>were forgiven, Adam became the first prophet, and mankind was absolved
>of that sin. The story of Adam and Eve is the story of human
>existence. Human beings are given a consciousness of Allah. When Allah
>created all human beings, as he states in the Qur'an, he took from
>Adam (Adam) all of his descendents, and made them all bear witness
>that Allah is their Lord. So we are all born with that consciousness.
>He has also given us a consciousness of what is right and what is
>wrong.
>we were created in a means or a way in which Allah has chosen to
>manifest his attributes of creation, mercy, grace etc and he could
>have chosen another one. But relative to us as human beings, we know
>that our purpose is to worship Allah. Allah does not need our worship,
>a Allah didn't need to create. When he created us to worship him, he
>didn't create us, out of a need for our worship, because Allah has no
>needs. In a famous hadith qudsi in which Allah says;
>If all of you, jinn and mankind, were to worship like the most
>righteous amongst you, it would not increase the dominion of Allah in
>any way shape or form. And if all of us, jinn and mankind ...
>Therefore when we look for the purpose of worship, we have to look
>into man. Allah created us to worship him, because we need to worship
>him. It is something he has given us as a means of benefiting
>ourselves. We are the ones who benefit from it. Worship has been
>established, fundamentally for the growth, the spiritual growth of
>man. This growth takes place through the remembrance of Allah. When
>you look at all the different aspects of worship, you will see the
>core of it is focused on the remembrance of Allah.
>"Establish the prayer for My remembrance."
>Allah has said that he has created us to test us, to see which of us
>is best in deeds. He is not testing us to know, in the sense that he
>doesn't already know, but this world is a test for us in order again
>that we can grow spiritually.
>We cannot develop this spiritual characteristic of generosity unless
>some of us have more then others and then we are required to give of
>the wealth we have. When we give, we grow. Similarly, if we were not
>in a position where others had more then us then we wouldn't have the
>ability to develop the higher spiritual quality of *******ment,
>patience, satisfaction in what Allah has given us.
>So it is all there in order to bring out the higher spiritual
>qualities, which enable us to attain the state, which makes us
>suitable and eligible to return to paradise. The paradise from which
>we were created, we were created in paradise and for paradise. Through
>our choices we have left, in this life, a field of testing, where we
>can grow to a state where we deserve paradise.
>The purpose of this life is the worship of Allah, this life is a test.
>A test for us, will we worship Allah, or will we forget Him. This is
>where our focus has to begin.
>For more information about Islam / www.imanway1.com
> http://www.imanway.com/english/images/rsgallery/original/1417447.jpg
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Welcome to the "sci.astro.amateur" astronomy group Islamist brother!
These are good groups to post to. I have forwarded your interesting
astronomy-related scientific message to other similar Muslim groups
in the unmoderated sci.* Theist newsgroup hierarchy. Theists belong
here. Please tell everyone you know to participate in these groups.
I have sent a CC of this reply to <Dawaa...@gmail.com>, per your
request. Please tell every Muslim and other Theist you know to join
the sci.* newsgroups and talk about the Holy Qur'an and praisworthy
Prophet Muhammed on these and all other Muslim science groups. This
is a *great* place to talk about Theist sciences, Muslim, Xian, etc.
Everybody here welcomes you. Please let all Muslims know that these
_public_ discussion groups belong to them, too, as well as to Xians.
There are some Atheist heathens who post here, but just ignore them
(these groups would be a lot more interesting if more Theists would
post to them. So far, it's been mostly bigoted Atheistic numbskulls).
Let's start by discussing how many stars brighter than magnitude ~5
have Arabic names? I know plenty of them do. Wonder what the actual
percentage is? And look at the overwhelming popularity of the Greek
Lots, better known to astronomers today as Arabic Parts? These are
important to Theist astronomers today, and have been for millennia.
Here is a text list for almost 1000 J2000 stars archived on Google:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1S7H7HRY376...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OHU57L4X3763...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
There are a lot of Arabic names in there. My favorite is al-debaran.
Reply To Group,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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Ken S. Tucker
On Apr 8, 5:24 pm, mixmas...@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de (Anonymous
Remailer) wrote:
> CC: Dawaa2is...@gmail.com
> I have sent a CC of this reply to <Dawaa2is...@gmail.com>, per your
> request. Please tell every Muslim and other Theist you know to join
> the sci.* newsgroups and talk about the Holy Qur'an and praisworthy
> Prophet Muhammed on these and all other Muslim science groups. This
> is a *great* place to talk about Theist sciences, Muslim, Xian, etc.
>
> Everybody here welcomes you. Please let all Muslims know that these
> _public_ discussion groups belong to them, too, as well as to Xians.
> There are some Atheist heathens who post here, but just ignore them
> (these groups would be a lot more interesting if more Theists would
> post to them. So far, it's been mostly bigoted Atheistic numbskulls).
>
> Let's start by discussing how many stars brighter than magnitude ~5
> have Arabic names? I know plenty of them do. Wonder what the actual
> percentage is? And look at the overwhelming popularity of the Greek
> Lots, better known to astronomers today as Arabic Parts? These are
> important to Theist astronomers today, and have been for millennia.
> Here is a text list for almost 1000 J2000 stars archived on Google:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1S7H7HRY37633.235474...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=OHU57L4X37633.2354282...@Nyarlatheotep-frog.org
>
> There are a lot of Arabic names in there. My favorite is al-debaran.
>
> Reply To Group,
> Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
Bill Kelly
"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
news:dc3787ab-1c7f-4df7...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
of atheists for those who follow Jesus Christ. But since you call those of
Islam your brother, I don't see you as counting yourself as a Christian. But
anyway, if you do them the favor of completing their name, you can do so for
Christians.
In Jesus Name,
Bill Kelly.
Bob T.
wrote:
> "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in messagenews:dc3787ab-1c7f-4df7...@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Out of that steaming pile of horsecrap all you could find to complain
about was the spelling? Sheesh.
- Bob T.
> In Jesus Name,
> Bill Kelly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bill Kelly
"Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
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- Bob T.
Excuse me, Bob, why do say such nonsense? Plus, this was a personal request
to Daniel, and a valid one. I had always assumed he considered himself a
Christian. And as naive as that may seem, I thought it interesting that He
seemed to be either a Muslim Himself, or one of those who believe that it
is O. K to believe anything, as long as you believe in God.
But perhaps you are the gullible one, assuming that anyone who has
something to say pertaining to God, must be speaking rubbish. Or perhaps you
are are associating me with what Mr. Min says. I am not a supporter of his,
or the Muslim person who wrote here. I was only making a comment about his
etiquette, even though it speaks also to everyone who makes the same
mistake. Hopefully accuracy and politeness are not dead to you.
We all need a little jolt to wake us up, and prod us along once in a
while. But in this increasingly anti Christian, and often anti Semitic
atmosphere, it is hard for many to receive from a Christian. After all,
we're those hypocrical people whom you hate so much.
Yet Jesus said it well, that they hate you (His disciples), because they
hate Me.
But Goodness and politeness aren't dead, and I hope that some of those who
read this can see it in the spirit that it was written, meant to edify, not
to stir up debate.
In Jesus Name,
Bill.
Bob T.
Well, the post was a steaming pile of horsecrap, so my description was
only accurate. Min was suggesting that Muslims start posting their
religious notions to sci.* newsgroups - a spectactularly inappropriate
place!
> But perhaps you are the gullible one, assuming that anyone who has
> something to say pertaining to God, must be speaking rubbish.
I say that anyone who asks other people to write "Christian" instead
of "Xtian" on Usenet needs to find more important concerns for
himself.
- Bob T.
> Or perhaps you
> are are associating me with what Mr. Min says. I am not a supporter of his,
> or the Muslim person who wrote here. I was only making a comment about his
> etiquette, even though it speaks also to everyone who makes the same
> mistake. Hopefully accuracy and politeness are not dead to you.
> We all need a little jolt to wake us up, and prod us along once in a
> while. But in this increasingly anti Christian, and often anti Semitic
> atmosphere, it is hard for many to receive from a Christian. After all,
> we're those hypocrical people whom you hate so much.
> Yet Jesus said it well, that they hate you (His disciples), because they
> hate Me.
> But Goodness and politeness aren't dead, and I hope that some of those who
> read this can see it in the spirit that it was written, meant to edify, not
> to stir up debate.
> In Jesus Name,
> Bill.- Hide quoted text -
Bill Kelly
"Bill Kelly" <williame...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> saw what I thought was someone calling my small complaint a pile of horse
> manure. I think I need a new corrective lens prescription. But anyway,
> sorry for the misunderstanding. When I reread it, I felt bad about it. But
> you are right, it is B. S.. Not because it is an attempt tp put things in
> a spiritual context, but because it was such a bad attempt at it. A failed
> attempt from the start in my own poinion, because of relying on the Koran
> as it's source.
Again I apologize for my mistake. I jumped the gun, so to speak,
misreading it, and taking it as one of those weird attacks, when you were
actually making an interesting point. But the truth is, I didn't want to
speak to all that nonsense. I just thought a little critisism of his mistake
might reveal a little about the nature of his more serious errors.
Sincerely,
Bill Kelly.
Bill Kelly
"Anonymous Remailer" <mixm...@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de> wrote in
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Did you know that all those who either are false prophets, or follow
after them, including such as Mohammed, will burn in the lake of fire
forever, and ever,...and ever.., without end?
buck2thrice
>
> This is directed to you specifically, Daniel Joseph Min.
> Did you know that all those who either are false prophets, or follow
> after them, including such as Mohammed, will burn in the lake of fire
> forever, and ever,...and ever.., without end?
How appropriate from a loving god!!
BillyPIg
"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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> To use paypal.
>
Crazy Nomad
Michelle Malkin
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> buck2thrice wrote:
>> Bill Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> This is directed to you specifically, Daniel Joseph Min.
>>> Did you know that all those who either are false prophets, or follow
>>> after them, including such as Mohammed, will burn in the lake of fire
>>> forever, and ever,...and ever.., without end?
>>
>> How appropriate from a loving god!!
>
> Science predicts it.
Cite, please, or are you like most theists who
make statements and then refuse to back
them up?
Why do you keep switching the newsgroups you
crosspost to? Are you a troll?