Boatless in Dallas
jlrogers±³©
a C&C 27, 1980, that looks, on the surface, to be in great shape (have been aboard once for about 15 minutes during a one day visit
to about 12 boats). I put it on my list for a more detailed look. Can anybody tell me if this is a Mark 1,2,or 3? Or tell me how
to tell.
Builder/Designer
Builder: C&C
Dimensions
LOA: 27' 11" LWL: 22' 11" Beam: 9' 1"
Displacement: 5500 Draft: 4' 6" Ballast: 2116
Engines
Engine(s): Yanmar Engine(s) HP: 12 Engine Model: Inboard YSM 12 R
Cruising Speed: 5.5 Max Speed: 7.5
Tankage
Fuel: 20 gallons Water: 26 gallons Holding: 15 gallons
Accommodations
a.. Sleeps five
b.. Marine head
c.. Galley sink
Galley
a.. Two-burner alcohol stove
b.. Icebox
c.. Sink
d.. Dinette arrangement
Electronics
a.. Data Marine depth sounder
b.. Data Marine knotmeter (NOTE: Both depth sounder and knotmeter have been sent for refurbishing.)
Electrical
a.. Two "27" batteries (one was purchased new June 2002)
b.. VHF
c.. Stereo/cassette
d.. Bilge pump
e.. 120 circuit
Sails
a.. Harken Furling Genoa 125% and 150%
b.. Storm jib
c.. Reefing
d.. Boom vang
e.. Adjustable back stay
Deck
a.. Steering wheel with compass
b.. Danforth anchor
c.. Fog bell
Additional
a.. All controls to cockpit
b.. Owner's manual
c.. Hatch screens
d.. Martec folding prop
e.. Swim ladder with teak steps
f.. Wind vane
a.. Whisker pole
b.. Bimini top
c.. Teak floor and interior
d.. Cabin inside height 6' 2"
e.. Lighter socket
jlrogers±³©
Never date a woman you can hear ticking.
- Mark Patinkin
jlrogers±³©
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jlrogers±³©
Never date a woman you can hear ticking.
- Mark Patinkin
"jlrogers±³©" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message news:GXdma.1187$N_3.1...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
Capt. Mooron
Ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha aha aha ahahahahaa......
Don't know what you mean about Mark 1 or 2 or 3..... C&C 27s are great club
racers and fine for weekends. It's one fast boat!
CM
"jlrogersąłŠ" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
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> jlrogersąłŠ
Simple Simon
Have it hauled, check the hull real good. It seems many
C&Cs have cored hulls. Most are in good shape but
some may have intrusion of water, rot and delamination.
Eliminate this possibility. Make a offer a couple thousand
dollars less than the asking price. If the seller agrees they
buy it.
I'm convinced that a sailing yacht in the 27-foot size range
is the ultimate in suitability to any and all sailing venues.
Good luck to you.
"jlrogersąłŠ" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message news:GXdma.1187$N_3.1...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> jlrogersąłŠ
jlrogers±³©
was aboard three times.)
In return, I kept his network running (An hour or two's work a month.) He also had a lodge at Vail, that I used more than he did.
His wife likes cities and shopping and he's whipped.
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jlrogers±³©
Never date a woman you can hear ticking.
- Mark Patinkin
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message news:Gkdma.43130$cB3.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> You don't even have your own BOAT!!!!!??????
> Ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha aha aha ahahahahaa......
>
> Don't know what you mean about Mark 1 or 2 or 3..... C&C 27s are great club
> racers and fine for weekends. It's one fast boat!
>
>
> CM
>
>
> "jlrogers±³©" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> > jlrogers±³©
Simple Simon
"jlrogersąłŠ" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message news:6Sdma.7$0i2.3...@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> His wife likes cities and shopping and he's whipped.
Now, why did you have to go and bring Bobsprit in
on this thread?
Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> I'm convinced that a sailing yacht in the 27-foot size range
> is the ultimate in suitability to any and all sailing venues.
That's ridiculous.... it appears to be a conclusion derived from a lack of
logic and experience. What basis do you have for this claim?
CM
PeterD
1. He has a 28 foot hole in the mud where they let him park
his rotting old Crapanado.
2. He's never had more life onboard than himself and any stray vermin
he can find, so 27' is perfectly adequate.
3. Any bigger and he gets agorophobia, which is why his only experience
is in the Delray Beach boating pond.
4. An old sailor was having a joke on him one day, and told him that
any boat over 26' cannot capsize, because there are no waves
higher than 25'.
Poor sap.
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Pd
Simple Simon
as well as 17 years of experience with a 27-footer.
I have gunk-holed the west coast of Florida and
almost the entire Bahamas chain. I have navigated
the Tenn-Tom waterway. I have sailed several
hundred miles out in the Gulf of Mexico while
crossing it. I have sailed several hundred miles
out in the Atlantic northeast of San Salvador
in the Bahamas. I have navigated the sounds,
bays and the Gulf in the Florida Keys. I
have sailed in the Gulf Stream. I have navigated
the Intracoastal Waterway from Mobile Bay
to the Chesapeake Bay. I have sailed offshore
in the Gulf Stream to Annapolis. I have sailed
Tampa Bay. I have sailed Florida Bay. I have
sailed inland lakes in Tennessee. I've done it
all but a circumnavigation.
While my 27-footer is competent and comfortable
in all these places and conditions of wind that I
have encountered from very light to gale force
many larger and smaller boats cannot say the
same. Larger boats with a few exceptions have
prohibitive draft for gunk-holing even if they
are better suited for deep water. Larger boats
tend to get sailed less because they are cumbersome
and expensive to operate.
Smaller boats than 27 feet while good at gunkholing
are not the best thing for open water and seaways
where they tend to get knocked around and have a
difficult time going to weather in heavy winds
and seas.
A 27-footer or thereabouts is just an excellent
compromise for a larger variety of sailing and
cruising than either larger or smaller vessels.
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message news:FXdma.43171$cB3.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
Simple Simon
It's easy to criticize others but unless
you have some experience yourself you
haven't a leg to stand on.
"PeterD" <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote in message news:1ftd049.yo6r0zk31zi5N%pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid...
Capt. Mooron
while I was away working. She was traveling around the globe and working
whenever she wanted to. When I came back from the job site 4 weeks later to
go for a sail.... 3 young guys from another moored boat tried to take me
down for breaking into *her* boat! It was too funny!
She had almost every guy in the area running errands for her and showing up
with wine and beer. She had fresh cut flowers in vases aboard. It was like
the whole male population had become fixated on her. I'm certain it had to
do with her long strawberry blond hair , the thong bikini and well developed
breasts.... which she was not shy of displaying while suntanning. Almost as
bad as the time I had the Swiss Miss staying aboard.... ;-D
CM
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Simple Simon
Just keep reading those Penthouse letters . . .
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message news:%uema.43185$cB3.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
katysails
Not fair, Mooron. Jerry has talked about not having a boat before and has
discussed buying boats before. A sailor does not have to won a boat...he
just has to sail.
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katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
katysails
> > is the ultimate in suitability to any and all sailing venues.
>
katysails
as well as 17 years of experience with a 27-footer.
You forgot to mention your trip to England...or so you claimed a great while
back...can't keep track of your own fantasy world?
Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> I base the claim on a variety of sailing conditions
> as well as 17 years of experience with a 27-footer.
I would put it to you that it takes much more experience than 17 years on
one design, even in a variety of localized sailing conditions to form a
viable claim as to vessel /size suitability. I have over 20 years of sailing
experience on over 2 dozen designs.
> I have gunk-holed the west coast of Florida and
> almost the entire Bahamas chain. I have navigated
> the Tenn-Tom waterway. I have sailed several
> hundred miles out in the Gulf of Mexico while
> crossing it. I have sailed several hundred miles
> out in the Atlantic northeast of San Salvador
> in the Bahamas. I have navigated the sounds,
> bays and the Gulf in the Florida Keys. I
> have sailed in the Gulf Stream. I have navigated
> the Intracoastal Waterway from Mobile Bay
> to the Chesapeake Bay. I have sailed offshore
> in the Gulf Stream to Annapolis. I have sailed
> Tampa Bay. I have sailed Florida Bay. I have
> sailed inland lakes in Tennessee. I've done it
> all but a circumnavigation.
H-m-m-m-m..... Done it all???? This would at best be considered localized
experience. It seems you have restricted yourself to US monitored East
coast sailing only. I've sailed the Bahamas in a 38 foot sailboat from
Eleuthra across the Yellow Banks to the Exuma Cays. I've also sailed in
further south in the Caribbean. I've sailed in the waters off Brazil. I've
sailed in the South Pacific, I've sailed in the North Pacific. I've'sailed
in the North Atlantic and Hudson's Bay. I've even sailed in the Beaufort
Sea. I have sailed in Great Slave Lake.
Yet with all this experience... much more than you it seems... I would never
make a claim that a 27 foot boat is the best for all types of sailing. It's
not! That's a fact!
>
> While my 27-footer is competent and comfortable
> in all these places and conditions of wind that I
> have encountered from very light to gale force
> many larger and smaller boats cannot say the
> same. Larger boats with a few exceptions have
> prohibitive draft for gunk-holing even if they
> are better suited for deep water. Larger boats
> tend to get sailed less because they are cumbersome
> and expensive to operate.
That's odd... when I had my 20 ft Nordica , I felt it was a competent and
comfortable boat. I often sailed with much larger vessels in rough weather
and had no more difficulties than they did. Although I concur with your
observation in regards to the treatment offered larger boats... this in no
way discounts the vessel... it discounts the owners as sailors.
>
> Smaller boats than 27 feet while good at gunkholing
> are not the best thing for open water and seaways
> where they tend to get knocked around and have a
> difficult time going to weather in heavy winds
> and seas.
I can't say I agree with your premise here.... there are many smaller
sailboats that are designed for ocean conditions. A smaller yet properly
designed vessel will not suffer as you claim. I know for a fact that my
Nordica 20 could easily endure in comfort the same conditions experienced by
a 32 Contessa and a Frasier 42. It would not however outsail a Catalina 22
in protected waters and very light winds. The Catalina 22 could not endure a
storm due to it's design.
>
> A 27-footer or thereabouts is just an excellent
> compromise for a larger variety of sailing and
> cruising than either larger or smaller vessels.
This is blatantly false. The design not the size is what matters in the
selection of a sail boat constrained within the parameters of sailing areas.
A selection of an all purpose boat to live aboard would dictate a common
sense selection of a full keel double ender.
CM
Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Just keep reading those Penthouse letters . . .
Are those the leaflets you get with your Rubber Doll???
CM
Capt. Mooron
posting!! It would be unethical. ;-D
CM
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Simple Simon
Your husband does the sailing and you
do the cooking and cleaning.
"katysails" <katy...@leapfroginet.com> wrote in message news:b7bu3e$d4s11$1...@ID-178897.news.dfncis.de...
Thomas Stewart
I have to agree with Simple here. 27 ft gives the room you can get by
with. It give you a decent size boat to stand up in a seaway. It is the
right size to single or double hand. Best of all it is a vessel you can
dock by yourself even if conditions start to get hairy. You can get on
and off without jumping down and get aboard with out the need of a step
or ladder.
It's a good all around size boat. Sail handling isn't that that hard.
Sails are reasonable size to handle and store.
It's the right size for an evening sail of about an hour or so. A
week-end sail is a perfect and a week's cruise is still do able.
It is just about the break point on full standing head room. Large
enough to carry a decent size dingy
Ole Thom
Simple Simon
You are a credit to the name, 'sailor'.
"Thomas Stewart" <tas...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18671-3E9...@storefull-2311.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Capt. Mooron
can range from a light air daysailor with no cabins to a transatlantic
passage maker. Ability to single hand is not based on vessel size.
Following your argument would mean that the ability to hoist the sails on a
30 footer would be drastically harder than a 27 footer. This is not the
case.... nor is draft the issue either. I know of many 30 footers with a
shallower draft than a Coronado 27 or a Catalina 27. Free boards are again
an aspect of design.... so are your other arguments. Size is not the issue
here and to attempt to qualify the suitability of a vessel due to it's size
flies in the face of logic.
You are ill advised to side with Capt. Neal on this issue because he is very
wrong in his assumptions.
CM
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Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> Finally - the voice of reason. Thank you Old Thom.
> You are a credit to the name, 'sailor'.
It's a shabby argument that requires it's platform to be braced by crowds
instead of facts. You won't venture to discuss this with me because you know
that you are wrong! Admit it.
I am dismayed to see you embrace the Liberal doctrines of popularity over
substance. Anne Coulter would slap you!
CM
Pony Express
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S/V Pony Express
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message
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Simple Simon
my opinions based on my own experience and
superior intellect and your have your opinions
based on your experience and your own faulty
intellect. Discussion about such things if futile.
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message news:rcgma.43232$cB3.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
Scotty
>
> A sailor does not have to won a boat...
>
true, I had to buy mine.
Scotty
Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> I don't see where there's much to discuss. I have
> my opinions based on my own experience and
> superior intellect and your have your opinions
> based on your experience and your own faulty
> intellect. Discussion about such things if futile.
Based on your own "limited" experience...
If intellect were the issue.... you wouldn't have made such an obviously
false claim to begin with.
What appears futile is pursuing a regime that would force to engage your
brain before putting your mouth in gear.
CM
Scotty
>
> "Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
> > I'm convinced that a sailing yacht in the 27-foot size range
> > is the ultimate in suitability to any and all sailing venues.
>
> That's ridiculous.... it appears to be a conclusion derived from a lack
of
> logic and experience.
and cash.
Scotty
Scotty
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Scotty
knowledgable group (cept for you-know-who).
Scotty
"jlrogersąłŠ" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> jlrogersąłŠ
Scotty
"Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in .43192
Capt. Mooron
"Scotty" <a*REAL*sai...@enter.net> wrote in message
Capt. Mooron
CM
"Scotty" <a*REAL*sai...@enter.net> wrote in message
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PeterD
> Let's hear about your sailing experience.
Hohoho. Translated, this means "tell us something that I can slag off
and criticise
Well, when I was much younger than 12, which you seem to think is the
minimum age for sailing, I sailed P-class dinghies, then by the time I
was 14 I had worked enough paper rounds and delivery jobs to buy my own
Paper Tiger, a 14' plywood catamaran, which I sailed every weekend and
most evenings, not just in the summer like you soft northern hemisphere
fine weather lubbers. The first day I took her out I seemed to be the
only boat in the gulf, sailed across to Rangitoto Island and back flying
a hull the whole way. Later found out it was gusting up to 40 knots at
times, but I learnt a whole lot about predicting gusts, watching the
water and controlling sail power. Some weeks later I found out that it
is practically impossible to right a heavy wooden cat when the top of
the mast is embedded in the mud, and that even when the thing wasn't
completely turtle, it was damn hard work getting it up and sailing after
canning out. I also learnt that even if you're a very strong swimmer, a
buoyancy aid or life jacket is a very useful thing if there is a
possibility of going into the water.
Next installments
- scarey big cats
(pitch-poling a Tornado 20' racing cat while on trapeze)
- small (under 30') monohulls
- lazy summer social cruising (40'+ monohulls)
And you, pseudo-captain? Do I take your lack of denial as tacit
acknowledgment that your little punt has only had sailor spit on it,
never sea spray?
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Pd
PeterD
> I base the claim baaa baa hee haw hee haw gobble neeeiigghh bleat bleat.
I see no mention there of the great Trans-Atlantic Crossing you were
boasting about some time ago.
Good grief you're a poor deluded fool.
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Pd
katysails
You don't count because you don't sail.
Your husband does the sailing and you
do the cooking and cleaning.
Bullroar....we share all three tasks equally, as all good couples
do....that's part of your problem with women, Neal....the only ones that
would put up with you would have an IQ of 60 and not know any better...
PeterD
> You don't count because you don't sail.
> Your husband does the sailing and you
> do the cooking and cleaning.
>
> Bullroar....we share all three tasks equally, as all good couples
> do....that's part of your problem with women, Neal....the only ones that
> would put up with you would have an IQ of 60
and they're woolly. Baaaa!
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Pd
Pony Express
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"katysails" <katy...@leapfroginet.com> wrote in message
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Donal
> You don't even have your own BOAT!!!!!??????
>
> Not fair, Mooron. Jerry has talked about not having a boat before and has
> discussed buying boats before. A sailor does not have to won a boat...he
> just has to sail.
I'm no longer sure that this is the same Jerry that was posting a year ago.
Regards
Donal
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"Donal" <do...@landofspam.com> wrote in message news:b7cmrb$1lg$3$830f...@news.demon.co.uk...
J. Amgine Neilson
done the homework, know how and where you plan to use the boat, and have
considered the resale option. With a good survey, go for it!
Amgine
Gerard Weatherby
wrote:
>he only ones that
>would put up with you would have an IQ of 60
Didn't know inflatables went that high.
ger...@catsmeow.org
S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org
Simple Simon
However, these were too slow for me. Therefore,
I learned board sailing. I can clobber any stupid
production catamaran any time there is wind of
30 to 50 knots. Cats are slow. Boards rock.
I've sailed any number of little sailing dinghies but
these are nought but toys. Your credentials are
OK but they don't impress me. I'd rather single
hand a cruising yacht in whatever conditions
Mother Nature decides to throw at me. When
I get to a destination I can always rig my board
and put all the pathetic catamarans to shame.
Care to do a little wave hopping. How about
a butterfly jybe? No? I thought as much.
"PeterD" <pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote in message news:1ftd9ij.1qpp54u1fng29sN%pd....@dsl.pipex.invalid...
Scotty
>
> Bullroar....we share all three tasks equally, as all good couples
> do....
When did they start that crap?
katysails
It's ludicrous when old duffs resort to teenage hargon to make an
impression.
Lady Sailor
> "Simple Simon" wrote:
> Hey, I've sailed Hoggies, Tostados and Pringles.
>
> However, I ate them before I got back to land. Therefore,
> I learned board sailing. I can clobber any stupid
> production catamaran any time there is wind of
> 30 to 50 knots. Cats are slow. Boards rock.
We had some serious wind a few weeks ago and while I was out running errands
I stopped by the little jetty overlooking Doheny to have a look at the
ocean. The sea was wild and I was astounded to see a guy on a sail board
just flying across the water. It was truly impressive. I noticed the park
rangers were on the beach watching him and the harbor patrol was just inside
the jetty in case they were needed but this guy seems to know what he was
doing. He'd make a run out to where the seas were really getting rough then
he'd make a precise turn and fly back in. It was a great show.
Lady B.
katysails
When did they start that crap?
I can come down there for a little educational visit with Lisa and tell ehr
all about it.....
Scotty
"katysails" <katy...@leapfroginet.com> wrote in message
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Gerard Weatherby
Lady Sailor
that Neal.
LB
Simple Simon
best of 'em and I can make a woman squirm.
"Lady Sailor" <sail...@aol.com> wrote in message news:80pma.2213$8e.511@fed1read07...
Lady Sailor
> "Simple Simon" wrote:
> I am a man of many talents. I can sail a board with the
> best of 'em and I can make a woman squirm.
No doubt they are squealing Eeeeewwww while they squirm away from you.
Lady B.
Simple Simon
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Capt. Mooron
"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
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> I am a man of many talents. I can sail a board with the
> best of 'em and I can make a woman squirm.
Ha Ha Ha Ha.... you couldn't keep a board up and the only way you make a
woman squirm is if you get her cornered and she's trying to get away from
you.
CM
PeterD
> Boards rock.
hah ahaahah aha haah aha hahha haa ha hoo hoooeee.
Oh my sides hurt. You've never been closer to a board than looking
through your binoculars at some fit babe slicing past.
At least it's vaguely conceivable, since sailboards are for old farts.
All the wrinkly old pricks stuck with their boards when we started kite
surfing. Sometimes we see them flopping around on their old boats while
we fly past pulling sick moves. One time I saw what looked like Saddam
Hussein's father hanging his saggy ass in the sea, trying to get his
sail up. Perhaps that was you Simpers.
Anyway, I don't sail for adrenaline kicks, I sail to relax, enjoy the
company of friends and forget that with six billion people in the world
there are bound to be a few defectives like you. Just be grateful we're
not like you, or we'd have had you put down a long time ago.
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Pd
PeterD
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:22:38 -0400, "Simple Simon"
> <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote:
>
> >How about
> >a butterfly jybe?
>
> Huh?
It's a lepidopter joke.
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Pd
PeterD
I believe it was towards the end of the Pleistocene, about the time most
of the Neanderthals died out. Of course, a few throwbacks survived
through to modern times, hidden under rocks.
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Pd
Bobsprit
> week-end sail is a perfect and a week's cruise is still do able.>>
Exactly...perfect for LIMITED sailing. In Neal's case he doesn't sail AT ALL.
Neal, I DARE YOU to post a single pic of YOUR boat under sail!
No photoshops please.
RB
Bobsprit
can range from a light air daysailor with no cabins to a transatlantic>>
and areas with Swift currents will pin down sailboats with shorter waterlines
in some cases. 27 is starter size, baby boat.
Capt RB
Scotty
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Scotty
"Gerard Weatherby" <ger...@catsmeow.org> wrote in message
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Capt. Mooron
abilities of her Captain. I have seen many smaller vessels do better than
larger vessels simply due to the experience of the Captain and crew. A
starter boat can be 127 feet long... or 7 feet long.
Swift currents can be negotiated...... lack of experience cannot. Optimum
vessel size is a fantasy. Optimum vessel design is what a smart sailor looks
for.
CM
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Bobsprit
vessel size is a fantasy. Optimum vessel design is what a smart sailor looks
for.>>
I agree, but given pilots of equal experience, the vessel with greater WL will
often have a better go.
That said, in what cases does the shorter WL excel?
Capt RB
Simple Simon
be done on a boat. This is how it works. One
sails along on a screaming close reach and then
bears off the wind using english on the board to
turn it downwind. As one turns one sheets out (it's
still called sheeting out on a board even though
there is no sheet) so the clew is downwind. One
then pushes the mast down so it is almost horizontal
to the water and allows the wind to catch the sail on
the leach so the wind gets under it and flops it over on
the other tack. One then reverses one's position
on the board by stepping around 180 degrees.
One then continues the jybe as the sail is lifted
so the wind catches the luff and raises the mast
and is sheeted in as the board continues on its
course on a close reach on the other tack.
It is a beautiful thing to see when done gracefully.
It depends on having plenty of speed so the board
remains on a plane when the sail is depowered through
the maneuver. It's called a butterfly jybe because the
sail looks like a butterfly wing flapping up and down
once.
I hope this helps.
"Oz1" <ozsa...@nopenotathotmail.com> wrote in message news:aokk9v0ig3o9221c5...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:22:38 -0400, "Simple Simon"
> <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote:
>
> >How about
> >a butterfly jybe?
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
> Oz1...of the 3 twins.
> I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
Capt. Mooron
"Bobsprit" <bobs...@aol.com> wrote in message
> That said, in what cases does the shorter WL excel?
In no way... but if the "design" you select has a shorter WL than another
vessel the following may apply:
Maneuverability in tight quarters.
Maintenance costs.
Suitability to the local marine conditions.
Viability to operate within your constraints.
The lines of the vessel...
CM
The_navigator©
simply carving the board by foot pressure. Also you've never sailed a
bic in 50kn. Even with a needle, about 35kn is the limit before you go
ballistic.
Cheers MC
Simple Simon wrote:
This is how it works. One
The_navigator©
a fine reach.
Cheers MC
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
katysails wrote:
> You don't count because you don't sail.
> Your husband does the sailing and you
> do the cooking and cleaning.
>
> Bullroar....we share all three tasks equally, as all good couples
> do....that's part of your problem with women, Neal....the only ones that
> would put up with you would have an IQ of 60 and not know any better...
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
Gerard Weatherby wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 15:20:20 -0400, "katysails" <katy...@leapfroginet.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>he only ones that
>>would put up with you would have an IQ of 60
>
> Didn't know inflatables went that high.
The_navigator©
been doing...
Cheers MC
The_navigator©
Bwhahhahahahahhaha BUSTED
Cheers MC
Simple Simon wrote:
> I base the claim on a variety of sailing conditions
> as well as 17 years of experience with a 27-footer.
>
> I have gunk-holed the west coast of Florida and
> almost the entire Bahamas chain. I have navigated
> the Tenn-Tom waterway. I have sailed several
> hundred miles out in the Gulf of Mexico while
> crossing it. I have sailed several hundred miles
> out in the Atlantic northeast of San Salvador
> in the Bahamas. I have navigated the sounds,
> bays and the Gulf in the Florida Keys. I
> have sailed in the Gulf Stream. I have navigated
> the Intracoastal Waterway from Mobile Bay
> to the Chesapeake Bay. I have sailed offshore
> in the Gulf Stream to Annapolis. I have sailed
> Tampa Bay. I have sailed Florida Bay. I have
> sailed inland lakes in Tennessee. I've done it
> all but a circumnavigation.
>
> While my 27-footer is competent and comfortable
> in all these places and conditions of wind that I
> have encountered from very light to gale force
> many larger and smaller boats cannot say the
> same. Larger boats with a few exceptions have
> prohibitive draft for gunk-holing even if they
> are better suited for deep water. Larger boats
> tend to get sailed less because they are cumbersome
> and expensive to operate.
>
> Smaller boats than 27 feet while good at gunkholing
> are not the best thing for open water and seaways
> where they tend to get knocked around and have a
> difficult time going to weather in heavy winds
> and seas.
>
> A 27-footer or thereabouts is just an excellent
> compromise for a larger variety of sailing and
> cruising than either larger or smaller vessels.
>
>
>
> "Capt. Mooron" <over...@mooron.ca> wrote in message news:FXdma.43171$cB3.2...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
>>"Simple Simon" <Pie...@Mincemeat.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>I'm convinced that a sailing yacht in the 27-foot size range
>>>is the ultimate in suitability to any and all sailing venues.
>>
>>That's ridiculous.... it appears to be a conclusion derived from a lack of
>>logic and experience. What basis do you have for this claim?
>>
>>CM
>>
>>
>
>
>
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
Capt. Mooron wrote:
> Stand like a Real Man.... anywhere you want to ... and still look good!
>
> "Scotty" <a*REAL*sai...@enter.net> wrote in message
>
>
>>how do you know which way to stand if there's two pointy ends?
>
>
>
J. Amgine Neilson
Oz1 wrote:
>
>>How about
>>a butterfly jybe?
>>
>
> Huh?
aka roll jibe, I think. You know, sop for anyone.
Amgine
Capt. Mooron
roof.
Friggin fractional rigged fin keelers and their accidental gybes! I don't
have accidental gybes! I sail a real boat! A Crab Crusher!.... not some toy
with the gauges mounted upside down!
CM
"The_navigator©" <farr...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:3E9B49AE...@excite.com...
The_navigator©
cockpit? Do your knees go backwards? Hmm that would look cool to a stork.
By the way, I point out that Ella has been the _only_ vessel shown here
actually sailing (at a good speed too). I don't think we even have a
picture of your vessel on the web site do we?
katysails
been doing...
I've known that for a couple of years now...comes in quite handy for
Scotty-control...
Bobsprit
actually sailing (at a good speed too). >>>
Try....
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/stargray.jpg
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/goghost.jpg
RB
The_navigator©
photoshop skills. You should have been a plastic surgeon the way you can
turn the ugly into plain!
Cheers MC
.
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
katysails
Noway! I just use it to get him to shut up....
katysails
actually sailing (at a good speed too).
WHAT!?!?! What do you call my spinnaker picture?!?!?! You think there's
wheels under that boat rolling along the bottom in the muck???? Go take a
look again, Mr Fast Farr....My boat's sailing!
SkitchNYC
you should take the tight coil out of the halyard, would take too long to undo
in an emergency.
In the second one, you're heeling way too much, the main is sheeted in too
tight, and the topping lift is on. Are those winches big enough?
The_navigator©
photoshopped it...
;-)
Cheers MC
katysails
It's not a video is it? For all I know you could be aground or even
photoshopped it...
;-)
BS....it's sailing...even a video can be faked....
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
Thomas Stewart
If you're pointy at both end, it better to sit than stand!! :^)
Your right about the 30 footers. Some of them. The designers today seem
to be all trying to make 30 ft like a 32 and 32's like 36's. This does
create high freeboards stubby hulls. If the freeboard is dropped, then
the cockpit combing is rise to keep it dry ( I have a 29 with such a
cockpit.) It works well for me but when I was racing and the rail meat
went high side they went out of the cockpit and up along side the
pilothouse. The narrow combing wasn't to comfortable. Made or a lot of
crew movement while tacking. However, when sailing solo it's great. One
step up or down while docking or leaving.
I purchased the 29 because the 32 that I wanted was more boat than I
could handle by my self.
It does depend an awful lot on the design of the boat, granted. Also on
how the boat is used. I hate to admit it, but also how young and active
you are.
I was making a generalization about the 27 ft.
Ole Thom
Thomas Stewart
I introduced my Daughter to Bob Perry at at North Sails and I said this
was the designer of the "Valiant" double ender. Bob's reply was , " A
point on each end is great if you're going to sail backwards, if not all
you do is give up space." Which shocked me. I said how come you built
the "Baba" the same way. His reply was, "I'm a designer. What ever the
customer wants is what he'll get and to the best of my ability."
Ole Thom
Thomas Stewart
That "Class" is Hoagies and I'm not to sure they're to well know
outside of the Keystone area. I've Handled a few of them myself and got
the "Wind-up"
Ole Thom
Thomas Stewart
Please look up the size of Blondy Hasler's boat, the "Jester" and read
about some of his sailing adventures.
Ole Thom
The_navigator©
Cheers MC
Thomas Stewart
Cases where short WL excel.
Single handing, sailing in tight conditions, Anchoring, Leaving anchor.
setting sail, Reefing, storing sail, docking, maintenance, moorage cost,
purchase cost ( Not counting derelict purchase) cost of bottom paint,
time and effort to paint, cost of rigging, cost of sails, ease of
maintenance of sails and hull. sailing inside harbor to slip---- these
are some of the advantages off a smaller boat (WL) sure could think of
more like anchor size, size of rode. size and cost of docking lines.
Spinnaker Pole
I'm not comparing the boats but a smaller boat does have it's own
advantages
Ole Thom
PeterD
> I doubt that you would pass a powered up windsurfer and certainly not on
> a fine reach.
I certainly wouldn't. I don't kite surf, I was merely indulging in a
flight of fancy, Crapn Kneel stylee. My adrenaline sports are more
aerial (skydiving & hang gliding with a yen to try paragliding).
As I've said, for me sailing is about relaxing.
> PeterD wrote:
>
> > All the wrinkly old pricks stuck with their boards when we started kite
> > surfing. Sometimes we see them flopping around on their old boats while
> > we fly past pulling sick moves. One time I saw what looked like Saddam
> > Hussein's father hanging his saggy ass in the sea, trying to get his
> > sail up. Perhaps that was you Simpers.
--
Pd
katysails
My son's a film editor for New Line...but I wouldn't stoop to Nealtactics...
Bobsprit
tight, and the topping lift is on. Are those winches big enough?>>>
It's called a "puff." Look at the water. That's why I took the pic. We often
left the topping lift on and it's generally slack.
No, the P30's winches are a bit small for smaller folk and the girls often
aboard.
RB
Bobsprit
you should take the tight coil out of the halyard, would take too long to undo
in an emergency.>>>
Actually, given the conditions...we should be reefed, but that's another story.
RB
Bobsprit
advantages>>
Agreed.
RB
Bobsprit
"puff"?>>
Is that me at the wheel??? Should I have tossed the camera overboard and dove
for the mainsheet???
Bwahahahahahaaha!!!
Oh, Ozzy! Wahahaha!
RB
SkitchNYC
Baloney. There is no puff there, and your ensign shows you are not beating.
No reason to have the main sheeted in so tight. Also, the topping lift is not
slack. You were doing the most lubberly of newbie things: sheeting in tight
just to heel and feel like you are going fast. BTW, you should take all that
plastic crap off your shrouds. It just promotes corrosion.
Bobsprit
No reason to have the main sheeted in so tight.>>
That's above 30 degrees of heel and the water is fairly flat, but it's not a
PUFF?
Hmmmmm...must be a leak somewhere!!!
Bwahahahahaaha!
RB
Bobsprit
just to heel and feel like you are going fast. >>
See that guy sailing the boat? Is that me? I'm at the bow, where it's very
tough to trim the sails or alter course!
Dummy!
Bwahahahaaha!
RB