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Where are all the jobs that the Tea Party promised us?

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Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 27, 2012, 10:54:41 PM10/27/12
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Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
jobs they were going to create?

Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
bastards out.

TMT

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 27, 2012, 11:59:12 PM10/27/12
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They are in the future if the American public were crazy enough to
bet against America by electing Romney, and most likely in China.

Romney's 12 Million Jobs Math Yet Another Dishonest Bait And Switch

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/18/romneys-12-million-jobs-math-yet-another-dishonest-bait-and-switch/

Glenn Kessler, the Washington Post fact checker, has gotten the
“low-down” on how Governor Romney plans to create those 12 million
new jobs in his first term.
--

"When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in
layers of excess fat and carrying mis-spelled signs."

RogerN

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Oct 28, 2012, 12:23:19 AM10/28/12
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"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" wrote in message
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Obama sure doesn't have a record of success to run on. Obama even admitted
that Romney has a bigger pension than Obama, like that's a negative thing.
It's obvious, Romney know more about financial and economic issues. Obama
wants the details because he doesn't have a clue.

RogerN


GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 28, 2012, 12:46:55 AM10/28/12
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 23:23:19 -0500, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:

>"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" wrote in message
>news:j5bp881t75qie1863...@4ax.com...
>
>>Romney's 12 Million Jobs Math Yet Another Dishonest Bait And Switch
>>
>>http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/18/romneys-12-million-jobs-math-yet-another-dishonest-bait-and-switch/
>>
>
>Obama sure doesn't have a record of success to run on. Obama even admitted
>that Romney has a bigger pension than Obama, like that's a negative thing.
>It's obvious, Romney know more about financial and economic issues.

Knows more about profiting from sinking American businesses to enrich
himself and job creation in China perhaps.

>Obama wants the details because he doesn't have a clue.

Stopping the hemorrhaging of jobs due to the previous GOP economic
debacle and reversing the trend to steady job increases seems
successful enough.

You don't get to piss and shit all over the floor then whine that the
clean up crew isn't working fast enough for your liking, or get to be
believed that the solution is to allow you to shit explosive diarrhea
all over the floor once again.

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 4:25:02 AM10/28/12
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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:54:41 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
><too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>>the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>>jobs they were going to create?
>>
>>Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>>bastards out.
>>
>>TMT
>
> They are in the future if the American public were crazy enough to
> bet against America by electing Romney, and most likely in China.
>
> Romney's 12 Million Jobs Math Yet Another Dishonest Bait And Switch
>
Really, how 'bout them shovel ready jobs?



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Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 4:26:37 AM10/28/12
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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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typical. Blame the Republicans, blame the Tea Party, blame anyone but
yourself.

Say where's the budget we haven't seen in 3 years now? Who is
irrepsonsible?

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 28, 2012, 6:01:06 AM10/28/12
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You think waging wars on the other side of the planet without raising
taxes for them, then reconstructing Iraq while allowing America to
fall to pieces has no consequences?

Not to mention the unfunded Bush tax cuts that turned the healthy
surplus he inherited into a deficit.

>
>Say where's the budget we haven't seen in 3 years now?

It's a victim of the obstructionist policy of a GOP dominated House,
whose stated aim is simply sabotage to destroy the recovery in the
vain hope that the American voter has no memory and will blame the
President.
A strategy that backfired big time.

>Who is irrepsonsible?

That would be the same feckless GOP Congress.
Don't you realize they have control of budgeting?

Obviously they have other priorities.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/richard-mourdock-rape_n_2017734.html

WASHINGTON -- After initially keeping Richard Mourdock at arm's length
for his assertion that pregnancies produced by rape are intended by
God, prominent Republicans rallied around the embattled Indiana Senate
candidate.

Top among them was Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.),
whose chances of taking over the Senate next year could be sunk by
Mourdock's intemperate remarks

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 28, 2012, 6:22:21 AM10/28/12
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Lying dead at the feet of the GOP along with the Veterans Jobs Bill,
the Teachers Jobs Bill and the American Jobs Act.

Sorry , you don't get to shit on the floor, fight the janitor to
prevent him cleaning it up, then complain about the smell.

Follow this pattern of events:

1. With the job market struggling, Obama unveils the American Jobs
Act, a State of the Union agenda filled with economic measures, and an
economic "to-do list."

2. Republican lawmakers ignore the proposals, and the job market
deteriorates.

3. The GOP then blames Obama for the failure of his policies, which
Congress didn't pass.


GOP Senators Block Veterans Jobs Bill
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/20/gop-senators-block-veterans-jobs-bill.html
Sep 20, 2012


WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans blocked legislation Wednesday that
would have established a $1 billion jobs program putting veterans back
to work tending to the country's federal lands and bolstering local
police and fire departments.


Reid Statement On The Republican Obstruction Of The Teachers Jobs Bill

October 24, 2011

Washington, D.C.---Nevada Senator Harry Reid issued the following
statement today after Republicans unanimously blocked the ‘Teachers,
First Responders Back to Work Act,’ a bill that would create or save
approximately 400,000 jobs for teachers, cops and first responders.
The bill would have been fully paid for with a 0.5% surtax on
taxpayers making more than $1 million a year.

“Republicans unanimously blocked a bill that would have kept 400,000
teachers in the classroom and first responders on the job because they
refuse to ask millionaires to pay their fair share. By asking
millionaires to pay an extra half a penny on the dollar, this bill
would have created jobs by keeping our communities safe and ensuring
that our children continue to have access to a high-quality education.

“Unfortunately, protecting millionaires and defeating President Obama
are more important to my Republican colleagues than creating jobs and
getting our economy back on track. Democrats agree with the
overwhelming majority of Americans that teachers and first responder
jobs are worth defending, while lower taxes for millionaires and
billionaires are not.”


Republican Obstruction of American Jobs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyqD1IndTI0

Rebublicans are keeping 2,000,000 Americans out of work by not passing
the Senate-version of the Transportation Bill. It is time to dismiss
partisan politics and work for the American people. The Senate was
able to do this with the bi-partisan passage of this bill, and it is
time for the House to step up and do the same.

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 1:17:11 PM10/28/12
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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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More zipperhead talking point.

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 1:19:36 PM10/28/12
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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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More zipperhead talking points.

The DEMOCRAT controlled Senate under corrupt DEMOCRAT majority leader has
not submitted a budget since 2009. Period. End of sentence. That is a fact,
jack. If you want to blame Republiocans you are then admitting that
Republicans, in the minority and without he bully pulpit of the Presidency,
are smarter than Democrats.

Gunner

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Oct 28, 2012, 2:21:52 PM10/28/12
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:01:06 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<D...@null.net> wrote:

>>
>>typical. Blame the Republicans, blame the Tea Party, blame anyone but
>>yourself.
>
>You think waging wars on the other side of the planet without raising
>taxes for them, then reconstructing Iraq while allowing America to
>fall to pieces has no consequences?


Good question. Now..about that Obama promise to get the US out of the
middle east in 6 weeks......?


Gunner

--
"President Obama is not going to lose. He will be re-elected. It is those of
you who have these grand fantasies of that pip-squeak Romney actually having
a chance at winning the election that will have to wake up to reality the
day after the election. I hear there is plenty of room in the rest of the
world where you can reside and establish new citizenship.
Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>

Gunner

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Oct 28, 2012, 2:23:29 PM10/28/12
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:01:06 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<D...@null.net> wrote:

>
>>
>>Say where's the budget we haven't seen in 3 years now?
>
>It's a victim of the obstructionist policy of a GOP dominated House,

Sorry munchkin...the Democrats controlled CONGRESS for 5 YEARS...and
they fucked up.

GOP dominated house?

Denial is such a easily spotted thing when Demonrats try using it

Tom Gardner

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Oct 28, 2012, 2:45:00 PM10/28/12
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On 10/28/2012 4:25 AM, Gray Guest wrote:

> Really, how 'bout them shovel ready jobs?
>
>


My dogs created more "Shovel-Ready Jobs" than Obama did!

Ed

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Oct 28, 2012, 2:57:51 PM10/28/12
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And the U.S. House of Representatives did not actively obstruct your
dogs from doing so. If Obama had gotten the same courtesy, he’d be
cruising to reelection right now. That’s been the right’s strategy all
along.

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 28, 2012, 3:11:32 PM10/28/12
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That's not what his Secret Service squad said...

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 28, 2012, 3:35:11 PM10/28/12
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LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
NO TEA PARTY JOBS.

Parasitical cowards...that's all any of the Tea Party has been.

TMT

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 28, 2012, 4:03:15 PM10/28/12
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At least they are starting arresting them at long last.

GOP Voter Fraud Accusations Suddenly Blowing Up In Their Faces

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/gop-voter-fraud_n_1990104.html

Republican officials, who have used hysteria about alleged voter fraud
as an excuse to support measures that disproportionately block
Democratic voters, are furiously trying to distance themselves from a
growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted
false applications or threw away authentic ones.

The incidents might have been overlooked if not for the GOP's
clamorous campaign to restrict registration drives, purge voter rolls,
roll back early voting, and pass voter ID laws that opponents point
out have the effect of depressing the vote among minorities, the poor
and other generally Democratic constituencies.

As one Southern California alt-weekly put it, it's turning into a
story of "The Wolf Who Cried Wolf."

The latest drama began to unfold on Oct. 17, when the manager of a
Tuesday Morning discount store in Virginia's Shenandoah Valley saw a
man throwing a garbage bag into the store's private dumpster. Inside
the bag was a file folder containing eight completed Virginia voter
registration forms.

The manager described the man to Rockingham County sheriff's deputies,
who the following day arrested Colin Small, 23, a voter registration
drive contractor for the Virginia GOP -- and charged him with eight
felonies and five misdemeanors related to the destruction and
disclosure of the applications and obstruction of justice.

A few weeks earlier, the GOP had been under fire following reports of
suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10
Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican
operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud. The
Republican Party paid Sproul's company, Strategic Allied Consulting,
about $3 million this year for registration drives in five swing
states: Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Nevada, and Virginia.

In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter
registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing
a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent.
Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina.

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 4:17:41 PM10/28/12
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Ed <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in news:2d4a5d24-a386-421d-944e-
d692c5...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
What are babbling about? Obama got the money for his shovel ready jobs.
They just weren't wnay shovel ready jobs to spend the money on.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 28, 2012, 4:59:12 PM10/28/12
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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Oct 27, 9:54 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>> jobs they were going to create?
>>
>> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> bastards out.
>>
>> TMT
>
>LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
>NO TEA PARTY JOBS.

You want a job in the Tea Party?

Ed

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Oct 28, 2012, 5:22:02 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 4:59 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
> >> bastards out.
>
> >> TMT
>
> >LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
> >NO TEA PARTY JOBS.
>
> You want a job in the Tea Party?
>

There are none. Obama even tried to provide more jobs there but the
GOP-controlled congress blocked it.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 28, 2012, 5:23:09 PM10/28/12
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>Ed <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Oct 28, 4:59 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> >> bastards out.
>>
>> >> TMT
>>
>> >LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
>> >NO TEA PARTY JOBS.
>>
>> You want a job in the Tea Party?
>>
>
>There are none. Obama even tried to provide more jobs

Obama had no jobs to provide. The government only creates government
jobs. We need real jobs, not fake jobs.

Ed

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Oct 28, 2012, 5:39:36 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 5:23 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >Ed <mr_reds...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
Corporate Amerikka – with the help of their GOP accomplices (when
they’re not obstructing any and all job creation) provide only low-
wage, non-living wage service jobs – with no benefits – and no future.
This is what the criminals you support have given us – and now you
want to give them more power.

Stormin Mormon

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Oct 28, 2012, 5:57:41 PM10/28/12
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I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Ed" <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in message
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Stormin Mormon

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Oct 28, 2012, 5:56:52 PM10/28/12
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The only jobs O would create, would be government jobs. That means more
regulation, and less freedom. Three cheers for the Reps.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Ed" <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in message
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Ed

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Oct 28, 2012, 6:57:52 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
>


BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:01:41 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 3:17 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> Ed <mr_reds...@dangerous.net> wrote in news:2d4a5d24-a386-421d-944e-
> d692c5bc6...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
Okay...so you are saying that Corporate America failed America.

The money was there..the jobs they were to provide were not.

Sounds like capitalism is a failure.

TMT

Gunner

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:06:38 PM10/28/12
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Wha..whaaaa...whaaaa. Humm.. cancel that.

Baaa! Baaaa! Baaaa!

Go ahead Sheeple..defend your masters.

Gunner

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:08:40 PM10/28/12
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What...suddenly there IS voter fraud? There wasnt ..according to the
Leftwingers..when it was all Democrats going to jail...but now a
single Republican case has been found..its rampant?

<VBG>

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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Oct 28, 2012, 7:50:17 PM10/28/12
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:57:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.

Mitt Romney sure seems desperate to leave his Corporate background
behind and get a government job doesn't he?

Amazing how many of these GOP cheerleaders all HAVE government jobs
and lavish benefits they wish to deny all other Americans.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:08:40 -0700, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/

The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter
fraud rate of 0.00004%. National Weather Service data shows that
Americans are struck and killed by lightning about as often.


When all else fails try blatant lies approach or do you truly not
understand the difference between individual voter fraud and
systematic GOP felonies ?

Single case?

That's just the latest case example of thirteen offenses .


"growing number of GOP voter registration drives that either submitted
false applications or threw away authentic ones"

"suspicious registration applications that had been submitted in 10
Florida counties by a company run by Nathan Sproul, a Republican
operative who has long been trailed by allegations of voter fraud."

"In Palm Beach County, Fla., alone, about 100 questionable voter
registrations were flagged, more than half of which involved changing
a voter’s party affiliation to Republican or independent."

"Discrepancies were also found in North Carolina."

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:04:39 PM10/28/12
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>Ed <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Oct 28, 5:23 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >Ed <mr_reds...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On Oct 28, 4:59 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> >> >> bastards out.
>>
>> >> >> TMT
>>
>> >> >LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
>> >> >NO TEA PARTY JOBS.
>>
>> >> You want a job in the Tea Party?
>>
>> >There are none. Obama even tried to provide more jobs
>>
>> Obama had no jobs to provide. The government only creates government
>> jobs. We need real jobs, not fake jobs.
>>
>
>Corporate Amerikka – with the help of their GOP accomplices (when
>they’re not obstructing any and all job creation) provide only low-
>wage, non-living wage service jobs – with no benefits – and no future.

Really. So where do the high-paying jobs come from? Obama's benevolent
bosom?

LOL

>This is what the criminals you support have given us – and now you
>want to give them more power.

Really? What "criminals" do I "support?"

Cite

Wayne

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:17:32 PM10/28/12
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"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
news:cuhr88ph93smrjb54...@4ax.com...

>Ed <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Oct 28, 5:23 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >Ed <mr_reds...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On Oct 28, 4:59 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> >> >> bastards out.
>>
>> >> >> TMT
>>
>> >> >LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
>> >> >NO TEA PARTY JOBS.
>>
>> >> You want a job in the Tea Party?
>>
>> >There are none. Obama even tried to provide more jobs
>>
>> Obama had no jobs to provide. The government only creates government
>> jobs. We need real jobs, not fake jobs.
>>
>
>Corporate Amerikka – with the help of their GOP accomplices (when
>they’re not obstructing any and all job creation) provide only low-
>wage, non-living wage service jobs – with no benefits – and no future.

# Really. So where do the high-paying jobs come from? Obama's benevolent
# bosom?

# LOL

>This is what the criminals you support have given us – and now you
>want to give them more power.

# Really? What "criminals" do I "support?"

# Cite

Something TMT seemed to miss when coming up with this thread.....
The Tea Party is not in control of any entity that can create jobs.
That's where Zero, Pelosi, and Reed failed.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:24:17 PM10/28/12
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>"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
One of the MANY things TMT "misses..."


>The Tea Party is not in control of any entity that can create jobs.
>That's where Zero, Pelosi, and Reed failed.

Well, the boy is on a dial-up connection (all he can afford) , so much
of the world passes him by while he's uploading his messages and
trying to get Google to work with Windows for Workgroups.

He's still complaining about Bush, and that was years ago......

pyotr filipivich

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:37:49 PM10/28/12
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Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:06:38 -0700 typed
in misc.survivalism the following:
>On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed
><mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote:
>
>>On Oct 28, 2:45 pm, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2012 4:25 AM, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>
>>> > Really, how 'bout them shovel ready jobs?
>>>
>>> My dogs created more "Shovel-Ready Jobs" than Obama did!
>>>
>>
>>And the U.S. House of Representatives did not actively obstruct your
>>dogs from doing so. If Obama had gotten the same courtesy, he’d be
>>cruising to reelection right now. That’s been the right’s strategy all
>>along.
>
>Wha..whaaaa...whaaaa. Humm.. cancel that.
>
>Baaa! Baaaa! Baaaa!
>
>Go ahead Sheeple..defend your masters.

Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the
weak-minded." Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?

It is the only way to explain how a Filibuster Proof Democrat
Senate, and a Democrat Run House with a Democrat Party Majority, could
have been "obstructed" by the minority party. Democrats are just too
easily bamboozled by those they consider "stupid".

fnord

pyotr
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When other countries demand a role in the exercise of global power,
America can ask another fundamental American question: "You and what army?"
PJ O'Roarke, _Peace Kills_

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:42:11 PM10/28/12
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On Oct 28, 7:24 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >"Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >"Klaus Schadenfreude"  wrote in message
> >news:cuhr88ph93smrjb54...@4ax.com...
>
> He's still complaining about Bush, and that was years ago......- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...so says the felon on welfare.

Got those McCain/Palin stickers still?

Loser.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 28, 7:37 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:06:38 -0700 typed
>                                          PJ O'Roarke, _Peace Kills_- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...try explaining why Congress quit working after the Tea Party
showed up.

America noticed.

TMT

Gray Guest

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Oct 28, 2012, 8:48:43 PM10/28/12
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pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
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> Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:06:38 -0700 typed
> in misc.survivalism the following:
>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 11:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Ed
>><mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 28, 2:45 pm, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>>>> On 10/28/2012 4:25 AM, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Really, how 'bout them shovel ready jobs?
>>>>
>>>> My dogs created more "Shovel-Ready Jobs" than Obama did!
>>>>
>>>
>>>And the U.S. House of Representatives did not actively obstruct your
>>>dogs from doing so. If Obama had gotten the same courtesy, he’d be
>>>cruising to reelection right now. That’s been the right’s strategy all
>>>along.
>>
>>Wha..whaaaa...whaaaa. Humm.. cancel that.
>>
>>Baaa! Baaaa! Baaaa!
>>
>>Go ahead Sheeple..defend your masters.
>
> Obi-wan once observed"The Force can have a strong influence on the
> weak-minded." Who knew Dubya was a Jedi Knight?
>
> It is the only way to explain how a Filibuster Proof Democrat
> Senate, and a Democrat Run House with a Democrat Party Majority, could
> have been "obstructed" by the minority party. Democrats are just too
> easily bamboozled by those they consider "stupid".
>
> fnord
>
> pyotr

Don't forget that Bush left office in Jan 2009. He continued to control the
Democrats from Texas through his Jedi mind tricks. He turned Harry Reid
into a virtual statue, destroyed Biden's abiltiy to speak English and
caused Obama to stare speechless at the video feed from Benghazi and watch
Americans die without doing anything.

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 28, 7:48 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote innews:gojr881apqvod8gnf...@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:06:38 -0700 typed
> Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And he left a 1.2 TRILLION deficit with two wars and a MAJOR recession
running.

Strange how you would forget that.

Why didn't the Republican Party pay the bill before leaving the White
House?

Why didn't you pay your share of the bill you created by voting for
George Bush?

Freeloader.

TMT

Gunner

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Oct 28, 2012, 11:14:44 PM10/28/12
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On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 16:50:35 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
Ive posted links to hundreds of Democrats going to jail..and you
puttputted it.

<VBG>

Suck deeply on your Obamabong...you are going to need the rush.

Jerry O.

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In article <b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-9de0-
e25834...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Considering that the Tea Party

Madonna Booed by Fans After Endorsing Barack Obama During New
Orleans Concert

Madonna is making sure to leave each concert with a (not-so-
great) memory.

After recently taking a spill while on stage in Dallas, the
controversial singer drew some boos from the crowd in New
Orleans last night after she began praising President Barack
Obama.

"Who's registered to vote," she asked concertgoers, and then
followed with, "I don't care who you vote for as long as you
vote for Obama."

Madonna says calling Obama a "black Muslim" was supposed to be
ironic

After the crowd took issue with her remarks—in the form of
boos—the Material Girl went on to say, "Seriously, I don't care
who you vote for. Do not take this privilege for granted. Go
vote."

Nice save, Madge.

Last time Madonna mentioned Obama, and made headlines about it,
was when she told a crowd in Washington D.C., "So, you all
better vote for f--kin' Obama, OK? For better or for worse, all
right, we have a black Muslim in the White House!"

She has such a way with words.

> TMT

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:20:36 AM10/29/12
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Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>
> >Ed <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
> >On Oct 28, 4:59Ā pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
> >> >> bastards out.
> >>
> >> >> TMT
> >>
> >> >LOL...notice all the excuses the flapping conservative lips offer but
> >> >NO TEA PARTY JOBS.
> >>
> >> You want a job in the Tea Party?
> >>
> >
> >There are none. Obama even tried to provide more jobs
>
> Obama had no jobs to provide. The government only creates government
> jobs. We need real jobs, not fake jobs.


Like that phony "veterans Jobs Bill' would have provided. A year of
work, till the pork is gone. Then whatever city hired them would lay
them off because they can't pay them.

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:21:26 AM10/29/12
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Ed wrote:
>
> Corporate Amerikka – with the help of their GOP accomplices (when
> they’re not obstructing any and all job creation) provide only low-
> wage, non-living wage service jobs – with no benefits – and no future.
> This is what the criminals you support have given us – and now you
> want to give them more power.


STEP AWAY FROM THE FREE KOOL-AID!!!

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:22:32 AM10/29/12
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Ed wrote:
>
> On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
> >
>
> BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.


What's your point? You'd rather keep drawing unemployment or
welfare? My first job paid $1 an hour.

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 3:23:30 AM10/29/12
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GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:57:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
>
> Mitt Romney sure seems desperate to leave his Corporate background
> behind and get a government job doesn't he?


Idiot. he accepted no pay when he was governor.

> Amazing how many of these GOP cheerleaders all HAVE government jobs
> and lavish benefits they wish to deny all other Americans.


Idiot.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:47:40 AM10/29/12
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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>LOL...so says the felon on welfare.
>Got those McCain/Palin stickers still?
>Loser.

So are you all the way up to 33.6K? That must be why you have so much
trouble uploading your proof of Obama's military service.

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
©Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

Too_Many_Fools

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Oct 29, 2012, 2:38:40 PM10/29/12
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LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH..
LOL…Left-Wing Activist And Filmmaker Oliver Stone Rips Obozo A New
Asshole!
Politico: A new book from filmmaker Oliver Stone offers a scathing
critique of President Barack Obama’s time in office…
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F58D791C-7FFF-42B2-9A65-C4E932194C31
LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH..
“The country Obama inherited was indeed in shambles, but Obama took a
bad situation and, in certain ways, made it worse,” Stone and Kuznick
wrote.
LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH..

On Oct 27, 9:54 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> jobs they were going to create?
>

Gray Guest

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Oct 29, 2012, 2:57:19 PM10/29/12
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Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-
9de0-e25...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:

> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> jobs they were going to create?
>
> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
> bastards out.
>
> TMT
>

Patience, stupid. We've stopped the infection, now we must excise the tumor.

Gunner

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:02:35 PM10/29/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:57:19 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-
>9de0-e25...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>> jobs they were going to create?
>>
>> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> bastards out.
>>
>> TMT
>>
>
>Patience, stupid. We've stopped the infection, now we must excise the tumor.


Got Rope?

Dan

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:12:50 PM10/29/12
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On 10/28/2012 11:23 AM, Gunner wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:01:06 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
> <D...@null.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Say where's the budget we haven't seen in 3 years now?
>>
>> It's a victim of the obstructionist policy of a GOP dominated House,
>
> Sorry munchkin...the Democrats controlled CONGRESS for 5 YEARS...and
> they fucked up.

Please go back to school and learn how our own government operates.
Your Republican handlers have figured it out, but their loser-tool (who
hopes to be on the giving end of the purge, no less) hasn't a clue.

They like your kind. You know, the obviously latent-homosexuals that
populate the Party...

> GOP dominated house?

Yes, and?

> Denial is such a easily spotted thing when Demonrats try using it

Heh, nice try. Well, no, not even a nice try. Pretty pathetic, when
you get right down to it...

Dan

RogerN

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:28:07 PM10/29/12
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Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Considering that the Tea Party

Got this in my email today, thought I'd pass it on.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE YOU VOTE...

Some people have short memories..

DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?

This is NOT a political message, but rather a clarification to remind us all
of the correct facts.

Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our "economic crisis"
occurred (that was actually created), the Dow hit its highest point ever,
closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day level. Unemployment
was holding steady at 4.7%. But things were already being put in place to
create the havoc we've all been experiencing since then. And it all started,
as this email explains, on January 3, 2007.

I'm sending this to each of you regardless of your party preferences because
I believe it is something you may not have considered.

This tells the story, why Bush was so "bad" at the end of his term.

Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let it
sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!

The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually
January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over the House of
Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.

The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time
since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that
everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this: January 3rd, 2007 was the
day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress.

At the time:
The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB
GROWTH

Remember the day...
January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking
Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what
part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES!

Unemployment... to this CRISIS by (among MANY other things) dumping 5-6
TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from YOUR Fannie Mae and
Freddie Mac FIASCOES!

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001
because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac?
OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and the
Democrat Congress.

So when someone tries to blame Bush. REMEMBER JANUARY 3rd, 2007.... THE DAY
THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER!"

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress and the
party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democrat Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008 & 2009 as
well as 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them
to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on
spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely,
passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama
could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill
to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very
Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the
omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of
the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five
years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that,
Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that
includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

If Obama inherited anything, he inherited it from himself. In a nutshell,
what Obama is saying is I inherited a deficit that I voted
for and then I voted to expand that deficit four-fold since January 20th.

There is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it
on!

PLEASE DO YOUR PART !!!

In God We Trust




RD Sandman

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Oct 29, 2012, 5:33:45 PM10/29/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:Mb6dneU-
NOAhsxPNnZ2d...@earthlink.com:
Damn, you were rich. When was that? I started in 1951 and it was a lot
less than $1/hr. I can remember having the largest paperroute in town
and earning $10/week.

--

Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,

And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.


Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman)

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:24:08 PM10/29/12
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:57:19 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-
> >9de0-e25...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> >> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> >> jobs they were going to create?
> >>
> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
> >> bastards out.
> >>
> >> TMT
> >>
> >
> >Patience, stupid. We've stopped the infection, now we must excise the tumor.
>
> Got Rope?


Going to make more 'Dopes on ropes'? ;-)

Michael A. Terrell

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:25:48 PM10/29/12
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RD Sandman wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:Mb6dneU-
> NOAhsxPNnZ2d...@earthlink.com:
>
> >
> > Ed wrote:
> >>
> >> On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> >> <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
> >> >
> >>
> >> BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.
> >
> >
> > What's your point? You'd rather keep drawing unemployment or
> > welfare? My first job paid $1 an hour.
> >
>
> Damn, you were rich. When was that? I started in 1951 and it was a lot
> less than $1/hr. I can remember having the largest paperroute in town
> and earning $10/week.


1965, working in a TV shop.

Oglethorpe

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"Ed" <mr_re...@dangerous.net> wrote in message
news:7995328d-7fec-4b97...@4g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
>


BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.



===============

Self employment is the way to go.


RD Sandman

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Oct 29, 2012, 6:45:50 PM10/29/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:opSdnQm6M4PsnxLN...@earthlink.com:
Ahhhh, 1951 working in a Piggly Wiggly. $0.35 to $0.50/hour stocking
shelves, parttime, IIRC. The $10/wk paper route was about 135 papers in
1953.

Gunner

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Oct 29, 2012, 7:18:58 PM10/29/12
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:44:04 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:
If...if you have the right industry./ trade.

I work in manufacturing in a state that is losing its
manufacturing..and while I own my own business...it well and truely
sucks out there right now.

Gunner

RogerN

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Oct 29, 2012, 7:33:37 PM10/29/12
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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...

>Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>jobs they were going to create?
>
>Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>bastards out.
>
>TMT

Since Obama can't deliver as president, you look for the Tea Party to bail
your sorry ass out? Take a hint, a Democrat got elected, not a tea party
candidate.. Beg, barrow, buy, steal, or somehow get a clue.

RogerN


Gray Guest

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Oct 29, 2012, 7:48:05 PM10/29/12
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Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:pjCjs.5334$td7....@newsfe22.iad:

> On 10/28/2012 11:23 AM, Gunner wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:01:06 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>> <D...@null.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Say where's the budget we haven't seen in 3 years now?
>>>
>>> It's a victim of the obstructionist policy of a GOP dominated House,
>>
>> Sorry munchkin...the Democrats controlled CONGRESS for 5 YEARS...and
>> they fucked up.
>
> Please go back to school and learn how our own government operates.
> Your Republican handlers have figured it out, but their loser-tool (who
> hopes to be on the giving end of the purge, no less) hasn't a clue.

What?> Are you stupid? Congress was infected by Democrats in 2006 and
partially deloused in 2010. What don't you understand?

> They like your kind. You know, the obviously latent-homosexuals that
> populate the Party...
>
>> GOP dominated house?
>
> Yes, and?
>
>> Denial is such a easily spotted thing when Demonrats try using it
>
> Heh, nice try. Well, no, not even a nice try. Pretty pathetic, when
> you get right down to it...
>
> Dan
>
>



Michael A. Terrell

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RD Sandman wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:opSdnQm6M4PsnxLN...@earthlink.com:
>
> >
> > RD Sandman wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Mb6dneU-
> >> NOAhsxPNnZ2d...@earthlink.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Ed wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> >> >> <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What's your point? You'd rather keep drawing unemployment or
> >> > welfare? My first job paid $1 an hour.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Damn, you were rich. When was that? I started in 1951 and it was a
> lot
> >> less than $1/hr. I can remember having the largest paperroute in town
> >> and earning $10/week.
> >
> >
> > 1965, working in a TV shop.
> >
>
> Ahhhh, 1951 working in a Piggly Wiggly. $0.35 to $0.50/hour stocking
> shelves, parttime, IIRC. The $10/wk paper route was about 135 papers in
> 1953.


I was one in 1953.

Gray Guest

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Oct 29, 2012, 8:35:02 PM10/29/12
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Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-
9de0-e25...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:

>
>

We have to rid ourselves of the deadweight first.

Oglethorpe

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:46:14 AM10/30/12
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"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message
news:svgr88hntuqtol4kj...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:57:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61***spam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
>
> Mitt Romney sure seems desperate to leave his Corporate background
> behind and get a government job doesn't he?
>
>

He'd be coming out of RETIREMENT. Speaking od which, Obama needs forced
retirememnt.


Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:27:30 AM10/30/12
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On Oct 29, 5:47 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>  ©Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL....so do you have the special GOP WiFi setup...tinfoil hat and
your head up your felon butt?

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 29, 4:28 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
Sitting on your own mop handle Roger?

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:36:17 AM10/30/12
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On Oct 29, 6:19 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 17:44:04 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <antike...@go.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Ed" <mr_reds...@dangerous.net> wrote in message
>                   Kirby Grant,<KGr...@yahoo.com>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH.....

Gummer could have a McJob just down the street...he doesn't want to
work.

He wants to be a welfare weasel who posts on Usenet.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:38:58 AM10/30/12
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Hey...your Tea Party boys have not delivered nothing that they
promised.

Abortion is STILL LEGAL the last time I looked.

Why haven't they done anything about that?

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:40:59 AM10/30/12
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On Oct 29, 6:48 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:pjCjs.5334$td7....@newsfe22.iad:
> Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...so why has public opinion in Congress dropped like a rock AFTER
the Tea Party was elected?

America knows why.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 29, 7:35 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69-
> 9de0-e25834b3a...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> We have to rid ourselves of the deadweight first.
>
> --
> Refusenik #1
>
> Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

That's why we got rid of McCain and Palin in 2008.

And for good measure kicked Herman "The Perv" Cain to the curb.

Laugh...laugh..laugh..


TMT

PrecisionmachinisT

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"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
news:1JSdnb-Jv45yaRPN...@earthlink.com...
> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Considering that the Tea Party
>
> Got this in my email today, thought I'd pass it on.
>
> SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE YOU VOTE...
>
> Some people have short memories..
>
> DO YOU REMEMBER JANUARY 3, 2007?
>
> This is NOT a political message, but rather a clarification to remind us
> all of the correct facts.
>
> Remember that on October 9, 2007, 11 months before our "economic crisis"
> occurred (that was actually created), the Dow hit its highest point ever,
> closing at 14,164.53 and reaching 14,198.10 intra-day level. Unemployment
> was holding steady at 4.7%. But things were already being put in place to
> create the havoc we've all been experiencing since then. And it all
> started, as this email explains, on January 3, 2007.
>
> I'm sending this to each of you regardless of your party preferences
> because I believe it is something you may not have considered.
>
> This tells the story, why Bush was so "bad" at the end of his term.
>
> Don't just skim over this, it's not very long, read it slowly and let it
> sink in. If in doubt, check it out!!!
>
> The day the Democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually
> January 3rd 2007, which was the day the Democrats took over the House of
> Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress.
>
> The Democrat Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first
> time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.
>

A simple majority in congress is almost meaningless....

IIRC, excepting a few days during Obamas first term, the last time Democrats
held a veto-proof majority was 1937


Too_Many_Tools

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> A simple majority in congress is almost meaningless....
>
> IIRC, excepting a few days during Obamas first term, the last time Democrats
> held a veto-proof majority was 1937
>
The Kenyan butt boy had a Democrat Congress for two years. Are you
simple enough to think
he would veto anything they put through for him? We're lucky he didn't
make homosexuality in the military mandatory. He's really got a woody
for homosexual liasons, like he had in Chicago.

NoBody

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Explain for us why the Dems couldn't be bothered to put up a budget
for the last three years.

PrecisionmachinisT

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"NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Paul Ryan

Grover Norquist


PrecisionmachinisT

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"Too_Many_Tools" <sha...@sanders.ru> wrote in message
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>
>> A simple majority in congress is almost meaningless....
>>
>> IIRC, excepting a few days during Obamas first term, the last time
>> Democrats
>> held a veto-proof majority was 1937
>>
> The Kenyan butt boy had a Democrat Congress for two years.

"Kenyan"+ "butt boy" = you are a KooK

> Are you simple enough to think he would veto anything they put through
> for him?

Obama has vetoed exactly two pieces, yet he has signed over 550.

Are you really trying to tell me all of the laws he signed were sponsored by
Democrats ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

> We're lucky he didn't make homosexuality in the military mandatory.

We're also lucky that alien invaders from the planet Zork haven't turned the
earth's atmosphere into purple jello.

>
> He's really got a woody for homosexual liasons, like he had in Chicago.
>

http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html

"Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study
finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong
anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover
ones."


Gray Guest

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"PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote in news:xq-
dnZtqdMp8bhLNn...@scnresearch.com:
Paul Ryan is One (1) CONGRESSMAN in the HOUSE.

Grover Norquist isn't in Congress.

The question was why hasn't hapless Harry Reid with his imginary snitches
and the goat dressed dressed in ligerie tied up in his office been able to,
with a simple majority which is all that is required, and the bully pulpit
of the Presidency, been able to submit let alone pass a budget in 3 years?

Next bullshit excuse?

Gray Guest

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Oct 30, 2012, 1:28:51 PM10/30/12
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"PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote in
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Moron, the question was why haven't the Democrats, with the simple majority
that is all that is required been able to put forward, let alone pass a
budget in 3 years.

RD Sandman

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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Paperboy?

Michael A. Terrell

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RD Sandman wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? wrote in
> news:v8GdndF_nf6ggxLN...@earthlink.com:
>
> ?
> ? RD Sandman wrote:
> ??
> ?? "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? wrote in
> ?? news:opSdnQm6M4PsnxLN...@earthlink.com:
> ??
> ?? ?
> ?? ? RD Sandman wrote:
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? "Michael A. Terrell" ?mike.t...@earthlink.net? wrote in
> ?? news:Mb6dneU-
> ?? ?? NOAhsxPNnZ2d...@earthlink.com:
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ? Ed wrote:
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ?? On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> ?? ?? ?? ?cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com? wrote:
> ?? ?? ?? ? I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
> ?? ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ??
> ?? ?? ?? BK ? KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ?? ? What's your point? You'd rather keep drawing unemployment or
> ?? ?? ? welfare? My first job paid $1 an hour.
> ?? ?? ?
> ?? ??
> ?? ?? Damn, you were rich. When was that? I started in 1951 and it was
> ?? ?? a
> ?? lot
> ?? ?? less than $1/hr. I can remember having the largest paperroute in
> ?? ?? town and earning $10/week.
> ?? ?
> ?? ?
> ?? ? 1965, working in a TV shop.
> ?? ?
> ??
> ?? Ahhhh, 1951 working in a Piggly Wiggly. $0.35 to $0.50/hour stocking
> ?? shelves, parttime, IIRC. The $10/wk paper route was about 135 papers
> ?? in 1953.
> ?
> ?
> ? I was one in 1953.
> ?
>
> Paperboy?


Year old.

Strabo

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On 10/27/2012 10:54 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> jobs they were going to create?
>
> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
> bastards out.
>
> TMT
>

The "Tea Party" is a collection of local/regional clubs sharing
common values but with no central or national organization.
"It" cannot promise anything.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>Strabo <str...@flashlight.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
TMT conveniently forgets that the left *did* have a "Tea Party" of
it's own- it was called "Occupy Wall Street."

All they managed to do was get in everyone's way and shit all over the
parks.

Then they went home when it got cold.

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 30, 12:27 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> "PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionmachinist...@notmail.com> wrote in news:xq-
> dnZtqdMp8bhLNnZ2dnUVZ_o6dn...@scnresearch.com:
>
>
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>
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> > "NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >news:4unv88likc6hrn63q...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:59:06 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> >> <precisionmachinist...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:1JSdnb-Jv45yaRPN...@earthlink.com...

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 30, 12:27 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> "PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionmachinist...@notmail.com> wrote in news:xq-
> dnZtqdMp8bhLNnZ2dnUVZ_o6dn...@scnresearch.com:
>
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> > "NoBody" <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >news:4unv88likc6hrn63q...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 23:59:06 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> >> <precisionmachinist...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:1JSdnb-Jv45yaRPN...@earthlink.com...
> Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.- Hide quoted text -
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So now Grey Gonads admits that the Republicans have been blocking any
progress in Congress for THREE YEARS.

How fucking stupid do they make you conservatives?

Oh yeah...you contributed to Herman "The Perv" Cain.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..


TMT

RD Sandman

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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in
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Ahhh, that makes more sense considering the rest of this conversation.
;)

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 30, 12:28 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> "PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionmachinist...@notmail.com> wrote innews:9eednZtwdLDsZRLN...@scnresearch.com:
> Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No..the question is why hasn't the Tea Party delivered on ANY of their
promises.

They have been too busy screwing the American voter over.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Oct 30, 1:11 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[spamremove]@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote innews:v8GdndF_nf6ggxLN...@earthlink.com:
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > RD Sandman wrote:
>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> >>news:opSdnQm6M4PsnxLN...@earthlink.com:
>
> >> > RD Sandman wrote:
>
> >> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> >> news:Mb6dneU-
> >> >> NOAhsxPNnZ2dnUVZ_qidn...@earthlink.com:
>
> >> >> > Ed wrote:
>
> >> >> >> On Oct 28, 5:59 pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> >> >> >> <cayoung61***spambl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > I'd rather have corporate jobs, than government jobs.
>
> >> >> >> BK & KFC await you at $8.00 per hour.
>
> >> >> >    What's your point?  You'd rather keep drawing unemployment or
> >> >> > welfare?  My first job paid $1 an hour.
>
> >> >> Damn, you were rich.  When was that?  I started in 1951 and it was
> >> >> a
> >> lot
> >> >> less than $1/hr.  I can remember having the largest paperroute in
> >> >> town and earning $10/week.
>
> >> >    1965, working in a TV shop.
>
> >> Ahhhh, 1951 working in a Piggly Wiggly.  $0.35 to $0.50/hour stocking
> >> shelves, parttime, IIRC.  The $10/wk paper route was about 135 papers
> >> in 1953.
>
> >    I was one in 1953.
>
> Paperboy?
>
> --
>
> Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be President,
>
> And anyone who doesn't grow up can be Vice President.
>
> Sleep well, tonight.....
>
> RD (The Sandman)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Toilet paperboy.

TMT

Harold Burton

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In article
<b583c89f-9d6b-4f69...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> jobs they were going to create?


Only if one is an idiot. Otherwise wait until 2013.



snicker

Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 4:22:15 PM10/30/12
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LOL....you mean like when the Koch Brothers quit providing free food
and t-shirts to the old folks on welfare?

So where are all the jobs the Tea Party promised?

You can't even show us one...not one job..that the Tea Party created.

TMT

Gunner

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Oct 30, 2012, 4:24:21 PM10/30/12
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ROFLMAO!!!

Well played!!

Gunner

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And the OWS cost verious city governments Millions and Millions of
dollars in repair costs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/occupy-wall-street-protests-cost-cities-millions/story?id=14975940

The Tea Party events..cost cities and towns...Zero in repair costs.
$0 dollars. And they cleaned up all their trash and litter before they
went home.
In fact..they often clean up after the Leftists stage protests,
because the leftists are such pigs.

http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/2011/03/06/tea-party-cleaning-up-after-the-left-again/

http://visiontoamerica.com/10248/reuters-notices-ows-dying-while-tea-party-thriving/

Typical result of an OWS/Leftwing gathering

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/joplin2.jpg?w=780


Gunner
(Grin)

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 30, 2012, 4:47:36 PM10/30/12
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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>
>
>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> >Strabo <str...@flashlight.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >On 10/27/2012 10:54 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> >> Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>> >> the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>> >> jobs they were going to create?
>> >>
>> >> Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> >> bastards out.
>> >>
>> >> TMT
>> >>
>> >
>> >The "Tea Party" is a collection of local/regional clubs sharing
>> >common values but with no central or national organization.
>> >"It" cannot promise anything.
>>
>> TMT conveniently forgets that the left *did* have a "Tea Party" of
>> it's own- it was called "Occupy Wall Street."
>>
>> All they managed to do was get in everyone's way and shit all over the
>> parks.
>>
>> Then they went home when it got cold.
>
>LOL....you mean like when the Koch Brothers quit providing free food
>and t-shirts to the old folks on welfare?

What do the Koch brothers have to do with the left's aborted attempt
at having their own "tea party?"

You really DO have the attention span of a cocker spaniel, doncha? LOL

>So where are all the jobs the Tea Party promised?

What "promise" was this that you imagine? Are you sure it wasn't just
another one of your hallucinations, like felony records and Obama's
military records?

[chuckle]

>You can't even show us one...not one job..that the Tea Party created.

Um, why would the Tea Party create jobs? How many jobs have you
created?

I mean, besides adding to the requirement of more support staff in the
mental health industry?

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>No..the question is why hasn't the Tea Party delivered on ANY of their
>promises.

How come you keep hearing "promises" from the Tea Party?

Are they little talking tea pots? Do you hear them at night, when
you're all alone?

Are they telling you to kill?

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Oct 30, 2012, 5:01:34 PM10/30/12
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>Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
And plus, as a rule, OWS protestors were unwashed, ignorant, leftist
criminal scum.

From a guy selling T-shirts at the protests:
"I'm not making money on these. Okay, like $2 per shirt. But that
won't come close to covering what I lose on the extras. So I don't see
how you can call that profit." Dave, 23

A protester comments on the power of greed:
"It's weird protesting on Bay Street. You get there at 9 a.m. and the
rich bankers who you want to hurl insults at and change their
worldview have been at work for two hours already. And then when it's
time to go, they're still there. I guess that's why they call them the
one per cent. I mean, who wants to work those kinds of hours? That's
the power of greed." - Jeremy, 38

Stickin' it to the man:
"I have taken to doing the human mic as an act of conscientious
citizenry. I went home to have dinner with my parents and when my
mother would speak, I would repeat it so that my dad could hear at the
other end of the table. At one point, she says 'pass the potatoes' and
I shout 'pass the potatoes' and then my dad just freaks out. He starts
laying into me and then tells me I'm a pathetic loser." - Russell, 26

Same guy selling t-shirts:
"If they can bail out the banks out with billions of dollars, why
can't they bail me the measly $200 I'm going to lose on these shirts?
This is why the system is so unfair. This is why there is so much
anger right now. Can't anyone see that?" - Dave, 23

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Oct 29, 6:34 pm, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:b583c89f-9d6b-4f69...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>> >the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>> >jobs they were going to create?
>>
>> >Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>> >bastards out.
>>
>> >TMT
>>
>> Since Obama can't deliver as president, you look for the Tea Party to bail
>> your sorry ass out?  Take a hint, a Democrat got elected, not a tea party
>> candidate.. Beg, barrow, buy, steal, or somehow get a clue.
>>
>> RogerN
>
>Hey...your Tea Party boys have not delivered nothing that they
>promised.

If either Obama OR Romney wins the election, I promise you that I'll
personally give you THREE of everything the Tea Party promised.

That sound fair?

RogerN

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"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
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>Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>jobs they were going to create?
>
>Looks like it is time to have a Tea Party of our own and throw the
>bastards out.
>
>TMT

TMT's boyfriend Obama is such a failure that TMT looks to the Tea Party for
jobs. TMT's doing is part by giving Obama blow-jobs every chance he gets!

I saw something on Facebook that fits TMT perfectly:

Sorry you missed the smart train and ended up on the back of the fucktard
wagon, then fell out and into the dumbass ditch.

RogerN


Gunner

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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:01:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
ROFLMAO!! oh indeed!!!

Gunner

RogerN

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Evidence Hillary Answered the 3:00 a.m. Call While Obama Hung Up

http://aclj.org/war-on-terror/evidence-answered-call-obama-hung-up

This weekend, while pondering the recent revelations that explicit calls for
military help may have been rejected, I realized the media has been
misunderstanding the basic lines of authority that were likely in place in
Benghazi on September 11, 2012. If those lines of authority were
conventional, then on that night it is highly likely that Hillary Clinton
did all she could while Barack Obama - who controlled vastly more
resources - did nothing effective.

Now, I'm not at all excusing State Department decision-making that left the
Benghazi compound ridiculously vulnerable or the State Department's spin
after the attack. Instead, I'm focusing on the events of that night - the
subject of the most recent revelations that someone rejected urgent calls
for military help.

To fully understand the various accounts of the battle, one has to
understand the concept of "assets," "responsibility," and "command
authority." For example, a military commander may be responsible for a
particular battle space, but only has command authority over very specific
military assets. In Iraq, my squadron commander was responsible for a 17,000
square kilometer section of Diyala Province, but only had command authority
over a specific set of assets - a "squadron minus" of armored cavalry (we
left a tank company up in Mosul) plus various attached soldiers and teams.
If these assets were insufficient, he had to specifically appeal to higher
headquarters for help, and higher headquarters would approve or reject the
request.

In a mixed civilian/military environment, the situation becomes more
complex. For example, at various points in our deployment, U.N. negotiating
teams would arrive to try to broker peace agreements between competing
tribes. They had their own security, and the head of that security team was
responsible for the safety of the U.N. negotiators, but if his team was
overmatched, he'd appeal for help to my commander - as the on-scene military
commander responsible for the battle space and with command authority over
necessary assets to respond to a crisis.

Clear as mud? Thankfully, in our case the U.N. never had to make the call
for help - in large part because we escorted the negotiators with heavy
armor. The insurgents never launched an attack.

With that framework in place, let's go back to Benghazi. While the State
Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security assumes responsibility for
"providing a safe and secure environment for the conduct of U.S. foreign
policy," that does not mean that it necessarily has command authority over
the necessary assets to accomplish its mission. In other words, if an
embassy is under attack, the State Department doesn't suddenly command
aircraft carriers, fighter groups, or infantry battalions. The military
chain of command doesn't suddenly become a State Department chain of
command. Instead, if an embassy or diplomatic compound is under attack, and
State Department forces are insufficient to repel the attack or secure
embassy personnel, then the State Department has to appeal to a separate
command structure and ask that it deploy those assets under its command
authority to assist - such as the host country's military or our own.

International law assigns primary responsibility for diplomatic security to
the host country, but Libya was not capable of meeting that responsibility.
So - if current reports can be believed - we appealed to our own military
for help. Here's the critical point: The decision to proactively use
military force in a sovereign country that we are not at war with or in is
typically a decision reserved to the National Command Authority alone. (The
National Command Authority is the president acting in concert with - but in
command of - the Secretary of Defense). Unless this decision has been
delegated to a lower command, this is the president's call to make. Period.

So far we have been provided with a fairly precise accounting of how the
State Department deployed its very limited assets to respond to the Benghazi
attack, and that account makes for harrowing reading. In short, while there
were too few assets in place to help, the State Department threw everyone
into the breach - even sending small teams to engage the terrorists without
air cover and without heavy weapons. Those men - American and Libyan - by
all accounts exhibited bravery most Americans can scarcely comprehend. It
wasn't quite the Alamo or Little Big Horn (thankfully), but they exhibited
bravery against overwhelming odds in keeping with the best of American
martial traditions. The call came, and the State Department answered with
what little it had. It was not enough.

But where is the Department of Defense's corresponding account of that
night? There is little doubt it has already compiled an account at least as
comprehensive as the State Department's - and this account details (a) when
the military learned of the attack; (b) the military's state of situational
awareness hour by hour; (c) whether it received any requests for help; (d)
what assets - if any - were available to render aid in time; (e) what
recommendations were made; (f) whether any definitive orders were given; and
(g) who gave them. Make no mistake:That information is currently available,
already compiled, and can be released (even if in heavily redacted form to
protect classified assets).

Yet here's our Secretary of Defense's incomplete and unsatisfactory
response:

"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way
without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information
about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a
result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the
ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we
could not put forces at risk in that situation."

His "basic principle" is simply false. We deploy forces all the time in our
theaters of war without good real-time information. All. The. Time. If we
didn't, far more men would die. The fog of war never fully clears, and our
solution has been to typically go in with sufficient force to deal with
virtually any reasonable contingency. But the truly revealing part of the
response is here: "General Ham, General Dempsey and I felt very strongly
that we could not put forces at risk in that situation." To military ears
those are not the words of a man who made a decision; those are the words of
a man who made a recommendation. A decision-maker follows his strong feeling
with an order: to stand down or decline the request for help. A recommender
passes his feeling up the chain of command - in this case, to the president
of the United States.

The State Department answered the call with what force it had. The military
did not. Either we did not have assets to answer (and that would be a
different kind of scandal) or someone made the decision to - in effect -
hang up on the 3:00 a.m.caller. Who made that call and why? The military
already knows. So should the American people.

This article is crossposted at National Review Online.


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Harold Burton

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Oct 30, 2012, 9:21:42 PM10/30/12
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In article <dennism3-E0F0A3...@bonxibon.datemas.de>,
Dennis M <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote:

> In article <hal.i.burton-8043...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Harold Burton <a rightard since 2001> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <b583c89f-9d6b-4f69...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> > Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
> > > the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
> > > jobs they were going to create?
> >
> >
> > Only if one is an idiot.
>
> IOW the only elected politicians responsible for anything are Democrats.


Obama IS the President. He tries to take credit for everything that
happens on his watch.

And he's stupid enough to be surprised when that comes back to haunt him.


snicker

PrecisionmachinisT

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Oct 30, 2012, 10:55:09 PM10/30/12
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"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Paul Ryan is chairman of the house budget committee, which is currently
comprised of 22 republicans and 16 democrats

>
> Grover Norquist isn't in Congress.
>

I never said that he was.

Are you fucking retarded or something ?

>
> The question was why hasn't hapless Harry Reid with his imginary snitches
> and the goat dressed dressed in ligerie tied up in his office been able
> to,
> with a simple majority which is all that is required, and the bully pulpit
> of the Presidency, been able to submit let alone pass a budget in 3 years?
>

See above.

>
> Next bullshit excuse?
>





Oglethorpe

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Oct 31, 2012, 1:23:25 AM10/31/12
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"PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
> news:1JSdnb-Jv45yaRPN...@earthlink.com...
> And both times they fcked the coiuntry up real good.


Oglethorpe

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"Dennis M" <denn...@dennism3.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <hal.i.burton-8043...@news.newsguy.com>,
> Harold Burton <a rightard since 2001> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <b583c89f-9d6b-4f69...@d3g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Considering that the Tea Party has been flapping thier lips about all
>> > the changes they were going to make, one has to ask where are all the
>> > jobs they were going to create?
>>
>>
>> Only if one is an idiot.
>
> IOW the only elected politicians responsible for anything are Democrats.
> You must be the typical Republican voter because you're as stupid and
> partisan as one.
>
>> Otherwise wait until 2013.
>
> You mean dumb-as-a-stump republican teabaggers will finally stop
> obstructing Pres. Obama's job creation efforts so the country can move
> ahead? Great news.
>


Obamqa's eforts at job creation have only cost us ober $700 k per job. None
of which pay close to that per year.


Too_Many_Tools

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Oct 30, 2012, 11:48:34 PM10/30/12
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LOL...attention span of cocker spaniels....I guess as a felon you
would know all about that in the bedroom.

And amazing how you can't come up with any jobs created by the Tea
Party.

Just a bunch of old farts running around trading tin foil hats and
Viagra stories.

TMT
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