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999Vulcan
Aug 30, 2018, 10:09:36 AM8/30/18
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A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
“The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
Is President Donald Trump a perversion of the American conservative movement — or simply an honest reflection of what it’s been for decades?
Ever since Trump’s victory in the Republican primary, this has been one of the big questions hanging over American politics. If Trump’s anti-intellectual and race-baiting brand of politics is a parasite on the American right, then it’s possible the Republican Party can be cleaned up after him. That’s the premise of the so-called Never Trump movement, a small group of Republican elites and conservative intellectuals who have denounced the president and his allies in no uncertain terms.
But it’s possible the Never Trumpers are wrong. It could be that they’re the ones who have been deluding themselves into thinking that the conservative movement is a higher intellectual calling, when in fact it’s been a cover for a shallow and vicious brand of white identity politics for decades. If that’s true, then there’s no coming back from Trumpism. The conservative movement and its core institutions need to be radically reformed, if not outright abolished and rebuilt.
One of the most prominent Never Trumpers, former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum, posed precisely this question at the end of an Atlantic essay on conservative polemicist and convicted felon Dinesh D’Souza. “Did they really change so much?” Frum muses about his Trump supporting allies, “Or did I?” Seth Cotlar, a professor of American history at Willamette University, set out to answer Frum’s question in a lengthy and extremely worthwhile Twitter thread — and suggested an answer the Never Trumper won’t like.
“The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
Is President Donald Trump a perversion of the American conservative movement — or simply an honest reflection of what it’s been for decades?
Ever since Trump’s victory in the Republican primary, this has been one of the big questions hanging over American politics. If Trump’s anti-intellectual and race-baiting brand of politics is a parasite on the American right, then it’s possible the Republican Party can be cleaned up after him. That’s the premise of the so-called Never Trump movement, a small group of Republican elites and conservative intellectuals who have denounced the president and his allies in no uncertain terms.
But it’s possible the Never Trumpers are wrong. It could be that they’re the ones who have been deluding themselves into thinking that the conservative movement is a higher intellectual calling, when in fact it’s been a cover for a shallow and vicious brand of white identity politics for decades. If that’s true, then there’s no coming back from Trumpism. The conservative movement and its core institutions need to be radically reformed, if not outright abolished and rebuilt.
One of the most prominent Never Trumpers, former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum, posed precisely this question at the end of an Atlantic essay on conservative polemicist and convicted felon Dinesh D’Souza. “Did they really change so much?” Frum muses about his Trump supporting allies, “Or did I?” Seth Cotlar, a professor of American history at Willamette University, set out to answer Frum’s question in a lengthy and extremely worthwhile Twitter thread — and suggested an answer the Never Trumper won’t like.
999Vulcan
Aug 30, 2018, 10:23:04 AM8/30/18
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On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:09:36 AM UTC-4, 999Vulcan wrote:
> A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
> “The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
>
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil
> A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
> “The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
>
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
Since the 1950s, the conservative movement has justified bad behavior—including supporting Donald Trump—by persuading itself that the left is worse.
https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/how-the-right-wing-convinces-itself-that-liberals-are-evil
f you spend any time consuming right-wing media in America, you quickly learn the following: Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.
This belief in a broad liberal conspiracy is standard in the highest echelons of the conservative establishment and right-wing media. The Russia investigation is dismissed, from the president on down, as a politicized witch hunt. George Soros supposedly paid $300 to each participant in the “March for Our Lives” in March. (Disclosure: I marched that day, and I’m still awaiting my check.) What is less well appreciated by liberals is that the language of conspiracy is often used to justify similar behavior on the right. The Russia investigation is not just a witch hunt, it’s the product of the real scandal, which is Hillary-Russia-Obama-FBI collusion, so we must investigate *that*. Soros funds paid campus protestors, so Turning Point USA needs millions of dollars from Republican donors to win university elections. The liberal academic establishment prevents conservative voices from getting plum faculty jobs, so the Koch Foundation needs to give millions of dollars to universities with strings very much attached.
This did not begin with Donald Trump. The modern Republican Party may be particularly apt to push conspiracy theories to rationalize its complicity with a staggeringly corrupt administration, but this is an extension of, not a break from, a much longer history. Since its very beginning, in the 1950s, members of the modern conservative movement have justified bad behavior by convincing themselves that the other side is worse.
999Vulcan
Aug 30, 2018, 10:23:44 AM8/30/18
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Yury Mukharsky
Aug 30, 2018, 10:37:47 AM8/30/18
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:23:03 -0700 (PDT), 999Vulcan wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:09:36 AM UTC-4, 999Vulcan wrote:
>> A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
>> “The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
>
> How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil
Костя, Вам бы лучше заняться противоположенным вопросом. А этот оставить,
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:09:36 AM UTC-4, 999Vulcan wrote:
>> A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
>> “The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ’90s conservatism.”
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
>
> How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil
скажем, Окраинцу. Глядишь, у обоих немножко уменьшилась бы окаменелость
мозгов.
Юра
999Vulcan
Aug 30, 2018, 11:47:12 AM8/30/18
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я и сам где-то conservative
трамписты - да, evil. and stupid. which is even worse
Sergey Kubushyn
Aug 30, 2018, 1:37:55 PM8/30/18
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приступ ику, нужен срочный укол в ж@опу.
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Aug 30, 2018, 3:36:13 PM8/30/18
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> ?The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ?90s conservatism.?
> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
> Is President Donald Trump a perversion of the American conservative movement ? or simply an honest reflection of what it?s been for decades?
> Ever since Trump?s victory in the Republican primary, this has been one of the big questions hanging over American politics. If Trump?s anti-intellectual and race-baiting brand of politics is a parasite on the American right, then it?s possible the Republican Party can be cleaned up after him. That?s the premise of the so-called Never Trump movement, a small group of Republican elites and conservative intellectuals who have denounced the president and his allies in no uncertain terms.
Начать с того, что оно не анти-интеллектуальное.
И не race-baiting.
> But it?s possible the Never Trumpers are wrong. It could be that they?re the ones who have been deluding themselves into thinking that the conservative movement is a higher intellectual calling, when in fact it?s been a cover for a shallow and vicious brand of white identity politics for decades. If that?s true, then there?s no coming back from Trumpism. The conservative movement and its core institutions need to be radically reformed, if not outright abolished and rebuilt.
White identity politics ?
Really ?
Надо же, как фройдистски чушь прёт из "интеллектуалов".
Буквально в каждом предложении содержится не менее трех лжей.
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> https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
> Is President Donald Trump a perversion of the American conservative movement ? or simply an honest reflection of what it?s been for decades?
> Ever since Trump?s victory in the Republican primary, this has been one of the big questions hanging over American politics. If Trump?s anti-intellectual and race-baiting brand of politics is a parasite on the American right, then it?s possible the Republican Party can be cleaned up after him. That?s the premise of the so-called Never Trump movement, a small group of Republican elites and conservative intellectuals who have denounced the president and his allies in no uncertain terms.
Начать с того, что оно не анти-интеллектуальное.
И не race-baiting.
> But it?s possible the Never Trumpers are wrong. It could be that they?re the ones who have been deluding themselves into thinking that the conservative movement is a higher intellectual calling, when in fact it?s been a cover for a shallow and vicious brand of white identity politics for decades. If that?s true, then there?s no coming back from Trumpism. The conservative movement and its core institutions need to be radically reformed, if not outright abolished and rebuilt.
White identity politics ?
Really ?
Надо же, как фройдистски чушь прёт из "интеллектуалов".
Буквально в каждом предложении содержится не менее трех лжей.
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Aug 30, 2018, 3:41:12 PM8/30/18
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999Vulcan <z...@vulakh.us> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:09:36 AM UTC-4, 999Vulcan wrote:
> > A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
> > ?The embryo of Trumpism [was] lurking within ?90s conservatism.?
> On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 10:09:36 AM UTC-4, 999Vulcan wrote:
> > A historian explains how mainstream conservatives made Trump
> >
> > https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
> How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil
> Since the 1950s, the conservative movement has justified bad behavior?including supporting Donald Trump?by persuading itself that the left is worse.
> > https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/13/17683416/trump-republican-party-conservatives-seth-cotlar
> How the Right Wing Convinces Itself That Liberals Are Evil
> https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/how-the-right-wing-convinces-itself-that-liberals-are-evil
> f you spend any time consuming right-wing media in America, you quickly learn the following: Liberals are responsible for racism, slavery, and the Ku Klux Klan. They admire Mussolini and Hitler, and modern liberalism is little different from fascism or, even worse, communism. The mainstream media and academia cannot be trusted because of the pervasive, totalitarian nature of liberal culture.
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Aug 30, 2018, 3:41:13 PM8/30/18
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999Vulcan <z...@vulakh.us> wrote:
> The idea that the left is depraved, corrupt, and ruthless has been an important strain of American conservatism since the movement began. But in the Trump era, it has metastasized. Right-wing policy ideas have been so thoroughly discredited?does anyone even argue anymore that trickle-down economics will ensure mass prosperity??that the only apparent reason for conservatism?s existence is to fight back against evil liberals. This is, of course, not the sign of a healthy political movement. The right?s support for McCarthy has been a long-standing embarrassment for American conservatism. Its embrace of Trump may be history repeating itself.
Казалось бы, узнав про советских шпионов и про реальный
советизм среди американских "интеллектуалов", разумный
человек мог бы заключить, что единственное, что было
не так с McCarthy - это то, что он сделал мало
и недостаточно.
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> The idea that the left is depraved, corrupt, and ruthless has been an important strain of American conservatism since the movement began. But in the Trump era, it has metastasized. Right-wing policy ideas have been so thoroughly discredited?does anyone even argue anymore that trickle-down economics will ensure mass prosperity??that the only apparent reason for conservatism?s existence is to fight back against evil liberals. This is, of course, not the sign of a healthy political movement. The right?s support for McCarthy has been a long-standing embarrassment for American conservatism. Its embrace of Trump may be history repeating itself.
Казалось бы, узнав про советских шпионов и про реальный
советизм среди американских "интеллектуалов", разумный
человек мог бы заключить, что единственное, что было
не так с McCarthy - это то, что он сделал мало
и недостаточно.
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