There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec of solids and liquids.
Ocean cloaked eruptions/volcanic solids and their volumes of deep geological groundwater add upwards of 1e4 m3/sec, of extremely hot substances (deep ocean lava and associated fluid-gasses <1500C).
Natural and artificial erosions plus meteorites and thermal expansion contribute upwards of 0.5e4 m3/sec.
1.5e4 * 3.6e3 * 24 = 1.296e9 m3/day
Add 1.1 km3/day of ice melt = 2.296e9 m3/day of solids and liquids.
This amounts to roughly 2 mm ocean rise/year as is. Compound and accelerate this process makes it easy enough to conservatively envision an average ocean rise of 3 mm/year for the remainder of this century.
Currently we’re only thawing our glacial slow-ice at a fairly modest km3/day, and supposedly we got at least 33e6 km3 of slow-ice to go. By some other measurement we've got <36e6 km3 to work with.
I seem to recall reading reports and perhaps having posted a link to various research of the current level or rate of glacial loss at 917e6 tonnes per day, which is roughly 1 km3/day, and this estimate could easily be a conservative number.
My initial swag of 2.2 km3/day = 803 km3/year as the average for the remainder of this century = 0.25 meter rise, is not anywhere near the 2 meter rise as touted by some AGW extremist.
It's actually more complex, but good enough swag for my rough conservative ballpark, because I also include ocean displacement via erosion and thermal expansion factors. (floating ice that thaws only contributes <10% of it's volume, but it all adds up and allows normally ice covered oceans to warm even further)
It’s not exactly rocket science, as whenever ocean and atmospheric average temperatures rise, exactly as those tidal forces from holding onto our moon(Selene) and of course always those from the sun contribute the vast bulk of what’s thawing us out, means that our glacial slow-ice melts. It’s just thawing a little faster with our help of polluting (global dimming) and burning up most everything of carbon and fossil in sight. (what could possibly go wrong?)
The all-inclusive process of continually launching tonnes into orbit and otherwise as planetary/moon probes isn’t exactly pollution free or having not contributed heat to our environment, but then there’s always a thermodynamic and environmental price to pay, whereas everything we do as the dominate species adds heat and pollution no matters what. What we need to do is conserve what little we have, taking advantage of nature’s seasonal cold spots in order to create replacement glacial slow-ice, and otherwise we need to cut our individual all-inclusive carbon footprints by 90% (much easier said than done).
There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec of solids and liquids.
************************************ The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong, accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for 15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the atmosphere. First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal. Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
> There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at > least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting > up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec > of solids and liquids.
> ************************************ > The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned > the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong, > accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
What took you up until 6 months ago in order to realize how tidal interactive our planet is, with regard to the 2e20 N/sec of Newtonian binding force that our moon represents?
> The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and > power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for > 15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had > static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses > as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining > flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were > a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the > atmosphere.
I hope you're not suggesting that previous ice-ages somehow meant that such volcanic activity wasn't nearly as active on any 100k year cycle basis, and those of 41k year cycles before, and 25k before that.
I agree that 75<90% of our atmospheric, surface and ocean environments are those as modified from within, plus always a little contributed from our unstable sun and the binary weird elliptical orbit we're stuck with. However, there's never going to be another significant ice-age with the kinds of human contributed help of global polluting, dimming plus extra heating and otherwise that of holding onto our moon (Selene) at 2e20 N/sec, as well as we should start counting on whatever Sirius has to offer.
> First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your > insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal. > Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching > about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
If we'd started out with a thorium based nuclear power industry, there would not have been a problem to begin with, nor any kind of spendy or insurmountable consequence ever since or into the future. It's the ZNRs, Skull and Bones and those pesky Rothschilds of Big Energy that screwed everything up for the past couple of centuries, and apparently they isn't done with screwing us yet.
The continuing lack of proper public education and our mainstream public media spewed hype of disinformation is clearly why there are fears and doubts about many things. Are you suggesting that we should start trusting our government and their faith-based puppet masters, as to be telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Since when has our government been so trustworthy and capable of policing their own kind?
> There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at > least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting > up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec > of solids and liquids.
> ************************************ > The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned > the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong, > accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
What took you up until 6 months ago in order to realize how tidal interactive our planet is, with regard to the 2e20 N/sec of Newtonian binding force that our moon represents?
> The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and > power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for > 15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had > static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses > as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining > flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were > a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the > atmosphere.
I hope you're not suggesting that previous ice-ages somehow meant that such volcanic activity wasn't nearly as active on any 100k year cycle basis, and those of 41k year cycles before, and 25k before that.
I agree that 75<90% of our atmospheric, surface and ocean environments are those as modified from within, plus always a little contributed from our unstable sun and the binary weird elliptical orbit we're stuck with. However, there's never going to be another significant ice-age with the kinds of human contributed help of global polluting, dimming plus extra heating and otherwise that of holding onto our moon (Selene) at 2e20 N/sec, as well as we should start counting on whatever Sirius has to offer.
> First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your > insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal. > Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching > about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
If we'd started out with a thorium based nuclear power industry, there would not have been a problem to begin with, nor any kind of spendy or insurmountable consequence ever since or into the future. It's the ZNRs, Skull and Bones and those pesky Rothschilds of Big Energy that screwed everything up for the past couple of centuries, and apparently they isn't done with screwing us yet.
You're talking through your ass once again. Perhaps you care to explain how the French manage to get 80% of their power from Nuclear Plants, all without any incident severe enough to send you tree-huggers a-scrambling??
> > There are millions of undersea geothermal vents, and otherwise at > > least a thousand significant volcanic vents that are actively spitting > > up solids that start out at <1500C. We could be talking <1e4 m3/sec > > of solids and liquids.
> > ************************************ > > The first intelligent scribe you've made in a year ... when I mentioned > > the same thing 6 month ago, you were all over me for being wrong, > > accompanied with a trainload of GuthBall irrelevant drivel for disguise.
> What took you up until 6 months ago in order to realize how tidal > interactive our planet is, with regard to the 2e20 N/sec of Newtonian > binding force that our moon represents?
> > The volcanoes together spew 10-fold what all the automobiles and > > power plants put in the air. I did coal-fired power plant startups for > > 15 years, from 1972 to 1987, and every single coal fired plant had > > static precipitators, which removed particulates from the flue gasses > > as well as Limestone Slurry Scrubbers, which cleaned up the remaining > > flue gasses. I couldn't tell you the exact particle count, but they were > > a hell of a lot cleaner than anything China and India put into the > > atmosphere.
> I hope you're not suggesting that previous ice-ages somehow meant that > such volcanic activity wasn't nearly as active on any 100k year cycle > basis, and those of 41k year cycles before, and 25k before that.
> I agree that 75<90% of our atmospheric, surface and ocean environments > are those as modified from within, plus always a little contributed > from our unstable sun and the binary weird elliptical orbit we're > stuck with. However, there's never going to be another significant > ice-age with the kinds of human contributed help of global polluting, > dimming plus extra heating and otherwise that of holding onto our moon > (Selene) at 2e20 N/sec, as well as we should start counting on > whatever Sirius has to offer.
> > First you dumbo tree-huggers killed the Nuclear Industry with your > > insane fear of the "China Syndrome" and encouraged the use of coal. > > Now that switch has been made, you're at it again, bitching > > about the use of coal. You Liberals are all certifiably nutz-o.
> If we'd started out with a thorium based nuclear power industry, there > would not have been a problem to begin with, nor any kind of spendy or > insurmountable consequence ever since or into the future. It's the > ZNRs, Skull and Bones and those pesky Rothschilds of Big Energy that > screwed everything up for the past couple of centuries, and apparently > they isn't done with screwing us yet.
> You're talking through your ass once again. Perhaps you care to explain > how the French manage to get 80% of their power from Nuclear Plants, > all without any incident severe enough to send you tree-huggers > a-scrambling??
I didn't say that conventional nuclear power plants were not doable. I'm actually all for the plutonium powered home, car, yacht and whatever else we can think of.
However, try to think of the all-inclusive (birth-to-grave) picture here, and not just about covering your mindset butt.
