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casagi...@optonline.net
Apr 26, 2012, 1:42:51 PM4/26/12
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What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Sunshine
Apr 26, 2012, 3:32:05 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, casagi...@optonline.net wrote:
>What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Believe it or not, some people do use the windshield mount. I never
>What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
have, but I've seen it done. Besides the stability factor, the
windshield is just too far away to make accessing the touch screen
practical. There's also a vent clip that allows you to clip the unit
to an air conditioning vent. I've never tried that.
What I've used from day one is a bean bag mount. That allows me to
place the unit where I want it, with good visibility and within easy
reach. It also makes moving the unit between vehicles, or between
vehicle and house for safekeeping, a breeze. Highly recommended.
MR
Apr 26, 2012, 3:56:21 PM4/26/12
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> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
nothing to give a thief a clue.
You may want to mount it on a wooden block so as to give you a good angle
for viewing in strong daylight.
MR
Lee
Apr 26, 2012, 4:50:44 PM4/26/12
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Same here, and if the sun gets to bright I move it down to the
ashtray. Works great for me. Street Pilot C530.
Sunshine wrote:
> What I've used from day one is a bean bag mount. That allows me to
> place the unit where I want it, with good visibility and within easy
> reach. It also makes moving the unit between vehicles, or between
> vehicle and house for safekeeping, a breeze. Highly recommended.
--
Lee US Army Retired
2004 Georgie Boy Cruise Master
Skype: lee.g.bray and logitech
ashtray. Works great for me. Street Pilot C530.
Sunshine wrote:
> What I've used from day one is a bean bag mount. That allows me to
> place the unit where I want it, with good visibility and within easy
> reach. It also makes moving the unit between vehicles, or between
> vehicle and house for safekeeping, a breeze. Highly recommended.
Lee US Army Retired
2004 Georgie Boy Cruise Master
Skype: lee.g.bray and logitech
MLD
Apr 26, 2012, 6:09:28 PM4/26/12
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<casagi...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Put me on the" bean bag" method
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Lee
Apr 26, 2012, 6:12:47 PM4/26/12
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Ditto!
MLD wrote:
>
> Put me on the" bean bag" method
MLD wrote:
>
> Put me on the" bean bag" method
casagi...@optonline.net
Apr 26, 2012, 6:18:03 PM4/26/12
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Please advise just what a bean bag mount is, and where to get one,
etc.
etc.
Sunshine
Apr 26, 2012, 6:47:04 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:18:03 -0400, casagi...@optonline.net wrote:
>Please advise just what a bean bag mount is, and where to get one,
>etc.
I use this one:
>Please advise just what a bean bag mount is, and where to get one,
>etc.
<http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-10908-00-Portable-Friction-Mount/dp/B000LRMS66/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1335480367&sr=8-3>
Peter H. Coffin
Apr 26, 2012, 6:36:39 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:56:21 -0400, MR wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>
>
> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
> nothing to give a thief a clue.
Aside from half the velcro.
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>
>
> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
> nothing to give a thief a clue.
--
For every subject you can think of there are at least 3 web sites.
The owners of these web sites know each other and at least one of
them hates at least one of the others.
-- mnlooney's view of Skif's Internet Theorem
Peter H. Coffin
Apr 26, 2012, 6:38:46 PM4/26/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:18:03 -0400, casagi...@optonline.net wrote:
> Please advise just what a bean bag mount is, and where to get one,
> etc.
Garmin calls it a "Portable Friction Mount", but it comes down to being
> etc.
a bean bag with a foam rubber bottom.
https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=806
I use it as well. And have, with various units, since about 1999.
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Tom J
Apr 26, 2012, 8:33:45 PM4/26/12
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in both my motorhome and my toad. My 7200 has a mount that unlocks, so I
have a mount for each!!
Tom J
Gene E. Bloch
Apr 27, 2012, 12:27:56 AM4/27/12
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On 4/26/2012, Peter H. Coffin posted:
:-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:56:21 -0400, MR wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>
>>
>> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
>> nothing to give a thief a clue.
> Aside from half the velcro.
It won't be noticeable if it's color coordinated.
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>
>>
>> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
>> nothing to give a thief a clue.
> Aside from half the velcro.
:-)
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Sunshine
Apr 27, 2012, 1:25:18 AM4/27/12
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user removes his GPS he can stick a troll doll there and no one will
be the wiser. ;-)
Lots to choose from!
<https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=829&q=troll+dolls&gbv=2&oq=trol+dol&aq=0s&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=img.3.0.0i10l10.1339.7076.0.10031.8.8.0.0.0.0.121.847.1j7.8.0.sKFFAiQsDVM>
Hans-Georg Michna
Apr 27, 2012, 5:08:42 AM4/27/12
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>What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
After many trials I am absolutely convinced that a handheld GPS
>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
or smartphone should be attached to the dashboard, not to the
windshield. The main reasons are that it is closer to your eyes,
so easier to read, and that it is not mounted in front of a
bright background.
I personally always use a holder that clamps on to a ventilation
grid. I have tried perhaps half a dozen different designs and
slightly prefer those that also have an angular adjustment, but
all I have tried were workable, if they fitted the vent grid at
all. Most do.
Hans-Georg
nob...@nada.com
Apr 27, 2012, 6:02:23 AM4/27/12
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:32:05 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
I also prefer the bean bag mount but find that after a few years they
lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
wrote:
lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
H. Druss
Apr 27, 2012, 6:09:06 AM4/27/12
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> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Check out http://www.proclipusa.com
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Owen McKenzie
Apr 27, 2012, 11:20:08 AM4/27/12
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across this one, & so far it has worked like a charm.
http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
--
Owen McKenzie
Posting from Largo, FL
"That may be YOUR point. MY point is to live each moment so as
to maximize the amount of complaining that can be done about said
moment, after the fact. It's not as easy as it looks." --jankplus
Mike Coon
Apr 27, 2012, 12:13:29 PM4/27/12
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Owen McKenzie wrote:
> On 4/27/2012 6:02 AM, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>> I also prefer the bean bag mount but find that after a few years they
>> lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
>> dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
>> Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
>
> I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
> across this one, & so far it has worked like a charm.
>
> http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
Or use a separate friction pad which are sold for multiple purposes
> On 4/27/2012 6:02 AM, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>> I also prefer the bean bag mount but find that after a few years they
>> lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
>> dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
>> Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
>
> I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
> across this one, & so far it has worked like a charm.
>
> http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
uncluding putting under slip-mats or rugs to stop slipping! So cheap that if
there is a problem "after a few years" throw it away and use another...
Mike.
--
If reply address is Mike@@mjcoon.+.com (invalid), remove spurious "@"
and substitute "plus" for +.
nob...@nada.com
Apr 27, 2012, 1:38:08 PM4/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:20:08 -0400, Owen McKenzie
<jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>On 4/27/2012 6:02 AM, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:32:05 -0500, Sunshine<suns...@none.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, casagi...@optonline.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, some people do use the windshield mount. I never
>>> have, but I've seen it done. Besides the stability factor, the
>>> windshield is just too far away to make accessing the touch screen
>>> practical. There's also a vent clip that allows you to clip the unit
>>> to an air conditioning vent. I've never tried that.
>>>
>>> What I've used from day one is a bean bag mount. That allows me to
>>> place the unit where I want it, with good visibility and within easy
>>> reach. It also makes moving the unit between vehicles, or between
>>> vehicle and house for safekeeping, a breeze. Highly recommended.
>>
>> I also prefer the bean bag mount but find that after a few years they
>> lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
>> dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
>> Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
>
>I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
>across this one, & so far it has worked like a charm.
>
>http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
How long have you had it? Do you need to do anything to keep it
<jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>On 4/27/2012 6:02 AM, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 14:32:05 -0500, Sunshine<suns...@none.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, casagi...@optonline.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, some people do use the windshield mount. I never
>>> have, but I've seen it done. Besides the stability factor, the
>>> windshield is just too far away to make accessing the touch screen
>>> practical. There's also a vent clip that allows you to clip the unit
>>> to an air conditioning vent. I've never tried that.
>>>
>>> What I've used from day one is a bean bag mount. That allows me to
>>> place the unit where I want it, with good visibility and within easy
>>> reach. It also makes moving the unit between vehicles, or between
>>> vehicle and house for safekeeping, a breeze. Highly recommended.
>>
>> I also prefer the bean bag mount but find that after a few years they
>> lose the friction that keeps them on the dasn. Washing with
>> dishwashing soap helps at first but the value of that diminishes.
>> Anyone have another way to renew the "stickiness"?
>
>I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
>across this one, & so far it has worked like a charm.
>
>http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
sticky?
Part of my problem may be I have a Nuvi 1450, which is bigger and
heavier than most models.
benjammin
Apr 27, 2012, 1:48:17 PM4/27/12
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Agreed: I've used ProClipUSA (aka Brodit) dashboard mounts in three
different cars over ten years (www.proclipusa.com). They're superb.
Currently I have a ProClip with a Brodit Swivel Mount 17mm - # 215116
Mounting Accessories Tilt swivel mount
(www.brodit.com/images/215116.jpg) to hold my nuvi 650. Couldn't be
happier. When my GPS is not in use, I just pull it from the mount and
stick it in my center console. Never lost or damaged a GPS with a
ProCLip mount but had one fall to the floor (repeatedly) when driving a
rental car with a windshield vacuum mount.
On 2012-04-27 10:09:06 +0000, H. Druss said:
>
> Check out http://www.proclipusa.com
different cars over ten years (www.proclipusa.com). They're superb.
Currently I have a ProClip with a Brodit Swivel Mount 17mm - # 215116
Mounting Accessories Tilt swivel mount
(www.brodit.com/images/215116.jpg) to hold my nuvi 650. Couldn't be
happier. When my GPS is not in use, I just pull it from the mount and
stick it in my center console. Never lost or damaged a GPS with a
ProCLip mount but had one fall to the floor (repeatedly) when driving a
rental car with a windshield vacuum mount.
On 2012-04-27 10:09:06 +0000, H. Druss said:
>
> Check out http://www.proclipusa.com
Gene E. Bloch
Apr 27, 2012, 2:55:56 PM4/27/12
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On 4/26/2012, Sunshine posted:
It might be worth doing even without a GPS.
> Lots to choose from!
> <https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=829&q=troll+dolls&gbv=2&oq=trol+dol&aq=0s&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=img.3.0.0i10l10.1339.7076.0.10031.8.8.0.0.0.0.121.847.1j7.8.0.sKFFAiQsDVM>
But can I get away with the nude ones? I live near a church...
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:27:56 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
> <bloc...@someplace.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012, Peter H. Coffin posted:
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:56:21 -0400, MR wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
>>>> nothing to give a thief a clue.
>>
>>> Aside from half the velcro.
>>
>> It won't be noticeable if it's color coordinated.
>>
>> :-)
> Get a troll doll and glue velcro to its feet. The next time the velcro
> user removes his GPS he can stick a troll doll there and no one will
> be the wiser. ;-)
I don't quite know why, but I laughed out loud on that one :-)
> <bloc...@someplace.invalid> wrote:
>> On 4/26/2012, Peter H. Coffin posted:
>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:56:21 -0400, MR wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 13:42:51 -0400, <casagi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>>>> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
>>>> nothing to give a thief a clue.
>>
>>> Aside from half the velcro.
>>
>> It won't be noticeable if it's color coordinated.
>>
>> :-)
> Get a troll doll and glue velcro to its feet. The next time the velcro
> user removes his GPS he can stick a troll doll there and no one will
> be the wiser. ;-)
It might be worth doing even without a GPS.
> Lots to choose from!
> <https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1280&bih=829&q=troll+dolls&gbv=2&oq=trol+dol&aq=0s&aqi=g-s10&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=img.3.0.0i10l10.1339.7076.0.10031.8.8.0.0.0.0.121.847.1j7.8.0.sKFFAiQsDVM>
Sunshine
Apr 27, 2012, 3:12:31 PM4/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:55:56 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
I'm usually in favor of tweaking the church when possible, so I say
give it a try. You can always dress it in a nun's habit later. :)
give it a try. You can always dress it in a nun's habit later. :)
Tekkie®
Apr 27, 2012, 3:21:50 PM4/27/12
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Elmo P. Shagnasty posted for all of us...
And I know how to SNIP
>
> In article <op.wdd1n7fzzdyk9s@marshall-pc>, MR <mcr...@hotmail.com>
> sat-nav that's sitting on your dash, that won't get them but three
> bucks--best case--from the local fence.
>
> It's not worth breaking into a car for a sat-nav. They're so incredibly
> cheap and ubiquitous.
BUT, they break in and find your home address.
They know where the occupants probably are and go
to work...
--
Tekkie
And I know how to SNIP
>
> In article <op.wdd1n7fzzdyk9s@marshall-pc>, MR <mcr...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
> > nothing to give a thief a clue.
>
> I certainly hope thieves have gotten well beyond caring about the $50
>
> > I use velcro to fasten my gps to the dash. Easy on.....easy off and
> > nothing to give a thief a clue.
>
> sat-nav that's sitting on your dash, that won't get them but three
> bucks--best case--from the local fence.
>
> It's not worth breaking into a car for a sat-nav. They're so incredibly
> cheap and ubiquitous.
BUT, they break in and find your home address.
They know where the occupants probably are and go
to work...
--
Tekkie
Owen McKenzie
Apr 27, 2012, 3:52:42 PM4/27/12
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On 4/27/2012 1:38 PM, nob...@nada.com wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:20:08 -0400, Owen McKenzie
> <jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
>> across this one,& so far it has worked like a charm.
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:20:08 -0400, Owen McKenzie
> <jomck...@escapees.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've used bean bags and had the same problem you mentioned. Then I ran
>>
>> http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
>
>
> How long have you had it? Do you need to do anything to keep it
> sticky?
>
> Part of my problem may be I have a Nuvi 1450, which is bigger and
> heavier than most models.
I also have a 1450. I've had it around a year. So far I've not noticed
>> http://www.staples.com/Garmin-Portable-Friction-Mount/product_803926
>
>
> How long have you had it? Do you need to do anything to keep it
> sticky?
>
> Part of my problem may be I have a Nuvi 1450, which is bigger and
> heavier than most models.
any degradation of the "stickiness".
Gene E. Bloch
Apr 27, 2012, 4:05:32 PM4/27/12
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On 4/27/2012, Sunshine posted:
Maybe I can get a dozen or so people to put trolls on their dashboards
and park in the church lot next Sunday :-)
There were so many trolls at the link you gave, I wouldn't be surprised
if there was one in a habit somewhere there...
and park in the church lot next Sunday :-)
There were so many trolls at the link you gave, I wouldn't be surprised
if there was one in a habit somewhere there...
Larry
Apr 27, 2012, 5:53:41 PM4/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:12:31 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
said "That's ok, just don't get in the habit".
wrote:
>
>I'm usually in favor of tweaking the church when possible, so I say
>give it a try. You can always dress it in a nun's habit later. :)
In the confessional I told a priest that I had kissed a Nun. He
>I'm usually in favor of tweaking the church when possible, so I say
>give it a try. You can always dress it in a nun's habit later. :)
said "That's ok, just don't get in the habit".
Sunshine
Apr 27, 2012, 6:01:11 PM4/27/12
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nob...@nada.com
Apr 27, 2012, 10:18:58 PM4/27/12
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:50 -0400, Tekkieœ <Tek...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
one near to you and you will get home just fine.
wrote:
one near to you and you will get home just fine.
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Mike Coon
Apr 28, 2012, 4:57:32 AM4/28/12
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
> there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
> insured--has your home address on it.
Don't you need it to show the nasty officers too?
> of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
> there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
> insured--has your home address on it.
Don't you need it to show the nasty officers too?
H. Druss
Apr 27, 2012, 6:09:06 AM4/27/12
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> What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
Check out http://www.proclipusa.com
> windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
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nob...@nada.com
Apr 28, 2012, 7:20:56 PM4/28/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:27:48 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <qqkmp71ud0r6l4dpf...@4ax.com>,
not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
have no way at that point to find a better address.
This foils all but the smart thieves, which are relatively few. Is it
perfect, no, but a lot better than giving them turn-by-turn
directions.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <qqkmp71ud0r6l4dpf...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >BUT, they break in and find your home address.
>> >They know where the occupants probably are and go
>> >to work...
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>
>
>> >BUT, they break in and find your home address.
>> >They know where the occupants probably are and go
>> >to work...
>>
>>
>> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>
>of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>insured--has your home address on it.
The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>insured--has your home address on it.
not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
have no way at that point to find a better address.
This foils all but the smart thieves, which are relatively few. Is it
perfect, no, but a lot better than giving them turn-by-turn
directions.
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Douglas C. Neidermeyer
Apr 29, 2012, 8:00:24 AM4/29/12
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On 4/28/12 9:39 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
>
> "Oooooo, now I know where he lives!"
>
> So?
>
> Absolute worst case, the GPS owner is single and lives alone in a single
> occupant structure, and the thief thinks--doesn't know, but thinks--that
> right then at that very moment the owner is not home. Also, absolute
> *worst* case is the owner lives in a house with an attached garage, AND
> uses a standalone door opener clipped to the visor instead of an opener
> built in to the car.
>
> Never mind neighbors, or security systems. Never mind the likelihood
> that the owner is NOT single, that others occupy the house as well and
> therefore the fact of the GPS being in that parking lot does not mean
> the pickings are ripe. Ditto the home address being an apartment
> building.
>
> So somebody knows where I live. You know, thieves may be roaming my
> neighborhood at any time; THEY know where I live, too. Oh, they don't
> know who I am or what car I drive--so? They know there's a house there,
> that it's the middle of the day, that the likelihood of no one being
> around is high....
>
> Even better, those thieves don't have to risk being caught breaking a
> car window in a public place.
>
> Frankly, I'm more worried about the random thief walking the
> neighborhood streets. I don't *know* his intentions. I don't *know* if
> he's a thief or just some skeezy looking dude walking to the bus stop.
> But the guy who would risk being caught breaking my car window? People
> will see him and know what he's up to.
>
> So I come out to my parked car to find my window broken and both the GPS
> and the garage door opener gone. So what? How is this any riskier or
> more likely to happen than the burglar walking the street in my
> neighborhood choosing to break into my home at random?
>
> So I call home, or call a neighbor, or rush home. Again, this is worst
> case. At least I *know* to be worried, compared to simply leaving my
> house and wondering about that skeezy dude walking down the street as I
> leave my driveway.
>
> So: what does the GPS "Home" address actually do to benefit a thief who
> is breaking into my car, vs a burglar that's just breaking into homes in
> my neighborhood?
Smith & Wesson...
> In article<p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>>> of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>>> there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>>> insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
> And what does his having your home address exactly DO for the GPS thief?
>
>>> of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>>> there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>>> insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
>
> "Oooooo, now I know where he lives!"
>
> So?
>
> Absolute worst case, the GPS owner is single and lives alone in a single
> occupant structure, and the thief thinks--doesn't know, but thinks--that
> right then at that very moment the owner is not home. Also, absolute
> *worst* case is the owner lives in a house with an attached garage, AND
> uses a standalone door opener clipped to the visor instead of an opener
> built in to the car.
>
> Never mind neighbors, or security systems. Never mind the likelihood
> that the owner is NOT single, that others occupy the house as well and
> therefore the fact of the GPS being in that parking lot does not mean
> the pickings are ripe. Ditto the home address being an apartment
> building.
>
> So somebody knows where I live. You know, thieves may be roaming my
> neighborhood at any time; THEY know where I live, too. Oh, they don't
> know who I am or what car I drive--so? They know there's a house there,
> that it's the middle of the day, that the likelihood of no one being
> around is high....
>
> Even better, those thieves don't have to risk being caught breaking a
> car window in a public place.
>
> Frankly, I'm more worried about the random thief walking the
> neighborhood streets. I don't *know* his intentions. I don't *know* if
> he's a thief or just some skeezy looking dude walking to the bus stop.
> But the guy who would risk being caught breaking my car window? People
> will see him and know what he's up to.
>
> So I come out to my parked car to find my window broken and both the GPS
> and the garage door opener gone. So what? How is this any riskier or
> more likely to happen than the burglar walking the street in my
> neighborhood choosing to break into my home at random?
>
> So I call home, or call a neighbor, or rush home. Again, this is worst
> case. At least I *know* to be worried, compared to simply leaving my
> house and wondering about that skeezy dude walking down the street as I
> leave my driveway.
>
> So: what does the GPS "Home" address actually do to benefit a thief who
> is breaking into my car, vs a burglar that's just breaking into homes in
> my neighborhood?
Smith & Wesson...
Peter H. Coffin
Apr 29, 2012, 10:01:54 AM4/29/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:20:56 -0700, nob...@nada.com wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:27:48 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
><el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <qqkmp71ud0r6l4dpf...@4ax.com>,
>> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>> >BUT, they break in and find your home address.
>>> >They know where the occupants probably are and go
>>> >to work...
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>>> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>>
>>of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>>there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>>insured--has your home address on it.
>
> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
> have no way at that point to find a better address.
Of course, any GPS worth owning these days has a PIN lock on it anyway,
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 04:27:48 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
><el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <qqkmp71ud0r6l4dpf...@4ax.com>,
>> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>> >BUT, they break in and find your home address.
>>> >They know where the occupants probably are and go
>>> >to work...
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>>> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>>
>>of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>>there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>>insured--has your home address on it.
>
> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
> have no way at that point to find a better address.
that will keep theives from doing anything with the GPS anyway, unless
the thing is sitting in your driveway anyway. Which kind of makes the
whole point moot, as they can probably GUESS which house is yours from
there, and that you're not out someplace with your car at the time.
--
People who are willing to rely on the government to keep them safe are
pretty much standing on Darwin's mat, pounding on the door, screaming,
'Take me, take me!'
-- Carl Jacobs in the Monastery
nob...@nada.com
Apr 29, 2012, 4:24:46 PM4/29/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:39:59 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
Yes, but you can avoid the GOPS issue at no cost.
longer random. If you feel that slightly changing the address isn't
worth it to avoid that particular risk, then don't do it.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
>
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
>
>So I call home, or call a neighbor, or rush home. Again, this is worst
>case. At least I *know* to be worried, compared to simply leaving my
>house and wondering about that skeezy dude walking down the street as I
>leave my driveway.
>
>So: what does the GPS "Home" address actually do to benefit a thief who
>is breaking into my car, vs a burglar that's just breaking into homes in
>my neighborhood?
He has a probability that you are not home. Once he has that, it's no
>So I call home, or call a neighbor, or rush home. Again, this is worst
>case. At least I *know* to be worried, compared to simply leaving my
>house and wondering about that skeezy dude walking down the street as I
>leave my driveway.
>
>So: what does the GPS "Home" address actually do to benefit a thief who
>is breaking into my car, vs a burglar that's just breaking into homes in
>my neighborhood?
longer random. If you feel that slightly changing the address isn't
worth it to avoid that particular risk, then don't do it.
nob...@nada.com
Apr 29, 2012, 4:28:00 PM4/29/12
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:40:40 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
>have a GPS in my hand with this address in it".
Yes. It's less likely that someone is home than just choosing a house
at random. It gives the thief a target with less chance of someone
being there. Again, if it's not worth it to you, don't do it.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>>
>> This foils all but the smart thieves, which are relatively few. Is it
>> perfect, no, but a lot better than giving them turn-by-turn
>> directions.
>
>...to some random house about which he knows nothing other than "hey, I
>
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>>
>> This foils all but the smart thieves, which are relatively few. Is it
>> perfect, no, but a lot better than giving them turn-by-turn
>> directions.
>
>have a GPS in my hand with this address in it".
Yes. It's less likely that someone is home than just choosing a house
at random. It gives the thief a target with less chance of someone
being there. Again, if it's not worth it to you, don't do it.
Seth
Apr 29, 2012, 7:27:46 PM4/29/12
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"Hans-Georg Michna" <hans-georgN...@michna.com> wrote in message
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>>What is the best way to mount a Nuvi 1450? The included hardware for
>>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>
> After many trials I am absolutely convinced that a handheld GPS
>>windshield mounting just doesn't seem robust enough to last ...
>
> or smartphone should be attached to the dashboard, not to the
> windshield. The main reasons are that it is closer to your eyes,
> so easier to read, and that it is not mounted in front of a
> bright background.
Meh. I keep mine mounted as high up on the windshield as possible. Next to
or above the rear-view mirror depending on the vehicle. It's in a
neighborhood that my eyes are constantly scanning and in easy reach for me
should I need to make an adjustment.
Most cars these days that section of the windshield is tinted so even the
faint ring form the suction cup is hidden from view.
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 29, 2012, 11:16:25 PM4/29/12
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"Seth" <sethN...@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote
> Meh. I keep mine mounted as high up on the windshield as possible. Next
> to or above the rear-view mirror depending on the vehicle. It's in a
> neighborhood that my eyes are constantly scanning and in easy reach for me
> should I need to make an adjustment.
>
> Most cars these days that section of the windshield is tinted so even the
> faint ring form the suction cup is hidden from view.
>
>
They may get the bracket, but my gps is never left alone in the car, not
> to or above the rear-view mirror depending on the vehicle. It's in a
> neighborhood that my eyes are constantly scanning and in easy reach for me
> should I need to make an adjustment.
>
> Most cars these days that section of the windshield is tinted so even the
> faint ring form the suction cup is hidden from view.
>
>
even for a second. Eliminating the temptation saves a lot of potential
aggravation.
My mount is on the lower left corner of the windshield.
casagi...@optonline.net
May 3, 2012, 2:59:22 AM5/3/12
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All things considered, the bean bag mount seems the best ...
Scott W
May 16, 2012, 11:41:13 AM5/16/12
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My fear in this scenario is if my car is stolen, they will be able to go to
my home & open the garage door with the opener. My house would then be open
to theft.
wrote in message news:p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com...
my home & open the garage door with the opener. My house would then be open
to theft.
wrote in message news:p9uop7piqp7ajduqh...@4ax.com...
Peter H. Coffin
May 16, 2012, 4:15:55 PM5/16/12
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home already*. So how is the GPS going to lead theives to your house
unless they're already there? If the GPS is unlocked, I'm sure there are
many things in your car that can be used to find your address anyway,
and they can then use your unlocked GPS to take them to your address.
You can also help solve this problem by keeping the door between your
garage and house locked as well.
--
35. I will not grow a goatee. In the old days they made you look
diabolic. Now they just make you look like a disaffected member of
Generation X.
--Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil Overlord
Ed Pawlowski
May 16, 2012, 10:31:24 PM5/16/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:41:13 -0700, "Scott W" <Scott...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>My fear in this scenario is if my car is stolen, they will be able to go to
>my home & open the garage door with the opener. My house would then be open
>to theft.
>
Unless you have built in nav in the car, the GPS should be in your
pocket, not in the car. It is the most stolen item from cars so
leaving it sitting in the open is dumb.
Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
wrote:
>My fear in this scenario is if my car is stolen, they will be able to go to
>my home & open the garage door with the opener. My house would then be open
>to theft.
>
pocket, not in the car. It is the most stolen item from cars so
leaving it sitting in the open is dumb.
Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
Sunshine
May 17, 2012, 1:11:27 AM5/17/12
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:31:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>Unless you have built in nav in the car, the GPS should be in your
>pocket, not in the car. It is the most stolen item from cars so
>leaving it sitting in the open is dumb.
I think in some areas the novelty has worn off and they aren't quite
>Unless you have built in nav in the car, the GPS should be in your
>pocket, not in the car. It is the most stolen item from cars so
>leaving it sitting in the open is dumb.
the same target that they used to be. I was at the DMV earlier this
week, faced with about a 4-hour wait, so I had plenty of time to walk
around. I saw perhaps 25-30 non-factory nav units perched in cars and
at least half a dozen had the windows rolled down. Ok, so maybe the
DMV isn't a good place to do any stealing, but I was at a large
department store later and saw more nav units on car dash's as I
walked from my car to the store, just out there in the open.
Personally, I have never taken mine with me, although I do usually
take it off the dash and put it down on the floor. I can't imagine
putting it in my pocket. That would be awkward.
Ed Pawlowski
May 17, 2012, 5:51:51 AM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 00:11:27 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
>Personally, I have never taken mine with me, although I do usually
>take it off the dash and put it down on the floor. I can't imagine
>putting it in my pocket. That would be awkward.
Awkward? How so? I leave the mount in place and just slip the GPS
into a shirt pocket. No worse than carrying a pair of sunglasses. I
leave in powered up too, unless I'm going to be gone for a long time.
I even have a soft side eyeglass case that I can slide it into for
protection if I have no shirt pocket and use a pants pocket.
Most of the time though, it sits on a shelf at home. I only use it if
I'm going some place new or taking a trip. I've been working at the
same place for 22 years and have the route pretty much memorized.
wrote:
>Personally, I have never taken mine with me, although I do usually
>take it off the dash and put it down on the floor. I can't imagine
>putting it in my pocket. That would be awkward.
into a shirt pocket. No worse than carrying a pair of sunglasses. I
leave in powered up too, unless I'm going to be gone for a long time.
I even have a soft side eyeglass case that I can slide it into for
protection if I have no shirt pocket and use a pants pocket.
Most of the time though, it sits on a shelf at home. I only use it if
I'm going some place new or taking a trip. I've been working at the
same place for 22 years and have the route pretty much memorized.
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Douglas C. Neidermeyer
May 17, 2012, 11:31:50 AM5/17/12
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March on the governor's mansion and legislature to demand better service!!
Sunshine
May 17, 2012, 11:59:28 AM5/17/12
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back down. They just did a complete statewide hardware/software
upgrade that they're having issues with, and it's bad enough that it's
been one of the lead stories on the news since the implementation,
almost a week now.
Sunshine
May 17, 2012, 12:04:52 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 05:51:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 May 2012 00:11:27 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Personally, I have never taken mine with me, although I do usually
>>take it off the dash and put it down on the floor. I can't imagine
>>putting it in my pocket. That would be awkward.
>
>
>Awkward? How so? I leave the mount in place and just slip the GPS
>into a shirt pocket. No worse than carrying a pair of sunglasses. I
>leave in powered up too, unless I'm going to be gone for a long time.
When I carry sunglasses, I hook them into the neck of my shirt. Many
>On Thu, 17 May 2012 00:11:27 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Personally, I have never taken mine with me, although I do usually
>>take it off the dash and put it down on the floor. I can't imagine
>>putting it in my pocket. That would be awkward.
>
>
>Awkward? How so? I leave the mount in place and just slip the GPS
>into a shirt pocket. No worse than carrying a pair of sunglasses. I
>leave in powered up too, unless I'm going to be gone for a long time.
of my shirts don't have a pocket, and the ones that do would be lucky
to allow a GPS to slip halfway inside, maybe less. That's not nearly
stable enough to allow me to walk around, especially if I need to bend
down to pick something up from a lower shelf. When I mentioned
awkward, I was thinking of stuffing something as big as a GPS into a
pants pocket. Awkward. I just leave it in the car since I don't think
it's a loss threat anymore.
>Most of the time though, it sits on a shelf at home. I only use it if
>I'm going some place new or taking a trip. I've been working at the
>same place for 22 years and have the route pretty much memorized.
benjammin
May 17, 2012, 12:35:19 PM5/17/12
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On 2012-05-17 15:31:50 +0000, Douglas C. Neidermeyer said:
>
> Man, what grinch state do you live in that has 4 hour lines at the DMV?
> March on the governor's mansion and legislature to demand better
> service!!
Just a guess on my part, but it sounds like the situation at the DMV
>
> Man, what grinch state do you live in that has 4 hour lines at the DMV?
> March on the governor's mansion and legislature to demand better
> service!!
offices in Denver. Up here in Boulder County, our county clerk runs an
efficient and friendly office and the wait times are far shorter. (The
DMV is a state operation but administered locally by county clerks.)
But if you think DMV is a mess, you should see the state welfare
system. They've spent millions over the years to improve an
abyssmally-poor system and simply enriched consultants and hardware
manufacturers. The poor and poverty-striken suffer more than ever but
who cares about them?
Did I mention the state legislature is controlled -- and paralyzed --
by conservative Republicans?
Scott W
May 17, 2012, 1:03:09 PM5/17/12
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Ed, having an address as opposed to having a turn by turn directional device
are 2 very different things. The GPS would allow someone to get to my house
faster than I could prevent them as I would be stranded without my car. They
would have instant access to my garage. I now have a built in device & the
fear still follows me. After much thought, I am going to reprogram the home
address to a house on another block.
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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are 2 very different things. The GPS would allow someone to get to my house
faster than I could prevent them as I would be stranded without my car. They
would have instant access to my garage. I now have a built in device & the
fear still follows me. After much thought, I am going to reprogram the home
address to a house on another block.
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
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Sunshine
May 17, 2012, 1:16:52 PM5/17/12
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changed.
nob...@nada.com
May 17, 2012, 5:37:48 PM5/17/12
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ANything that makes it harder is a deterrent.
nob...@nada.com
May 17, 2012, 5:41:14 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 06:52:04 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <6tGdnVq1WL0HVy7S...@earthlink.com>,
>from the GPS do for the thief?
>
>Nothing.
>
>You write checks; your home address is on them. So? It's no different.
It's completely different. Knowing your address is not the same as
turn by turn directions to get there.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <6tGdnVq1WL0HVy7S...@earthlink.com>,
> "Scott W" <Scott...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>> >> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>> >
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
>that's all very well and good, but what does having a specific address
>
>> >> Which is exactly why you don't out in your real home address. Put in
>> >> one near to you and you will get home just fine.
>> >
>> >of course, the insurance card in your glove box--the one you have in
>> >there for your wife to show the nice officer to prove that the car is
>> >insured--has your home address on it.
>>
>> The reason to not put the real address in the GPS is that the GPS will
>> not lead them to the correct place. When they steal the GPS they have
>> no idea the home address is phony so have no reason to look for
>> another address. The GPS will lead them to the wrong place and they
>> have no way at that point to find a better address.
>
>from the GPS do for the thief?
>
>Nothing.
>
>You write checks; your home address is on them. So? It's no different.
It's completely different. Knowing your address is not the same as
turn by turn directions to get there.
Sunshine
May 17, 2012, 8:45:36 PM5/17/12
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by turn directions.
Gene E. Bloch
May 17, 2012, 10:58:08 PM5/17/12
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--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Ed Pawlowski
May 17, 2012, 11:12:13 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:37:48 -0700, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
>>and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
>
>Does the insurance card have trun be turn directions to your home?
>ANything that makes it harder is a deterrent.
Any deterrent can be overcome by someone intent on robbing you. If he
>>
>>Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
>>and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
>
>Does the insurance card have trun be turn directions to your home?
>ANything that makes it harder is a deterrent.
did not steal your gps, he probably has navigation on his cell phone.
Or knows the street. If he wants to use the garage door opener, he
certainly will.
Ed Pawlowski
May 17, 2012, 11:14:15 PM5/17/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 19:45:36 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
>
>Once I have your home address, I can use any old GPS to generate turn
>by turn directions.
If you don't have a gps, just stop at the Police Station and ask for
directions. Some have a big town map to help you.
wrote:
>
>Once I have your home address, I can use any old GPS to generate turn
>by turn directions.
directions. Some have a big town map to help you.
Gene E. Bloch
May 17, 2012, 11:16:58 PM5/17/12
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I think you have far and away the best perspective on this issue...
Bob Martin
May 18, 2012, 1:10:51 AM5/18/12
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nob...@nada.com
May 18, 2012, 6:40:08 AM5/18/12
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 23:12:13 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:37:48 -0700, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
>>>and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
>>
>>Does the insurance card have trun be turn directions to your home?
>>ANything that makes it harder is a deterrent.
>
>Any deterrent can be overcome by someone intent on robbing you.
But every detterent makes it harder and they will look for easier
>On Thu, 17 May 2012 14:37:48 -0700, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Next, check the glove box. See if that insurance card has your name
>>>and address on it. Or the registration, or a service bill.
>>
>>Does the insurance card have trun be turn directions to your home?
>>ANything that makes it harder is a deterrent.
>
>Any deterrent can be overcome by someone intent on robbing you.
pickings.
> If he
>did not steal your gps, he probably has navigation on his cell phone.
>Or knows the street. If he wants to use the garage door opener, he
>certainly will.
smartphone or knew the street?
nob...@nada.com
May 18, 2012, 6:41:17 AM5/18/12
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nob...@nada.com
May 18, 2012, 6:41:46 AM5/18/12
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nob...@nada.com
May 18, 2012, 6:42:24 AM5/18/12
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nob...@nada.com
May 18, 2012, 6:46:09 AM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 07:10:51 BST, Bob Martin <bob.m...@excite.com>
wrote:
And everyone has that on a portable device?
I'm not suggesting that not putting the correct address in the GPS can
prevent a determined thief, but it does add a chance of prevention.
You're assuming these thieves are smart. More typical, they snatch the
GPS and use it. Will they really look for something else to verify the
address?
wrote:
I'm not suggesting that not putting the correct address in the GPS can
prevent a determined thief, but it does add a chance of prevention.
You're assuming these thieves are smart. More typical, they snatch the
GPS and use it. Will they really look for something else to verify the
address?
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Peter H. Coffin
May 18, 2012, 8:40:25 AM5/18/12
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broke into.
--
Cunningham's First Law:
Any sufficiently complex deterministic system will exhibit
non-deterministic behaviour.
Douglas C. Neidermeyer
May 18, 2012, 9:41:54 AM5/18/12
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anti-poverty program that has done what it was supposed to,
Ya' know, if you take all the money that's been pissed down the tubes on
all the look good/feel good programs to "fight poverty" since Lyndon
Johnson's Great Society, we could have given each poor family a cash
grant of over million dollars and still have enough left over to make a
serious dent in the obscene debt Obama put my grandchildren in.
OK, now you can go back to singing Kumbaya...
Sunshine
May 18, 2012, 10:05:47 AM5/18/12
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stolen since (in my area, at least) stealing nav units is no longer
popular. Almost everyone who wants nav already has it, whether it's a
standalone unit like a Nuvi or a smartphone app or a factory add-on.
Ed Pawlowski
May 18, 2012, 10:17:21 PM5/18/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 03:40:08 -0700, nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> If he
>>did not steal your gps, he probably has navigation on his cell phone.
>>Or knows the street. If he wants to use the garage door opener, he
>>certainly will.
>
>That's a big assumption. Why would you assume every their hasa
>smartphone or knew the street?
OK, pick a nit. If he has your car and garage opener, he will find
>
>> If he
>>did not steal your gps, he probably has navigation on his cell phone.
>>Or knows the street. If he wants to use the garage door opener, he
>>certainly will.
>
>That's a big assumption. Why would you assume every their hasa
>smartphone or knew the street?
your street in one of many methods in a matter of a minute or two.
Makes no difference how, he can get you. It ain't rocket surgery.
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Ed Pawlowski
May 19, 2012, 10:51:08 AM5/19/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 23:56:40 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <vh0er7l84vgi6seim...@4ax.com>,
>Wait a minute here. Nobody said anything about having the garage door
>opener. The discussion is about "now he has your address".
>
>Most garage door openers are built-in nowadays, so nothing to steal
>there. Some people have detached garages, so even a garage door opener
>gets a bunch of nothing compared to the house.
>
>We're back to "he has your address. So?"
There was mention of door openers before. With GPS, he can steal it
and even steal your car with or without door opener. Depending on the
particular scenario, it can be a "so what" or it can be an "oh shit".
If your car with gps is stolen, the thief can be at your house before
you even know it was stolen and clean you out. Or you can be 3000
miles from home and nothing matters.
If the thief has your car, garage opener, and no gps, it may or may
not be a problem.
Fact is, we can come up with all sorts of scenarios, good and bad and
all pretty meaningless in real life. Does anyone know of a case of
house burglary from a gps theft?
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <vh0er7l84vgi6seim...@4ax.com>,
>opener. The discussion is about "now he has your address".
>
>Most garage door openers are built-in nowadays, so nothing to steal
>there. Some people have detached garages, so even a garage door opener
>gets a bunch of nothing compared to the house.
>
>We're back to "he has your address. So?"
There was mention of door openers before. With GPS, he can steal it
and even steal your car with or without door opener. Depending on the
particular scenario, it can be a "so what" or it can be an "oh shit".
If your car with gps is stolen, the thief can be at your house before
you even know it was stolen and clean you out. Or you can be 3000
miles from home and nothing matters.
If the thief has your car, garage opener, and no gps, it may or may
not be a problem.
Fact is, we can come up with all sorts of scenarios, good and bad and
all pretty meaningless in real life. Does anyone know of a case of
house burglary from a gps theft?
Sunshine
May 19, 2012, 1:08:12 PM5/19/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:51:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>Fact is, we can come up with all sorts of scenarios, good and bad and
>all pretty meaningless in real life. Does anyone know of a case of
>house burglary from a gps theft?
I have nothing concrete to report, but earlier this year there was a
>Fact is, we can come up with all sorts of scenarios, good and bad and
>all pretty meaningless in real life. Does anyone know of a case of
>house burglary from a gps theft?
blurb on the local evening news about a 'growing trend' (I think
that's how they characterized it) of thieves breaking into cars in the
parking lot at movie theaters, looking for something (including GPS)
with your address on it, then visiting the home and breaking in
without much worry of anyone being home at the time.
There are a few things wrong with that story, not the least of which
is the fact that just because someone went to the movie doesn't mean
the whole family went. Likewise, these days with 30 movies playing at
once, the start and stop times are spread throughout the day and
evening, giving thieves no real information about when you'll be
returning to your car and home.
That news blurb is as close as I can come to tying home invasion to
GPS theft.
benjammin
May 19, 2012, 2:09:50 PM5/19/12
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Agreed.
benjammin
May 19, 2012, 2:32:29 PM5/19/12
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You haven't presented any facts to back your statements up.
Since you are pointing fingers and naming names, how about this:
"Reagan's tax policies contributed to an increase in both the
international transactions current account deficit and federal budget
deficit, as well as a significant increase in public debt. National
debt more than tripled from 900 billion dollars to 2.8 trillion dollars
during Reagan's tenure. Nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to
$2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure while the federal deficit fell
from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987." --Wall Street Journal.
Review and Outlook (July 26, 2010).
Colorado actually a "rainy day" contingency surplus in the state
treasury until (Republican) Governor Bill Owens divvied it up and sent
checks -- you could call them "cash grants", I suppose -- to taxpayers.
Now, there's no surplus and things like elementary school and higher
education and temporary assistance to needy families (not to mention
the DMV) have been cut to the bone.
I'm sure you are happily singing "Only in America".
Since you are pointing fingers and naming names, how about this:
"Reagan's tax policies contributed to an increase in both the
international transactions current account deficit and federal budget
deficit, as well as a significant increase in public debt. National
debt more than tripled from 900 billion dollars to 2.8 trillion dollars
during Reagan's tenure. Nominal national debt rose from $900 billion to
$2.8 trillion during Reagan's tenure while the federal deficit fell
from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987." --Wall Street Journal.
Review and Outlook (July 26, 2010).
Colorado actually a "rainy day" contingency surplus in the state
treasury until (Republican) Governor Bill Owens divvied it up and sent
checks -- you could call them "cash grants", I suppose -- to taxpayers.
Now, there's no surplus and things like elementary school and higher
education and temporary assistance to needy families (not to mention
the DMV) have been cut to the bone.
I'm sure you are happily singing "Only in America".
Ed Pawlowski
May 19, 2012, 2:39:04 PM5/19/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 12:08:12 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
>
>I have nothing concrete to report, but earlier this year there was a
>blurb on the local evening news about a 'growing trend' (I think
>that's how they characterized it) of thieves breaking into cars in the
>parking lot at movie theaters, looking for something (including GPS)
>with your address on it, then visiting the home and breaking in
>without much worry of anyone being home at the time.
>
>There are a few things wrong with that story, not the least of which
>is the fact that just because someone went to the movie doesn't mean
>the whole family went.
News media is just a half step above urban legends. I especially like
the type of story about a car crash in a school yard at 2AM and the
obligatory "if the children were playing, they could have been
killed".
It could happen, and it may have even happened, but the news is not to
take your gps to the movies, I guess.
wrote:
>
>I have nothing concrete to report, but earlier this year there was a
>blurb on the local evening news about a 'growing trend' (I think
>that's how they characterized it) of thieves breaking into cars in the
>parking lot at movie theaters, looking for something (including GPS)
>with your address on it, then visiting the home and breaking in
>without much worry of anyone being home at the time.
>
>There are a few things wrong with that story, not the least of which
>is the fact that just because someone went to the movie doesn't mean
>the whole family went.
the type of story about a car crash in a school yard at 2AM and the
obligatory "if the children were playing, they could have been
killed".
It could happen, and it may have even happened, but the news is not to
take your gps to the movies, I guess.
nob...@nada.com
May 19, 2012, 3:15:59 PM5/19/12
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On Fri, 18 May 2012 06:58:02 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <bt9cr7hjgo7gr7qmf...@4ax.com>,
>my home.
>
>So you take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
>and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house.
>
>Now what?
>
>We'll wait.
Wait for what? For you to get back home and be there before the thief
can do all that?
What not using the real address protects against is the guy who
snatches the GPS and goes. He doesn't rummage through the glove
compartment to double check your address because that takes more time
and increases the chances of being caught. Now all he has is a GPS
that he believes will take him to you house. If he goes right away
there is a chance no one is home. If he has to go through some other
process, his risk gets too high that you will be there.
No it doesn't protect against thieves willing to do more work or take
more risk. But it protects against one likely scenario for someone
snatching your GPS.
It's cost free, requires no PINs, or carrying the GPS with you. It
takes virtually no effort. If you feel that this risk isn't worth
eliminating, don't do it.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <bt9cr7hjgo7gr7qmf...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >ROFL. Have you heard of Google Maps?
>>
>> And everyone has that on a portable device?
>
>It doesn't require a portable device to get turn by turn directions to
>
>> >ROFL. Have you heard of Google Maps?
>>
>> And everyone has that on a portable device?
>
>my home.
>
>So you take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
>and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house.
>
>Now what?
>
>We'll wait.
Wait for what? For you to get back home and be there before the thief
can do all that?
What not using the real address protects against is the guy who
snatches the GPS and goes. He doesn't rummage through the glove
compartment to double check your address because that takes more time
and increases the chances of being caught. Now all he has is a GPS
that he believes will take him to you house. If he goes right away
there is a chance no one is home. If he has to go through some other
process, his risk gets too high that you will be there.
No it doesn't protect against thieves willing to do more work or take
more risk. But it protects against one likely scenario for someone
snatching your GPS.
It's cost free, requires no PINs, or carrying the GPS with you. It
takes virtually no effort. If you feel that this risk isn't worth
eliminating, don't do it.
nob...@nada.com
May 19, 2012, 3:17:58 PM5/19/12
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smartphone does what for them?
Sunshine
May 19, 2012, 3:55:19 PM5/19/12
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Agreed, and that's why I said I have nothing concrete to report. I
suspect they needed a tidbit to fill a gap that night.
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Ed Pawlowski
May 20, 2012, 12:05:05 AM5/20/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:20:54 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <qgcfr7lthr4jd8mb5...@4ax.com>,
>
>So the thief knows by definition that the house is unoccupied and
>unprotected?
>
>Bzzzzzt. Thanks for playing.
>
>All he got was a $60 retail GPS, that even the fences don't want anymore.
Maybe, maybe not. Odds are slightly in his favor that at least some
of the occupants are out of the house. Better than a random pick.
Nothing is guaranteed.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <qgcfr7lthr4jd8mb5...@4ax.com>,
> Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> If your car with gps is stolen, the thief can be at your house before
>> you even know it was stolen and clean you out.
>
>Really?
>
>> If your car with gps is stolen, the thief can be at your house before
>> you even know it was stolen and clean you out.
>
>
>So the thief knows by definition that the house is unoccupied and
>unprotected?
>
>Bzzzzzt. Thanks for playing.
>
>All he got was a $60 retail GPS, that even the fences don't want anymore.
Maybe, maybe not. Odds are slightly in his favor that at least some
of the occupants are out of the house. Better than a random pick.
Nothing is guaranteed.
Mike Lane
May 20, 2012, 7:16:30 AM5/20/12
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nob...@nada.com wrote on May 19, 2012:
> What not using the real address protects against is the guy who
> snatches the GPS and goes. He doesn't rummage through the glove
> compartment to double check your address because that takes more time
> and increases the chances of being caught. Now all he has is a GPS
> that he believes will take him to you house. If he goes right away
> there is a chance no one is home. If he has to go through some other
> process, his risk gets too high that you will be there.
Yes. Most car thieves that I know are also qualified statisticians who
> What not using the real address protects against is the guy who
> snatches the GPS and goes. He doesn't rummage through the glove
> compartment to double check your address because that takes more time
> and increases the chances of being caught. Now all he has is a GPS
> that he believes will take him to you house. If he goes right away
> there is a chance no one is home. If he has to go through some other
> process, his risk gets too high that you will be there.
carefully calculate the probabilities of every possible outcome before
stealing anything.
--
Mike Lane
UK North Yorkshire
mike_lane at mac dot com
nob...@nada.com
May 20, 2012, 7:59:51 AM5/20/12
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:19:37 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <vmrfr759onmh18vv0...@4ax.com>,
"take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house"
A bit more time consuming than hitting "home" on the GPS.
>
>So he has my address. So? What makes him think that "oh, now I know
>this guy is out and about, I'll rush right to his house--which is by my
>definition unoccupied and unprotected by any means--and take all his
>stuff!"
He doesn't know that but he has better oods at your house than a
random choice.
<el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <vmrfr759onmh18vv0...@4ax.com>,
> nob...@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >So you take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
>> >and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house.
>> >
>> >Now what?
>> >
>> >We'll wait.
>>
>> Wait for what? For you to get back home and be there before the thief
>> can do all that?
>
>Before the thief can do all *what*?
>
>> >So you take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
>> >and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house.
>> >
>> >Now what?
>> >
>> >We'll wait.
>>
>> Wait for what? For you to get back home and be there before the thief
>> can do all that?
>
"take my GPS, you take it home, you get my home address off of it,
and you hit Google Maps and find turn by turn directions to my house"
>
>So he has my address. So? What makes him think that "oh, now I know
>this guy is out and about, I'll rush right to his house--which is by my
>definition unoccupied and unprotected by any means--and take all his
>stuff!"
He doesn't know that but he has better oods at your house than a
random choice.
nob...@nada.com
May 20, 2012, 8:04:36 AM5/20/12
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They do play the odds even if they can't calculate them precisely.
They go for the easiest and safest pickings. Why do anything the
pushes the odds toward them?
Sunshine
May 20, 2012, 1:02:22 PM5/20/12
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Car, where the cops rig a car with cameras, remote door locks, and a
remote engine shut-off mechanism, then leave it where someone will
find it. The people who jump in and start to drive it away are NEVER
heard running through the statistical probabilities of a car just
sitting there with the keys in the ignition. They just bless their
good luck and drive away, only to be stopped in a few blocks, locked
inside the car they just stole.
Ed Pawlowski
May 20, 2012, 1:37:43 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 12:02:22 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
>
>Heh. :) There's a low budget TV show here in the States called Bait
>Car, where the cops rig a car with cameras, remote door locks, and a
>remote engine shut-off mechanism, then leave it where someone will
>find it. The people who jump in and start to drive it away are NEVER
>heard running through the statistical probabilities of a car just
>sitting there with the keys in the ignition. They just bless their
>good luck and drive away, only to be stopped in a few blocks, locked
>inside the car they just stole.
I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
seems to be entrapment at its worst.
wrote:
>
>Heh. :) There's a low budget TV show here in the States called Bait
>Car, where the cops rig a car with cameras, remote door locks, and a
>remote engine shut-off mechanism, then leave it where someone will
>find it. The people who jump in and start to drive it away are NEVER
>heard running through the statistical probabilities of a car just
>sitting there with the keys in the ignition. They just bless their
>good luck and drive away, only to be stopped in a few blocks, locked
>inside the car they just stole.
seems to be entrapment at its worst.
Sunshine
May 20, 2012, 2:23:16 PM5/20/12
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should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
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May 20, 2012, 3:53:56 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:23:16 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
wrote:
>>
>>I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>
>I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
Remember being a teenager? We took opportunities. We did not set out
to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
ride.
If you see a $5 bill on the sidewalk, do you pass it by knowing the
rightful owner may come back looking for it?
wrote:
>>
>>I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>
>I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
ride.
If you see a $5 bill on the sidewalk, do you pass it by knowing the
rightful owner may come back looking for it?
Lon
May 20, 2012, 4:00:56 PM5/20/12
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On 5/20/2012 13:53, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:23:16 -0500, Sunshine<suns...@none.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>> seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>>
>> I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>> should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>> to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
>
> Remember being a teenager? We took opportunities. We did not set out
> to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
> may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
> you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
> ride.
Perhaps if something a bit heavier had struck you, even as a teenager,
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:23:16 -0500, Sunshine<suns...@none.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>> seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>>
>> I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>> should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>> to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
>
> Remember being a teenager? We took opportunities. We did not set out
> to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
> may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
> you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
> ride.
you might have not been so sociopathic as to presume that an unattended
vehicle is yours to do with as you please.
Otherwise well behaved kids tend to avoid committing felonies.
> If you see a $5 bill on the sidewalk, do you pass it by knowing the
> rightful owner may come back looking for it?
area for someone looking for it. The larger the bill, the more likely
someone with a sense of conscience or compassion for the victim might be
to even turn in a stray wallet/purse even without money in it as there
may be something else of value to the loss victim.
Unlike turning in a car at your local police station: "I found this
idling at the curb, and it never occurred to me someone might want to
come back and find it where it was left..."
Lon
May 20, 2012, 4:01:20 PM5/20/12
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On 5/20/2012 13:27, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<tpair7lg9ba6lgf23...@4ax.com>,
It isn't even good TV.
> In article<tpair7lg9ba6lgf23...@4ax.com>,
> Ed Pawlowski<e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>> seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>
> No, not at all.
>
>> I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>> seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>
It isn't even good TV.
Sunshine
May 20, 2012, 5:13:02 PM5/20/12
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On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:53:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:23:16 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>>seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>>
>>I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>>should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>>to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
>
>Remember being a teenager? We took opportunities. We did not set out
>to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
>may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
>you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
>ride.
When I was a kid, no one locked their house doors and everyone left
>On Sun, 20 May 2012 13:23:16 -0500, Sunshine <suns...@none.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>I'm 100% against car theft, but the bait car (and things like it) just
>>>seems to be entrapment at its worst.
>>
>>I don't entirely disagree there, but a big part of me thinks you
>>should be able to park a car and come back to it later. It seems wrong
>>to hop in and drive someone else's car, even when it's easy to do so.
>
>Remember being a teenager? We took opportunities. We did not set out
>to do damage or irritate others, but if an opportunity struck us, we
>may go for it. Same with a car with keys. If it is right in front of
>you, good possibility some otherwise well behaved kids will take a
>ride.
their car keys in the ignition. I come from a small town of about 35
people, though. There were no garages, so in theory I could have
driven anyone's car, but I didn't because it just seemed wrong.
Likewise, these days people leave their cars running in the winter
when they stop for coffee or a donut on the way to work. Many come
back out to find the car gone, but it's still wrong. Not every
opportunity needs to be jumped on.
>If you see a $5 bill on the sidewalk, do you pass it by knowing the
>rightful owner may come back looking for it?
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