Need side stays for San Juan

[hitman]

I'm a newbie with a 1976 21' San Juan and both short side stays just broke
within a week.
They're about 12'6" long with RH thread at the turnbuckle.
For such an old boat is this a hard to get item?
Should I just try to find a make-do replacement?
I called West Marine and they say their rigging shop can make them up. Off the
top of their head, maybe $500 for complete rigging, $250 for just stays.
I found aircraft cable of the right size but had LH thread. They were only $6
for two, a long way from $250.
Any suggestions/help?

Thanks

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[Capt. Bob]

Don't know where you're posting from, but I would imagine is there's a WM in
the area, there's also a rigging shop (look in the yellow pages). Also, some
of the bigger yards will have this capability.

The "side stays" are shrouds, and $250 (US?) sounds pretty high. I had a
3/16 316 SS headstay, about 38 feet long with swaged fittings made up for
less than $100 US about 2-1/2 years ago. You should be able to get by for
$100 to $150 for BOTH.

Aircraft cable is not the same as that used for standing rigging, though I
understand some have used it successfully on smaller boats. Brion Toss has a
very good web site and you can probably get some very good info/ advice
there. The URL is: http://www.briantoss.com/

Good luck and happy holidays,

Bob

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[paul1martin]

If you broke two shrouds in a week you'll have to rerig everything.
Since yhou have a boat I assume there most be someplace nearby to sail
it. Even if you have to drive 100 miles you can find a proper rigging
shop that should be able to give you simple directions on their
particular 'eye-to-eye' measurements necessary to make up all your
stays and shrouds.
Another way to do it is to get a rough measurement on the total
footage of wire you will need and order it through a marine chandlery.
Then purchase the 'Sta-Loc' fittings necessary to fit the wire and do
the rigging yourself.
If you're not comfortable doing it yourself, get an estimate for a
professional rigger and have him install it. Might cost a little more
buy you'll be able to count on the mast staying up. Even so, the price
West Marine quoted you is too high.

Say Capt. Bob, that's a pretty small small diameter headstay for being
38 feet long. What boat is it off of?

In article <ZSzW5.2887$T43.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

"Capt. Bob" <Capt...@AdventuresInSailing.com> wrote:
> Don't know where you're posting from, but I would imagine is there's
a WM in
> the area, there's also a rigging shop (look in the yellow pages).
Also, some
> of the bigger yards will have this capability.
>
> The "side stays" are shrouds, and $250 (US?) sounds pretty high. I
had a
> 3/16 316 SS headstay, about 38 feet long with swaged fittings made up

warm seas and dry decks to ya,
pm
From Mark Twain:
"Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed
by the things you did not do than by the things you did do.

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Before you buy.

[Capt. Bob]

Paul asked: Say Capt. Bob, that's a pretty small diameter headstay for being

38 feet long. What boat is it off of?

And I sheepishly replied: an '83 Hunter 27. See boys and girls, _that's_ why
you spend more $$$ to get a heavier boat!!

Trying to stay warm in Florida,

[Douglas S. King]

hitman wrote:

> I'm a newbie with a 1976 21' San Juan and both short side stays just broke
> within a week.

Sounds like the boat would benefit from rerigging and/or some tuning.

>
> They're about 12'6" long with RH thread at the turnbuckle.
> For such an old boat is this a hard to get item?

No, small boat rigging is quite standardized.

>
> Should I just try to find a make-do replacement?

It depends very much on your goals, your budget, and your personal style. You can
use galvanized wire from the hardware store with twisted coathanger loops and
that will hold the mast up (for a while). Set you back maybe $4.75 tops, or free
if you're a good scrounger.

If you want to set your boat up to sail the way it was designed to, and don't
want to experience broken rigging on a regular basis, then I'd recommend spending
quite a bit more and getting the right rigging. In fact I don't think the SJ-21
had toggles on the shrouds as built, and they are definitely worth adding.

>
> I called West Marine and they say their rigging shop can make them up. Off the
> top of their head, maybe $500 for complete rigging, $250 for just stays.

What?!?!? You must have either talked to the wrong guy, or else gave them the
wrong specs. That's 'way too much! Try Layline and tell them specifically that
you have a San Juan 21 and they will know exactly what you need.
800-550-5468
http://www.layline.com/

>
> I found aircraft cable of the right size but had LH thread. They were only $6
> for two, a long way from $250.

Aircraft cable (Control cable?) is not the same stuff. Standing rigging
(differentiated from "running rigging") does not have to flex or run through
pulleys, but it does have to resist corrosion and withstand *very* high dynamic
loads. If you're not going to use the right stuff, then you might as well use
something cheaper than aircraft cable.

>
> Any suggestions/help?
>

You can talk to San Juan 21 owners and get more specific info about setting up
your rig properly and undoubtedly they can steer you toward a rigging shop that
has done SJ-21 shrouds.

http://www.cadvision.com/nollind/fleet28/index2.html

http://www.poncacitynews.com./sanjuan21/

I also think that checking Brion Tosses site is a good idea, and you may want to
post your question again on the forum there.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King
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