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EMINEM420FOREVER

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Dec 28, 2000, 10:21:50 PM12/28/00
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What was the reason for the development of so many different city-states in
Greece?

Compare and contrast characteristics of Athens and Sparta
Identify characteristics of classical art

Identify characteristics of the Golden Age of Greece

What were the three goals of Pericles?

Who fought in the Peloponnesian War and what was its significance?

Explain ways that ancient Greece influenced Western civilization?

What was Alexander the Great's most enduring achievement?

What are the three styles of Greek columns?

What was Socrates in search of and what was his method?

What do works of art and architecture represent in societies?

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Jim Wayne

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Dec 29, 2000, 12:24:27 AM12/29/00
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Most of this is in any encyclopedia, especially the factual questions,
like who was involved in the Peloponnesian War. It sounds like you
waited till the last minute on this one and have now panicked.

Some of these are opinion questions: I will give you mine, for what
it's worth.

Alexander the Great's most enduring achievement was the vast number of
people he killed. All of them are still dead to this day. His second
most enduring achievement was the creation of several cities, the most
important one being Alexandria, Egypt. These cities still exist.
Virtually nothing else he accomplished remains.

The main characteristics of the Golden Age of Greece were:
1. Slavery
2. Oppression of women
3. Imperialism

Ancient Greece mainly influence western civilization through the vast
number of misperceptions it sparked. People believed, and have taught,
that the Greeks believed in democracy, when in fact no women, no slaves
and no foreign-born residents of the city could vote, leaving the
political control in the hands of about 20% (or less) of the residents.
In most places, this is called an oligarchy, although in Rome it was
called a republic.

People believed, and have taught, about the pure forms of marble Grecian
buildings, most of which were originally painted in bright garish
colors. Most of those fabulous statues were originally painted flesh
tones and adorned with the actual clothing and armor of the person
represented, or clothing and armor made for the statue.

The Greeks were NOT moderate in all thing: read their own writings.
They took that motto because it was what they knew they needed, just as
the Romans constantly called for "gravitas, pietas, dignitas" because
those were the very things most often missing from Roman life.

Sorry, this is a rant.

Jim
--who enjoys studying ancient cultures, but not idolizing them.

Tom

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Dec 29, 2000, 8:06:21 AM12/29/00
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Nice to read some facts rather than the fictional eulogies that the
ancient Greeks usually attract.

[snip]

>The main characteristics of the Golden Age of Greece were:
>1. Slavery
>2. Oppression of women
>3. Imperialism
>

To which I would add genocide, infanticide, rape and pillage.

On the other hand, they valued knowledge and learning as well as
military power.

>Ancient Greece mainly influence western civilization through the vast
>number of misperceptions it sparked. People believed, and have taught,
>that the Greeks believed in democracy, when in fact no women, no slaves
>and no foreign-born residents of the city could vote, leaving the
>political control in the hands of about 20% (or less) of the residents.
>In most places, this is called an oligarchy, although in Rome it was
>called a republic.
>

Whilst happily conceding your point, even an oligarchy was very much
more than other countries at that stage which were usually ruled by a
dynasty or by military force. It took a couple of millennia before
women got the vote and disenfranchised slavery was abolished.

>People believed, and have taught, about the pure forms of marble Grecian
>buildings, most of which were originally painted in bright garish
>colors. Most of those fabulous statues were originally painted flesh
>tones and adorned with the actual clothing and armor of the person
>represented, or clothing and armor made for the statue.
>

Absolutely right! This also was the case with European Christian
cathedrals which are now admired for their wonderful and austere stone
walls and pillars but where traces of the original gaudy paint schemes
can be detected in the cracks. You could see stone anywhere, but paint
and armour were special.

>The Greeks were NOT moderate in all thing: read their own writings.
>They took that motto because it was what they knew they needed, just as
>the Romans constantly called for "gravitas, pietas, dignitas" because
>those were the very things most often missing from Roman life.
>

They were creatures of their age and their culture has to be compared
not with ours but with other states of that era. They did not consider
it odd or in any way reprehensible to invade a country, put its adult
male population to the sword, enslave the women and children and help
themselves to the fruits of conquest. It is sobering to realise that
the British Empire was founded on much the same principles and that
white settlers in America had no hesitation about wiping out Native
Americans on a large scale and importing slaves to work the southern
land. Whilst we look on these things with horror, those who killed and
enslaved considered themselves to be moral, upstanding and Christian
fighters.

>Sorry, this is a rant.

Why not? It's time someone demythologized the Greeks. Their culture
was exceptional only in terms of their age and their government was
democratic only in comparison to absolute monarchy - maybe rather more
in the case of Athens.

Even their value of learning backfired because of the reverence accorded
to their writings. Whilst the Greeks did not exclusively believe that
the earth was the centre of the universe, the writings of Ptolemy set a
dead hand on astronomy for 13 centuries. Galen stultified medicine by
his writings. Empedocles with his "earth, air, fire and water" elements
set chemists on fruitless search for the philosopher's stone and
transmutation. The mathematics of Euclid was, I think, an exception as
was the physics of Archimedes but, in both cases, they were considered
to be complete and people stopped looking for the new and simply studied
the old.

>
>Jim
>--who enjoys studying ancient cultures, but not idolizing them.

I think that a lot of the mythology was created by educators in
Victorian times who were concerned that their textbooks sent the right
moral messages to the sensitive (!) minds of the young. They didn't
just put fig leaves on the paintings and sculpture, they idealized and
eulogized many aspects of history while bending them into moral lessons.

--
[Tom]

Rachael Hughes

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Dec 29, 2000, 9:25:44 AM12/29/00
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I'd really like some help with some homework. I need to punctuate a passage
and nobody will help me! I'm 12 and need to get this done by monday or I am
in trouble!! thankyou!!
This is the passage:

The children’s parents were very upset when they heard that their offspring
had been caught by a neighbor trying to cut off her young dogs tail with a
carving knife it’s a terrible thing to have done heir father what on earth
possessed you to do something so dreadful it’s the sort of thing we expect
of other peoples children but not of our own we want a little brother said
the children and someone told us that little boys are made of snips and
snails and puppy dogs tails we were going to make one their father explained
that this was a saying it wasn’t really true he said that the puppy had to
be taken to the vets to have the cut on its tail treated and he would have
to foot the substantial bill because of this they wouldn’t be getting the
new jumpers from Marks and Spencer’s they had been promised and you’ll have
to lose two weeks pocket money as well he told them you are lucky that you
aren’t older otherwise she would have reported you to the police and you
might well have been taken to court I think it’s likely that the JPs would
take a stern view of children trying to cut off dogs tails it might have
been acceptable in the 1920s but it certainly isn’t in the 90s the children
were very contrite and assured their father it wouldn’t happen again.


Jim Wayne

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Dec 29, 2000, 12:40:00 PM12/29/00
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Very true. In terms of democracies, it is worth noting that some Greek
city states went through a rather short democratic period (for free,
native-born men), but most remained aristocratic oligarchies, tyrannies,
or monarchies. Aristotle himself did not believe democracy to be a good
or lasting form of government.

The capacity of human beings to say one thing and do precisely the
opposite is one of the constants of history.

Jim

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