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Re: Coldest September for 14 years

lpar...@emory.edu (Lloyd) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:45:10 UT

Gee, science says it doesn't, and a blithering idiot says it doesn't.
What a hard choice as to whom to believe.

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

bhanwa...@netscape.net (Bhanwara) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:29:26 UT

What exactly do you hope to prove by quoting
some uninformed deniers? There are a lot of
uninformed people on the AGW side, too,
if that's relevant.
But if you want to discuss the science, quoting
informed deniers would be legitimate. Otherwise,
it is just bad logic. By your logic, you could prove

Re: Coldest September for 14 years

rl3166...@excite.com (Cat_in_awe) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:04:48 UT

z wrote:
Wrong. Consider convection, clouds, rainfall, evaporation. Water vapor
isn't *just* a 'greenhouse gas'.
But they'd be wrong. Again, you goofballs ignore convections, which is by
far the more powerful heat transfer system in the atmosphere.
Only if you believe that CO2 'controls' temperatures, (which of course, it

Re: Coldest September for 14 years

rl3166...@excite.com (Cat_in_awe) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:01:06 UT

AR- wrote:
You still can't explain how your runaway CO2 --> higher temperature --> more
CO2 --> higher temperature loop EVER allows temperatures to decrease again.
CO2 was at 1000ppm and higher in various prehistoric eras but we still had
ice ages behind that. According to your disaster scenarios, as CO2 goes

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

gzuck...@snail-mail.net (z) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:50:39 UT

sure... here's your bedfellows' opinion:
"Global warming may affect some parts of our society negatively but
would likely benefit others. In fact, the current warming trend may be
returning our global climate closer to that prevalent in the Garden of
Eden. Compared to climate changes which have occurred in earth

Re: Another failed International Treaty: Ozone hole grows in 2008

rcopp...@adnc.com (Roger Coppock) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:50:21 UT

"Delusional" is one word.
I might use the word "incoherent." From one
year's report on the ozone hole, to a failure of
treaties, to the League of Nations, to WWII
casualties, is quite a disconnected ramble.

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

gzuck...@snail-mail.net (z) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:17:55 UT

In order to keep their "30 zillion scientists who dispute AGW" thing
intact, then they have to redefine "scientist who believes in AGW" as
Al Gore. If you winnow it down to people who have published in
referreed scientific journals on topics related to climate, on both
sides, they're lost. Of course, then they tell you that the scientists

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

bhanwa...@netscape.net (Bhanwara) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:16:58 UT

I haven't come across many educated liberals or
conservatives who don't believe in evolution.
Have you?
Or did you misread "political affiliation" as
"religious affiliation"?
In any case, the root problem is the same in
both cases. Both "Intelligent Design" and
"Global Warming" folks are identical under

Re: Coldest September for 14 years

wh...@fool.ami (Whata Fool) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:08:56 UT

gee, are you afraid to take one side or the other and discuss it?
Water vapor in the atmosphere does not cause the hottest days,
does that mean anything or can "scientists" ignore facts?
Are you discussing water vapor or water droplets as the result
of more lower troposphere heat?
There isn't any feedback there, if more heat makes more ocean

Re: Coldest September for 14 years

wh...@fool.ami (Whata Fool) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:49:57 UT

Not only that, the CO2 concentration was at the lowest for the
last 6,000 years before 1850, yet the temperature has been at or near
the present optimum maximum for at least 5,000 years.
The one thing that can cause snowballing cooling is snow cover,
that is what caused the extreme cold spell over the Ohio Valley during

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

gzuck...@snail-mail.net (z) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:36:07 UT

yeah, that was a good line. she has Bush Syndrome.

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

gzuck...@snail-mail.net (z) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:34:48 UT

Hey, Mr. Short Term Memory, have you already forgotten this?
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Tell ya what, if you have any sort of experiment wherein somebody has
demonstrated that CO2 failed to absorb longwave IR under any sort of
conditions, we're all waiting.

Re: Another failed International Treaty: Ozone hole grows in 2008

i...@casual.com (Ouroboros_Rex) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:49:58 UT

The usual delusional crap.

Re: Biden Wrong on Global Warming

gzuck...@snail-mail.net (z) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:12:56 UT

the same goes for evolution.

Another failed International Treaty: Ozone hole grows in 2008

mant...@n3spam.com (kiloVolts) — Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:28:18 UT

Failure of the League of Nations lead to 72 millions deaths. Failure of the
United Nations lead to the Antarctic Ozone Hole. Boo hoo.
League of Nations: [link]
[link]
"The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II was roughly