Jesus Christ still loves you.
rht...@gmail.com
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
any
should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
~
Jesus the Christ still loves you.
rht...@gmail.com
Rev. Red Hot Lava
I love Jesus too! Especially because of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_(game)
St. Jackanapes
In alt.satanism, thunked really hard and typed out this...
Jesus hates me. He told me so himself. Are you calling Him a liar?
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>
>In alt.satanism, thunked really hard and typed out this...
>
>> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>> everlasting life.
>>
>> Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
>> other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
>>
>> 2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
>> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
>> any
>> should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
>> ~
>> Jesus the Christ still loves you.
>> rht...@gmail.com
>
>Jesus hates me. He told me so himself. Are you calling Him a liar?
Could he love you? For what? Would he care if you disbelieve?
If so, he would know whether you really do have faith that he
doesn't exist or if you're pretending to as you ridicule believers,
while you yourself consider the same possibility in the LAMEST
OF WAYS. He would know that you ridicule other people who are
doing a MUCH better job at something you obviously suck badly at.
Or. He would know if you do have faith that he doesn't exist.
Are you ashamed of your faith, or can you admit it? Can you admit
that you've just put your faith in a possibility which you have chosen
to accept--your guess--like everyone else does? Like the Baptists,
and the Catholics, and the Jews, and the Hindus and the etc...?
He would know if you truly believe your guess to be "knowledge".
If that's the case, could he love you and pitty you for being so
stupid? What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
doesn't exist? Maybe he would truly know that your buddy who
you also probably believe does not exist is going to influence
whoever he can to believe neither of them exist, and Jesus
doesn't really give a shit unless you decide to put your faith in
him...or maybe just to give a real effort he might help you along
after you make the first move. Maybe not. Maybe you feel like
you've tried but you never really did, so it doesn't count. I doubt
he'd love you, but maybe he knows all this and can relate to you
to some extent even if you never become acceptable to him.
Hopefully he'll like you well enough to not really toss you in
the flames forever, even if you never become acceptable for
another life.
dh
If Jesus exists you could have much reason to love him, but how could
he have reason to love you?
Rev. Red Hot Lava
>
> - Show quoted text -
i don't know
Rev. Red Hot Lava
>
> - Show quoted text -
all i know is that everywhere i turn around here is another lie or
half-truth and i can't do anything about it except live and die for
whats right.
as a medium i've been demon-possessed for days and days and seen none
of the goodness around me until recently, but it becomes more and more
obvious as the seconds tick by.
It's not that the world is being offered to me, I'm just opening my
eyes to the splendor put before me, and my autistic self-involvement
is become less of a hindrance day by day.
Existence is no Joke.
Velvet Elvis
>If that's the case, could he love you and pitty you for being so
>stupid?
Well there goes another irony meter.
--
Consider the ignorance of the average fundamentalist.
Then realize that by definition, fully half of them
must be even dumber than that.
dh
>On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, dh@. pointed out:
>
>>He would know if you truly believe your guess to be "knowledge".
>>If that's the case, could he love you and pitty you for being so
>>stupid? What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
>>doesn't exist?
>
>Well there goes another irony meter.
LOL...and another one...LOL...
dh
>On Sep 21, 11:47 am, dh@. wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:28:08 -0700 (PDT), "Rev. Red Hot Lava" <juurgenizixexo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 18, 12:36 pm, rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
>> >> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
>> >> everlasting life.
>>
>> >> Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
>> >> other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
>>
>> >> 2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
>> >> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
>> >> any
>> >> should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
>> >> ~
>> >> Jesus the Christ still loves you.
>> >> rht...@gmail.com
>>
>> >I love Jesus too!
>>
>> If Jesus exists you could have much reason to love him, but how could
>> he have reason to love you?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>all i know is that everywhere i turn around here is another lie or
>half-truth
That's probably the most significant aspect of "Satanism". The crumbs
of truth associated with it will be hidden and denied when revealed. That's
all part of it, so accepting it would be a first step in looking at it all realistically.
Cognitive dissonance tries to prevent people from even *considering* making
that step, and it's a very powerful influence on the human mind.
>and i can't do anything about it except live and die for
>whats right.
What's right is a matter of personal pov. That can change, but again
cognitive dissonance often prevents it. There is both good and bad in
cd of course. The good side is that it allows people to maintain faith in
ideas even when presented with what looks like conflicting information,
so people aren't constantly wishwashing from one position to a completely
different one. The bad side is that even when presented with information
that could lead to a much more realistic interpretation, cd often prevents
people from moving on.
>as a medium i've been demon-possessed for days and days
If there's anything to all that you have almost certainly been Satan's
puppet for years and possibly for your entire life of course. Are you
aware of that yet, and if so how long have you been aware?
>and seen none
>of the goodness around me until recently, but it becomes more and more
>obvious as the seconds tick by.
What does?
>It's not that the world is being offered to me, I'm just opening my
>eyes to the splendor put before me,
What if anything do you think is putting it before you, and if
anything, why do you think it is?
>and my autistic self-involvement
>is become less of a hindrance day by day.
>
>Existence is no Joke.
It does appear to be the most serious thing we'll ever be
influenced by.
Enkidu
> What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
> doesn't exist?
If he existed, I might care what he thinks. But since he doesn't, I don't.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
-- lapel button
rht...@gmail.com
while reading the bible, I ran across this verse:
John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
eternal life.
Now, as a hindu, I had been going to meet with some christians for a
while, who all seemed to believe that the bible was the word of God,
and therefore true. They also seemed to make a big deal about being a
'believer' and having 'eternal life'.
So, I thought, 'if this eternal life is so good, then it ought to make
some perceptible change in me, and if this book is God's word, then if
I put my faith in Jesus Christ according to this bible, then I should
get this eternal life'.
So, without saying anything out loud, quietly, I accepted faith in
Jesus Christ above all else according to the King James Version
bible.
Immediately, I felt something come into me, and knew that I could not
long hit the depression lows that I used to hit on a regular basis,
because something inside me was in the way now.
I also felt immense peace, and I 'knew that everything was going be
all right now with God'.
I also felt very secure and protected. I remember thinking, ' this
feels like when I was in my father's arms as a little child, thinking
he could protect me from the whole world.'
I learned later that I had received the Holy Spirit and become a child
of God, to spend an eternity in heaven, instead of being tormented day
and night forever and ever in the lake of fire, where satan will also
be getting tormented day and night for ever and ever.
You are still living, and have the ability to test out this belief for
your self -- Try believing in Jesus Christ above all else, according
to the King James Version Bible, and see if you also don't know for
certain that you also have been adopted by Allmighty God, who loves us
because it is part of un-changeable nature.
1John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at
all.
1John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ;
not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit {God's
spirit} that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
rht...@gmail.com
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dh
>dh@. wrote in news:8pqcd4l6482foh2lo...@4ax.com:
>
>> What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
>> doesn't exist?
>
>If he existed, I might care what he thinks. But since he doesn't, I don't.
You don't have any idea whether he does or not, nor can
you give any reason why a person should put their faith in the
possibility that he doesn't. On top of that if he does exist you
obviously don't care what he thinks, so it appears for more
than one reason that you're not very well in touch with reality
or even with your own self.
rht...@gmail.com
If the All-mighty God who runs the universe really was un-loving, then
he would not have put a system in place where every new born infant is
normally received with love and attention to all his/her needs.
If it was not for just love, and love un-deserved, why would he send
his son, Jesus Christ, who had been with him from eternity to pay the
price for our offences against God, so that we can come back into a
right and clean relationship with God.
That shows that he not only loves us dearly, but also longs to have
clean interaction with us.
Velvet Elvis
>On Oct 6, 2005, in the evening in a hotel room in Houston, Texas,
>while reading the bible, I ran across this verse:
Filling in time before the hooker showed up?
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I love Jesus, yes I do
Baked or broiled, or in a stew
dh
>Each one of us is born very needy and weak.
>
>If the All-mighty God who runs the universe really was un-loving, then
>he would not have put a system in place where every new born infant is
>normally received with love and attention to all his/her needs.
>
>If it was not for just love, and love un-deserved, why would he send
>his son, Jesus Christ, who had been with him from eternity to pay the
>price for our offences against God, so that we can come back into a
>right and clean relationship with God.
>
>That shows that he not only loves us dearly, but also longs to have
>clean interaction with us.
Not necessarily that he longs to, but it does show that he's
willing to give us the opportunity and was willing to endure
suffering in order to make it mean something.
rht...@gmail.com
It does mean something. That he really cares to be in touch with us.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
doorway saying:
Yis son, Jesus Christ, who had been with him from eternity to pay the
> >price for our offences against God, so that we can come back into a
> >right and clean relationship with God.
>
> >That shows that he not only loves us dearly, but also longs to have
> >clean interaction with us.
>
> =A0 =A0 Not necessarily that he longs to, but it does show that he's
> willing to give us the opportunity and was willing to endure
> suffering in order to make it mean something.
It does mean something. That he really cares to be in touch with us.
.
gs. "
Jn. 1:1-4.
His Word of Life is within reach... the Bible holds His Word of
Life. recommended reading from a worthy translation, such as the New
American Standard Bible, is the Gospel of John and Luke and the other
two gospels and the Psalms... though His Word is Life for those who
are given by Him hears to hear it, yet, if one finds His Word of
Life repulsive, foolish, undiscernible, then it is true to say of
oneself that at that moment " I am passed by for salvation. "
Jn. 8:43,44; 1 Cor. 1:18.
and you condemn your self. Ez. 33:1-5
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e Christian is considered stupid for believing God on faith.
> faith in God is not assent. Evolution is assent. )
>
> 3. Somehow life created itself out of things never alive from a
> mass that was always there defying gravity and exploding outward into
> this perfectly balanced universe / solar system of ours... here we
> have a bunch of elements which got together and became alive all by
> themselves. mass produced energy, ( which can not be created or
> destroyed, but simply passes from one form of energy to another form
> of energy, ) and formed a living thing. life from energy... which
> defies the proposition that energy can be defined as heat,
> light,sound, etc... all fitting into 2 categories. some trick.
>
> the same is to say a tornado passed through a grave yard and
> formed a bunch of living people, male and female... all Evolutionists,
> of co335
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> not alive then, nor alive now.
>
> something is missing... life is more than matter and energy.
> matter and energy does not think. it is not moral. it does not love
> or hate, and it certainly does not evolve out of absolute sterility
> which was the nature of being of the mass which Big Banged it's way
> into our solar system.
>
> but in the world of Evolution the Dinosaur did in fact lay the
> egg which eventually became a chicken. they're on record ( The History
> Channel ) as stating boldly... without proof, of course, that " first
> it was a chicken which evolved into a dinosaur which evolved back into
> a chicken again. this statement is made public by ' educated ' people
> and supported by yet another cartoon.
>
> the Evolutionist talked his universe into being which canceled out
> God talking His universe into being... ( the circle is almost
> complete.)
>
> 5. Is it not peculiar that the Big Bang Theory was concocted by
> an Atheist Catholic priest in the last century and then endorsed by
> the Atheist Catholic Pope of that time ? that's the very same Pope
> who gave aid and comfort to the Nazis during WWll.
>
> Is it not peculiar that Darwin married his own first cousin so
> that his perversion should spill over into all other areas of his life
> ? to deny such is the same as electing Charles Manson to the
> Popehood...the crimes of which surpass those of Charles Manson.
>
> as the Good Book asks... " Can the Ethiopian change his skin or
> the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good who are accustomed
> to doing evil. " Jer. 13:23
>
> the whole idea of the Big Bang Theory and Evolution is nothing more
> than an exploration of Metaphysics... mere philosophy, based on
> Gnosticism.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
>
> the facts in the case are simple and direct.
>
> God spoke the universe into being and made man from it's elements.
> that's why man's body is not alive since the elements comprising it
> are not alive, except that God breathed into man " the breath of
> life; and man became a living being. " Gen. 2:7
>
> those contending with God over all of this do simply " suppress the
> truth in unrighteousness " ... " because that which is known about God
> is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. "
>
> because...
>
> " since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His
> eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being
> understood through what has been made, so that they are without
> excuse. " Ro. 1:18-32
>
> " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... "
> Gen. 1:1
>
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Pity that he's failed so miserably to date.
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Ow shit, that hurts! You assholes!' "
[2 Kinison 3:45]
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John 1:9-12
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the
world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him
not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
~
Yes, if any of us rejects the truth, and therefore Jesus as well, then
that person of us will get to spend eternity in the lake of fire
because of his/her own rebellion and offence against God.
2Thessalonians 1:6-9
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to
them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be
punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,
and from the glory of his power;
~
But, remember:
John 3:17-18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that
the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not
condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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St. Jack
Defying the ban imposed by the Christ himself, Velvet Elvis posted the
following to alt.flame.jesus.christ anyway...
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:59:43 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Oct 6, 2005, in the evening in a hotel room in Houston, Texas,
> >while reading the bible, I ran across this verse:
>
> Filling in time before the hooker showed up?
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St. Jack
Defying the ban imposed by the Christ himself, Velvet Elvis posted the
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:59:43 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Oct 6, 2005, in the evening in a hotel room in Houston, Texas,
> >while reading the bible, I ran across this verse:
>
> Filling in time before the hooker showed up?
Where are your manners? You should be ashamed at yourself! He said he
was a Hindu, not a hypocrite. The sort of arrogant self-centered
misogynistic behavior you're referring to is typical of the Christian
male, not the Hindu. You must wait a few weeks to several months after
conversion before the formerly meek Hindu ego begins to show signs of
enlargement. The former hindoo may spend several years carefully
observing the contradictory practices of the natural born American
Christian Twoface before ever attempting to imitate such dangerous
behavior in the wild.
St. Jack
Defying the ban imposed by the Christ himself, rht...@gmail.com posted
the following to alt.flame.jesus.christ...
> Speaking of Jesus Christ:
Hey bird brain...we've read that shit before. Why do you insist on
pasting bible quotes in here like we've never seen them before? Can't
you form your own thoughts? You throw those fucking quotes out like
they're your mental crutch. Your mind is so weak that you have to rely
on those quotes or you'd turn into a jibbering idiot. Now you're a
jibbering idiot but with bible quotes.
dh
It doesn't mean he wants to hang out.
dh
He probably had the impact he was going for. I doubt anyone
else has had so much influence for example, and even if they
have he still had plenty.
phryde
> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> everlasting life.
>
> Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
> other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
>
> 2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any
> should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ~
> Jesus the Christ still loves you.
> rht...@gmail.com
Jesus is dead. Yep. Apparently he was crucified over 2000 years ago. Now
I know this is probably news to you, but the sooner you swallow that fact
the sooner you can move on. Now quit being such a bible thumper and run
along back to alt.jesus.lives or wherever it is you came from because
you're really sounding like a jehova's witness and not even christians
like those people.
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St. Jack
Risking a very long swim in the Fiery Lake, posted the following to
alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
If he wants to be in touch with us so bad, then why does he hide?
dh
>
>Risking a very long swim in the Fiery Lake, posted the following to
>alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
>> On Sep 24, 10:04�am, dh@. wrote:
>> > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >Each one of us is born very needy and weak.
>> >
>> > >If the All-mighty God who runs the universe really was un-loving, then
>> > >he would not have put a system in place where every new born infant is
>> > >normally received with love and attention to all his/her needs.
>> >
>> > >If it was not for just love, and love un-deserved, why would he send
>> > >his son, Jesus Christ, who had been with him from eternity to pay the
>> > >price for our offences against God, so that we can come back into a
>> > >right and clean relationship with God.
>> >
>> > >That shows that he not only loves us dearly, but also longs to have
>> > >clean interaction with us.
>> >
>> > � � Not necessarily that he longs to, but it does show that he's
>> > willing to give us the opportunity and was willing to endure
>> > suffering in order to make it mean something.
>>
>> It does mean something. That he really cares to be in touch with us.
>
>If he wants to be in touch with us so bad, then why does he hide?
That's the only way he can leave us a choice in whether to
believe or not. Why he wants to leave the choice is more the
question. Maybe to thin the herd.
One thing you don't seem to appreciate is how different things
would be if everyone knew that God does exist. If he does exist
and wants things to be as they are, then he can't let everyone
know that he does exist or things would be completely different.
St. Jack
Some loving God he is! I guess he doesn't want it to be too crowded in
Heaven.
> One thing you don't seem to appreciate is how different things
> would be if everyone knew that God does exist. If he does exist
> and wants things to be as they are, then he can't let everyone
> know that he does exist or things would be completely different.
What the fuck? That makes absolutely no sense! Things sure would be
different if we knew that there was a big eye in the sky taking notes -
it would be a much nicer world down here. Everyone would look at the
world and the universe in a different way - there would be no wars, no
murder. Instead you say this thing is testing us by hiding?? That's one
SICK deity. He could rid the world of disease - instead he created it -
he could stop homicidal urges - instead he created the evil half of
mankind's personality. I know why he's really hiding - he's embarrassed
at the huge fucking mess he's made of the world, and he's not powerful
enough to fix it! He's hiding out of shame and incompetence!
rht...@gmail.com
Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto
the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I
commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground
for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy
life;
John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He
that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of
life was cast into the lake of fire.
rht...@gmail.com
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Professor Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
What the hell is this crap?? What is your "reply" referring to? I own a
fucking bible - more than one - if you want me to refer to a certain
passage that may have relevance to our conversation, then ask me to.
When you post nothing but bible quotes you're nothing but a mindless
preaching cunt! Do you idiots really think that anyone actually reads
your cut & paste replies? NO!
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�rchie
the doorway saying:
>
> Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
>> Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
>>
>> Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto
>> the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I
>> commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground
>> for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy
>> life;
>>
>> John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
>> begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
>> have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to
>> condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He
>> that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is
>> condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the
>> only begotten Son of God.
>>
>> Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of
>> life was cast into the lake of fire.
>
>What the hell is this crap?? What is your "reply" referring to? I own a
>fucking bible - more than one - if you want me to refer to a certain
>passage that may have relevance to our conversation, then ask me to.
>When you post nothing but bible quotes you're nothing but a mindless
>preaching cunt! Do you idiots really think that anyone actually reads
>your cut & paste replies? NO!
Oh dear!
Professor Jackanapes!
Now watch John Loiodice claim you are impersonating a university-type
person and that compounds your lies!
God has added some more comments to his blog.
http://iamyourgod.wordpress.com
You may recognise some of God's comments. - So may the Velvet Elvis - - -
�rchie
--
Don't visit my blog, it is private property!
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�rchie
saying:
>On 22 Sep 2008 02:21:04 GMT, Enkidu <fox_r...@trashmail.net> wrote:
You've got that round the wrong way - you haven't given me any reason to
believe in this snake oil that you are pushing.
Reality is just that - real - not a fanciful belief in unprovable magics.
When you can prove something here, I'll look closely at it.
Until then, you are a deluded fool.
I Am Your God
http://iamyourgod.wordpress.com
dh
>What the hell is this crap?? What is your "reply" referring to? I own a
>fucking bible - more than one -
Why?
dh
There are almost certainly a number of reasons for him to not
prove his existence, and that might not really even be one of
them. It probably is though, imo. Most people who disbelieve
deny their own faith in disbelief. That's extremely screwed up
thinking, and it often/usually gets even more screwed up from
there. Why would he want such unrealistic denial and idiocy
around?
>> One thing you don't seem to appreciate is how different things
>> would be if everyone knew that God does exist. If he does exist
>> and wants things to be as they are, then he can't let everyone
>> know that he does exist or things would be completely different.
>
>What the fuck? That makes absolutely no sense!
If it makes no sense to you then it's a problem with you
having an inability to think realistically, since it's obviously
true.
>Things sure would be different
Now you pretend to understand.
>if we knew that there was a big eye in the sky taking notes -
>it would be a much nicer world down here. Everyone would look at the
>world and the universe in a different way - there would be no wars, no
>murder.
You don't know that. There might be more. For example:
there are already religious wars and we don't know whether
or not God exists, so from that it seems likely there would be
even more if we knew he does.
>Instead you say this thing is testing us by hiding?? That's one
>SICK deity.
You don't have any way of knowing whether or not your
guess is correct.
>He could rid the world of disease - instead he created it -
>he could stop homicidal urges - instead he created the evil half of
>mankind's personality.
What makes you think your boy the beast isn't responsible
for plenty of that?
>I know why he's really hiding - he's embarrassed
>at the huge fucking mess he's made of the world, and he's not powerful
>enough to fix it!
LOL!!! That's the new dumbest idea I've heard yet!
I should keep that one.
>He's hiding out of shame and incompetence!
If you were able to think realistically you'd realize that if
he thought it was a big mistake, he'd get rid of it. You'd also
consider the possibility that he may have our destruction
in progress even as we speak. One way he could do it
would be to throw a big rock at us from a long way off, and
if we don't develop the ability to do things space well enough
to prevent it from destroying humanity, humanity will be destroyed.
Then there's another more obvious way. If humanity doesn't
develop the ability to survive independantly from our star system,
it will be destroyed when the sun moves to stages where it will
no longer take care of us. Maybe some of his creations are
able to do it and others aren't, thinning the herd...
dh
>The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
>saying:
>
>>On 22 Sep 2008 02:21:04 GMT, Enkidu <fox_r...@trashmail.net> wrote:
>>
>>>dh@. wrote in news:8pqcd4l6482foh2lo...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
>>>> doesn't exist?
>>>
>>>If he existed, I might care what he thinks. But since he doesn't, I don't.
>>
>> You don't have any idea whether he does or not, nor can
>>you give any reason why a person should put their faith in the
>>possibility that he doesn't. On top of that if he does exist you
>>obviously don't care what he thinks, so it appears for more
>>than one reason that you're not very well in touch with reality
>>or even with your own self.
>
>You've got that round the wrong way - you haven't given me any reason to
>believe in this snake oil that you are pushing.
God may or may not exist. That's just the way it is. If you can't
accept some of the facts then that's your own limitation.
>Reality is just that - real - not a fanciful belief in unprovable magics.
Yet you put faith in an unprovable idea. You most likely will deny
your faith as well, moving you that much farther from reality.
>When you can prove something here, I'll look closely at it.
>
>Until then, you are a deluded fool.
We see each other in the same way. I consider you to be
because you don't think realistically, and you consider me to
be because I do.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
saying:
> We see each other in the same way. I consider you to be
>because you don't think realistically, and you consider me to
>be because I do.
Ahhh, now we come to the key point - you see belief in something which, by
your own admission, cannot be proven, as "realistic".
While my disbelief in the unproven is unrealistic.
You posts appear to be written in English, but I can’t understand a word
you’re saying.
St. Jack
Risking a very long swim in the Fiery Lake, posted the following to
alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:14:25 -0400, Professor Jackanapes <st-...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
Why not?
dh
>The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
>saying:
>
>
>> We see each other in the same way. I consider you to be
>>because you don't think realistically, and you consider me to
>>be because I do.
>
>Ahhh, now we come to the key point - you see belief in something which, by
>your own admission, cannot be proven, as "realistic".
No, just the opposite. Your belief is unrealistic because you can't
explain why anyone should put faith in it, meaning you obviously don't
have a good reason for putting faith in it yourself. Therefore I consider
the possibility that you may very well be wrong, which is a more realistic
approach than putting faith in something you can't explain why anyone
should put faith in.
>While my disbelief in the unproven is unrealistic.
Your faith is no better than the Hindus' or Muslims' or Christians' or
any other.
>You posts appear to be written in English, but I can’t understand a word
>you’re saying.
That's because I can go places that you can't: I can consider that
you might be wrong.
dh
>
>Risking a very long swim in the Fiery Lake, posted the following to
>alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:14:25 -0400, Professor Jackanapes <st-...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
>>
>> >What the hell is this crap?? What is your "reply" referring to? I own a
>> >fucking bible - more than one -
>>
>> Why?
>
>Why not?
If you really didn't care you would have thrown them out
or given them away. But then again if that were the case
you wouldn't be online discussing/arguing about it either,
now that you mention it.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
saying:
>On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:24:52 +0800, Ærchie <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>>any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
>>saying:
>>
>>
>>> We see each other in the same way. I consider you to be
>>>because you don't think realistically, and you consider me to
>>>be because I do.
>>
>>Ahhh, now we come to the key point - you see belief in something which, by
>>your own admission, cannot be proven, as "realistic".
>
> No, just the opposite. Your belief is unrealistic because you can't
>explain why anyone should put faith in it, meaning you obviously don't
>have a good reason for putting faith in it yourself. Therefore I consider
>the possibility that you may very well be wrong, which is a more realistic
>approach than putting faith in something you can't explain why anyone
>should put faith in.
>
>>While my disbelief in the unproven is unrealistic.
>
> Your faith is no better than the Hindus' or Muslims' or Christians' or
>any other.
But faith is not a part of believing the provable - again, you are mashing
the keyboard at random, hoping that the words which result will make some
vague sense.
If you could prove the existence of your, or any other god, then neither
you nor I would need to have faith - we would KNOW!
>
>>You posts appear to be written in English, but I can’t understand a word
>>you’re saying.
>
> That's because I can go places that you can't: I can consider that
>you might be wrong.
True - I admit I could be wrong - but you cannot admit that same fact.
dh
>The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
>saying:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:24:52 +0800, Ærchie <arch...@pphotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>>>any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
>>>saying:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We see each other in the same way. I consider you to be
>>>>because you don't think realistically, and you consider me to
>>>>be because I do.
>>>
>>>Ahhh, now we come to the key point - you see belief in something which, by
>>>your own admission, cannot be proven, as "realistic".
>>
>> No, just the opposite. Your belief is unrealistic because you can't
>>explain why anyone should put faith in it, meaning you obviously don't
>>have a good reason for putting faith in it yourself. Therefore I consider
>>the possibility that you may very well be wrong, which is a more realistic
>>approach than putting faith in something you can't explain why anyone
>>should put faith in.
>>
>>>While my disbelief in the unproven is unrealistic.
>>
>> Your faith is no better than the Hindus' or Muslims' or Christians' or
>>any other.
>
>But faith is not a part of believing the provable
Faith is the degree to which you believe you understand the truth.
Thinking you "know" something you feel has been proven is the most
faith a person can have, even if they want to deny it for some reason.
> - again, you are mashing
>the keyboard at random, hoping that the words which result will make some
>vague sense.
What I said is true regardless of whether the truth of it makes sense
to you or not.
>If you could prove the existence of your, or any other god, then neither
>you nor I would need to have faith - we would KNOW!
You think you know already, and are ashamed of your faith that
you do think you know.
>>>You posts appear to be written in English, but I can’t understand a word
>>>you’re saying.
>>
>> That's because I can go places that you can't: I can consider that
>>you might be wrong.
>
>True - I admit I could be wrong - but you cannot admit that same fact.
I already told you I can admit that you might be wrong. If you're saying
I can't admit that I might be wrong it's because no one has suggested
how I could be. I consider the possibility that God does exist, and the
possibility that he does not. The only way I could be "wrong" would
be if there are more possibilities that I'm not considering, but if I learn
of them I'll probably consider them TOO and therefore won't stay wrong.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet dh@. was standin' in the doorway
saying:
> I already told you I can admit that you might be wrong. If you're saying
>I can't admit that I might be wrong it's because no one has suggested
>how I could be. I consider the possibility that God does exist, and the
>possibility that he does not. The only way I could be "wrong" would
>be if there are more possibilities that I'm not considering, but if I learn
>of them I'll probably consider them TOO and therefore won't stay wrong.
Let me suggest two possibilities.
First; There is no God! No afterlife, no souls, no second chances. Just
this life here, now. To disprove that you would need to talk with someone
who has died and has returned to tell the tale. I mean TALK with! Not read
a fairy story and give it the credibility of proven fact.
Secondly, God exists. And he is an invisible pink unicorn who cares not
about man.
Disprove both with scientific rigour and you will go a long way towards
convincing me.
Note: "It is written" and "I feel" are not scientific proofs.
rht...@gmail.com
exists, exactly according to the bible. Here are two ways I know how:
1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
check it out at:
http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
2. Personal experience. After reading John 3:15 which says:
~
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal
life.
~
After reading that, I decided to test it to see if it was true or
not. To do so, I quietly, without saying anything, accepted faith in
Jesus Christ according to the KJV bible. Immediately, I felt
something come inside me and I knew that I could no longer hit the
suicidal lows of depression that I had been hitting on almost a
regular basis at that point. I also immediately felt immense peace,
based on knowing that everything between God and me was all now -- we
were reconciled. I also immediately felt immense security -- I
remember thinking, 'this feels like when I was a little boy in my
father's arms, thinking he could protect me from the whole world'.
So, the one who responded to this choice of faith could read my
thoughts, because I did not make this decision out loud, and also the
one who answered had full authority over me, and also the one who
answered did much good to me. I have yet to hit one suicidal low
since the evening of Oct 6, 2005, which was when I decided to test
John 3:15
~~~
You can check it out both ways as well.
rht...@gmail.com
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
ago: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
Full, Free online bible: http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 02:41:57 -0400, St. Jack <st-...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
Why wouldn't I have a Bible? One was a gift from my best friend, a
Christian. It's an NIV training bible. I've read it twice, front to
back. Not an easy fucking task. A real headache maker. Not one I plan on
repeating any time soon. Why did I do that? To solidify my where I stood
about the Judeo-Christian god once and for all. They'd tried to bring me
up Catholic until freed from that hell when my mother came to her senses
when I was 8. My friend gave it to me during a dark time in my life. His
intention was to convert me, of course, despite his knowing that I
considered myself agnostic at the time. Reading that bible twice (yes, I
read the study notes, too) had a dramatic affect on me. I became a
stanch atheist and decided to devote the rest of my life fighting the
evil known as Christianity. Are you happy that you asked?
rht...@gmail.com
house, and I put them in the trash can. The only bible I know is the
exact words of God is the King James Version bible. The NIV seems to
be men trying to translate and make sense of what God said, without
his permission or support.
So, if you want what I know is the exact words of the living, All-
mighty, All-knowing, loving God Jesus Christ, check out the King James
Version.
yowie
> Yes, I am glad that I asked. I had a some NIV bibles around the
> house, and I put them in the trash can. The only bible I know is the
> exact words of God is the King James Version bible.
God wrote in Early Modern English? How convenient!
> The NIV seems to
> be men trying to translate and make sense of what God said, without
> his permission or support.
Told you that, did he?
> So, if you want what I know is the exact words of the living, All-
> mighty, All-knowing, loving God Jesus Christ, check out the King James
> Version.
Actually It's my favorite translation as well. As an example of
linguistic butchery, the Bible in Basic English BBE has no competition.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> Yes, I am glad that I asked. I had a some NIV bibles around the
Hey dumbass - learn to quote so we know who the hell you are replying
to.
Ærchie
doorway saying:
>Yes, I am glad that I asked. I had a some NIV bibles around the
>house, and I put them in the trash can. The only bible I know is the
>exact words of God is the King James Version bible. The NIV seems to
>be men trying to translate and make sense of what God said, without
>his permission or support.
>
>So, if you want what I know is the exact words of the living, All-
>mighty, All-knowing, loving God Jesus Christ, check out the King James
>Version.
Yeah? So Jesus spoke in Olde English!
No wonder he was mis-undestood - - -
St. Jack
Since Jesus is dead, Ærchie posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ...
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
>
> >Yes, I am glad that I asked. I had a some NIV bibles around the
> >house, and I put them in the trash can. The only bible I know is the
> >exact words of God is the King James Version bible. The NIV seems to
> >be men trying to translate and make sense of what God said, without
> >his permission or support.
> >
> >So, if you want what I know is the exact words of the living, All-
> >mighty, All-knowing, loving God Jesus Christ, check out the King James
> >Version.
>
> Yeah? So Jesus spoke in Olde English!
Jesus was God and could go anywhere, right? Then surely he must have had
a TARDIS to get around in time & space. Say, maybe Jesus was a Time Lord
with a fixation for British humans just like The Doctor. I bet that's
why Jesus was known to have dictated the King James New Testament to St.
Paul on that dusty road in Ye Olde English Language! Hey, I think I've
just made a major new serious religious theory!! But who should I call
first for my award, the Pope or the Bishop of Canterbury?
Say, this calls for another cocktail! Barmaid!
rht...@gmail.com
No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
'words' of God?
~
Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a
furnace of earth, purified seven times.
~
This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew,
Greek, etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis-
understanding so far.
~
Psalm 12:7
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
generation for ever.
~
That and other verses show that God preserves his exact words as the
languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might
be described as an 'inspired translation'.
Velvet Elvis
>Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
>No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
>'words' of God?
Wow, you really are a bullshit artist in the making. Either they were the
EXACT words, or they weren't. Quite obviously, they weren't. Anyone with a
rudimentary education knows there are myriad translations of the bible.
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
doorway saying:
>Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
>No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
>'words' of God?
>
>~
>Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a
>furnace of earth, purified seven times.
>~
>
>This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew,
>Greek, etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis-
>understanding so far.
>
>~
>Psalm 12:7
>Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
>generation for ever.
>~
>
>That and other verses show that God preserves his exact words as the
>languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might
>be described as an 'inspired translation'.
Inspired indeed. Written for a New Church which was attempting to supplant
the Old Church of Rome.
Not for the high minded reasons of the Lutherans but simply so the King of
England could screw around with princesses and exterminate them when he
found someone new.
Inspired by this behaviour, 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the
Church of England were chosen to rewrite the Great Bible which was the
product of St King Henry VIII's efforts.
Yes, a magnificent piece of literature, but inspired by God?
Naaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
rht...@gmail.com
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
>
> Old English looks like this:
> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Þurcyl eorl
> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
> gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
>
> From the Charter of Cnut (Wikipedia), one of my favorite old Englishmen,
> even if he was technically Danish.
>
> > No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
> > 'words' of God?
> > furnace of earth, purified seven times. ~
> > This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew, Greek,
> > etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis- understanding so
> > far.
> > Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
> > generation for ever.
> > languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might be
> > described as an 'inspired translation'.
>
> the veracity of the Bible is fallacious.
Those verses were intended to show that one translation can be
inspired because God promised to preserve his pure word. And, since
different translations say different things, we can know for sure that
all of them cannot be inspired, just like Islam, Christianity,
Hinduism cannot all be true at the same time, since they say
contradicting and different things on the same topic.
I know that the bible is in fact true from the following:
(Re-post of earlier response)
~~~
dh
>On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
>> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>>
>> KJV = Modern English, folks.
>>
>> Old English looks like this:
>> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Ţurcyl eorl
>> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his ţeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
>> gehadode and lćwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
>>
>> From the Charter of Cnut (Wikipedia), one of my favorite old Englishmen,
>> even if he was technically Danish.
>>
>> > No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
>> > 'words' of God?
>> > Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a
>> > furnace of earth, purified seven times. ~
>> > This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew, Greek,
>> > etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis- understanding so
>> > far.
>> > Psalm 12:7
>> > Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
>> > generation for ever.
>> > That and other verses show that God preserves his exact words as the
>> > languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might be
>> > described as an 'inspired translation'.
>>
>> It shows only that it says what it says. Quoting the Bible to demonstrate
>> the veracity of the Bible is fallacious.
>
>Those verses were intended to show that one translation can be
>inspired because God promised to preserve his pure word. And, since
>different translations say different things, we can know for sure that
>all of them cannot be inspired, just like Islam, Christianity,
>Hinduism cannot all be true at the same time, since they say
>contradicting and different things on the same topic.
If there is a creator then all who worship him worship the same
being regardless of what they call him or think about him.
Ps 34:22 - "The LORD redeems his servants; no one will be condemned
who takes refuge in him."
That strongly suggests God will not be sending the majority of people
who worship him to Hell. So to get a realistic interpretation you would
have to figure out how it can all tie together, and that verse is a good
link.
A lot of people are afraid to try asking Jesus to be their Lord.
>rht...@gmail.com
>Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
>ago: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
>Full, Free online bible: http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
By far most evidence suggests that the Earth is billions of
years old, so if God exists it looks like it took him billions of
years to get it where it is now. Since that's the case, the way
to get a realistic interpretation would be to figure out how to
interpret what was written in a way that supports what most
evidence suggests is true.
Velvet Elvis
>I know that the bible is in fact true from the following:
>(Re-post of earlier response)
>
>1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
>check it out at:
>http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
You promised scientific support, then you post a link to a convicted felon who
has no degree in science, and whose ideas have all been debunked.
--
A society without religion
is like a crazed psychopath
without a loaded .45
dh
>can
>he do (logically) imposable things like allow several religions, or bible
>translations to simultaneously be correct?
More than likely he can, if he exists. If not of course "he"
can't do shit.
rht...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
> >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
> >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
>
> >> Old English looks like this:
> >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
> >> gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
Those who worship him in truth to the best of their knowledge are
accepted of him.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow
me:
So, those who worship him in other methods will change (sooner or
later) to worshipping the Father through the Son Jesus Christ, when
they have heard him.
That might be hard to do that without knowing about God in general
first - that he is loving, good, kind, light, love, truth. Also:
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he
that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder
of them that diligently seek him.
So, just honestly, ask to get to know God better, and keep your common
sense, eyes and ears functioning. If he really is All-mighty, and
loving, then he will surely answer a such a sincere request.
>
> >rht...@gmail.com
> >Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
> >ago:http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
> >Full, Free online bible:http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
>
> By far most evidence suggests that the Earth is billions of
> years old, so if God exists it looks like it took him billions of
> years to get it where it is now. Since that's the case, the way
> to get a realistic interpretation would be to figure out how to
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Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
rht...@gmail.com
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 7 thousand years
rht...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> >I know that the bible is in fact true from the following:
> >(Re-post of earlier response)
>
> >1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
> >check it out at:
> >http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
>
> You promised scientific support, then you post a link to a convicted felon who
> has no degree in science, and whose ideas have all been debunked.
>
I have heard his free seminar series, and have yet to find any false
evidence he presents. You are welcome to check out the seminar, and
let me know where he presents false scientific evidence. I suggest,
at least originally, hearing what he has to say, before checking out
all the 'anti-hovind' web-sites, so that you can form your own view-
point based in truth.
> --
>
> A society without religion
> is like a crazed psychopath
> without a loaded .45
rht...@gmail.com
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 7 thousand years
rht...@gmail.com
> one translation?
>
> > And, since different
> > translations say different things, we can know for sure that all of them
> > cannot be inspired,
>
>
> > just like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism cannot all be
> > true at the same time, since they say contradicting and different things
> > on the same topic.
>
> he do (logically) imposable things like allow several religions, or bible
> god and his abilities and characteristics are limited by human imagination.
>
>
>
>
>
> > I know that the bible is in fact true from the following: (Re-post of
> > earlier response)
> > 1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
> > check it out at:
> >http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
> > 2. Personal experience. After reading John 3:15 which says: ~
> > That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
> > ~
> > After reading that, I decided to test it to see if it was true or not. To
> > do so, I quietly, without saying anything, accepted faith in Jesus Christ
> > according to the KJV bible. Immediately, I felt something come inside me
> > and I knew that I could no longer hit the suicidal lows of depression that
> > I had been hitting on almost a regular basis at that point. I also
> > immediately felt immense peace, based on knowing that everything between
> > God and me was all now -- we were reconciled. I also immediately felt
> > immense security -- I remember thinking, 'this feels like when I was a
> > little boy in my father's arms, thinking he could protect me from the
> > whole world'.
>
> > So, the one who responded to this choice of faith could read my thoughts,
> > because I did not make this decision out loud, and also the one who
> > answered had full authority over me, and also the one who answered did
> > much good to me. I have yet to hit one suicidal low since the evening of
> > Oct 6, 2005, which was when I decided to test John 3:15
>
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Exodus 34:6 ... The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious,
longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
Yes, God will not go against his nature, some of which is revealed in
the bible. So, no, he will not do those self-contradicting things
that you have said.
The way that God answered my faith in Jesus Christ, is what makes me
believe that He is the true, all-knowing, all-mighty, loving,
merciful, gracious God. If I had just felt a nice feeling in my belly
while sometimes reading the bible, that would not be conclusive proof
for anything. Read the explanation again:
So, the one who responded to this choice of faith could read my
thoughts,
because I did not make this decision out loud, and also the one who
answered had full authority over me, and also the one who answered did
much good to me. I have yet to hit one suicidal low since the evening
of
Oct 6, 2005, which was when I decided to test John 3:15
rht...@gmail.com
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 7 thousand years
rht...@gmail.com
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700, rhtydv wrote:
> one translation?
>
> > translations say different things, we can know for sure that all of them
> > cannot be inspired,
>
>
> > true at the same time, since they say contradicting and different things
> > on the same topic.
>
> he do (logically) imposable things like allow several religions, or bible
> translations to simultaneously be correct? If not, it seems to me your
> god and his abilities and characteristics are limited by human imagination.
>
>
>
>
>
> > earlier response)
> > 1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
> > check it out at:
> >http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
> > 2. Personal experience. After reading John 3:15 which says: ~
> > That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
> > ~
> > After reading that, I decided to test it to see if it was true or not. To
> > do so, I quietly, without saying anything, accepted faith in Jesus Christ
> > according to the KJV bible. Immediately, I felt something come inside me
> > and I knew that I could no longer hit the suicidal lows of depression that
> > I had been hitting on almost a regular basis at that point. I also
> > immediately felt immense peace, based on knowing that everything between
> > God and me was all now -- we were reconciled. I also immediately felt
> > immense security -- I remember thinking, 'this feels like when I was a
> > little boy in my father's arms, thinking he could protect me from the
> > whole world'.
>
> > So, the one who responded to this choice of faith could read my thoughts,
> > because I did not make this decision out loud, and also the one who
> > answered had full authority over me, and also the one who answered did
> > much good to me. I have yet to hit one suicidal low since the evening of
> > Oct 6, 2005, which was when I decided to test John 3:15
>
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Can a person be a dog physically and a person at the same time? Can
an living, breathing animal be a rose and a jaguar and an umbrella
with a metal stick at the same time?
No. Hinduism says that all the paths lead to God. Islam says that
the God who asks his followers to kill any who won't convert to Islam
should be killed. Jesus Christ claims the following:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
And he also says:
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself.
I know that in the Old Testament time, God asked the nation of Israel
to destroy some nations. But check this out:
Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither
again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
That shows that God would not have them be touched until they were as
full of bad habits(iniquity) as could be. At that point, it would be
better for them to die then go on living in sin, and thus only digging
themselves deeper eternally into the lake of fire. And, if there were
exceptions among them, then they could join Israel and be safe like
Rahab (Joshua 2).
All these religions cannot be true at the same time, because they
claim contradicting things to be true at the same time including who
God is, and how to get to heaven.
rht...@gmail.com
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 7 thousand years
Ærchie
any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
doorway saying:
>conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
>years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
>
>rht...@gmail.com
No, I don't. Do you?
Velvet Elvis
>On Oct 20, 8:01 pm, Velvet Elvis <nowh...@noplace.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >I know that the bible is in fact true from the following:
>> >(Re-post of earlier response)
>>
>> >1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
>> >check it out at:
>> >http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
>>
>> You promised scientific support, then you post a link to a convicted felon who
>> has no degree in science, and whose ideas have all been debunked.
>>
>
>I have heard his free seminar series, and have yet to find any false
>evidence he presents.
Simply because you wouldn't know "evidence" if it fucked you all night and
made you breakfast in the morning.
>You are welcome to check out the seminar, and
>let me know where he presents false scientific evidence. I suggest,
>at least originally, hearing what he has to say, before checking out
>all the 'anti-hovind' web-sites, so that you can form your own view-
>point based in truth.
His seminars are a joke.
If you were open-minded, you'd go to YouTube and search for "Hovind debunked".
There is a multiple part series posted that systematically destroys all his
nonsense. But you've proven your mind is blind to reason.
--
-----------------------------------------------------
At one point in time, many of us actually had Jesus as
our personal lord and saviour.
Unfortunately, we later had to dismiss him for
incompetence, gross negligence, misconduct and
consistent failure to show up for work.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
Then it will be very simple for him to convert me. All he has to do is
open a big hole in the sky, poke his huge noggin through and say "Hey
St. Jackanapes! I'm real you little piss ant - shape up or I'll toss you
into my Lake of...well you know what kind of lake it is! Ha ha ha
ha...."
Once he does that I'll believe in him.
--
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Ordained Minister - Universal Life Church
The Universal Life Church: http://www.themonastery.org/
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so Ærchie posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
> After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
> >conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
> >years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
> >
> >rht...@gmail.com
>
> No, I don't. Do you?
Heh heh...
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
> On Oct 20, 8:01 pm, Velvet Elvis <nowh...@noplace.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >I know that the bible is in fact true from the following:
> > >(Re-post of earlier response)
> >
> > >1. Scientific support for 6-day biblical creation and flood. You can
> > >check it out at:
> > >http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
> >
> > You promised scientific support, then you post a link to a convicted felon who
> > has no degree in science, and whose ideas have all been debunked.
> >
>
> I have heard his free seminar series, and have yet to find any false
> evidence he presents. You are welcome to check out the seminar, and
> let me know where he presents false scientific evidence. I suggest,
> at least originally, hearing what he has to say, before checking out
> all the 'anti-hovind' web-sites, so that you can form your own view-
> point based in truth.
HA ha ha! I saw some of his videos. I do not need to go check out anti-
Hovind material to make my judgement. I'm not that impressionable &
intellectually vacant. Appaerently you are - and you've bought his line
of BS hook, line and stinker! I don't form my own viewpoint "based in
truth" - whatever the fuck that means. I base my viewpoints on life &
reality to my education, logic, science, and my personal experiences.
And for issues that are beyond my own experiences I turn to the
scientific community and the scientific process of per review. Do you
know what peer review is?
Do you know how science works? How it keeps out bad science, outlandish
claims, and the kind of malarkey like that knucklehead was spewing in
that video?
Do you?
--
Rev. Jackanapes -
Ordained Minister - Universal Life Church
The Universal Life Church: http://www.themonastery.org/
dh
>On Oct 20, 7:41 am, dh@. wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
>> >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>>
>> >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
>>
>> >> Old English looks like this:
>> >> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Ţurcyl eorl
>> >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his ţeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
>> >> gehadode and lćwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
Which is why he visited the land of the dead or wherever during
the resurrection period, and something that will also take place during
the human resurrections, from what I understand at this point.
People get told what to do all the time, and there's a resistance
to wanting to ask for the supreme boss to become our Lord, who
would be judging all the stupid and less than respectable things
we do...
>> >rht...@gmail.com
>> >Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
>> >ago:http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
>> >Full, Free online bible:http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
>>
>> By far most evidence suggests that the Earth is billions of
>> years old, so if God exists it looks like it took him billions of
>> years to get it where it is now. Since that's the case, the way
>> to get a realistic interpretation would be to figure out how to
>> interpret what was written in a way that supports what most
>> evidence suggests is true.
>
>Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
>conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
>years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
Just because the people involved thought it covered the
entire Earth doesn't mean it actually did.
>rht...@gmail.com
>Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 7 thousand years
>ago: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
>Full, Free online bible: http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
I'm not even going to read it dude. If for some reason some
of you people wanted to argue that it was something closer to
realistic like 7 million years I might, but what you're going for is
so far off there's no point in even thinking about it. How what
the Bible says could actually go along with what humans have
learned would be more the way to go.
dh
>
> Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
>>
>> On Oct 20, 7:41 am, dh@. wrote:
>> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
>> > >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
>> > >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>> >
>> > >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
>> >
>> > >> Old English looks like this:
>> > >> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Ţurcyl eorl
>> > >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his ţeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
>> > >> gehadode and lćwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
If he exists and ever cares, you will find out then. It may be too
late for it to do you any good by that time though. You already are
aware of the potential of being damned...
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:16:48 -0400, St. Jackanapes <st-...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
>
> >
> >In alt.satanism, thunked really hard and typed out this...
> >
> >> John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
> >> Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
> >> everlasting life.
> >>
> >> Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none
> >> other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
> >>
> >> 2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men
> >> count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
> >> any
> >> should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
> >> ~
> >> Jesus the Christ still loves you.
> >> rht...@gmail.com
> >
> >Jesus hates me. He told me so himself. Are you calling Him a liar?
>
> Could he love you? For what? Would he care if you disbelieve?
> If so, he would know whether you really do have faith that he
> doesn't exist or if you're pretending to as you ridicule believers,
> while you yourself consider the same possibility in the LAMEST
> OF WAYS. He would know that you ridicule other people who are
> doing a MUCH better job at something you obviously suck badly at.
>
> Or. He would know if you do have faith that he doesn't exist.
> Are you ashamed of your faith, or can you admit it? Can you admit
> that you've just put your faith in a possibility which you have chosen
> to accept--your guess--like everyone else does? Like the Baptists,
> and the Catholics, and the Jews, and the Hindus and the etc...?
> He would know if you truly believe your guess to be "knowledge".
> If that's the case, could he love you and pitty you for being so
> stupid? What would Jesus think of you for "knowing" that he
> doesn't exist? Maybe he would truly know that your buddy who
> you also probably believe does not exist is going to influence
> whoever he can to believe neither of them exist, and Jesus
> doesn't really give a shit unless you decide to put your faith in
> him...or maybe just to give a real effort he might help you along
> after you make the first move. Maybe not. Maybe you feel like
> you've tried but you never really did, so it doesn't count. I doubt
> he'd love you, but maybe he knows all this and can relate to you
> to some extent even if you never become acceptable to him.
> Hopefully he'll like you well enough to not really toss you in
> the flames forever, even if you never become acceptable for
> another life.
I think that he hates me because I won't let him suckle my manhood.
rht...@gmail.com
>
> > All these religions cannot be true at the same time, because they claim
> > contradicting things to be true at the same time including who God is,
> > and how to get to heaven.
>
> impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26
1Chronicles 10:4
Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me
through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his
armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword,
and fell upon it.
That's how Saul, son of Kish died.
Principle in translating the KJV bible:
Genesis 25:5
And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.
Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave
gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived,
eastward, unto the east country.
Any generality is true, with the exception of any clear exceptions
given. In this case Abraham gave all that he had to Isaac, with the
exception of what he gave to the sons of the concubines.
rht...@gmail.com
> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
> any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
> doorway saying:
> After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
>
> >conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
> >years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
>
> >rht...@gmail.com
>
> No, I don't. Do you?
>
>
> -- Posted on news://freenews.netfront.net - Complaints to n...@netfront.net --
Closed, petrified shells, of some organism that opens up as soon as it
dies have been found on top of the Himalayas (mount Everest, I
think).
1. These organisms' shells open as soon as they die
2. These organisms do not climb
3. The top of Himalayas (mount Everest, I think) is hundreds of miles
from the ocean.
Logical conclusions:
1. The Himalaya peaks (mount Everest, I think) was more more than a
few feet above beach level at some point.
2. The organisms petrified very quickly.
rht...@gmail.com
> ===================================================================
> VISIT DR. CHUNG'S CAT HOUSE FOR LUNCH:http://tinyurl.com/39gbog
If you live long enough, you might get to witness this:
Revelation 14:6
¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to
every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the
hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and
earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
But, unless you receive the love of the truth, you probably will make
another excuse for it.
2Thessalonians 2:10 ...them that perish; because they received not the
love of the truth, that they might be saved.
rht...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:25:07 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Oct 20, 7:41 am, dh@. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
> >> >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
> >> >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
>
> >> >> Old English looks like this:
> >> >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
> >> >> gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
The majority used to believe that the earth is flat at one point. But
the bible says:
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Popular opinion is not a reliable way to tell the truth. Unless you
receive the love of the truth, you'll accept convenient lies.
2Thessalonians 2:10 ...them that perish; because they received not the
love of the truth, that they might be saved.
rht...@gmail.com
> ===================================================================
> VISIT DR. CHUNG'S CAT HOUSE FOR LUNCH:http://tinyurl.com/39gbog
Genesis 1:26-27
¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and
let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of
the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in
his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his
own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Joh 3:17-18
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that
the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not
condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he
hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into
the lake of fire.
~~~~~~~~~~
1Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have
entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for
them that love him.
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither
shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Velvet Elvis
>
>Genesis 1:26-27
>ś And God said I'm going to drown everyone in the world
<SNIP>
Nobody here reads that crap. It's a waste of good ASCII.
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Velvet Elvis
>On Oct 21, 7:27 pm, Ærchie <archiv...@pphotmail.com> wrote:
>> The curfew had been lifted and the gamblin' wheel shut down, Anyone with
>> any sense had already left town. Yet rht...@gmail.com was standin' in the
>> doorway saying:
>> After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
>>
>> >conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
>> >years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
>>
>> >rht...@gmail.com
>>
>> No, I don't. Do you?
>>
>> I Am Your Godhttp://iamyourgod.wordpress.com
>>
>> -- Posted on news://freenews.netfront.net - Complaints to n...@netfront.net --
>
>Closed, petrified shells, of some organism that opens up as soon as it
>dies have been found on top of the Himalayas (mount Everest, I
>think).
>1. These organisms' shells open as soon as they die
>2. These organisms do not climb
>3. The top of Himalayas (mount Everest, I think) is hundreds of miles
>from the ocean.
>
>Logical conclusions:
>1. The Himalaya peaks (mount Everest, I think) was more more than a
>few feet above beach level at some point.
>2. The organisms petrified very quickly.
Stop by talk.origins and post this, then prepare to be educated.
Ærchie
3. That the Himalaya peaks were at sea level long enough for those
organisms to settle and grow (ie, longer than 40 days and 40 nights."
4. That we have lost a huge amount of water somewhere along the line. -
let's see - (pi. r2.cubed - where r2= 4005 miles)-(pi.r1.cubed - where
r1=4000 miles)cubic miles of water lost. Hmmmm - where could it have gone?
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Nooooooo - - -
I asked if you "Remember the universal, catastrophic flood." as you implied
in your previous post.
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Genesis 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven
were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
2Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with
water, perished:
The water did not cover Mount Everest when it was at its current
height. Mount Everest probably did not start to come up till sometime
during the flood.
The best theory I have heard of it is that the fountains of the deep
refers to sub-terrainean water chambers that broke open where the
fault lines are today. And, as the tremendous water pressure kept
going out, it pushed the plates, which were at that point more
lubricated due to the sub-terranean water chambers beneath them,
backwards, and formed most of the ridge mountain chains we see today
that run parallel to the ridges.
rohit yadav
Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
>
> No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
> 'words' of God?
>
> ~
> Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a
> furnace of earth, purified seven times.
> ~
>
> This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew,
> Greek, etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis-
> understanding so far.
>
> ~
> Psalm 12:7
> Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
> generation for ever.
> ~
>
> That and other verses show that God preserves his exact words as the
> languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might
> be described as an 'inspired translation'.
>
You idiot! You can't use the book in question to very that very same
book. We're not fools, but you've repeatedly shown that you are!
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St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
> >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
> >>
> >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
> >>
> >> Old English looks like this:
> >> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Þurcyl eorl
> >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
> >> gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
> >>
> >> From the Charter of Cnut (Wikipedia), one of my favorite old Englishmen,
> >> even if he was technically Danish.
> >>
> >> > No. Then, what do I mean by the King James Version being the exact
> >> > 'words' of God?
> >> > Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a
> >> > furnace of earth, purified seven times. ~
> >> > This and other references show that the original words ( in Hebrew, Greek,
> >> > etc. ) were the actual inspired words of God. No mis- understanding so
> >> > far.
> >> > Psalm 12:7
> >> > Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this
> >> > generation for ever.
> >> > That and other verses show that God preserves his exact words as the
> >> > languages used by the people change. So, we have something that might be
> >> > described as an 'inspired translation'.
> >>
> >> It shows only that it says what it says. Quoting the Bible to demonstrate
> >> the veracity of the Bible is fallacious.
> >
> >Those verses were intended to show that one translation can be
> >inspired because God promised to preserve his pure word. And, since
> >different translations say different things, we can know for sure that
> >all of them cannot be inspired, just like Islam, Christianity,
> >Hinduism cannot all be true at the same time, since they say
> >contradicting and different things on the same topic.
>
> If there is a creator then all who worship him worship the same
> being regardless of what they call him or think about him.
>
> Ps 34:22 - "The LORD redeems his servants; no one will be condemned
> who takes refuge in him."
>
> That strongly suggests God will not be sending the majority of people
> who worship him to Hell. So to get a realistic interpretation you would
> have to figure out how it can all tie together, and that verse is a good
> link.
>
> >Here is some support for a 6 day creation less than 8 thousand years
> >ago: http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
> >Full, Free online bible: http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
>
> By far most evidence suggests that the Earth is billions of
> years old, so if God exists it looks like it took him billions of
> years to get it where it is now. Since that's the case, the way
> to get a realistic interpretation would be to figure out how to
> interpret what was written in a way that supports what most
> evidence suggests is true.
You won't get that dolt to use that sort of logic.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
> conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
> years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
I don't remember any such flood.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:40:26 -0400, St. Jackanapes <st-...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
>
> >
> > Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> >
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 7:41 am, dh@. wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > >On Oct 20, 4:22 am, yowie <yo...@thepub.lan> wrote:
> >> > >> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:51:49 -0700,rhtydvwrote:
> >> > >> > Did Jesus Christ speak old english to the Jews about 2008 years ago?
> >> >
> >> > >> KJV = Modern English, folks.
> >> >
> >> > >> Old English looks like this:
> >> > >> Cnut cyning gret his arcebiscopas and his leod-biscopas and Þurcyl eorl
> >> > >> and ealle his eorlas and ealne his þeodscype, twelfhynde and twyhynde,
> >> > >> gehadode and læwede, on Englalande freondlice. (Wikipedia)
Oh he exists all right. In myth form. He exist in the heads of those who
were indoctrinated at a very young age, in the minds of those who are
weak and fell that they need someone to lean on to get through life -
and to face the fear of dying.
I am not one of those people. I was indoctrinated at a very young age up
until I was age 10. I never believed the stories. I never felt the
presence of this god that my mother and grandfather told me was hovering
over my bed as I slept, keeping watch over me. When they made me kneel &
pray at the side of the bed I wasn't praying to god - I was going
through the motions to make the adults happy. Where was god? Where was
Jesus when I was 2 to 6 years old when I knew nothing of atheism or
nonbelievers. I had no concept of those things - and I never even
considered what they were telling me wasn't the truth. I thought that it
happened just like they said - even the bit about flying to heaven.
In my little world everyone believed in Jesus and went to Church on
Sunday. It was the same deal for me on Sundays - I felt nothing but
boredom. I'd stare at the dead man Jesus, hanging from his cross, blood
oozing from his wounds, week after week. Why wasn't Jesus whispering in
my ears like he did for everyone else? Why had he forsaken me? Why did
he leave my vessel empty if he exists? Did he make a mistake? NO, he's
perfect!
Why? I'll tell you why - He doesn't exist and I never needed a god to
lean on like a crutch.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
> If you live long enough, you might get to witness this:
>
> Revelation 14:6
> ¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
> everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to
> every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
> Revelation 14:7
> Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the
> hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and
> earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
>
Revelations is bullshit and never should have been included in the
bible.
PS: Can't you have a conversation without tossing in a bunch of fucking
bible quotes?
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Rev. Red Hot Lava
> Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
>
>
> > If you live long enough, you might get to witness this:
>
> > Revelation 14:6
> > ¶ And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
> > everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to
> > every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
> > Revelation 14:7
> > Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the
> > hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and
> > earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
>
> Revelations is bullshit and never should have been included in the
> bible.
>
> PS: Can't you have a conversation without tossing in a bunch of fucking
> bible quotes?
>
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looks like somebody died unhappy
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so rht...@gmail.com committed blasphemy by calling
the Earth round and Isaiah a lair!
> The majority used to believe that the earth is flat at one point. But
> the bible says:
>
> Isaiah 40:22
> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
That says nothing about the Earth being a globe, you dolt! That
statement says that it's a big *flat* circle - that's what they
observed. The heaven was held up by a huge tent stake at the center of
this flat circle that holds up the fabric that we call the sky.
Circle does not mean globe.
Since you believe that the Earth is only 6000 year old, despite the
obvious poof looking you right in the face, then you souls also believe
that the world is flat. Isaiah says so right in your inevitable biblical
quote. I know that your are rather dense, so to help you understand what
Isaiah is trying to explain, I've made you a graphic showing Isaiah's
scientific proofs behind the above scripture...
http://www.jackanapes.ws/images/Isaiahs-Flat-Earth2.jpg
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St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
> Genesis 1:26-27
Hey! Quit that shit right now!! We don't read all that crap in here. I
already know what the bible say about things, I want to hear what YOU
have to say. So quit wearing out your fucking Ctrl + C + V keys. You
went through all that trouble looking up and pasting that shit in here
and your point was lost because I didn't read it. You've got a brain -
sorta - use it!
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St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so Velvet Elvis posted this to
alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:05:41 -0700 (PDT), rht...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Genesis 1:26-27
> >¶ And God said I'm going to drown everyone in the world
> <SNIP>
>
> Nobody here reads that crap. It's a waste of good ASCII.
And a waste of my fucking time! The guy's a pasting cunt!
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rht...@gmail.com
> Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>
> > Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
> > conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
> > years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
>
> I don't remember any such flood.
>
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Do you remember being born? I sure don't. It is from the effects
still left around, that I can make that assumption, like you are
posting messages.
Similarly, most of the earth's features are best explained by a young
earth and a world-wide flood.
rht...@gmail.com
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Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth
the earth upon nothing.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Oct 24, 4:52 am, St. Jackanapes <st-j...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
> > Jesus was sleeping, so rht...@gmail.com committed blasphemy by calling
> > the Earth round and Isaiah a lair!
> >
> > > The majority used to believe that the earth is flat at one point. But
> > > the bible says:
> >
> > > Isaiah 40:22
> > > It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
> > > inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
> > > heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
> >
> > That says nothing about the Earth being a globe, you dolt! That
> > statement says that it's a big *flat* circle - that's what they
> > observed. The heaven was held up by a huge tent stake at the center of
> > this flat circle that holds up the fabric that we call the sky.
> >
> > Circle does not mean globe.
> >
> > Since you believe that the Earth is only 6000 year old, despite the
> > obvious poof looking you right in the face, then you souls also believe
> > that the world is flat. Isaiah says so right in your inevitable biblical
> > quote. I know that your are rather dense, so to help you understand what
> > Isaiah is trying to explain, I've made you a graphic showing Isaiah's
> > scientific proofs behind the above scripture...
> >
> > http://www.jackanapes.ws/images/Isaiahs-Flat-Earth2.jpg
>
>
> Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth
> the earth upon nothing.
Right. That's exactly what I depicted in my illustrative graphic. I
guess I should have put a big "N" on the pole so that you'd understand
it is the NORTH POLE that's holding up the firmament...
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Velvet Elvis
>On Oct 24, 12:16 am, St. Jackanapes <st-j...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
>> Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
>>
>> > Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
>> > conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
>> > years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
>>
>> I don't remember any such flood.
>>
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>
>Do you remember being born? I sure don't. It is from the effects
>still left around, that I can make that assumption, like you are
>posting messages.
>
>Similarly, most of the earth's features are best explained by a young
>earth and a world-wide flood.
Only to the ignorant and close-minded.
St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Oct 24, 4:52 am, St. Jackanapes <st-j...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
Here, since you have so much trouble understanding scientific concepts,
I've shown where the North is that God hangeth the Earth upon nothing.
You'll also notice that down on Earth, while God was on hiatus these
past 2000 years dreaming up news ways to slaughter humanity, a stronger
more likeable God has captured to imagination of Western humanity. And
he's making inroads to those that follow the eastern faiths. This god is
much more palatable, and doesn't toss anyone into fiery lakes. He's been
around a long as Jehova, in many different forms. Why, he was there when
Jesus was born before he took his current form!
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St. Jackanapes
Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> On Oct 24, 12:16 am, St. Jackanapes <st-j...@jackanapes.ws> wrote:
> > Jesus was sleeping, so posted this to alt.flame.jesus.christ ...
> >
> > > Really? After having looked at this evidence, I came to the
> > > conclusion that it suggests that the Earth is only a thousands of
> > > years old. Remember the universal, catastrophic flood.
> >
> > I don't remember any such flood.
> >
> > --
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> > Ordained Minister - Universal Life Church
> > The Universal Life Church:http://www.themonastery.org/
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > VISIT DR. CHUNG'S CAT HOUSE FOR LUNCH:http://tinyurl.com/39gbog
>
> Do you remember being born? I sure don't. It is from the effects
> still left around, that I can make that assumption, like you are
> posting messages.
>
> Similarly, most of the earth's features are best explained by a young
> earth and a world-wide flood.
You're not making sense. Do you read the stuff you write before you send
it?
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