On Jan 6, 12:17 am, jbriggs444 <
jbriggs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 4, 2:32 pm, Ste <
ste_ro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > For each opposing operation are 2 opposing operands.
>
> > > > > That makes no sense
>
> > > > > > Increasing an operand brings a corresponding decrease in its opposing
> > > > > > operand.
>
> > > > > > or
>
> > > > > > Decreasing an operand brings a corresponding increase in its opposing
> > > > > > operand.
>
> > > > > That makes no sense
>
> > > > > > An operand can never be increased\decreased to the point where itself
> > > > > > or its opposing operand becomes null.
>
> > > > > That makes no sense
>
> > > > > > An operand is never the same as its opposing operand it is always the
> > > > > > complete inverse.
>
> > > > > That makes no sense
>
> > > > > All in all, yours was just another post completely devoid of sense
>
> > > > Then you're aren't very intelligent Inertial. Any fool can see that
> > > > what he is describing is an inverse relationship between two
> > > > quantities, and further stating that while the balance between these
> > > > quantities can grow very large, it can never become such that any
> > > > value is absolutely nothing.
>
> > > You can make sense out of pretty much anything if you squint hard
> > > enough. The question is whether you're just making sense out of whole
> > > cloth or actually distilling it from something that was originally
> > > there.
>
> > Indeed. But if someone's assertions are only partially or vaguely
> > correct, then it shouldn't be too hard to refute it, or re-state the
> > argument in more accurate terms, and that would be far more productive
> > than vindictive rants about posts being "completely devoid of sense".
>
> But the assertion in play (which jdawe's next post raises to the level
> of confirmed truth) is that jdawe's work product has zero sense
> content.
>
> It is easy to refute something that makes an unambiguous and incorrect
> prediction.
>
> It is difficult to refute something that cannot even be deciphered.
>
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>
> > > One problem with your reading of the posting is that it implies that
> > > there's no such thing the square root of four.
>
> > I fail to see how that could be inferred from my post.
>
> Because you didn't define your terms either. You wrote "inverse
> relationship" and I read "inverse proportionality" on the assumption
> that you were smarter than jdawe. You might be. But not by much.
>
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> > > "an operand is never the same as its opposing operand"
>
> > > Apply this assertion to the equation: 4 = x * y.
>
> > > If we take your interpretation of OP's words then he's saying, plain
> > > as day:
>
> > > "if we have a four sided rectangular with an area of four square
> > > inches, the width and height of the window may never be two inches
> > > each".
>
> > I think a better re-statement would be to say that, if by definition a
> > rectangle (as distinct from a square) always has a longer side, then
> > area = longer side * shorter side. Longer side = area / shorter side.
> > Shorter side = area / longer side.
>
> You have a better eye then me if you can read the distinction between
> a rectangle and a sqare into jdawe's posting.
>
> > By this logic, if area is held constant, then an increase in the
> > longer side must necessarily mean a reduction in the shorter side.
>
> Yes! Inverse proportionality.
>
> > At
> > the point at which longer side = shorter side, the ability to
> > distinguish between the sides disappears, and the shape no longer
> > takes the form of a rectangle (and the formula becomes meaningless/
> > useless).
>
> WRONG!
>
> You do not lose the ability to distinguish the sides.
> There is no singularity where the two sides become equal in length.
> The formula continues working just fine with width > height, width =
> height or with height > width.
>
> Your poor choice of parameter names is to blame for the poor behavior
> of the resulting formula.
>
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>
> > So yes, by that logic if area is held constant, then adjacent sides of
> > a rectangle may never be equal.
>
> The reason that the two adacent sides of a rectangle may never be
> equal is _your_ assertion that a square is not a special case of a
> rectangle.
>
> No matter. It's only a question of definition. Use different words
> if you like.
>
> There is a such a thing as a four sided regular polygon with sides of
> length 2 and an area of 4.
>
> > > > - the only point at which one quantity can become zero,
> > > > and the other infinite, is at the point where the weighting platforms
> > > > are vertically separated,
>
> > > So what you're talking about is probably an [un-]equal arm pan
> > > balance.
>
> > Clearly.
>
> If you had written clearly I wouldn't have to guess.
>
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> > > The quantities you want to
> > > talk about are the weights in the respective pans. But you haven't
> > > thought the example through.
>
> > Nor did I pretend to have done so.
>
> > > Two mistakes:
>
> > > 1. You haven't paid attention to what invariant you're trying to
> > > maintain. A equal arm pan balance has two free input variables.
> > > Nothing says that there's ANY required relationship between them.
> > > Normally we try to maintain the invariant: "the pans balance". That's
> > > the bit that enforces a correlation on the two variables.
>
> > The whole purpose of the scale is to express a relationship between
> > two weights.
>
> Write clearly.
>
> The purpose of a scale is to weigh things.
> A balance scale does this by determining which of two weights is
> greater.
>
> > The scale will determine whether the weights are unequal
> > and (to a very limited extent) the degree of inequality.
>
> It will also tell you which of the two is greater. Pay attention to
> the _direction_ the needle moves.
>
> > Obviously if
> > you know absolutely what weight is on one arm of the scale, then you
> > can determine absolutely what is on the other,
>
> Yes. This is the normal mode of operation.
>
> > and the inverse
> > relationship is used only to determine the arm to which/from which
> > weight should be added/removed.
>
> "Inverse relationship" doesn't tell you this. It doesn't tell you
> which side to add weight to. We can read into the term that there
> _is_ a side that will get you closer. But NOBODY has yet defined the
> term "inverse relationship".
>
>
>
> > > I'm inclined to forgive this. It's implicit in the way we
> > > normally use a pan balance.
>
> > > 2. For such a balance to balance it follows that the quantities in
> > > the pans are directly proportional, not inversely proportional.
>
> > > Ooops!
>
> > But a scale with 10 kilos on each arm cannot distinguish from a scale
> > with 1 kilo on each arm. Indeed, by the scale's measure, 10 kilos on
> > each arm is *equivalent* to 1 kilo on each arm. But that's because the
> > scale is designed to measure only relative weight - it performs its
> > function by reliance on the inverse relationship between the weight
> > placed on each side.
>
> Brilliant. I shall alert the Nobel prize team at once. As I
> understand your assertion now, it is that you can't put the reference
> mass and the test mass on the same side of a balance. [Actually most
> commercial scales normally operate in just such a configuration.
> Maybe that call to the Nobel committee is premature]
>
> Let me try to read as much sense as I can into your position:
>
> "In any otherwise isolated system where an equilibrium state is
> maintained in the face of two relevant inputs, those inputs must be
> (in some sense) equal and opposite".
>
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There is no such thing as a rectangle or square.
For shape your opposing operands are:
Linear
or
Circular
Therefore,
an increase in linear shape brings about a corresponding decrease in
circular shape of the object.
or
an increase in circular shape brings about a corresponding decrease in
linear shape of the object.
-Josh.
PS:
If you base your physics on an arbitrary force universe rather than a
logical opposing universe I would respectfully advise you to seek
employment in a different field because you will waste everyones time
and money proposing ludicrous crap like I read in a magazine the other
day.
Some guy proposed a spaceship powered by dark matter as a way of
travel beyond our solar system. Of course he's reasoning for this was
that dark matter was more abundant in the universe than 'normal'
matter infact by up to 600%. Well, if it's so abundant then why hasn't
a single trace of this new physical thing 'dark matter' been found?
Surely if there is up to 600% more of this stuff than regular matter
then there would be atleast one unit of the stuff in our solar system.
Of course if you use your logical brain and realise that it is a
logically created opposing universe rather than an illogical arbritary
one then you wouldn't even bother wasting your time proposing a third
physical thing in the first place let alone searching for it.