Lawsuit over satanic Tee Shirt continues in R.I.
Circe
school and a boy who wants to wear a shirt that says 666 on it. The school
made him go home. And it has cost the town well over 60,000.00$ in
legalfees. The superintendent of the school board said that money could have
bought nice computers for the school. The boy said he just wants to
graduate. And other members of the board said if it were allowed ,What would
prevent other students from wearing attire containing racial slurs?
Well,after two years you'd think they would have had the school board at
least take a look at TSB as a reference source??
J Yuschenko
Instead of a uniform public school system, why not allow parents and kids
the right
to choose the educational system best for them.
Some could allow the shirt, some not
Some could be oriented towards science, others athletics and so forth
Set some minimal standards and let people organize schools
J Yuschenko
Circe <nan...@bright.net> wrote in message
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Circe
This brings back a memory to me. My girl or "BUD" as I called her
Beth Mckenzie and I were 13 it was 1972. We went to our local Kressge store
on foot mind you about a ten mile walk from the outskirts of town where we
lived still about 6 miles apart. Anyway we ripped off two leather jackets
that were actually vinyl and wrote in Majic Marker "Harley Fuckin' Davidson"
on the back and actually wore them to school the next day! We laughed so
hard.And you talk about a school uprising! Geeze! We got expelled for a week
and smoked weed all that time we were out of school.Beth always new where to
get weed.Like in her backyard??? LoL
"ShivaGirl" <Shiva...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If the school passed out a handbook that forbid certain types of clothing,
> then I'd say the school was right. If they didn't have a pre-established
> outline, then the kid is right.
>
> I'm not a big fan of school uniforms. I feel they strip kids of
> self-expression. But I understand schools frowning on certain types of
> clothing. In my day, it was anything advertising drugs or alcohol.
Nowadays,
> I've seen some shirts out there that I can see might cause a
> disruption...especially around smaller kids.
>
> But the schools themselves need to outline what they consider appropriate.
I
> know of at least one public school that recently forbade any black
clothing.
> But they made the announcement well in advance to the students.
>
>
>
>
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Les Masters
should only be disallowed if
shirts reading "jesus saves" and "WWJD?" be also be banned. What goes for one
should go for all
Rocio Carrasco
<Shiva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> But the schools themselves need to outline what they consider
> appropriate. I
> know of at least one public school that recently forbade any black
> clothing.
> But they made the announcement well in advance to the students.
>
No black clothing eh? Geez that is extreme. There are certain
Christian sects such as the Old Order Amish who wear all black. Not to
mention some Muslim women who dress in black from head to toe. These
people dress in black because their traditions emphasize the spiritual
instead of concern with bright, froo-froo colorful things "of this
world." Hell, we got some Russian Orthodox nuns across the street from
my school who dress in these long flowing black robes. I'm pulling out
of the parking lot and all the sudden I'm like..."What the hell is
that!...
oh it's just Mother Catherine coming down the street." I'm used to
seeing them by now though.
The color black means different things to different people; so for the
school to try to apply their misled aka 'wrong' interpretation to
everyone is bound to stir up some trouble with certain parents and
students.
Rocio
Faust
not seem too want to learn anything they don't already know.
On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:28:06 -0400, "Circe" <nan...@bright.net> wrote:
>I was just reading an article in todays paper about a battle between the
>school and a boy who wants to wear a shirt that says 666 on it. The school
>made him go home. And it has cost the town well over 60,000.00$ in
>legalfees. The superintendent of the school board said that money could have
>bought nice computers for the school. The boy said he just wants to
>graduate. And other members of the board said if it were allowed ,What would
>prevent other students from wearing attire containing racial slurs?
>Well,after two years you'd think they would have had the school board at
>least take a look at TSB as a reference source??
>
Faust
"The earlier bird may indeed get the worm... But it is the second mouse that gets the cheese!"
ShivaGirl
then I'd say the school was right. If they didn't have a pre-established
outline, then the kid is right.
I'm not a big fan of school uniforms. I feel they strip kids of
self-expression. But I understand schools frowning on certain types of
clothing. In my day, it was anything advertising drugs or alcohol. Nowadays,
I've seen some shirts out there that I can see might cause a
disruption...especially around smaller kids.
But the schools themselves need to outline what they consider appropriate. I
know of at least one public school that recently forbade any black clothing.
But they made the announcement well in advance to the students.
--
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"Circe" <nan...@bright.net> wrote in message
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ShivaGirl
"Les Masters" <lmas...@socket.net> wrote in message
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> I'm all for seperation of church and state. As far as this goes the shirt
> should only be disallowed if
> shirts reading "jesus saves" and "WWJD?" be also be banned. What goes for
one
> should go for all
I have to agree here too. I used to have a shirt with the image of my
namesake on it, and that set the xtian-minded teachers off. ( I was actually
named after a Tibetan Goddess simply because my Dad thought it was cool.) I
think it aggrivated them even more when I explained that to them.
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ShivaGirl
incident. I wrote a wonderful rant about it.
http://sirenproductions.com/ShivaGirl/Rantz/011800.htm
But I still find it amusing that black is often synonomous with evil, and
yet it is traditionally worn by clergy.
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"Rocio Carrasco" <sarr...@indy.net> wrote in message
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> In article <u5PI4.2141$MI....@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "ShivaGirl"
> <Shiva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > But the schools themselves need to outline what they consider
> > appropriate. I
> > know of at least one public school that recently forbade any black
> > clothing.
> > But they made the announcement well in advance to the students.
> >
>
Ygraine
>If the school passed out a handbook that forbid certain types of clothing,
>then I'd say the school was right. If they didn't have a pre-established
>outline, then the kid is right.
Legally, I'd agree.
I, however, support uniforms in school. I do so for many reasons. I feel that
if we have any hope of our public schools being meritocratic then we need to
level the playing field. Imagine if people were judged soley on the work they
produced, rather than the name on their ass. No more distractions based on
consumerism and envy. No more violence based on colors, or $200. sneakers.
Moreover, I believe in parental responsibility. We know that fucking causes
babies. We also know that if we breed and are short of time or money our kids
are at the mercy of the public system. We consider education a right, and it
is, but beyond educating, the public schools have no obligation to endure
whatever silly caprices or trends MTV has sold to the kiddies. If we want our
kids to have "freedom" that is our job, and not the tax-payers.
>I'm not a big fan of school uniforms. I feel they strip kids of
>self-expression.
Yes, they do. But they are not in school for "self-expression". They are
there to learn. It also would be helpful for them to know that in the real
world major corporations don't give a rat's ass about self-expression. In the
adult world they will often have to endure some level of conformity. The
schools could instill that lesson---the difference between free time and
work/school time.
>But I understand schools frowning on certain types of
>clothing. In my day, it was anything advertising drugs or alcohol. Nowadays,
>I've seen some shirts out there that I can see might cause a
>disruption...especially around
See, that is the legal crux. What is dispruptive to whom? I may hate and feel
upset by the Jesus Rox t-shirt, and my neighbor may be appalled by my kid's 666
one. That is why uniforms may be the only route to prevent discrimination.
Y~
Delila
>
>
> I, however, support uniforms in school. I do so for many reasons. I feel that
> if we have any hope of our public schools being meritocratic then we need to
> level the playing field. Imagine if people were judged soley on the work they
> produced, rather than the name on their ass. No more distractions based on
> consumerism and envy. No more violence based on colors, or $200. sneakers.
>
> See, that is the legal crux. What is dispruptive to whom? I may hate and feel
> upset by the Jesus Rox t-shirt, and my neighbor may be appalled by my kid's 666
> one. That is why uniforms may be the only route to prevent discrimination.
>
Right on!
Delila
ShivaGirl
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> Yes, they do. But they are not in school for "self-expression". They are
> there to learn. It also would be helpful for them to know that in the
real
> world major corporations don't give a rat's ass about self-expression. In
the
> adult world they will often have to endure some level of conformity. The
> schools could instill that lesson---the difference between free time and
> work/school time.
Yes, but I also believe that during a child's "school years" they are
struggling to find their own identities and need to express themselves. Far
as I know, school is the first chance most kids have at being in a social
enviroment where they are expected to interact with each other.
Maybe I have high expectations, or just a low opinion of corporate
conformity. I always got ahead by making damn sure I was noticed instead of
blending in with everyone else who resembled little more than clones. I
think self-esteem plays a big hand in that...which does start accumulating
at earlier ages.
> See, that is the legal crux. What is dispruptive to whom? I may hate and
feel
> upset by the Jesus Rox t-shirt, and my neighbor may be appalled by my
kid's 666
> one. That is why uniforms may be the only route to prevent
>discrimination.
Actually, I really feel that any type of religion should be kept out of
schools... including clothing. (And don't point out that I myself wore
shirts with Tibetan deities on it...I was 12 at the time!)
Again, something school guidelines should point out.
The Man-Like Madness
>If the school passed out a handbook that forbid certain types of clothing,
>then I'd say the school was right. If they didn't have a pre-established
>outline, then the kid is right.
>
>clothing. In my day, it was anything advertising drugs or alcohol.
Nowadays,
>I've seen some shirts out there that I can see might cause a
I agree with you about uniforms stripping kids of individuality. I also
think they hamper creativity. It can be especially traumatic to a child who
enjoys and needs to be seen and heard (extroverts).
I think kids should be issued white uniforms, and be given time in an art
class to use fabric dyes, patches, buttons, and any other random bits they
want to modify and make their uniforms unique.
GOBLIN
==================================
If your children speak to you in Latin or any other language which they
should not know, or if they speak to you using a voice which is other than
their own, shoot them immediately. It will save you a lot of grief in the
long run. NOTE: It will probably take several rounds to kill them, so be
prepared.
Nubianne Kthulah Black
>
> "Ygraine" <pbyg...@aol.comspareme> wrote in message
> news:20000412125505...@ng-cu1.aol.com...
> feel
> > upset by the Jesus Rox t-shirt, and my neighbor may be appalled by my
> kid's 666
> > one. That is why uniforms may be the only route to prevent
> >discrimination.
>
> Actually, I really feel that any type of religion should be kept out of
> schools... including clothing. (And don't point out that I myself wore
> shirts with Tibetan deities on it...I was 12 at the time!)
>
> Again, something school guidelines should point out.
Here in Israel, almost all schools require uniforms. They are usually
t-shirts and sweatshirts with the school logo on them. They are
supposed to wear either jeans or a certain color sweatpants or skirts
(usually black, grey, blue, drab colors) as well. That's as far as they
go. Kids still have alot of room for individuality in their dress.
--
W.INKBlack
Dan
school, they have no right to tell students what is allowed on a
tee-shirt. If it is a private school that had made their policy known
ahead of time, the kid got what he deserved.
"Circe" <nan...@bright.net> wrote:
>I was just reading an article in todays paper about a battle between the
>school and a boy who wants to wear a shirt that says 666 on it. The school
>made him go home. And it has cost the town well over 60,000.00$ in
>legalfees. The superintendent of the school board said that money could have
>bought nice computers for the school. The boy said he just wants to
>graduate. And other members of the board said if it were allowed ,What would
>prevent other students from wearing attire containing racial slurs?
>Well,after two years you'd think they would have had the school board at
>least take a look at TSB as a reference source??
>
Daniel Gislao
Member, Libertarian Party
www.lp.org
Love Your Country, Fear Your Government!
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A. Device
or we'll all have to look like Information Society for 12 years (also cool).
Anathema/T.
> I think kids should be issued white uniforms, and be given time in an art
> class to use fabric dyes, patches, buttons, and any other random bits they
> want to modify and make their uniforms unique.
>
> GOBLIN
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"Where would I be without all my toys?
Where would I be without sampled noise?
Where would I be without seeing you again?
Where would I be without IBM?"
The Man-Like Madness
>And then either artists will achieve a higher standing in our society
(cool)
>or we'll all have to look like Information Society for 12 years (also
cool).
Exactly. Artists really are the evolutionary peak of human development, the
only people of any real importance in the grand overview of human history.
(As a professional artists I may, possibly, be biased).
GOBLIN
==================================from the sufi
Mullah Nasrudin once entered a store and asked
the proprietor, "Have you seen me before?"
"No," was the prompt answer.
"Then," cried Nasrudin, "How do you know it is me?"
Circe
website? Or do you even put your art up on the web for others to see?
www.celeron.cc
"The Man-Like Madness" <mka...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
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The Man-Like Madness
>If your're a professional artist where is your work located do you have a
>website? Or do you even put your art up on the web for others to see?
I do not have a website. I work in film. My portfolio is mostly
advertising pieces and short films, and a music video. The paid work I have
done so far as been limited to filming wedding ceremonies and directing
local TV ads (two so far).
I just recently secured a contract for series of "How To" videos for an
auto-parts manufacturer, and the job will pay for the equipment I need to
open my own studio (I currently rent my equipment), at which point I can
produce my own feature length film.
sinfuleyes
> I just recently secured a contract for series of "How To" videos for
an
> auto-parts manufacturer, and the job will pay for the equipment
You mean like the advertisements the guy was making in the movie "Tommy
Boy?"
In article <frEJ4.46325$9g4.1...@news5.giganews.com>,
"The Man-Like Madness" <mka...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> Circe wrote in message ...
> >If your're a professional artist where is your work located do you
have a
> >website? Or do you even put your art up on the web for others to see?
>
> I do not have a website. I work in film. My portfolio is mostly
> advertising pieces and short films, and a music video. The paid work
I have
> done so far as been limited to filming wedding ceremonies and
directing
> local TV ads (two so far).
>
I need to
> open my own studio (I currently rent my equipment), at which point I
can
> produce my own feature length film.
>
> GOBLIN
> ==================================
> If your children speak to you in Latin or any other language which
they
> should not know, or if they speak to you using a voice which is other
than
> their own, shoot them immediately. It will save you a lot of grief in
the
> long run. NOTE: It will probably take several rounds to kill them, so
be
> prepared.
>
>
--
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