Okay, for the records and to inform all of you, Neal Warren aka Greg Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
Barbara loves Marty
Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
I know that now for certain from a very official source.
Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
postings, his defamation, his lies,
his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
believe postings done by others
that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
he is Cecil Warren are not true.
I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
nevertheless a very creepy person.
Google didn't remove anything, Neal, your photo, all data and all
postings were and are still there.
I could ignore that I know from an official source that you are indeed
NOT Cecil Warren to harm your
reputation but I don't because truth matters to me more than anything.
I do this out of my own free decision.
Google and nobody else has contacted me on you.
I removed the SharkinFlorida Blogspot and will remove today/tomorrow
or the day after tomorrow, depending
of my time, the postings of the last days in which I suspected you to
be Cecil Warren.
However, I ask you again to leave me alone and stop forging my photos
and my postings. I really do not understand what you want from me. My
heart belongs to the original Marty Rathbun and nothing will ever
change this. I told you this over and over again.
You want a young, intellient and attractive wife and from your many
outrageous defamatory posting to judge, I am anything but that. You
posted the most horrible lies about my character, looks, age,
appearance, whereabouts since Garry Scaff and his many sock puppets.
Your postings were right out of the deepest gutter.
How can you expect me to think that a person doing all of that is not
a sexual offender?
You might be lonely, but many people are. You either have to get used
to it or you have to marry.
You want a good looking, young, attractive, and special wife? Then get
one.
Nicole Smith married a man many decades her senior and why shouldn't
you.
But it is not me.
A smart man accepts when a woman is not available and tries to become
her brother instead of a love
interest.
Feel free to use this posting on your Blog, make it available to
Charles Novin in case he should suspect you
now of being Cecil Warren and use it as broadly as you wish whenever
somebody posts that you are
Cecil Warren.
And Neal Warren aka Greg Hall who is not Cecil Warren: Leave me be!
Post about anything else but me.
(I saw again 4 new postings by you just on me.) I don't want this and
stay out of my signature line.
Barbara Schwarz
miguel
What's your story? I'm trying to figure you out.
Gregory Hall
news:8f135b8a-cf29-4c9d...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> Okay, for the records and to inform all of you, Neal Warren aka Greg
> Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
> I know that now for certain from a very official source.
I'm glad, mostly for your sake because I really do worry about you
sometimes, that you got whatever information you got and are satisfied not
to believe my anonymous stalker. The anonymous stalker really has only goal
which goal is to associate my name(s) with a sex offender so they are
associated together when Googled. This is his/her sick idea of revenge for
some transgression real or imagined. I was distressed to see you fall for it
so easily but I feel better that you researched it and learned the truth to
your own satisfaction.
> Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
> postings, his defamation, his lies,
> his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
> believe postings done by others
> that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
> like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
> he is Cecil Warren are not true.
I do act pretty bad sometimes but, in spite of what it appears, I rarely
have bad intentions. I just enjoy the give and take and the games that can
be played on Usenet. Sometimes I think everybody will understand this but,
alas, most people don't seem to. Most people take everything way too
seriously. For me Usenet is an escape from reality and a virtual game using
words instead of moving pictures and virtual weapons like guns, swords, hand
grenades, Mech Warriors, etc.
I just happen to very good at word play and which words and tone to use to
give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes. Tigger is
right and Claire and Kat. I do manipulate people with words on the screen.
But, I see nothing wrong with it. I use the potential of the media and if
people are too unimaginative or thin-skinned to keep up then so be it.
> I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
> nevertheless a very creepy person.
I am one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life. Really. But, you
can't be blamed for thinking otherwise considering the games I play on
Usenet. To me Usenet should never be considered real life. One of these days
perhaps I will meet my female counterpart in somebody who views Usenet as a
jousting field and who can play at my level.
I wonder about you, Barbara. I still think, from time to time, that you are
a master troll who can manipulate public perception very well, yourself.
But, then other times I see somebody just a little too consistent and
sincere for that. But, you do have a talent for pushing people's buttons
whether you know it or not. Sometimes I think this can't be a coincidence
but intentional. That's one of the reasons I'm drawn to you. I think you
have the ability to play with the best of them but yours is probably more of
a latent inate ability than anything developed purposefully.
Remember when Microsoft first brought out the Internet Explorer browser
their slogan was, "Where do you want to go today?" I think a good slogan
for a news client is, "Who do you want to be today? Usenet is a stage where
actors can ply their trade, in my opinion. This is directly at odds to what
most people think but why should I engage in their boring vision of it when
the levels go way beyond their limited understanding?
> Google didn't remove anything, Neal, your photo, all data and all
> postings were and are still there.
> I could ignore that I know from an official source that you are indeed
> NOT Cecil Warren to harm your
> reputation but I don't because truth matters to me more than anything.
> I do this out of my own free decision.
> Google and nobody else has contacted me on you.
Thank you. I know you have good in your heart.
> I removed the SharkinFlorida Blogspot and will remove today/tomorrow
> or the day after tomorrow, depending
> of my time, the postings of the last days in which I suspected you to
> be Cecil Warren.
Don't worry about the postings. You've got better things to do with your
time and if you remove them some might think there is a cover-up of sorts
going on. No harm done, Barbara.
Oh, I just deleted the Paranoid Personality Disorder essay from my BlogSpot
as a gesture in kind. Perhaps you will think a little more kindly towards me
for that.
> However, I ask you again to leave me alone and stop forging my photos
> and my postings. I really do not understand what you want from me. My
> heart belongs to the original Marty Rathbun and nothing will ever
> change this. I told you this over and over again.
What I want from you is to read your posts and reply to some of them that
interest me and to tease you if I feel like it and to get you all riled up
at times because you don't agree with something or anything I post. I want
to show there is another side to Usenet than just strict and somewhat dull
reality. I want to expand your understanding of burlesque and parody. I want
to help you sometimes when people attack you for real. I want to make you
laugh. I want to make you cry. I want to make you blush and I want to make
you want to slap me. You know, all things anybody would feel when they are
more alive than dead. I know your heart goes to Marty and I would never try
to wrench it away. The only way I would want it is if you gave it freely. So
what are you worried about? I certainly can't pry your heart away from the
one to whom you have given it. You should be flattered if somebody likes
you - not offended and insulted.
> You want a young, intellient and attractive wife and from your many
> outrageous defamatory posting to judge, I am anything but that. You
> posted the most horrible lies about my character, looks, age,
> appearance, whereabouts since Garry Scaff and his many sock puppets.
> Your postings were right out of the deepest gutter.
I don't want a wife at all. I want a helpmate or better yet a sparing
partner. To spar with somebody with words long distance is great fun. That
way the mind to mind play is the only reality while the physical aspects can
be anything imaginable. It's like living a dream while awake. Do you
understand this even a little?
The things I tease you about sound horrible to you because you take them
literally. They aren't meant literally. They are meant to provoke a
reaction. So learn from these teasings and don't over react to them. Laugh
them off instead. Take them less seriously. Would I even bother with you if
I really believed, myself, all the awful things I posted about you? But, try
to look at it this way. You are words on the screen. Photos sometimes. But
you aren't real to me. I would have to meet you in person for you to be real
and that would spoil everything. It would ruin the game because then I would
have to treat you like a real person. No more games then. See what I mean?
>
> How can you expect me to think that a person doing all of that is not
> a sexual offender?
One believes what he or she will.
> You might be lonely, but many people are. You either have to get used
> to it or you have to marry.
> You want a good looking, young, attractive, and special wife? Then get
> one.
> Nicole Smith married a man many decades her senior and why shouldn't
> you.
> But it is not me.
I know that, Barbara. And I am not lonely. I love the life I live. Wouldn't
have it any other way. I don't want you for a wife. I am pleased to have you
as words on a screen. I like to read your posts and your way of writing. I
like the way you act like a spoiled brat sometimes. Just continue to be the
way you are and play along a little once in a while. You might find there is
a diminsion you've missed to Usenet.
> A smart man accepts when a woman is not available and tries to become
> her brother instead of a love
> interest.
I have accepted quite some time ago that you are not available so just
ignore my cyber advances. They are a game so play the game a little if you
want or just ignore them.
> Feel free to use this posting on your Blog, make it available to
> Charles Novin in case he should suspect you
> now of being Cecil Warren and use it as broadly as you wish whenever
> somebody posts that you are
> Cecil Warren.
Thanks, but I don't think that will be necessary. If you knew more about me
you would realize they mean nothing to me. No harm can come of them. My
anger at you was all a big show. Call me "Falcon" (Balloon Boy). See,
Barbara, the show must go on. And the show is not just you and me but
everybody who views the show. If you Google the old Phil Hendrie Show you
can learn all about theater of the mind. I even post using some of the Phil
Hendrie Show character names.
> And Neal Warren aka Greg Hall who is not Cecil Warren: Leave me be!
> Post about anything else but me.
> (I saw again 4 new postings by you just on me.) I don't want this and
> stay out of my signature line.
>
> Barbara Schwarz
>
Say Please. :-)
Your friend,
Gregory Hall
Rev. Susie the Floozie
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
The tenth most boring soap opera ever shifts into LOW gear as our two
battling geriatric lovebirds effect a bodice-ripping, overblown
reconciliation!
> > Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
> > postings, his defamation, his lies,
> > his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention
Good for you. As long as you've tainted him, TAINT ON! Hell, you can't
JUST STOP being THAT CRAZY.
The HE sez:
> I just happen to very good at word play and which words and tone to use to
> give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes.
Oh, yeah, case in frickin' POINT... For someone who preens about how
he's "very good at word play," he missed something big here. A verb.
What could he have left out? "I just happen to SUCK very good at word
play"? "I just happen to FELCH DOGS very good at word play"? "I just
happen to SLAUGHTER THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE very good at word play"? Any
of those are likely choices.
When you're trying to convince someone that you handle words like
Mephistopheles does card tricks, don't drop the deck. That's about as
stupid as misspelling "intelligent"...
> > You want a young, intellient and attractive wife and from your many
> > outrageous defamatory posting to judge, I am anything but that.
WHOA, Babs!! Spoke too soon!!! Then Greggy flaps his piehole...
> I don't want a wife at all. I want a helpmate or better yet a sparing
> partner.
A "sparing partner"? "SPARING"??? *What the fuck did he mean to write
here?* I thought. *A "sharing partner"? A "spearing partner"? A
"staring partner"?*
> To spar with somebody with words long distance is great fun.
NO! He was trying to write "sparring"!!!
Let's hope this fun never stops...! We can only wait until their next
mutual psychotic break happens and more of the same semi-literate
hilarity ensues, here on "Another Turd"...
[Crappy organ music out]
Tigger
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8f135b8a-cf29-4c9d...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
LOL......I'll grant you one thing, Gweggie,
you are a master manipulator....Why you almost....repeat....ALMOST had
me snookered with that post.
Tigger
Barbara loves Marty
>
> - Show quoted text -
A very long and complicated story. However, that story with Neal is
short.
He behaved like a predator, made me think that he is a certain sex
offender,
then I got official information that he is not the sex offender.
Instead of letting that follow Neal around for the rest of his days, I
decided to put the records straight. Because unlike what Neal (Greg)
and others posted, I am absolutely truthful.
Nobody made me do it. And I didn't do it out of fear. I did it because
I do not like false information not even of people who defame and
stalk me.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
>
> - Show quoted text -
That post of his was serious, Shirely but it might not last long.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
>
> > Okay, for the records and to inform all of you, Neal Warren aka Greg
> > Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
> > I know that now for certain from a very official source.
>
> I'm glad, mostly for your sake because I really do worry about you
> sometimes, that you got whatever information you got and are satisfied not
> to believe my anonymous stalker.
I did not believe the anonymous postings, Neal, before you sexually
harassed me. Your postings made me believe that they might be right.
Yes, I checked up on you and you are in the clear as far as Cecil
Warren is concerned. But even if you are not him, the postings that
you did on me, my character, my ethics, my appearance, etc. were so
low that they could compete with Garry Scarff's harassment of me. And
that means something.
A security guard in the LDS library in Salt lake City saw some of
Scarff's postings against me and he was shocked beyong belief. He
would have been that too with your postings against me.
> The anonymous stalker really has only goal
> which goal is to associate my name(s) with a sex offender so they are
> associated together when Googled. This is his/her sick idea of revenge for
> some transgression real or imagined.
Yes, there is something putting up Anonymous postings on you. It is
not me and I don't know who it is. You apparently have this enemy
already before you ever
heard of me. But you are making your enemies. We were friends before
you showed me how cheap and harassing you can be.
>I was distressed to see you fall for it
> so easily but I feel better that you researched it and learned the truth to
> your own satisfaction.
That anonymous poster did not make me fall for it. Your postings made
me think that you could be Cecil Warren. Yes, I know now for sure from
governmental place that you are not Cecil Warren but it doesn't undo
your horrible postings against me. I just defended myself from you. I
never started any fight with you.
>
> > Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
> > postings, his defamation, his lies,
> > his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
> > believe postings done by others
> > that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
> > like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
> > he is Cecil Warren are not true.
>
> I do act pretty bad sometimes but, in spite of what it appears, I rarely
> have bad intentions.
Could have fooled me...
> I just enjoy the give and take and the games that can
> be played on Usenet. Sometimes I think everybody will understand this but,
> alas, most people don't seem to.
When your posting coninced me more and more that you are Cecil Warren
(which you are not) it didn't made you feel good. If you post doctored
pics, stalk me around, post about my body parts, defame Marty,
constantly put a provoking subject line on ARS to make me respond, I
do not feel good either.
Some women say all men are jerks. But a few know to behave and you are
not one of them. You might think it is manly but we women reject this
kind of behavior very much.
>Most people take everything way too
> seriously. For me Usenet is an escape from reality and a virtual game using
> words instead of moving pictures and virtual weapons like guns, swords, hand
> grenades, Mech Warriors, etc.
The problem is only that the posters on usenet are living people. You
hated it when I thought you are Cecil Warren. I hate when you try to
provoke me by posting false or doctored or forged stuff. I hate
falsehoods about me about anything and anybody. I even corrected the
falsehood about you being Cecil Warren despite you were so mean to
me.
I do have a great sense of humor but it should not hurt anybody or be
cheap.
And by posting that women have no equal rights, more than half of the
planet will thinks that you are want to push the planet backwards
instead of forwards.
>
> I just happen to very good at word play and which words and tone to use to
> give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes. Tigger is
> right and Claire and Kat.
I noticed this in your forgeries of them but your forgeries of me were
not good. Some people mixed your postings up with theirs but all knew
that the postings that you made in my name where not by me...
You posted that I would post like a 2 year old, but that is rather
what you displayed. In all my years on usenet, I never forged one
person, not even Garry Scarff. I consider it a violation of laws.
>I do manipulate people with words on the screen.
> But, I see nothing wrong with it. I use the potential of the media and if
> people are too unimaginative or thin-skinned to keep up then so be it.
I don't manipulate anybody. I am as open as I get. People warned me of
you, Shirley, Kat, Claire and others. I didn't listen to them and turn
on you.
I had it when YOU stepped over the line. When you did it one, we had a
big argument. Then I felt sorry for you as the others start to beat
you up even more. But then you provoked me again, and again, and
again. Your postings became cheaper and more hostile.
You are right with one thing: women are indeed no men (but it does not
mean that they have not the same rights or are not as smart). What you
can say to your buddy, you may not say to a lady.
>
> > I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
> > nevertheless a very creepy person.
>
> I am one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life. Really. But, you
> can't be blamed for thinking otherwise considering the games I play on
> Usenet. To me Usenet should never be considered real life. One of these days
> perhaps I will meet my female counterpart in somebody who views Usenet as a
> jousting field and who can play at my level.
Then your helpmate might be a man and not a woman, Neal. Remember that
vibrator posting that you made to me? What lady would not be deeply
insulted by that?
Perhaps I should tell you that I am not a woman but a lady.
>
> I wonder about you, Barbara. I still think, from time to time, that you are
> a master troll who can manipulate public perception very well, yourself.
You are wrong. I am pure. What you see is what you get. I am like this
posting.
> But, then other times I see somebody just a little too consistent and
> sincere for that.
Understand Neal that if somebody wants to joke around with me, the
jokes must be on a higher level. Vibrators, women bashing, big feet,
alleged old age doesn't cut it for me. I make fun all the time. I am
the funniest person in my family and in the neighborhood. I could make
a living of being a stand up comedian. But my jokes are not primitive
and not mean.
>But, you do have a talent for pushing people's buttons
> whether you know it or not. Sometimes I think this can't be a coincidence
> but intentional. That's one of the reasons I'm drawn to you. I think you
> have the ability to play with the best of them but yours is probably more of
> a latent inate ability than anything developed purposefully.
I don't want to push your or anybody's buttons. In my world, all
people, including Shirely should be happy. It is just that at a
certain point of attacks (and I never start them) my patience is over
and I open the flood gates.
>
> Remember when Microsoft first brought out the Internet Explorer browser
> their slogan was, "Where do you want to go today?" I think a good slogan
> for a news client is, "Who do you want to be today? Usenet is a stage where
> actors can ply their trade, in my opinion. This is directly at odds to what
> most people think but why should I engage in their boring vision of it when
> the levels go way beyond their limited understanding?
There is just one other thing: people read it and think it is true. So
whatever you posted about me or others, including the forgeries, some
people think it is true. I rarely google my name, including the Blogs.
But recently I was surprised how many people truly believe the crap
that was posted by some defamers on usenet.
You posted that I lied. But in fact, I can't live without truth. Lies
to suffocate me. Any falsehoods, any lies... I don't like them. L. Ron
Hubbard says that lies are THE LOWEST FORM of human creation. And I
don't like anything low.
>
> > Google didn't remove anything, Neal, your photo, all data and all
> > postings were and are still there.
> > I could ignore that I know from an official source that you are indeed
> > NOT Cecil Warren to harm your
> > reputation but I don't because truth matters to me more than anything.
> > I do this out of my own free decision.
> > Google and nobody else has contacted me on you.
>
> Thank you. I know you have good in your heart.
>
> > I removed the SharkinFlorida Blogspot and will remove today/tomorrow
> > or the day after tomorrow, depending
> > of my time, the postings of the last days in which I suspected you to
> > be Cecil Warren.
>
> Don't worry about the postings. You've got better things to do with your
> time and if you remove them some might think there is a cover-up of sorts
> going on. No harm done, Barbara.
I will remove them tomorrow. It is late today and I'm tired.
>
> Oh, I just deleted the Paranoid Personality Disorder essay from my BlogSpot
> as a gesture in kind. Perhaps you will think a little more kindly towards me
> for that.
That was a real nasty one.
>
> > However, I ask you again to leave me alone and stop forging my photos
> > and my postings. I really do not understand what you want from me. My
> > heart belongs to the original Marty Rathbun and nothing will ever
> > change this. I told you this over and over again.
>
> What I want from you is to read your posts and reply to some of them that
> interest me and to tease you if I feel like it and to get you all riled up
> at times because you don't agree with something or anything I post.
I don't understand this posting. I should reply to my own postings?
Why that?
If you teasing is low, Neal, than I will either again in your face or
the other alternative is that I will leave Usenet because why should I
allow others to insult me. It often seems to me that you are stuck in
highschool and constantly pull at the braids of the girls but then
don't be surprised that they do not like you.
>I want
> to show there is another side to Usenet than just strict and somewhat dull
> reality.
After these bad flame wars, some strict and dull reality would be kind
of nice.
>I want to expand your understanding of burlesque and parody.
It must be on a high tonelevel otherwise I don't take that train.
>I want
> to help you sometimes when people attack you for real.
Neal, understand that I really do not need defense. Even if the entire
world beats me up, I will be always standing. I am so much stronger in
my personality than anyone here thinks.
And how can you help me by attacking me yourself? The posting of the
people who attack me where most of the time more harmless than
yours.
> I want to make you
> laugh.
On a high level.
>I want to make you cry.
Why that?
>I want to make you blush
By posting about vibrators? That doesn't make me blush, it makes me
feel as somebody poured dirt over me. No good feeling.
>and I want to make
> you want to slap me.
That is what I felt most of the time. You really succeeded here.
> You know, all things anybody would feel when they are
> more alive than dead. I know your heart goes to Marty and I would never try
> to wrench it away.
You could have fooled me. Your postings read often as if they had
exactly this in mind.
>The only way I would want it is if you gave it freely. So
> what are you worried about?
I am not worried about a thing, Neal. After I returned from my
vacation this year to the Mississippi, I felt actually good. I was
back home again for a couple days and did not post because I feel that
being on usenet means being lowered on a lower level. It does not feel
good. Whatever the people post here about me (including you) is not me
and I am getting real bored playing again in this mud bath.
>I certainly can't pry your heart away from the
> one to whom you have given it. You should be flattered if somebody likes
> you - not offended and insulted.
I was loved by people who didn't respect me, Greg. Love without
respect does hurt. I have no shortage of admirer. I stay friends with
those who treat me with respect. And my heart will be always belong to
the original Marty.
>
> > You want a young, intellient and attractive wife and from your many
> > outrageous defamatory posting to judge, I am anything but that. You
> > posted the most horrible lies about my character, looks, age,
> > appearance, whereabouts since Garry Scaff and his many sock puppets.
> > Your postings were right out of the deepest gutter.
>
> I don't want a wife at all. I want a helpmate or better yet a sparing
> partner. To spar with somebody with words long distance is great fun. That
> way the mind to mind play is the only reality while the physical aspects can
> be anything imaginable. It's like living a dream while awake. Do you
> understand this even a little?
Not really because you go through a great deal of effort to check out
my physical aspects. You figured out that the camera with which my
summer 2009 photos were shot is new. But you wrongfully posted that
these photos are old and you go in each detail of my body and post
that my feet are large, my hair is dyed, my face, old, etc. and
nothing of it is true. That is not teasing, it is insulting and you
can't get away with saying that this is not physical....
There are different kind of women on this planet. I am a very feminine
one. Not feminist but feminine. I look young and fit because I work at
it to be that way. It is not a coincident.
>
> The things I tease you about sound horrible to you because you take them
> literally. They aren't meant literally. They are meant to provoke a
> reaction. So learn from these teasings and don't over react to them. Laugh
> them off instead. Take them less seriously.
You didn't laugh these posting off that I posted when you provoked me
that much that I wanted to slap you. You didn't laugh when I posted
that you could be Cecil Warren.
Florida is full with Scientologists. Perhaps you find somebody who can
tell you what humor high on the tonescale is. Because that is the
humor I laugh about.
>Would I even bother with you if
> I really believed, myself, all the awful things I posted about you?
Being a weirdo?
>But, try
> to look at it this way. You are words on the screen. Photos sometimes. But
> you aren't real to me.
That means that if a person doesn't want to be defamed and abused, she
rather should leave Usenet and rather hang out with a nice bunch of
Mormons in her town who do not do such things.
> I would have to meet you in person for you to be real
> and that would spoil everything. It would ruin the game because then I would
> have to treat you like a real person. No more games then. See what I mean?
Yes, you are mentally stuck in highschool.
>
>
>
> > How can you expect me to think that a person doing all of that is not
> > a sexual offender?
>
> One believes what he or she will.
>
> > You might be lonely, but many people are. You either have to get used
> > to it or you have to marry.
> > You want a good looking, young, attractive, and special wife? Then get
> > one.
> > Nicole Smith married a man many decades her senior and why shouldn't
> > you.
> > But it is not me.
>
> I know that, Barbara. And I am not lonely. I love the life I live. Wouldn't
> have it any other way. I don't want you for a wife. I am pleased to have you
> as words on a screen. I like to read your posts and your way of writing. I
> like the way you act like a spoiled brat sometimes. Just continue to be the
> way you are and play along a little once in a while. You might find there is
> a diminsion you've missed to Usenet.
I am considering to leave Usenet for good, Neal. And you might be just
the last car rolling down that way for me...
>
> > A smart man accepts when a woman is not available and tries to become
> > her brother instead of a love
> > interest.
>
> I have accepted quite some time ago that you are not available so just
> ignore my cyber advances. They are a game so play the game a little if you
> want or just ignore them.
Why would you play a game like that? When somebody posts all these
love stories, I rather worry about him getting stuck on me when he
should be with somebody else.
>
> > Feel free to use this posting on your Blog, make it available to
> > Charles Novin in case he should suspect you
> > now of being Cecil Warren and use it as broadly as you wish whenever
> > somebody posts that you are
> > Cecil Warren.
>
> Thanks, but I don't think that will be necessary. If you knew more about me
> you would realize they mean nothing to me. No harm can come of them. My
> anger at you was all a big show.
You were very angry and retaliated badly.
>Call me "Falcon" (Balloon Boy). See,
> Barbara, the show must go on. And the show is not just you and me but
> everybody who views the show. If you Google the old Phil Hendrie Show you
> can learn all about theater of the mind. I even post using some of the Phil
> Hendrie Show character names.
It's about real people, Greg. And a real lady, who wants to be treated
with respect.
>
> > And Neal Warren aka Greg Hall who is not Cecil Warren: Leave me be!
> > Post about anything else but me.
> > (I saw again 4 new postings by you just on me.) I don't want this and
> > stay out of my signature line.
>
> > Barbara Schwarz
>
> Say Please. :-)
What for?
>
> Your friend,
> Gregory Hall
In the next few days, I take the Cecil postings down. Your horrible
stuff that you posted about me will look even meaner without any Cecil
in it.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
<revsusiethefloo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 20, 8:08 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
>
> > "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The
Not even remotely love birds. I have not forgotten how he (or you)
defamed and hurt me.
But I have not evidence from an official place, he is not Cecil Warren
and that's why I have to post this as my conscience demands it from
me.
If I would know for certain that you are not Cecil Warren, I would
post it too.
I would treat you just like Greg.
But your organ music was pretty good at the end of the posting.
Barbara Schwarz
Douche Bagelow
Pisces
I also demand you kidnap the leader of Libya and 43 red heads.
Dont ask why.
Douche Bagelow
I'll let you have this thread, if you share some dirty pictures of the
red heads.
Giles
Where is that lil' rascal, anyway?
CHUCKkey
and it's still less about bullshit than it was when it started.
Eldon
It should serve as an inspiration to pranksters everywhere around the
planet, and a reminder that Scientology can't ultimately do shit
except drive people nutz.
Voltaire's
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:8f135b8a-cf29-4c9d...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> But, I see nothing wrong with it. I use the potential of the media and if
> people are too unimaginative or thin-skinned to keep up then so be it.
>
> >
I've never claimed that you manipulate people. I wouldn't say that at
all. I would say that you ~try~ to manipulate people, that it appears
that you ~think~ you manipulate people...but ultimately they see right
through you.
So saying I'm right about this thing I never said doesn't cut any
ice.
Claire
"The Great One"
"Meat Plow" <me...@petitmorte.net> wrote in message news:37jo8o.c...@news.alt.net...
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:35:45 -0700 (PDT), "Rev. Susie the Floozie"
> <revsusiet...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >On Oct 20, 8:08?pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> >> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >The tenth most boring soap opera ever shifts into LOW gear as our two
> >battling geriatric lovebirds effect a bodice-ripping, overblown
> >reconciliation!
>
> I think the record is and has been crystal clear that I'm "Morbidly Obese."
IAWTP !!
--
John C.
CHUCKkey
Giles
> Don't even try to stop it!
Set the controls for the heart of the sun.
CHUCKkey
the psychic tv version actually out-does pink floyd's version.
http://www.last.fm/music/Psychic+TV/_/Set+the+Controls+for+the+Heart+of+the+Sun
Giles
HERESY!
Eldon
Oh, OK since you put it that way.
Gregory Hall
On Oct 20, 7:08 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> "Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:8f135b8a-cf29-4c9d...@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Okay, for the records and to inform all of you, Neal Warren aka Greg
> > Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
> > I know that now for certain from a very official source.
>
> I'm glad, mostly for your sake because I really do worry about you
> sometimes, that you got whatever information you got and are satisfied not
> to believe my anonymous stalker.
::
:: I did not believe the anonymous postings, Neal, before you sexually
:: harassed me. Your postings made me believe that they might be right.
1) I webbed a Photoshopped photo of an attractive model in a bikini
Photoshopped into the doorway of your little log cabin and said she was you.
2) I did this to poke fun at those people who have photoshopped and posted
photos of you making you appear old and ugly.
3) You were offended by the skimpy attire and high heels of the model and
didn't want to be associated with it. I took down the page. You posted that
you would rather people think you were old and ugly.
4) So, I gave you your wish and started saying you were old, your pictures
were not current, your feet were large, your hair was dyed, etc.
5) But then you became even more angry at me because you changed your mind
and said you did not want people to think you are old and ugly.
Do you see the contradiction? You created a situation where I could do
nothing to please you.
FOR THE RECORD, the pictures that appear on Barbara's Cowgirls Up Blogspot
http://barbara-schwarz2008.blogspot.com/2009/04/cowgirls-up.html
of her vacation at the fair and Mississippi River are NOT OLD PHOTOS. They
were taken in September, 2009. Anybody who knows anything about photos can
find this information which is stored in the code.
As you can see, Barbara is anything but old and ugly. She is quite
attractive and desirable. Her feet are not overly large for her size but
only appear larger than they are because they are close to the camera lens,
her hair color is natural.
:: Yes, I checked up on you and you are in the clear as far as Cecil
:: Warren is concerned. But even if you are not him, the postings that
:: you did on me, my character, my ethics, my appearance, etc. were so
:: low that they could compete with Garry Scarff's harassment of me. And
:: that means something.
Do you allow freedom of speech only if such freedom of speech pleases you?
:: A security guard in the LDS library in Salt lake City saw some of
:: Scarff's postings against me and he was shocked beyong belief. He
:: would have been that too with your postings against me.
He can think what he will. He is ignorant of the context. Context matters.
> The anonymous stalker really has only goal
> which goal is to associate my name(s) with a sex offender so they are
> associated together when Googled. This is his/her sick idea of revenge for
> some transgression real or imagined.
::
:: Yes, there is something putting up Anonymous postings on you. It is
:: not me and I don't know who it is. You apparently have this enemy
:: already before you ever
:: heard of me. But you are making your enemies. We were friends before
:: you showed me how cheap and harassing you can be.
True, this anonymous stalker has been around for quite some time. I never
thought it was you. I could tell if it was you easily just by your writing
style.
Yes, we were friends before you lost your temper over a dumb photoshopped
picture making you look like a beautiful model. I you think such a Photoshop
job is cheap and low that is your right but you clearly over reacted as that
was not my intent. It was posted to help you against your defamers. I was
and still am on your side. But, you make that almost impossible because of
your contradictory nature. On the one hand you say you don't want help from
anybody but on the other hand when you don't get any help you complain that
you are being defamed. Is it any wonder I maintain that women are not
logical beings?
>I was distressed to see you fall for it
> so easily but I feel better that you researched it and learned the truth
> to
> your own satisfaction.
::
:: That anonymous poster did not make me fall for it. Your postings made
:: me think that you could be Cecil Warren. Yes, I know now for sure from
:: governmental place that you are not Cecil Warren but it doesn't undo
:: your horrible postings against me. I just defended myself from you. I
:: never started any fight with you.
Wrong! You started the fight by your extreme reaction to the Photoshopped
model in the doorway. What was intended as a compliment you viewed as
defamation. But, that's OK. Diffferent strokes for different folks. People
fight all the time, no big deal. It's just a bad situation if it gets too
carried away into real life and please note you are the one who carried it
over into real life with your repeated claim and webbing that I was Cecil
Warren and a rapist.
>
> > Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
> > postings, his defamation, his lies,
> > his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
> > believe postings done by others
> > that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
> > like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
> > he is Cecil Warren are not true.
>
> I do act pretty bad sometimes but, in spite of what it appears, I rarely
> have bad intentions.
::
:: Could have fooled me...
::
Words on the screen. ;-)
> I just enjoy the give and take and the games that can
> be played on Usenet. Sometimes I think everybody will understand this but,
> alas, most people don't seem to.
::
:: When your posting convinced me more and more that you are Cecil Warren
:: (which you are not) it didn't made you feel good. If you post doctored
:: pics, stalk me around, post about my body parts, defame Marty,
:: constantly put a provoking subject line on ARS to make me respond, I
:: do not feel good either.
Does the Constitution say anything about life, liberty, the pursuit of
happiness and people must make you feel good? :-)
:: Some women say all men are jerks. But a few know to behave and you are
:: not one of them. You might think it is manly but we women reject this
:: kind of behavior very much.
Reject away but don't expect your doing so will alter said behavior. Yours
is a feminist stance and entirely untenable. Men will be men and women will
ALWAYS complain about men. It's in their nature to complain about and
attempt to control that which they have no control over.
> Most people take everything way too
> seriously. For me Usenet is an escape from reality and a virtual game
> using
> words instead of moving pictures and virtual weapons like guns, swords,
> hand
> grenades, Mech Warriors, etc.
::
:: The problem is only that the posters on usenet are living people. You
:: hated it when I thought you are Cecil Warren. I hate when you try to
:: provoke me by posting false or doctored or forged stuff. I hate
:: falsehoods about me about anything and anybody. I even corrected the
:: falsehood about you being Cecil Warren despite you were so mean to
:: me.
Yes, and bless you! To thine own self be true. You benefit as much or more
than I do with this correction.
I didn't hate it when you thought I was Cecil Warren. Rather, I feld badly
for you because you put yourself in danger from an ex convict. You have
nothing to fear from me but the ex convict might not appreciate all the bad
publicity you give to his name. His crime was way back in 1962. He spent
time in prison as punishment. He was released. Who knows what the man is
doing now? Has he turned over a new leaf or is he still a dangerous man? Why
would any sane woman associate herself in public with such a man?
You say you hate falsehoods about yourself so please explain to me why you
stated in a post when I first arrived that you would rather people think you
were old and ugly than young and attractive? This a clear contradiction and
causes problems for you. Problems of your own making, BTW. You should clear
this inconsistency in your thinking.
:: I do have a great sense of humor but it should not hurt anybody or be
:: cheap.
Sometimes I see glimpses of your sense of humor and you do have sort of a
dry sense of humor. But, try not to attempt to control everything. The only
way somebody can be hurt is if that individual allows themself to be hurt.
Being hurt is ENTIRELY in the eyes of the beholder. It's nobody's choice but
their own. Understand?
:: And by posting that women have no equal rights, more than half of the
:: planet will thinks that you are want to push the planet backwards
:: instead of forwards.
You call what is going on today, going forward? Bwahahhahahahah. The planet
is clearly going backwards with immorality, greed, graft, corruption,
murder, robbery, rape, pillaging, war, strife, bastard children, starving
children, etc, etc. I maintain that feminism, socialism, atheism and
agnosticism are all responsible in part for this sad state of affairs. Women
need to wake up and understand THEY are a big part of the problem. As long
as they refuse to do what they were created to do they will continue to make
the situation worse.
>
> I just happen to (be) very good at word play and which words and tone to
> use to
> give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes. Tigger is
> right and Claire and Kat.
::
:: I noticed this in your forgeries of them but your forgeries of me were
:: not good. Some people mixed your postings up with theirs but all knew
:: that the postings that you made in my name where not by me...
Much was directly copied and pasted from your past posts. :-) We view
ourselves differently than others see us.
:: You posted that I would post like a 2 year old, but that is rather
:: what you displayed. In all my years on usenet, I never forged one
:: person, not even Garry Scarff. I consider it a violation of laws.
Depends upon the intent. My forgeries aren't really forgeries at all.
Froggeries are what they more accurately are. I don't change my email
address in the headers so everybody can see right away it is a hoax. What I
do is more of a parody than a forgery. Does the comedian who goes on David
Letterman with make-up and speech like President Bush or Obama or Gov. Palin
forging them or do they engage in parody. Expand your horizons, don't close
the doors and draw the shutters. That idiot Claire claimed in a post
elsewhere that using "Claire" in the sign line is "actionable"...
BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Like she owns exclusive rights to a name
probably a million other people use or have. I think her brain has been
affected by all those vibrations going on with the sex toy.
> I do manipulate people with words on the screen.
> But, I see nothing wrong with it. I use the potential of the media and if
> people are too unimaginative or thin-skinned to keep up then so be it.
:: I don't manipulate anybody. I am as open as I get. People warned me of
:: you, Shirley, Kat, Claire and others. I didn't listen to them and turn
:: on you.
That is your style. If it's what you're comfortable with then knock yourself
out but don't expect everybody else feels the same way. Wouldn't Usenet be
VERY boring if everybody acted the same?
:: I had it when YOU stepped over the line. When you did it one, we had a
:: big argument. Then I felt sorry for you as the others start to beat
:: you up even more. But then you provoked me again, and again, and
:: again. Your postings became cheaper and more hostile.
Theater of the mind. You make a very good leading actress.
::
:: You are right with one thing: women are indeed no men (but it does not
:: mean that they have not the same rights or are not as smart). What you
:: can say to your buddy, you may not say to a lady.
I see no ladies here on Usenet. I see words on the screen. Sometimes I post
as a female. When people reply are they replying to a female? NOT! So, how
do I know you are a female? Photos don't prove it. Your claiming it doesn't
prove it. A female name in the From: line doesn't prove it. You and I differ
when it comes to Usenet. You see people. I see words on the screen. Words on
the screen have none of the rights of flesh and blood people.
>
> > I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
> > nevertheless a very creepy person.
>
> I am one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life. Really. But,
> you
> can't be blamed for thinking otherwise considering the games I play on
> Usenet. To me Usenet should never be considered real life. One of these
> days
> perhaps I will meet my female counterpart in somebody who views Usenet as
> a
> jousting field and who can play at my level.
:: Then your helpmate might be a man and not a woman, Neal. Remember that
:: vibrator posting that you made to me? What lady would not be deeply
:: insulted by that?
I remember it. Again, you miscontrued. You put yourself on the throne. But,
the throne was already occuppied by Claire Swazey. The post was written to
poke fun at Claire. She was the object of derision, not you. Have you ever
watched on TV something called a "Celebrity Roast?" This is where some
celebrity is "honored" as the center of attraction and all the other
celebrities give a short speech saying all kinds of awful and mean things
about him. Everybody laughs and has a good time even the celebrity being
roasted. In the end he gets to get up and give a speech where he then bashes
his tormentors. He gets even. It's all in fun.
:: Perhaps I should tell you that I am not a woman but a lady.
You are first a woman, second a lady, third a lovely lady. Some women like
Claire, Tigger, Kat, Monica, Maureen and Barbz are no ladies and they have
no charm either.
>
> I wonder about you, Barbara. I still think, from time to time, that you
> are
> a master troll who can manipulate public perception very well, yourself.
:: You are wrong. I am pure. What you see is what you get. I am like this
:: posting.
I begin to understand this. But, please understand that in being so you
paint a tempting target on your back. :-)
> But, then other times I see somebody just a little too consistent and
> sincere for that.
:: Understand Neal that if somebody wants to joke around with me, the
:: jokes must be on a higher level. Vibrators, women bashing, big feet,
:: alleged old age doesn't cut it for me. I make fun all the time. I am
:: the funniest person in my family and in the neighborhood. I could make
:: a living of being a stand up comedian. But my jokes are not primitive
:: and not mean.
Well said! That is your style. Contrasting styles are variety and variety is
the spice of life. Besides, considering the audience around here your jokes
go miles over the dull-witted minds most of the people here have. I fear
your efforts at humor are wasted on these morons
> But, you do have a talent for pushing people's buttons
> whether you know it or not. Sometimes I think this can't be a coincidence
> but intentional. That's one of the reasons I'm drawn to you. I think you
> have the ability to play with the best of them but yours is probably more
> of
> a latent inate ability than anything developed purposefully.
:: I don't want to push your or anybody's buttons. In my world, all
:: people, including Shirely should be happy. It is just that at a
:: certain point of attacks (and I never start them) my patience is over
:: and I open the flood gates.
But when you do open the floodgates you know just what to say to get
people's goats. Poor Tigger's blood pressure goes through the roof when you
open the floodgates on her. I swear she'll end up having a stroke or
something after reading a flood gate post of yours about her. <lol>
>
> Remember when Microsoft first brought out the Internet Explorer browser
> their slogan was, "Where do you want to go today?" I think a good slogan
> for a news client is, "Who do you want to be today? Usenet is a stage
> where
> actors can ply their trade, in my opinion. This is directly at odds to
> what
> most people think but why should I engage in their boring vision of it
> when
> the levels go way beyond their limited understanding?
:: There is just one other thing: people read it and think it is true. So
:: whatever you posted about me or others, including the forgeries, some
:: people think it is true. I rarely google my name, including the Blogs.
:: But recently I was surprised how many people truly believe the crap
:: that was posted by some defamers on usenet.
Here is a good point. Apparent we two have completely different outlooks on
this. I believe if people are stupid enough to believe something without
checking it out then they aren't worth worrying about. They and their
stupidity can be dismissed. If I am concerned what a bunch of morons think
about me than that makes me a moron, too.
:: You posted that I lied. But in fact, I can't live without truth. Lies
:: to suffocate me. Any falsehoods, any lies... I don't like them. L. Ron
:: Hubbard says that lies are THE LOWEST FORM of human creation. And I
:: don't like anything low.
That's why I'm surprised you refused to apologize to me for your broken
promise to not reveal my real name. That was clearly a lie and the best way
to divest yourself of a lie is to apologize for it and to intend to not lie
again in the future. Everybody lies once in a while either intentionally or
unintentionally. Nobody is perfect. But, everybody is able to recognize a
lie and atone for it. It's the right thing to do.
> > Google didn't remove anything, Neal, your photo, all data and all
> > postings were and are still there.
> > I could ignore that I know from an official source that you are indeed
> > NOT Cecil Warren to harm your
> > reputation but I don't because truth matters to me more than anything.
> > I do this out of my own free decision.
> > Google and nobody else has contacted me on you.
>
> Thank you. I know you have good in your heart.
>
> > I removed the SharkinFlorida Blogspot and will remove today/tomorrow
> > or the day after tomorrow, depending
> > of my time, the postings of the last days in which I suspected you to
> > be Cecil Warren.
>
> Don't worry about the postings. You've got better things to do with your
> time and if you remove them some might think there is a cover-up of sorts
> going on. No harm done, Barbara.
::
:: I will remove them tomorrow. It is late today and I'm tired.
>
> Oh, I just deleted the Paranoid Personality Disorder essay from my
> BlogSpot
> as a gesture in kind. Perhaps you will think a little more kindly towards
> me
> for that.
:: That was a real nasty one.
I know, I was just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Calling somebody
a rapist is rather nasty as well. ;-)
> > However, I ask you again to leave me alone and stop forging my photos
> > and my postings. I really do not understand what you want from me. My
> > heart belongs to the original Marty Rathbun and nothing will ever
> > change this. I told you this over and over again.
>
> What I want from you is to read your posts and reply to some of them that
> interest me and to tease you if I feel like it and to get you all riled up
> at times because you don't agree with something or anything I post.
:: I don't understand this posting. I should reply to my own postings?
:: Why that?
You lost me. I was just saying I don't have any ulterior motives other than
playing with you but only on Usenet - not in real life.
:: If your teasing is low, Neal, than I will either again (be) in your face
or
:: the other alternative is that I will leave Usenet because why should I
:: allow others to insult me. It often seems to me that you are stuck in
:: highschool and constantly pull at the braids of the girls but then
:: don't be surprised that they do not like you.
That's IT! But, consider this, the braids that get pulled most are those
attached to heads that let it bother them the most. ;-) Would you continue
to pull Tigger's braids if she ignored you?
> I want
> to show there is another side to Usenet than just strict and somewhat dull
> reality.
:: After these bad flame wars, some strict and dull reality would be kind
:: of nice.
I think you value peace and quite and truth and security more than I do,
Barbara. I enjoy some chaos and noise, some lies and illogic to examine and
refute and some insecurity. Chaos makes me feel more alive. Why else would I
be living aboard a boat in hurricane country. If you would feel alive try
riding out a hurricane in a small boat.
>I want to expand your understanding of burlesque and parody.
:: It must be on a high tonelevel otherwise I don't take that train.
It's called GAMES. It is a 22.0 on the Tone Scale. That's one reason you
need to play more games. Usenet is a great game if you wish to use it as
such.
>I want
> to help you sometimes when people attack you for real.
:: Neal, understand that I really do not need defense. Even if the entire
:: world beats me up, I will be always standing. I am so much stronger in
:: my personality than anyone here thinks.
But, please consider that the helper sometimes helps also because it makes
him feel better about himself. Would you deny people the chance to do a good
deed? To be ethical. To be humane? To be Christian?
:: And how can you help me by attacking me yourself? The posting of the
:: people who attack me where most of the time more harmless than
:: yours.
An ax often used loses its keen edge. The effectiveness of an attack is
blunted when it becomes commonplace. Like the anonymous stalker Cecil
basher. The more often he repeats it the more people get sick of it and
killfile or ignore it. When I attack you and say you have old photos or big
feet, for example, some people understand that I marginalize those who
attack you for real by doing so. Everybody's attacks become a parody. Don't
you see it?
> I want to make you
> laugh.
:: On a high level.
>I want to make you cry.
:: Why that?
Crying is a release. Pent up emotions are bad for you. Crying can also be
for happiness.
:: >I want to make you blush
::
:: By posting about vibrators? That doesn't make me blush, it makes me
:: feel as somebody poured dirt over me. No good feeling.
You're weird.
> and I want to make
> you want to slap me.
:: That is what I felt most of the time. You really succeeded here.
:-)
> You know, all things anybody would feel when they are
> more alive than dead. I know your heart goes to Marty and I would never
> try
> to wrench it away.
:: You could have fooled me. Your postings read often as if they had
:: exactly this in mind.
I play on your high opinion of yourself. My bad.
>The only way I would want it is if you gave it freely. So
> what are you worried about?
:: I am not worried about a thing, Neal. After I returned from my
:: vacation this year to the Mississippi, I felt actually good. I was
:: back home again for a couple days and did not post because I feel that
:: being on usenet means being lowered on a lower level. It does not feel
:: good. Whatever the people post here about me (including you) is not me
:: and I am getting real bored playing again in this mud bath.
Then post more on-topic subjects. Spend more time against the
anti-Scientology extremists. Ignore those that make you feel low. I guess we
have a basic difference her. I get a chuckle out of even the lowest posts -
the ones from the slackers, for example, they are so pathetic and clueless.
Where else can one go for such good entertainment.
>I certainly can't pry your heart away from the
> one to whom you have given it. You should be flattered if somebody likes
> you - not offended and insulted.
:: I was loved by people who didn't respect me, Greg. Love without
:: respect does hurt. I have no shortage of admirer. I stay friends with
:: those who treat me with respect. And my heart will be always belong to
:: the original Marty.
Don't let your reaction to people who don't respect you to bleed all over
those who may.
>
> > You want a young, intellient and attractive wife and from your many
> > outrageous defamatory posting to judge, I am anything but that. You
> > posted the most horrible lies about my character, looks, age,
> > appearance, whereabouts since Garry Scaff and his many sock puppets.
> > Your postings were right out of the deepest gutter.
>
> I don't want a wife at all. I want a helpmate or better yet a sparing
> partner. To spar with somebody with words long distance is great fun. That
> way the mind to mind play is the only reality while the physical aspects
> can
> be anything imaginable. It's like living a dream while awake. Do you
> understand this even a little?
:: Not really because you go through a great deal of effort to check out
:: my physical aspects. You figured out that the camera with which my
:: summer 2009 photos were shot is new. But you wrongfully posted that
:: these photos are old and you go in each detail of my body and post
:: that my feet are large, my hair is dyed, my face, old, etc. and
:: nothing of it is true. That is not teasing, it is insulting and you
:: can't get away with saying that this is not physical....
Is it physical if it is a photo on a BlogSpot? Now, if I met you in person
and viewed your person with my own eyes and then said those things that
would be physical. But, are bits and bytes and pixels on the screen
physical? Can I touch them, can I smell them, can I feel them, can I hear
them, can I slap them, can I smell their perfume, can I whisper in an ear,
can I hug them, can I see their breathing, their movement, can I hear them
laugh, etc?
If I insult a photo of you do I insult you or do I insult the photo? And
does a photo have human rights? Oh, in a post elsewhere I stated that the
photos are, indeed, current and taken in September 2009. So you do, indeed,
look very young and attractive. But, everybody with any common sense already
knew this.
:: There are different kind of women on this planet. I am a very feminine
:: one. Not feminist but feminine. I look young and fit because I work at
:: it to be that way. It is not a coincident.
Agreed! It does take work and good diet to stay fit. It says a lot about the
individual who cares enough about his/herself to do what is right for their
body. It will pay off in continued good health.
>
> The things I tease you about sound horrible to you because you take them
> literally. They aren't meant literally. They are meant to provoke a
> reaction. So learn from these teasings and don't over react to them. Laugh
> them off instead. Take them less seriously.
:: You didn't laugh these posting off that I posted when you provoked me
:: that much that I wanted to slap you. You didn't laugh when I posted
:: that you could be Cecil Warren.
I felt badly for you with the Cecil Warren thing because I saw how you
managed to talk yourself into believing nonsense out of a desire for
revenge. Revenge is low-tone. I had hoped for better than that. But, the
rapist postings didn't cause me any grief other than this and the fact they
made me a little concerned for your safety and well-being.
:: Florida is full with Scientologists. Perhaps you find somebody who can
:: tell you what humor high on the tonescale is. Because that is the
:: humor I laugh about.
> Would I even bother with you if
> I really believed, myself, all the awful things I posted about you?
:: Being a weirdo?
Hey, I happen to LIKE weirdos.
> But, try
> to look at it this way. You are words on the screen. Photos sometimes. But
> you aren't real to me.
:: That means that if a person doesn't want to be defamed and abused, she
:: rather should leave Usenet and rather hang out with a nice bunch of
:: Mormons in her town who do not do such things.
Hey, some people think any attention is better than being ignored. People
posting to Usenet are attention hogs or they probably wouldn't be spending
their time there.
> I would have to meet you in person for you to be real
> and that would spoil everything. It would ruin the game because then I
> would
> have to treat you like a real person. No more games then. See what I mean?
:: Yes, you are mentally stuck in highschool.
Games = 22.0 on the Tone Scale. An adult is happier when he does not forsake
all his childhood perceptions.
> > How can you expect me to think that a person doing all of that is not
> > a sexual offender?
>
> One believes what he or she will.
>
> > You might be lonely, but many people are. You either have to get used
> > to it or you have to marry.
> > You want a good looking, young, attractive, and special wife? Then get
> > one.
> > Nicole Smith married a man many decades her senior and why shouldn't
> > you.
> > But it is not me.
>
> I know that, Barbara. And I am not lonely. I love the life I live.
> Wouldn't
> have it any other way. I don't want you for a wife. I am pleased to have
> you
> as words on a screen. I like to read your posts and your way of writing. I
> like the way you act like a spoiled brat sometimes. Just continue to be
> the
> way you are and play along a little once in a while. You might find there
> is
> a diminsion you've missed to Usenet.
:: I am considering to leave Usenet for good, Neal. And you might be just
:: the last car rolling down that way for me...
It might be a good thing for you to leave Usenet for a while, Barbara, if
not for good. It seems to me you derive more grief out of it than you get
pleasure. Why continue with something that is little more than an
aggravation to you? I would leave Usenet in a minute if it wasn't so much
fun. But, also, from time to time, a good post can sway minds. That counts
for a lot as well.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:101ecab6-560b-4d47...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> I've never claimed that you manipulate people. I wouldn't say that at
> all. I would say that you ~try~ to manipulate people, that it appears
> that you ~think~ you manipulate people...but ultimately they see right
> through you.
>
> So saying I'm right about this thing I never said doesn't cut any
> ice.
Agreed! It was, indeed, extremely foolish of me to claim you were ever right
about anything, Claire.
--
Gregory Hall
Douche Bagelow
Voltaire's Child
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote in message
news:37kedi....@news.alt.net...
Had I thought you were actually able to manipulate anyone or anything, I
surely would have been wrong.
Claire
Steady Eddy
<barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, for the records and to inform all of you, Neal Warren aka Greg
> Hall is not sex offender Cecil Warren.
> I know that now for certain from a very official source.
>
> postings, his defamation, his lies,
> his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
> believe postings done by others
> that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
> like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
> he is Cecil Warren are not true.
>
> nevertheless a very creepy person.
Lady (I use that term loosely) you need to get off the dope and get
some mental health treatment.
Barbara loves Marty
I am not against bikini's or high heels. I have some of these too at
home. I objected to it for these reasons:
A) It was a primitive posture of the women. It was a stripper posture.
Ladies wear high heels and they wear bikinis. But, and now listen
carefully: ladies do not wear bikinis and high heels together, most
certainly not in the Utah mountains. When they wear high heels, they
wear for example an evening gown. When they wear bikinis, they wear no
shoes at all but are barefoot.
B) If people claim that I am ugly, they are lying and my real pictures
can be used to encounter this lie.
C) You should have asked me in advance if I allow it. I would have
told you that I don't want this and no fight ever would have flamed
up.
D) I suspect the German secret service since many years concealing my
true ID and covering it up with pictures and IDs of other women to
mislead my real ID to the real Marty Rathbun's. I don't accept their
ways and I don't like anybody working for them.
>
> 2) I did this to poke fun at those people who have photoshopped and posted
> photos of you making you appear old and ugly.
E) I am not old and ugly and my own photos prove that. I don't need a
substitute.
>
> 3) You were offended by the skimpy attire and high heels of the model and
> didn't want to be associated with it. I took down the page. You posted that
> you would rather people think you were old and ugly.
F) There is nothing wrong with my looks. I look just fine. I don't
believe you that you posted
the cheap model "to help me". If you would wanted to help me, you
could have referred to my real
photos and told that anybody who says that I am old and ugly needs his
eyes checked. I think that
you rather want to conceal my real identity. You also wrote in another
posting that if you would
have my birth certificate, saying that I am L. Ron Hubbard's daughter
and my marriage certificate to the real
Marty Rathbun, you would not give them to me even if you would have
them.
>
> 4) So, I gave you your wish and started saying you were old, your pictures
> were not current, your feet were large, your hair was dyed, etc.
G) You are still not playing fair, Neal.
>
> 5) But then you became even more angry at me because you changed your mind
> and said you did not want people to think you are old and ugly.
H) What you are doing is: you are manipulating the facts.
>
> Do you see the contradiction? You created a situation where I could do
> nothing to please you.
I) Honesty is what I miss from you.
>
> FOR THE RECORD, the pictures that appear on Barbara's Cowgirls Up Blogspot
>
> http://barbara-schwarz2008.blogspot.com/2009/04/cowgirls-up.html
> of her vacation at the fair and Mississippi River are NOT OLD PHOTOS. They
> were taken in September, 2009. Anybody who knows anything about photos can
> find this information which is stored in the code.
>
> As you can see, Barbara is anything but old and ugly. She is quite
> attractive and desirable. Her feet are not overly large for her size but
> only appear larger than they are because they are close to the camera lens,
> her hair color is natural.
See how easy it is to be truthful? However, I removed the Blogspot and
the photos because of you.
>
> :: Yes, I checked up on you and you are in the clear as far as Cecil
> :: Warren is concerned. But even if you are not him, the postings that
> :: you did on me, my character, my ethics, my appearance, etc. were so
> :: low that they could compete with Garry Scarff's harassment of me. And
> :: that means something.
>
> Do you allow freedom of speech only if such freedom of speech pleases you?
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that falsehoods and primitive speech and
defamation is not covered under the
protection of the constitution and I agree.
> :: A security guard in the LDS library in Salt lake City saw some of
> :: Scarff's postings against me and he was shocked beyong belief. He
> :: would have been that too with your postings against me.
>
> He can think what he will. He is ignorant of the context. Context matters.
No Neal, you are twisting the context. I have male pen pales but they
do ask me for my
permission before they go ahead and do things that concern me.
>
> > The anonymous stalker really has only goal
> > which goal is to associate my name(s) with a sex offender so they are
> > associated together when Googled. This is his/her sick idea of revenge for
> > some transgression real or imagined.
>
> ::
> :: Yes, there is something putting up Anonymous postings on you. It is
> :: not me and I don't know who it is. You apparently have this enemy
> :: already before you ever
> :: heard of me. But you are making your enemies. We were friends before
> :: you showed me how cheap and harassing you can be.
>
> True, this anonymous stalker has been around for quite some time. I never
> thought it was you. I could tell if it was you easily just by your writing
> style.
I remember a posting in response to this anonymous poster and you
claimed that I would talk to myself.
That was wrong too. I was not that poster.
>
> Yes, we were friends before you lost your temper over a dumb photoshopped
> picture making you look like a beautiful model. I you think such a Photoshop
> job is cheap and low that is your right but you clearly over reacted as that
> was not my intent.
I am a good looking woman. I do not need a cheap model that replaced
me. Also it is a lie to all
people who read the newsgroup. I do not like my real identity
concealed. Period.
You should have asked me before you did it.
> It was posted to help you against your defamers.
I posted a thousand times that I don't need help. I can defend
myself.
And you became with Scarff my worst defamer...
>I was
> and still am on your side.
You are not on my side, Neal. You are on your case officers side.
> But, you make that almost impossible because of
> your contradictory nature. On the one hand you say you don't want help from
> anybody but on the other hand when you don't get any help you complain that
> you are being defamed. Is it any wonder I maintain that women are not
> logical beings?
I said nothing like that. I complained against YOU defaming me. And
you did.
I am a lot more logical than you are and I am not twisting the truth.
Before you posted the stripper model in my photo, you posted already
the photo of another woman and claimed
that it is me. I posted that it would be not me, and you did it to
conceal my real ID because you
know that the real Marty Rathbun or his representatives might read the
postings here.
It is also insulting to a good looking woman as myself that you use
photos of other women and claim
wrongfully that it is me. My beauty can stand on its own. If people
still claim after having seen
my real photos that I am old and ugly they are darn liars and who
cares about them anyway?
>
> >I was distressed to see you fall for it
> > so easily but I feel better that you researched it and learned the truth
> > to
> > your own satisfaction.
>
> ::
> :: That anonymous poster did not make me fall for it. Your postings made
> :: me think that you could be Cecil Warren. Yes, I know now for sure from
> :: governmental place that you are not Cecil Warren but it doesn't undo
> :: your horrible postings against me. I just defended myself from you. I
> :: never started any fight with you.
>
> Wrong! You started the fight by your extreme reaction to the Photoshopped
> model in the doorway. What was intended as a compliment you viewed as
> defamation.
That is a load of crap. I look good, and you know it. So why do you
post photos OF OTHER WOMEN
and lie that it is me? Because you want to conceal my real ID, Neal.
That is your real motivation.
>But, that's OK. Diffferent strokes for different folks. People
> fight all the time, no big deal.
It is a big deal for me. I gave you a second chance, remember? After
just about anybody was beating you up
in the newsgroups, I felt sorry for you, asked you not constantly
throw my name in the subject lines,
remember? That didn't work long. I got really angry about that anti-
semitic posting that you made about
fine American family de Rothschild just to make them and Marty look
bad in my eyes. Then you sexually
harassed me in postings, then you insulted me, forged me, and the list
goes on.
No friend does that to a friend.
>It's just a bad situation if it gets too
> carried away into real life and please note you are the one who carried it
> over into real life with your repeated claim and webbing that I was Cecil
> Warren and a rapist.
Usenet is real life, Neal. Because real people read it on the
Internet. If what you smeared about me is not
real life, then me thinking that after all you did that you are Cecil
Warren is not real too.
>
>
>
> > > Do I owe Neal an apology? No, I don't because his sexual harassing
> > > postings, his defamation, his lies,
> > > his cyberstalking, his forgeries, his unwanted attention caused me to
> > > believe postings done by others
> > > that he is Cecil Warren is correct. If Neal would not have behaved
> > > like a sexual predator, I would have believed that the postings that
> > > he is Cecil Warren are not true.
>
> > I do act pretty bad sometimes but, in spite of what it appears, I rarely
> > have bad intentions.
>
> ::
> :: Could have fooled me...
> ::
>
> Words on the screen. ;-)
>
> > I just enjoy the give and take and the games that can
> > be played on Usenet. Sometimes I think everybody will understand this but,
> > alas, most people don't seem to.
>
> ::
> :: When your posting convinced me more and more that you are Cecil Warren
> :: (which you are not) it didn't made you feel good. If you post doctored
> :: pics, stalk me around, post about my body parts, defame Marty,
> :: constantly put a provoking subject line on ARS to make me respond, I
> :: do not feel good either.
>
> Does the Constitution say anything about life, liberty, the pursuit of
> happiness and people must make you feel good? :-)
I have rights, Neal, and you don't grant my rights to me.
>
> :: Some women say all men are jerks. But a few know to behave and you are
> :: not one of them. You might think it is manly but we women reject this
> :: kind of behavior very much.
>
> Reject away but don't expect your doing so will alter said behavior. Yours
> is a feminist stance and entirely untenable. Men will be men and women will
> ALWAYS complain about men.
That is not true, Neal. I am no feminist but you deserve all the
feminists in the world coming after you.
You think that a woman is a property, and this is how Taliban thinks.
You think that you can do with a
woman what you want and that is why you have none by your side.
There are women who say that they have the best husband's in the
world. I assume your ex-wife is not
one of them.
>It's in their nature to complain about and
> attempt to control that which they have no control over.
You do not control my or any woman's affairs and this is why I got
angry about you. The times where
an uneducated woman who could not read and write was looking up to her
bully of a man are over.
Thanks heaven.
What you do not know is that there are numerous men who read ARS and
do not post. But their e-mail and
there are male voices that are telling that they are not like you. And
it happened also through postings.
Andrew Robertson is a man too. He does not agree with your postion
towards women. And he is not alone.
I don't know if anybody except Scarff agrees with your Taliban
attitude. Your privacy violating ladypilot
friend perhaps who I don't know and never had a dispute with. But
nobody smart and educated.
If you would respect women more, you would probably have found what
you are looking for.
>
> > Most people take everything way too
> > seriously. For me Usenet is an escape from reality and a virtual game
> > using
> > words instead of moving pictures and virtual weapons like guns, swords,
> > hand
> > grenades, Mech Warriors, etc.
>
> ::
> :: The problem is only that the posters on usenet are living people. You
> :: hated it when I thought you are Cecil Warren. I hate when you try to
> :: provoke me by posting false or doctored or forged stuff. I hate
> :: falsehoods about me about anything and anybody. I even corrected the
> :: falsehood about you being Cecil Warren despite you were so mean to
> :: me.
>
> Yes, and bless you! To thine own self be true. You benefit as much or more
> than I do with this correction.
I don't see how I benefit from it, except that I do not like
falsehoods and we differ very much on this
subject.
>
> I didn't hate it when you thought I was Cecil Warren. Rather, I feld badly
> for you because you put yourself in danger from an ex convict.
I know how to help myself. He probably would have come for you first.
>You have
> nothing to fear from me but the ex convict might not appreciate all the bad
> publicity you give to his name. His crime was way back in 1962. He spent
> time in prison as punishment. He was released. Who knows what the man is
> doing now? Has he turned over a new leaf or is he still a dangerous man? Why
> would any sane woman associate herself in public with such a man?
Don't give me that, Neal. I am not associated with that man. You are.
There is at least one if not more
people out there who associated you years before I ever heard of you
with that man.
You behaved towards me like a sexual predator and that is why I
started to think that it could
be indeed you.
>
> You say you hate falsehoods about yourself so please explain to me why you
> stated in a post when I first arrived that you would rather people think you
> were old and ugly than young and attractive?
Listed to me now carefully: I RATHER WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT I AM
UGLY AND OLD INSTEAD YOU OR OTHERS POSTING
PHOTOS OF OTHER WOMEN CLAIMING IT WOULD BE ME BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT MY
IDENTITY CONCEALED OR MISTAKEN.
AS I AM GOOD LOOKING, IF SOMEBODY CLAIMS THAT I AM UGLY, MY OWN PHOTOS
PROVE THAT I AM NOT.
I know what you are up to Neal. Your case officer and you and the non-
American secret service that
you work for put you up to concealing my real ID because you want the
real Marty Rathbun to give
up on me and you think that finding these other photos would confuse
him and things like that.
You have bad intentions towards him and me and his family.
>This a clear contradiction and
> causes problems for you. Problems of your own making, BTW. You should clear
> this inconsistency in your thinking.
>
> :: I do have a great sense of humor but it should not hurt anybody or be
> :: cheap.
>
> Sometimes I see glimpses of your sense of humor and you do have sort of a
> dry sense of humor. But, try not to attempt to control everything. The only
> way somebody can be hurt is if that individual allows themself to be hurt.
> Being hurt is ENTIRELY in the eyes of the beholder. It's nobody's choice but
> their own. Understand?
Somebody wants said that I might be the funniest women ever but with a
very serious side.
If I feel German secret service sneakiness, I stop joking and raise
hell.
>
> :: And by posting that women have no equal rights, more than half of the
> :: planet will thinks that you are want to push the planet backwards
> :: instead of forwards.
>
> You call what is going on today, going forward? Bwahahhahahahah. The planet
> is clearly going backwards with immorality, greed, graft, corruption,
> murder, robbery, rape, pillaging, war, strife, bastard children, starving
> children, etc, etc.
This happened also during past centuries, very much so in times when
women were suppressed.
>I maintain that feminism, socialism, atheism and
> agnosticism are all responsible in part for this sad state of affairs. Women
> need to wake up and understand THEY are a big part of the problem. As long
> as they refuse to do what they were created to do they will continue to make
> the situation worse.
There is no woman and not too many men who will support you on this.
Women's rights and atheism, socalism,
and agnosticism are completely different shoes.
>
>
>
> > I just happen to (be) very good at word play and which words and tone to
> > use to
> > give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes. Tigger is
> > right and Claire and Kat.
>
> ::
> :: I noticed this in your forgeries of them but your forgeries of me were
> :: not good. Some people mixed your postings up with theirs but all knew
> :: that the postings that you made in my name where not by me...
>
> Much was directly copied and pasted from your past posts. :-) We view
> ourselves differently than others see us.
You wrote deliberately grammatical and syntax errors in my postings,
which shows
again how bad you are. I do not excuse your forgings. People who see
the necessity to forge others are
weak in their own arguments.
>
> :: You posted that I would post like a 2 year old, but that is rather
> :: what you displayed. In all my years on usenet, I never forged one
> :: person, not even Garry Scarff. I consider it a violation of laws.
>
> Depends upon the intent. My forgeries aren't really forgeries at all.
They are.
> Froggeries are what they more accurately are. I don't change my email
> address in the headers so everybody can see right away it is a hoax.
Claire was confused and didn't understand why my name is signing your
posting, until John Dorsey pointed it
out to her, Andrew Robertson who rarely misses anything thought that
your posting under Claire's name
was posted by her, I mistook one of your postings to be that of
Shirely...
People don't always have time to check everything and it also takes
the fun out of posting.
Google calls posters "authors", an author has a right of his or her
name to be protected.
> What I
> do is more of a parody than a forgery.
But it is not so. Authors have a right to
their own identity and you have no right to forge them and try to
confuse readers.
>Does the comedian who goes on David
> Letterman with make-up and speech like President Bush or Obama or Gov. Palin
> forging them or do they engage in parody. Expand your horizons, don't close
> the doors and draw the shutters. That idiot Claire claimed in a post
> elsewhere that using "Claire" in the sign line is "actionable"...
> BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Like she owns exclusive rights to a name
> probably a million other people use or have. I think her brain has been
> affected by all those vibrations going on with the sex toy.
>
> > I do manipulate people with words on the screen.
> > But, I see nothing wrong with it. I use the potential of the media and if
> > people are too unimaginative or thin-skinned to keep up then so be it.
>
> :: I don't manipulate anybody. I am as open as I get. People warned me of
> :: you, Shirley, Kat, Claire and others. I didn't listen to them and turn
> :: on you.
>
> That is your style. If it's what you're comfortable with then knock yourself
> out but don't expect everybody else feels the same way. Wouldn't Usenet be
> VERY boring if everybody acted the same?
I do not say that you have to be like others or all should be the
same. But more people
who are honest as I am would make Usenet a better place. There are too
many of your kind
on Usenet.
>
> :: I had it when YOU stepped over the line. When you did it one, we had a
> :: big argument. Then I felt sorry for you as the others start to beat
> :: you up even more. But then you provoked me again, and again, and
> :: again. Your postings became cheaper and more hostile.
>
> Theater of the mind. You make a very good leading actress.
There is no justification to anything you did to me.
>
> ::
> :: You are right with one thing: women are indeed no men (but it does not
> :: mean that they have not the same rights or are not as smart). What you
> :: can say to your buddy, you may not say to a lady.
>
> I see no ladies here on Usenet.
That seems to be really your problem.
>I see words on the screen.
You have no respect for other people's rights.
> Sometimes I post
> as a female.
Thanks for the warning, LadyPilot.
>When people reply are they replying to a female? NOT! So, how
> do I know you are a female? Photos don't prove it. Your claiming it doesn't
> prove it. A female name in the From: line doesn't prove it. You and I differ
> when it comes to Usenet. You see people. I see words on the screen. Words on
> the screen have none of the rights of flesh and blood people.
There are hundreds of people on usenet that know that I am a female
and that this is even my
real name. Particularly when a person posts with her real name and not
just a nickname as
Ladypilot, you should treat her better and with more respect.
>
>
>
> > > I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
> > > nevertheless a very creepy person.
>
> > I am one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life. Really. But,
> > you
> > can't be blamed for thinking otherwise considering the games I play on
> > Usenet. To me Usenet should never be considered real life. One of these
> > days
> > perhaps I will meet my female counterpart in somebody who views Usenet as
> > a
> > jousting field and who can play at my level.
>
> :: Then your helpmate might be a man and not a woman, Neal. Remember that
> :: vibrator posting that you made to me? What lady would not be deeply
> :: insulted by that?
>
> I remember it. Again, you miscontrued. You put yourself on the throne.
On the "throne"? Who wants to be "throne" of a perverted sexual
harassment posting?
You approached me and you sexually harassed me.
>But,
> the throne was already occuppied by Claire Swazey. The post was written to
> poke fun at Claire. She was the object of derision, not you.
You want to be the most smartest man ever but you don't understand
when you post if I would now
use Claire's vibrator that I would consider this sexual harassment?
What is wrong with you, Neal?
> Have you ever
> watched on TV something called a "Celebrity Roast?" This is where some
> celebrity is "honored" as the center of attraction and all the other
> celebrities give a short speech saying all kinds of awful and mean things
> about him. Everybody laughs and has a good time even the celebrity being
> roasted. In the end he gets to get up and give a speech where he then bashes
> his tormentors. He gets even. It's all in fun.
There are many TV shows in bad taste. However, I doubt that anybody in
that show was asked if she
uses Claire's vibrator now.
>
> :: Perhaps I should tell you that I am not a woman but a lady.
>
> You are first a woman, second a lady, third a lovely lady. Some women like
> Claire, Tigger, Kat, Monica, Maureen and Barbz are no ladies and they have
> no charm either.
>
>
>
> > I wonder about you, Barbara. I still think, from time to time, that you
> > are
> > a master troll who can manipulate public perception very well, yourself.
>
> :: You are wrong. I am pure. What you see is what you get. I am like this
> :: posting.
>
> I begin to understand this. But, please understand that in being so you
> paint a tempting target on your back. :-)
Instead of being fair to somebody pure, you try to pull her down.
>
> > But, then other times I see somebody just a little too consistent and
> > sincere for that.
>
> :: Understand Neal that if somebody wants to joke around with me, the
> :: jokes must be on a higher level. Vibrators, women bashing, big feet,
> :: alleged old age doesn't cut it for me. I make fun all the time. I am
> :: the funniest person in my family and in the neighborhood. I could make
> :: a living of being a stand up comedian. But my jokes are not primitive
> :: and not mean.
>
> Well said! That is your style. Contrasting styles are variety and variety is
> the spice of life. Besides, considering the audience around here your jokes
> go miles over the dull-witted minds most of the people here have. I fear
> your efforts at humor are wasted on these morons
What makes you think you are not one of them?
>
> > But, you do have a talent for pushing people's buttons
> > whether you know it or not. Sometimes I think this can't be a coincidence
> > but intentional. That's one of the reasons I'm drawn to you. I think you
> > have the ability to play with the best of them but yours is probably more
> > of
> > a latent inate ability than anything developed purposefully.
>
> :: I don't want to push your or anybody's buttons. In my world, all
> :: people, including Shirely should be happy. It is just that at a
> :: certain point of attacks (and I never start them) my patience is over
> :: and I open the flood gates.
>
> But when you do open the floodgates you know just what to say to get
> people's goats. Poor Tigger's blood pressure goes through the roof when you
> open the floodgates on her. I swear she'll end up having a stroke or
> something after reading a flood gate post of yours about her. <lol>
And here we differ again. I never posted a nasty thing about Shirely.
I ignored her for years.
Sometimes she would ask me something, and when I had time and was in
the mood, I answered her.
One day, perhaps too much medication, she tried to organize a campaign
to deny my access to ARS or
entirely to the Internet. That is when I put Shirely Jean Wilson aka
Tigger in my signature line.
However, I decided to ignore her as much as possible now after you
checked her police record and found her
high age. I did the same with Ida Chamburn who is on the RFW. I do not
want to be part in anybody's stroke
or death,it doesn't matter how nasty they are. Besides, an old and
tired SP is better than a young and fit
one.
If this is the humor you are talking about, Neal, then I really reject
it.
>
>
>
> > Remember when Microsoft first brought out the Internet Explorer browser
> > their slogan was, "Where do you want to go today?" I think a good slogan
> > for a news client is, "Who do you want to be today? Usenet is a stage
> > where
> > actors can ply their trade, in my opinion. This is directly at odds to
> > what
> > most people think but why should I engage in their boring vision of it
> > when
> > the levels go way beyond their limited understanding?
>
> :: There is just one other thing: people read it and think it is true. So
> :: whatever you posted about me or others, including the forgeries, some
> :: people think it is true. I rarely google my name, including the Blogs.
> :: But recently I was surprised how many people truly believe the crap
> :: that was posted by some defamers on usenet.
>
> Here is a good point. Apparent we two have completely different outlooks on
> this. I believe if people are stupid enough to believe something without
> checking it out then they aren't worth worrying about. They and their
> stupidity can be dismissed. If I am concerned what a bunch of morons think
> about me than that makes me a moron, too.
But again, you didn't like the Cecil Warren postings. Why did you get
so mad then?
It should have not bothered you because just morons would believe it,
right?
But it did bother you.
People have not much time. Anybody of us is missing things because we
do not have
the time to research deeply or overlook things, just as I did when you
posted that
malicious SP declare on the name Marty Rathbun.
>
> :: You posted that I lied. But in fact, I can't live without truth. Lies
> :: to suffocate me. Any falsehoods, any lies... I don't like them. L. Ron
> :: Hubbard says that lies are THE LOWEST FORM of human creation. And I
> :: don't like anything low.
>
> That's why I'm surprised you refused to apologize to me for your broken
> promise to not reveal my real name.
Not again this. Here are the facts. You offered me your name. It was
just about the first
thing that you wrote to me, your real name, Neal Warren. You never
asked me to conceal
your real name. You wrote: My name is Neal Warren but you can call me
Greg on Usenet.
CAN call me, not you have to call me. I made an offer myself that I
will not use your name on
Usenet. It was an offer, which I took back not even immediately after
you tried to conceal my
identity, photoshopped my pics and these other things. I decided to
publish your name when
you turned into a sexual predator and harassed me beyond belief.
> That was clearly a lie and the best way
> to divest yourself of a lie is to apologize for it and to intend to not lie
> again in the future.
That a person who lies as much as you do even has the guts to ask me
that.
>Everybody lies once in a while either intentionally or
> unintentionally. Nobody is perfect. But, everybody is able to recognize a
> lie and atone for it. It's the right thing to do.
You are anything but a good person, Neal. You have no right to ask me
anything.
You owe me hundreds of apologies. And you started any problem.
>
> > > Google didn't remove anything, Neal, your photo, all data and all
> > > postings were and are still there.
> > > I could ignore that I know from an official source that you are indeed
> > > NOT Cecil Warren to harm your
> > > reputation but I don't because truth matters to me more than anything.
> > > I do this out of my own free decision.
> > > Google and nobody else has contacted me on you.
>
> > Thank you. I know you have good in your heart.
>
> > > I removed the SharkinFlorida Blogspot and will remove today/tomorrow
> > > or the day after tomorrow, depending
> > > of my time, the postings of the last days in which I suspected you to
> > > be Cecil Warren.
>
> > Don't worry about the postings. You've got better things to do with your
> > time and if you remove them some might think there is a cover-up of sorts
> > going on. No harm done, Barbara.
>
> ::
> :: I will remove them tomorrow. It is late today and I'm tired.
>
>
>
> > Oh, I just deleted the Paranoid Personality Disorder essay from my
> > BlogSpot
> > as a gesture in kind. Perhaps you will think a little more kindly towards
> > me
> > for that.
>
> :: That was a real nasty one.
>
> I know, I was just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Calling somebody
> a rapist is rather nasty as well. ;-)
I write this in big letters so that you really are understanding this.
AFTER YOU SEXUALLY HARASSED ME
AND CYBERSTALKED ME BEYOND BELIEF AND AFTER YOU STARTED FORGING, I
TRULY BELIEVED THAT YOU ARE THE
SEXUAL OFFENDER. IT WAS NO LIE. I BELIEVED IT IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE I
CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A PERSON AS
PERVERTED AS YOU WAS NEVER INCARCERATED FOR SEXUAL OR OTHER CRIMES.
>
> > > However, I ask you again to leave me alone and stop forging my photos
> > > and my postings. I really do not understand what you want from me. My
> > > heart belongs to the original Marty Rathbun and nothing will ever
> > > change this. I told you this over and over again.
>
> > What I want from you is to read your posts and reply to some of them that
> > interest me and to tease you if I feel like it and to get you all riled up
> > at times because you don't agree with something or anything I post.
>
> :: I don't understand this posting. I should reply to my own postings?
> :: Why that?
>
> You lost me. I was just saying I don't have any ulterior motives other than
> playing with you but only on Usenet - not in real life.
You want to destroy people, Neal. That is your ultimate goal. Marty
Rathbun did never anything
to you but you posted really horrible lies about him. John Travolta
never did something to you
but you target him too despite people say that he is a real nice
fellow. You want to harm and
hurt, Neal as this is your true nature.
>
> :: If your teasing is low, Neal, than I will either again (be) in your face
> or
> :: the other alternative is that I will leave Usenet because why should I
> :: allow others to insult me. It often seems to me that you are stuck in
> :: highschool and constantly pull at the braids of the girls but then
> :: don't be surprised that they do not like you.
>
> That's IT! But, consider this, the braids that get pulled most are those
> attached to heads that let it bother them the most. ;-) Would you continue
> to pull Tigger's braids if she ignored you?
I never pulled Tigger's braids. She targeted me without having the
slightest reason and
I didn't let her get away with it.
If you pull the brains of girls that are hurt as most by it, you are a
sadist.
>
> > I want
> > to show there is another side to Usenet than just strict and somewhat dull
> > reality.
>
> :: After these bad flame wars, some strict and dull reality would be kind
> :: of nice.
>
> I think you value peace and quite and truth and security more than I do,
> Barbara.
You are a war maker, Neal, no doubt about it.
>I enjoy some chaos and noise, some lies and illogic to examine and
> refute and some insecurity. Chaos makes me feel more alive. Why else would I
> be living aboard a boat in hurricane country. If you would feel alive try
> riding out a hurricane in a small boat.
You like hurting people. And here you differ very much from me because
I do not want to hurt them.
I just hit back when I can't take their abuse anymore.
>
> >I want to expand your understanding of burlesque and parody.
>
> :: It must be on a high tonelevel otherwise I don't take that train.
>
> It's called GAMES. It is a 22.0 on the Tone Scale. That's one reason you
> need to play more games. Usenet is a great game if you wish to use it as
> such.
High on the tonescale are the good games that do not hurt the innocent
and the good.
But war games and hurt games as you are playing and very low on the
scale.
>
> >I want
> > to help you sometimes when people attack you for real.
>
> :: Neal, understand that I really do not need defense. Even if the entire
> :: world beats me up, I will be always standing. I am so much stronger in
> :: my personality than anyone here thinks.
>
> But, please consider that the helper sometimes helps also because it makes
> him feel better about himself.
How can all that, that you did to me (and others) make you even
remotely feel better.
I would be completely ashamed having done what you did.
> Would you deny people the chance to do a good
> deed? To be ethical. To be humane? To be Christian?
Since I met you, my belief in Christianity sunk even deeper.
>
> :: And how can you help me by attacking me yourself? The posting of the
> :: people who attack me where most of the time more harmless than
> :: yours.
>
> An ax often used loses its keen edge. The effectiveness of an attack is
> blunted when it becomes commonplace. Like the anonymous stalker Cecil
> basher. The more often he repeats it the more people get sick of it and
> killfile or ignore it.
He is probably somebody who you have hurt very much in the past. And
who
knows, perhaps he believes that you are indeed a sexual offender and I
understand why.
>When I attack you and say you have old photos or big
> feet, for example, some people understand that I marginalize those who
> attack you for real by doing so. Everybody's attacks become a parody. Don't
> you see it?
You are not a honest man, Neal. You are lying all the time. There is
no excuse for what you did to me.
Those are lies and you lie to all people in all the groups by making
such postings.
You are a lonely man because you constantly feel the need to hurt
others.
You also lied in a posting that I would not like myself. You are so
wrong. I do have deep respect
of myself because I try to do the best that I can. I am true. You are
not.
> > I want to make you
> > laugh.
> :: On a high level.
> >I want to make you cry.
>
> :: Why that?
>
> Crying is a release. Pent up emotions are bad for you. Crying can also be
> for happiness.
Okay, then cry. I rather laugh.
>
> :: >I want to make you blush
> ::
> :: By posting about vibrators? That doesn't make me blush, it makes me
> :: feel as somebody poured dirt over me. No good feeling.
>
> You're weird.
I am weird? You posted cheap postings. Your postings make a woman feel
abused.
>
> > and I want to make
> > you want to slap me.
>
> :: That is what I felt most of the time. You really succeeded here.
>
> :-)
>
> > You know, all things anybody would feel when they are
> > more alive than dead. I know your heart goes to Marty and I would never
> > try
> > to wrench it away.
>
> :: You could have fooled me. Your postings read often as if they had
> :: exactly this in mind.
>
> I play on your high opinion of yourself. My bad.
>
> >The only way I would want it is if you gave it freely. So
> > what are you worried about?
>
> :: I am not worried about a thing, Neal. After I returned from my
> :: vacation this year to the Mississippi, I felt actually good. I was
> :: back home again for a couple days and did not post because I feel that
> :: being on usenet means being lowered on a lower level. It does not feel
> :: good. Whatever the people post here about me (including you) is not me
> :: and I am getting real bored playing again in this mud bath.
>
> Then post more on-topic subjects. Spend more time against the
> anti-Scientology extremists. Ignore those that make you feel low.
Then I have to ignore you.
> I guess we
> have a basic difference her.
We differ in anthing, Neal, we have nothing in common and we would not
get along in real life for just a
minute. I am anything but your soulmate.
>I get a chuckle out of even the lowest posts -
> the ones from the slackers, for example, they are so pathetic and clueless.
> Where else can one go for such good entertainment.
>
> >I certainly can't pry your heart away from the
> > one to whom you have given it. You should be flattered if somebody likes
> > you - not offended and insulted.
>
> :: I was loved by people who didn't respect me, Greg. Love without
> :: respect does hurt. I have no shortage of admirer. I stay friends with
> :: those who treat me with respect. And my heart will be always belong to
> :: the original Marty.
>
> Don't let your reaction to people who don't respect you to bleed all over
> those who may.
You do not respect my rights. It was you who created living hell on
ARS.
You know perfectly that posters are people. And you hount particularly
women, and particularly me down
like a bloodthisty bitch bull.
Postings like these here, Neal, are confirming that I never want to
meet you.
>
> If I insult a photo of you do I insult you or do I insult the photo? And
> does a photo have human rights?
Don't play dumb. You know exactly that I am a person and that you lied
about me
over and over again. I took them down because I have enough from you
going on
over each detail of my body. It is exactly what sexual predators do
and that is
why I thought that the anonymous poster is right and you are indeed a
sexual
offender.
>Oh, in a post elsewhere I stated that the
> photos are, indeed, current and taken in September 2009. So you do, indeed,
> look very young and attractive. But, everybody with any common sense already
> knew this.
It is the game that you play and do you know what? The real target
that you have
is not even me. It is family de Rothschild and particularly Marty.
Your postings,
the headlines should put them off. He should think that I am old and
ugly and
have the bad character that you lie that I have.
I know what you are up to Neal and it is not working and I would not
bet that
Jesus forgives you.
>
> :: There are different kind of women on this planet. I am a very feminine
> :: one. Not feminist but feminine. I look young and fit because I work at
> :: it to be that way. It is not a coincident.
>
> Agreed! It does take work and good diet to stay fit. It says a lot about the
> individual who cares enough about his/herself to do what is right for their
> body. It will pay off in continued good health.
>
>
>
> > The things I tease you about sound horrible to you because you take them
> > literally. They aren't meant literally. They are meant to provoke a
> > reaction. So learn from these teasings and don't over react to them. Laugh
> > them off instead. Take them less seriously.
>
> :: You didn't laugh these posting off that I posted when you provoked me
> :: that much that I wanted to slap you. You didn't laugh when I posted
> :: that you could be Cecil Warren.
>
> I felt badly for you with the Cecil Warren thing because I saw how you
> managed to talk yourself into believing nonsense out of a desire for
> revenge.
That is not true. You felt badly for yourself because you were
thinking that people believe that
you are him. I didn't post for revenge. I posted out of self-defense
to get rid of your
unwanted attention, defamations, lies, forgeries, sexual harassment
and stalkings.
> Revenge is low-tone. I had hoped for better than that. But, the
> rapist postings didn't cause me any grief other than this and the fact they
> made me a little concerned for your safety and well-being.
It is not true and you retaliated. Ever since you learned that I
objected to you, you
retaliate and I would not be surprised if you retaliate again against
me after having read this
truthful posting of mine.
>
> :: Florida is full with Scientologists. Perhaps you find somebody who can
> :: tell you what humor high on the tonescale is. Because that is the
> :: humor I laugh about.
>
> > Would I even bother with you if
> > I really believed, myself, all the awful things I posted about you?
>
> :: Being a weirdo?
>
> Hey, I happen to LIKE weirdos.
No wonder that you hate me then.
>
> > But, try
> > to look at it this way. You are words on the screen. Photos sometimes. But
> > you aren't real to me.
>
> :: That means that if a person doesn't want to be defamed and abused, she
> :: rather should leave Usenet and rather hang out with a nice bunch of
> :: Mormons in her town who do not do such things.
>
> Hey, some people think any attention is better than being ignored.
I am not like these people. I always got attention in my life and it
hurts when the attention is from
people who do not grant me my rights.
>People
> posting to Usenet are attention hogs or they probably wouldn't be spending
> their time there.
Guess you talk about yourself.
>
> > I would have to meet you in person for you to be real
> > and that would spoil everything. It would ruin the game because then I
> > would
> > have to treat you like a real person. No more games then. See what I mean?
>
> :: Yes, you are mentally stuck in highschool.
>
> Games = 22.0 on the Tone Scale. An adult is happier when he does not forsake
> all his childhood perceptions.
You play downtone and hurtful games, Neal.
>
> > > How can you expect me to think that a person doing all of that is not
> > > a sexual offender?
>
> > One believes what he or she will.
>
> > > You might be lonely, but many people are. You either have to get used
> > > to it or you have to marry.
> > > You want a good looking, young, attractive, and special wife? Then get
> > > one.
> > > Nicole Smith married a man many decades her senior and why shouldn't
> > > you.
> > > But it is not me.
>
> > I know that, Barbara. And I am not lonely. I love the life I live.
> > Wouldn't
> > have it any other way. I don't want you for a wife. I am pleased to have
> > you
> > as words on a screen. I like to read your posts and your way of writing. I
> > like the way you act like a spoiled brat sometimes. Just continue to be
> > the
> > way you are and play along a little once in a while. You might find there
> > is
> > a diminsion you've missed to Usenet.
>
> :: I am considering to leave Usenet for good, Neal. And you might be just
> :: the last car rolling down that way for me...
>
> It might be a good thing for you to leave Usenet for a while, Barbara, if
> not for good.
How about if you would leave? At least ARS? You have nothing to do
with it anyway
and nobody here really likes you.
>It seems to me you derive more grief out of it than you get
> pleasure.
Thanks to you.
You believe in hell, at least this is what you claim, to be a
Christian.
And then this is where you are going. To hell. God does not want
people around him who do what you do
and what you are.
I assume you will harass me again typically in satanic ways as you did
before.
And here is another thing that you should cut out and glue on your
mirror:
I REGRET THAT I EVER ANSWERED TO ANY OF YOUR POSTINGS. I NEVER WANT TO
MEET
YOU, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE THE SAME HURTFUL, HARASSING AND
DEFAMING PERSON
IN REAL LIFE AS YOU ARE ON USENET.
You are not Cecil Warren but he is not the only one who committed
crimes and some never got caught by the
authorities but are just as bad.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> On Oct 20, 4:07 pm,Barbaraloves Marty
>
I don't have your problems. Clean your own dirt up.
Barbara Schwarz
Steady Eddy
You are right, you don't have my problems. You are a mental case. You
need to get on some meds.
Douche Bagelow
Rev. Susie the Floozie
> http://www.reverbnation.com/lonesomebucktillmanandhisdrugstorecowboys
Tater needs to meet our friend Buck.
Crissi-Topper
more some them redheads "Bob"
Crissi-Topper
> http://www.reverbnation.com/lonesomebucktillmanandhisdrugstorecowboys
They also do a great cover of "set the controls for the heart of the
sun" but it's not available there.
Gregory Hall
>
> I am not against bikini's or high heels. I have some of these too at
> home. I objected to it for these reasons:
>
> A) It was a primitive posture of the women. It was a stripper posture.
> Ladies wear high heels and they wear bikinis. But, and now listen
> carefully: ladies do not wear bikinis and high heels together, most
> certainly not in the Utah mountains. When they wear high heels, they
> wear for example an evening gown. When they wear bikinis, they wear no
> shoes at all but are barefoot.
A stripper posture to stand in a doorway with hands touching the frame? How
is that a stripper's posture? I don't get it.
You need to travel to South Florida and South Beach along the boardwalk
along the beach. You will see many women in bikinis and high heels. Women
know high heels make their legs look longer and more shapely, particularly
the calf. High heels also make their rear ends more tight looking. High
heels are particularly popular with women wearing bikinis and also a thin
wrap that you can see right through - very sexy.
> B) If people claim that I am ugly, they are lying and my real pictures
> can be used to encounter this lie.
What real pictures? You took them all down. Your Cowgirls Up site is no
more. :-(
> C) You should have asked me in advance if I allow it. I would have
> told you that I don't want this and no fight ever would have flamed
> up.
So, I screwed up. Am I too suffer for it for the rest of my life? Don't you
believe in forgiving anybody for anything?
> D) I suspect the German secret service since many years concealing my
> true ID and covering it up with pictures and IDs of other women to
> mislead my real ID to the real Marty Rathbun's. I don't accept their
> ways and I don't like anybody working for them.
C'mon, Barbara. Think about what you just said. It makes no sense. A simple
Google Search lists many articles about you - interviews, lawsuits
biographies, etc. Anybody who wants to find you should have no problem
finding you. The original Marty is not stupid. He will not be mislead by
some false information on Usenet. If you really think de Rothschild is
trying to find you then make a new Blogspot with one or two of your recent
photos. You can crop them to only show the shoulders and head if you're
uncomfortable with people looking at the rest of your body. Call the
BlogSpot "Barbara Loves Marty" and put it in your sig line frequently. You
can even include a short note to Marty in the BlogSpot about only something
you and he would know so he knows it's really you. He can easily make
contact with you in <a.r.s> even if he has to use a false name. You two have
shared so much that it should be easy to say something to you that you will
know only he would say.
See, I'm trying to help you find Marty. I am not trying to "bust you up." I
would rather see you happy in the arms of another man than by yourself.
>> 2) I did this to poke fun at those people who have photoshopped and
>> posted
>> photos of you making you appear old and ugly.
>
> E) I am not old and ugly and my own photos prove that. I don't need a
> substitute.
But, you took them down so now you're in a fix. Only the ugly Photoshopped
photos appear now.
>> 3) You were offended by the skimpy attire and high heels of the model and
>> didn't want to be associated with it. I took down the page. You posted
>> that
>> you would rather people think you were old and ugly.
>
> F) There is nothing wrong with my looks. I look just fine. I don't
> believe you that you posted the cheap model "to help me".
Believe it. I did it 1) to help you and 2) to poke fun of those who keep
calling you ugly, an old bag lady, a witch, etc. "See, you defamers, I can
make her even more pretty than you can make her ugly." This was my
motivation. I stick up for you and you hate me for it.
> If you would wanted to help me, you
> could have referred to my real
> photos and told that anybody who says that I am old and ugly needs his
> eyes checked.
True, but they could just as easily have said those photos were not you or
were Photoshopped to make you look better, etc. They would still insist
their ugly photos were real and yours were fake.
> I think that
> you rather want to conceal my real identity. You also wrote in another
> posting that if you would
> have my birth certificate, saying that I am L. Ron Hubbard's daughter
> and my marriage certificate to the real
> Marty Rathbun, you would not give them to me even if you would have
> them.
I will have to look for that post. There was a context to it that I think
you just took it out of context. I was looking for it and I found something
interesting that you won't want to see. Check this out: Posted on 9-24
> - Show quoted text -
I am not even remotely flattered by your postings, Greg. I am feeling
mainly insulted.
But I am indeed not the person who post these postings about you.
I am indeed fair, despite I know your real name and have seen photos
of you, I do not publish any of that. I tell you in the face what is
upsetting me. Not more, not less.
===================================================
[REPLY]
And thank you very much for your ethical behavior. I knew you could be
trusted so I wasn't afraid to reveal my real name to you. I might not be an
OT but I do know quality when I see it.
--
Gregory Hall
Foolish me to trust any woman, huh Barbara?
>
>
>>
>> 4) So, I gave you your wish and started saying you were old, your
>> pictures
>> were not current, your feet were large, your hair was dyed, etc.
>
> G) You are still not playing fair, Neal.
Maybe you just refuse to get it. Maybe I'm an idiot to try to argue using
logic with a woman who refuses to see logic at all. Instead of sticking to
the logical points I laid out you, like a typical woman, go off on a
tangent - a wild goose chase.
>>
>> 5) But then you became even more angry at me because you changed your
>> mind
>> and said you did not want people to think you are old and ugly.
>
> H) What you are doing is: you are manipulating the facts.
Wrong! I am stating the facts as they occurred. You claim I am manipulating
the facts then show the evidence of your claims.
>>
>> Do you see the contradiction? You created a situation where I could do
>> nothing to please you.
>
> I) Honesty is what I miss from you.
That is no answer to the question of why you created a situation where first
you said you'd rather people think you're ugly and old and beat me up when I
posted a Photoshop job of you pretty then when I did what you said you
wanted and started saying you were ugly and old you changed your mind and
decided you'd rather be seen as pretty and young. Talk about honesty! You
are being less than honest in refusing to see the contradiction you created.
You put me in a situation where I could never please you. I was damned if I
did and damned if I didn't. I don't know how to type it more clearly than
this.
>
>>
>> FOR THE RECORD, the pictures that appear on Barbara's Cowgirls Up
>> Blogspot
>>
>> http://barbara-schwarz2008.blogspot.com/2009/04/cowgirls-up.html
>> of her vacation at the fair and Mississippi River are NOT OLD PHOTOS.
>> They
>> were taken in September, 2009. Anybody who knows anything about photos
>> can
>> find this information which is stored in the code.
>>
>> As you can see, Barbara is anything but old and ugly. She is quite
>> attractive and desirable. Her feet are not overly large for her size but
>> only appear larger than they are because they are close to the camera
>> lens,
>> her hair color is natural.
>
> See how easy it is to be truthful? However, I removed the Blogspot and
> the photos because of you.
Because of me? So how come you said in another post that you took them down
because you didn't want "everybody" stalking you everywhere you went on
vacation.
>
>
>>
>> :: Yes, I checked up on you and you are in the clear as far as Cecil
>> :: Warren is concerned. But even if you are not him, the postings that
>> :: you did on me, my character, my ethics, my appearance, etc. were so
>> :: low that they could compete with Garry Scarff's harassment of me. And
>> :: that means something.
>>
>> Do you allow freedom of speech only if such freedom of speech pleases
>> you?
>
> The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that falsehoods and primitive speech and
> defamation is not covered under the
> protection of the constitution and I agree.
They did NOT! All that is considered free speech. But, one can be sued for
defamation if the plaintiff can prove damages. If there can be proved no
damages then it is NOT libel and defamation. You can't go around deciding
for everybody the definition of primitive speech and defamation, Barbara.
>
>
>> :: A security guard in the LDS library in Salt lake City saw some of
>> :: Scarff's postings against me and he was shocked beyong belief. He
>> :: would have been that too with your postings against me.
>>
>> He can think what he will. He is ignorant of the context. Context
>> matters.
>
> No Neal, you are twisting the context. I have male pen pales but they
> do ask me for my
> permission before they go ahead and do things that concern me.
You're right. I should have asked your permission first with the bikini-clad
model. But I already said I was sorry but you won't ever forgive me. You
keep beating me up and you act like it was some Federal crime or something.
>
>>
>> > The anonymous stalker really has only goal
>> > which goal is to associate my name(s) with a sex offender so they are
>> > associated together when Googled. This is his/her sick idea of revenge
>> > for
>> > some transgression real or imagined.
>>
>> ::
>> :: Yes, there is something putting up Anonymous postings on you. It is
>> :: not me and I don't know who it is. You apparently have this enemy
>> :: already before you ever
>> :: heard of me. But you are making your enemies. We were friends before
>> :: you showed me how cheap and harassing you can be.
>>
>> True, this anonymous stalker has been around for quite some time. I never
>> thought it was you. I could tell if it was you easily just by your
>> writing
>> style.
>
> I remember a posting in response to this anonymous poster and you
> claimed that I would talk to myself.
> That was wrong too. I was not that poster.
I knew that but I wanted the anonymous poster to think I didn't so he would
lower his guard. I haven't figured out who he is yet. Usually I can tell by
the way people write but he is very careful to not let anything slip. If he
thought I thought it was you he might be less careful and slip up. See -
more games and not all games have you as the chess queen.
>
>>
>> Yes, we were friends before you lost your temper over a dumb photoshopped
>> picture making you look like a beautiful model. I you think such a
>> Photoshop
>> job is cheap and low that is your right but you clearly over reacted as
>> that
>> was not my intent.
>
> I am a good looking woman. I do not need a cheap model that replaced
> me. Also it is a lie to all
> people who read the newsgroup. I do not like my real identity
> concealed. Period.
> You should have asked me before you did it.
Yes, and I said I am sorry I did not ask beforehand. How many times are
going to slap me for it? Should I start calling you DM?
>
>
>> It was posted to help you against your defamers.
>
> I posted a thousand times that I don't need help. I can defend
> myself.
> And you became with Scarff my worst defamer...
>
>>I was
>> and still am on your side.
>
> You are not on my side, Neal. You are on your case officers side.
I don't even know what a 'case officer' is, Barbara. And, I AM on your
side. If ever you needed help and were in danger in real life I would still
be happy to come to your rescue. I would be a faithful friend in person.
Believe it.
>
>
>> But, you make that almost impossible because of
>> your contradictory nature. On the one hand you say you don't want help
>> from
>> anybody but on the other hand when you don't get any help you complain
>> that
>> you are being defamed. Is it any wonder I maintain that women are not
>> logical beings?
>
> I said nothing like that. I complained against YOU defaming me. And
> you did.
> I am a lot more logical than you are and I am not twisting the truth.
Bah! You women have no clue when it comes to logic. You twist the facts to
whatever you want to fit a particular circumstance and they you make
judgments on the basis of these twisted facts. Then when another situation
arises you twist them into another directions and apply them on that basis.
It's a hopeless case trying to use logic in an argument with a woman who
goes mostly by intuition and feelings.
> Before you posted the stripper model in my photo, you posted already
> the photo of another woman and claimed
> that it is me. I posted that it would be not me, and you did it to
> conceal my real ID because you
> know that the real Marty Rathbun or his representatives might read the
> postings here.
Good grief, another slap. Are all Scientologists so slap happy?
> It is also insulting to a good looking woman as myself that you use
> photos of other women and claim
> wrongfully that it is me. My beauty can stand on its own. If people
> still claim after having seen
> my real photos that I am old and ugly they are darn liars and who
> cares about them anyway?
What about the people who only see the ugly photos from the anti and
anonymous sites? Look at it this way. Somebody who only sees your ugly
Photoshopped photos now sees one of a sexy model and he says to himself,
"That's a Photoshop job for sure so maybe the ugly photos are Photoshopped
too. So maybe I should go find some more and see for myself which is a true
photo." So, up until recently he could find some true photos on your
BlogSpot but no more since you took it down. So, now everybody will go back
to thinking the ugly photos are real.
>
>>
>> >I was distressed to see you fall for it
>> > so easily but I feel better that you researched it and learned the
>> > truth
>> > to
>> > your own satisfaction.
>>
>> ::
>> :: That anonymous poster did not make me fall for it. Your postings made
>> :: me think that you could be Cecil Warren. Yes, I know now for sure from
>> :: governmental place that you are not Cecil Warren but it doesn't undo
>> :: your horrible postings against me. I just defended myself from you. I
>> :: never started any fight with you.
>>
>> Wrong! You started the fight by your extreme reaction to the Photoshopped
>> model in the doorway. What was intended as a compliment you viewed as
>> defamation.
>
> That is a load of crap. I look good, and you know it. So why do you
> post photos OF OTHER WOMEN
> and lie that it is me? Because you want to conceal my real ID, Neal.
> That is your real motivation.
WRONG! I admitted RIGHT AWAY within a day that it was a Photoshop job and I
took it down within hours because you were so upset about it. That's how it
happened and here you are again slapping me around again. What's the use of
doing the right thing and saying I'm sorry and taking it down immediately
when you keep acting like I didn't. Next time I might as well refuse to
apologize and leave it up forever. If I'm to be slapped forever what's the
use of trying to correct a mistake?
>
>
>>But, that's OK. Diffferent strokes for different folks. People
>> fight all the time, no big deal.
>
> It is a big deal for me. I gave you a second chance, remember? After
> just about anybody was beating you up
> in the newsgroups, I felt sorry for you, asked you not constantly
> throw my name in the subject lines,
> remember? That didn't work long. I got really angry about that anti-
> semitic posting that you made about
> fine American family de Rothschild just to make them and Marty look
> bad in my eyes. Then you sexually
> harassed me in postings, then you insulted me, forged me, and the list
> goes on.
>
> No friend does that to a friend.
No friend refuses to accept an apology either. No friend won't apologize for
breaking her promise and I just posted more proof above about that broken
promise. So don't go around acting like you're blameless in all this. It's
BOTH our faults we are fighting like cats and dogs. Please be more
realistic. If you won't give an inch nothing is ever going to change.
>
>
>>It's just a bad situation if it gets too
>> carried away into real life and please note you are the one who carried
>> it
>> over into real life with your repeated claim and webbing that I was Cecil
>> Warren and a rapist.
>
> Usenet is real life, Neal. Because real people read it on the
> Internet. If what you smeared about me is not
> real life, then me thinking that after all you did that you are Cecil
> Warren is not real too.
>
I disagree. Usenet isn't real life. There is a term in Usenet called "real
lifing." This is despicable is when people post names, addresses, telephone
numbers, etc and then start harassing people in their real lives. Things
like threatening phone calls, pornographic mail through the Post Office,
subscribing them to porn magazines, trying to ruin their credit ratings,
keying their cars, and all sorts of "in person" meanness.
<snip>
>> Reject away but don't expect your doing so will alter said behavior.
>> Yours
>> is a feminist stance and entirely untenable. Men will be men and women
>> will
>> ALWAYS complain about men.
>
> That is not true, Neal. I am no feminist but you deserve all the
> feminists in the world coming after you.
> You think that a woman is a property, and this is how Taliban thinks.
> You think that you can do with a
> woman what you want and that is why you have none by your side.
>
> There are women who say that they have the best husband's in the
> world. I assume your ex-wife is not one of them.
These women who say they have the best husband in the world have a henpecked
husband if they are feminists. If they are not feminists and they say it it
is because their husband loves them even more for acting like a woman should
act - not trying to wear the pants in the marriage.
>
>>It's in their nature to complain about and
>> attempt to control that which they have no control over.
>
> You do not control my or any woman's affairs and this is why I got
> angry about you. The times where
> an uneducated woman who could not read and write was looking up to her
> bully of a man are over.
> Thanks heaven.
Bully of a man? Yes, there will always be bullies but bullies are not just
men. There are way too many feminist women these days who bully their
husbands. It's a two-way street. But, the root problem is two people not
knowing or accepting their rightful roles in a relationship.
>
> What you do not know is that there are numerous men who read ARS and
> do not post. But their e-mail and
> there are male voices that are telling that they are not like you. And
> it happened also through postings.
> Andrew Robertson is a man too. He does not agree with your postion
> towards women. And he is not alone.
> I don't know if anybody except Scarff agrees with your Taliban
> attitude. Your privacy violating ladypilot
> friend perhaps who I don't know and never had a dispute with. But
> nobody smart and educated.
These are girly men. Men who side with feminists and the feminist agenda
might as well go get a razor blade, castrate themselves on the spot and get
it over with. Get a clue. The statement that everybody is equal is an
illogical lie. It's a myth and a sham. If you have two people one of them
will be superior. If you have a million people one among them will be
superior. If you have a billion people there will one who is better than
everybody. How stupid can people be believing the lie that everybody is
equal. If everybody was equal there would be no schools because the student
would be equal to the teacher and the teacher would be able to teach the
student nothing. If everybody was equal men would be having babies, too and
women would be great boxers and knocking out half the men. If everybody was
equal then the fat lady who sings opera would be just as fast as the world
record holder for the 100 meter dash. Get a clue everybody and this includes
men and women are NOT equal.
>
> If you would respect women more, you would probably have found what
> you are looking for.
A ball and chain welded to my leg?
<snip>
>> I didn't hate it when you thought I was Cecil Warren. Rather, I feld
>> badly
>> for you because you put yourself in danger from an ex convict.
>
> I know how to help myself. He probably would have come for you first.
>
Why would he come to me? Surely he's not stupid enough to think I'm doing
those anonymous postings?
>
>>You have
>> nothing to fear from me but the ex convict might not appreciate all the
>> bad
>> publicity you give to his name. His crime was way back in 1962. He spent
>> time in prison as punishment. He was released. Who knows what the man is
>> doing now? Has he turned over a new leaf or is he still a dangerous man?
>> Why
>> would any sane woman associate herself in public with such a man?
>
> Don't give me that, Neal. I am not associated with that man. You are.
> There is at least one if not more
> people out there who associated you years before I ever heard of you
> with that man.
>
> You behaved towards me like a sexual predator and that is why I
> started to think that it could
> be indeed you.
You are clueless as to sexual predators if you think I act like one.
<snip yelling>
> I know what you are up to Neal. Your case officer and you and the non-
> American secret service that
> you work for put you up to concealing my real ID because you want the
> real Marty Rathbun to give
> up on me and you think that finding these other photos would confuse
> him and things like that.
>
> You have bad intentions towards him and me and his family.
Now, it's my turn to yell. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A CASE OFFICER IS.
> Somebody wants said that I might be the funniest women ever but with a
> very serious side.
> If I feel German secret service sneakiness, I stop joking and raise
> hell.
Lately, you've been a very serious woman with a serious times two side. I
have nothing to do with the German secret service. Why would I want to have
anything to do with Nazis and Jew Killers. These people are going straight
to hell.
>>I maintain that feminism, socialism, atheism and
>> agnosticism are all responsible in part for this sad state of affairs.
>> Women
>> need to wake up and understand THEY are a big part of the problem. As
>> long
>> as they refuse to do what they were created to do they will continue to
>> make
>> the situation worse.
>
> There is no woman and not too many men who will support you on this.
> Women's rights and atheism, socalism,
> and agnosticism are completely different shoes.
They are all "isms" and all these isms exist for a single purpose which
purpose is to deny human rights, men's rights in particular in the case of
feminism.
>>
>>
>> > I just happen to (be) very good at word play and which words and tone
>> > to
>> > use to
>> > give somebody a picture in their mind that works to my purposes. Tigger
>> > is
>> > right and Claire and Kat.
>>
>> ::
>> :: I noticed this in your forgeries of them but your forgeries of me were
>> :: not good. Some people mixed your postings up with theirs but all knew
>> :: that the postings that you made in my name where not by me...
>>
>> Much was directly copied and pasted from your past posts. :-) We view
>> ourselves differently than others see us.
>
> You wrote deliberately grammatical and syntax errors in my postings,
> which shows
> again how bad you are. I do not excuse your forgings. People who see
> the necessity to forge others are
> weak in their own arguments.
Not forgeries - froggeries. There is a difference. Google the two. To forge
is to attempt to deceive. To frog is to attempt to parody. Big difference.
If stupid people using Google are fooled then perhaps they should start
using a real news reader client and a real news service provider where it is
not so easy to be frogged. Don't blame an evolved Usenetizen if he doesn't
want to get into the Google crib with the infants.
>
>>
>> :: You posted that I would post like a 2 year old, but that is rather
>> :: what you displayed. In all my years on usenet, I never forged one
>> :: person, not even Garry Scarff. I consider it a violation of laws.
>>
>> Depends upon the intent. My forgeries aren't really forgeries at all.
>
> They are.
Are NOT. Look up the defintion of Usenet forgery. A forgery is an exact
duplication of everything - nym, email address, path, computer information,
client information, etc. I can do exact forgeries with one of my clients.
(NewsMaestro) but my News Service Provider would close my account if
somebody reported me so I don't do forgeries using alt.net. Everything I do
is entirely legal and adheres to the alt.net TOS. If I want to do a forgery
I have to find an open NNTP server and use it to post the forgery. You
Google Groups children don't know how foolish you sound talking about
Usenet. You know nothing about it.
>
>> Froggeries are what they more accurately are. I don't change my email
>> address in the headers so everybody can see right away it is a hoax.
>
> Claire was confused and didn't understand why my name is signing your
> posting, until John Dorsey pointed it
> out to her, Andrew Robertson who rarely misses anything thought that
> your posting under Claire's name
> was posted by her, I mistook one of your postings to be that of
> Shirely...
>
> People don't always have time to check everything and it also takes
> the fun out of posting.
Well, if they don't have the time or if they don't want to take the time
it's their own fault if they are fooled by the simplest of tricks. I don't
give a damn about a bunch of newbies like Claire who know nothing about the
network they use to post. Should I lower my discourse to a second grade
level just because a bunch of people are to stupid or lazy to raise their
level of knowledge to an acceptable level. I don't think so. If I had the
power I would ban Google Groups. It's a bastardization of Usenet. It
cheapens the entire network. And I'm not the only person who feels this way.
How dare Google Groupers lecture me! That's like the snot-nosed first grader
lecturing the principal who has a Ph.D. in education.
> Google calls posters "authors", an author has a right of his or her
> name to be protected.
Google has NO authority on Usenet. Your name used in the From: line has no
exclusivity. Anybody can use it. The only thing you have rights to is your
email address because that is exclusive and registered to you. If I used
your e-mail address without permission I am breaking the rules and can lose
my account for it. Your name I can use all day long. It's entirely legal and
permissible.
>
>
>> What I
>> do is more of a parody than a forgery.
>
> But it is not so. Authors have a right to
> their own identity and you have no right to forge them and try to
> confuse readers.
Wrong again, Barbara. Like I said above anybody can use any name. The only
thing that they can't use is your registered email address. That is your
only exclusive identity on Usenet.
>
> I do not say that you have to be like others or all should be the
> same. But more people
> who are honest as I am would make Usenet a better place. There are too
> many of your kind
> on Usenet.
My kind? Wow, does that ever sound judgmental. Shame on you, Barbara. Are
you what they call a 'net Nazi?" That is what they call people who try to
impose their own rules on Usenet. Google Usenet and read up on it. There is
no rule that it is only for one kind of people or another. It exists for
everybody's use.
<snip>
>> Sometimes I post
>> as a female.
>
> Thanks for the warning, LadyPilot.
I am not Lady Pilot. She goes way back and she has as good or better
understanding of Usenet as I.
>
>
>>When people reply are they replying to a female? NOT! So, how
>> do I know you are a female? Photos don't prove it. Your claiming it
>> doesn't
>> prove it. A female name in the From: line doesn't prove it. You and I
>> differ
>> when it comes to Usenet. You see people. I see words on the screen. Words
>> on
>> the screen have none of the rights of flesh and blood people.
>
> There are hundreds of people on usenet that know that I am a female
> and that this is even my
> real name. Particularly when a person posts with her real name and not
> just a nickname as
> Ladypilot, you should treat her better and with more respect.
Is your real name Barbara Schwarz? Or is it Sarah Hubbard? Or is it Barbel
Brietschnieder? Or is it Sarah Rathbun? Or is it Sarah de Rothschild? Your
Usenet name is no more real than Gregory Hall. It's an alias.
>> > > I know now 100 % hat Neal/Greg is not Cecil Warren but Neal/Greg is
>> > > nevertheless a very creepy person.
>>
>> > I am one of the nicest people you'd ever meet in real life. Really.
>> > But,
>> > you
>> > can't be blamed for thinking otherwise considering the games I play on
>> > Usenet. To me Usenet should never be considered real life. One of these
>> > days
>> > perhaps I will meet my female counterpart in somebody who views Usenet
>> > as
>> > a
>> > jousting field and who can play at my level.
>>
>> :: Then your helpmate might be a man and not a woman, Neal. Remember that
>> :: vibrator posting that you made to me? What lady would not be deeply
>> :: insulted by that?
>>
>> I remember it. Again, you miscontrued. You put yourself on the throne.
>
> On the "throne"? Who wants to be "throne" of a perverted sexual
> harassment posting?
> You approached me and you sexually harassed me.
I did not. I was poking fun at Claire and her vibrator "how to" that she
webbed as a poke at L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. I said something like,
"You sound addled or discombobulated, did Claire send you one of her
vibrators?" Duh! The joke is clearly on Claire - not you. Anybody can see
that. Only you tend to make everything about yourself alone.
>
>>But,
>> the throne was already occuppied by Claire Swazey. The post was written
>> to
>> poke fun at Claire. She was the object of derision, not you.
>
> You want to be the most smartest man ever but you don't understand
> when you post if I would now
> use Claire's vibrator that I would consider this sexual harassment?
> What is wrong with you, Neal?
See above explanation. I could have said the same thing in a post to Garry
Scarff, for example. Do you think Garry would think I was making fun of HIM?
I don't think so. He would know my purpose was to poke fun at Claire. Garry
Scarff probably would have just laughed at the joke her Claire's expense. I
guess we men have a more evolved sense of humor than you overly sensitive
women.
>
>
>
>> Have you ever
>> watched on TV something called a "Celebrity Roast?" This is where some
>> celebrity is "honored" as the center of attraction and all the other
>> celebrities give a short speech saying all kinds of awful and mean things
>> about him. Everybody laughs and has a good time even the celebrity being
>> roasted. In the end he gets to get up and give a speech where he then
>> bashes
>> his tormentors. He gets even. It's all in fun.
>
> There are many TV shows in bad taste. However, I doubt that anybody in
> that show was asked if she
> uses Claire's vibrator now.
They would ask that and worst. Some are very ribald. If George Bush was
being roasted and Al Gore said to him something like, "You seem addled
tonight, George, did Bill Clinton give you a Monica scented cigar to smoke?"
The joke would be on Bill Clinton and not on Monica Lewinski. Get it now?
>
> Instead of being fair to somebody pure, you try to pull her down.
Believe it or not, I am treating you like an equal. You should consider that
treatment a high compliment. I don't treat people like an equal if I really
believe they are inferior. This is why I don't give Claire, Tigger, Kat,
Monica, Maureen, Barbz and any other women here the time of day. They are
just more of the clutter and somebody to slap around from time to time. I
have no respect for them and I have a lot of respect for you. I just show my
respect by treating them like an equal. I don't pull any punches with an
equal. This is what you can't understand.
<snip>
> And here we differ again. I never posted a nasty thing about Shirely.
> I ignored her for years.
> Sometimes she would ask me something, and when I had time and was in
> the mood, I answered her.
> One day, perhaps too much medication, she tried to organize a campaign
> to deny my access to ARS or
> entirely to the Internet. That is when I put Shirely Jean Wilson aka
> Tigger in my signature line.
>
> However, I decided to ignore her as much as possible now after you
> checked her police record and found her
> high age. I did the same with Ida Chamburn who is on the RFW. I do not
> want to be part in anybody's stroke
> or death,it doesn't matter how nasty they are. Besides, an old and
> tired SP is better than a young and fit
> one.
I didn't check Tigger's police record. I Googled her and her public
information came up on Intellus which is a public database. I didn't pay for
any detailed information. I only saw what they list for free. Anybody can do
such a search.
<snip>.
>>
>> Here is a good point. Apparent we two have completely different outlooks
>> on
>> this. I believe if people are stupid enough to believe something without
>> checking it out then they aren't worth worrying about. They and their
>> stupidity can be dismissed. If I am concerned what a bunch of morons
>> think
>> about me than that makes me a moron, too.
>
> But again, you didn't like the Cecil Warren postings. Why did you get
> so mad then?
> It should have not bothered you because just morons would believe it,
> right?
> But it did bother you.
The Cecil Warren posts don't bother me because anybody with any brains knows
we aren't the same person. In other words those who would believe it are
morons - no offense intended because you came to your senses and checked it
out so you're no moron.
>
> People have not much time. Anybody of us is missing things because we
> do not have
> the time to research deeply or overlook things, just as I did when you
> posted that
> malicious SP declare on the name Marty Rathbun.
The declare was just a joke. It didn't fool anybody. Even you, when you woke
up the next day and looked again, realized it was a joke. And, it was a
joke on the doppelganger Marty as he is the only Marty in evidence these
days.
<snip>
>> That's why I'm surprised you refused to apologize to me for your broken
>> promise to not reveal my real name.
>
> Not again this. Here are the facts. You offered me your name. It was
> just about the first
> thing that you wrote to me, your real name, Neal Warren. You never
> asked me to conceal
> your real name. You wrote: My name is Neal Warren but you can call me
> Greg on Usenet.
That's true but then you freely and without any prompting from me said you
would not reveal my real name on usenet and later on in a post here you
said:
> - Show quoted text -
I am not even remotely flattered by your postings, Greg. I am feeling
mainly insulted.
But I am indeed not the person who post these postings about you.
I am indeed fair, despite I know your real name and have seen photos
of you, I do not publish any of that. I tell you in the face what is
upsetting me. Not more, not less.
===================================================
[REPLY]
And thank you very much for your ethical behavior. I knew you could be
trusted so I wasn't afraid to reveal my real name to you. I might not be an
OT but I do know quality when I see it.
--
Gregory Hall
>
> CAN call me, not you have to call me. I made an offer myself that I
> will not use your name on
> Usenet. It was an offer, which I took back not even immediately after
> you tried to conceal my
> identity, photoshopped my pics and these other things. I decided to
> publish your name when
> you turned into a sexual predator and harassed me beyond belief.
It was a promise - a statement of fact as buttressed by what you posted
immediately above. You went back on your word. You lied. You still owe man
an apology.
>
>
>
>> That was clearly a lie and the best way
>> to divest yourself of a lie is to apologize for it and to intend to not
>> lie
>> again in the future.
>
> That a person who lies as much as you do even has the guts to ask me
> that.
>
Don't worry about me. I am a hopeless case. But, you have a reputation to
worry about. To protect your reputation you must not persist in any lies.
You must keep your good reputation by admitting you went back on your word
and will try hard in the future no matter how upset you become to hold true
to your word no matter what. That is the mark of an evolved being, is it
not?
>
>>Everybody lies once in a while either intentionally or
>> unintentionally. Nobody is perfect. But, everybody is able to recognize a
>> lie and atone for it. It's the right thing to do.
>
> You are anything but a good person, Neal. You have no right to ask me
> anything.
> You owe me hundreds of apologies. And you started any problem.
I'm sorry for that and I apologized for that starting. (the model in the
bikini) but if you refuse my apology then what am I to do?
<snip>
>>
>> :: That was a real nasty one.
>>
>> I know, I was just giving you a dose of your own medicine. Calling
>> somebody
>> a rapist is rather nasty as well. ;-)
>
> I write this in big letters so that you really are understanding this.
> AFTER YOU SEXUALLY HARASSED ME
> AND CYBERSTALKED ME BEYOND BELIEF AND AFTER YOU STARTED FORGING, I
> TRULY BELIEVED THAT YOU ARE THE
> SEXUAL OFFENDER. IT WAS NO LIE. I BELIEVED IT IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE I
> CAN'T IMAGINE THAT A PERSON AS
> PERVERTED AS YOU WAS NEVER INCARCERATED FOR SEXUAL OR OTHER CRIMES.
Nevertheless it was still nasty because your belief turned out to be in
error.
>> You lost me. I was just saying I don't have any ulterior motives other
>> than
>> playing with you but only on Usenet - not in real life.
>
> You want to destroy people, Neal. That is your ultimate goal. Marty
> Rathbun did never anything
> to you but you posted really horrible lies about him. John Travolta
> never did something to you
> but you target him too despite people say that he is a real nice
> fellow. You want to harm and
> hurt, Neal as this is your true nature.
These are public figures. They are fair game. I can post my thoughts about
them. If they are hurt by my thoughts then so be it. It's something THEY
have to clear.
>>
>> :: If your teasing is low, Neal, than I will either again (be) in your
>> face
>> or
>> :: the other alternative is that I will leave Usenet because why should I
>> :: allow others to insult me. It often seems to me that you are stuck in
>> :: highschool and constantly pull at the braids of the girls but then
>> :: don't be surprised that they do not like you.
>>
>> That's IT! But, consider this, the braids that get pulled most are those
>> attached to heads that let it bother them the most. ;-) Would you
>> continue
>> to pull Tigger's braids if she ignored you?
>
> I never pulled Tigger's braids. She targeted me without having the
> slightest reason and
> I didn't let her get away with it.
That's funny, you pull her braids every chance you get - even in unrelated
posts. But, that's OK with me. She deserves it. She asked for it. But don't
say it's all her fault because it takes two to Tango.
>
> If you pull the brains of girls that are hurt as most by it, you are a
> sadist.
Negative, my behavior is conditioned by the behavior of others. If I pull
the braids of somebody and they turn around and whack me upside the head
with a book and knock me out flat on the floor I will probably not bother
her braids again. If, on the other hand, she whines complains and blubbers,
I might keep doing it to show her she needs to grow up or fight back. Think
of it this way. If somebody would have pulled the braids of people DM
slapped around perhaps at the first slap they would have clobbered him with
a fist or shot him with a gun and the problem would be solved. Whining and
complaining just prolongs the problem.
>>
>> > I want
>> > to show there is another side to Usenet than just strict and somewhat
>> > dull
>> > reality.
>>
>> :: After these bad flame wars, some strict and dull reality would be kind
>> :: of nice.
>>
>> I think you value peace and quite and truth and security more than I do,
>> Barbara.
>
> You are a war maker, Neal, no doubt about it.
Real men are warriors. I was born in the wrong century.
>
>
>>I enjoy some chaos and noise, some lies and illogic to examine and
>> refute and some insecurity. Chaos makes me feel more alive. Why else
>> would I
>> be living aboard a boat in hurricane country. If you would feel alive try
>> riding out a hurricane in a small boat.
>
> You like hurting people. And here you differ very much from me because
> I do not want to hurt them.
> I just hit back when I can't take their abuse anymore.
C'mon, Barbara, be honest. When you hit back you want to hurt them. Are we
so different? If we are different it's mostly a matter of degree. That's one
reason I think we would make a fine pair. But, don't worry. I am not
pursuing you. You are for Marty only.
>
>>
>> >I want to expand your understanding of burlesque and parody.
>>
>> :: It must be on a high tonelevel otherwise I don't take that train.
>>
>> It's called GAMES. It is a 22.0 on the Tone Scale. That's one reason you
>> need to play more games. Usenet is a great game if you wish to use it as
>> such.
>
> High on the tonescale are the good games that do not hurt the innocent
> and the good.
> But war games and hurt games as you are playing and very low on the
> scale.
>
I see nothing on the tone scale about good and bad games. It just says
'Games.' This is why DM makes people spin around until they are dizzy or
slaps them around. He's playing games and the people he plays with are too
dumb to realize this and to turn the game around and play it right back on
him. I can understand why LRH assigned a high number to games because to
play games it so engage in an alternate reality. War games are games
nonetheless. Scientology is engaged in a game of war against those who fight
against Scientology, don't you think?"
>>
>> >I want
>> > to help you sometimes when people attack you for real.
>>
>> :: Neal, understand that I really do not need defense. Even if the entire
>> :: world beats me up, I will be always standing. I am so much stronger in
>> :: my personality than anyone here thinks.
>>
>> But, please consider that the helper sometimes helps also because it
>> makes
>> him feel better about himself.
>
> How can all that, that you did to me (and others) make you even
> remotely feel better.
> I would be completely ashamed having done what you did.
We have different standards, that's all. I am much more worldly. You are
quite naive and that is so charming.
>
>
>> Would you deny people the chance to do a good
>> deed? To be ethical. To be humane? To be Christian?
>
> Since I met you, my belief in Christianity sunk even deeper.
Ah, that's to bad. I guess I am not the best ambassador. Too outspoken.
I've been told this before. But, I don't think I'll ever believe in a
whitewash job. The truth needs to be told even if it puts some people off.
If they have any chance at salvation they'll come around.
>>
>> :: And how can you help me by attacking me yourself? The posting of the
>> :: people who attack me where most of the time more harmless than
>> :: yours.
>>
>> An ax often used loses its keen edge. The effectiveness of an attack is
>> blunted when it becomes commonplace. Like the anonymous stalker Cecil
>> basher. The more often he repeats it the more people get sick of it and
>> killfile or ignore it.
>
> He is probably somebody who you have hurt very much in the past. And
> who
> knows, perhaps he believes that you are indeed a sexual offender and I
> understand why.
I don't know for sure but I can guess. There is a real sex offender who had
to register in California that I posted webbed information about because he
was harassing me. I think it might be this guy trying to do to me what I did
to him. The only difference is his sex offender record is real while he has
to make up something about me. I would post a link to whom I refer but that
would be not be ethical as I don't know for sure. But, if you're interested
I can e-mail it to you if you agree to not post it either no matter how
upset you get about something.
>
>
>>When I attack you and say you have old photos or big
>> feet, for example, some people understand that I marginalize those who
>> attack you for real by doing so. Everybody's attacks become a parody.
>> Don't
>> you see it?
>
> You are not a honest man, Neal. You are lying all the time. There is
> no excuse for what you did to me.
> Those are lies and you lie to all people in all the groups by making
> such postings.
A close examination of Usenet will reveal probably more lies that truth.
Join the crowd. The good thing about people lying about something is it's
not very hard to prove they are lying and in the proving one often learns a
lot.
>
> You are a lonely man because you constantly feel the need to hurt
> others.
>
> You also lied in a posting that I would not like myself. You are so
> wrong. I do have deep respect
> of myself because I try to do the best that I can. I am true. You are
> not.
You do try hard, I'll give you that. But, you are often conflicted by
contradictory statements and beliefs. This makes your job very difficult.
But, generally you do a pretty good job so I say to you, atta girl.
>
>
>> > I want to make you
>> > laugh.
>> :: On a high level.
>> >I want to make you cry.
>>
>> :: Why that?
>>
>> Crying is a release. Pent up emotions are bad for you. Crying can also be
>> for happiness.
>
> Okay, then cry. I rather laugh.
>>
>> :: >I want to make you blush
>> ::
>> :: By posting about vibrators? That doesn't make me blush, it makes me
>> :: feel as somebody poured dirt over me. No good feeling.
>>
>> You're weird.
>
> I am weird? You posted cheap postings. Your postings make a woman feel
> abused.
Barbara, I hope you realize you are not the typical woman. You are too pure
for this day and age of loose morals and unethical behavior.
>>
>> > and I want to make
>> > you want to slap me.
>>
>> :: That is what I felt most of the time. You really succeeded here.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> > You know, all things anybody would feel when they are
>> > more alive than dead. I know your heart goes to Marty and I would never
>> > try
>> > to wrench it away.
>>
>> :: You could have fooled me. Your postings read often as if they had
>> :: exactly this in mind.
>>
>> I play on your high opinion of yourself. My bad.
>>
>> >The only way I would want it is if you gave it freely. So
>> > what are you worried about?
>>
>> :: I am not worried about a thing, Neal. After I returned from my
>> :: vacation this year to the Mississippi, I felt actually good. I was
>> :: back home again for a couple days and did not post because I feel that
>> :: being on usenet means being lowered on a lower level. It does not feel
>> :: good. Whatever the people post here about me (including you) is not me
>> :: and I am getting real bored playing again in this mud bath.
>>
>> Then post more on-topic subjects. Spend more time against the
>> anti-Scientology extremists. Ignore those that make you feel low.
>
> Then I have to ignore you.
Ha ha, There is finally some of that high humor you talk about. Based on
truth so it's funny.
>
>> I guess we
>> have a basic difference her.
>
> We differ in anthing, Neal, we have nothing in common and we would not
> get along in real life for just a
> minute. I am anything but your soulmate.
But fighting can be fun and stimulating. Not physical fighting (at least
with women because they are to weak and fragile) but mind fighting. I used
to do some boxing. I can tell you that fighting with men is great and very
stimulating. There can be no argument which is the better man in the ring.
One learn humility there if nowhere else.
>
>
>>I get a chuckle out of even the lowest posts -
>> the ones from the slackers, for example, they are so pathetic and
>> clueless.
>> Where else can one go for such good entertainment.
>>
>> >I certainly can't pry your heart away from the
>> > one to whom you have given it. You should be flattered if somebody
>> > likes
>> > you - not offended and insulted.
>>
>> :: I was loved by people who didn't respect me, Greg. Love without
>> :: respect does hurt. I have no shortage of admirer. I stay friends with
>> :: those who treat me with respect. And my heart will be always belong to
>> :: the original Marty.
>>
>> Don't let your reaction to people who don't respect you to bleed all over
>> those who may.
>
> You do not respect my rights. It was you who created living hell on
> ARS.
Bwaahahhahahahahhahaha. Maybe so.
I have laid waste to more than one newsgroup. But, <a.r.s> is tough. It will
not be laid waste easily and without a fight. Even if many subscribers
stupidly use Google Groups to post some of these people are actually quite
intelligent. I could destroy <a.r.s> and turn it into a smoking crater but
it would take lots of hours each day and I would not do it for free. Now, if
the C o S would pay me, I might consider it but I don't think the C o S
worries about the natterers.
That's cute. I guess you meant pit bull? Don't worry, these women in here
are no dummies. (Except maybe for Monica). I think they can fight back with
the best of them. Even Tigger is no slouch. ;-)
>
> Postings like these here, Neal, are confirming that I never want to
> meet you.
>
It's your loss. Your choice. Your right. I like you just fine as words on
the screen. You are so different that I'll never get sick of you.
>
>>
>> If I insult a photo of you do I insult you or do I insult the photo? And
>> does a photo have human rights?
>
> Don't play dumb. You know exactly that I am a person and that you lied
> about me
> over and over again. I took them down because I have enough from you
> going on
> over each detail of my body. It is exactly what sexual predators do
> and that is
> why I thought that the anonymous poster is right and you are indeed a
> sexual
> offender.
So I have eyes wide open. I see everything. If you would not be admired then
don't post photos of yourself on the web. If somebody admires a photo can it
be said they are a sexual predator? I don't think so. It's pretty hard to
use a webbed photo as sex prey. Admit it, I think you got freaked out
because I know how to read hidden information from photos that tells the
date, the time, the camera specs, the focal length, the f-stop etc. etc.
But, most anybody who edits photos with Photoshop knows all those things. No
big deal. I did notice that a few of your photos had this information
stripped out completely. This tells me some of them were run through a photo
editor or maybe saved multiple times or to a CD where the hidden information
wasn't included.
But, just because I'm very observant it doesn't follow that I'm any kind of
a predator.
>
>
>>Oh, in a post elsewhere I stated that the
>> photos are, indeed, current and taken in September 2009. So you do,
>> indeed,
>> look very young and attractive. But, everybody with any common sense
>> already
>> knew this.
>
> It is the game that you play and do you know what? The real target
> that you have
> is not even me. It is family de Rothschild and particularly Marty.
> Your postings,
> the headlines should put them off. He should think that I am old and
> ugly and
> have the bad character that you lie that I have.
I'll admit it. I don't like the real Marty. Look what he's done to you.
You'd be better off in my opinion if you'd never met him. How can he claim
to love you and desert you like he has? There is NO excuse for his behavior.
As for the de Rothschild family, I couldn't care less about them. If I were
the de Rothschild family I would disown anybody who used an alias like Marty
Rathbun. If a man is ashamed of his own family name and has to change it
then he doesn't deserver my respect.
>
> I know what you are up to Neal and it is not working and I would not
> bet that
> Jesus forgives you.
Jesus forgives those who ask for forgiveness. It's so simple I don't really
understand why everybody doesn't ask for His forgiveness. If a soul and
eternal life is at stake why take a chance on a negative outcome by betting
against Him? That's just plain dumb.
I told you about three times and I guess I tell you again before you get it
through your stubborn skull that the Cecil Warren nonsense doesn't bother me
in the least. The biggest bother is clicking delete to clear most of that
crap from taking up space among posts I want to read.
Remember the braids being pulled? The more you whine and complain about my
perceived transgressions the more it tempts me to pull your braids some
more. I have many child like behaviors still left inside. It keeps me young.
>
>> Revenge is low-tone. I had hoped for better than that. But, the
>> rapist postings didn't cause me any grief other than this and the fact
>> they
>> made me a little concerned for your safety and well-being.
>
> It is not true and you retaliated. Ever since you learned that I
> objected to you, you
> retaliate and I would not be surprised if you retaliate again against
> me after having read this
> truthful posting of mine.
I am trying to behave though I'd like to take you over my knee and swat you
with a paddle. I said I would try to be more civil and I meant it. But, this
doesn't mean I'll get down on my knees and worship at your feet. I don't
think even you would really respect any man who acted like a slave.
>>
>> :: Florida is full with Scientologists. Perhaps you find somebody who can
>> :: tell you what humor high on the tonescale is. Because that is the
>> :: humor I laugh about.
>>
>> > Would I even bother with you if
>> > I really believed, myself, all the awful things I posted about you?
>>
>> :: Being a weirdo?
>>
>> Hey, I happen to LIKE weirdos.
>
> No wonder that you hate me then.
More high humor! :-)
>>
>> > But, try
>> > to look at it this way. You are words on the screen. Photos sometimes.
>> > But
>> > you aren't real to me.
>>
>> :: That means that if a person doesn't want to be defamed and abused, she
>> :: rather should leave Usenet and rather hang out with a nice bunch of
>> :: Mormons in her town who do not do such things.
>>
>> Hey, some people think any attention is better than being ignored.
>
> I am not like these people. I always got attention in my life and it
> hurts when the attention is from
> people who do not grant me my rights.
The Constitution of the country in which you live guarantees you the right
to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I deny you none of these. The
Bill of rights guarantees you free speech. I don't deny your free speech.
You have the right to bear arms. To vote. (that Amendment was a mistake
woman's suffrage was a huge mistake). You have the right to worship as you
please, etc. etc. I am denying you none of these rights. I will fight by
your side for them rather than attempt to deny you them. Believe it.
>
>
>>People
>> posting to Usenet are attention hogs or they probably wouldn't be
>> spending
>> their time there.
>
> Guess you talk about yourself.
Yes, that would be fairly accurate. It applies to me too, I admit it.
>
>>
>> > I would have to meet you in person for you to be real
>> > and that would spoil everything. It would ruin the game because then I
>> > would
>> > have to treat you like a real person. No more games then. See what I
>> > mean?
>>
>> :: Yes, you are mentally stuck in highschool.
>>
>> Games = 22.0 on the Tone Scale. An adult is happier when he does not
>> forsake
>> all his childhood perceptions.
>
> You play downtone and hurtful games, Neal.
Downtone is in the eye of the beholder. Clear yourself of it.
All the more reason to stay longer. But, I'll try to stay out of more of
your threads if they don't interest me.
>
>>It seems to me you derive more grief out of it than you get
>> pleasure.
>
> Thanks to you.
>
> You believe in hell, at least this is what you claim, to be a
> Christian.
> And then this is where you are going. To hell. God does not want
> people around him who do what you do
> and what you are.
God also has a great sense of humor. I know this because God created mankind
in His image. This means men and God think alike and laugh alike. People who
think they are perfect like God are the problem - people who take themselves
too seriously and can't laugh at themselves are an affront to God. God is
the only perfection. God created mankind to learn perfection, not to BE
perfection.
>
>
> I assume you will harass me again typically in satanic ways as you did
> before.
I will try to be more kind to you but this does not mean I will worship you.
>
> And here is another thing that you should cut out and glue on your
> mirror:
>
> I REGRET THAT I EVER ANSWERED TO ANY OF YOUR POSTINGS. I NEVER WANT TO
> MEET
> YOU, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE THE SAME HURTFUL, HARASSING AND
> DEFAMING PERSON
> IN REAL LIFE AS YOU ARE ON USENET.
>
> You are not Cecil Warren but he is not the only one who committed
> crimes and some never got caught by the
> authorities but are just as bad.
>
I'd love the opportunity to prove you wrong but I won't push you. Take your
time. If any move is to be made it will have to be made by you. So, not to
worry. You are in total control.
"The search for and the attainment of pleasure is not less valid in
survival than the avoidance of pain." -- L. Ron Hubbard
--
Gregory Hall
Dagny Taggart
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
> I do act pretty bad sometimes but, in spite of what it appears, I rarely
> have bad intentions. I just enjoy the give and take and the games that can
> be played on Usenet. Sometimes I think everybody will understand this but,
> alas, most people don't seem to. Most people take everything way too
> seriously. For me Usenet is an escape from reality and a virtual game
> using words instead of moving pictures and virtual weapons like guns,
> swords, hand grenades, Mech Warriors, etc.
Andrew said, your kidding...right? What about the Mech duel? hehee
Gregory Hall
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Gregory Hall
CHUCKkey
It's not on his "best of" album, but I'm sure I can dig it up.
http://kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=PX00CO5AIQ
Dagny Taggart
"Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
> "Dagny Taggart" wrote:
>>
>> Andrew said, your kidding...right? What about the Mech duel? hehee
>>
>
>
> ixnay ethay Echmay Arriorway uelday
>
> http://users.snowcrest.net/donnelly/piglatin.html
I can't translate from Pig & Babbles, from English. You're going to have to
do it yourself, birdbrain.