To everyone......read..please
Michael Allred
Throughout my life I've always had a distinct dislike of religion..of
any kind. Even as a child I knew how wrong it was for people to be lead
around like dogs (but it was worse to ALLOW yourself to be lead.) I
never believed in "God" and had a hard time just "going along" with it
all, even though my mother and oldest brother are christians.
Perhaps what made me *so* against religion were the "followers" I
encountered..the biggest liars, hypocrites that ever existed. They'll
tell you to love your fellow man......unless he's a homosexual 'cuz then
you have to kill him! What bullshit.
I am an atheist....I choose not to place my faith in anything or
anyone..other than in myself. I could never even step into a church as I
would feel soooo fake doing so. Besides, what reason would I have?
Having said that, there has always been an, how should i say? attraction
to satanism. True, my exposure to it has been almost solely through the
media (anything from old "Geraldo" shows to "The Exorcist") in which I
was told it's "evil, bad and will destroy your life." Of course I never
believed that.
Why was/am I attracted to satanism? I'm not really sure. I keep thinking
that there's something 'more' there, there's so much I don't know about
it and the funny thing is, I want to learn. Other than combing the net
(which, after a while, all the sites become redundent) I don't know
where to start. What's what, etc.
So here I am, asking for help, perhaps guidance, pointing me towards
places for me to learn about it...then making up my mind.
From what I've read so far, most of what satanism is about, I've always
felt..how I lived my life so naturally, I can relate to it far better
than christianity.
I'd hate to think I'm operating under some sort of "romantic" notion of
satanism or what I've been shown in movies.
I want to communicate and talk with satanists, learn and explore (it
would be nice if there were others close to me but I live in Michigan,
near the Indiana border so I'm kinda doubting it.......)
but even if it's through e-mail or whatever, that's fine.
This all really started tonight with this new found 'desire'....so now
I'm here. Icould go on and on but realize this post is rather lengthy
as is so I'll wrap up.
I think I've made my communication clear and I hope someone will respond
in a thoughtful, mature and intelligent manner (unlike *some* of the
posts I've read tonight.)
I'm 23 and I'm gay. If my sexuality is a problem with you then simply
disregard what I've said. We have no use for each other. Though I should
point out that (in my readings so far) as a whole, satanism has NO
problem with homosexuality. As long as it is consenting adults engaging
in activiies which harm no one, it is all fine and good.
Ok, I'm done. I do look forward to hearing from...someone.
~Michael
Spectre&TheBeatCat
Michael Allred wrote:
>
> Ok, where to start?
>
> Throughout my life I've always had a distinct dislike of religion..of
> any kind. Even as a child I knew how wrong it was for people to be lead
> around like dogs (but it was worse to ALLOW yourself to be lead.) I
> never believed in "God" and had a hard time just "going along" with it
> all, even though my mother and oldest brother are christians.
>
> Perhaps what made me *so* against religion were the "followers" I
> encountered..the biggest liars, hypocrites that ever existed. They'll
> tell you to love your fellow man......unless he's a homosexual 'cuz then
> you have to kill him! What bullshit.
Those sorts of people exist in every group - including Satanism. It's
more personality or character than chosen religion.
>
> I am an atheist....I choose not to place my faith in anything or
> anyone..other than in myself. I could never even step into a church as I
> would feel soooo fake doing so. Besides, what reason would I have?
If you have no reason to be there, sure, why bother going? Personally,
I enjoy looking through older churches - the architect, stained glass,
huge statues - churches these days are starting to look like every other
building. At one time there was pride and care building them. Some of
them are very beautiful.
>
> Having said that, there has always been an, how should i say? attraction
> to satanism. True, my exposure to it has been almost solely through the
> media (anything from old "Geraldo" shows to "The Exorcist") in which I
> was told it's "evil, bad and will destroy your life." Of course I never
> believed that.
>
> Why was/am I attracted to satanism? I'm not really sure. I keep thinking
> that there's something 'more' there, there's so much I don't know about
> it and the funny thing is, I want to learn. Other than combing the net
> (which, after a while, all the sites become redundent) I don't know
> where to start. What's what, etc.
The most you will learn from other people is how other people view
'their' Satanism. You are, really, on your own. I was in your
situation not too long ago. I learned more of what Satanism 'isn't' to
me, than what it is. It takes time, patience, a lot of reading and
thinking, and of course interacting with other Satanists, to form into
something more concrete what is inside you. What helped me a bit also,
something that only can be done during winter months, is writing what I
'think' I'm thinking. If you are interested, the address of what I have
so far is at the bottom. It gave me the chance to read all at once my
thoughts on a particular subject. To look at it very critically, and
figure out exactly why I thought that way.
>
> So here I am, asking for help, perhaps guidance, pointing me towards
> places for me to learn about it...then making up my mind.
The best place to learn about it is inside yourself. Interaction with
others helps quite well. Discussions about things you aren't sure of.
You may be told something that makes complete sense that you never
thought of before, or you may change your mind about something because
someone offers a different perspective, or you can pick up pieces of
things here and there. Just never lose who you are.
>
> From what I've read so far, most of what satanism is about, I've always
> felt..how I lived my life so naturally, I can relate to it far better
> than christianity.
Yes, it is about living life naturally, being your true self. Something
of that nature 'should' be easy to relate to, unfortunately, there are
those who are afraid of who they truly are.
>
> I'd hate to think I'm operating under some sort of "romantic" notion of
> satanism or what I've been shown in movies.
It is what you make it.
>
> I want to communicate and talk with satanists, learn and explore (it
> would be nice if there were others close to me but I live in Michigan,
> near the Indiana border so I'm kinda doubting it.......)
> but even if it's through e-mail or whatever, that's fine.
>
> This all really started tonight with this new found 'desire'....so now
> I'm here. Icould go on and on but realize this post is rather lengthy
> as is so I'll wrap up.
>
> I think I've made my communication clear and I hope someone will respond
> in a thoughtful, mature and intelligent manner (unlike *some* of the
> posts I've read tonight.)
>
> I'm 23 and I'm gay. If my sexuality is a problem with you then simply
> disregard what I've said. We have no use for each other. Though I should
> point out that (in my readings so far) as a whole, satanism has NO
> problem with homosexuality. As long as it is consenting adults engaging
> in activiies which harm no one, it is all fine and good.
Sex should be enjoyable for everyone, who ever the chosen partner(s)
is. However, one should not choose their 'religion' by that alone.
Live your life as you choose. Don't label yourself. In reality, the
label means nothing.
Spectre
Spectre&TheBeatCat
Spectre&TheBeatCat wrote:
If you are interested, the address of what I have
> so far is at the bottom. It gave me the chance to read all at once my
> thoughts on a particular subject. To look at it very critically, and
> figure out exactly why I thought that way.
>
> >
Silly me........
Underground Panther
Spectre&TheBeatCat <free...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
news:37E7D3B4...@sprint.ca...
>
Well Said about the Satanism stuff Spectre!!!! Yowza!!!!Applause!!
Btw... I like old gothic churches and graveyards too.
I went in the oldest church in the United states..the Basilica of the
assumption (tucked in the pentagram)and it had big marble statues that were
well carved..beautiful feathers....and looking at the little dove wayyy up
in the dome centre made me dizzy ...it was a symphony of color swirling
around the ceiling dome.Old churches still hold great art.One day I'd love
to see the Sistine chapel,and see Michalangelo's work in person.
It would probably blow my mind.Art that is truly beautiful sometimes
actually makes me cry.
I am taking a course in making my own stained glass ,the second installment
starts soon I can't wait!!!
I hope to do a huge beautiful multi colored pagan'devilish' feline themed
work.I mean to take the jeweled tones of a Luciferan sunrise and the
gemstone tones of a crystaline grotto and decorate my windows with the
gorgeous pagan art of ages past with the deep love of all things of beauty
like I have in me. Imagine if the ancient Babylonians,Egyptians or Greeks
had the technology of stained glass..*sigh*It would be breathtaking.
I have loved stained glass since I was a kid,I'm so glad stained glass isn't
just for churches anymore..:)
Something that beautiful needs to be out shown and gazed apon by everyone
with a rainbow full of sparkles,and a sense of wonder inside them.
Taker easy you Beat Cat,
Da Panther.
Spectre&TheBeatCat
Underground Panther wrote:
>
> Spectre&TheBeatCat <free...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
> news:37E7D3B4...@sprint.ca...
> >
> Well Said about the Satanism stuff Spectre!!!! Yowza!!!!Applause!!
Thank you! :::Bow to the left......bow to the right:::
>
> Btw... I like old gothic churches and graveyards too.
> I went in the oldest church in the United states..the Basilica of the
> assumption (tucked in the pentagram)and it had big marble statues that were
> well carved..beautiful feathers....and looking at the little dove wayyy up
> in the dome centre made me dizzy ...it was a symphony of color swirling
> around the ceiling dome.Old churches still hold great art.One day I'd love
> to see the Sistine chapel,and see Michalangelo's work in person.
> It would probably blow my mind.Art that is truly beautiful sometimes
> actually makes me cry.
Unfortunately, my 'church gazing' is mostly from books and
documentaries, although there is some nice architectural work around
here and surrounding area. A lot of very small one room churches hidden
in small communities, some converted into homes (which I think is
splendid! if it meant destroying the church otherwise). And a lot of
the huge churches that stand above all the trees and buildings around
it. I would like to eventually see churches all around the world,
famous or not.
I like very little art, compared to what is out there. Art, for me,
should stir some sort of emotion. Not the "Well that's nice isn't it"
sort of emotion, but fear or love or longing, or thought of course.
My husband and I were driving somewhere one night (I can't remember -
not important) but we were going on and on about how thick the fog was.
Then it dawned on us - why the hell aren't we out photographing this???
So we drove home as slow/quick as we could, grabbed our equipment and
set off into the night. We got some cool shots. Unfortunately, the
can't-see-one-foot-in-front fog lifted quickly, but some of it hung
around long enough to get on film. We stopped at a few cemeteries, good
practice for night photography!, and we got a few really good shots. We
are waiting for another foggy night to try again, now that we know more
about it.
>
> I am taking a course in making my own stained glass ,the second installment
> starts soon I can't wait!!!
> I hope to do a huge beautiful multi colored pagan'devilish' feline themed
> work.I mean to take the jeweled tones of a Luciferan sunrise and the
> gemstone tones of a crystaline grotto and decorate my windows with the
> gorgeous pagan art of ages past with the deep love of all things of beauty
> like I have in me. Imagine if the ancient Babylonians,Egyptians or Greeks
> had the technology of stained glass..*sigh*It would be breathtaking.
> I have loved stained glass since I was a kid,I'm so glad stained glass isn't
> just for churches anymore..:)
> Something that beautiful needs to be out shown and gazed apon by everyone
> with a rainbow full of sparkles,and a sense of wonder inside them.
My husband (I was working) visited 'some place' that sold statues and
stained glass. He said a lot of it was bought from torn down churches,
and some where monstrous in size. Unfortunately, he wasn't planning on
buying anything big that day, but came home with a small stained glass
window (from an old house I believe). Sort of art deco looking, a
scarab type shape in the middle with different rectangular coloured
plains around it, and 2 flower looking designs coming out from either
side (hard to explain of course). It is hanging in the window in our
bedroom. It's so nice in the morning with the sun shining through. The
problem I find with modern stained glass is that it's so cute and
countryish. Ech! We'd eventually like to add more stained glass
throughout the house. We've painted in dark 'full deep' colours -
burgundyish/cranberry, really dark blue, etc. - so the stained glass we
choose will definitely hold the same deepness in colour. It will be an
adventure trying to find them! I haven't quite decided on what sort of
patterns and/or 'pictures' I want, but I'm sure I'll fall easily in love
with something!
Let me know how the classes are going........I'd love to see your work.
Your hep,
Spectre
Lord_H
provide some "guidance." I myself am only 19, but I have gone through
the self-conversion to Satanism, and recognize all of the patterns
and steps very well.
In article <7082-37E...@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
evil...@webtv.net (Michael Allred) wrote:
> Throughout my life I've always had a distinct dislike of religion..of
> any kind. Even as a child I knew how wrong it was for people to be
lead
> around like dogs (but it was worse to ALLOW yourself to be lead.) I
> never believed in "God" and had a hard time just "going along" with it
> all, even though my mother and oldest brother are christians.
All understandable. Many Satanists started out this way, others
were lucky enough to never be submerged in the Christian bullshit
at all. "Satanists are born, not made," and so at some point
even a strongly-indoctrinated Satanist realizes what's going on
and decides to free him/herself from the mental bondage and baggage
of Christianity.
> Perhaps what made me *so* against religion were the "followers" I
> encountered..the biggest liars, hypocrites that ever existed. They'll
> tell you to love your fellow man......unless he's a homosexual 'cuz
then
> you have to kill him! What bullshit.
Arbitrary moral rules like that are ridiculous. A
government/religion should only prohibit things that directly harm
others beyond a certain reasonable tolerance.
I say this, because otherwise you could rationalize banning red meat
and cigarettes, but people choose to indulge themselves and the often
disastrous results are usually not immediate or necessarily disastrous
at all. Things like rape, murder, and theft make sense. They directly
impact the life of another, and if they weren't prohibited, there
would be no personal freedom. Too much restriction has the same
results. Nature teaches us that the best results lie in balance
between extremes.
Satanism is about balancing rational self-interest and carnal living
with dogmatic fantasy and emotional ritualization.
> I am an atheist....I choose not to place my faith in anything or
> anyone..other than in myself. I could never even step into a church as
I
> would feel soooo fake doing so. Besides, what reason would I have?
Why should you? I haven't stepped in one for at least eight years,
that was during a funeral. I absolutely loathe Christian funerals.
There's nothing like a group of sobbing people being told by the
priest that they _should_ be rejoicing! Why the FUCK are they
so instinctually depressed and traumatized? It's obvious!
The crowd takes the priest's words to heart, they claim to
understand what he means; but what do they FEEL, and why?
Is it mere selfishness as a die-hard Christian would say (I want
him here, not with god!) or a carnal KNOWLEDGE that whoever died
is for all practical purposes NON-EXISTENT. No more potential,
no more accomplishment. Whatever their life was is now a collection
of fragmented, slowly deteriorating memories.
*Ahem*
> Why was/am I attracted to satanism? I'm not really sure. I keep
thinking
> that there's something 'more' there, there's so much I don't know
about
> it and the funny thing is, I want to learn. Other than combing the net
> (which, after a while, all the sites become redundent) I don't know
> where to start. What's what, etc.
The cool thing about Satanism (or my definition at least) is that
it allows for a rational, intelligent human being to be both an
atheist AND a powerful magician. Many Satanists don't practice
magic because they don't need to, but they should at least understand
the significance. "Belief is a means to an end" for the Satanist,
which means that for the most part you ARE without belief until
you NEED its power to get results.
The power of emotion is absolutely undeniable, and Satanism
recognizes this. The mythological Satan was cast down from
heaven for being emotional, and for having knowledge. Had he
not his own feelings and decision-making capability, there would
be no Satan, and there would be no heavily-imbalanced duality for
Christians to enslave the masses with! Satan was the most
powerful and beautiful angel under god, and he chose (based on
his sound reasoning and ability) to defy him, regardless of the
consequences!
> So here I am, asking for help, perhaps guidance, pointing me towards
> places for me to learn about it...then making up my mind.
Read _The Satanic Bible_, _The Devil's Notebook_, et al. by Anton
LaVey. They are the works of a Satanist, the first Satanist to
actually assemble his thoughts and combine them with others
to formulate a religion by the name "Satanism."
> From what I've read so far, most of what satanism is about, I've
always
> felt..how I lived my life so naturally, I can relate to it far better
> than christianity.
If it feels incredibly natural, you probably are a Satanist. You'll
find yourself saying "I'm not a Satanist, I just agree with a lot of it"
for awhile, too. Many people require time to transit between
"I like Satanism" and "I am a Satanist."
> I'd hate to think I'm operating under some sort of "romantic" notion
of
> satanism or what I've been shown in movies.
Read the books and find out.
> I want to communicate and talk with satanists, learn and explore (it
> would be nice if there were others close to me but I live in Michigan,
> near the Indiana border so I'm kinda doubting it.......)
> but even if it's through e-mail or whatever, that's fine.
You may want to check out the SatanNet Message board at
www.satannet.com. You can ask more about Satanism there but I
guarantee the most general response will be "read the Satanic Bible."
It is best to have an understanding based on what resources are
readily available (books, essays, etc) before you begin asking
questions. Many are answered already, and sometimes your questions
will be met with agitation and contempt if the interrogee has
already answered it a thousand times before. You can find plenty
of essays about Satanism for free on the web. I'd advise you to
read any by Anton LaVey and Magister Peter Gilmore. You can find
the basics on SatanNet.
> I think I've made my communication clear and I hope someone will
respond
> in a thoughtful, mature and intelligent manner (unlike *some* of the
> posts I've read tonight.)
That is up for you to decide; hopefully I have given you some idea of
what to look for and expect.
> I'm 23 and I'm gay. If my sexuality is a problem with you then simply
> disregard what I've said. We have no use for each other. Though I
should
> point out that (in my readings so far) as a whole, satanism has NO
> problem with homosexuality. As long as it is consenting adults
engaging
> in activiies which harm no one, it is all fine and good.
Correct. Any Satanist who claims otherwise has a personal bias and
nothing more.
Hail Satan!
Chaos Reigns!
--
"To look upon the distress of the masses with an
ironic melancholy: they want something we are
capable of -- ah!" -- Nietzsche
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Underground Panther
>
>
> Underground Panther wrote:
> >
> > Spectre&TheBeatCat <free...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
> > news:37E7D3B4...@sprint.ca...
> > >
> > Well Said about the Satanism stuff Spectre!!!! Yowza!!!!Applause!!
>
> Thank you! :::Bow to the left......bow to the right:::
crappachino into the deep red design of deeply stained dusky underground
club room carpet..as the cigarrette haze hung in a lazy coursing fog
..drifting in contrast to the rythm and sway below,in etherial arial
stillness at midlevel.fogggy ....The hovering mist is cut through by the
single hot white beam splashing on the one and only Beatcat bowing
profusely in an array of falling ashes from his cigarette falling to the
floor like tiny itty bitty meteors. dying in the abyss carpet ..as his head
bobs in and out of the diffused column pooling on the stage at his black
furry feet... Waahhadadada...
>
> Unfortunately, my 'church gazing' is mostly from books and
> documentaries, although there is some nice architectural work around
> here and surrounding area. A lot of very small one room churches hidden
> in small communities, some converted into homes (which I think is
> splendid! if it meant destroying the church otherwise). And a lot of
> the huge churches that stand above all the trees and buildings around
> it. I would like to eventually see churches all around the world,
> famous or not.
Sheesh Maybe someday we could 'tour ' together.:)
>
> I like very little art, compared to what is out there. Art, for me,
> should stir some sort of emotion. Not the "Well that's nice isn't it"
> sort of emotion, but fear or love or longing, or thought of course.
I feel the same way.I am really picky about art too.Art is such a personal
experince.
>
> My husband and I were driving somewhere one night (I can't remember -
> not important) but we were going on and on about how thick the fog was.
> Then it dawned on us - why the hell aren't we out photographing this???
> So we drove home as slow/quick as we could, grabbed our equipment and
> set off into the night. We got some cool shots. Unfortunately, the
> can't-see-one-foot-in-front fog lifted quickly, but some of it hung
> around long enough to get on film.
OOOh goody!! you gonna put those up when they are developed??I wanna see
wanna see! Btw your photographs kick ass.The use of form,shape is awesome.
We stopped at a few cemeteries, good
> practice for night photography!, and we got a few really good shots. We
> are waiting for another foggy night to try again, now that we know more
> about it.
Hey it takes time to learn.When I went to Florida I wanted to take pictures
of the incredible cool fog that morning,I just got a few cheezoid snapshots
out the car window..had a plane to catch!But it was enough of a study to
work from artistically.
The
> problem I find with modern stained glass is that it's so cute and
> countryish. Ech!
Eeeech is right..The reason so much cutesey crap is done is because it's a
no brainer, people lack the dedication to the Skill and dillagence to cut
out the teeny pieces ,fix each one, to apply shading and bust thier ass on
it.
Stained glass is repetitivework somewhat ,Sometimes I think some people just
want to have any kind of stuff without putting the nesessary blood sweat
and tears into it.Real art has the pain of creation expressed in it.That's
why it hurts in that emotionally beautiful way when you look at it. It's
alive with beauty.
The Maya considered artists to be bringing forth their concept of thier own
soul into this world,giving birth to the self,creation was a fevered thing,a
painful thing..and it is..Art born as god in the creative efforts of the
shaping stone,carving clay ect.They saw art as a type of reality
alteration,a child born from the mind and hands of the self/god .It was a
way to connect between worlds. Art and artists were a sacred thing to them
and did you know,Mayan artists unlike the Egyptians, were expected to sign
thier work even if it was for someone else??And they had a ethical code
about art similar to copyright?? Cool huh?( this is part of the religion of
part of the cultures where the Underground Panther comes from)
We'd eventually like to add more stained glass
> throughout the house. We've painted in dark 'full deep' colours -
> burgundyish/cranberry, really dark blue, etc. - so the stained glass we
> choose will definitely hold the same deepness in colour. It will be an
> adventure trying to find them! I haven't quite decided on what sort of
> patterns and/or 'pictures' I want, but I'm sure I'll fall easily in love
> with something!
That sounds very beautiful is there any way you could'rough'out a sketch the
pattern of your new window?? and send it to me??I'd like to see it.
I loove those rich full royal deep jewel tones.They are the most beautiful
by far,(and sometimes the most expensive)Rubyglass ,cobalt blue glass,deep
emerald,amber, it gives me shivers.Some of the glass out there in my
catalogs is wayy cool .
They got ditchrotic glass that has colored metal in it fused through an
electric current run through the molten glass,, baroque with it's dramatic
3d swirls,Youghineny stipple,(orgasm) and all sorts of wonderous stuff for
the eyes and all sorts of iridesent finishes,fascinating textures ect.Just
looking at the beauty of the various types of glass itself is an eye candy
rush,let alone imagining all the things you can make with it.
Did you know there is even a kind of glass that changes it's color,from pink
to blue depending on the type of light??That stuff is wicked!
>
> Let me know how the classes are going........I'd love to see your work.
I will I'm gonna be slowing down on it and doing just the glass assignments
because My photoshop and web courses are starting up next week..man it's
gonna be BUSY!!
But when I get some pieces done really well and get out the design kinks,and
hone my soldering to be better and smoother I'll definately take pictures
and send them to ya later on..ok?And I'm gonna be getting a Taurus ring saw
soon,....drool drool drool... :)
>
> Your hep,
So are you kitty
Da Panther...
Spectre&TheBeatCat
Underground Panther wrote:
>
> Spectre&TheBeatCat <free...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
> news:37E83402...@sprint.ca...
> >
> >
> > Underground Panther wrote:
> > >
> > > Spectre&TheBeatCat <free...@sprint.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:37E7D3B4...@sprint.ca...
> > > >
> > > Well Said about the Satanism stuff Spectre!!!! Yowza!!!!Applause!!
> >
> > Thank you! :::Bow to the left......bow to the right:::
> The panther rattles the bongos staccatto style... knocking the half drained
> crappachino into the deep red design of deeply stained dusky underground
> club room carpet..as the cigarrette haze hung in a lazy coursing fog
> ..drifting in contrast to the rythm and sway below,in etherial arial
> stillness at midlevel.fogggy ....The hovering mist is cut through by the
> single hot white beam splashing on the one and only Beatcat bowing
> profusely in an array of falling ashes from his cigarette falling to the
> floor like tiny itty bitty meteors. dying in the abyss carpet ..as his head
> bobs in and out of the diffused column pooling on the stage at his black
> furry feet... Waahhadadada...
LOL! Wonderful!
> >I would like to eventually see churches all around the world,
> > famous or not.
> Sheesh Maybe someday we could 'tour ' together.:)
Maybe! But we'd have to pack a big lunch...I get nasty when I'm hungry!
> >
> > I like very little art, compared to what is out there. Art, for me,
> > should stir some sort of emotion. Not the "Well that's nice isn't it"
> > sort of emotion, but fear or love or longing, or thought of course.
>
> I feel the same way.I am really picky about art too.Art is such a personal
> experince.
It is really! We actually have very little art work in our home - we
just never seem to find what we are looking for. We have gargoyles and
statues, those sorts of things, but paintings that hold something for us
are hard to find. Of course, the husband I have has different taste
than I do. It makes it even harder to find something we both like!
We'd like to blow up our own photo's and hang them around the house, but
again, we haven't been able to choose which ones we would both like. So
far *I've* decided on the Shiva-like photo, and one of the sax photo's.
But since we are still redoing the house, we have time. Hmmm, I think
one of the cemetery shot's would also look good, now that I think about
it. One painting my husband has always loved is "Nocturne in Blue"
(sp?). I know if we ever saw that painting anywhere, regardless of
cost, we'd be coming home with it.
> >
> > My husband and I were driving somewhere one night (I can't remember -
> > not important) but we were going on and on about how thick the fog was.
> > Then it dawned on us - why the hell aren't we out photographing this???
> > So we drove home as slow/quick as we could, grabbed our equipment and
> > set off into the night. We got some cool shots. Unfortunately, the
> > can't-see-one-foot-in-front fog lifted quickly, but some of it hung
> > around long enough to get on film.
>
> OOOh goody!! you gonna put those up when they are developed??I wanna see
> wanna see! Btw your photographs kick ass.The use of form,shape is awesome.
Thanks again!! ;) I'll send some scans over to you. Our page hasn't
been updated in a long time, and I don't think we want to add them to it
(when we do finally get to it!). I 'like' the photo's we have done up
until now, but I want to go in a different direction with them. I'd
like to try something more 'dark arsty farsty'. Get even more simple
with 'what' we take photo's of, and more experimental in the darkroom.
But when we do spend time in the darkroom, it's not out of the ordinary
to be in there for 12 hours at a time, sometimes longer, so it's
something (of course) I'll have to wait until the business is done for
the year to do.
>
> We stopped at a few cemeteries, good
> > practice for night photography!, and we got a few really good shots. We
> > are waiting for another foggy night to try again, now that we know more
> > about it.
> Hey it takes time to learn.When I went to Florida I wanted to take pictures
> of the incredible cool fog that morning,I just got a few cheezoid snapshots
> out the car window..had a plane to catch!But it was enough of a study to
> work from artistically.
> The
> > problem I find with modern stained glass is that it's so cute and
> > countryish. Ech!
>
> Eeeech is right..The reason so much cutesey crap is done is because it's a
> no brainer, people lack the dedication to the Skill and dillagence to cut
> out the teeny pieces ,fix each one, to apply shading and bust thier ass on
> it.
> Stained glass is repetitivework somewhat ,Sometimes I think some people just
> want to have any kind of stuff without putting the nesessary blood sweat
> and tears into it.Real art has the pain of creation expressed in it.That's
> why it hurts in that emotionally beautiful way when you look at it. It's
> alive with beauty.
Photography is the same. You can develop the same photo 10 times to get
it 'just right'. I think the words to describe 'modern art' would be
pleasant, non threatening, spring day. A lot of art is produced by
people with little creativity, and a lot of time on their hands. I'm
not knocking their 'passion to paint', but it seems there is very little
passion put into what they paint (or whatever it is they do). They are
satisfied if it looks 'nice', and most people are. There are too many
passionless people in the world, I think, when it comes to art.
>
> The Maya considered artists to be bringing forth their concept of thier own
> soul into this world,giving birth to the self,creation was a fevered thing,a
> painful thing..and it is..Art born as god in the creative efforts of the
> shaping stone,carving clay ect.They saw art as a type of reality
> alteration,a child born from the mind and hands of the self/god .It was a
> way to connect between worlds. Art and artists were a sacred thing to them
> and did you know,Mayan artists unlike the Egyptians, were expected to sign
> thier work even if it was for someone else??And they had a ethical code
> about art similar to copyright?? Cool huh?( this is part of the religion of
> part of the cultures where the Underground Panther comes from)
Yes, art is like a 'birth' in a sense. It is something one creates from
within. It starts as an idea or feeling, and is slowly put into
something that is touchable, seeable, holdable. Someone's emotion turns
into someone's sculpture. Someone's distaste turns into his/her
painting. Grief turns into a beautiful musical piece. Feeling/thought
becomes tangible with art. Art is sort of an unspoken language.
Something that is understood without words. It should be anyway.
History was always my worst subject, any history. I have no idea how I
passed it in highshool! That is interesting about the Mayan artists.
In my family history, there is probably nothing more than the art of
drinking, and the art of whining (British and Ukrainian). Another of my
3rd cousins (somewhere in Australia I think) is a painter. I saw a
picture of what she does, it did nothing for me, but I guess she sells
them. I'm not sure.
>
> We'd eventually like to add more stained glass
> > throughout the house. We've painted in dark 'full deep' colours -
> > burgundyish/cranberry, really dark blue, etc. - so the stained glass we
> > choose will definitely hold the same deepness in colour. It will be an
> > adventure trying to find them! I haven't quite decided on what sort of
> > patterns and/or 'pictures' I want, but I'm sure I'll fall easily in love
> > with something!
>
> That sounds very beautiful is there any way you could'rough'out a sketch the
> pattern of your new window?? and send it to me??I'd like to see it.
I will. It's very simple. But I like it for the scarab design. The
room it is in is painted a white/yellow/gold sponged design, so it
matches well I think. The room came like that when we moved in, and I
never thought I'd like yellow paint on the walls! But I do I guess. We
have a plaque hanging there also. It is stone with yellowish highlights
painted on. It's one of the new 'gargoyle/stone stuff' trends, but it
also matches well, and it reminds me of my little boy Sputnik who we
lost in the spring (He is the True BeatCat!). I think it's called The
Dying Soldier. A lion in a cave or something, holding on to a shield,
and he is dying. It's very sad. I thought so when I bought it, but
after we buried Sput, it just seemed so much more so. I'm sure many
people could look at it and see just a stone plaque of a lion, and I
wouldn't necessarily say it's very artistic in how it looks - it's very
simple, but it stirs up so much emotion. That is what art should do.
That is why people should by art. Not just because it 'looks nice'.
(Ok I'm repeating myself now).
>
> I loove those rich full royal deep jewel tones.They are the most beautiful
> by far,(and sometimes the most expensive)Rubyglass ,cobalt blue glass,deep
> emerald,amber, it gives me shivers.Some of the glass out there in my
> catalogs is wayy cool .
> They got ditchrotic glass that has colored metal in it fused through an
> electric current run through the molten glass,, baroque with it's dramatic
> 3d swirls,Youghineny stipple,(orgasm) and all sorts of wonderous stuff for
> the eyes and all sorts of iridesent finishes,fascinating textures ect.Just
> looking at the beauty of the various types of glass itself is an eye candy
> rush,let alone imagining all the things you can make with it.
> Did you know there is even a kind of glass that changes it's color,from pink
> to blue depending on the type of light??That stuff is wicked!
LOL! I know very little about stained glass except that I like how it
looks! I've never seen that colour changing glass, but I'm sure I'd
like it! (Being a woman, I like sparkly things!)
> >
> > Let me know how the classes are going........I'd love to see your work.
>
> I will I'm gonna be slowing down on it and doing just the glass assignments
> because My photoshop and web courses are starting up next week..man it's
> gonna be BUSY!!
> But when I get some pieces done really well and get out the design kinks,and
> hone my soldering to be better and smoother I'll definately take pictures
> and send them to ya later on..ok?And I'm gonna be getting a Taurus ring saw
> soon,....drool drool drool... :)
I'll send some stuff your way. I have no idea what a Taurus ring saw
is! I'm looking forward to being busy with photography, and not work!,
this winter.
The cigarette, how it burns.
The fog, how it burns.
The carpet, ruined.
Now black as my feet.
(Teehee)
Spectre
werther
Antichrist" by Nietzsche and "The Prince" by Machiavelli and you're well on
your way...
Michael Allred <evil...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7082-37E...@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Ok, where to start?
>
> Throughout my life I've always had a distinct dislike of religion..of
> any kind. Even as a child I knew how wrong it was for people to be lead
> around like dogs (but it was worse to ALLOW yourself to be lead.) I
> never believed in "God" and had a hard time just "going along" with it
> all, even though my mother and oldest brother are christians.
>
> encountered..the biggest liars, hypocrites that ever existed. They'll
> tell you to love your fellow man......unless he's a homosexual 'cuz then
> you have to kill him! What bullshit.
>
> anyone..other than in myself. I could never even step into a church as I
> would feel soooo fake doing so. Besides, what reason would I have?
>
> to satanism. True, my exposure to it has been almost solely through the
> media (anything from old "Geraldo" shows to "The Exorcist") in which I
> was told it's "evil, bad and will destroy your life." Of course I never
> believed that.
>
> that there's something 'more' there, there's so much I don't know about
> it and the funny thing is, I want to learn. Other than combing the net
> (which, after a while, all the sites become redundent) I don't know
> where to start. What's what, etc.
>
> places for me to learn about it...then making up my mind.
>
> felt..how I lived my life so naturally, I can relate to it far better
> than christianity.
>
> satanism or what I've been shown in movies.
>
> would be nice if there were others close to me but I live in Michigan,
> near the Indiana border so I'm kinda doubting it.......)
> but even if it's through e-mail or whatever, that's fine.
>
> I'm here. Icould go on and on but realize this post is rather lengthy
> as is so I'll wrap up.
>
> in a thoughtful, mature and intelligent manner (unlike *some* of the
> posts I've read tonight.)
>
> disregard what I've said. We have no use for each other. Though I should
> point out that (in my readings so far) as a whole, satanism has NO
> problem with homosexuality. As long as it is consenting adults engaging
> in activiies which harm no one, it is all fine and good.
>