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tkh...@gmail.com

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Jul 22, 2008, 11:30:15 AM7/22/08
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Hi:
we need to build a lab where to raise the mice for experiment.
did anyone know the standard for floor vibration on this lab.
I know the ISO 2631 mention the vibration criteria for office ,
residential site .
and Gordon give the standards for VC-A,VC-B...
Did anyone know the vibration criteria for the Lab where to raise
mice for experiment.

thanks in advance

Edward

Savant

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Jul 22, 2008, 2:19:02 PM7/22/08
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I don't know that any such standard exists. If all you're doing is
raising mice, why can't the office / residence criteria be used? (Mice
raise their own young in offices and residences all the time!)

If, for whatever reason, you need more laboratory-grade criteria,
check out the US Army Technical Manual, TM 5-805-4. (Googling it
should work.) Specifically, Chapter 2, including Figures 2-3 through
2-5. No mention of mice (or any other lab animal), but it will give
you an idea of the range of criteria for human perceptibility,
building damage, and sensitive microscopy equipment. If ISO office /
residence standards cannot work, something between human
perceptibility and electron microscopes should. (IMO) You can develop
your own criteria from there.

Savant

GregS

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Jul 22, 2008, 3:01:26 PM7/22/08
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In article <6bea5b52-8d0d-46e6...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Savant <love...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Jul 22, 10:30=A0am, tkh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi:
>> we need to build a lab where to raise the mice for experiment.
>> did anyone know the standard for floor vibration on this lab.
>> I know the ISO 2631 mention the vibration criteria for =A0office ,

>> residential site .
>> and Gordon give the standards for VC-A,VC-B...
>> Did anyone know the vibration criteria for the =A0Lab where to raise

>> mice for experiment.
>>
>> thanks in advance
>>
>> Edward
>
>I don't know that any such standard exists. If all you're doing is
>raising mice, why can't the office / residence criteria be used? (Mice
>raise their own young in offices and residences all the time!)
>
>If, for whatever reason, you need more laboratory-grade criteria,
>check out the US Army Technical Manual, TM 5-805-4. (Googling it
>should work.) Specifically, Chapter 2, including Figures 2-3 through
>2-5. No mention of mice (or any other lab animal), but it will give
>you an idea of the range of criteria for human perceptibility,
>building damage, and sensitive microscopy equipment. If ISO office /
>residence standards cannot work, something between human
>perceptibility and electron microscopes should. (IMO) You can develop
>your own criteria from there.
>

I would think they get used to whatever noise there is but would likely
try to venture into more quiet zones. The type of experiment would
also make a difference. I never saw anything being done with vibration
in rat rooms, just on the experiment table itself.

greg

Angelo Campanella

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Jul 31, 2008, 8:17:21 PM7/31/08
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Savant wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:30 am, tkh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>Hi:
>>we need to build a lab where to raise the mice for experiment.
>>did anyone know the standard for floor vibration on this lab.
>>I know the ISO 2631 mention the vibration criteria for office ,
>>residential site .
>>and Gordon give the standards for VC-A,VC-B...
>>Did anyone know the vibration criteria for the Lab where to raise
>>mice for experiment.

Way, way back in the past (1950-55), mice were raised at the Penn State
Acoustics Laboratory for experiements on annoyance of sound (we found
that their adrenal glands enlarged when they were exposed to 90 dB sound
for hours each day). But that's not your question.

I think that the only way you will find whether the daily noise and
vibration environment you present to the mice is of perturbing nature is
to raise a few mice in each of several environments, noting the noise
and vibration in each as well as the general heath of the resuting
offsprings. As a fist approximation, the human residential comfort
criteria should be used as a starting point. Regarding vibration, I
suspect that their threshold will be less than that for humans by
perhaps 10 dB. But that's the very parameter you need to evaluate by the
above experiment.

Angelo Campane;;a

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