Obama Doublespeak
Kapt Krunch
your pension) and yet he says he'll cut taxes on business. He's full of
crap!
He wants to pull out of Iraq but says he'll invade Pakistan.
He wants to reduce dependence on foriegn oil but wants no more pumping of
American oil.
He wants to negotiate with terrorists but now his spokeswoman says they will
kill Bin Laden.
He wants the prisoners in Guantanemo to come under the rights of the
Constitution, but wants to suspends those rights for innocent American
citizens!
What a bag of shit!
God damn America!
Bob
And 8 years of bush administration did what for us??????
Even the mouths on the business shows (CNBC etc) say he has fucked the
economy up. THe guy on the stock pick program Mad Money says bush is
bad for the economy.
When you hear stock brokers saying the economy is shit and blamming
bush somthing is very wrong.
Bob
Capt. JG
news:66156597-1589-431f...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...<< bs removed >>
>
>And 8 years of bush administration did what for us??????
Well, we've got a lovely war that's making us "safer" isn't it? Went after
Saddam while bin laden played with the taliban, currently in Pakistan, our
wonderful ally who allowed the proliferation of nukes to N. Korean and
Syria. Hey, and don't forget all the goodwill Bush pissed away after the
Sept. attack. He's unrepentant, and who cares (according to Cheney) if 70%
of the voters think we're going in the wrong direction and the war was a
sack-o-shit lying misadventure.
>Even the mouths on the business shows (CNBC etc) say he has fucked the
>economy up. THe guy on the stock pick program Mad Money says bush is
>bad for the economy.
>
>When you hear stock brokers saying the economy is shit and blamming
>bush somthing is very wrong.
>Bob
Now, the rightwing-nuts are going to go after "speculators" in the oil
commodities market. Why? Well, Congress (Democrats therein being complicit
I'm ashamed to admit) decided to de-regulate them in 2007, so even if they
are to blame (which is doubtful, since they generally smooth out
fluctuations), we have no way of knowing (something like 30% of commoditiy
trading is "regulated" by foreign exchanges). Of course, McCain, honorable
and reasonably intelligent, originally thought the obscene oil-co profits
should be taxed, but now has decided that Bushco's oil buddies will need to
help him win this coming November, so he's gone back on what he said.
I'm hoping that the two candidates will avoid the personal attacks (although
going after Michelle seems to be the ticket right now), actually talk about
the vast differences, avoid mis-quoting each other, and treat each other
with the respect each certainly deserve.
Rant on -
Kucinich, despite him being (tongue in cheek) a bit left of center, should
have his 35 articles of impeachment of Bush heard on the House floor, but
Pelosi said it's "off the table." Why? I recently asked Feinstein (one of
our Senators), and the response was "it wouldn't be good for the country."
Why? It's no wonder that people are moving toward independent status. It was
"good" for the country to impeach Clinton but not "good" for the country to
impeach Bush.
- Rant off
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Kapt Krunch
"Bob" <frey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:66156597-1589-431f...@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
And 8 years of bush administration did what for us??????
Even the mouths on the business shows (CNBC etc) say he has fucked the
economy up. THe guy on the stock pick program Mad Money says bush is
bad for the economy.
When you hear stock brokers saying the economy is shit and blamming
bush somthing is very wrong.
Bob
Under the Bush administration America was only attacked for one day by Al
Qeada. It was repeatedly attacked under Clinton.
Under Bush, children in religious compounds in Texas were given back to
their parents rather than incinerated by flame throwing tanks under Clinton.
Laura Bush will not be launching her own presidential campaign or run for
senator in a state she never lived in.
Bush is not bad for the economy, the Congress is. How has the economy been
doing since we have a the Democrat majority in Congress?
If Bush is so bad why hasn't the Democrat Congress opposed him?
Do you believe the Democrats will tax us into prosperity?
The stock bubble occured on Clinton's watch.
The greed of the 80's was only exceeded by the greed of the 90's.
Obama is an empty suit. If you think Carters was bad, you ain't seen nothing
yet.
Elian Gonzalez is now a brainwashed commie bootlicker thanks to Clinton.
Stock brokers are salesmen. They are not economists. In fact, they sell
products that have a pretty good record of not satifying their customers.
Are the brokers going to blame themselvesor their product?
Under Bush:
Individual American's gas consumption has been reduced.
Eating of unhealthy food has been reduced.
Frivolous spending by individuals has been reduced.
More people own more houses under Bush than Clinton.
The tide is turning on obesity under Bush.
1/2 a billion dollars was donated to Democratic presidential candidates this
cycle. The money could have been used directly to help those without food,
housing or medical care. The 100 million $ Clintons donate only to their own
charity.
Bush is perhaps the worst Republican president ever. That still makes him
better than 80% of the Democrat presidents.
Capt. JG
news:t0ri54t89mhhoqn9h...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:55:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>although
>>going after Michelle seems to be the ticket right now
>
> screams "no fair" when people criticize what she's said. The edition of
> the
> Times I got this morning headlined its front page article something like
> "Michelle Obama, under attack, looks for a new introduction" It should
> have
> said "Michelle Obama, foot in mouth, requests do-over."
So you think the left-wingnuts should attack Cindy McCain who has also been
"put out there"?
Is that the most important thing in this campaign... no, don't answer. It's
clear.
Vote McCain! Four more years for change!
Bill Kearney
> What a bag of shit!
He has no experience. Sadly this glaring fact is escaping the hordes
enamored of the idea of voting a black man into office. Or, worse yet,
anything but a republican. Idiots, do they no remember the TRAIN WRECK
of Jimmy Carter's term in office? No experience, no infrastructure,
handed a precarious economy, oil woes. Unfortunately if they elect this
inexperienced candidate they'll doom us at to repeat that miserable time.
Kapt Krunch
"Bill Kearney" <wkear...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:O_qdnekYUZqO4MTV...@speakeasy.net...
He is only 1/2 black so the premise of voting a black man into office is
false.
He is a good man, too good to be a politician. He will be eaten alive in
office and America will suffer.
Bill Kearney
> He is a good man, too good to be a politician. He will be eaten alive in
> office and America will suffer.
Good, at what? Besides being a talking head? He's done nothing, run
nothing, sponsored no legislation, nadda, zip, zilch.
America will suffer if he's elected, whether or not he's 'eaten alive' isn't
the problem.
OzOne
wrote:
>He says he wants to put a windfall profit tax on oil companies (he's taxing
>your pension) and yet he says he'll cut taxes on business. He's full of
>crap!
No he's taxing the companies additional profits because they are
charging infllated prices based upon Saudi prices.
He's taxing their profiteering.
>
>He wants to pull out of Iraq but says he'll invade Pakistan.
At least he's not lying about why...
>He wants to reduce dependence on foriegn oil but wants no more pumping of
>American oil.
He wants to reduce dependance by reducing comsumption of a finite
resource.
>
>He wants to negotiate with terrorists but now his spokeswoman says they will
>kill Bin Laden.
Ahhh now we get into gross distrortions..
>
>He wants the prisoners in Guantanemo to come under the rights of the
>Constitution, but wants to suspends those rights for innocent American
>citizens!
More distortion
>
>What a bag of shit!
You are indeed
>
>God damn America!
It's your country.....If you don't like it leave!
>
OzOne of the three twins
I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:34:37 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>So you think the left-wingnuts should attack Cindy McCain who has also
>>been
>>"put out there"?
>
> spokesperson, then what she says is fair game for criticism. Sauce for the
> goose, etc. I gather you reject such an even-handed approach.
>
>>Is that the most important thing in this campaign...
>
> so-called
> "attacks" on Michelle Obama.
Ah, so it's whining when I ask whether or not it's appropriate. Sounds like
you're taking the high road on this one!
Capt. JG
And, those with "experience" did what exactly? Screwed things up for us and
the rest of the world. Interesting that the greatest innovation takes place
in areas where "inexperience' is an asset.
Last I checked Carter was a president in the last century.
Capt. JG
According to you and a whopping 30% of the voting public. You can't be all
wrong!
Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:59:01 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>Ah, so it's whining when I ask whether or not it's appropriate.
>
> criticizing her was "appropriate."
"I'm hoping that the two candidates will avoid the personal attacks
(although
going after Michelle seems to be the ticket right now), actually talk about
the vast differences, avoid mis-quoting each other, and treat each other
with the respect each certainly deserve."
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Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:00:35 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>Last I checked Carter was a president in the last century.
>
It's so... last century. And, not really relevent to Obama. He was born in
1961. Carter was president from 1977 to 1981. Obama was barely old enough to
vote when Carter left office. Perhaps you can compare McCain to Reagan. At
least McCain was on the team when Ronny Raygun was around.
Capt. JG
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:39:51 +1000, OzOne said:
>
>>>God damn America!
>>
>>It's your country.....If you don't like it leave!
>
> with
> which those who follow the news in this country are all too familiar.
Really? Who are you talking about? Perhaps a preacher with no relevence to
the issues that need to be discussed.... Sure sounds like the Swift Boat
Liars for Lies group to me... why don't you mention Barak's middle name.
That should do it!
Bloody Horvath
wrote this crap:
\
>>\
>And 8 years of bush administration did what for us??????
I'm doing good. I just put a new wide screen LCD TV in my yacht.
>When you hear stock brokers saying the economy is shit and blamming
>bush somthing is very wrong.
I don't hear that. The stockbrokers I know are doing great.
Hor...@Horvath.net
I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.
Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:14:40 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>> Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see any message from you asking
>>> whether
>>> criticizing her was "appropriate."
>>
>>
>>"I'm hoping that the two candidates will avoid the personal attacks
>>(although
>>going after Michelle seems to be the ticket right now), actually talk
>>about
>>the vast differences, avoid mis-quoting each other, and treat each other
>>with the respect each certainly deserve."
>
> attacking statements made by Obama's spokesperson is inappropriate.
Did I have to say that? Isn't that obvious? And, does that mean you take
back what you said about me whining about what Cindy's been saying? Is she
"in play" now also?
Larry
> Good, at what? Besides being a talking head? He's done nothing, run
> nothing, sponsored no legislation, nadda, zip, zilch.
>
....just like Hillary!
Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:19:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>It's so... last century. And, not really relevent to Obama.
>
> same
> mistakes all over again, eh.
I don't know. Which mistakes are you talking about? Do you think obscene
profits in times of nation crisis are ok?
Bloody Horvath
wrote this crap:
>> Ah. So since he was just a kid then, he has a license to make Carter's
>> same
>> mistakes all over again, eh.
>
>
>I don't know. Which mistakes are you talking about? Do you think obscene
>profits in times of nation crisis are ok?
I certainly do.
Capt. JG
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:22:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>I don't know. Which mistakes are you talking about?
>
>
>>Do you think obscene
>>profits in times of nation crisis are ok?
>
> a
> company to earn? No profit? Consult a panel of experts who would set it?
> Maybe a Central Committee?
Don't know. McCain seemed to know. He said he wasn't in favor of them. I'm
sure he knows more than I about the subject.
> What's the order of magnitude of the gross margins of:
>
> Oil Companies?
> Pharma Companies (who now like to call themselves "Pharmaceutical Research
> Companies")?
> Electronics Manufacturers?
> Computer Equipment makers?
> Microsoft?
Sounds fine to me. Is that the order from most to least obscene? Glad I'm
not on the list!
> Are these the right margins? If not, how much more should the guvmint take
> from each of them so their profit margins will be "right"?
>
> Near as I can figure, in the liberal lexicon "obscene" profits are
> whatever
> profits are made by the other fella.
This was McCain speaking... except when he got in front of the big oil crowd
of course!
>
> Oh, and BTW, current unemployment rates, and yuppies having to park their
> power boats and SUVs for a while, hardly qualify as a "nation crisis."
> Have
> you noticed how empty the roads are recently?
So, it's the yuppies who are unemployed, not the inner city kids looking for
a summer job, ones that are now filled by the elderly? I have no sympathy
for powerboaters! It's crowded on the freeway in Silicon Valley.
Capt. JG
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:45:59 -0700, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid>
> said:
>
>>> What's the order of magnitude of the gross margins of:
>>>
>>> Oil Companies?
>>> Pharma Companies (who now like to call themselves "Pharmaceutical
>>> Research
>>> Companies")?
>>> Electronics Manufacturers?
>>> Computer Equipment makers?
>>> Microsoft?
>>
>>Sounds fine to me. Is that the order from most to least obscene? Glad I'm
>>not on the list!
>
Really?
http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2008/01/25/i-like-big-margins-and-i-cannot-lie.aspx
Big bummer about the oil companies... gross margins of less than 10%... the
sky is falling!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102702399.html
http://seekingalpha.com/article/10094-chart-flash-memory-manufacturers-gross-profit-margins
>
> [snip]
>
>>> you noticed how empty the roads are recently?
>>
>>It's crowded on the freeway in Silicon Valley.
>
> Gee, so is it on the East Coast. Funny that should happen in time of such
> a
> "nation crisis" isn't it?
Not really. We cling to our gas-guzzling cars, guns, and religion. I know I
do!
jeff
...
> Pharma Companies (who now like to call themselves "Pharmaceutical Research
> Companies")?
Sure they love to push the myth that they spend almost all the money you
give them on research, but in fact its only 13.4%, or roughly what other
high tech companies spend on R&D. They are really marketing companies,
spend 24.4% of sales in that area.
I hate the fact that the biggest contributor to our high drug costs is
the noxious ads that are illegal in almost every other country.
Kapt Krunch
>>>>>God damn America!
>>>>
I seriously question Obama's judgment. Why be a member of a church that
preaches hate for 20 years and then all of a sudden disavow it to get
elected president?
Another factor casting a shadow upon his judgement is his pledge to have a
publicly financed campaign and then he changes it once he starts getting
money from private sources - just to get elected president?
Obama comes from a broken family, he was raised by his rascist, white
grandmother. How has this distorted his world view? Bill Clinton grew up
fatherless and we all see what he is. Obama seems to want to be liked by
everyone, he hasn't taken a stand (especially an unpopular one) on any
issue - that includes the Iraq invasion. He may win the popularity contest
for most likeable guy for president, but where's the beef?
He says he will bring people together, but he has the most liberal voting
record in the Senate. He has a minimal understanding of economics, a fairy
tale view of foreign policy, and no diverse life experience. He's a lawyer,
his wife is a lawyer that is all they know. Worst yet, they both have worked
only in the non profit sector, where money comes from handouts. He knows
nothing about entreprenuership, business, or how the average American's
daily life is. He's a product of the Chicago Southside machine.
The only reason people will vote for him is as a backlash against Bush. With
the ethanol crop under water, soaring food and gas costs, devaluing dollar
and the rest, Obama's old time solution of tax and spend will lead to
nothing but increased personal and societal misery as it has in the past.
What events in Obama's life reveal his character? No one really knows the
guy, all we see is the current color of this chameleon. What has he done?
One thing we do know is that both him and his wife can be bought, as it is
with almost every politician. Unlike others, his price seems to be a
bargain - perhaps because of his poor judgement.
Kapt Krunch
<OzOne> wrote in message news:kd3j5451g0u86n78e...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:08:28 -0600, "Kapt Krunch" <KK6...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>He says he wants to put a windfall profit tax on oil companies (he's
>>taxing
>>your pension) and yet he says he'll cut taxes on business. He's full of
>>crap!
>
> No he's taxing the companies additional profits because they are
> charging infllated prices based upon Saudi prices.
> He's taxing their profiteering.
Yes, the cost of gasoline goes up because the Saudis charge more so we tax
American companies! The logic is impeccable! hahahahahaha!!!!!!
Let's tax farmers because the price of food is going up!
Let's tax universities because education is getting more expensive!
Let's tax doctors because health care is more expensive!
>>
>>He wants to pull out of Iraq but says he'll invade Pakistan.
>
> At least he's not lying about why...
Why?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3434573&page=1
Diplomacy at work! Invade Pakistan, capture Bin Laden and read him his
rights!
hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>>He wants to reduce dependence on foriegn oil but wants no more pumping of
>>American oil.
>
> He wants to reduce dependance by reducing comsumption of a finite
> resource.
Doesn't that happen naturally by the price going up? Why do we have to elect
him for what is happening already?
>>
>>He wants to negotiate with terrorists but now his spokeswoman says they
>>will
>>kill Bin Laden.
>
> Ahhh now we get into gross distrortions..
Really? Here are some quotes:
http://www.examiner.com/a-1445814~Obama_advisers_say_bin_Laden_can_appeal_to_U_S__courts.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD6rR2CaPK4
Distortions?
hahahahahahaha!!!!!
>>
>>He wants the prisoners in Guantanemo to come under the rights of the
>>Constitution, but wants to suspends those rights for innocent American
>>citizens!
>
> More distortion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/12/guantanamo-detainees-have_n_106757.html
hahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!
>>
>>What a bag of shit!
>
> You are indeed
Looks like you stepped in some shit by putting your foot in your mouth.
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
>>
>>God damn America!
>
> It's your country.....If you don't like it leave!
hahahahahahaaaa!!!! I wish people who say that would leave and take their
congregation with them. hahahahahahahahahaa!!!! Don't you?
hahahahahahahahaa!!!!!
And more :
http://allafrica.com/stories/200805050165.html
the result:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7465766.stm
hahahahahahahaha!!!! A view of the future if he is elected! All talk and
nothing else! hahahahahahaha!!!!!! Jimmy Carter all over! hahahahahaha!!!!
A man of his word:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/obama-to-break.html
Breaks a solemn promise to the American people!!!!
In four years the Republican presidential candidate will ask in the debate:
"Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" and go on to win in a
landslide.
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
sailirc
"jeff" <je...@foo.net> wrote in message
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to much talk about obama, if he cannot fix the mess he can always nig..er
rig it
Capt. JG
news:ILk7k.651$IL6.3@trnddc04...
Wow... that's pretty sick. I thought you were a reasonable person, but I can
see why your "forum" isn't worth my time.
sailirc
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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blaaah you were never gonna show up to it anyways so who cares.
and also it was a joke dumb a..
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Capt. JG
heh... so much for looking before we leap... no hard feelings on my part. It
*was* a dumb joke.
sailirc
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
have you seen katie or anyone ?
this group is dead.
Scooter
>
>> "j" ganz @@
>> www.sailnow.com
>>
>>
>>
> just a joke going around, no harm intended.
>
> have you seen katie or anyone ?
> this group is dead.
>
>
> --
> Boat Auctions
> http://sailirc.net/boats/index.php
>
JG is Jon Gange.
He and Katie net-copped everyone that they disagreed with and ran them off.
They even lied and cried so much to some news servers that some of the
regulars lost their newsservice and even their ISPs.
Ganze is trouble. He's so paranoid that he calls everyone that tells the
truth a "Sock"
He claims to have everyone killfiled, but he responds to everything that
they type.
Watch. He'll even call me a "sock"
Scooter
> "sailirc" <sai...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Yrl7k.3917$JL.1816@trnddc05...
>>
>>> "j" ganz @@
>>> www.sailnow.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> just a joke going around, no harm intended.
>>
>> have you seen katie or anyone ?
>> this group is dead.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Boat Auctions
>> http://sailirc.net/boats/index.php
>>
>
> JG is Jon Gange.
That should be "Ganze"
Bloody Horvath
wrote this crap:
>>>
>> JG is Jon Gange.
>
>That should be "Ganze"
That should be, "Jon-boy."
Gregory Hall
"Bloody Horvath" <Blo...@Horvath.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:14:53 -0400, "Scooter" <ver...@idaho.camo>
> wrote this crap:
>
>>>>
>>> JG is Jon Gange.
>>
>>That should be "Ganze"
>
>
> That should be, "Jon-boy."
That should be Gay-Boy, Momma's Boi Jon Boi! The most famousest of all
netKKKops and a liar, a creepy, little, hypocrite faggot.
--
Gregory Hall
Steve
On 18-Jun-2008, Bob <frey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And 8 years of bush administration did what for us??????
> Even the mouths on the business shows (CNBC etc) say he has fucked the
> economy up. THe guy on the stock pick program Mad Money says bush is
> bad for the economy.
>
> When you hear stock brokers saying the economy is shit and blamming
> bush something is very wrong.
> Bob
Bush is one out of 250 million problems. You losers loading your Toyota with
red Chinese crap from Walmart sealed the collapse and eminent long term
depression. Bush and congress got there by your voting habits-the problem is
in your mirror.
Capt. JG
news:qcBak.6779$3q7...@newsfe15.lga...
Unfortunately, you're mostly right.
Jonathan Ganz
<sa...@dog.com> wrote:
Well, I have an overly loaded Jeep.... and it's loaded with sailing crap. LOL
Steve
On 2-Jul-2008, sa...@dog.com wrote:
> >> red Chinese crap from Walmart sealed the collapse and eminent long term
> >> depression. Bush and congress got there by your voting habits-the
> >> problem
> >> is
> >> in your mirror.
> >
> >
> >Unfortunately, you're mostly right.
>
> Not really. Overly simplistic and ignores reality.
What you meant to say was overly optimistic....