Comprehensiveness of Worship in Islam
David Williams
-> knowledge.
I curse you to spend the rest of your miserable existence in Las
Vegas, where everything you hold dear is treated with utter contempt.
May the tingling bells of a million slot machines deafen you, the
smoke-laden atmospheres of the casinos choke you, the flashes of
cameras blind you, and the disgusting water poison you.
dow (recently returned from Vegas, which didn't appeal to me, either)
Ken S. Tucker
On Nov 28, 9:44 pm, david.willi...@bayman.org (David Williams) wrote:
> -> I send you today a good article. It could be new and adds to your
> -> knowledge.
>
> I curse you to spend the rest of your miserable existence in Las
> Vegas, where everything you hold dear is treated with utter contempt.
We had a lot of good times in Vegas and so have many
of our friends. I certainly understand your contempt for
muslimes, given the complicity they had in the attacks
in Bombay, especially murdering Dr. Moss, but please,
be sane and DO NOT compare that to Vegas.
> May the tingling bells of a million slot machines deafen you, the
> smoke-laden atmospheres of the casinos choke you, the flashes of
> cameras blind you, and the disgusting water poison you.
Well the average canuckistani peasant wouldn't know
what Vegas is about, it's for upscale intelligent adults,
so that certainly will exclude you.
> dow (recently returned from Vegas, which didn't appeal to me, either)
Post your bitch-fest to Alt.Whinny.Canucks, with the
rest of the idiot canucks who have an average IQ of 90,
(80 if you're from Taranto).
Ken
Ralph
I support any curse Dave can imagine for idiotic, persistant religious
propaganda posted to an astronomy group.
I kind of like the idea of any holier-than-thou group being sent to Vegas,
or if they don't like the 'States, maybe Alberta.
The Canadian education system has taken quite a decline from the past few
governments, but I'm fairly sure it still beats out the majority of
self-centered bigots I've met from south of the border. I look forward to
hearing what Steven Hawking says on his visit.
Vegas? is definately for upscale adults that know nothing of probability
and statistics, and flock to flashing lights, waste, and 40 year old
fantasies.
Informed or intelligent? I think not.
Dave just went up two notches.
"Ken S. Tucker" <dyna...@vianet.on.ca> wrote in message
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David Williams
So what else is new?
-> We had a lot of good times in Vegas and so have many
-> of our friends. I certainly understand your contempt for
-> muslimes, given the complicity they had in the attacks
-> in Bombay, especially murdering Dr. Moss, but please,
-> be sane and DO NOT compare that to Vegas.
What you and your friends found pleasurable would undoubtedly be
infernal hell to devout Muslims. Sending them to Vegas would be an apt
curse.
However, I have to say that I have lived next door to a Muslim family
for more than 20 years, and am happy to have them as neighbours. They
are friendly and as reasonable as any theists can be. Not all Muslims
are tarred with the brush of fanaticism. We should remember that.
dow
Ken S. Tucker
On Nov 30, 8:48 am, "Ralph" <aj...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> Oh, I don't know.
> I support any curse Dave can imagine for idiotic, persistant religious
> propaganda posted to an astronomy group.
> I kind of like the idea of any holier-than-thou group being sent to Vegas,
> or if they don't like the 'States, maybe Alberta.
> The Canadian education system has taken quite a decline from the past few
> governments, but I'm fairly sure it still beats out the majority of
> self-centered bigots I've met from south of the border. I look forward to
> hearing what Steven Hawking says on his visit.
Yeah, I sure hope Steven enjoys himself.
> Vegas? is definately for upscale adults that know nothing of probability
> and statistics, and flock to flashing lights, waste, and 40 year old
> fantasies.
> Informed or intelligent? I think not.
> Dave just went up two notches.
I think you and Dave are stereotyping Vegas.
You have lot's of *freedom* on how to spend money,
what more can you ask for?
Ken
David Williams
-> > and statistics, and flock to flashing lights, waste, and 40 year old
-> > fantasies.
-> > Informed or intelligent? I think not.
On the other hand, I know someone who is convinced that the slot
machines are rigged so that the simple laws of probability do not
always apply. She says they are set so they will allow a new player to
win for a short time, until he gets fixated by the machine. Then the
thing switches to a different mode, and the player loses. So the trick
is to play each machine for only a few minutes, then switch to another
one. This, she says, will let you win, at least most of the time.
I suppose it's not entirely impossible....
dow
Ralph
Have any numbers been recorded?
From my limited second-hand knowledge, the machines are "set" to a rigorous
statistical gain for the house.
That gain seems very small when you read it, but the variations in the trend
allow for modest gains and losses,
while driving the numbers very methodically.
Wow- that sounds remarkably like the 'global warming' debate. I wonder how
I could use that?
And now for something completely different...
I hear Dr. Hawking is going to set up an office with the Perimeter
Institute.
I hope to hear more from him and about his work than I have in the past.
I had wondered what was up when he resigned the Lucasian (sp?) chair.
"David Williams" <david.w...@bayman.org> wrote in message
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Ralph
>> hearing what Steven Hawking says on his visit.
>
> Yeah, I sure hope Steven enjoys himself.
>
will be a change for him,
and he'll continue to amaze, educate, and go his own way, in his own
fashion. I'm sure he enjoys himself, and from what I've heard and read,
he likes to take chances as well.
I can only believe this was in his plan, and not a sudden whim.
Dr. Hawking is not known for poor planning.
He's been proved wrong on points, but only after many years, and
occasionally, even by himself.
> I think you and Dave are stereotyping Vegas.
> You have lot's of *freedom* on how to spend money,
> what more can you ask for?
> Ken
>
Of course we're stereo-typing Vegas. That's what it was built for.
No, the freedom on how to spend money in Vegas is determined only by the
cold, calculating numbers
that confine you to spending it in a fashion where the result overwhelming
goes to waste.
As to what more I could ask for, I am completely stunned by the question.
14 or 15 answers come to mind, and none would make you happy.
A number of years back, I finally learned not to ask questions that I was
certain would produce an answer I wouldn't like.
Most of those questions involved starting the question with "why".
The most telling answer came only recently, when I read a story about "how
things got the way they are at the office" and involved monkeys.
My sister goes to Vegas regularly, and enjoys herself with her husband
immensely.
They don't understand my interests, either.
David Williams
-> Have any numbers been recorded?
Not that I know of. I'd be more inclined to believe her theory about
slot machines if she were rich. She isn't, so she can't have been
winning much.
I think it's just a rationalization of gambling, a fictional
justification that makes throwing money into the machines seem like a
reasonable activity, when it really isn't.
dow
Ken S. Tucker
> I look forward to>> hearing what Steven Hawking says on his visit.
>
> > Yeah, I sure hope Steven enjoys himself.
>
> I'm sure Dr. Hawkings acceptance of an office with the Perimeter Institute
> will be a change for him,
> and he'll continue to amaze, educate, and go his own way, in his own
> fashion. I'm sure he enjoys himself, and from what I've heard and read,
> he likes to take chances as well.
> I can only believe this was in his plan, and not a sudden whim.
> Dr. Hawking is not known for poor planning.
> He's been proved wrong on points, but only after many years, and
> occasionally, even by himself.
Steven's ideas are comparatively esoteric, and difficult
to test experimentally, and I being a pragmatic theorist,
we have little overlap, so I confess we really don't know
each other.
> > I think you and Dave are stereotyping Vegas.
>
> > You have lot's of *freedom* on how to spend money,
> > what more can you ask for?
> > Ken
>
> Of course we're stereo-typing Vegas. That's what it was built for.
> No, the freedom on how to spend money in Vegas is determined only by the
> cold, calculating numbers
> that confine you to spending it in a fashion where the result overwhelming
> goes to waste.
>
> As to what more I could ask for, I am completely stunned by the question.
> 14 or 15 answers come to mind, and none would make you happy.
> A number of years back, I finally learned not to ask questions that I was
> certain would produce an answer I wouldn't like.
> Most of those questions involved starting the question with "why".
> The most telling answer came only recently, when I read a story about "how
> things got the way they are at the office" and involved monkeys.
> My sister goes to Vegas regularly, and enjoys herself with her husband
> immensely.
> They don't understand my interests, either.
That's what's great about America, versatility. You may
enjoy Disneyland, Key West (woohoo), Salt Lake City...
Ken
Ralph
The versatility you describe is feigned, catered, and manufactured. I have
little interest in that.
The few places I'd wish to see as a tourist in the United States are under
secure lock and key, to the scientific staff only.
The only interest I'd have in visiting the "tourist traps", is if I'd won a
lottery, and my relatives or friends wanted to go.
I'd likely tag along, to see they'd actually enjoy themselves. I might
admire some of the construction, architecture, or ask for other "weird"
information.
The information I already have of most of these places, second-hand, is
enough for me.
- and if I won the lottery, I would do some travelling. I have several
destinations in that fantasy.
As to Dr. Hawkings research and ideas being esoteric, I disagree.
The frontiers of cosmology and particle physics are being made in our time,
and have only really developed in the last few decades.
As to the difficulty of experimental data, that's being done as well, and in
a more timely fashion than ever before.
Huge constructions like the SNO, (Sudbury Neutrino Observatory - it's
relatively old) LIGO, (to study gravity waves) the VLA, (seen in the movie
Contact) and the VLT, (the Very Large Telescope - ...no-one ever accused
them of imaginative names) have been built to work on these ideas.
I'm consistantly amazed at how little news gets to the public about all the
research that gets done, the construction it involves, and how the limits of
construction get pushed so that we get the benefits not only from the
research, but the whole process that leads to it,
with the miniscule amount of financial backing the government "gifts" out.
'Course, maybe that's why. The government can't take the comparison of
money well spent in the gain of knowledge without an agenda.
I likely shouldn't say that - 'without an agenda'. Science research does
have an agenda; to solve problems like disease, poverty, food production,
construction, and the like. It gets pushed in other directions by the
funding. You gotta do what you gotta do to get paid - a sad state of our
times.
>
> Steven's ideas are comparatively esoteric, and difficult
> to test experimentally, and I being a pragmatic theorist,
> we have little overlap, so I confess we really don't know
> each other.
>
>
Ken S. Tucker
On Dec 2, 1:43 am, "Ralph" <aj...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> Sorry, Ken, you missed my jist again.
> The versatility you describe is feigned, catered, and manufactured. I have
> little interest in that.
> The few places I'd wish to see as a tourist in the United States are under
> secure lock and key, to the scientific staff only.
Well of course, that keeps the hobo's out.
> The only interest I'd have in visiting the "tourist traps", is if I'd won a
> lottery, and my relatives or friends wanted to go.
> I'd likely tag along, to see they'd actually enjoy themselves. I might
> admire some of the construction, architecture, or ask for other "weird"
> information.
> The information I already have of most of these places, second-hand, is
> enough for me.
> - and if I won the lottery, I would do some travelling. I have several
> destinations in that fantasy.
Ok, it's reasonably priced, most are free, so if you're
whinning, go there :-).
> As to Dr. Hawkings research and ideas being esoteric, I disagree.
> The frontiers of cosmology and particle physics are being made in our time,
> and have only really developed in the last few decades.
Not really, he and his ilk sell books to the unwashed
masses, via pop-media....it's Bull Shit, nothing new.
> As to the difficulty of experimental data, that's being done as well, and in
> a more timely fashion than ever before.
> Huge constructions like the SNO, (Sudbury Neutrino Observatory - it's
> relatively old) LIGO, (to study gravity waves) the VLA, (seen in the movie
> Contact) and the VLT, (the Very Large Telescope - ...no-one ever accused
> them of imaginative names) have been built to work on these ideas.
> I'm consistantly amazed at how little news gets to the public about all the
> research that gets done, the construction it involves, and how the limits of
> construction get pushed so that we get the benefits not only from the
> research, but the whole process that leads to it,
> with the miniscule amount of financial backing the government "gifts" out.
I'm ok with the perimeter institute, but govmonks should
get out of the business of theoretical physics, because
they're retarded. It makes all the cows moo together.
> 'Course, maybe that's why. The government can't take the comparison of
> money well spent in the gain of knowledge without an agenda.
> I likely shouldn't say that - 'without an agenda'. Science research does
> have an agenda; to solve problems like disease, poverty, food production,
> construction, and the like. It gets pushed in other directions by the
> funding. You gotta do what you gotta do to get paid - a sad state of our
> times.
Waterloo University was good in the mid-70's but since
then has gone down the tubes, with only immigrant
low quality profs, it's garbage now.
Ralph
Have fun.
Ken S. Tucker
On the contrary I have a great deal of respect for the Perimeter
Institute, and I certainly did NOT "flame" you.
Ken