Sail around the world!!!
Arne
Fulfil your life’s dream! Take one or two years off from all known and
join me on a trip around the world in my sailboat! Have you ever
thought about taking some time off from work or school, just to enjoy
yourself? Not just like a holiday, but for a year, and see the world?
Here is your opportunity.
I am a 25-year-old man from Norway seeking the companionship of 4-5
people, who would like to go around the world, starting spring year
2000.
Who am I?
Right now I live and work in Oslo Norway, I am originally from a big
farm in mid-Norway, but am currently working in Norway’s biggest
computer magazine Computerworld. I have worked here for the past three
years selling advertisement. I don’t have any school after highschool,
but I have a year in the army and five years experience as a
salesperson. In about seven years I will return to my fathers farm to
become a farmer.
I am outgoing and thrive in the company of other people. I like to
believe that I am a great listener, but I can also talk for hours
myself. I am a very creative person, and demand a dynamic environment
that challenges me and brings forward my capabilities.
I am not a great sailor myself, but going around the world in a sailboat
has been a dream of mine since I was 12 years old. My experiences with
boats are from boating in the Norwegian fjords every summer, and from
the many scuba-diving trips I have been on.
I live in a flat I bought two years ago. I live there with my cousin,
and two friends. The four of us enjoy spending a lot of time together.
Even though it is quite crowded living four people there we seldom
quarrel, and it didn’t take long after we moved in before we all had
common friends. I am planing to sell the flat to finance the vessel.
Who are you?
You are definitely a good sailor; you have been on several long
sailtrips or participated in races with your own boat or in a team. You
feel young and you are a man or a woman. You are from anywhere in the
world, and you are of no particular race. You like the company of other
people, and you have a strong mind. You have no problems controlling
your temperament and you are reasonably tidy. You can write a minimum of
four pages about yourself and send them to me, together with five
(minimum) photographs of yourself.
Where do we go?
We probably start of somewhere in California. After that the democracy
on the boat decides. The trip will last for a minimum of one year. You
may or may not stay on for the entire trip, although people who wants to
stay on for the entire year is favoured.
What about “my sailboat”?
As you may already have understood I have yet to buy the designated
vessel. However I know this much; it will probably be an ordinary, fast
sailboat around 55-60 feet long. I have currently three vessels in
sight and they are all located in California.
Mail me at this address: ar...@bohmer.com
Mundo
> Go around the world?
Arnie........ Just like the Army there is no democracy on a boat. Someone
needs to stand up and be a leader. Suggest you learn to sail first.
--
Mundo
"The captain who is a bully and an ass"
Abraham Kaufman
JAXAshby
I think neither of you understands the nature of power and the social
needs/requirements of leadership. Neither a bully (self-proclaimed yet!!) nor
a consensus-seeker keep the boat (or any other social unit) afloat.
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...
And your point being? This guy is talking about sailing around the world
with a bunch of strangers. Dreams only get you so far. The hierarchy on
board is Captain then everyone else. Only one person is answerable on
board and therefore responsible for the welfare of all beneath his
command without question. If you believe other wise then maybe you should
sign up for this little social/ sailing revolution. I'm sure you can all
sit around the cockpit and vote on whethor or not it is time to reef or
should we form a committee and meet on this again with their findings at
a later date. By the way I am also " an ass"(self-proclaimed yet!!) .But
I am the captain on board my vessel without question. Are you???
--
Mundo
"The captain who is a bully and an ass"(self-proclaimed yet!!)
JAXAshby
mundo, it is very sad to see anyone who believes as you say you do. PLAINLY,
you have no better understanding of the needs, requirements and
responsibilities of leadership than he does. That's sad, truly sad.
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...Supposing I was open minded. Why don't you explain it to me.
Katysails
weather is tough and decisions have to be made, then people (crew) have to hop
to it and do what the Captain says...NOW....Many who do not have armed services
backgrounds don't understand the concept of leadership. Can you imagine "war
by committee"? It wouldn't work. Sailing by committee would take on the
asspects of that old poem about the blind men and the elephant. There would be
no clear perspective of the problem and the outcome would be erroneous.
katysails
http://home.talkcity.com/ArenaBlvd/katysails/
"And we go, following the rhythms of the waves, Rocking our infinity on the
finite seas;" Charles Baudelaire
Scott Vernon
Scott
Mundo wrote in message ...
leader. Suggest you learn to sail first.
>>> --
>>> Mundo
>>> "The captain who is a bully and an ass"
>
>>I think neither of you understands the nature of power and the social
>needs/requirements of leadership. Neither a bully (self-proclaimed
>yet!!) nor
>a consensus-seeker keep the boat (or any other social unit) afloat.<
>
>And your point being? This guy is talking about sailing around the world
>with a bunch of strangers. Dreams only get you so far. The hierarchy on
>board is Captain then everyone else. Only one person is answerable on
>board and therefore responsible for the welfare of all beneath his
>command without question. If you believe other wise then maybe you should
>sign up for this little social/ sailing revolution. I'm sure you can all
>sit around the cockpit and vote on whethor or not it is time to reef or
>should we form a committee and meet on this again with their findings at
>a later date. By the way I am also " an ass"(self-proclaimed yet!!) .But
>I am the captain on board my vessel without question. Are you???
>--
>Mundo
>"The captain who is a bully and an ass"(self-proclaimed yet!!)
Scott Vernon
Katysails Viagra again?
I'm not defending this dreamer's plan, but he was talking about the
destinations when he mentioned democracy. READ BELOW;
>Where do we go?
>We probably start of somewhere in California. After that the democracy
>on the boat decides. The trip will last for a minimum of one year. You
Katysails babbled...
Mundo
> Mundo, I think you lose your credibility with that signature.
>
> Scott
>
> Mundo wrote in message ...
> leader. Suggest you learn to sail first.
> >>> --
> >>> Mundo
> >>> "The captain who is a bully and an ass"
> >
Katysails
has questioned the Captain's instructions, making a preventable situation into
a dangerous situation. Or maybe you have never raced, where the Captain,
versed in tactics, makes the calls so that the race is won. Not many races are
won by not following orders. I used the analogy of the armed services because
the obediance expected there is unquestioned. The "Captain" has the ultimate
responsibility. And no, I am not comparing sailing trips to war, I am
comparing levels of obediance and understanding of leadership tactics. You
been taking blond pills?
Scott Vernon
Katysails wrote in message ...
>Obviously, Scott, you have never been on a boat in a situation where the
crew
>has questioned the Captain's instructions, making a preventable situation
into
>a dangerous situation.
This is true, my crew always follows my orders without hesitation.
>Or maybe you have never raced, where the Captain,
>versed in tactics, makes the calls so that the race is won. Not many races
are
>won by not following orders.
What does racing tactics have to do with deciding on a destination? Read the
original post, dear.
>I used the analogy of the armed services because
>the obediance expected there is unquestioned.
YES SIR, er.. ma'am.
<snipped the part about mr. sails being katy's obedient slave>
Scott, ruler of all his surroundings.
Roger Wollin
<SBVE...@email.msn.com> kerfuffled thusly:
>Mundo, I think you lose your credibility with that signature.
>
>Scott
>
>Mundo wrote in message ...
>leader. Suggest you learn to sail first.
>>>> --
>>>> Mundo
>>>> "The captain who is a bully and an ass"
Just out of interest, I've always guessed that that signature is a
quotation. Just who is, or was, Mundo?
Cheers
Roger
Mundo
mot...@nildram.co.uk says...
> On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:31:40 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
> <SBVE...@email.msn.com> kerfuffled thusly:
>
> >Mundo, I think you lose your credibility with that signature.
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >Mundo wrote in message ...
> >leader. Suggest you learn to sail first.
> >>>> --
booze, and drugs of which this group may become bored so I will skip it.
The quote is from a log entry pertaining to me by a former girl friend.
Loree Thomas
This has been an interesting topic to me for a very long time. I was in
military service as a callow youth.
In my high school years, the incident of Lt. Calley(sp) in Vietnam came
up. The courts reaffirmed that "I was just obeying orders" is not an
adequate defense for war crimes.
My own experience as a nuclear plant operator on board a submarine was
that obedience to direct orders was predicated on my knowing that the
order wasn't a stupid mistake. Enlisted men were encouraged... not
strong enough, it was actually part of standing orders... to
respectfully refuse and gently correct an Officer who gave a dangerous
(to the ship) order. I'll admit is was a very special situation, stupid
orders could in fact kill every single person on board and lay waste to
broad areas of the environment.
Couple all that with the reports on the mortality rate of of newly
commissioned officers in war situations (many of them with entry wounds
in their backs) and a pattern begins to emerge.
True leadership consists, in part, in earning the respect of your crew.
The crew, in turn, has both the obligation to follow direct orders and
to think for themselves at the same time. When a leader issues
arbitrary, nonsensical, illegal or actively dangerous orders, he
undermines his own authority. If I ever found myself serving under such
a Capt, I would leave the ship at the earliest opportunity. If his
orders were illegal or dangerous, I might well refuse them. If they
were merely arbitrary or nonsensical I would carry them out during the
time I remained on board.
Fortunately, such people... such "leaders"... are fairly easy to spot.
I believe that I will never sign on to crew with such a person.
OTOH, in an emergency situation, instantaneous response to commands may
well be the difference between life and death.
I don't believe Mundo is truly a "Bully and an Ass.", his postings here
belie his sig... so I must assume it's a joke sig.
In the case of the inexperienced person looking for a crew to sail
around the world in a couple of years... I wouldn't join that crew on a
dare.
Hugs,
Loree
JAXAshby
>Supposing I was open minded. Why don't you explain it to me.
Because Leadership is *always* granted with the approval of those led, and is
conditioned on the express belief that the led are better off for it. Once it
becomes obvious to the led that their (collective) needs are not being met and
they are worse off for the leadership, they throw out (vote out, execute,
shoot, blow up or otherwise overthrow) the rascals and put new rascals in.
Sometimes -- for short periods of time -- bullies and armed thugs can take over
a leadership position (but only if more bullies and thugs gain by that
leadship). Eventually new graves are dug and order returns. Put another way,
a bully captain finds the ship's owners have put him ashore, or if he owns the
ship, he has no crew.
JAXAshby
>The quote <<The captain who is a bully and an ass>> is from a log entry
pertaining to me by a former girl friend.
Question mundo? Now, do you understand my comment about the needs of those led
must be met by the leader or else they replace him???
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...
an empty slip. What do they say about teaching pigs to sing????Thanks for
your concern of my political correctness. Wait a minute my inner woman is
fighting with my outer woman.
--
I Remain!!!!
Mundo
Capt. Neal®
You are completely out of touch. You have been brainwashed
by the US government. You have a low IQ. Mundo is
absolutely correct. There is but one ruler aboard a vessel
and the captain is that ruler. Only God has more power than
the Captain. Mundo is also correct when he says it is the
Captain's duty to wield his powers with only the good of the
ship as a consideration. If a captain has any of his
decisions based on whether or not he will hurt someone's
feelings, then he is a very poor captain, indeed. And you,
sir, are a PUTZ.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JAXAshby wrote in message
<19990821091358...@ng-bd1.aol.com>...
>mundo spouts:>In article
<19990821074004...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
>>jaxa...@aol.com says...
>>Abraham Kaufman complains about Mundo:
>>
>>>You need a reality check!
>>>
>>>Mundo wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <37B83F6B...@bohmer.com>,
ar...@bohmer.com says...
>>>> > Go around the world?
>>>> Arnie........ Just like the Army there is no democracy
on a boat.
>>Someone
>>>> needs to stand up and be a leader. Suggest you learn to
sail first.
>>>> --
>>>> Mundo
>>>> "The captain who is a bully and an ass"
>>
>>Mundo
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...
> mundo asks (and I will accept that he is sincere):
>
> >Supposing I was open minded. Why don't you explain it to me.
>
> Because Leadership is *always* granted with the approval of those led, and is
> conditioned on the express belief that the led are better off for it. Once it
> becomes obvious to the led that their (collective) needs are not being met and
> they are worse off for the leadership, they throw out (vote out, execute,
> shoot, blow up or otherwise overthrow) the rascals and put new rascals in.
> Sometimes -- for short periods of time -- bullies and armed thugs can take over
I find the presented outline of the trip a little loose. I do not slight
a man for having dreams but by all accounts it appears he is purchasing
the boat and recruiting crew without any prior sailing let alone cruising
knowledge. He believes that because he gets along alright with his room
mates that he will be able to spend a year at sea with virtual strangers.
Perhaps he should learn to sail before he takes off on this adventure.
Only by understanding his responsibility as captain will he under stand
his responsibility to the crew and ship. As far as your explanation of
leadership it will always be in turmoil. There is always someone with
more ambition bitting at your heals. The nice thing about owning ones own
boat is I may exercise my choice of how much "leadership" needs to be
exerted to keep peace on board and still make headway. There will always
be malcontents and to those people I say "Go sail your own boat" Maybe
they can do it better maybe not. On my vessel it is my way or the hi way
Capt. Neal®
You, Mundo are a gentleman and a scholar. Your attitude
suggests that you are among the few in this group who can
actually sail a boat across an ocean and get it right!
Remember that poor slob who captained (and I use the term
loosely) the Westsail 32 and alowed a couple of hysterical
women to get on the radio and broadcast a mayday when none
was necessary, thus instigating a huge farce of a search and
rescue effort?
I bet it would never happen with you or I at the helm!
Political correctness has even less place on board a vessel
than it has on shore, and, on shore, it has no place at all.
Stick by your guns, comrade!
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mundo wrote in message ...
JAXAshby
>Wait a minute my inner woman is
>fighting with my outer woman.
mundo, I doubt there is a single person on this board who cares WHAT kind of
woman you might be. We just note the correlation between your tag line and
your lack of a woman on your boat
Scott Vernon
Loree Thomas wrote in message <37BEF7B7...@uswest.net>...
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...
> mundo tells us about himself:
>
> >Wait a minute my inner woman is
> >fighting with my outer woman.
With a dying gasp Jax says:
>
> mundo, I doubt there is a single person on this board who cares WHAT kind of
> woman you might be. We just note the correlation between your tag line and
> your lack of a woman on your boat
>
JAX you may have missed this part.
JAXAshby
>On my vessel it is my way or the hi way
mundo, we've heard you already. And we note that you also state you have no
women (or even woman) in your life. Did you ever wonder -- even for a moment
-- what it would be like to have women call YOU asking for a date? Did you
ever wonder it would be like to ask a woman for a date and not have her wrinkle
her nose? Did you ever wonder it would be like to have multiple women in a
night ... or a week ... or a month/season/year ... or a decade?? A man who has
a woman write in a legal document that the man "is a bully and an ass" didn't
get laid ... and could have. So much for the "hiway". We gather you do prefer
the (solo) "my way".
Ellen Stephano
JAXAshby <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990822181613...@ng-fh1.aol.com...
I have come to the conclusion that JAX is a woman. Only a woman would carry
on after being wrong and attempting to re direct the argument. These are
definitely feminine tactics. Go sail your own boat and leave us real men and
or sailors alone. Heres $6.00 go pick up a six pack I'll meet you here at
the dock.......hahahahahaha.
--
Mundo
"The captain who is a bully and an ass"
JAXAshby
>Go sail your own boat and leave us real men and
>or sailors alone. Heres $6.00 go pick up a six pack I'll meet you here at
>the dock
I did sail today. What did you do, enjoy the "real men" whose company you
say you much enjoy?
btw: I don't drink beer. A long time ago I saw the psychological profile
(Looooooser!) of your typical beer drinker(think not?? check *any* beer
comercial). Didn't drink much beer before, virtually none after.
captk...@webtv.net
Don't bring JAX or Mundo,
they would just argue the whole way round!
Thomas Stewart
An old saying:
A Captain gets the crew he deserves; and the crew creates the Captain
they get!
Mundo
btw: I don't drink beer. A long time ago I saw the psychological profile
> (Looooooser!) of your typical beer drinker(think not?? check *any* beer
> comercial). Didn't drink much beer before, virtually none after.
Finally Common Ground............
Chet Osborn
Mutiny on small boats
far from being uncommon
is the prevailing state of affairs
Regards
Chet
Capt. Neal®
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mundo wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal®
After having visited JAX's homepage I would not want him on
any boat either. I think I would fast tire of looking at the
man (????) sitting on the sofa in his dirty underwear.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
captk...@webtv.net wrote in message
<18931-37C...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
Mundo
Capt...@Bigfoot.com says...
> Don't drink beer? What do you chase the run down with?
>
> Respectfully,
> Capt. Neal
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thomas Hood
is granted control over the vessel for the purpose of racing. The
captain is in complete control when it comes to safety. The captain's
word is law (quite literally) and she can assume control of the vessel
and suspend or abandon racing at will. I say "she" in this case since
the captain of the boat I have in mind (Javelin) is a 24 year old girl.
You really gotta get out more, Meal. Especially when it comes to having
women as captain and/or crew.
Thomas Hood
th...@ifn.com
Katysails wrote:
>
> Obviously, Scott, you have never been on a boat in a situation where the crew
> has questioned the Captain's instructions, making a preventable situation into
> a dangerous situation. Or maybe you have never raced, where the Captain,
> versed in tactics, makes the calls so that the race is won. Not many races are
Mundo
jaxa...@aol.com says...
> mundo aka Ellen Stephano writes:
>
--
Mundo
"The captain who is a bully and an ass"
Mundo
> say you much enjoy?
"real men" I enjoy spending time with.
Jonathan Ganz
the responsibilities of the skipper (me) and those of the crew.
Basically, it's I'm the boss. I'm willing to be democratic in
most situations, but if I give an order, I expect it to be carried
out. I don't mind discussion _while_ someone is doing it, but not
before. Have a cahged my mind? Sure. But it's up to me to make the
ultimate decision about which way to go and how to get there safely.
There is a definite hierarchy on all boats I get on. If there isn't,
I don't go.
Jonathan
In article <19990821152918...@ng-ck1.aol.com>,
JAXAshby <jaxa...@aol.com> wrote:
>mundo asks (and I will accept that he is sincere):
>
>>Supposing I was open minded. Why don't you explain it to me.
>
>Because Leadership is *always* granted with the approval of those led, and is
>conditioned on the express belief that the led are better off for it. Once it
>becomes obvious to the led that their (collective) needs are not being met and
>they are worse off for the leadership, they throw out (vote out, execute,
>shoot, blow up or otherwise overthrow) the rascals and put new rascals in.
>Sometimes -- for short periods of time -- bullies and armed thugs can take over
>a leadership position (but only if more bullies and thugs gain by that
>leadship). Eventually new graves are dug and order returns. Put another way,
>a bully captain finds the ship's owners have put him ashore, or if he owns the
>ship, he has no crew.
--
Jonathan Ganz
ga...@sailnow.com
http://www.sailnow.com
Capt. Neal®
Any man who allows himself to be subordinate to a woman, in
any situation, is not a man at all. Even worse is when it
happens aboard a vessel. This is one of the problems I have
with the weenies who call themselves sailors these days. NO
WOMAN should ever be given the chance to be the Captain of a
male crew. NO MAN should allow himself to be put into such a
humiliating and disgraceful position. It goes against God's
ordained wishes and physical laws. God ordained that MEN
shall have dominion over the Earth and all its creatures.
God fully intended that women be in the 'creature' category
or else he would have said that MEN and Women shall have
dominion . . . But God is smarter than that. You men who
refuse to assert your dominance and accept your rightful
roll are doomed by prophesy to everlasting Hell. Think about
it! It is not too late to change your errant ways.
The very fact that some so-called men crew on a vessel with
a woman as Captain reveals to me that the entire lot of
these so-called men are painty-waisted wimps who should be
hung on the nearest yardarm. God and I view these men as
disgraceful failures not worthy of any consideration
whatsoever.
Remember the old cold war saying, "Better dead than Red?"
In this case I would have to say, "Better dead than Lead (by
a woman)!"
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thomas Hood wrote in message <37C142D3...@ifn.com>...
Scott Vernon
Scott
Capt. NealŽ wrote in message ...
JAXAshby
was named after "the greatest novel written in English) to his v-berth to share
a smoke -- writes:
>After having visited JAX's homepage I would ...
two questions, cappy. A.) why do you and larryf keep telling us about how many
times you've looked at my homepage? Huh??? and B.) what homepage??? (I don't
have a homepage. Some woman who characterized herself as "a fat, ex-stripper,
with tattos, who lives in a trailer in rural Virgina and whose electricity is
sometimes shut off for non-payment [incidently, this lifestyle {in her words}
is "upper-middle-class"] posted my then homepage on a weirdo's board with the
suggestion that clowns write me. I gather you are either familar with said
fat, ex-stripper, or the board she frequents.)
JAXAshby
>Any man who allows himself to be subordinate to a woman, in
>any situation, is not a man at all. Even worse is when it
>happens aboard a vessel......
>..........I would have to say, "Better dead than Lead (by
>a woman)!"
cappy, every hear of Dawn Riley or Louise Burke?????? I'd follow either one to
a Force 10 at sea or bed.
JAXAshby
>Whats the URL for JAX's homepage? I haven't seen it yet.
>
try www.carolcox.com, or
www.sexquotes.com, or
www.nullset.com, or
www.celebpics.com, or
www.dialaprayer.com, or
www.solohand~larryf.com
Arne
have taken
Interest.
First: If you don’t want to go with me, don’t.
To all of you who criticizes my leadership; I belive that I can manage
to the skipper
such a vessel. I have leader experience both from the army and from
work. I also know a few things about being on the ocean, to prove it, I
have among other things a skipper license allowing me to sail boats up
to 50 000 Kg in international waters. I said I was an inexperienced
sailor, that does not mean I don’t know anything about being on the
ocean. I have weeks on motorized vessels. When I say "After that the
democracy on the boat decides" it means that if everybody else want to
go to India, but I would like to go to Australia that is fine with me.
After all it's just a matter of in witch order. You can be damn sure
I’ll be in control of the boat. If you try to pull some “shit” you can
be sure you’ll be gone the next time we spot land.
By the way, to all of you who gave feedback, thank you!
Arne:-)
Mundo
http://www.mahina.com/index.html
Mundo
> I’ll be in control of the boat. If you try to pull some “shit” you can
> be sure you’ll be gone the next time we spot land.
>
>
>
sail and to do some extended cruising before undertaking this trip. This
is a web sight for a program that looks very interesting.
http://www.mahina.com/mahina.html
Scott Vernon
Mundo wrote in message ...
>>
>Correct page
>http://www.mahina.com/index.html