Re: Old Catholic Church (was Re: The Church of Satan: EXPOSED! on Catacomb Paranormal Talk Radio)
koriho...@hotmail.com
> "Day Brown" <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote in message
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> > forevernitefan wrote:
> >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
> >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>
> It's legit, see these
The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist. Some of
his nyms are: Ron Mershon, Temple of Horus, Phosphoros,
Scorpius...and probably more. He has claimed all sorts of exalted
occult grades, so why not be priest in an obscure pseudo-Catholic
sect? Seriously, anyone who wants a good laugh, seach the usenet
archives for 'ron mershon' to read about his antics for
yourselves.
Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.
Luv,
Kori
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic
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> http://occna.org/
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> http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm
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> http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm
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> http://www.orccna.org/history.htm
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> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916/
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> http://www.universalcatholic.com/universalcatholic/Home.html
Comm
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Kori Houghton
> I had no idea that this was Mershon. The photo shown is NOT Mershon, btw.
Tani -- I listened to the podcast at his link, and he flat out sez he
used the nym 'Ron Mershon' to infiltrate occult groups. Whatever his
real name is, he's been trying to attach himself to various orgs for
years. He wasn't very good at being spooky, it seems, because AFAIK
all the occult orgs slammed the door in his face. I am guessing the
quasi-catholics are much less particular. Maybe someone wants to
contact the group he claims to be part of now with some copies of the
tastier Merson posts on usenet AND the link to his podcast?
Personally, I don't care if he pretends to be a satanist or 'dark
side' type practitioner. This has nothing to do with me. But this
guy is an all-purpose parasite. He flickered across my radar just a
bit a few years ago, and so I'll take the virtual fly-swatter to him
occasionally.
Don't know what 'Mershon' was supposed to look like, and don't really
care. If there is a whole crew of idiots using the Mershon nym to go
on Bob Larson, make podcasts, or have websites, that makes for an
interesting story but proves nothing about being 'legit'.
Luv,
Kori
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Comm
didn't read it, but noticed it. I did think it was odd him copy/pasting from
the FCOS site.
Hmm, well, the photos don't match!
Whatever.
"Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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dh
>On Sep 20, 9:21 am, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>> "Day Brown" <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote in message
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>> news:48d4579b$0$26753$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>>
>> > forevernitefan wrote:
>> >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
>> >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>>
>> It's legit, see these
>
>The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
>whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
>to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
>A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.
But what do they DO? Do people just congregate and rejoice
in the supposed non-existence of Satan, sing songs and listen
to sermons about how much they don't exist? Is there a spell
throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
in Satanic Bible School or something? What do people DO in
a "church" devoted to nothing?
Wanda Tinasky
Oh yeah. Mershon/Moran/Moron again. This time as a cathy-lick priest.
Awesome.
On Sep 20, 11:43 am, korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > forevernitefan wrote:
> > >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
> > >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
Sure and I'm the King Of Prussia.
>
> > It's legit, see these
>
> The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
> whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
> to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
> A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist. Some of
> his nyms are: Ron Mershon, Temple of Horus, Phosphoros,
> Scorpius...and probably more. He has claimed all sorts of exalted
> occult grades, so why not be priest in an obscure pseudo-Catholic
> sect? Seriously, anyone who wants a good laugh, seach the usenet
> archives for 'ron mershon' to read about his antics for
> yourselves.
Lest we forget, he also claimed to hold a PhD in Psych from John
Hopkins. The ex was pretty funny as she couldn't string a sentence
together in here without serious grammatical/usage errors (not typos).
I'll always remember his claim that he was going to buy Lavey's "Black
House" and lots of other nonsense. It's funny to remember his
"Halloween Ritual" that turned out to be an amusing bust and the fist
fights he pussed out on in the last minute with Filan and Vince
Crowley (et. al).
Boxing:
Mershon's PhD and boxing:
(This one is damn funny as it shows Mershon challenging people to show
up at his door -- then threatening to call the cops if they stop
by....)
So I guess after the Art Bell crowd found him to be a fraud (it takes
an enormous effort to convince these cretins anyone is a liar) he
misses his radio interviews with the Kook Set.
>
> Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.
She still around? Wow. Guess Curio hasn't successfully sued her yet.
Luv,
Wanda
> Luv,
> Kori
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> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic
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> >http://occna.org/
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> >http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm
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> >http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm
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> >http://www.orccna.org/history.htm
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> >http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916/
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Kori Houghton
> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT), korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >On Sep 20, 9:21 am, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
> >> "Day Brown" <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote in message
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> >>news:48d4579b$0$26753$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
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> >> > forevernitefan wrote:
> >> >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
> >> >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>
> >> It's legit, see these
>
> >The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
> >whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
> >to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
> >A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.
>
> But what do they DO? Do people just congregate and rejoice
> in the supposed non-existence of Satan, sing songs and listen
> to sermons about how much they don't exist?
I think this is a question about the Church of Satan?
I dunno exactly what they do since I'm not a member. But you might
learn something about what COS gatherings are like by actually reading
The Satanic Bible, The Satanic Rituals, and other materials in print
or on the web. Maybe getting over your preconceived notions about
what you think the COS is might help you understand what you read;
maybe not. You may simply be too thick headed or too poorly educated
about Western culture circa mid-1960s to 'get it'.
> Is there a spell
> throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
> in Satanic Bible School or something?
Uh, aren't you confusing COS with Harry Potter here? Or maybe Tani
Jantsang's 'Satanic Reds'? You know, the ray that is not a ray and
all that jive? Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
basis of COS philosophy. As much as a non-member like myself can
judge, anyway.
> What do people DO in
> a "church" devoted to nothing?
Do you consider yourself, your life and its purpose to be 'nothing'?
Perhaps in your case, this line of reasoning is correct....
Luv,
Kori
Kori Houghton
> Hey Kori:
Hey there, Wanda! Please see in.
>
> Oh yeah. Mershon/Moran/Moron again. This time as a cathy-lick priest.
> Awesome.
Not really. A Universal Life Church ordained minister, goth DJ,
paranormal groupie and all around poseur.
https://ulc.net/index.php?page=minister_data&id=10384
>
> On Sep 20, 11:43 am, korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > forevernitefan wrote:
> > > >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
> > > >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>
> Sure and I'm the King Of Prussia.
One never knows LOL
>
>
> > > It's legit, see these
>
> > The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
> > whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
> > to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
> > A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist. Some of
> > his nyms are: Ron Mershon, Temple of Horus, Phosphoros,
> > Scorpius...and probably more. He has claimed all sorts of exalted
> > occult grades, so why not be priest in an obscure pseudo-Catholic
> > sect? Seriously, anyone who wants a good laugh, seach the usenet
> > archives for 'ron mershon' to read about his antics for
> > yourselves.
>
> Lest we forget, he also claimed to hold a PhD in Psych from John
> Hopkins. The ex was pretty funny as she couldn't string a sentence
> together in here without serious grammatical/usage errors (not typos).
> I'll always remember his claim that he was going to buy Lavey's "Black
> House" and lots of other nonsense. It's funny to remember his
> "Halloween Ritual" that turned out to be an amusing bust and the fist
> fights he pussed out on in the last minute with Filan and Vince
> Crowley (et. al).
>
> Boxing:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.satanism/browse_thread/thread/1c5b...
>
> Mershon's PhD and boxing:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.satanism/browse_thread/thread/c2ce...
>
> (This one is damn funny as it shows Mershon challenging people to show
> up at his door -- then threatening to call the cops if they stop
> by....)
And then there is a lot of stuff about some Stephanie person? All
before my time here, but kinda funny all the same. Guess he's single
'cause you can see him registered on vampirefreaks trolling for goth
chix.
http://www.vampirefreaks.com/Garguillio
This d00d is really easy to search on the web, being the only
'garguillio'.
>
> So I guess after the Art Bell crowd found him to be a fraud (it takes
> an enormous effort to convince these cretins anyone is a liar) he
> misses his radio interviews with the Kook Set.
I've never listened to Art Bell. Actually I prefer to read my dose of
k00kiness. Maybe because it's less intimate that way. I've met way
too many k00ks in the flesh in this lifetime, and I think I've
developed an allergy to them.
>
>
>
> > Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.
>
> She still around? Wow. Guess Curio hasn't successfully sued her yet.
Sure. She's just stopped posting as Tani Jantsant (copyright symbol)
and is using her 'Comm' nick. A few weeks ago, she posted some bilge
about having never heard of Curio/Diana Napolis until a few months
ago. Claims she believed for all these years that Curio was Kevin
Filan! Needless to say there are dozens of posts recorded in the
Usenet archives that strongly suggest (if not outright prove)
otherwise. I haven't a clue why Diana has included Tani in her suit,
but lying about knowing who Curio is/was makes Tani look like she is
hiding something IMO. I wonder what that might be....?
Luv,
Kori
>
> Luv,
>
> Wanda
>
>
>
> > Luv,
> > Kori
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> > :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic
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> > >http://occna.org/
>
> > >http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm
>
> > >http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm
>
> > >http://www.orccna.org/history.htm
>
> > >http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916/
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dh
>On Sep 21, 11:52 am, dh@. wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT), korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >On Sep 20, 9:21 am, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>> >> "Day Brown" <daybr...@daybrown.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:48d4579b$0$26753$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>>
>> >> > forevernitefan wrote:
>> >> >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
>> >> >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>>
>> >> It's legit, see these
>>
>> >The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
>> >whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
>> >to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
>> >A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.
>>
>> But what do they DO? Do people just congregate and rejoice
>> in the supposed non-existence of Satan, sing songs and listen
>> to sermons about how much they don't exist?
>
>I think this is a question about the Church of Satan?
Any supposed churches of Satan.
>I dunno exactly what they do since I'm not a member. But you might
>learn something about what COS gatherings are like by actually reading
>The Satanic Bible,
I did read the Satanic Bible which of course is what led to the
questions I asked about the "churches", and took notes on what
I consider to be significant.
>The Satanic Rituals, and other materials in print
>or on the web. Maybe getting over your preconceived notions about
>what you think the COS is might help you understand what you read;
>maybe not. You may simply be too thick headed or too poorly educated
>about Western culture circa mid-1960s to 'get it'.
Howard specifically encouraged people to disbelieve:
_________________________________________________________
All religions of a spiritual nature are inventions of man.
He has created an entire system of gods with nothing more
than his carnal brain. Just because he has an ego and cannot
accept it, he has had to externalize it into some great
spiritual device which he calls "God."
p.44
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It's simple, though I certainly was led to believe he lied about
his own supposed disbelief which makes it more complicated.
>> Is there a spell
>> throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
>> in Satanic Bible School or something?
>
>Uh, aren't you confusing COS with Harry Potter here?
Apparently you're less familiar with the Satanic Bible than I am,
or you would know that well over half of it is devoted entirely to
spells etc. I figure about the last 2/3 of the book. One thing that
convinced me Howard was a liar about his disbelief is this:
_________________________________________________________
number seven of the thirteen steps:
"Turning counter-clockwise, the priest points with the sword
to each cardinal point of the compass and calls fouth the
respective Princes of Hell: Satan from the south, Lucifer from
the east, Belial from the north, and Leviathan from the west."
P.131
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This part has great significance as well:
_________________________________________________________
"Concerning Destruction:
Be certain that you DO NOT care if the intended victim
lives or dies, before you throw your curse, and having
caused their destruction, revel, rather than feel remorse.
HEED WELL THESE RULES--OR IN EACH CASE YOU
WILL SEE A REVERSAL OF YOUR DESIRES WHICH
WILL HARM, RATHER THAN HELP, YOU!"
P. 118
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>Or maybe Tani
>Jantsang's 'Satanic Reds'? You know, the ray that is not a ray and
>all that jive?
My impression at this point is that she has a Zen sort of idea
she's too uncomfortable to put faith in, and she distorted that to
create her own version for some reason trying to involve the
idea of Howardian Satanism. Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>basis of COS philosophy.
Yes, I have been aware of that since the first time I read
them, having read the S "bible" before encountering her thing.
>As much as a non-member like myself can
>judge, anyway.
>
>> What do people DO in a "church" devoted to nothing?
>
>Do you consider yourself, your life and its purpose to be 'nothing'?
They're everything to me as yours are to you. As far as any
more than that is concerned I have no way of knowing or
even making an informed guess. If your goal in life is to develop
a church devoted to nothing, and you do it successfully and
even manage to make money selling the idea you still have a
church devoted to nothing. So, what do people do in a "church"
devoted to nothing?
Kori Houghton
I actually had a similar discussion about the Church of Satan calling
itself a 'church' with some COS members on alt.satanism. And I'm sure
there are archived threads about other people having this discussion
as well. The way I understand it, the name works well to get you
thinking about what a 'church' is in contemporary society, what it may
have been traditionally, and why it works -- or doesn't work - as a
name for the group LaVey founded. I'm not sure note taking helps with
this type of insight. Initiatory tests, for instance, aren't tests
you can cram for.
>
> >The Satanic Rituals, and other materials in print
> >or on the web. Maybe getting over your preconceived notions about
> >what you think the COS is might help you understand what you read;
> >maybe not. You may simply be too thick headed or too poorly educated
> >about Western culture circa mid-1960s to 'get it'.
>
> Howard specifically encouraged people to disbelieve:
> _________________________________________________________
> All religions of a spiritual nature are inventions of man.
> He has created an entire system of gods with nothing more
> than his carnal brain. Just because he has an ego and cannot
> accept it, he has had to externalize it into some great
> spiritual device which he calls "God."
>
> p.44
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Some pretty cool spiritual types throughout recorded history have
encouraged human beings to examine all things more deeply rather than
accept 'it is written' as a belief. IMO, LaVey was writing pretty
much for people who already realized they did not 'believe' in the
teachings of mainstream mid-20th Century monotheisms.
> It's simple, though I certainly was led to believe he lied about
> his own supposed disbelief which makes it more complicated.
Yeah? And how were you led to believe that he lied? And by whom?
>
> >> Is there a spell
> >> throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
> >> in Satanic Bible School or something?
>
> >Uh, aren't you confusing COS with Harry Potter here?
>
> Apparently you're less familiar with the Satanic Bible than I am,
> or you would know that well over half of it is devoted entirely to
> spells etc. I figure about the last 2/3 of the book. One thing that
> convinced me Howard was a liar about his disbelief is this:
> _________________________________________________________
> number seven of the thirteen steps:
>
> "Turning counter-clockwise, the priest points with the sword
> to each cardinal point of the compass and calls fouth the
> respective Princes of Hell: Satan from the south, Lucifer from
> the east, Belial from the north, and Leviathan from the west."
>
> P.131
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
That's not what I think of when someone mentions a 'spell'.
By the way, don't you recognize this bit of ritual from Christian
ceremonial? Never seen a priest offer incense to the 4 quarters?
Huh? I mean, the names have been changed to spook the participants,
but it's pretty simple ceremonial magic...which has a strong Judeo/
Christian basis, in case you don't know. I think you are mistaken in
assuming that using the universal symbols of the 4 quarters implies a
'belief' in anything more discorporate than the changing seasons and
daily pattern of darkness alternating with light. Most religiously
inclined humans won't acknowledge this, but that's not my problem.
> This part has great significance as well:
> _________________________________________________________
> "Concerning Destruction:
>
> Be certain that you DO NOT care if the intended victim
> lives or dies, before you throw your curse, and having
> caused their destruction, revel, rather than feel remorse.
>
> HEED WELL THESE RULES--OR IN EACH CASE YOU
> WILL SEE A REVERSAL OF YOUR DESIRES WHICH
> WILL HARM, RATHER THAN HELP, YOU!"
>
> P. 118
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
You think LaVey invented this concept? I mean, sheesh, the Bible has
examples of 'god' cursing 'satan'.
>
> >Or maybe Tani
> >Jantsang's 'Satanic Reds'? You know, the ray that is not a ray and
> >all that jive?
>
> My impression at this point is that she has a Zen sort of idea
> she's too uncomfortable to put faith in, and she distorted that to
> create her own version for some reason trying to involve the
> idea of Howardian Satanism.
LOL Howardian Satanism!
> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
>
> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
> >basis of COS philosophy.
>
> Yes, I have been aware of that since the first time I read
> them, having read the S "bible" before encountering her thing.
>
> >As much as a non-member like myself can
> >judge, anyway.
>
> >> What do people DO in a "church" devoted to nothing?
>
> >Do you consider yourself, your life and its purpose to be 'nothing'?
>
> They're everything to me as yours are to you. As far as any
> more than that is concerned I have no way of knowing or
> even making an informed guess. If your goal in life is to develop
> a church devoted to nothing, and you do it successfully and
> even manage to make money selling the idea you still have a
> church devoted to nothing. So, what do people do in a "church"
> devoted to nothing?
Dunno about your 'nothing' church, but IMO people join the COS because
it's pretty good to hang out with people of like mind while avoiding
hassle from a bunch of morons. Cursing and ceremonial magic is
optional. Just my opinion here.
Steve Hayes
What do any of those bodies have to do with the Old Catholics, and vice versa?
--
The unworthy deacon,
Stephen Methodius Hayes
Contact: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Orthodox mission pages: http://www.orthodoxy.faithweb.com/
Wanda Tinasky
>
> Hey there, Wanda! Please see in.
>
>
>
> > Oh yeah. Mershon/Moran/Moron again. This time as a cathy-lick priest.
> > Awesome.
>
> Not really. A Universal Life Church ordained minister, goth DJ,
> paranormal groupie and all around poseur.
Well slap me on my ass and call me Sally. I guess I just haven't
lived...]
>
> https://ulc.net/index.php?page=minister_data&id=10384
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 11:43 am, korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > forevernitefan wrote:
> > > > >> Aside from that on his own web site he calls himself " the very most
> > > > >> reverend" and so forth. Big flashing neon lights level of phony here.
>
> > Sure and I'm the King Of Prussia.
>
> One never knows LOL
If I were the King Of Prussia, I'd be able to be on Ms. Rose-Jantsang-
Panangio's "Page of Faces."
I think she was bangin' Vincent Crowley behind Ronbo's back which led
to the demise of his marriage. Never saw the appeal of Goth girls
myself. I fetishized the good-girl type, but to each his own.
> http://www.vampirefreaks.com/Garguillio
>
> This d00d is really easy to search on the web, being the only
> 'garguillio'.
Pulling out the old armchair shrink-on-a-schtick, I guess this is just
another overt plea for attention. Perhaps his parent(s) were
dispomaniacs?
> > So I guess after the Art Bell crowd found him to be a fraud (it takes
> > an enormous effort to convince these cretins anyone is a liar) he
> > misses his radio interviews with the Kook Set.
>
> I've never listened to Art Bell. Actually I prefer to read my dose of
> k00kiness. Maybe because it's less intimate that way. I've met way
> too many k00ks in the flesh in this lifetime, and I think I've
> developed an allergy to them.
Well you're in the right spot Kori if you're looking for nutters. One
of my pals was on Art Bell/Nori's program which is when I listened and
was amused. People will believe anything.
>
>
> > > Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.
>
> > She still around? Wow. Guess Curio hasn't successfully sued her yet.
>
> Sure. She's just stopped posting as Tani Jantsant (copyright symbol)
> and is using her 'Comm' nick. A few weeks ago, she posted some bilge
> about having never heard of Curio/Diana Napolis until a few months
> ago. Claims she believed for all these years that Curio was Kevin
> Filan! Needless to say there are dozens of posts recorded in the
> Usenet archives that strongly suggest (if not outright prove)
> otherwise. I haven't a clue why Diana has included Tani in her suit,
> but lying about knowing who Curio is/was makes Tani look like she is
> hiding something IMO. I wonder what that might be....?
Curio was Kevin? LOL! Nonsense. If anybody's a maven of
alt.satanism's cast of characters, it's Phyllis. Surprised she
doesn't confuse Jennifer Love Hewitt with herself too. I can just see
her TiVoing the infomercials with Hewitt and Tani thinking during
playback she's talking to herself while smoking Virginia Slims,
drinking fortified Kahlua between hitting the Twink Bukkake sites and
other great examples of Japanese Exploit-O-Pr0n.
Luv,
Wanda
> Luv,
> Kori
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> > Luv,
>
> > Wanda
>
> > > Luv,
> > > Kori
>
> > > :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic
>
> > > >http://occna.org/
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/history.htm
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> > > >http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916/
>
> > > >http://www.universalcatholic.com/universalcatholic/Home.html-Hidequoted text -
forevernitefan
The C2C people are incredibly naive and credulous. And, quite
frankly, stupid.
>
> I've never listened to Art Bell. Actually I prefer to read my dose of
> k00kiness. Maybe because it's less intimate that way. I've met way
> too many k00ks in the flesh in this lifetime, and I think I've
> developed an allergy to them.
Art Bell's " Coast To Coast": is mainly hosted nowadays by George
Noorey. C2C is full of the BS kooks who claim all sorts of things and
add in their stories scientific/rational sounding technobabble that if
avtally analized is still hollow crap. Some years back Bell had to
take some time off the mic for awhile ( ahem) but he does host the
show a few times a month. Noorey gives all the nuts a feeling they are
credible. Hell, Noorey twice had shyster Bob Larson on and treated him
so damn nicely that any diabetic in the listening audience would have
been in a coma within half an hour.
I have yet to hear any caller on the show actually nail the guest du
jour in their crap.
>
>
>
> > > Don't take Jantsang's attempt at misdirection as a validation.
>
> > She still around? Wow. Guess Curio hasn't successfully sued her yet.
>
> Sure. She's just stopped posting as Tani Jantsant (copyright symbol)
> and is using her 'Comm' nick. A few weeks ago, she posted some bilge
> about having never heard of Curio/Diana Napolis until a few months
> ago. Claims she believed for all these years that Curio was Kevin
> Filan! Needless to say there are dozens of posts recorded in the
> Usenet archives that strongly suggest (if not outright prove)
> otherwise. I haven't a clue why Diana has included Tani in her suit,
> but lying about knowing who Curio is/was makes Tani look like she is
> hiding something IMO. I wonder what that might be....?
Um maybe that she's an online drama queen?
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
Bob Lar$on watcher
http://www.boblarsonfanclub.tk/
>
> Luv,
> Kori
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> > Luv,
>
> > Wanda
>
> > > Luv,
> > > Kori
>
> > > :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic
>
> > > >http://occna.org/
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/presidingbishop.htm
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/dioceses.htm
>
> > > >http://www.orccna.org/history.htm
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> > > >http://www.geocities.com/heartland/lake/4916/
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forevernitefan
Yeah the photo on the vampfreaks web site looks a lot like the photo
on "Gargie's" web site. Since vampirefreaks is for meeting vampyres
and from the web page cited he made an account there the first of this
month, gee wonder what he's REALLY up to? Thepic is really grainy
though. The profile says 39 but the clear photo on his web site shows
him to be quite older than that. If this actually came from
Garguillio, he's being a bit deceptive in blurring the picture.
This only adds to my doubts about the credibility of this guy.
Also bear in mind that vampirefreaks was also the web site used not
so long ago by some sick bastard who lured a teenage female to a
graveyard where he raped her.
>
Moe
Eternal FOREVER KNIGHT fan
" A vampire cop? REALLY?"
Wanda Tinasky
Please see below:
On Sep 21, 10:14 pm, Steve Hayes <hayesm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:52:14 -0100, dh@. wrote:
> >On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT), korihough...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
> >>whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
> >>to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
> >>A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.
>
> > But what do they DO? Do people just congregate and rejoice
> >in the supposed non-existence of Satan, sing songs and listen
> >to sermons about how much they don't exist? Is there a spell
> >throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
> >in Satanic Bible School or something? What do people DO in
> >a "church" devoted to nothing?
>
> What do any of those bodies have to do with the Old Catholics, and vice versa?
One of the folks in here, Ron Mershon (nee' Moran et. al) now claims
to be a bishop in the Old Catholic Church. Mershon/Moran has been the
laughingstock for those who frequent the alt.satanism newsgroup. Moran/
Mershon/Garguillio has falsely claimed in the past to be a leader in
the Church Of Satan, The Temple Of Set, and many other less well known
diabolical occult groups. Here's some convenient links:
http://www.garguillio.com
http://www.catacombparanormal.com
http://www.naoldcatholic.com
Now Moran/Mershon/Garguillio avers that he's a member of your the Old
Catholic Church's Monastery:
http://www.naoldcatholic.com/
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/monastery.html
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/church.html
http://dconstantinus.angelfire.com/church2.html
Were it me, I'd be concerned that (even by alt.satanism standards)
that such a disturbed person is claiming to be part of your Christian
Denomination. Ron's doesn't claim a "road to Damascus" conversion
experience, but seems he's milking your organization for credibility
to what ends I do not know.
Wanda
Comm
On Sep 21, 3:09 pm, Wanda Tinasky <wandatina...@comcast.net> wrote:
> She still around? Wow. Guess Curio hasn't successfully sued her yet.
> Sure. She's just stopped posting as Tani Jantsant (copyright symbol)
and is using her 'Comm' nick. A few weeks ago, she posted some bilge
about having never heard of Curio/Diana Napolis until a few months
ago. Claims she believed for all these years that Curio was Kevin
Filan! Needless to say there are dozens of posts recorded in the
Usenet archives that strongly suggest (if not outright prove)
otherwise. I haven't a clue why Diana has included Tani in her suit,
but lying about knowing who Curio is/was makes Tani look like she is
hiding something IMO. I wonder what that might be....?
Indeed, Filan, Harwer, some other nicks, Curio - all the same person posting
the same stuff - either that - or each was copy pasting from the other. I
didn't much pay attention to it, didn't read it all, but it all sounded like
the same exact thing. I had no freaking idea who or what DN was, why the
hell would I know that? Why the fuck would I know the details about any of
this shit? I'm not you. And gads, I've used Comm for ages when I'm on
here, but then, you have no idea what "on here" even is. Get a fucking
life, bitch. I don't go where you usually hang out with your moron pals.
So why are you HERE posting this irrelevent off topic SHIT? Note, I've
removed "here" from the groups.
Vote for Obama/Biden - at least DO that while we still have a god damned
country. The hockey mom wants to make nuke war with RUSSIA for shit's
sakes. Those people are CRAZY.
I can see that you and your moron pals are nonetheless still obseessed. Get
over it. Some of the people on that suit are being terrorized for real by a
person that was adjudged criminally insane, dangerous and locked up - and
more and more keep getting added to it, even the damned newspaper. All of
the ones on there are innocent - there is no such thing as a mind ray or UFO
technology.
You need to be put in the killfile on HERE too.
Steve Hayes
<wandat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> What do any of those bodies have to do with the Old Catholics, and vice versa?
>
>One of the folks in here, Ron Mershon (nee' Moran et. al) now claims
>to be a bishop in the Old Catholic Church. Mershon/Moran has been the
>laughingstock for those who frequent the alt.satanism newsgroup. Moran/
>Mershon/Garguillio has falsely claimed in the past to be a leader in
>the Church Of Satan, The Temple Of Set, and many other less well known
>diabolical occult groups. Here's some convenient links:
>
>http://www.garguillio.com
>http://www.catacombparanormal.com
>http://www.naoldcatholic.com
>
>Now Moran/Mershon/Garguillio avers that he's a member of your the Old
>Catholic Church's Monastery:
Not "my" Old Catholic Church.
>Were it me, I'd be concerned that (even by alt.satanism standards)
>that such a disturbed person is claiming to be part of your Christian
>Denomination. Ron's doesn't claim a "road to Damascus" conversion
>experience, but seems he's milking your organization for credibility
>to what ends I do not know.
Again, not "my" organisation. And I haven't seen any posts by this person, so
I wonder why it was crossposted out of the original ng.
What does the crossposter want to know, or expect to find?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
dh
Why would it is one of the things I'm wondering about. It's beginning
to look like this is another area that people are ashamed of, like their
faith in non-existence.
>I'm not sure note taking helps with this type of insight.
Of course it does. Reading the quotes is the best way for people to
develop their own interpretation of what's actually going on, even though
doing so produces different interpretations in different people. Since reading
the original material still means different things to different people, the
accountings of different people as to what the meanings are is likely to get
even farther away from the reality.
>Initiatory tests, for instance, aren't tests you can cram for.
That's no reason for not reading the "bible" or taking notes on it.
>> >The Satanic Rituals, and other materials in print
>> >or on the web. Maybe getting over your preconceived notions about
>> >what you think the COS is might help you understand what you read;
>> >maybe not. You may simply be too thick headed or too poorly educated
>> >about Western culture circa mid-1960s to 'get it'.
>>
>> Howard specifically encouraged people to disbelieve:
>> _________________________________________________________
>> All religions of a spiritual nature are inventions of man.
>> He has created an entire system of gods with nothing more
>> than his carnal brain. Just because he has an ego and cannot
>> accept it, he has had to externalize it into some great
>> spiritual device which he calls "God."
>>
>> p.44
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
>Some pretty cool spiritual types throughout recorded history have
>encouraged human beings to examine all things more deeply rather than
>accept 'it is written' as a belief. IMO, LaVey was writing pretty
>much for people who already realized they did not 'believe' in the
>teachings of mainstream mid-20th Century monotheisms.
>
>> It's simple, though I certainly was led to believe he lied about
>> his own supposed disbelief which makes it more complicated.
>
>Yeah? And how were you led to believe that he lied? And by whom?
He led me to believe it himself in his "bible", and then it was
reinforced by the many many examples his daughter gave of
other things he lied about.
>> >> Is there a spell
>> >> throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
>> >> in Satanic Bible School or something?
>>
>> >Uh, aren't you confusing COS with Harry Potter here?
>>
>> Apparently you're less familiar with the Satanic Bible than I am,
>> or you would know that well over half of it is devoted entirely to
>> spells etc. I figure about the last 2/3 of the book. One thing that
>> convinced me Howard was a liar about his disbelief is this:
>> _________________________________________________________
>> number seven of the thirteen steps:
>>
>> "Turning counter-clockwise, the priest points with the sword
>> to each cardinal point of the compass and calls fouth the
>> respective Princes of Hell: Satan from the south, Lucifer from
>> the east, Belial from the north, and Leviathan from the west."
>>
>> P.131
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
>That's not what I think of when someone mentions a 'spell'.
It's only a ritual that's associated with them.
>By the way, don't you recognize this bit of ritual from Christian
>ceremonial? Never seen a priest offer incense to the 4 quarters?
I've never seen a priest admit he was offering anything to the
princes of hell.
>Huh? I mean, the names have been changed to spook the participants,
They're supposed to be of some assistance to the participants,
not spook them. People who don't like the idea need to stay away
from them, not approach them to get spooked.
>but it's pretty simple ceremonial magic...which has a strong Judeo/
>Christian basis, in case you don't know.
I sure don't know, because I've never seen evidence of it.
In contrast to that I have seen evidence against it, like:
Leviticus 19:26
" 'Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. " 'Do not practice
divination or sorcery."
Deuteronomy 18:10
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or
daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery,
interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
2 Chronicles 33:6
He sacrificed his sons in the fire in the Valley of Ben Hinnom,
practiced sorcery, divination and witchcraft, and consulted
mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD,
provoking him to anger.
2 Kings 9:22
When Joram saw Jehu he asked, "Have you come in peace,
Jehu?" "How can there be peace," Jehu replied, "as long as
all the idolatry and witchcraft of your mother Jezebel abound?"
Micah 5:12
I will destroy your witchcraft and you will no longer cast spells.
Nahum 3:4
all because of the wanton lust of a harlot, alluring, the mistress
of sorceries, who enslaved nations by her prostitution and
peoples by her witchcraft.
Ezekiel 13:18
and say, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the
women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make
veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people.
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is like the sin of divination
>I think you are mistaken in
>assuming that using the universal symbols of the 4 quarters implies a
>'belief' in anything more discorporate than the changing seasons and
>daily pattern of darkness alternating with light.
Why is it you want to pretend that clear acknowledgement
of the princes of hell, is not clear acknowlegement of the
princes of hell, do you have any idea? Oh, okay, of course
it's because you don't *want* it to be, but why don't you?
Let's start with that...why not?
>Most religiously
>inclined humans won't acknowledge this, but that's not my problem.
Your denial certainly appears to be your own mental problem,
and one that is probably a very significant aspect of your life.
We're dealing with this particular example now though so if
you haven't done it already, try to figure out and explain why
you don't want clear acknowlegement of the princes of hell
to be recognised as clear acknowlegement of the princes
of hell.
>> This part has great significance as well:
>> _________________________________________________________
>> "Concerning Destruction:
>>
>> Be certain that you DO NOT care if the intended victim
>> lives or dies, before you throw your curse, and having
>> caused their destruction, revel, rather than feel remorse.
>>
>> HEED WELL THESE RULES--OR IN EACH CASE YOU
>> WILL SEE A REVERSAL OF YOUR DESIRES WHICH
>> WILL HARM, RATHER THAN HELP, YOU!"
>>
>> P. 118
>> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
>
>You think LaVey invented this concept?
I don't think he invented any of them. It's no less significant
that he didn't.
>I mean, sheesh, the Bible has examples of 'god' cursing 'satan'.
Even if so--I'd have to see your examples--how do you think
that justifies people trying to throw curses of destruction at other
people?
>> >Or maybe Tani
>> >Jantsang's 'Satanic Reds'? You know, the ray that is not a ray and
>> >all that jive?
>>
>> My impression at this point is that she has a Zen sort of idea
>> she's too uncomfortable to put faith in, and she distorted that to
>> create her own version for some reason trying to involve the
>> idea of Howardian Satanism.
>
>LOL Howardian Satanism!
>
>> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>
>I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
If I recall correctly Tani disagrees with herself in a number of
ways, so she might not be sure either.
>> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>> >basis of COS philosophy.
>>
>> Yes, I have been aware of that since the first time I read
>> them, having read the S "bible" before encountering her thing.
>>
>> >As much as a non-member like myself can
>> >judge, anyway.
>>
>> >> What do people DO in a "church" devoted to nothing?
>>
>> >Do you consider yourself, your life and its purpose to be 'nothing'?
>>
>> They're everything to me as yours are to you. As far as any
>> more than that is concerned I have no way of knowing or
>> even making an informed guess. If your goal in life is to develop
>> a church devoted to nothing, and you do it successfully and
>> even manage to make money selling the idea you still have a
>> church devoted to nothing. So, what do people do in a "church"
>> devoted to nothing?
>
>Dunno about your 'nothing' church,
The book "teaches" that there is nothing for the "church"
to be devoted to, even if the author actually believed that
there is.
>but IMO people join the COS because
>it's pretty good to hang out with people of like mind
Satan's puppets pretty obviously if he exists...well...even
if he doesn't it appears...
>while avoiding hassle from a bunch of morons.
Do they congregate in a large sanctuary for sermons
about how *much* God and Satan etc don't exist, and
sing songs about it, and of course pass the plate so
they can keep on doing it?
>Cursing and ceremonial magic is optional.
If they don't believe in God etc, what do they think
makes the magic *work* if they feel that it really does?
If they feel that it really does work, how can they still
have faith that God etc do not exist?
dh
>On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:52:14 -0100, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT), koriho...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>>The religious groups may be 'legit', but Mershon/Moran/Rev. Gargoyle/
>>>whositz has a history (on usenet, perhaps in real life) of pretending
>>>to belong to many orgs. Examples the come to mind: Temple of Set,
>>>A.'.A.'. (Thelema), Chruch of Satan -- all of which exist.
>>
>> But what do they DO? Do people just congregate and rejoice
>>in the supposed non-existence of Satan, sing songs and listen
>>to sermons about how much they don't exist? Is there a spell
>>throwing lesson every meeting, or do they learn that as kids
>>in Satanic Bible School or something? What do people DO in
>>a "church" devoted to nothing?
>
>What do any of those bodies have to do with the Old Catholics,
>and vice versa?
Maybe we'll find out if we're ever told what people
DO in a "church" devoted to nothing. Maybe they go
through the same sort of actions, but with supposedly
no reason for doing so? The whole idea seems idiotic
on the surface and may very well seem even more so
the more we learn about it, which would explain why
none of those "church" members have stepped up
to share whatever it is they do.
Comm
<dh@.> wrote in message news:8akdd4h245jmh19kj...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton >
> My impression at this point is that she has a Zen sort of idea
> she's too uncomfortable to put faith in, and she distorted that to
> create her own version for some reason trying to involve the
> idea of Howardian Satanism. Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
I will reply. Your impressions are wrong - and I am not the sole creator of
that organization. It is not Satanic - nor is it Communist. The FAQ is
there for anyone to read. The organization is about eastern "esoteric"
Darkness/Light theology. That IS what it is about. It is positive, very
very positive. I think CoS is extremely negative and harmful - and at least
this way, anyone putting "satanism" into a google search CAN FIND alternate
information about Darkness/Light Theology. Now - if they are interested in
Satan - they will simply move on and ignore us. It's really THAT SIMPLE,
dh.
>
>>Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>>now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>>basis of COS philosophy.
I never said it was. But the CoS DID try to say it was. They said it plenty
of times in writing, too. We never stated that anywhere on our site, or in
anything monograph not online. THEY said it. In my opinion, to DUPE people
that were seriously interested in peaceful darkness/light theology into
thinking that joining their org for a c note would be the answer to their
search. How WRONG that was. Misleading in the extreme. When I got online,
after a few hurdled caused me by that wretched fucking organization, I
nuked that idea and nixed their claims and helped to write the COS FILES
exposing it all. And they got very VERY angry. Too bad.
Nobody in their right mind with any kind of reading ability would EVER
equate or even connect our stuff with them - or any other satanic
organization out there. Even the references, or "for further reading"
always points to eastern stuff. Always.
I'm from a Lamaist culture - and I am Lamaist sort of - I'm not a religious
person at all, never was. Lamaism is not even properly religion. It's more
philosophy. It's very atheistic.
Now you have it. Period. I have to start a NEW killfile for this account.
Comm
<dh@.> wrote in message news:makhd4tnmgctn6b7t...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
> <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've never seen a priest admit he was offering anything to the
> princes of hell.
If you SINCERELY want an extremely (and long) detailed account of the Church
of Satan prior to and up to 1975, you can read it in what Michael Aquino
wrote - and it's not "him writing it." It's not him "making up" or "having
opinions" or "paraphrasing." No no. He has letters, documents, all that
and more to back it up. After all, he was only #2 person in that
organization!
My take? I think Anton believed in the Devil, even wrote himself a "pact"
with the devil and kept it safe - and then he got disillusioned. You see,
Aquino and almost the entire priesthood dumped him and his church in 1975.
It's all documented, their own letters, all of it. Anton then kinda
vanished from the scene, holed himself up like a monk. Gilmore more or less
revived it in what I see is a very strong atheist reincarnation. They want
to claim it was always atheistic. But I don't believe that - and well,
here - go read it yourself:
http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf
Read it all - then judge. If you have not read that, then you are missing
75% of the data to make an informed decision. I know that the CoS waged an
over 25 year org war with the ToS over this theological stuff - and then
they tried to make it out as if Aquino was stalking them! They turned it
around. LIARS! They are into duping people. They can turn the shit
around all they like - but what I happen to have to say about OUR stuff, has
published written documentation :) THEY published it, HA HAAAAAAAAAA.
Fucking morons.
My "involvement" with any and all satanic organizations (public ones) out
there in the past was very simple. I had information to convey to people
that THINK they are into the debble. I had no way to get it to them. These
orgs did - they had mailing lists and publications. I wrote for them - and
they printed every single thing I and others my way gave them in their
official publications - and in return - THEY RAN OUR AD. Get it? It's very
simple! That's the published documentation for ya. Did I ever put a single
thing of their shit in our monographs? HELL NO! Oh, and they all handed
out these dumb "high" titles that meant absolutely nothing - and never got
used! Our stuff IS featured in "Lucifer Rising" as Dark Doctrines - Kerry
Bolton is speaking for the Dark Doctrines in that book. It is noted that it
is VERY different stuff. Ie, it's not satanism, DUH.
It was only ONE organization, the CoS that did a little bit more than that -
which imo was way out of bounds. They tried to be proprietory over OUR
STUFF, as if THEY were the only ones out there with the "right" to represent
it. OH, but they didn't represent it. The diametric opposite was true.
And so - that was made all very perfectly clear. Of course they got pissed
off at me. I trashed the fucking shit out of them all. It's all out there
to be read, dh. You just don't want to do the leg work.
>>> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>>
>>I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
Let me be clear then, and up front. There is NOTHING SATANIC in Satanic
Reds. Hell, the god damned FAQ is clear enough. Can't you read? Vedanta
and eastern philosophy is NOT SATANISM, duh. YES, Sat and Tan is a PUN, not
some etymological reality, as I had to tell our online archiver about 50
fucking times. It's a PUN - WE MADE the damned pun. YES, we call it
satanic so that google brings it up. It's NOT satanic - even the damned
Priest asked me why on earth we call it that when there is not one SHREAD of
Satan on there. DUH. google search. silence on the phone - then he
laughed.
DAMN are you thick.
>
> If I recall correctly Tani disagrees with herself in a number of
> ways, so she might not be sure either.
You are not used to casual easy going people who don't particularly give a
shit about RELIGION one way or the other. Eastern stuff is NOT religion.
It's more like a philosophy and people are MORE OR LESS of it, with it. I
like what I like - and fuck the rest of it. I don't care about the rest of
it. I can go on and on about Obama/McCain - but you know - who gets elected
is gonna be the president. Fuck it. He's gonna do what he's gonna do.
Period. Fuck it. What happens, happens. You are just NOT used to people
that LIVE like that. It's cultural - and it's a MAJOR culture clash with
western people. So - white boy, just screw off.
>
>>> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>>> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>>> >basis of COS philosophy.
THANK YOU for agreeing with me Kori! THEY are the ones that duped people,
in writing, more than once, duped people into thinking that our stuff was
the FOUNDATION of their garbage, soul-killing rot (you heard me there - SOUL
KILLING). What I've posted here? I sell monographs that are the diametric
opposite of everything that hellish org represents. Our stuff ENLIGHTENS
people, uplifts people - or else it does nothing for those not interested in
it. It doesn't do what the CoS does - which imo is NEGATIVE in the extreme.
Another reason they got SERIOUSLY pissed, when I first got online I thought
Lord Egan's FCOS was POSITIVE. Oh they hated that. I am also the one that
encouraged the anti Fascism article up there - and that was directed AT the
CoS, dear. DUH. That is what finally put me on their shit list - tho they
had gotten on my shit list as soon as I saw them in action. I never saw ANY
of them in action before - I didn't know these people and only dealt with 4
top people about articles and ad space. Oh, yeah, and music. They sent me
nice music. I reciprocated. That's it.
>>Cursing and ceremonial magic is optional.
>
> If they don't believe in God etc, what do they think
> makes the magic *work* if they feel that it really does?
> If they feel that it really does work, how can they still
> have faith that God etc do not exist?
>
No, from what I've heard from the horse's mouths - they get together
sometimes and do stupid rituals - ha haaaaaaaa, often speaking LATIN, HAAAAA
god it's funny. But they aren't laughing. It's all gloomy and dour-faced
and so serious. No laughing. They showed some of that on TV even.
There's the movie Satanis - go buy it and watch it. STUPID shit. Ugly
shit, too. Shitty music, too. The Grotto Master's Handbook was online once
upon a time. Go get it and read it. See what they do. Go ahead. It sure
the fuck makes their "atheism" claims seem like lies. :) Yeah, ha,
Satanis - the movie that the new-revised-group wants to say was just a dupe
of the rubes. HA - was it?
They sit around and mock out "the herd" (aka - happy people that have a life
and enjoy simple pleasures). They sit around and go on about how ELITE they
are, haaaaaaa.
Oh let me just shut the fuck up. You dislike me - and I dislike you. But
do not MISrepresent me - which is what you tend to always do - and so I
start to get sarcastic and mocking, only you don't catch it. Whatever. I
can't even RELATE to your mindset or your questions - nor can you relate to
me - it's a major culture clash that you just can't accept. Well - ok then.
Now you can fuck off. And I'll shut the fuck up.
dh
>
><dh@.> wrote in message news:8akdd4h245jmh19kj...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton >
>
>> My impression at this point is that she has a Zen sort of idea
>> she's too uncomfortable to put faith in, and she distorted that to
>> create her own version for some reason trying to involve the
>> idea of Howardian Satanism. Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>
>I will reply. Your impressions are wrong - and I am not the sole creator of
>that organization. It is not Satanic - nor is it Communist. The FAQ is
>there for anyone to read. The organization is about eastern "esoteric"
>Darkness/Light theology. That IS what it is about. It is positive, very
>very positive. I think CoS is extremely negative and harmful - and at least
>this way, anyone putting "satanism" into a google search CAN FIND alternate
>information about Darkness/Light Theology. Now - if they are interested in
>Satan - they will simply move on and ignore us. It's really THAT SIMPLE,
>dh.
No it's not. People will think you WANT to be associated with Satanism.
Some will believe you are. Others will wonder if you just want to be and
maybe even think you are, but feel that the things you say are not in the
least bit like Satanism. That's the way I thought about it, and wondered
how screwed up you are for not being able to figure it out. Now you've
cleared that up, but I still wonder how screwed up you are for other
reasons of course. And one of the btw is the fact that you still hang on
to anything to do with Satanism when you should have gotten completely
away from it--including the name!--a long time ago.
. . .
>Nobody in their right mind with any kind of reading ability would EVER
>equate or even connect our stuff with them - or any other satanic
>organization out there.
Oh yeah, that's another thing you do...you lie to yourself. The truth
is that YOU have made the connection, and even when people notice
that what you talk about doesn't sound the least bit Satanic you have
still associated it with Satanism. So people are going to naturally think
that you WANT it to be Satanic, and so it almost certainly IS in some
ways Satanic even if you're not saying anything about how. And since
we know Satanists can't be trusted in the least, people are STILL going
to suspect that you want to be and in some ways are associated with
Satanism even when you deny it like you're doing. YOU have created
a situation which prevents people from really being able to trust you or
what you claim to represent, to sum it up.
dh
>
><dh@.> wrote in message news:makhd4tnmgctn6b7t...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
>> <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I've never seen a priest admit he was offering anything to the
>> princes of hell.
>
>If you SINCERELY want an extremely (and long) detailed account of the Church
>of Satan prior to and up to 1975, you can read it in what Michael Aquino
>wrote - and it's not "him writing it." It's not him "making up" or "having
>opinions" or "paraphrasing." No no. He has letters, documents, all that
>and more to back it up. After all, he was only #2 person in that
>organization!
>
>My take? I think Anton believed in the Devil, even wrote himself a "pact"
>with the devil and kept it safe - and then he got disillusioned.
It seems I suggested something similar in the past and you suggested
I was stupid for suggesting it.
>You see,
>Aquino and almost the entire priesthood dumped him and his church in 1975.
>It's all documented, their own letters, all of it. Anton then kinda
>vanished from the scene, holed himself up like a monk. Gilmore more or less
>revived it in what I see is a very strong atheist reincarnation. They want
>to claim it was always atheistic. But I don't believe that - and well,
>here - go read it yourself:
>
>http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf
>
>Read it all - then judge. If you have not read that, then you are missing
>75% of the data to make an informed decision. I know that the CoS waged an
>over 25 year org war with the ToS over this theological stuff - and then
>they tried to make it out as if Aquino was stalking them! They turned it
>around. LIARS! They are into duping people. They can turn the shit
>around all they like - but what I happen to have to say about OUR stuff, has
>published written documentation :) THEY published it, HA HAAAAAAAAAA.
>Fucking morons.
The whole thing is a bunch of nasty shit it sounds like, as one could
expect of Satanism.
>My "involvement" with any and all satanic organizations (public ones) out
>there in the past was very simple. I had information to convey to people
>that THINK they are into the debble. I had no way to get it to them. These
>orgs did - they had mailing lists and publications. I wrote for them - and
>they printed every single thing I and others my way gave them in their
>official publications - and in return - THEY RAN OUR AD. Get it? It's very
>simple! That's the published documentation for ya. Did I ever put a single
>thing of their shit in our monographs? HELL NO! Oh, and they all handed
>out these dumb "high" titles that meant absolutely nothing - and never got
>used! Our stuff IS featured in "Lucifer Rising" as Dark Doctrines
What I've read of your stuff doesn't sound at all like what Satanists
would want to get involved with or even appreciate. Maybe you deserve
whatever ills have come your way for trying to associate something with
Satanism that you should never have tried to associate with it.
> - Kerry
>Bolton is speaking for the Dark Doctrines in that book. It is noted that it
>is VERY different stuff. Ie, it's not satanism, DUH.
>
>It was only ONE organization, the CoS that did a little bit more than that -
>which imo was way out of bounds. They tried to be proprietory over OUR
>STUFF, as if THEY were the only ones out there with the "right" to represent
>it. OH, but they didn't represent it. The diametric opposite was true.
>And so - that was made all very perfectly clear. Of course they got pissed
>off at me. I trashed the fucking shit out of them all. It's all out there
>to be read, dh. You just don't want to do the leg work.
Neither do you apparently, but what you described makes sense.
You would have been better off never having associated with the
assholes in the first place, but you tried to make something of value
out of it. Hopefully you've learned better and it's not too late to get
something worthwhile out of the experience, if there's anything to get.
>>>> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>>>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>>>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>>>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>>>
>>>I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
>
>Let me be clear then, and up front. There is NOTHING SATANIC in Satanic
>Reds.
Oh yeah, you should CHANGE THE NAME too. Duh to you.
>Hell, the god damned FAQ is clear enough. Can't you read?
Only some things.
>Vedanta
>and eastern philosophy is NOT SATANISM, duh. YES, Sat and Tan is a PUN, not
>some etymological reality, as I had to tell our online archiver about 50
>fucking times. It's a PUN - WE MADE the damned pun. YES, we call it
>satanic so that google brings it up. It's NOT satanic - even the damned
>Priest asked me why on earth we call it that when there is not one SHREAD of
>Satan on there. DUH. google search. silence on the phone - then he
>laughed.
He laughed because you're an idiot.
>DAMN are you thick.
>>
>> If I recall correctly Tani disagrees with herself in a number of
>> ways, so she might not be sure either.
>
>You are not used to casual easy going people who don't particularly give a
>shit about RELIGION one way or the other. Eastern stuff is NOT religion.
>It's more like a philosophy
Nope. Not when it involves a supposed, mindless, dark spiritual ray which
is neither dark, spiritual nor a ray...or anything else along those lines.
>and people are MORE OR LESS of it, with it. I
>like what I like - and fuck the rest of it. I don't care about the rest of
>it. I can go on and on about Obama/McCain - but you know - who gets elected
>is gonna be the president.
I thought you live in some other country on a rocky island or something
like that.
>Fuck it. He's gonna do what he's gonna do.
>Period. Fuck it. What happens, happens. You are just NOT used to people
>that LIVE like that. It's cultural - and it's a MAJOR culture clash with
>western people. So - white boy, just screw off.
>>
>>>> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>>>> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>>>> >basis of COS philosophy.
>
>THANK YOU for agreeing with me Kori!
She probably laughed at you for being an idiot like the priest did.
>THEY are the ones that duped people,
>in writing, more than once, duped people into thinking that our stuff was
>the FOUNDATION of their garbage, soul-killing rot (you heard me there - SOUL
>KILLING).
There you get close to religion again. Here's an idea: Why not
quit with the dishonest denials and accept that what you have in
mind is very likely to be the same sort of thing that all people feel
when they have a spiritualy positive experience.
>What I've posted here? I sell monographs that are the diametric
>opposite of everything that hellish org represents. Our stuff ENLIGHTENS
>people, uplifts people - or else it does nothing for those not interested in
>it. It doesn't do what the CoS does - which imo is NEGATIVE in the extreme.
Yet you've opposed me for encouraging similar feelings.
I wonder what good it does them, if any, if Satan does exist.
>Oh let me just shut the fuck up. You dislike me - and I dislike you.
But you don't really have reason to dislike me as I have to dislike
you, since you're always overly the asshole in my direction. That's
just your nature and I've learned to accept it, and it also give me
justification to be an ass toward you when I want to but then you
get pissy. All criticisms I make could be for your own benefit though,
afaik. If I ever am critical or assholish in a way that could hurt you
or make you screw up, please let me know and I'll try to correct
the mistake.
>But
>do not MISrepresent me - which is what you tend to always do -
No, but it feels like that to you when I point out things like
how you disagree with yourself, or when you refer to non-spiritual
things as being spiritual, and stuff like that.
>and so I
>start to get sarcastic and mocking, only you don't catch it.
I don't respond to all of it and have learned to accept it because
that's the type person you are. When I do respond similarly then
you get pissy about it. I do a lot less of that shit than you do and
still you dislike me. If I did as much or more than you then think
how much more...not that it matters whether we like each other
or not but letting it get out of hand can make it impossible to get
any benefit out of this other than flaming practice.
>Whatever. I
>can't even RELATE to your mindset or your questions
Because you don't try because they're outside your mental
safety zone. We've been through all that before.
> - nor can you relate to me -
You don't have it figured out for yourself enough to explain it
to other people. Plus the mental limitations you have set for yourself
are restricting your thinking to the extent that they cause distortions
in your interpretations of reality. That's why you can't get it figured
out for yourself most likely: You're trying to think about a very spiritually
oriented concept, but without the spirit, so you're working against
yourself with your own limitations. Free up your mind to consider all
the possibilities including the one that you, the Jews, the Hindus,
the American Indians, The Christians and everyone else who gets
spiritual sort of feelings is referring to the same one or ones, and
it seems that could open up a whole new universe for you that
interacts and all makes sense after all.
>it's a major culture clash that you just can't accept. Well - ok then.
>
>Now you can fuck off. And I'll shut the fuck up.
Or you could try to expand your mental safety zone. It doesn't
hurt after you get used to it. It feels kind of good actually. You'd
have to leave all your old Satan shit behind, but it's past time you
did that anyway. Maybe if you dump the old baggage you could
move on in a better, positive way.
Comm
<dh@.> wrote in message news:4elkd4tijcn073obr...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:34:54 -0400, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><dh@.> wrote in message news:makhd4tnmgctn6b7t...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
>>> <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never seen a priest admit he was offering anything to the
>>> princes of hell.
>>
>>If you SINCERELY want an extremely (and long) detailed account of the
>>Church
>>of Satan prior to and up to 1975, you can read it in what Michael Aquino
>>wrote - and it's not "him writing it." It's not him "making up" or
>>"having
>>opinions" or "paraphrasing." No no. He has letters, documents, all that
>>and more to back it up. After all, he was only #2 person in that
>>organization!
>>
>>My take? I think Anton believed in the Devil, even wrote himself a "pact"
>>with the devil and kept it safe - and then he got disillusioned.
>
> It seems I suggested something similar in the past and you suggested
> I was stupid for suggesting it.
Nope, you remember completely wrong. I read Aquino's book. You didn't. I
have someone on our own site about his belief in the devil. YOU didn't
read it. It's up there. It's BEEN up there.
>
>>You see,
>>Aquino and almost the entire priesthood dumped him and his church in 1975.
>>It's all documented, their own letters, all of it. Anton then kinda
>>vanished from the scene, holed himself up like a monk. Gilmore more or
>>less
>>revived it in what I see is a very strong atheist reincarnation. They
>>want
>>to claim it was always atheistic. But I don't believe that - and well,
>>here - go read it yourself:
>>
>>http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/COS.pdf
>>
>>Read it all - then judge. If you have not read that, then you are missing
>>75% of the data to make an informed decision. I know that the CoS waged
>>an
>>over 25 year org war with the ToS over this theological stuff - and then
>>they tried to make it out as if Aquino was stalking them! They turned it
>>around. LIARS! They are into duping people. They can turn the shit
>>around all they like - but what I happen to have to say about OUR stuff,
>>has
>>published written documentation :) THEY published it, HA HAAAAAAAAAA.
>>Fucking morons.
>
> The whole thing is a bunch of nasty shit it sounds like, as one could
> expect of Satanism.
Yup to what resulted. Nope to Aquino's book about it. It's not nasty at
all. Read it, or is it "outside your mental safety zone?" [TM dh] . They
ran my ad - bottom line. Our stuff is not satanism. If you really want to
know, you'll take the time and read it.
>
>>My "involvement" with any and all satanic organizations (public ones) out
>>there in the past was very simple. I had information to convey to people
>>that THINK they are into the debble. I had no way to get it to them.
>>These
>>orgs did - they had mailing lists and publications. I wrote for them -
>>and
>>they printed every single thing I and others my way gave them in their
>>official publications - and in return - THEY RAN OUR AD. Get it? It's
>>very
>>simple! That's the published documentation for ya. Did I ever put a
>>single
>>thing of their shit in our monographs? HELL NO! Oh, and they all handed
>>out these dumb "high" titles that meant absolutely nothing - and never got
>>used! Our stuff IS featured in "Lucifer Rising" as Dark Doctrines
>
> What I've read of your stuff doesn't sound at all like what Satanists
> would want to get involved with or even appreciate.
For the most part, you are correct. But there are quite a number of people
that have a feeling for our stuff, eastern stuff - but have no idea what
that could be when they first recognize a feel for it. It's dark, for
sure - so they MIGHT tend to think "could that be Satan?" But, they don't
identify with any kind of "anti God" concept or being. All they know is
that it's dark. It feels dark. Now at least they can find out about it and
if they want, get directed to eastern stuff. I found it pretty strange when
the top people in the CoS wrote things saying that this stuff was the
"foundations" of satanism, meaning THEIR satanism. Well, how did they
figure that? I never really asked. Maybe "dark force in nature" is how
they might have figured that, making a kind of jump to that one tiny thing.
I mean, THEY said that. I did not say it.
Maybe you deserve
> whatever ills have come your way for trying to associate something with
> Satanism that you should never have tried to associate with it.
I have very very few ills that come my way, dh. VERY few. If you refer to
that "without merit" lawsuit, there are a LOT of people on there being sued,
none of them have anything do do with, any relation to, "satanism."
Aquino - it's iffy. But absolutely NONE of the others. One was a freaking
JUROR (a good reason to AVOID jury duty!) It had to be done. Too many
people were being HARMED in the inner sense, by the garbage out there, as I
saw it, and I'm not the only one seeing it. It HAD to be done.
The people you are defining as being influenced by your "beast" are people
we define as klippothic (more familiar word in the west) or preta
(unfamiliar eastern word). It's a very different concept, but in a funny
way, it's not THAT different at all. Klippothic people DO try to spread
their misery and make others like themselves. WE just do not attribute
their condition to some outside entity. It's an inner condition that they
have. Many religions are infested with them - and they tend to crave power
and rise to the top, unfortunately.
>
>> - Kerry
>>Bolton is speaking for the Dark Doctrines in that book. It is noted that
>>it
>>is VERY different stuff. Ie, it's not satanism, DUH.
>>
>>It was only ONE organization, the CoS that did a little bit more than
>>that -
>>which imo was way out of bounds. They tried to be proprietory over OUR
>>STUFF, as if THEY were the only ones out there with the "right" to
>>represent
>>it. OH, but they didn't represent it. The diametric opposite was true.
>>And so - that was made all very perfectly clear. Of course they got
>>pissed
>>off at me. I trashed the fucking shit out of them all. It's all out
>>there
>>to be read, dh. You just don't want to do the leg work.
>
> Neither do you apparently, but what you described makes sense.
Neither do I? I DID part of the leg work. Others did too. It's out there.
Read it.
> You would have been better off never having associated with the
> assholes in the first place,
OH, do you think I didn't know that BEFORE I ventured to even try this?
Sheesh, are you daft? We all knew what we were stepping into (a cesspool of
potentially very big shit). But SO many people waylayed from their own
paths due to this muckish shit. It had to be done - and now - it is DONE -
finished. Over with. The information is out there. That SHOULD be the end
of it, one might think.
Why do some of them bother me still, post anonymous shit to me? Because
that is WHAT they are, what they do.
but you tried to make something of value
> out of it. Hopefully you've learned better and it's not too late to get
> something worthwhile out of the experience, if there's anything to get.
It was not an experience for me. This is what you are not getting. EG, I
also entered into something political with 2 other people, KNOWING what
problems this might entail and even dangers. But we 3 did it - DID IT, did
it in a very big way - and we let the ball roll to other BIG organizations
out there (some of them fundie Christians, btw) - and we WON.
>
>>>>> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>>>>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>>>>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>>>>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>>>>
>>>>I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
>>
>>Let me be clear then, and up front. There is NOTHING SATANIC in Satanic
>>Reds.
>
> Oh yeah, you should CHANGE THE NAME too. Duh to you.
Well, that can't be done without making a whole new website - but if it were
changed, it would NOT come up in a google search. We have a FAQ. That is
sufficient enough. The stuff is clear enough. It's obviously NOT about the
devil!
>
>>Hell, the god damned FAQ is clear enough. Can't you read?
>
> Only some things.
I really don't care what's not clear to people like you. Anyone can join
or not join.
>
>>Vedanta
>>and eastern philosophy is NOT SATANISM, duh. YES, Sat and Tan is a PUN,
>>not
>>some etymological reality, as I had to tell our online archiver about 50
>>fucking times. It's a PUN - WE MADE the damned pun. YES, we call it
>>satanic so that google brings it up. It's NOT satanic - even the damned
>>Priest asked me why on earth we call it that when there is not one SHREAD
>>of
>>Satan on there. DUH. google search. silence on the phone - then he
>>laughed.
>
> He laughed because you're an idiot.
No, he laughed because he said it was a good idea. He's also now a friend,
btw. He's the one that wrote that thing up on Guardians of Darkness.
>
>>DAMN are you thick.
>>>
>>> If I recall correctly Tani disagrees with herself in a number of
>>> ways, so she might not be sure either.
>>
>>You are not used to casual easy going people who don't particularly give a
>>shit about RELIGION one way or the other. Eastern stuff is NOT religion.
>>It's more like a philosophy
>
> Nope. Not when it involves a supposed, mindless, dark spiritual ray
> which
> is neither dark, spiritual nor a ray...or anything else along those lines.
Darkness is One. Go read it again. It doesn't matter about the 5 truths
and the 7 forms. The darkness is ONE. Two titles for it for an eg: Sri
Kala Chakra. Mahakala. ONE.
>
>>and people are MORE OR LESS of it, with it. I
>>like what I like - and fuck the rest of it. I don't care about the rest
>>of
>>it. I can go on and on about Obama/McCain - but you know - who gets
>>elected
>>is gonna be the president.
>
> I thought you live in some other country on a rocky island or something
> like that.
>
>>Fuck it. He's gonna do what he's gonna do.
>>Period. Fuck it. What happens, happens. You are just NOT used to people
>>that LIVE like that. It's cultural - and it's a MAJOR culture clash with
>>western people. So - white boy, just screw off.
>>>
>>>>> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>>>>> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>>>>> >basis of COS philosophy.
>>
>>THANK YOU for agreeing with me Kori!
>
> She probably laughed at you for being an idiot like the priest did.
There you go again, misrepresenting the Priest or something. He thought it
was a very good idea - and he NEVER would have thought of doing something
like that. But he caught the clue and well, GOD (Guardians of Darkness) is
HIS site, for the most part. Other people also put stuf on there. He also
thought of the GOD letters that would come up from an abbreviatio of the
title of the site :) He caught on.
>
>>THEY are the ones that duped people,
>>in writing, more than once, duped people into thinking that our stuff was
>>the FOUNDATION of their garbage, soul-killing rot (you heard me there -
>>SOUL
>>KILLING).
>
> There you get close to religion again. Here's an idea: Why not
> quit with the dishonest denials and accept that what you have in
> mind is very likely to be the same sort of thing that all people feel
> when they have a spiritualy positive experience.
I never denied that, DH. You just kept ignoring what I said and twisting it
around. I never said I was an atheist. But I also said I'm not INTERESTED
in religion. I.e., talking about it, getting into it with others, etc.
Just NOT interested. Sure, it's very spiritually positive. I never denied
that, either. You are the only one that seems to NOT quite catch on - and
you are a pest about it.
>
>>What I've posted here? I sell monographs that are the diametric
>>opposite of everything that hellish org represents. Our stuff ENLIGHTENS
>>people, uplifts people - or else it does nothing for those not interested
>>in
>>it. It doesn't do what the CoS does - which imo is NEGATIVE in the
>>extreme.
>
> Yet you've opposed me for encouraging similar feelings.
No I didn't. Your interpretation, not my intention. I think you being on
here is a waste of time and energy - and you are ALL OVER this newsgroup.
Hey, it's your time.
My pov only: it does them no good, nothing they do does them good, but they
enjoy snickering at strangers or other people. And what little they enjoy
from this klippothic behavior, the joy passes quickly and they are back to
being their own miserable empty selves. That's my pov. I can't speak for
all of them, but only for the ones I managed to encounter when I got online.
I don't like them. They remind me of the people my beach pal says she
encounters at her Lutheran Church - the ladies there, they are the biggest
gossips on the planet, always sitting around bad-mouthing everyone else. I
asked her why she goes there. No answer! They do the same thing - and they
are in a Lutheran church. They aren't into Satan. But when they do this
shit, they aren't talking religion, either. They are klippoth, all of them.
>
>>Oh let me just shut the fuck up. You dislike me - and I dislike you.
>
> But you don't really have reason to dislike me as I have to dislike
> you, since you're always overly the asshole in my direction.
I accept that you don't even know HOW you were an asshole toward me, but you
did it in this very post and I nailed you on it. You presume to speak for
what the Priest felt, without knowing the details. And of course, it's
always anti-Tani. And again, you are WRONG. He copied what I did after
laughing and saying "that's a very good idea." But you never assumed that -
you never assume the positive regarding me. I notice that. That makes you
SHIT in my eyes. My enemy. Period. You are one of the klippoth, from my
estimation, because of what I can see you DO and you DO it a lot and to a
lot of people.
That's
> just your nature and I've learned to accept it, and it also give me
> justification to be an ass toward you when I want to but then you
> get pissy. All criticisms I make could be for your own benefit though,
> afaik. If I ever am critical or assholish in a way that could hurt you
> or make you screw up, please let me know and I'll try to correct
> the mistake.
>
>>But
>>do not MISrepresent me - which is what you tend to always do -
>
> No, but it feels like that to you when I point out things like
> how you disagree with yourself, or when you refer to non-spiritual
> things as being spiritual, and stuff like that.
That's an example. Eastern spirituality is NOT LIKE western spirituality. I
can't really relate to western spirituaity - OR to the so-called western
occult stuff - but I understand what stupid shit they are saying. And
western people can't understand eastern spirutuality. So they obviously
can't relate to it - or rarely can they.
>
>>and so I
>>start to get sarcastic and mocking, only you don't catch it.
>
> I don't respond to all of it and have learned to accept it because
> that's the type person you are.
When I'm casually hanging with in people in a very casual setting, I never
tend to tell them what they should do with their lives, or what they should
do any other way, especially when their lives are great and the have a lot
of leisure and such. When I run into people not-so casual that start up
with that, enough's enough - I tend to get very sarcastic. EG: "Why don't
you change your clothes in the car?" Is that a STUPID question or what? I
might answer, "Oh, I DO change in the car, I also cook my meals in the car,
you know, here's the steak and I light matches one after the other and hold
the steak over it little by little till it's done." MOCKERY. Or the stupid
question out of the blue: "Why don't you apply for a government grant and
write up some thing on new energy, all you have to do is just present
findings." Answer: "Why don't YOU do that, go ahead, defraud the
government?" Or I just look away and say nothing, because I tire VERY
quickly of having to open my mouth and make sounds come out shaped as words
in answer to STUPID QUESTIONS that don't deserve answers.
When I do respond similarly then
> you get pissy about it. I do a lot less of that shit than you do and
> still you dislike me. If I did as much or more than you then think
> how much more...not that it matters whether we like each other
> or not but letting it get out of hand can make it impossible to get
> any benefit out of this other than flaming practice.
>
>>Whatever. I
>>can't even RELATE to your mindset or your questions
>
> Because you don't try because they're outside your mental
> safety zone. We've been through all that before.
There you go again with your mental safety zones. With me, everything is
INNER, spirituality is INNER. It's not something out there. If you knew
what I had to live in for 20 years or so, you'd NOT go thinking I have any
safety zones. It's just pathetic.
Now, drop this conversation. It's boring the SHIT out of me. I also don't
like posting to this fucking newsgroup too much. You just don't accept
that. You have to start in with intelligence, safety zones and a bunch of
other ridiculous shit that trips my "flame the asshole" buttons and finally
my killfile button.
Comm
<dh@.> wrote in message news:0okkd4pdedipq74k6...@4ax.com...
I could care less what total strangers think. People that are my friends
and close associates know ME - and they know better. People think Obama is
a Marxist - something I find laughable. Does he care? He's a public figure
running for president.
Others will wonder if you just want to be and
> maybe even think you are, but feel that the things you say are not in the
> least bit like Satanism.
They can always ask me and if they are sincere enough, they'll GET an
answer. The FAQ is there, dh. Keep in mind, I'm not the only author of it.
That's the way I thought about it, and wondered
> how screwed up you are for not being able to figure it out. Now you've
> cleared that up, but I still wonder how screwed up you are for other
> reasons of course. And one of the btw is the fact that you still hang on
> to anything to do with Satanism when you should have gotten completely
> away from it--including the name!--a long time ago.
I never ws involved in it except to st.... I already explained that. Refuse
to type it again. I could care less what STRANGERS online that I'll never
meet think.
>
> . . .
>>Nobody in their right mind with any kind of reading ability would EVER
>>equate or even connect our stuff with them - or any other satanic
>>organization out there.
>
> Oh yeah, that's another thing you do...you lie to yourself. The truth
> is that YOU have made the connection,
Nope. The only connection is the "darkness thing." That's it. That's
perfectly clear to about 1000 people (of many religions) in the SR, btw -
even the ones for whom English is a second language find it perfectly
clear.
and even when people notice
> that what you talk about doesn't sound the least bit Satanic you have
> still associated it with Satanism. So people are going to naturally think
> that you WANT it to be Satanic, and so it almost certainly IS in some
> ways Satanic even if you're not saying anything about how. And since
> we know Satanists can't be trusted in the least, people are STILL going
> to suspect that you want to be and in some ways are associated with
> Satanism even when you deny it like you're doing. YOU have created
> a situation which prevents people from really being able to trust you or
> what you claim to represent, to sum it up.
Not ME. US. A group of people. I explained why - and it's going to stay
that way, at least for the foreseeable future. And more, the Priest did it,
too, on Guardians of Darkness. You don't know how he got in touch with me,
do you. He had a calling to be a Priest as a young boy. He's an old man
now, and tho he had faith, he never FELT the presense of God. For some
reason (I forgot what he said about that part), he was checking out the
satanic organizations out there. He ran into SR and read "Darkness is One"
and had a BONAFIDE in-touch-with-GOD experience. It shook him up. He felt
he had to get in touch, talk - so we talked about a GREAT deal of things
(his dime). I enjoyed the conversation. He also laughed for 15 minutes, he
said, when he read that "spell" under Compassion or whatever we called it.
He RECOGNIZED IT. He said "OH MY GOD!" He wondered where we even got that.
I told him :) There is a little note about the author of it at the bottom,
without naming the author. And so. Don't ask. Another person, an atheist,
said that in 105 weather she got CHILLS reading that (that's a spiritual
experience she had, but would never admit to that!). Anyway, the Priest got
in contact with me. I confirmed he was who he said he was - and so it goes.
We talked. And yes, I can do html :) I also called him once, my dime
(EXPENSIVE) to get information for Bobo on via negativa and via positiva. I
got the correct defintion of what all that was about. You apparently missed
all those posts. NO, I will not search them or reiterate them for you. Too
much typing.
dh
You deliberately associate yourself with Satanism for the world to see.
>People that are my friends
>and close associates know ME - and they know better. People think Obama is
>a Marxist - something I find laughable. Does he care? He's a public figure
>running for president.
>
>Others will wonder if you just want to be and
>> maybe even think you are, but feel that the things you say are not in the
>> least bit like Satanism.
>
>They can always ask me and if they are sincere enough, they'll GET an
>answer.
The obvious thing is for people to take it for granted that you are
Satanic. Why you want to deny something so obvious, especially
considering the fact that you caused it to be that way deliberately
in the first place, is a huge question. And unfortunately, it's one
you're not likely to ever be able to answer.
>The FAQ is there, dh. Keep in mind, I'm not the only author of it.
Do you think they all deny the beast and their own association
with him, or do you think you're the only one who does?
>That's the way I thought about it, and wondered
>> how screwed up you are for not being able to figure it out. Now you've
>> cleared that up, but I still wonder how screwed up you are for other
>> reasons of course. And one of the btw is the fact that you still hang on
>> to anything to do with Satanism when you should have gotten completely
>> away from it--including the name!--a long time ago.
>
>I never ws involved in it except to st.... I already explained that. Refuse
>to type it again. I could care less what STRANGERS online that I'll never
>meet think.
You deliberately influence them to believe you're associated
with Satan, which you almost certainly are if he exists even if
you don't want to be.
>> . . .
>>>Nobody in their right mind with any kind of reading ability would EVER
>>>equate or even connect our stuff with them - or any other satanic
>>>organization out there.
>>
>> Oh yeah, that's another thing you do...you lie to yourself. The truth
>> is that YOU have made the connection,
>
>Nope.
You did it deliberately.
>The only connection is the "darkness thing." That's it. That's
>perfectly clear to about 1000 people (of many religions) in the SR, btw -
>even the ones for whom English is a second language find it perfectly
>clear.
You give the clear impression that you're associated with Satanism.
>and even when people notice
>> that what you talk about doesn't sound the least bit Satanic you have
>> still associated it with Satanism. So people are going to naturally think
>> that you WANT it to be Satanic, and so it almost certainly IS in some
>> ways Satanic even if you're not saying anything about how. And since
>> we know Satanists can't be trusted in the least, people are STILL going
>> to suspect that you want to be and in some ways are associated with
>> Satanism even when you deny it like you're doing. YOU have created
>> a situation which prevents people from really being able to trust you or
>> what you claim to represent, to sum it up.
>
>Not ME. US.
Notice that you go from being proud of coming up with the idea to
wanting to "blame" it on a group of people.
>A group of people. I explained why - and it's going to stay
>that way, at least for the foreseeable future. And more, the Priest did it,
>too, on Guardians of Darkness. You don't know how he got in touch with me,
>do you. He had a calling to be a Priest as a young boy. He's an old man
>now, and tho he had faith, he never FELT the presense of God. For some
>reason (I forgot what he said about that part), he was checking out the
>satanic organizations out there. He ran into SR and read "Darkness is One"
>and had a BONAFIDE in-touch-with-GOD experience. It shook him up. He felt
>he had to get in touch, talk - so we talked about a GREAT deal of things
>(his dime). I enjoyed the conversation. He also laughed for 15 minutes, he
>said, when he read that "spell" under Compassion or whatever we called it.
>He RECOGNIZED IT. He said "OH MY GOD!" He wondered where we even got that.
>I told him :) There is a little note about the author of it at the bottom,
>without naming the author. And so. Don't ask. Another person, an atheist,
>said that in 105 weather she got CHILLS reading that (that's a spiritual
>experience she had, but would never admit to that!). Anyway, the Priest got
>in contact with me. I confirmed he was who he said he was - and so it goes.
>We talked. And yes, I can do html :) I also called him once, my dime
>(EXPENSIVE) to get information for Bobo on via negativa and via positiva. I
>got the correct defintion of what all that was about. You apparently missed
>all those posts. NO, I will not search them or reiterate them for you. Too
>much typing.
It would take a lot less time for you to present what you're talking
about than it would for me to try to go figure out what it is. You apparently
can NOT appreciate the great significance of that fact.
dh
>
><dh@.> wrote in message news:4elkd4tijcn073obr...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:34:54 -0400, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><dh@.> wrote in message news:makhd4tnmgctn6b7t...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
>>>> <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen a priest admit he was offering anything to the
>>>> princes of hell.
>>>
>>>If you SINCERELY want an extremely (and long) detailed account of the
>>>Church
>>>of Satan prior to and up to 1975, you can read it in what Michael Aquino
>>>wrote - and it's not "him writing it." It's not him "making up" or
>>>"having
>>>opinions" or "paraphrasing." No no. He has letters, documents, all that
>>>and more to back it up. After all, he was only #2 person in that
>>>organization!
>>>
>>>My take? I think Anton believed in the Devil, even wrote himself a "pact"
>>>with the devil and kept it safe - and then he got disillusioned.
>>
>> It seems I suggested something similar in the past and you suggested
>> I was stupid for suggesting it.
>
>Nope, you remember completely wrong. I read Aquino's book. You didn't.
I didn't have to. I figured it out from Howard's book, and suggested
he really believes and supports the beast, and feel quite certain you
insulted me for considering the possibility of the beast's existence.
Anything I brought up that could be linked to Christianity you ridiculed
as if you somehow learned the whole thing is bullshit.
>I have someone on our own site about his belief in the devil.
How about sharing some evidence of that, if so.
>YOU didn't read it.
Of course I would have if you had presented it, and
will be happy to if you do.
If you think it has some significant concepts, just share what
they are. If not, there's no point in reading it anyway. We go
through that a lot.
>or is it "outside your mental safety zone?" [TM dh] .
I try to consider all possibilities.
>They
>ran my ad - bottom line. Our stuff is not satanism. If you really want to
>know, you'll take the time and read it.
>>
>>>My "involvement" with any and all satanic organizations (public ones) out
>>>there in the past was very simple. I had information to convey to people
>>>that THINK they are into the debble. I had no way to get it to them.
>>>These
>>>orgs did - they had mailing lists and publications. I wrote for them -
>>>and
>>>they printed every single thing I and others my way gave them in their
>>>official publications - and in return - THEY RAN OUR AD. Get it? It's
>>>very
>>>simple! That's the published documentation for ya. Did I ever put a
>>>single
>>>thing of their shit in our monographs? HELL NO! Oh, and they all handed
>>>out these dumb "high" titles that meant absolutely nothing - and never got
>>>used! Our stuff IS featured in "Lucifer Rising" as Dark Doctrines
>>
>> What I've read of your stuff doesn't sound at all like what Satanists
>> would want to get involved with or even appreciate.
>
>For the most part, you are correct. But there are quite a number of people
>that have a feeling for our stuff, eastern stuff - but have no idea what
>that could be when they first recognize a feel for it. It's dark, for
>sure - so they MIGHT tend to think "could that be Satan?" But, they don't
>identify with any kind of "anti God" concept or being.
You led me to believe none of you do, which is when I pointed
out that if there's no being there's no spirit, so you wanted to change
the meaning of the word spirit to include things that don't have any
spirit for whatever reason(s), and it went completely to shit from there.
>All they know is
>that it's dark. It feels dark. Now at least they can find out about it and
>if they want, get directed to eastern stuff. I found it pretty strange when
>the top people in the CoS wrote things saying that this stuff was the
>"foundations" of satanism, meaning THEIR satanism. Well, how did they
>figure that? I never really asked. Maybe "dark force in nature" is how
>they might have figured that, making a kind of jump to that one tiny thing.
>I mean, THEY said that. I did not say it.
What if there's a bright force too, but you can't get in touch
with that?
>Maybe you deserve
>> whatever ills have come your way for trying to associate something with
>> Satanism that you should never have tried to associate with it.
>
>I have very very few ills that come my way, dh. VERY few.
If you really didn't want to suck up to the beast then I feel
confident God would know that if he cares, even if he doesn't
like you dragging the force through hell. Maybe he did want
you too though, and he has more influence over you than
the beast. I try to consider the possibilities.
>If you refer to
>that "without merit" lawsuit, there are a LOT of people on there being sued,
>none of them have anything do do with, any relation to, "satanism."
> Aquino - it's iffy. But absolutely NONE of the others. One was a freaking
>JUROR (a good reason to AVOID jury duty!) It had to be done. Too many
>people were being HARMED in the inner sense, by the garbage out there, as I
>saw it, and I'm not the only one seeing it. It HAD to be done.
>
>The people you are defining as being influenced by your "beast" are people
>we define as klippothic (more familiar word in the west) or preta
>(unfamiliar eastern word). It's a very different concept, but in a funny
>way, it's not THAT different at all. Klippothic people DO try to spread
>their misery and make others like themselves. WE just do not attribute
>their condition to some outside entity.
Considering the possibility is outside your safety zone.
>It's an inner condition that they have.
That's the only possibility inside your safety zone, and even it
can get contaminated if we consider the possibility that the supposed
...ray/nonray... has some sort of influence on the people whether
it does so deliberately or not.
>Many religions are infested with them - and they tend to crave power
>and rise to the top, unfortunately.
>>
>>> - Kerry
>>>Bolton is speaking for the Dark Doctrines in that book. It is noted that
>>>it
>>>is VERY different stuff. Ie, it's not satanism, DUH.
>>>
>>>It was only ONE organization, the CoS that did a little bit more than
>>>that -
>>>which imo was way out of bounds. They tried to be proprietory over OUR
>>>STUFF, as if THEY were the only ones out there with the "right" to
>>>represent
>>>it. OH, but they didn't represent it. The diametric opposite was true.
>>>And so - that was made all very perfectly clear. Of course they got
>>>pissed
>>>off at me. I trashed the fucking shit out of them all. It's all out
>>>there
>>>to be read, dh. You just don't want to do the leg work.
>>
>> Neither do you apparently, but what you described makes sense.
>
>Neither do I?
You don't present examples, just insist they exist.
>I DID part of the leg work. Others did too. It's out there.
>Read it.
You don't back up your own claims with examples, and I'm not
ready to volunteer doing it for you.
>> You would have been better off never having associated with the
>> assholes in the first place,
>
>OH, do you think I didn't know that BEFORE I ventured to even try this?
I don't know how much of an idiot you are.
>Sheesh, are you daft?
Actually I do tend to overestimate people, so you probably thought
it was going to be wonderful in every way.
>We all knew what we were stepping into (a cesspool of
>potentially very big shit). But SO many people waylayed from their own
>paths due to this muckish shit. It had to be done - and now - it is DONE -
>finished. Over with. The information is out there.
I your shit still on the beast's websites?
>That SHOULD be the end of it, one might think.
Not if you're still there, and maybe even if you've finally left.
>Why do some of them bother me still, post anonymous shit to me? Because
>that is WHAT they are, what they do.
It's what we do in ngs. You're no innocent yourself.
>but you tried to make something of value
>> out of it. Hopefully you've learned better and it's not too late to get
>> something worthwhile out of the experience, if there's anything to get.
>
>It was not an experience for me. This is what you are not getting.
That's because you did have experience. You've even mentioned
some of it.
>EG, I
>also entered into something political with 2 other people, KNOWING what
>problems this might entail and even dangers. But we 3 did it - DID IT, did
>it in a very big way - and we let the ball roll to other BIG organizations
>out there (some of them fundie Christians, btw) - and we WON.
What did you win?
>>>>>> Most of this "Satanic" stuff seems
>>>>>> to be more personally oriented than anything else, and she tried
>>>>>> to apply it to a group she wanted to be accepted by or something
>>>>>> like that. She lost focus if she ever had any to begin with it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think Tani is the only one who knows for sure.
>>>
>>>Let me be clear then, and up front. There is NOTHING SATANIC in Satanic
>>>Reds.
>>
>> Oh yeah, you should CHANGE THE NAME too. Duh to you.
>
>Well, that can't be done without making a whole new website -
You'd be approaching it and presenting it in a completely
different way, so it would all have to be re-done to get the
beast out of it...if you could even do it then.
>but if it were
>changed, it would NOT come up in a google search.
You would need to find another thing to call it. Maybe
if you ask "it" to help you it will. Wouldn't that be fun!
>We have a FAQ. That is
>sufficient enough. The stuff is clear enough.
No it's not.
>It's obviously NOT about the devil!
No, it appears obvious that it IS. You did that intentionally.
I explained all that before, and that even when you say it's
not specifically some people will still believe it really is and
you're lying, which makes complete and total sense to believe
since the beast is known for being a liar, as is Howard....
You have no interest in how things appear to people other
than yourself it seems. If you put some effort into that it might
help you a good bit.
>>>Hell, the god damned FAQ is clear enough. Can't you read?
>>
>> Only some things.
>
>I really don't care what's not clear to people like you. Anyone can join
>or not join.
>>
>>>Vedanta
>>>and eastern philosophy is NOT SATANISM, duh. YES, Sat and Tan is a PUN,
>>>not
>>>some etymological reality, as I had to tell our online archiver about 50
>>>fucking times. It's a PUN - WE MADE the damned pun. YES, we call it
>>>satanic so that google brings it up. It's NOT satanic - even the damned
>>>Priest asked me why on earth we call it that when there is not one SHREAD
>>>of
>>>Satan on there. DUH. google search. silence on the phone - then he
>>>laughed.
>>
>> He laughed because you're an idiot.
>
>No, he laughed because he said it was a good idea. He's also now a friend,
>btw. He's the one that wrote that thing up on Guardians of Darkness.
So does the beast have more influence on both of you, or does
the creator if they exist and have any? The way things are it certainly
would make sense that the beast does, but could it also make sense
that the creator does?
>>>DAMN are you thick.
>>>>
>>>> If I recall correctly Tani disagrees with herself in a number of
>>>> ways, so she might not be sure either.
>>>
>>>You are not used to casual easy going people who don't particularly give a
>>>shit about RELIGION one way or the other. Eastern stuff is NOT religion.
>>>It's more like a philosophy
>>
>> Nope. Not when it involves a supposed, mindless, dark spiritual ray
>> which
>> is neither dark, spiritual nor a ray...or anything else along those lines.
>
>Darkness is One. Go read it again.
There you go again.
>It doesn't matter about the 5 truths and the 7 forms.
They probably don't exist anyway if you're right about the
ray/nonray having no intelligence.
>The darkness is ONE. Two titles for it for an eg: Sri
>Kala Chakra. Mahakala. ONE.
>>
>>>and people are MORE OR LESS of it, with it. I
>>>like what I like - and fuck the rest of it. I don't care about the rest
>>>of
>>>it. I can go on and on about Obama/McCain - but you know - who gets
>>>elected
>>>is gonna be the president.
>>
>> I thought you live in some other country on a rocky island or something
>> like that.
>>
>>>Fuck it. He's gonna do what he's gonna do.
>>>Period. Fuck it. What happens, happens. You are just NOT used to people
>>>that LIVE like that. It's cultural - and it's a MAJOR culture clash with
>>>western people. So - white boy, just screw off.
>>>>
>>>>>> >Despite what Tani has posted here for almost a decade
>>>>>> >now, her goofy org's 'doctrines' are not -- and never were -- the
>>>>>> >basis of COS philosophy.
>>>
>>>THANK YOU for agreeing with me Kori!
>>
>> She probably laughed at you for being an idiot like the priest did.
>
>There you go again, misrepresenting the Priest or something. He thought it
>was a very good idea - and he NEVER would have thought of doing something
>like that. But he caught the clue
It's beginning to look pretty obvious that the beast has both of
you if he exists.
>and well, GOD (Guardians of Darkness) is HIS site, for the most part.
That does smack very strongly of beastiness, no doubt.
>Other people also put stuf on there. He also
>thought of the GOD letters that would come up from an abbreviatio of the
>title of the site :) He caught on.
The beast working through the priest.
>>>THEY are the ones that duped people,
>>>in writing, more than once, duped people into thinking that our stuff was
>>>the FOUNDATION of their garbage, soul-killing rot (you heard me there -
>>>SOUL
>>>KILLING).
>>
>> There you get close to religion again. Here's an idea: Why not
>> quit with the dishonest denials and accept that what you have in
>> mind is very likely to be the same sort of thing that all people feel
>> when they have a spiritualy positive experience.
>
>I never denied that, DH.
You talked as if all Christians were stupid morons for considering
the possibility of God's existence. Interestingly you didn't do the
same thing towards the Jews and Muslims, and I remember pointing
that out to you before.
>You just kept ignoring what I said and twisting it
>around. I never said I was an atheist.
Actions often speak much louder than words, and you insulted
the idea of considering the possibility of God's existence.
>But I also said I'm not INTERESTED
>in religion. I.e., talking about it, getting into it with others, etc.
>Just NOT interested. Sure, it's very spiritually positive. I never denied
>that, either. You are the only one that seems to NOT quite catch on - and
>you are a pest about it.
>>
>>>What I've posted here? I sell monographs that are the diametric
>>>opposite of everything that hellish org represents. Our stuff ENLIGHTENS
>>>people, uplifts people - or else it does nothing for those not interested
>>>in
>>>it. It doesn't do what the CoS does - which imo is NEGATIVE in the
>>>extreme.
>>
>> Yet you've opposed me for encouraging similar feelings.
>
>No I didn't. Your interpretation, not my intention. I think you being on
>here is a waste of time and energy -
I tie things together to get a more complete interpretation of the
whole. Since that's the opposite of what you do, it might explain
why it doesn't make sense to you.
That's probably true of a high percentage of them.
>I can't speak for
>all of them, but only for the ones I managed to encounter when I got online.
>I don't like them. They remind me of the people my beach pal says she
>encounters at her Lutheran Church - the ladies there, they are the biggest
>gossips on the planet, always sitting around bad-mouthing everyone else. I
>asked her why she goes there. No answer! They do the same thing - and they
>are in a Lutheran church. They aren't into Satan. But when they do this
>shit, they aren't talking religion, either. They are klippoth, all of them.
People aren't supposed to trash each other like that according
to God's books, which is the opposite of what the beast's book
encourages. I have no doubt the beast has influence on people
in church like anywhere else if he exists.
>>>Oh let me just shut the fuck up. You dislike me - and I dislike you.
>>
>> But you don't really have reason to dislike me as I have to dislike
>> you, since you're always overly the asshole in my direction.
>
>I accept that you don't even know HOW you were an asshole toward me,
Hopefully I was aware of the ways that were deliberate. I'd appologise
for the ones that were accidental if you hadn't been such a deliberate
asshole toward me. But that's what we do here. If there are some you
feel especially unjustly assholed by let me know and maybe I'll feel bad
about them after all.
>but you
>did it in this very post and I nailed you on it. You presume to speak for
>what the Priest felt, without knowing the details.
That's because it's what a good priest would have thought, since
that's what goes along with the God idea. See, I told you I overestimate
people, and that's a perfect example right there.
>And of course, it's always anti-Tani.
Not really. You really are anti-myass, but pretty much all I do is
encourage you to think more which is in your better interests,
not your worse. You get a partial du for that one.
>And again, you are WRONG. He copied what I did after
>laughing and saying "that's a very good idea." But you never assumed that -
I overestimated him.
>you never assume the positive regarding me.
Buddying up to the beast is a wrong move for a decent
priest, and maybe it is for you too.
>I notice that. That makes you SHIT in my eyes. My enemy.
You started it.
>Period.
It's in your nature to start it, and we both know it.
>You are one of the klippoth, from my
>estimation, because of what I can see you DO and you DO it a lot and to a
>lot of people.
I point out bullshit and significant things people try to disregard
because they're outside of their comfort zone. It's what I do.
>That's
>> just your nature and I've learned to accept it, and it also give me
>> justification to be an ass toward you when I want to but then you
>> get pissy. All criticisms I make could be for your own benefit though,
>> afaik. If I ever am critical or assholish in a way that could hurt you
>> or make you screw up, please let me know and I'll try to correct
>> the mistake.
>>
>>>But
>>>do not MISrepresent me - which is what you tend to always do -
>>
>> No, but it feels like that to you when I point out things like
>> how you disagree with yourself, or when you refer to non-spiritual
>> things as being spiritual, and stuff like that.
>
>That's an example. Eastern spirituality is NOT LIKE western spirituality. I
>can't really relate to western spirituaity - OR to the so-called western
>occult stuff - but I understand what stupid shit they are saying.
You believe considering the possibility of God's existence to be
stupid, which is stupid.
>And
>western people can't understand eastern spirutuality. So they obviously
>can't relate to it - or rarely can they.
No intelligence means no spirit. Intelligence means God, whatever
that means...
>>>and so I
>>>start to get sarcastic and mocking, only you don't catch it.
>>
>> I don't respond to all of it and have learned to accept it because
>> that's the type person you are.
>
>When I'm casually hanging with in people in a very casual setting, I never
>tend to tell them what they should do with their lives, or what they should
>do any other way, especially when their lives are great and the have a lot
>of leisure and such. When I run into people not-so casual that start up
>with that, enough's enough - I tend to get very sarcastic. EG: "Why don't
>you change your clothes in the car?" Is that a STUPID question or what?
Chances are you never found out whether it was or not, so we'll
never know.
>I might answer, "Oh, I DO change in the car, I also cook my meals in the car,
>you know, here's the steak and I light matches one after the other and hold
>the steak over it little by little till it's done."
Do you wash the dishes in the car too?
>MOCKERY. Or the stupid
>question out of the blue: "Why don't you apply for a government grant and
>write up some thing on new energy, all you have to do is just present
>findings." Answer: "Why don't YOU do that, go ahead, defraud the
>government?" Or I just look away and say nothing, because I tire VERY
>quickly of having to open my mouth and make sounds come out shaped as words
>in answer to STUPID QUESTIONS that don't deserve answers.
>
>When I do respond similarly then
>> you get pissy about it. I do a lot less of that shit than you do and
>> still you dislike me. If I did as much or more than you then think
>> how much more...not that it matters whether we like each other
>> or not but letting it get out of hand can make it impossible to get
>> any benefit out of this other than flaming practice.
>>
>>>Whatever. I
>>>can't even RELATE to your mindset or your questions
>>
>> Because you don't try because they're outside your mental
>> safety zone. We've been through all that before.
>
>There you go again with your mental safety zones. With me, everything is
>INNER, spirituality is INNER.
If it's only inner then it's not spirituality but only imagination. I'm afraid
you have to get a full duh for that one Tani.
>It's not something out there. If you knew
>what I had to live in for 20 years or so, you'd NOT go thinking I have any
>safety zones. It's just pathetic.
Regardless of what you've done you do have safety zones. Maybe
the only way you could know for sure would be if you were to move
beyond them. If you realy did, I wonder if you'd retreat back to them
again, or move on leaving them far behind.
>Now, drop this conversation. It's boring the SHIT out of me.
Your severe restrictions don't give a you any wiggle room...your
safety zone is too tight.
>I also don't
>like posting to this fucking newsgroup too much. You just don't accept
>that. You have to start in with intelligence,
It necessarily must be taken into consideration of course, and then
either accepted or rejected as a possibility.
Note from the other guy's pov: Those of us who accept it as a possibility
will continue to consider it even after others of you reject it.
>safety zones
They're extremely significant as well of course, since they determine
what you allow yourself to take into consideration. Your restrictions shape
what you allow yourself to think about, and so what you end up thinking.
>and a bunch of
>other ridiculous shit that trips my "flame the asshole" buttons and finally
>my killfile button.
Encouraging you to think beyond your safety zone kicks in
your cognitive dissonance big time, which is what maintains your
safety zone to begin with. The dissonance is very uncomfortable,
and people want badly to make it go away. You probably want to
overcome your little zone and move on deep within yourself, but
your outer self which would have to deal with it is afraid things
would get too complicated or something so is afraid to try.
Comm
<dh@.> wrote in message news:nud1e41nf049ibe29...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:44:19 -0400, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Nope, you remember completely wrong. I read Aquino's book. You didn't.
>
> I didn't have to. I figured it out from Howard's book, and suggested
> he really believes and supports the beast, and feel quite certain you
> insulted me for considering the possibility of the beast's existence.
> Anything I brought up that could be linked to Christianity you ridiculed
> as if you somehow learned the whole thing is bullshit.
Feel free to feel certain.
>
>>I have someone on our own site about his belief in the devil.
>
> How about sharing some evidence of that, if so.
Can't do the leg work, dh?
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/lavey-devil.html
>
>>YOU didn't read it.
>
> Of course I would have if you had presented it, and
> will be happy to if you do.
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/lavey-devil.html
Aquino's book is about 800 pages long. All of it is significant.
We have information on the "bright force" as well. As I suspected, you
never read a single url I presented you with. The bright force is IN ME, IN
US. What get in touch with it? It's here.
>
>>Maybe you deserve
>>> whatever ills have come your way for trying to associate something with
>>> Satanism that you should never have tried to associate with it.
>>
>>I have very very few ills that come my way, dh. VERY few.
>
> If you really didn't want to suck up to the beast then I feel
> confident God would know that if he cares, even if he doesn't
> like you dragging the force through hell. Maybe he did want
> you too though, and he has more influence over you than
> the beast. I try to consider the possibilities.
You are delusional, imo.
>
>>If you refer to
>>that "without merit" lawsuit, there are a LOT of people on there being
>>sued,
>>none of them have anything do do with, any relation to, "satanism."
>> Aquino - it's iffy. But absolutely NONE of the others. One was a
>> freaking
>>JUROR (a good reason to AVOID jury duty!) It had to be done. Too many
>>people were being HARMED in the inner sense, by the garbage out there, as
>>I
>>saw it, and I'm not the only one seeing it. It HAD to be done.
>>
>>The people you are defining as being influenced by your "beast" are people
>>we define as klippothic (more familiar word in the west) or preta
>>(unfamiliar eastern word). It's a very different concept, but in a funny
>>way, it's not THAT different at all. Klippothic people DO try to spread
>>their misery and make others like themselves. WE just do not attribute
>>their condition to some outside entity.
>
> Considering the possibility is outside your safety zone.
>>It's an inner condition that they have.
>
> That's the only possibility inside your safety zone, and even it
> can get contaminated if we consider the possibility that the supposed
> ...ray/nonray... has some sort of influence on the people whether
> it does so deliberately or not.
You are the one with safety zones - and you are a dualist, imo, a stupid
person. Feel free to remain stupid and zealous in your own beliefs.
I'm not an idiot. But you most certainly are. What I did has helped MANY
people, people far beyond the confines of the "idiots that think they want
to get into the devil" groups. I'm glad for that. Mission accomplished.
Period.
>
>>Sheesh, are you daft?
>
> Actually I do tend to overestimate people, so you probably thought
> it was going to be wonderful in every way.
There you go again.
>
> You'd be approaching it and presenting it in a completely
> different way, so it would all have to be re-done to get the
> beast out of it...if you could even do it then.
You and your beast. You are definitely affected by that shit.
Comm
related to the Christian bogeyman devil stupidity - thankfully. There ARE
intelligent people out there.
<dh@.> wrote in message news:kod1e41lvjf76aecg...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:57:39 -0400, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>
> You deliberately associate yourself with Satanism for the world to see.
>
>
> The obvious thing is for people to take it for granted that you are
> Satanic. Why you want to deny something so obvious, especially
> considering the fact that you caused it to be that way deliberately
> in the first place, is a huge question. And unfortunately, it's one
> you're not likely to ever be able to answer.
Why WE did that is easily answered. Already explained it.
>
>>The FAQ is there, dh. Keep in mind, I'm not the only author of it.
>
> Do you think they all deny the beast and their own association
> with him, or do you think you're the only one who does?
Most do in the SR. They don't believe in any of that stupid shit.
> You deliberately influence them to believe you're associated
> with Satan, which you almost certainly are if he exists even if
> you don't want to be.
You are an idiot. It's INTENDED for people that THINK they want to get into
a devil concept. It's DELIBERATELY up there for the people I so referred
to. Darkness/Light theology is NOT western, not Christian, and 99% of
people that read any of it KNOW this very clearly. You must be part of the
1% dummies out there.
>
> You give the clear impression that you're associated with Satanism.
Only to morons that don't delve beneath the surface. I could care less what
they think. And stop making this personal.
.
>>
>>Not ME. US.
>
> Notice that you go from being proud of coming up with the idea to
> wanting to "blame" it on a group of people.
No, the FAQ clearly states WE.
I could care less about the idiots. The information, CATCHING those that
type in "satanism" either because they want to get into it, or because they
thought, at first, that this was a satanic org and found out it wasn't, has
helped a great many people. The INFORMATION is out there, it has helped a
great many people. I could care less if YOU like it or not.
Now - you have become a pest. Fuck off.
PLONK time.
dh
Probably not, since you don't want to try to explain how you're
claiming that it did.
Kori Houghton
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:11:41 -0400, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
> >Your mistake. "I". "You." It's "WE". Only very few fools think it's
> >related to the Christian bogeyman devil stupidity - thankfully. There ARE
> >intelligent people out there.
>
Ya know, d00d, if you search the alt.satanism archive on Google you
will find discussions on this topic going back 5-6 years. This is all
old news.
If you read Tani's post with just a casual glance, I think you will
find a clue there: CATCHING (all caps are hers). That's right, she
and her group are trying to catch email -- and possible personal or
organizational -- information and passing this to higher ups
(founders?) in her group for ???? purpose. She sez this activity is
about potentially helping people who would otherwise find what they
are looking for (information about satanism). Maybe. Or, maybe
not.
Have you visited the website for Satanic Reds? Did you see the page
there of links to 'Satanic Reds Member Sites'? One link is titled
'The Family Worldwide' but it's a dummy site, there to CATCH people
looking for The Family, a decades old cult with a history of child
abuse. The keyword meta tags on The Family Worldwide dummy site:
meta name="keywords" content="mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse,
serial killer, murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th
digit dogma, absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape"
Keywords for the main SR site:
meta name="keywords" content="satan, satanism, satanic, LHP, lucifer,
devil, demon, demons, cthulhu, innsmouth, arkham, nyarlathotep,
darkness, void, satanist, evil, mythos, lovecraft. witchcraft, wicca,
magic, occult, Left Hand Path, roosevelt, FDR, progressive,
empowerment, political, social, economy, economic, hermetic, dark,
peace, enlightenment, evolution, freethought"
Notice that keywords like "dark doctrines" and others actually more
relevant to, and descriptive of, the material there are not included.
Tani is casting a wide net to CATCH people using very generic search
terms.
Are you CATCHING a clue here? These sites are FISHING expeditions, in
other words -- BAIT.
Only a sucka takes the bait.
Luv,
Kori
>
>
>
> >The INFORMATION is out there, it has helped a
> >great many people. I could care less if YOU like it or not.
>
> >Now - you have become a pest. Fuck off.
>
> >PLONK time.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Comm
>
> Probably not, since you don't want to try to explain how you're
> claiming that it did.
Ya know, d00d, if you search the alt.satanism archive on Google you
will find discussions on this topic going back 5-6 years. This is all
old news.
If you read Tani's post with just a casual glance, I think you will
find a clue there: CATCHING (all caps are hers). That's right, she
and her group are trying to catch email -- and possible personal or
organizational -- information and passing this to higher ups
(founders?) in her group for ???? purpose. She sez this activity is
about potentially helping people who would otherwise find what they
are looking for (information about satanism). Maybe. Or, maybe
not.
You are paranoid. CATCH people interested in darkness/light theology that
MISTAKENLY think it's related to Christian devil bullshit and end up getting
waylaid.
THANK YOU for informing me of a non-existent sight link - and those
metawords. That will be eliminated. There was obviously something good up
there at one time. I don't exactly check up on all that all the time. I
don't give anyone's information out.
Comm
"Kori Houghton" <koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:347ba962-06a0-42d1...@t65g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
You are as paranoid as the lady that was visited by aliens, for sure.
Higher ups? Handlers? Lord have MERCY woman, if you knew how god damned
funny that was, you'd blush. I mean, it's really funny.
I'd crack a few jokes about MK Ultra and other tin foil hat shit - but now
is not exactly the best time for me to joke about that - not when loons take
it seriously.
This is one example of why it was good I did not put you in killfile of this
account. I found out something I wasn't aware of - and for that - THANKS
KORI.
I, or another, get information from a member about their org. So we check
it - it is good, it gets linked. Years go by, the sight is either gone, or
drastically changed. Who knew? I don't have time to check up on the stuff.
Nobody has time these days - others are working two god damned jobs, or 90
hour jobs. Nyarlathotep Lodge is no longer up. Just found that out too.
Darkness/light theology is not satanic - but there are some that still
insist on thinking it is, whether or not they LIKE it as positive, or see it
as negative. I'm sure the likes of pentacostalists might think it is,
they'd think Hinduism is satanism too, I think - I'm pretty sure they
would - but then, I'm not sure. Vamacara is LHP. Perhaps I should check
ALL the links - even ones that SR members have nothing to do with. There
are other links up there to Vamacara and Sanatana Dharma sites, but I have
no idea if they are still good links, they've been up there for years. I
have no time for it right now.
Hey - You do it for me, OK?
THANKS.
T.
Kori Houghton
> "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:347ba962-06a0-42d1...@t65g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> You are as paranoid as the lady that was visited by aliens, for sure.
> Higher ups?
Sure. Higher ups. As in the org founders. You know, the folks who
can boot someone, according to what you've posted here, from Satanic
Reds for not giving appropriate keyboard or lip service to the 10
principles or some bulldada. That's a pretty good definition of
'higher ups' in an organization: those who have experience and/or
authority to interpret the group's founding and/or operating
principles and procedures. Nothing unearthly about it.
> Handlers?
There was nothing in my post about this. ???
> Lord have MERCY woman, if you knew how god damned
> funny that was, you'd blush. I mean, it's really funny.
What? That you're mentally editing my post and responding to
something I didn't write?
> I'd crack a few jokes about MK Ultra and other tin foil hat shit - but now
> is not exactly the best time for me to joke about that - not when loons take
> it seriously.
What are you jabbering about?
>
> This is one example of why it was good I did not put you in killfile of this
> account. I found out something I wasn't aware of - and for that - THANKS
> KORI.
Unaware? I've posted comments about the 'Family Worldwide' link on
your site several times over the years. You responded to these posts,
then, without reading them? Good to know. Thanks for reference, now
in the Google archives. I guess you're being a little more careful
about how Satanic Reds (mis)represents itself these days?
> I, or another, get information from a member about their org. So we check
> it - it is good, it gets linked. Years go by, the sight is either gone, or
> drastically changed. Who knew? I don't have time to check up on the stuff.
Okaaaaay....that link with those keywords has been on the SR linked
groups page for years now. I first found it way back when Mr. Swick
was blowing your strumpet trumpet.
> Nobody has time these days - others are working two god damned jobs, or 90
> hour jobs. Nyarlathotep Lodge is no longer up. Just found that out too.
>
> Darkness/light theology is not satanic - but there are some that still
> insist on thinking it is, whether or not they LIKE it as positive, or see it
> as negative. I'm sure the likes of pentacostalists might think it is,
> they'd think Hinduism is satanism too, I think - I'm pretty sure they
> would - but then, I'm not sure. Vamacara is LHP. Perhaps I should check
> ALL the links - even ones that SR members have nothing to do with. There
> are other links up there to Vamacara and Sanatana Dharma sites, but I have
> no idea if they are still good links, they've been up there for years. I
> have no time for it right now.
>
> Hey - You do it for me, OK?
>
> THANKS.
>
> T.
Only if it serves my purpose in helping Google create an archived
collection of Tani's various usenet swimming strokes up or down the
Bullshit River. There may be others out there planning to sue you,
considering the threatening and defamatory posts you've made (and
letters you've mailed) over the last decade or so. The info that your
org knowingly posed as an assciate of cultic/ritual child abuse
is...interesting.
Luv,
Kori
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On Jul 19, 2:04 am, "Tani Jantsang =A9" <tjs...@spam.com> wrote:
> Let's see about them then, here it comes for all to review ONCE MORE, ONE
> MORE TIME:
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - committed suicide after his honeymoon - COS member, foun=
der of
> Satanic Combat joke.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - in jail for molesting a child or two. Ygraine's husband=
-
> Priest of the COS.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* had her kids taken from her for abuse. W------ stupidly t=
hought
> Petey Boy might DO somethign about it, but instead he was told to stop
> giving out court documents about the issue.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* , Priest of the COS and former pedophile (convicted) - aga=
in in
> jail for child pornography.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - on America's Most Wanted for raping his child. He had j=
ust
> quit the COS one month prior to that.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - no longer a man. His gender is unknown.
>
> Oh, this could go on. These are facts.
Let's go on then, shall we?
Taking a peek at Syphillis's SATANIC REDS MEMBER SITES page at
http://geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
we see a link to "The Family Worldwide" (left column, 7th down).
Click on the link to here, and find...not much
http://www.geocities.com/thefamilyworldwide/ Interesting keywords
netatag, though : mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse, serial killer,
murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th digit dogma,
absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape. What fun, eh? Tani/
Syphillis and her kee-rappy org stand for lots of wholesome "Family"
things! Or maybe these keywords are as meaningful a description of SR
principles as that short list above of crims -- and just some folks
that SyPhyl doesn't like -- are an indication of what the vast
majority of COS members/officials are about, considering the COS has
been around for over 40 years now?
But it is always good for a laugh to see Tani playing with her sox
(like Fritz) here on alt.silly. Maybe she'll tell those who just
joined this NG about how one can purchase private (as in TOS)
documents courtesy of SR. Or how she has a well-documented history of
sponsoring plagiarism on the SR site. Go, Tani, go!
Kori
Comm
On Oct 1, 8:35 pm, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
> "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Unaware? I've posted comments about the 'Family Worldwide' link on
your site several times over the years. You responded to these posts,
then, without reading them? Good to know. Thanks for reference, now
in the Google archives. I guess you're being a little more careful
> about how Satanic Reds (mis)represents itself these days?
Yup, unaware. Not paying attention. I have no idea what Family Worldwide
even is. Chances are, whoever made the site was going to put more up there
and never got to it.
> I, or another, get information from a member about their org. So we check
> it - it is good, it gets linked. Years go by, the sight is either gone, or
> drastically changed. Who knew? I don't have time to check up on the stuff.
> Okaaaaay....that link with those keywords has been on the SR linked
groups page for years now. I first found it way back when Mr. Swick
was blowing your strumpet trumpet.
I don't check people's keywords.
> Nobody has time these days - others are working two god damned jobs, or 90
> hour jobs. Nyarlathotep Lodge is no longer up. Just found that out too.
>
> Darkness/light theology is not satanic - but there are some that still
> insist on thinking it is, whether or not they LIKE it as positive, or see
> it
> as negative. I'm sure the likes of pentacostalists might think it is,
> they'd think Hinduism is satanism too, I think - I'm pretty sure they
> would - but then, I'm not sure. Vamacara is LHP. Perhaps I should check
> ALL the links - even ones that SR members have nothing to do with. There
> are other links up there to Vamacara and Sanatana Dharma sites, but I have
> no idea if they are still good links, they've been up there for years. I
> have no time for it right now.
>
> Hey - You do it for me, OK?
>
> THANKS.
>
> T.
> Only if it serves my purpose in helping Google create an archived
collection of Tani's various usenet swimming strokes up or down the
Bullshit River. There may be others out there planning to sue you,
considering the threatening and defamatory posts you've made (and
letters you've mailed) over the last decade or so. The info that your
org knowingly posed as an assciate of cultic/ritual child abuse
> is...interesting.
I can sue too, as I explained. Suits go nowhere if they are without merit.
Internet flaming is protected these days, free speech. Suits are without
merit. That simple. DDocs are good. Period. I don't care if YOU don't
like them. There is nothing bullshit about them.
Comm
On Oct 1, 8:35 pm, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
The info that your
org knowingly posed as an assciate of cultic/ritual child abuse
is...interesting.
HUH? What's that about?
Documentation
------------------
That was the truth, not libel. John Davis is the name.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - in jail for molesting a child or two. Ygraine's husband=
-
> Priest of the COS. William Gidney is the name.
Truth, not libel.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* had her kids taken from her for abuse. W------ stupidly t=
hought
> Petey Boy might DO somethign about it, but instead he was told to stop
> giving out court documents about the issue.
Truth, not libel.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* , Priest of the COS and former pedophile (convicted) - aga=
in in
> jail for child pornography.
Thomas Blumenthal name. Truth, not libel.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - on America's Most Wanted for raping his child. He had j=
ust
> quit the COS one month prior to that.
Russel Smith, truth not libel.
>
> *NAME SNIPPED* - no longer a man. His gender is unknown.
>
> Oh, this could go on. These are facts.
Let's go on then, shall we?
> Taking a peek at Syphillis's SATANIC REDS MEMBER SITES page at
http://geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
You have libeled me there.
> we see a link to "The Family Worldwide" (left column, 7th down).
Click on the link to here, and find...not much
http://www.geocities.com/thefamilyworldwide/ Interesting keywords
netatag, though : mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse, serial killer,
murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th digit dogma,
absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape. What fun, eh? Tani/
Syphillis and her kee-rappy org stand for lots of wholesome "Family"
things! Or maybe these keywords are as meaningful a description of SR
principles as that short list above of crims -- and just some folks
that SyPhyl doesn't like -- are an indication of what the vast
majority of COS members/officials are about, considering the COS has
been around for over 40 years now?
But it is always good for a laugh to see Tani playing with her sox
(like Fritz) here on alt.silly. Maybe she'll tell those who just
joined this NG about how one can purchase private (as in TOS)
documents courtesy of SR. Or how she has a well-documented history of
sponsoring plagiarism on the SR site. Go, Tani, go!
Libel of me there. TOS? We have no connection to the TOS, except in your
mind.
Kori
Kori Houghton
> "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f1a20c99-7de5-4bce...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 1, 8:35 pm, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> > "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > Unaware? I've posted comments about the 'Family Worldwide' link on
>
> your site several times over the years. You responded to these posts,
> then, without reading them? Good to know. Thanks for reference, now
> in the Google archives. I guess you're being a little more careful
>
> > about how Satanic Reds (mis)represents itself these days?
>
> Yup, unaware. Not paying attention. I have no idea what Family Worldwide
> even is. Chances are, whoever made the site was going to put more up there
> and never got to it.
I noticed the link in 2005. The site doesn't seem to have been
changed during that time. Three + years is a long time to be unaware
of your links page, which is a rather important aspect of any web
site.
The Family Worldwide is the Family International, formerly known as
the Children of God, a quasi-christian cult known for sexual
explotation/abuse of the children of its members. Bad juju. Really,
really bad juju.
So, none of the SR members or (especially) SR founders/leaders ever
check the links and the orgs they belong to? Never, ever? Then any
group -- or individual pretending to represent a group -- could
arrange a link on the SR site without said link being periodically
checked out for having potentially negative consequences for the
Satanic Reds? Duh??? That's like hanging a sign on your house when
you go on vacation which sez: c'mon in and build another Lee County
grow house, I've left the door unlocked for ya!
I don't believe you're that stupid, Tani.
Luv,
Kori
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> Taking a peek at Syphillis's SATANIC REDS MEMBER SITES page athttp://geocities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
>
> we see a link to "The Family Worldwide" (left column, 7th down).
> Click on the link to here, and find...not much
>
> http://www.geocities.com/thefamilyworldwide/ Interesting keywords
> netatag, though : mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse, serial killer,
> murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th digit dogma,
> absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape. What fun, eh? Tani/
> Syphillis and her kee-rappy org stand for lots of wholesome "Family"
> things! Or maybe these keywords are as meaningful a description of SR
> principles as that short list above of crims -- and just some folks
> that SyPhyl doesn't like -- are an indication of what the vast
> majority of COS members/officials are about, considering the COS has
> been around for over 40 years now?
>
> But it is always good for a laugh to see Tani playing with her sox
> (like Fritz) here on alt.silly. Maybe she'll tell those who just
> joined this NG about how one can purchase private (as in TOS)
> documents courtesy of SR. Or how she has a well-documented history of
> sponsoring plagiarism on the SR site. Go, Tani, go!
>
> Kori- Hide quoted text -
.dh
Right. Hence the question. How could she even try to create
the impression that going on about completely unrelated bullshit
is a help to people interested in either Satanism OR the particular
type of bullshit she actually goes on about?
>Maybe. Or, maybe not.
There are a couple of things I've learned to be true of Tani.
One is that she's full of shit, and another is that she's horrible
at trying to think things through or tie things together. How much
is deliberate dishonesty and how much is actual mental disfuntion
often/usually becomes the big question.
>Have you visited the website for Satanic Reds?
Years ago. It didn't appear to have any real association with
Satanism, but since it was associated by the internet that makes
it associated by deliberate intention if nothing else. If Satan does
exist it seems pretty obvious he manipulated those peope into
creating the association for whatever reasons he has for it.
>Did you see the page
>there of links to 'Satanic Reds Member Sites'? One link is titled
>'The Family Worldwide' but it's a dummy site, there to CATCH people
>looking for The Family, a decades old cult with a history of child
>abuse. The keyword meta tags on The Family Worldwide dummy site:
>
>meta name="keywords" content="mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse,
>serial killer, murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th
>digit dogma, absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape"
>
>Keywords for the main SR site:
>
>meta name="keywords" content="satan, satanism, satanic, LHP, lucifer,
>devil, demon, demons, cthulhu, innsmouth, arkham, nyarlathotep,
>darkness, void, satanist, evil, mythos, lovecraft. witchcraft, wicca,
>magic, occult, Left Hand Path, roosevelt, FDR, progressive,
>empowerment, political, social, economy, economic, hermetic, dark,
>peace, enlightenment, evolution, freethought"
>
>Notice that keywords like "dark doctrines" and others actually more
>relevant to, and descriptive of, the material there are not included.
>Tani is casting a wide net to CATCH people using very generic search
>terms.
>
>Are you CATCHING a clue here? These sites are FISHING expeditions, in
>other words -- BAIT.
>
>Only a sucka takes the bait.
>
>Luv,
>Kori
That one is an extreme in bullshit even for the internet,
and people can't know in advance how full of shit it is.
They have to go and find out, and even then they can't
tell how screwed up it is unless they dig in to find out by
asking someone about it. And even if they go that far
they have no reason to believe whoever answers them
isn't lying. It's not a Satanic idea as far as we can tell,
and Tani denies that it really is associated with Satanism.
But it is, by deliberate intent. Is Tani really too stupid to
comprehend the significance of all that, or any of it, or
does she really know all about it but is being deliberately
dishonest? It seems it always gets down to that with her...
Wanda Tinasky
Great observation there.
IMO, Tani will resort to blaming one of the other "org founders" who's
job is supposed to manage the website, but apparently "dropped the
ball." This is her MO from years back. Anytime someone offended her
sensibilities, she'd use others to do her dirty work (i.e. Brendan,
Jason, Gerber et al.). What's interesting about this is white power
types use the same tactic. Coincidence? I dunno. Usually these folks
employ minors which is what Tani did by using founder and gay pr0n
star DC Chandler to harass people in alt.satanism when she was
offended.
Luv,
Wanda
marques de sade
<koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 10:30=A0am, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>> "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f1a20c99-7de5-4bce...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 1, 8:35 pm, "Comm" <N...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Kori Houghton" <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > Unaware? =A0I've posted comments about the 'Family Worldwide' link on
>>
>> your site several times over the years. =A0You responded to these posts,
>> then, without reading them? =A0Good to know. =A0Thanks for reference, now
>> in the Google archives. =A0I guess you're being a little more careful
>>
>> > about how Satanic Reds (mis)represents itself these days?
>>
>> Yup, unaware. =A0Not paying attention. =A0I have no idea what Family Worl=
>dwide
>> even is. =A0Chances are, whoever made the site was going to put more up t=
>here
>> and never got to it.
>
>I noticed the link in 2005. The site doesn't seem to have been
>changed during that time. Three + years is a long time to be unaware
>of your links page, which is a rather important aspect of any web
>site.
>
>The Family Worldwide is the Family International, formerly known as
>the Children of God, a quasi-christian cult known for sexual
>explotation/abuse of the children of its members. Bad juju. Really,
>really bad juju.
the United States government allows this sexual abuse of children?
>
>So, none of the SR members or (especially) SR founders/leaders ever
>check the links and the orgs they belong to? Never, ever? Then any
>group -- or individual pretending to represent a group -- could
>arrange a link on the SR site without said link being periodically
>checked out for having potentially negative consequences for the
>Satanic Reds? Duh??? That's like hanging a sign on your house when
>you go on vacation which sez: c'mon in and build another Lee County
>grow house, I've left the door unlocked for ya!
>
>I don't believe you're that stupid, Tani.
>
>Luv,
>Kori
>
>
>>
>> > I, or another, get information from a member about their org. So we che=
>ck
>> > it - it is good, it gets linked. Years go by, the sight is either gone,=
> or
>> > drastically changed. Who knew? I don't have time to check up on the stu=
>ff.
>> > Okaaaaay....that link with those keywords has been on the SR linked
>>
>> groups page for years now. =A0I first found it way back when Mr. Swick
>> was blowing your strumpet trumpet.
>>
>> I don't check people's keywords.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Nobody has time these days - others are working two god damned jobs, or=
> 90
>> > hour jobs. Nyarlathotep Lodge is no longer up. Just found that out too.
>>
>> > Darkness/light theology is not satanic - but there are some that still
>> > insist on thinking it is, whether or not they LIKE it as positive, or s=
>ee
>> > it
>> > as negative. I'm sure the likes of pentacostalists might think it is,
>> > they'd think Hinduism is satanism too, I think - I'm pretty sure they
>> > would - but then, I'm not sure. Vamacara is LHP. Perhaps I should check
>> > ALL the links - even ones that SR members have nothing to do with. Ther=
>e
>> > are other links up there to Vamacara and Sanatana Dharma sites, but I h=
>ave
>> > no idea if they are still good links, they've been up there for years. =
>I
>> > have no time for it right now.
>>
>> > Hey - You do it for me, OK?
>>
>> > THANKS.
>>
>> > T.
>> > Only if it serves my purpose in helping Google create an archived
>>
>> collection of Tani's various usenet swimming strokes up or down the
>> Bullshit River. =A0There may be others out there planning to sue you,
>> considering the threatening and defamatory posts you've made (and
>> letters you've mailed) over the last decade or so. =A0The info that your
>> org knowingly posed as an assciate of cultic/ritual child abuse
>>
>> > is...interesting.
>>
>> I can sue too, as I explained. =A0Suits go nowhere if they are without me=
>rit.
>> Internet flaming is protected these days, free speech. =A0Suits are witho=
>ut
>> merit. =A0That simple. =A0DDocs are good. =A0Period. =A0I don't care if Y=
>OU don't
>> like them. =A0There is nothing bullshit about them.
>>
>> Luv,
>> Kori
>>
>> -------------------
>> Documentation
>> ------------------
>>
>> Message from discussion Satanists Say NO To Drugs!
>>
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>> Newsgroups: alt.politics.satanism,alt.satanism
>> Subject: Re: Satanists Say NO To Drugs!
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:11:47 -0700
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>> On Jul 19, 2:04 am, "Tani Jantsang =3DA9" <tjs...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Let's see about them then, here it comes for all to review ONCE MORE, O=
>NE
>> > MORE TIME:
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* - committed suicide after his honeymoon - COS member, fo=
>un=3D
>> der of
>> > Satanic Combat joke.
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* - in jail for molesting a child or two. =A0Ygraine's hus=
>band=3D
>> =A0-
>> > Priest of the COS.
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* had her kids taken from her for abuse. =A0W------ stupid=
>ly t=3D
>> hought
>> > Petey Boy might DO somethign about it, but instead he was told to stop
>> > giving out court documents about the issue.
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* , Priest of the COS and former pedophile (convicted) - a=
>ga=3D
>> in in
>> > jail for child pornography.
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* - on America's Most Wanted for raping his child. =A0He h=
>ad j=3D
>> ust
>> > quit the COS one month prior to that.
>>
>> > *NAME SNIPPED* - no longer a man. =A0His gender is unknown.
>>
>> > Oh, this could go on. =A0These are facts.
>>
>> Let's go on then, shall we?
>>
>> Taking a peek at Syphillis's SATANIC REDS MEMBER SITES page athttp://geoc=
>ities.com/satanicreds/sr-orgs.html
>>
>> we see a link to "The Family Worldwide" (left column, 7th down).
>> Click on the link to here, and find...not much
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/thefamilyworldwide/=A0Interesting keywords
>> netatag, though : mx engel, masochrist, family, abuse, serial killer,
>> murder, satanic, cult, satan, evil, xeno, d8d, 8th digit dogma,
>> absinthe, abuse, sexual assault, rainn, rape. =A0What fun, eh? =A0Tani/
>> Syphillis and her kee-rappy org stand for lots of wholesome "Family"
>> things! =A0Or maybe these keywords are as meaningful a description of SR
>> principles as that short list above of crims -- and just some folks
>> that SyPhyl doesn't like -- are an indication of what the vast
>> majority of COS members/officials are about, considering the COS has
>> been around for over 40 years now?
>>
>> But it is always good for a laugh to see Tani playing with her sox
>> (like Fritz) here on alt.silly. =A0Maybe she'll tell those who just
>> joined this NG about how one can purchase private (as in TOS)
>> documents courtesy of SR. =A0Or how she has a well-documented history of
>> sponsoring plagiarism on the SR site. =A0Go, Tani, go!
>>
>> Kori- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
--
``In the Babylonian legends of creation the seven associate-gods, who are the creators in the Egyptian mythos, have been converted into the seven evil spirits of a later theology. And ... it is said of these seven evil spirits, 'The woman from the loins of the man they bring forth.' Thus the creation of woman is made to be the work of seven evil spirits,...'' -Gerald Massey
Kori Houghton
Of course not!
But someone has to know about the abuse before 'the man' can become
involved. Not at all simple or straightforward when the abuse takes
place within a group which has chosen to separate itself from
mainstream society. From what I've read, the Family (formerly
Children of God) kinda turned themselves in by publishing a book on
their practices/lifestyle that included illustrations/descriptions of
adult/child encounters which were abusive and illegal.
It's not unusual for what academics call 'intentional
communities' (what Joe Sixpack would call 'cults') to have issues with
conventional sexuality. Practices range from forbidding sex
altogether between adults (and having the group literally die out) to
sexualizing children. Phenomena not new in the 20th and 21st
centuries. None of them are groups I'd care to link to, even to a
website purported to be about the sordid details without endorsing
them. But that's me. I'm not down with the 'false memory syndrome'
people; I do think that abuse does sometimes take place within
intentional communities, and some of these communities consider
themselves religious groups.
Illegal? Yes. But hard to discover, investigate and prove.
Luv,
Kori
> ``In the Babylonian legends of creation the seven associate-gods, who are the creators in the Egyptian mythos, have been converted into the seven evil spirits of a later theology. And ... it is said of these seven evil spirits, 'The woman from the loins of the man they bring forth.' Thus the creation of woman is made to be the work of seven evil spirits,...'' -Gerald Massey- Hide quoted text -
marques de sade
<koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From what I've read, the Family (formerly
>Children of God) kinda turned themselves in by publishing a book on
>their practices/lifestyle that included illustrations/descriptions of
>adult/child encounters which were abusive and illegal.
sounds like prosecuting them should be a breeze, then...
until they're found guilty though... you're spewing....
Kori Houghton
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
>
> >From what I've read, the Family (formerly
> >Children of God) kinda turned themselves in by publishing a book on
> >their practices/lifestyle that included illustrations/descriptions of
> >adult/child encounters which were abusive and illegal.
>
> sounds like prosecuting them should be a breeze, then...
>
> until they're found guilty though... you're spewing....
"Prosecuting"? "Sprewing"? Whatever....if you want to learn about
The Family and/or Children of God, research it yourself, d00d. This
all happened decades ago.
Do you understand that the site the SRs linked to included no content
at any time I viewed it, a few tunes between 2005 and 2008? Just a
bunch of keywords related to the sensational aspects of The Family and
Children of God, mixed in with stuff like 'serial killers' and the
name of some band from the midwest. The same type of keyword misuse as
the Satanic Reds site does with satanism etc etc. Just some lame
attempt to have an empty site turn up in searches for information
about The Family.
That's what this thread is about. No courts, no lawyers, no legal
mumbo-jumbo.
Luv,
Kori
marques de sade
<koriho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 6, 5:08=A0pm, jesucris...@netscape.net (marques de sade) wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Kori Houghton
>>
>> <korihough...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >From what I've read, the Family (formerly
>> >Children of God) kinda turned themselves in by publishing a book on
>> >their practices/lifestyle that included illustrations/descriptions of
>> >adult/child encounters which were abusive and illegal.
>>
>> sounds like prosecuting them should be a breeze, then...
>>
>> until they're found guilty though... you're spewing....
>
>"Prosecuting"? "Sprewing"? Whatever....if you want to learn about
>The Family and/or Children of God, research it yourself, d00d. This
>all happened decades ago.
and aliens were here decades ago... but they never show their
face... no proof, no aliens...
>
>Do you understand that the site the SRs linked to included no content
>at any time I viewed it, a few tunes between 2005 and 2008? Just a
>bunch of keywords related to the sensational aspects of The Family and
>Children of God, mixed in with stuff like 'serial killers' and the
>name of some band from the midwest. The same type of keyword misuse as
>the Satanic Reds site does with satanism etc etc. Just some lame
>attempt to have an empty site turn up in searches for information
>about The Family.
i don't give a fuck...
>
>That's what this thread is about. No courts, no lawyers, no legal
>mumbo-jumbo.
it's none of my business... i'm not law enforcement or anything...
they should be monitoring this, so now they got the heads up...you
should be proud of yourself...
>
>Luv,
>Kori
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>> --
>> ``In the Babylonian legends of creation the seven associate-gods, who are=
> the creators in the Egyptian mythos, have been converted into the seven ev=
>il spirits of a later theology. And ... it is said of these seven evil spir=
>its, 'The woman from the loins of the man they bring forth.' Thus the creat=
>ion of woman is made to be the work of seven evil spirits,...'' -Gerald Mas=
>sey