OT: Hidden eruption
Nightcrawler
BradGuth
> Certainly explains much of the seismic activity in the region, lately.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yd2w5gd
There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at
least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting
up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec
of solids and liquids.
Ocean cloaked eruptions/volcanic solids and their volumes of deep
geological groundwater add upwards of 1e4 m3/sec, of extremely hot
substances (deep ocean lava and associated fluid-gasses <1500C).
Natural and artificial erosions plus meteorites and thermal expansion
contribute upwards of 0.5e4 m3/sec.
1.5e4 * 3.6e3 * 24 = 1.296e9 m3/day
Add 1.1 km3/day of ice melt = 2.296e9 m3/day of solids and liquids.
This amounts to roughly 2 mm ocean rise/year as is. Compound and
accelerate this process makes it easy enough to conservatively
envision an average ocean rise of 3 mm/year for the remainder of this
century.
Currently we’re only thawing our glacial slow-ice at a fairly modest
km3/day, and supposedly we got at least 33e6 km3 of slow-ice to go.
By some other measurement we've got <36e6 km3 to work with.
Hypertextbook; remaining slow-ice as of 2003: 33e6 km3
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/HannaBerenblit.shtml
Possibly it's <36e6 km3 if every cubic meter of slow-ice is accounted
for.
I seem to recall reading reports and perhaps having posted a link to
various research of the current level or rate of glacial loss at 917e6
tonnes per day, which is roughly 1 km3/day, and this estimate could
easily be a conservative number.
My initial swag of 2.2 km3/day = 803 km3/year as the average for the
remainder of this century = 0.25 meter rise, is not anywhere near the
2 meter rise as touted by some AGW extremist.
It's actually more complex, but good enough swag for my rough
conservative ballpark, because I also include ocean displacement via
erosion and thermal expansion factors. (floating ice that thaws only
contributes <10% of it's volume, but it all adds up and allows
normally ice covered oceans to warm even further)
It’s not exactly rocket science, as whenever ocean and atmospheric
average temperatures rise, exactly as those tidal forces from holding
onto our moon(Selene) and of course always those from the sun
contribute the vast bulk of what’s thawing us out, means that our
glacial slow-ice melts. It’s just thawing a little faster with our
help of polluting (global dimming) and burning up most everything of
carbon and fossil in sight. (what could possibly go wrong?)
The all-inclusive process of continually launching tonnes into orbit
and otherwise as planetary/moon probes isn’t exactly pollution free or
having not contributed heat to our environment, but then there’s
always a thermodynamic and environmental price to pay, whereas
everything we do as the dominate species adds heat and pollution no
matters what. What we need to do is conserve what little we have,
taking advantage of nature’s seasonal cold spots in order to create
replacement glacial slow-ice, and otherwise we need to cut our
individual all-inclusive carbon footprints by 90% (much easier said
than done).
~ BG
Hagar
"BradGuth" <brad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 19, 8:39 pm, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
> Certainly explains much of the seismic activity in the region, lately.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yd2w5gd
There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at
least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting
up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec
of solids and liquids.
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The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned
the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong,
accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and
power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for
15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had
static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses
as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining
flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were
a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the
atmosphere.
First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your
insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal.
Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching
about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
BradGuth
> "BradGuth" <bradg...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cd4e6c7f-c523-4f84...@k19g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 19, 8:39 pm, Nightcrawler <Dirtyde...@dirtcheap.net> wrote:
>
> > Certainly explains much of the seismic activity in the region, lately.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/yd2w5gd
>
> There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at
> least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting
> up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec
> of solids and liquids.
>
> ************************************
> The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned
> the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong,
> accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
What took you up until 6 months ago in order to realize how tidal
interactive our planet is, with regard to the 2e20 N/sec of Newtonian
binding force that our moon represents?
>
> The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and
> power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for
> 15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had
> static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses
> as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining
> flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were
> a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the
> atmosphere.
I hope you're not suggesting that previous ice-ages somehow meant that
such volcanic activity wasn't nearly as active on any 100k year cycle
basis, and those of 41k year cycles before, and 25k before that.
I agree that 75<90% of our atmospheric, surface and ocean environments
are those as modified from within, plus always a little contributed
from our unstable sun and the binary weird elliptical orbit we're
stuck with. However, there's never going to be another significant
ice-age with the kinds of human contributed help of global polluting,
dimming plus extra heating and otherwise that of holding onto our moon
(Selene) at 2e20 N/sec, as well as we should start counting on
whatever Sirius has to offer.
>
> First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your
> insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal.
> Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching
> about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
If we'd started out with a thorium based nuclear power industry, there
would not have been a problem to begin with, nor any kind of spendy or
insurmountable consequence ever since or into the future. It's the
ZNRs, Skull and Bones and those pesky Rothschilds of Big Energy that
screwed everything up for the past couple of centuries, and apparently
they isn't done with screwing us yet.
The continuing lack of proper public education and our mainstream
public media spewed hype of disinformation is clearly why there are
fears and doubts about many things. Are you suggesting that we should
start trusting our government and their faith-based puppet masters, as
to be telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Since when has our government been so trustworthy and capable of
policing their own kind?
~ BG
Hagar
You're talking through your ass once again. Perhaps you care to explain
how the French manage to get 80% of their power from Nuclear Plants,
all without any incident severe enough to send you tree-huggers
a-scrambling??
BradGuth
I didn't say that conventional nuclear power plants were not doable.
I'm actually all for the plutonium powered home, car, yacht and
whatever else we can think of.
However, try to think of the all-inclusive (birth-to-grave) picture
here, and not just about covering your mindset butt.
~ BG