The Republican Bloodbath of 2014

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LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
will be a major issue.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

GOP faces Senate recruitment woes in key states
By THOMAS BEAUMONT | Associated Press – DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) —
Republicans are struggling to recruit strong U.S. Senate candidates in
states where the party has the best chances to reclaim the majority in
Washington.

It's a troubling sign that the GOP's post-2012 soul-searching is
spilling over as predicted into next year's congressional elections.

The vote is more than 18 months away, so it's early. But feeble
candidate recruitment efforts are underway, and thus far Republicans
have been unable to field any candidate in Iowa or Michigan.

In those two Mideast swing states, the GOP has little hope for the
seats left open by the retirement of veteran Democrats.

The GOP is facing the prospect of contentious and expensive primaries
in Georgia and perhaps West Virginia, Republican-leaning states where
incumbents, one from each party, are not running again.

President Barack Obama is not on the ballot, even so Republicans may
have little chance to try to retake the Senate. Changing the balance
of power in the Senate would have put a major crimp on Obama's efforts
to enact his agenda and shape his legacy in the final two years of his
presidency but is unlikely to occur.

Republicans need to gain six seats to gain control of the Senate.
Democrats will be defending 21 seats to Republicans' 14, meaning the
GOP has more opportunities to try to win on Democratic turf.

Republicans were reveling in the fact that several veteran Democrats
were retiring in states where the GOP had not had a chance to win in
decade but now find they have no candidates to run.

Last week, Democrat Max Baucus of Montana became the latest to
announce his retirement in a state that typically tilts Republican.

But so far there's been a combination of no-thank-you's from
prospective Republican candidates in Iowa, slow movement among others
in Michigan and lack of consensus elsewhere over a single contender.

All that has complicated the early goings of what historically would
be the GOP's moment to strike. In the sixth year of a presidency, the
party out of power in the White House usually wins congressional
seats.

Democrats, despite this historical disadvantage, are fighting to
reclaim the majority in the U.S. House, where control will be decided
by a couple of dozen swing states and likely will.

After embarrassing losses in GOP-leaning Indiana and Missouri last
year, the new Republican Senate campaign leadership is responding by
drifting aimlessly into the early stages of the 2014 races.

Strategists are conducting exhaustive research on would-be candidates,
making hard pitches for those they prefer and discouraging those they
don't, to the point of advertising against them. The hope is to limit
the number of divisive primaries that only stand to remind voters of
their reservations about Republicans.

"It's more about trying to get consensus and avoid a primary that
would reopen those wounds, rather than the party struggling to find
candidates," said Greg Strimple, a pollster who and consultant to
several 2012 Republican Senate campaigns.

The party's top national Senate campaign strategists are so concerned
about squandering potential opportunities by failing to persuade
popular Republicans to run in critical states that they were in Iowa
last week to survey the landscape. The visit came after top Senate
prospects U.S. Rep. Tom Latham, a prolific fundraiser, and Lt. Gov.
Kim Reynolds, a rising star, decided against running despite
aggressive lobbying by the National Republican Senate Committee.

The committee's senior spokesman, Kevin McLaughlin, and its political
director, Ward Baker, met privately Wednesday with state Agriculture
Secretary Bill Northey and state Sen. Joni Ernst, who have expressed
interest.

They invited Mark Jacobs, the former CEO of Reliant Energy, to
breakfast Thursday. They also tried again, and in vain, it turns out,
to persuade Terry Branstad, Iowa's longest-serving governor, to run
for Senate instead of seeking another term as governor.

Despite all that, the Washington delegation shrugged off the
recruitment troubles. "It's more important to take the time to get it
right than it is to rush and get it wrong," McLaughlin said. "If only
we had candidates worth running."

McLaughlin and others have lamented the national party's decision not
to intervene in the candidate selection last year, when Republicans
lost races viewed as winnable in Indiana, Missouri and elsewhere.

The mission in Iowa for 2014 is to beat Democrat Bruce Braley, a four-
term congressman trying to succeed retiring six-term Democratic Sen.
Tom Harkin. Braley is the party's consensus prospect. He's won
Harkin's endorsement and already has raised more than $1 million for
his campaign.

Democrats are similarly set in Michigan, where Democrat Carl Levin is
leaving the Senate after six terms. The Democratic field has been all
but cleared for three-term Rep. Gary Peters, who already has more than
$800,000 toward his campaign.

Last week, Debbie Dingell, wife of Michigan Rep. John Dingell, opted
not to run for the Senate, after some of her key donors made clear
they were for Peters.

But, as in Iowa, Republicans have faced recruitment challenges in
Michigan.

The GOP's Senate campaign committee is planning a visit soon to
Michigan and hopes to coax U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers into the race.

There's a belief in GOP circles in Washington and in Michigan that the
seven-term Rogers, a former FBI agent who's chairman of the House
Intelligence Committee, would be a stronger candidate than two-term
Rep. Justin Amash, a tea party favroite with little money in his
campaign account.

National Republican officials also are working to head off primaries
in several states and are taking sides when they can't. That includes
in West Virginia, which Republican president nominee Mitt Romney won
in 2012 and where six-term Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller is
retiring.

Rep. Shelley Moore Capito quickly announced her candidacy and became a
favorite of the GOP establishment. Some conservatives complained about
her votes for financial industry bailouts, and former state Sen.
Patrick McGeehan has announced plans to challenge her.

National Republican Senate Committee officials said they would
campaign and run ads against McGeehan if he appeared to be a threat.

In Georgia, several Republican candidates are considering trying to
succeed the retiring Republican Saxby Chambliss. But so far, the two
who have entered the race are arch conservative House members Paul
Broun and Phil Gingrey.

National Republicans are treading carefully to avoid enraging the
conservative base in Georgia. But the primary field could eventually
include up to a half-dozen people.

At the local level, some Republicans are worried the delay is costing
precious organizing and fundraising time.

"Every day Iowa Republicans spend talking about potential candidate
deliberations ... is a day lost," said Matt Strawn, a former Iowa
Republican Party chairman.

But others say that the meddling from Washington stifles the voices of
voters, who they say ought to be in charge of shaping the party's
future, even if the primary is loud and divisive.

"It's a truer reflection of where the Republican Party needs to go,"
said Iowa Republican Doug Gross, a veteran adviser to Branstad. "If we
do not have suitable candidates then the Party deserves to die a slow
death."

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>LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
>will be a major issue.
>
>Laugh..laugh..laugh..

The conservatives are too stupid to realize that hey shot themselves
in the foot, so to speak, over the gun control debacle.

Mighty Wannabe

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> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> will be a major issue.
>
> Laugh..laugh..laugh..
>
> TMT

Gun grab will be a reality. The USA is maturing into a civil society.
No more gun loons shooting up universities, primary schools,
kindergartens, movie theaters, and Safeway parking lots. Good people
are sharing and enjoying the bounty of the land, complete with
universal healthcare for everyone. Unrepentant 2nd Amendment loons
won't have their gun toys to hug and kiss goodnight, and will be
crying themselves to sleep at night.

Gray Guest

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> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> will be a major issue.
>

Wanna bet some major coin on that?

--
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Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

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..."from their cold dead hands."

works for me.

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>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5e02d900-27f0-4d0f-
>bdbe-441...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
>> will be a major issue.
>>
>
>Wanna bet some major coin on that?

The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
forgotten.

Every new gun death will be a reminder.

"The elections of 2010 and 2012 brought the poisoned pill that would
bring about Kansas' untimely end. The first election seated a governor
who tossed aside Kansas' storied history and replaced it with a vision
of his own design. In 2012, record setting campaign contributions from
out-of-state donors financed the defeat of those moderate Republicans
who had spent the last of their political careers keeping Kansas
alive."

Kansas 1861-2013

http://www.hutchnews.com/Columns/SUN--Probst-column

TOPEKA - The Great State of Kansas passed away on March 31, 2013,
after a long and difficult battle with extremism that became markedly
more aggressive in 2010. The struggle left the state so weakened it
could no longer fight against the relentless attacks by the fatal
disease.

Kansas was born on Jan. 29, 1861.

The state is preceded in death by fair taxation, good highways, strong
education, family farms, a good public parks and wildlife system, open
government, neighborliness and belief in helping each other out,
freely elected public servants, and political moderation.

Kansas is survived by widespread poverty, low-wage jobs, high property
taxes, pollution, poorly educated children, outmigration and rural
depopulation, foreign land and farm ownership, lobbyist-funded
legislators, chronic mistreatment of the disabled, a maniacal hatred
of government and children who dream of living anywhere else.

During its early years, Kansas played a pivotal role in the Civil War
by staking out a strong progressive stand against slavery. Despite
repeated raids from border ruffians, Kansas held firm to the belief of
free men and free soil.

Throughout its life, Kansas often aligned with leading progressive
causes. William Allen White, one of the state's most notable
residents, once wrote that "if it's going to happen, it happens first
in Kansas." That once was true. Kansas was the first state to ban the
Ku Klux Klan, and the first to elect women to public office - one as
mayor and another as sheriff.

It was the birthplace of the populist movement, rising as farmers and
ordinary people grew weary of the Gilded Age politics of the late
1800s and early 1900s that favored investment interests over those of
landowners and laborers.

Kansas was a leader in public education, with one-room school houses
dotting the plains. A full 12 years before it was a national concern,
Kansas established child labor laws that restricted employment of
children in potentially dangerous industries.

In the 1950s, Kansas laid the path to civil rights for
African-Americans with the historic Brown vs. Board of Education case
- the first in the country to rule against a policy of segregation in
public schools.

Despite its compassionate nature, Kansas proved to be a state teeming
with inventiveness, ingenuity, determination and a savvy sense of
business.

Cessna, Beech and Stearman helped establish Kansas as a center of the
aviation industry. Coleman launched an international company from
Wichita that became a household name. Pizza Hut and White Castle - two
iconic eateries - both got their start in Kansas, and the man who
helped establish the American automobile industry called Kansas home.

Kansas' history is filled with vibrant, dynamic people. Settlers who
claimed land once described as a desert and turned it into the world's
garden; immigrants who came by the train-load and brought with them
the hard winter wheat that germinated the state's prosperity.
Throughout the years, Kansans endured drought, grasshopper plagues,
depression and fierce weather, yet its people worked to hold tight to
their land and the belief that there was goodness in Kansas. In spite
of those hardships, the state produced world-renowned artists,
writers, inventors, business leaders, astronauts, even a president.

Kansas was a strong-willed state whose hands were calloused enough to
turn up the hardest sod and tender enough to calm a crying child.

Despite its strength and vitality, Kansas couldn't survive the
influences of outside political machines that sought to use this
fertile ground and its people as a test plot for an ambitious
political experiment.

The elections of 2010 and 2012 brought the poisoned pill that would
bring about Kansas' untimely end. The first election seated a governor
who tossed aside Kansas' storied history and replaced it with a vision
of his own design. In 2012, record setting campaign contributions from
out-of-state donors financed the defeat of those moderate Republicans
who had spent the last of their political careers keeping Kansas
alive.

One by one, the things Kansas had spent a lifetime building were
dismantled, until the state was rendered as empty and uninviting as it
had been in those early days when the first settlers eyed its endless
expanse.

Along the way, the state's defenders - the farmer, the laborer, the
property owner and the shop keeper - stood mute and passive, hoping
for a day when the state would spark back to life, as it had always
done before.

They remained silent too long.

In lieu of flowers, memorials may be sent to the Kansas Chamber of
Commerce, the Kansas Policy Institute, or Americans for Prosperity all
in care of Gov. Sam Brownback, Office of the Governor, Capital 300 SW
10th Ave. Ste 241S, Topeka, KS 66612-1590.

Ramon F. Herrera

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>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...
>> and gun control will be a major issue.
>
> Wanna bet some major coin on that?

Mr, Gray Guest is correct! I wouldn't dare to bet even a tiny coin
against his wise perception.

The major reason, the main factor behind the 2014 Conservative
bloodbath will NOT be gun control.

The major reason for such carnage is left as an exercise for the
readers.

-Ramon

Gunner Asch

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>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
>> will be a major issue.
>>
>
>Wanna bet some major coin on that?

$10 says TMT doesnt live through it.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Democrats are too fucking stupid to realize they can't win even WITH
90% of the public "wanting" gun control.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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Good. I'll take your AR

Klaus Schadenfreude

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>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
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>>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5e02d900-27f0-4d0f-
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>>
>>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
>>> will be a major issue.
>>>
>>
>>Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>
>The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>forgotten.

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> >> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> >> will be a major issue.
>
> >Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>
> $10 says TMT doesnt live through it.

What? Gummer is putting a bounty on my head.

LOL...too bad the dumb SOB doesn't have $10.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

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> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:53:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
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> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:39:00 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
> ><D...@null.net> wrote:
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> >>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

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> http://www.care2.com/causes/93-of-senators-who-rejected-gun-control-p...- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

And those Congressmen will be targeted when their reelection comes
up...you can bet on.

TMT

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Blah..blah..blah...if you believed that you would not own a gun.

Hypocrite.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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LOL..Rightards are too fucking stupid to realize they can't win when
90% of the public "want" gun control.

The article is telling you that any conservative with a brain DOES NOT
WANT TO RUN in 2014...they expect to LOSE.

So apparently you don't have a brain.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

Klaus Schadenfreude

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:18:50 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

<D...@null.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:53:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:39:00 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
>><D...@null.net> wrote:
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>>>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>>><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5e02d900-27f0-4d0f-
>>>>bdbe-441...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
>>>>> will be a major issue.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>>>
>>>The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>>>their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>>>issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>>>disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>>>forgotten.
>>
>>
>>You're right. the laughter at liberal impotence will continue well
>>into the 22nd century.
>>
>>So tell me- how come you couldn't get the legislation signed with
>>NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICA behind you?
>
>You really don't know?
>It's no mystery.
>
>93% of Senators Who Rejected Gun Control Paid by NRA

One assumes you mean the NRA will contribute to their reelection
campaigns, and you're not as stupid as Dudu as to claim they were
bribed.

So, they have more money in their campaign coffers.

How much money are we talking about here? Do you even KNOW?

How will that help them win when they voted AGAINSt legislation NINETY
PERCENT of America supposedly wants?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Why will these 90% vote for them?

Looking forward to your comprehensive explanation.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:06:16 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

You would too if you read the cites rather than simply snipping them,
then asking for them again in the odd way you do.

http://www.care2.com/causes/93-of-senators-who-rejected-gun-control-paid-by-nra.html

Among the top NRA recipients are Roy Blunt (Missouri) with $60,550 and
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia) with $56,950. Fellow Republican Senators
John Thune (South Dakota), Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) and Jim
Inhofe (Oklahoma) have each received well over $40,000 apiece, as
well.

While donations of this sort are generally made during election
cycles, at least two Senators suspiciously received money from the gun
industry in recent weeks. During the month of March, Richard Burr
(North Carolina) and Dan Coats (Indiana) had donations from an
ammunition manufacturer and shooting group. Considering that these
donations came at a time when gun control looked more likely to pass,
their potential impact cannot be discredited.

In fact, there may be many more donations made by the gun lobby in
recent months that we are not aware of yet. Although that financial
information would normally have been made public by now, the ongoing
Congressional ricin scare has postponed the filing deadline. Since the
NRA and gun lobby have certainly been busy positioning themselves
politically since the Sandy Hook massacre, it is not unreasonable to
believe these groups put their money where their mouths are.

>
>How will that help them win when they voted AGAINSt legislation NINETY
>PERCENT of America supposedly wants?

It won't, that's what the current GOP civil war is about, the total
failure of dark money to swing the last election.

>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>Why will these 90% vote for them?

They won't, that'ds why so many republicans are bailing and quitting
while they are ahead.

Tom Gardner

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On 4/28/2013 9:18 PM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:

> 93% of Senators Who Rejected Gun Control Paid by NRA
>

So, Your Democrat Senators are on the take. If they are whores for the
NRA, what other groups are controlling them? I'm not surprised but it
DOES surprise me to see a lefty admit it.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:29:07 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall

I usually snip bullshit that has little or nothing to do with the
question at hand.

>then asking for them again in the odd way you do.
>
>http://www.care2.com/causes/93-of-senators-who-rejected-gun-control-paid-by-nra.html
>
>Among the top NRA recipients are Roy Blunt (Missouri) with $60,550 and
>Saxby Chambliss (Georgia) with $56,950. Fellow Republican Senators
>John Thune (South Dakota), Lindsey Graham (South Carolina) and Jim
>Inhofe (Oklahoma) have each received well over $40,000 apiece, as
>well.
>
>While donations of this sort are generally made during election
>cycles, at least two Senators suspiciously received money from the gun
>industry in recent weeks. During the month of March, Richard Burr
>(North Carolina) and Dan Coats (Indiana) had donations from an
>ammunition manufacturer and shooting group. Considering that these
>donations came at a time when gun control looked more likely to pass,
>their potential impact cannot be discredited.

What on earth is suspicious about it? Are there still democrats that
are so stupid they don't know what the NRA lobbies for?

>In fact, there may be many more donations made by the gun lobby in
>recent months that we are not aware of yet.

Hee hee.

The list of things you freaks aren't 'aware of" is pretty long.

>>How will that help them win when they voted AGAINSt legislation NINETY
>>PERCENT of America supposedly wants?
>
>It won't, that's what the current GOP civil war is about, the total
>failure of dark money to swing the last election.

Ah, so your position is that these senators knowingly committed
political suicide for, oh, say, $50 large?

Is that right?

[chuckle]

>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>
>>Why will these 90% vote for them?
>
>They won't, that'ds why so many republicans are bailing and quitting
>while they are ahead.

So background checks getting shot down was actually a VICTORY for you,
wasn't it? It will allow you to clean house.

Congratulations!

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>> The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>> their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>> issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>> disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>> forgotten.
>>
>
>You are certainly free to delude yourself in whatever manner comfor5s you,
>but the questions remains, wanna bet?
>
>Dems will not take the House

FWIMBW the polls say otherwise

http://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-republicans-house-poll-2014-2013-4

When asked which party they would support if an election for the U.S.
House of Representatives were held today, 43 percent of those polled
said they would support the Democrat to 35 percent supporting the
Republican.

One final key finding of the poll is the widespread dissatisfaction of
self-identified Republicans with their own party. Only 63 percent of
Republicans have a positive opinion of their own party.

>and might lose the Senate. They will certainly lose seats.

To who?

First the GOP civil war has to be fought to a conclusion, the Tea
Party exterminated,then six electable candidates who aren't nut cases
have to be found.

Not an easy task in today's shambling suicidal GOP.

The Koch brothers can be expected to foul the waters again which,
ironically, can only help the democrats.

EXCLUSIVE: Read the Koch Brothers' Plans for Their Upcoming GOP Donor
Retreat

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/koch-brothers-donor-retreat-agenda-hispanic-candidate-recruiting

According to a previously unpublished preview of the April 28-29
gathering, the Kochs will unveil a new plan to recruit and train
political candidates who will advance their free-market worldview.
Another priority is improving the conservative movement's outreach to
"growing demographics" such as Latinos, young people, and women. The
preview, obtained by Mother Jones, was emailed to attendees in March
by Kevin Gentry, a top Koch aide. (A Koch spokeswoman did not respond
to requests for comment about Gentry's email.)

Another big item on the Kochs' agenda is a long-awaited post-mortem on
last year's elections. Charles Koch announced in December that he was
pushing back the winter retreat from January to late April so that an
internal review of his circle's election strategies could be
completed.

Despite raising hundreds of millions of dollars, the Kochs, their
allies, and groups they bankrolled failed to defeat President Obama,
retake control of the Senate, or increase the Republican majority in
the House. In his email, Gentry promises a "rigorous post-election
assessment" that "must be geared toward productive next steps."

Then we have Karl Rove's efforts

GOP's Senate problem: A lack of viable candidates for 2014

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14496357-gops-senate-problem-a-lack-of-viable-candidates-in-2014

As the 2012 campaign season kicked off in 2011, Republicans were a
confident bunch. With President Barack Obama�s approval rating dipping
into the low 40s, they believed they had a good chance at winning the
White House. Not only that, they believed they had an excellent chance
at winning back control of the US Senate, too.

That�s when tea party irony entered the picture.

The tea party, a political movement defined primarily by anti-Obama
sentiments, played a major role in giving Republicans control of the
House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms. But what worked for
Republicans in 2010 worked against them in 2012.

And it could work against them in 2014, too.

Democrats will be defending 21 Senate seats next year, while
Republicans will only have to defend 14. The current Senate is made up
of 53 Democrats, 45 Republicans and two independents who caucus with
the Democrats. That means the GOP would need to pick up six seats to
regain control of the Senate and effectively shut down any legislative
agenda Obama might put forward in his final two years as president.

But first they have to find viable candidates, a task that is proving
to be an uphill battle.

An April 27 report by The Associated Press noted that �so far there�s
been a combination of no-thank-you�s from prospective Republican
candidates in Iowa, slow movement among others in Michigan and lack of
consensus elsewhere over a single contender.�

The tea party ghosts of 2012 are still be haunting the GOP as 2014
approaches.

Missouri serves as a good example of what went wrong for the GOP
nationally in 2012. Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill was about as
popular as Obamacare in the Show-Me State, which is to say she was on
the fast track to being tossed out of office. But Republicans found a
way to turn a likely win into an embarrassing defeat by nominating tea
party favorite Todd Akin, a US representative from the state�s 2nd
Congressional District, as their Senate candidate. It didn�t take long
for Akin to put his proverbial foot in his ill-informed mouth, saying
that women who get raped rarely get pregnant in an August 2012
television interview on The Jaco Report, aired by a St. Louis area Fox
News affiliate.

Oops.

Not only did Akin�s poorly chosen words cost the GOP in Missouri, his
pronouncement served to reinforce the Democrats� contention that
Republicans were waging a �war on women� at a nationally level.
Instead of Republicans winning the Senate, Democrats picked up a net
gain of two seats.

As 2014 gets closer, Republicans find themselves in a serious
quandary. The party�s most activist voters � those who turned out to
give primary wins to Akin and others like him, including eventual
general election loser Richard Mourdock in Indiana � show no signs of
abandoning their hardline views. Yet the kinds of candidates they are
apt to back have an awful track record when running against Democrats
in statewide races.

Longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove, credited with successfully
engineering the 2000 and 2004 campaigns of former Preisdent George W.
Bush, understands that Republicans can�t come across as misogynistic
misanthropes and still expect to win state and national races.

Rove formed the Conservative Victory Project after Obama�s re-election
to �to pump big money into local congressional primaries and prevent
Tea Party-endorsed candidates from scoring Senate nominations,�
according to a policymic.com report from earlier this year.

According to AP, in the sixth year of a presidency, �the party out of
power in the White House usually wins congressional seats.� But with
the tea party�s problematic presence and Obama�s approval ratings back
at in the 50 percent range, simply being against the president may not
be enough to seal the deal with voters.

Too_Many_Tools

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On Apr 28, 11:21 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:05:19 -0600, deep wrote:
>
> > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> > ><too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> > >>LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> > >>will be a major issue.
>

> > >>Laugh..laugh..laugh..
>
> > >The conservatives are too stupid to realize that hey shot themselves
> > >in the foot, so to speak, over the gun control debacle.
>
> > Democrats are too fucking stupid to realize they can't win even WITH
> > 90% of the public "wanting" gun control.
>

> Gun control won't be the major issue, unless there's a few more school
> shootings, which you must admit is a possibility.
>
> It'll be major in the Repblican primaries. Blood will flow and Repblican
> campaign donations will dry up.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I disagree...those congressmen who voted against the recent gun
control changes.

20 dead 1st graders carry enormous weight in the voting booth.

That is why the Republicans were fighting tooth and nail to prevent a
public record of their votes...and now we know who to target come
election time.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On Apr 28, 11:23 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:02:57 -0600, deep wrote:
>
> > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT), Mighty Wannabe
> > ><mightwann...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > >>On Apr 28, 1:37 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> > >>> will be a major issue.
>
> > >>> Laugh..laugh..laugh..
>

> > >>> TMT
>
> > >>Gun grab will be a reality. The USA is maturing into a civil society.

> > >>No more gun loons shooting up universities, primary schools,
> > >>kindergartens, movie theaters, and Safeway parking lots. Good people
> > >>are sharing and enjoying the bounty of the land, complete with
> > >>universal healthcare for everyone. Unrepentant 2nd Amendment loons
> > >>won't have their gun toys to hug and kiss goodnight, and will be
> > >>crying themselves to sleep at night.
>
> > >..."from their cold dead hands."
>
> > >works for me.
>
> > Good. I'll take your AR
>
> I wonder if the gun nuts realize how few Americans believe that gun
> confiscations are probable.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

None of them...that is why they are called gun loons.

And for the loons, most will lose their guns.

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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Apr 29, 2013, 5:30:53 AM4/29/13

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On Apr 28, 11:27 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:39:00 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
> > <D...@null.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

> > ><No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >>Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > >>news:5e02d900-27f0-4d0f- bdbe-441e55552...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>

> > >>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun control
> > >>> will be a major issue.
>

> > >>Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>

> > >The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
> > >their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
> > >issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
> > >disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
> > >forgotten.
>

> > You're right. the laughter at liberal impotence will continue well
> > into the 22nd century.
>
> > So tell me- how come you couldn't get the legislation signed with
> > NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICA behind you?
>

> you don't really believe that that wimpy bill is the last, do you?
> There will be more and more gun restrictions. Every year new bills. America
> is reaching maturity, at last. The old days are over.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

It was the start...and it was expected to be voted down.

It is just a step to eliminate the opposition...more steps are coming.

TMT

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Apr 29, 2013, 5:32:07 AM4/29/13

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On Apr 28, 11:32 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On Apr 28, 4:55=A0pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>
> > > <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in

> > > >news:5e02d900-27f0-4d=

> > 0f-
> > > >bdbe-441e55552...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > >> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun
> > > >> control will be a major issue.
>
> > > >Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>
> > > $10 says TMT doesnt live through it.
>
> > What? Gummer is putting a bounty on my head.
>
> > LOL...too bad the dumb SOB doesn't have $10.
>
> > Laugh..laugh..laugh...
>
> > TMT
>

> Well he hasn't threatened to kill you, like he did me. If i won a bet from
> him I'd be hesitant to go and collect.
>
> Anyway I don't make election bets under a thousand dollars or their
> equivalent in goods and services.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Mark Wieber is a fool...a conservative fool.

Law enforcement is aware of him...and is watching.

TMT

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On Apr 29, 12:06 am, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:58:09 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>

> <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> >GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
> >news:ar4rn89eghetn1698...@4ax.com:
>
> >> The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
> >> their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
> >> issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
> >> disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
> >> forgotten.
>
> >You are certainly free to delude yourself in whatever manner comfor5s you,
> >but the questions remains, wanna bet?
>
> >Dems will not take the House
>
> FWIMBW the polls say otherwise
>

> http://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-republicans-house-poll-2014-...

>
> When asked which party they would support if an election for the U.S.
> House of Representatives were held today, 43 percent of those polled
> said they would support the Democrat to 35 percent supporting the
> Republican.
>
> One final key finding of the poll is the widespread dissatisfaction of
> self-identified Republicans with their own party. Only 63 percent of
> Republicans have a positive opinion of their own party.
>
> >and might lose the Senate. They will certainly lose seats.
>
> To who?
>
> First the GOP civil war has to be fought to a conclusion, the Tea
> Party exterminated,then six electable candidates who aren't nut cases
> have to be found.
>
> Not an easy task in today's shambling suicidal GOP.
>
> The Koch brothers can be expected to foul the waters again which,
> ironically, can only help the democrats.
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Read the Koch Brothers' Plans for Their Upcoming GOP Donor
> Retreat
>

> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/koch-brothers-donor-retre...

>
> According to a previously unpublished preview of the April 28-29
> gathering, the Kochs will unveil a new plan to recruit and train
> political candidates who will advance their free-market worldview.
> Another priority is improving the conservative movement's outreach to
> "growing demographics" such as Latinos, young people, and women. The
> preview, obtained by Mother Jones, was emailed to attendees in March
> by Kevin Gentry, a top Koch aide. (A Koch spokeswoman did not respond
> to requests for comment about Gentry's email.)
>
> Another big item on the Kochs' agenda is a long-awaited post-mortem on
> last year's elections. Charles Koch announced in December that he was
> pushing back the winter retreat from January to late April so that an
> internal review of his circle's election strategies could be
> completed.
>
> Despite raising hundreds of millions of dollars, the Kochs, their
> allies, and groups they bankrolled failed to defeat President Obama,
> retake control of the Senate, or increase the Republican majority in
> the House. In his email, Gentry promises a "rigorous post-election
> assessment" that "must be geared toward productive next steps."
>
> Then we have Karl Rove's efforts
>
> GOP's Senate problem: A lack of viable candidates for 2014
>

> http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14496357-gops-senate-proble...

>
> As the 2012 campaign season kicked off in 2011, Republicans were a

> confident bunch. With President Barack Obamaï¿½s approval rating dipping

> into the low 40s, they believed they had a good chance at winning the
> White House. Not only that, they believed they had an excellent chance
> at winning back control of the US Senate, too.
>

> Thatï¿½s when tea party irony entered the picture.

>
> The tea party, a political movement defined primarily by anti-Obama
> sentiments, played a major role in giving Republicans control of the
> House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms. But what worked for
> Republicans in 2010 worked against them in 2012.
>
> And it could work against them in 2014, too.
>
> Democrats will be defending 21 Senate seats next year, while
> Republicans will only have to defend 14. The current Senate is made up
> of 53 Democrats, 45 Republicans and two independents who caucus with
> the Democrats. That means the GOP would need to pick up six seats to
> regain control of the Senate and effectively shut down any legislative
> agenda Obama might put forward in his final two years as president.
>
> But first they have to find viable candidates, a task that is proving
> to be an uphill battle.
>

> An April 27 report by The Associated Press noted that ï¿½so far thereï¿½s
> been a combination of no-thank-youï¿½s from prospective Republican

> candidates in Iowa, slow movement among others in Michigan and lack of

> consensus elsewhere over a single contender.ï¿½

>
> The tea party ghosts of 2012 are still be haunting the GOP as 2014
> approaches.
>
> Missouri serves as a good example of what went wrong for the GOP
> nationally in 2012. Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill was about as
> popular as Obamacare in the Show-Me State, which is to say she was on
> the fast track to being tossed out of office. But Republicans found a
> way to turn a likely win into an embarrassing defeat by nominating tea

> party favorite Todd Akin, a US representative from the stateï¿½s 2nd
> Congressional District, as their Senate candidate. It didnï¿½t take long

> for Akin to put his proverbial foot in his ill-informed mouth, saying
> that women who get raped rarely get pregnant in an August 2012
> television interview on The Jaco Report, aired by a St. Louis area Fox
> News affiliate.
>
> Oops.
>

> Not only did Akinï¿½s poorly chosen words cost the GOP in Missouri, his
> pronouncement served to reinforce the Democratsï¿½ contention that
> Republicans were waging a ï¿½war on womenï¿½ at a nationally level.

> Instead of Republicans winning the Senate, Democrats picked up a net
> gain of two seats.
>
> As 2014 gets closer, Republicans find themselves in a serious

> quandary. The partyï¿½s most activist voters ï¿½ those who turned out to

> give primary wins to Akin and others like him, including eventual

> general election loser Richard Mourdock in Indiana ï¿½ show no signs of

> abandoning their hardline views. Yet the kinds of candidates they are
> apt to back have an awful track record when running against Democrats
> in statewide races.
>
> Longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove, credited with successfully
> engineering the 2000 and 2004 campaigns of former Preisdent George W.

> Bush, understands that Republicans canï¿½t come across as misogynistic

> misanthropes and still expect to win state and national races.
>

> Rove formed the Conservative Victory Project after Obamaï¿½s re-election
> to ï¿½to pump big money into local congressional primaries and prevent
> Tea Party-endorsed candidates from scoring Senate nominations,ï¿½

> according to a policymic.com report from earlier this year.
>

> According to AP, in the sixth year of a presidency, ï¿½the party out of
> power in the White House usually wins congressional seats.ï¿½ But with
> the tea partyï¿½s problematic presence and Obamaï¿½s approval ratings back

> at in the 50 percent range, simply being against the president may not
> be enough to seal the deal with voters.

It is very feasible that President Obama will have a very tough gun
control bill passed as his legacy.

And the Republicans are doing everything to help him get it.

TMT

Jeff M

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On 4/28/2013 10:58 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
> news:ar4rn89eghetn1698...@4ax.com:
>
>> The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>> their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>> issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>> disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>> forgotten.
>>
>
> You are certainly free to delude yourself in whatever manner comfor5s you,
> but the questions remains, wanna bet?
>
> Dems will not take the House and might lose the Senate. They will certainly

You may be right. The party in the White House, especially with a lame
duck President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
barring some special circumstance.

Jeff M

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On 4/28/2013 10:58 PM, Gray Guest wrote:

> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
> news:ar4rn89eghetn1698...@4ax.com:
>
>> The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>> their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>> issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>> disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>> forgotten.
>>
>
> You are certainly free to delude yourself in whatever manner comfor5s you,
> but the questions remains, wanna bet?
>
> Dems will not take the House and might lose the Senate. They will certainly
> lose seats.

Klaus Schadenfreude

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:45:04 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
<D...@null.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:36:05 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>Ah, so your position is that these senators knowingly committed
>>political suicide for, oh, say, $50 large?
>>
>>Is that right?
>>
>>[chuckle]
>
>
>

[crickets.wav]

>
>
>
>>>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>>>
>>>>Why will these 90% vote for them?
>>>
>>>They won't, that'ds why so many republicans are bailing and quitting
>>>while they are ahead.
>>
>>So background checks getting shot down was actually a VICTORY for you,
>>wasn't it? It will allow you to clean house.
>>
>>Congratulations!
>
>Time will tell but it's certain that the GOP politicians victory was
>certainly Pyrrhic.

And you can't explain why GOP *AND* Democrat Senators traded $50K for
certain defeat.

Is that right?

>Like they say President Obama plays three dimensional chess while the
>republicans think they are playing checkers.

Nobody in their right mind says that. Obama isn't exactly a great
thinker.

Message has been deleted

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:31 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Apr 28, 8:18 pm, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:53:04 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> > <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 14:39:00 -0700, GOP_Decline_and_Fall
> > ><D...@null.net> wrote:

> >
> > >>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
> > >><No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in

news:5e02d900-27f0-=
> 4d0f-

> > >>>bdbe-441e55552...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > >>>> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and

gun contro=

> l
> > >>>> will be a major issue.
> >
> > >>>Wanna bet some major coin on that?
> >

> > >>The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic
growth and
> > >>their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a

bigge=

> r
> > >>issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the

flagran=

> t
> > >>disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely
to be
> > >>forgotten.
> >

> > >You're right. the laughter at liberal impotence will continue
well
> > >into the 22nd century.
> >
> > >So tell me- how come you couldn't get the legislation signed with
> > >NINETY PERCENT OF AMERICA behind you?
> >

> > You really don't know?
> > It's no mystery.
> >
> > 93% of Senators Who Rejected Gun Control Paid by NRA
> >
> > When 90% of Americans want increased gun control policies and
their
> > elected officials reject even minimal reform, it begs the
question,
> > who exactly are our Congress members representing? Well, as
usual, the
> > money tells a significant part of the story: 42 out of the 45
Senators
> > who voted no on the recent bill have received significant
donations
> > from the gun lobby.
> >

> > Politicians are bought! Politics are corrupt! Corporate in=

> terests
> > over the welfare of citizens! You ve probably heard it all

before an=

> d
> > this kind of thing sadly no longer surprises you. But even if

it=

> s
> > something you ve come to expect, that doesn t make it any less
> > disgusting or any less important to remind everyone how flawed the
> > system is.
> >
> > [Continued]
> >
> >

http://www.care2.com/causes/93-of-senators-who-rejected-gun-control-p..
.-=

> Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

> And those Congressmen will be targeted when their reelection comes
> up...you can bet on.

> TMT

As will the dumb asses who voted on your side. We'll see who wins.

Gray Guest

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>
>

When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

I don't give a fuck what the polls say.

I do care that you won't take the bet. Tells me all I need to know.

Too_Many_Tools

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> As will the dumb asses who voted on your side. We'll see who wins.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...the Democrats will win.

And we will be one step closer to taking YOUR guns away Little Boy.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT

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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 02:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
>news:55urn8pk7o32momj7...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>>
>
>When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
>
>I don't give a fuck what the polls say.
>
>I do care that you won't take the bet. Tells me all I need to know.

The coin, as you call it, is already being placed.

Why not make yourself a few bucks to console yourself?

https://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=769773

Democratic Party to retain control of the US Senate in 2014 mid-term
elections

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Apr 30, 2013, 1:37:53 AM4/30/13

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On Apr 29, 9:36 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote innews:55urn8pk7o32momj7...@4ax.com:

LOL...again you lie.

You care very much what the polls say.

You are in denial...like every conservative.

As Herman Cain returned your money....or did he spend on another
whore.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

Gray Guest

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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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Nope. I'd rather take your money. By force if possible.

Too_Many_Tools

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On Apr 30, 8:41 pm, Gray Guest <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote innews:0jlun890o60qr0ml2...@4ax.com:

> THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...empty words from a little man.

Grey Gonads has been kissing Herman "the Perv" Cain's ass for months
trying to get his donation back.

I bet Horny Herman bought another one legged whore with Grey Gonads
donation...you can't get much for a dollar since the Bush Crash of
'08.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

May 1, 2013, 11:29:12 AM5/1/13

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Victims of the Obama socialist economy.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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"Denny" <dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:20130501102634.372

Ot question. I've heard the phrase "decent, hard-working people" all my
life. It usually means Poor White People. There's a lot of those folks
where I live, God bless them. But what do you call them when they've lost
their jobs, with no prospects. What will be the new phrase?

Tom Sr.

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May 1, 2013, 11:51:46 AM5/1/13

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On Apr 29, 7:03 am, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
> You may be right.

You may be wrong.

> The party in the White House, especially with a lame duck
> President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
> barring some special circumstance.

Things change.

--------
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/voters-in-poll-want-1-party-running-white-house-congress.html

*Voters in Poll Want 1 Party Running White House, Congress*
by Jonathan D. Salant
May 1, 2013

U.S. voters would prefer a White House and Congress controlled by one
political party, according to a poll out today that also gives the
Democrats a slight edge in next year’s congressional elections.

The survey by Hamden, Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University showed
48 percent of voters saying they want the same party in charge of both
the executive and legislative branches, while 43 percent said they
wanted political power divided. The Democrats currently control the
White House and the Senate while the Republicans hold a majority in
the House.

Voters who said they were independents favored divided government, 53
percent to 35 percent.

By a 41 percent to 37 percent margin, voters said they would support a
Democratic congressional candidate over a Republican nominee.
Democrats would need a net pickup of 17 seats to win back the House.

“The question, of course, is whether that margin will be there in 18
months when voters to go to the polls,” said Peter Brown, assistant
director of the Quinnipiac polling institute.

Under the last four presidents to serve two four-year terms, the party
that didn’t control the White House gained congressional seats during
three of the four off-year elections following the chief executive’s
re-election, the exception being the Democratic gains in 1998 under
Bill Clinton.

In the latest poll, Democrats were helped by the same edge among women
that propelled President Barack Obama to a second term. Women voters
said they would vote for a Democratic congressional candidate over a
Republican, 44 percent to 35 percent. Men would vote Republican, 39
percent to 38 percent.

Budget Cuts

House Republicans in March approved a budget plan that would cut food
stamps and college aid and replace traditional Medicare with vouchers
to buy either private insurance or a government plan with a cap on
expenditures. A Senate Democratic plan would raise taxes on wealthy
Americans instead.

Along with their polling edge, Democrats have been able to open up an
early fundraising advantage. The Democratic Congressional Campaign
Committee, which aids the party’s House candidates, brought in $22.6
million from Jan. 1 to March 31, while its counterpart, the National
Republican Congressional Committee, raised $17.5 million, according to
filings with the Federal Election Commission. The DCCC entered April
with $8.9 million to spend; the Republicans had $8.1 million.

As the automatic federal spending cuts known as sequestration sink in,
voters disapproved of congressional Republicans, 67 percent to 24
percent, as well as congressional Democrats, 60 percent to 31
percent.

Job Approval

Voters “are down on both groups, just Democrats a bit less,” Brown
said.

Obama, meanwhile, had a 48 percent job-approval rating, compared with
45 percent who disapproved. Even so, voters disagreed with the way he
was handling the economy, 53 percent to 41 percent; and gun policy
following the killings of 20 elementary school students in Newtown,
Connecticut, 52 percent to 41 percent.

In the survey, which was conducted after the April 15 Boston Marathon
bombing, voters said they approved of the president’s handling of
terrorism 55 percent to 38 percent.

The poll of 1,471 registered voters, taken April 25-29, had a margin
of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.
--------

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May 1, 2013, 12:33:03 PM5/1/13

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On 5/1/2013 10:51 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:03 am, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
>> You may be right.
>
> You may be wrong.
>
>> The party in the White House, especially with a lame duck
>> President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
>> barring some special circumstance.
>
> Things change.

These political concepts, although related, are two different things.

> --------
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/voters-in-poll-want-1-party-running-white-house-congress.html
>
> *Voters in Poll Want 1 Party Running White House, Congress*
> by Jonathan D. Salant
> May 1, 2013
>
> U.S. voters would prefer a White House and Congress controlled by one
> political party, according to a poll out today that also gives the

> Democrats a slight edge in next yearï¿½s congressional elections.

>
> The survey by Hamden, Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University showed
> 48 percent of voters saying they want the same party in charge of both
> the executive and legislative branches, while 43 percent said they
> wanted political power divided. The Democrats currently control the
> White House and the Senate while the Republicans hold a majority in
> the House.
>
> Voters who said they were independents favored divided government, 53
> percent to 35 percent.
>
> By a 41 percent to 37 percent margin, voters said they would support a
> Democratic congressional candidate over a Republican nominee.
> Democrats would need a net pickup of 17 seats to win back the House.
>

> ï¿½The question, of course, is whether that margin will be there in 18
> months when voters to go to the polls,ï¿½ said Peter Brown, assistant

> director of the Quinnipiac polling institute.
>
> Under the last four presidents to serve two four-year terms, the party

> that didnï¿½t control the White House gained congressional seats during
> three of the four off-year elections following the chief executiveï¿½s

> re-election, the exception being the Democratic gains in 1998 under
> Bill Clinton.
>
> In the latest poll, Democrats were helped by the same edge among women
> that propelled President Barack Obama to a second term. Women voters
> said they would vote for a Democratic congressional candidate over a
> Republican, 44 percent to 35 percent. Men would vote Republican, 39
> percent to 38 percent.
>
> Budget Cuts
>
> House Republicans in March approved a budget plan that would cut food
> stamps and college aid and replace traditional Medicare with vouchers
> to buy either private insurance or a government plan with a cap on
> expenditures. A Senate Democratic plan would raise taxes on wealthy
> Americans instead.
>
> Along with their polling edge, Democrats have been able to open up an
> early fundraising advantage. The Democratic Congressional Campaign

> Committee, which aids the partyï¿½s House candidates, brought in $22.6

> million from Jan. 1 to March 31, while its counterpart, the National
> Republican Congressional Committee, raised $17.5 million, according to
> filings with the Federal Election Commission. The DCCC entered April
> with $8.9 million to spend; the Republicans had $8.1 million.
>
> As the automatic federal spending cuts known as sequestration sink in,
> voters disapproved of congressional Republicans, 67 percent to 24
> percent, as well as congressional Democrats, 60 percent to 31
> percent.
>
> Job Approval
>

> Voters ï¿½are down on both groups, just Democrats a bit less,ï¿½ Brown

> said.
>
> Obama, meanwhile, had a 48 percent job-approval rating, compared with
> 45 percent who disapproved. Even so, voters disagreed with the way he
> was handling the economy, 53 percent to 41 percent; and gun policy
> following the killings of 20 elementary school students in Newtown,
> Connecticut, 52 percent to 41 percent.
>
> In the survey, which was conducted after the April 15 Boston Marathon

> bombing, voters said they approved of the presidentï¿½s handling of

Too_Many_Tools

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May 1, 2013, 3:10:23 PM5/1/13

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On May 1, 10:51 am, "Tom Sr." <thomas.swift.sen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 29, 7:03 am, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
>
> > You may be right.
>
> You may be wrong.
>
> > The party in the White House, especially with a lame duck
> > President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
> > barring some special circumstance.
>
> Things change.
>

> --------http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/voters-in-poll-want-1-party-...

I would agree...as to many other political observers.

The big tell is any Republican with a brain is saying "No thanks" to
invitations to run.

They KNOW 2014 is going to be a blood bath for Republicans.

The latest gun control fisaco just added to the certainity that
conservatives are going to be beaten to a pulp.

TMT

Mighty Wannabe

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May 1, 2013, 5:43:41 PM5/1/13

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On May 1, 10:26 am, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:

> Wallop? You're making that up!
> Just kidding.

>
> Ot question. I've heard the phrase "decent, hard-working people" all my
> life. It usually means Poor White People. There's a lot of those folks
> where I live, God bless them. But what do you call them when they've lost
> their jobs, with no prospects. What will be the new phrase?

The new phrase is "Fucked over by GOP and Bush". Bush fell asleep on
his job and 911 happened right under his nose. Bush created a 10-
trillion-dollar-war that you cannot afford. Bush created a housing
bubble that popped during his terms of office. Bush created major
financial meltdown which wiped out pension funds and savings of middle-
class Americans. Bush created a massive recession that is the biggest
ever since the Great Depression. Bush outsourced all US jobs to China.
The USA is fucked beyond recognition by the Republicans and Bushit the
Major Fuckup in Chief.

Gray Guest

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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
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Allow me to clarify. My study of history reveals one, pervasive fact. There
are always those that think they are better and smarter than the everyone
else. You know commies, Nazis, Democrats, the like. It's always the same
lies, the same behavior, eventually everyone comes to grief and then the
survivors rebuild and to many of the vermin go unpunished.

By not ignoring the problem until it's to late like so many have before,
perhaps the good guys will get not the first strike but the counter strike.

Honestly, I hope you and your fellow travelers die. Badly and painfully and
soon.

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"Mighty Wannabe" <mightw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Every President falls asleep on the job. Since being President is a 24/7
job.

> and 911 happened right under his nose.

Sure. So what?

> Bush created a 10-
> trillion-dollar-war that you cannot afford.

Cost to date on Iraq and Afghanistan is less than $2 Trillion.

Try again when you know what you're talking about.

Scout

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"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Don't forget Benghazi... in that case he actually went to bed in the middle
of it.

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On 4/29/2013 12:43 AM, Denny wrote:
> Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:

>> On 4/28/2013 9:18 PM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
>>
>>> 93% of Senators Who Rejected Gun Control Paid by NRA
>>>
>>

>> So, Your Democrat Senators are on the take. If they are whores for the
>> NRA, what other groups are controlling them? I'm not surprised but it
>> DOES surprise me to see a lefty admit it.T
>
> They're just taking care of their home folks.
> They're from the ole Heartland. From areas with few people and many cattle.
> Now and then, even US Senators have to listen to the ignorant side of the
> nighborhood. Even Abe Lincoln had to ally himself with wierd Know-Nothings
> and looney abolitionists. It's the American way.
>

Yes! Senators do whatever 1% of what their constituents tell them to
do. And, only morons own cattle or want to abolish slavery. After all,
Democrats STILL keep black people in slavery, keep 'em on the plantation
and votin' Democrat!

Tom Gardner

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On 5/1/2013 10:26 AM, Denny wrote:

> Wallop? You're making that up!
> Just kidding.
>
> Ot question. I've heard the phrase "decent, hard-working people" all my
> life. It usually means Poor White People. There's a lot of those folks
> where I live, God bless them. But what do you call them when they've lost
> their jobs, with no prospects. What will be the new phrase?
>

Victims of Obammy!

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On 02 May 2013 03:23:02 GMT, dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On May 1, 10:51=A0am, "Tom Sr." <thomas.swift.sen...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > On Apr 29, 7:03=A0am, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > You may be right.
>> >
>> > You may be wrong.
>> >
>> > > The party in the White House, especially with a lame duck
>> > > President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
>> > > barring some special circumstance.
>> >
>> > Things change.
>> >
>> > --------http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/voters-in-poll-want-1-

>> > pa=

>> rty-...
>> >
>> > *Voters in Poll Want 1 Party Running White House, Congress*
>> > by Jonathan D. Salant
>> > May 1, 2013
>> >
>> > U.S. voters would prefer a White House and Congress controlled by one
>> > political party, according to a poll out today that also gives the

>> > Democrats a slight edge in next year=92s congressional elections.

>> >
>> > The survey by Hamden, Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University showed
>> > 48 percent of voters saying they want the same party in charge of both
>> > the executive and legislative branches, while 43 percent said they
>> > wanted political power divided. The Democrats currently control the
>> > White House and the Senate while the Republicans hold a majority in
>> > the House.
>> >
>> > Voters who said they were independents favored divided government, 53
>> > percent to 35 percent.
>> >
>> > By a 41 percent to 37 percent margin, voters said they would support a
>> > Democratic congressional candidate over a Republican nominee.
>> > Democrats would need a net pickup of 17 seats to win back the House.
>> >

>> > =93The question, of course, is whether that margin will be there in 18
>> > months when voters to go to the polls,=94 said Peter Brown, assistant

>> > director of the Quinnipiac polling institute.
>> >
>> > Under the last four presidents to serve two four-year terms, the party

>> > that didn=92t control the White House gained congressional seats during
>> > three of the four off-year elections following the chief executive=92s

>> > re-election, the exception being the Democratic gains in 1998 under
>> > Bill Clinton.
>> >
>> > In the latest poll, Democrats were helped by the same edge among women
>> > that propelled President Barack Obama to a second term. Women voters
>> > said they would vote for a Democratic congressional candidate over a
>> > Republican, 44 percent to 35 percent. Men would vote Republican, 39
>> > percent to 38 percent.
>> >
>> > Budget Cuts
>> >
>> > House Republicans in March approved a budget plan that would cut food
>> > stamps and college aid and replace traditional Medicare with vouchers
>> > to buy either private insurance or a government plan with a cap on
>> > expenditures. A Senate Democratic plan would raise taxes on wealthy
>> > Americans instead.
>> >
>> > Along with their polling edge, Democrats have been able to open up an
>> > early fundraising advantage. The Democratic Congressional Campaign

>> > Committee, which aids the party=92s House candidates, brought in $22.6

>> > million from Jan. 1 to March 31, while its counterpart, the National
>> > Republican Congressional Committee, raised $17.5 million, according to
>> > filings with the Federal Election Commission. The DCCC entered April
>> > with $8.9 million to spend; the Republicans had $8.1 million.
>> >
>> > As the automatic federal spending cuts known as sequestration sink in,
>> > voters disapproved of congressional Republicans, 67 percent to 24
>> > percent, as well as congressional Democrats, 60 percent to 31
>> > percent.
>> >
>> > Job Approval
>> >

>> > Voters =93are down on both groups, just Democrats a bit less,=94 Brown

>> > said.
>> >
>> > Obama, meanwhile, had a 48 percent job-approval rating, compared with
>> > 45 percent who disapproved. Even so, voters disagreed with the way he
>> > was handling the economy, 53 percent to 41 percent; and gun policy
>> > following the killings of 20 elementary school students in Newtown,
>> > Connecticut, 52 percent to 41 percent.
>> >
>> > In the survey, which was conducted after the April 15 Boston Marathon

>> > bombing, voters said they approved of the president=92s handling of

>> > terrorism 55 percent to 38 percent.
>> >
>> > The poll of 1,471 registered voters, taken April 25-29, had a margin
>> > of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.
>> > --------
>> >
>> > .
>> >
>> > -----
>> > -----
>> > Please Note:
>> >
>> > In select newsgroups my post will be followed by an out-of-date, cut-
>> > and-paste, SHRIEKING ranting and raving post by Bob Milby Jr., aka
>> > Patriot Games, aka Buster Norris, aka 10,000s of Sockpuppets -- Winner

>> > of The alt.usenet.kooks Awards: =A0Palmjob Paddle (July 2008)*, KO0k of

>> > the Month (Sept. 2012)**, and the Order of the Holey Sockpuppet (Oct.
>> > 2012)!***
>> >

>> > =A0 =A0 =A0* This award is given to the person who gets spanked (as in,

>> > thrashed) the most in a given month by other posters or even himself.

>> > =A0 =A0 =A0** Given to someone whose Kookery is judged to have
>> > surpassed =
>> all
>> > others.
>> > =A0 =A0 =A0*** =A0For those most prolific in the art of, abiet thinly,

>> > disguising their net.presence behind whatever nose and glasses they
>> > can concoct.
>> >
>> > We hope to return you to more rational posting after this brief,
>> > psychotic interruption.
>> > ------
>> > ------
>>
>> I would agree...as to many other political observers.
>>
>> The big tell is any Republican with a brain is saying "No thanks" to
>> invitations to run.
>>
>> They KNOW 2014 is going to be a blood bath for Republicans.
>>
>> The latest gun control fisaco just added to the certainity that
>> conservatives are going to be beaten to a pulp.
>>
>> TMT
>

>And so much time left for more fiascos yet to come.
>Cruz, Perry. The Republicans must be terrified.

Not to mention a potential 11 million Hispanic voters waiting in the
wings.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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On Wed, 1 May 2013 23:58:43 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

Lunatics wanting to murder hard working Americans and steal their
money isn't a particularly popular electoral platform outside of your
private Idaho.

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> and votin' Democrat!- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...hey the "black"people out voted the "white" people in 2012...and
will from now on.

You are history.

TMT

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On May 1, 10:49 pm, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
> On 02 May 2013 03:23:02 GMT, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:

> wings.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Who will vote Democrat.

Republicans are SCREWED!

Laugh..laugh..laugh...
"

TMT

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May 2, 2013, 2:44:21 AM5/2/13

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On May 1, 4:43 pm, Mighty Wannabe <mightw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Bush fell asleep on his job and 911 happened right under his nose.
>

I'd like to see evidence of Bush's responsiblitiy for the 9/11
attacks.

However; there is more than ample evidence that the 9/11 plot was
conceived and financed, and the terrorists trained for the attack
_completely_ on Clinton's watch:

Planning of the (11 Attacks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Planning_of_the_attacks

And remind us again how Bush was involved in turning down Sudan's
offer to give the Clinton administration Osama bin Laden on a silver
platter:

LA Tmes:

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-
president and his advisors didn't respond.
December 05, 2001 | Mansoor Ijaz

President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief.

President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions
against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden
and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed
by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-
terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man
to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/dec/05/opinion/oe-ijaz05

You also seem to forget that Obbama has his _own_ "9/11" on his
resume: Bengazi, Libya.

Now, MW; tell us how Bush was responsible for the death of the first
U.S. diplomat in more than two decades - Chris Stevens:

From CNN:

Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/us/benghazi-what-happened

And from the UK Mail:

Hillary Clinton reveals what REALLY led to Benghazi massacre - and
demolishes White House claim it was triggered by anti-Islam film

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215431/Death-U-S-ambassador-Chris-Stevens-revealed-AK-47s-grenade-attacks-smoke-filled-safe-room.html

Yea, MW; we know: But But But But BUT......_B_U_S_H_!!!

JohnJohnsn

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>
>
> On May 1, 10:49 pm, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
>

>> On 02 May 2013 03:23:02 GMT, dzweib...@yahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
>
>>>Too_Many_Trolls <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> On May 1, 10:51am, "Tom Sr." <thomas.sw...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>>>> On Apr 29, 7:03am, Jeff McCann <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You may be right.
>
>>>>> You may be wrong.
>
>>>>>> The party in the White House, especially with a lame duck
>>>>>> President, almost always loses seats in the midterm election,
>>>>>> barring some special circumstance.
>
>>>>> Things change.
>
>>>>> --------

>>>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/voters-in-poll-want-1-party-...

>>>>> Voters are down on both groups, just Democrats a bit less, Brown

>>>>> said.
>
>>>>> Obama, meanwhile, had a 48 percent job-approval rating, compared with
>>>>> 45 percent who disapproved. Even so, voters disagreed with the way he
>>>>> was handling the economy, 53 percent to 41 percent; and gun policy
>>>>> following the killings of 20 elementary school students in Newtown,
>>>>> Connecticut, 52 percent to 41 percent.
>
>>>>> In the survey, which was conducted after the April 15 Boston Marathon
>>>>> bombing, voters said they approved of the president=92s handling of
>>>>> terrorism 55 percent to 38 percent.
>
>>>>> The poll of 1,471 registered voters, taken April 25-29, had a margin
>>>>> of error of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points.
>

>>>> I would agree...as to many other political observers.
>
>>>> The big tell is any Republican with a brain is saying "No thanks" to
>>>> invitations to run.
>
>>>> They KNOW 2014 is going to be a blood bath for Republicans.
>
>>>> The latest gun control fisaco just added to the certainity that
>>>> conservatives are going to be beaten to a pulp.
>
>>>> TMT
>
>>> And so much time left for more fiascos yet to come.
>>> Cruz, Perry. The Republicans must be terrified.
>
>> Not to mention a potential 11 million Hispanic voters waiting in the
>> wings.
>

> Who will vote Democrat.
>
And here "TMT Jimmy" gives absolute PROOF as to why the Democrats are
so dead set against Voter ID laws: "11 million [illegal alien]
Hispanic voters waiting in the wings" for their chance to illegally
vote Democrat.

"TMT Jimmy" Anderson's Unintentional Honesty -- what a concept!

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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May 2, 2013, 3:41:20 AM5/2/13

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On 02 May 2013 04:13:15 GMT, dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:

>When they get angry enough, eventually it gets down to blind vicious
>unreasoning hatred.

This particular one regularly posts his terrorist dreams of feeding
people into wood chippers

Tom Gardner

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May 2, 2013, 5:21:10 PM5/2/13

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> Ignoring the sarcasm:
> Congressmen have to hang out with strange bedfellows in their never-ending
> quest for campaign contributions. It'll be that way until we have true
> campaign reform. Alas, the Republicans are invariably against reform.
> Remember the McCain-Fingold bill? Maybe our guys can take care of that
> after the Bloodbath.
>

Good luck with that!

Tom Gardner

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May 2, 2013, 5:25:30 PM5/2/13

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On 4/29/2013 1:06 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:58:09 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in

>> news:ar4rn89eghetn1698...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class ,economic growth and
>>> their frenzied efforts to destroy the recovery might well be a bigger
>>> issue as their poisonous efforts begin to bear fruit but the flagrant
>>> disregard of the wishes of 90% of the population are unlikely to be
>>> forgotten.
>>>
>>
>> You are certainly free to delude yourself in whatever manner comfor5s you,
>> but the questions remains, wanna bet?
>>
>> Dems will not take the House
>
> FWIMBW the polls say otherwise
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-republicans-house-poll-2014-2013-4
>
> When asked which party they would support if an election for the U.S.
> House of Representatives were held today, 43 percent of those polled
> said they would support the Democrat to 35 percent supporting the
> Republican.
>
> One final key finding of the poll is the widespread dissatisfaction of
> self-identified Republicans with their own party. Only 63 percent of
> Republicans have a positive opinion of their own party.
>
>> and might lose the Senate. They will certainly lose seats.
>
> To who?
>
> First the GOP civil war has to be fought to a conclusion, the Tea
> Party exterminated,then six electable candidates who aren't nut cases
> have to be found.
>
> Not an easy task in today's shambling suicidal GOP.
>
> The Koch brothers can be expected to foul the waters again which,
> ironically, can only help the democrats.
>
> EXCLUSIVE: Read the Koch Brothers' Plans for Their Upcoming GOP Donor
> Retreat
>
> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/koch-brothers-donor-retreat-agenda-hispanic-candidate-recruiting
>
> According to a previously unpublished preview of the April 28-29
> gathering, the Kochs will unveil a new plan to recruit and train
> political candidates who will advance their free-market worldview.
> Another priority is improving the conservative movement's outreach to
> "growing demographics" such as Latinos, young people, and women. The
> preview, obtained by Mother Jones, was emailed to attendees in March
> by Kevin Gentry, a top Koch aide. (A Koch spokeswoman did not respond
> to requests for comment about Gentry's email.)
>
> Another big item on the Kochs' agenda is a long-awaited post-mortem on
> last year's elections. Charles Koch announced in December that he was
> pushing back the winter retreat from January to late April so that an
> internal review of his circle's election strategies could be
> completed.
>
> Despite raising hundreds of millions of dollars, the Kochs, their
> allies, and groups they bankrolled failed to defeat President Obama,
> retake control of the Senate, or increase the Republican majority in
> the House. In his email, Gentry promises a "rigorous post-election
> assessment" that "must be geared toward productive next steps."
>
> Then we have Karl Rove's efforts
>
> GOP's Senate problem: A lack of viable candidates for 2014
>
> http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14496357-gops-senate-problem-a-lack-of-viable-candidates-in-2014
>
> As the 2012 campaign season kicked off in 2011, Republicans were a
> confident bunch. With President Barack Obamaï¿½s approval rating dipping
> into the low 40s, they believed they had a good chance at winning the
> White House. Not only that, they believed they had an excellent chance
> at winning back control of the US Senate, too.
>
> Thatï¿½s when tea party irony entered the picture.
>
> The tea party, a political movement defined primarily by anti-Obama
> sentiments, played a major role in giving Republicans control of the
> House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms. But what worked for
> Republicans in 2010 worked against them in 2012.
>
> And it could work against them in 2014, too.
>
> Democrats will be defending 21 Senate seats next year, while
> Republicans will only have to defend 14. The current Senate is made up
> of 53 Democrats, 45 Republicans and two independents who caucus with
> the Democrats. That means the GOP would need to pick up six seats to
> regain control of the Senate and effectively shut down any legislative
> agenda Obama might put forward in his final two years as president.
>
> But first they have to find viable candidates, a task that is proving
> to be an uphill battle.
>
> An April 27 report by The Associated Press noted that ï¿½so far thereï¿½s
> been a combination of no-thank-youï¿½s from prospective Republican
> candidates in Iowa, slow movement among others in Michigan and lack of
> consensus elsewhere over a single contender.ï¿½
>
> The tea party ghosts of 2012 are still be haunting the GOP as 2014
> approaches.
>
> Missouri serves as a good example of what went wrong for the GOP
> nationally in 2012. Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill was about as
> popular as Obamacare in the Show-Me State, which is to say she was on
> the fast track to being tossed out of office. But Republicans found a
> way to turn a likely win into an embarrassing defeat by nominating tea
> party favorite Todd Akin, a US representative from the stateï¿½s 2nd
> Congressional District, as their Senate candidate. It didnï¿½t take long
> for Akin to put his proverbial foot in his ill-informed mouth, saying
> that women who get raped rarely get pregnant in an August 2012
> television interview on The Jaco Report, aired by a St. Louis area Fox
> News affiliate.
>
> Oops.
>
> Not only did Akinï¿½s poorly chosen words cost the GOP in Missouri, his
> pronouncement served to reinforce the Democratsï¿½ contention that
> Republicans were waging a ï¿½war on womenï¿½ at a nationally level.
> Instead of Republicans winning the Senate, Democrats picked up a net
> gain of two seats.
>
> As 2014 gets closer, Republicans find themselves in a serious
> quandary. The partyï¿½s most activist voters ï¿½ those who turned out to
> give primary wins to Akin and others like him, including eventual
> general election loser Richard Mourdock in Indiana ï¿½ show no signs of
> abandoning their hardline views. Yet the kinds of candidates they are
> apt to back have an awful track record when running against Democrats
> in statewide races.
>
> Longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove, credited with successfully
> engineering the 2000 and 2004 campaigns of former Preisdent George W.
> Bush, understands that Republicans canï¿½t come across as misogynistic
> misanthropes and still expect to win state and national races.
>
> Rove formed the Conservative Victory Project after Obamaï¿½s re-election
> to ï¿½to pump big money into local congressional primaries and prevent
> Tea Party-endorsed candidates from scoring Senate nominations,ï¿½
> according to a policymic.com report from earlier this year.
>
> According to AP, in the sixth year of a presidency, ï¿½the party out of
> power in the White House usually wins congressional seats.ï¿½ But with
> the tea partyï¿½s problematic presence and Obamaï¿½s approval ratings back
> at in the 50 percent range, simply being against the president may not
> be enough to seal the deal with voters.
>

Mother Jones? Really? And, the rest of your sources are too far left
to have any credibility with anyone but the fringe left.

Tom Gardner

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May 2, 2013, 5:28:19 PM5/2/13

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On 4/29/2013 11:04 AM, Denny wrote:

> Great post. Well done.
> I'm grateful I've lived long enough to see these days.
>

Just what do you think will happen when you achieve your leftist Utopia?
Who will grow food and manufacture goods aqnd produce energy? Why
aren't the people you will mention doing it now? Who will pay taxes?
Who will create wealth? Why aren't they doing it now?

Tom Gardner

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May 2, 2013, 5:31:04 PM5/2/13

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On 5/1/2013 4:52 AM, GOP_Decline_and_Fall wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 01:41:26 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in

>> news:0jlun890o60qr0ml2...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 02:36:16 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

>>> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in

>>>> news:55urn8pk7o32momj7...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> I don't give a fuck what the polls say.
>>>>
>>>> I do care that you won't take the bet. Tells me all I need to know.
>>>
>>> The coin, as you call it, is already being placed.
>>>
>>> Why not make yourself a few bucks to console yourself?
>>>
>>> https://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=769773
>>>
>>> Democratic Party to retain control of the US Senate in 2014 mid-term
>>> elections
>>>
>>> 69.0% CHANCE
>>>
>>> Expiry value: $6.90 / share
>>>
>>> Expiry date: Mar 11, 2013 16:08 GMT
>>> Contract Type: 0-100
>>>
>>
>> Nope. I'd rather take your money. By force if possible.
>
> Of course.
>
> Theft, exploitation, fraud and violence against decent hard working
> people is your hallmark.
>
> That's exactly why you're are headed for the dumpster of history.
>

WOW, I've never met a "decent, hard working" Leftist before! Glad to
meet you! What do you do?

Gunner Asch

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May 2, 2013, 5:51:00 PM5/2/13

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After the Bloodbath...there wont be any Leftwingers left alive. Or
damned few of them.

How they gonna fix something? Oji board?

Too_Many_Tools

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May 2, 2013, 6:12:55 PM5/2/13

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On May 2, 1:56 am, JohnJohnsn <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 12:11 am, NRA hating suspected mail bomber and unindicted co-
> conspirator, "strawman" gun purchaser, and husband of triple-murderer,
> Amy Bishop, Usenet Kook James "TMT Jimmy" Anderson, James "TMT Jimmy"
> Anderson, a/k/a "Too_Many_Trolls/Even_Fewer_Brains"
>
>
>

> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 1, 10:49 pm, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
>
> >> On 02 May 2013 03:23:02 GMT, dzweib...@yahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
>
> >>>Too_Many_Trolls <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> "TMT Jimmy" Anderson's Unintentional Honesty -- what a concept!- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

And here "PsychoToy Cop" gives absolute no PROOF as to why the
Republicans are
so dead set against background checks laws: "Millions [illegal gun
owners]
white trash voters waiting in the wings" for their chance to
illegally
vote Republican.

"Psycho Toy Cop's" Unintentional Honesty -- what a concept!

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

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Too_Many_Tools

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On May 2, 2:41 am, GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:

> people into wood chippers- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Conservatives aspire to be the least that they can be.

He's another Gummer wannabe.

Like Gummer, he is living in a trailer, on welfare and can't pay his
taxes..makes his money at gay gun shows.

He only knows about wood chippers because he heats with wood and dog
dung.

TMT

Gray Guest

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May 2, 2013, 9:40:09 PM5/2/13

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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
news:rno3o89vhkkq6da89...@4ax.com:

Yes the Dems are soon to come to grief.

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

Gray Guest

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May 2, 2013, 9:41:22 PM5/2/13

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GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote in
news:ou54o8p31vaq4ru0l...@4ax.com:

Not terrorist dreams. reams of liberty unfettered by the likes of you.

Too_Many_Tools

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May 2, 2013, 9:58:15 PM5/2/13

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On May 1, 10:12 pm, "Scout"
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> "Mighty Wannabe" <mightwann...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> Try again when you know what you're talking about.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

So why didn't Bush and his merry band of Republican thieves pay for
it?

TMT

Too_Many_Tools

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On May 1, 10:44 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <ar4rn89eghetn16987ljp9f9403ljja...@4ax.com>,
> > GOP_Decline_and_Fall <D...@null.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:16:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
> > > <No_email_for_...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > >news:5e02d900-27f0-4d0f-
> > > >bdbe-441e55552...@i5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > >> LOL...can't wait for the bloodbath of 2014 to occur...and gun
> > > >> control will be a major issue.
>
> > > >Wanna bet some major coin on that?
>
> > > The GOP's relentless attacks on the middle class . . .
>
> > Actually it's Obama and the Democrats who are waging relentless attacks
> > on the middle class. And now that the election is over, the full cost
> > of obamacare will be allowed to assault that middle class. They'll take
> > revenvge in 2014. It'll be fun to watch.
>
> > laugh . . . laugh . . . laugh
>
> Laughing whilst walking past the graveyard.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually when I walk past a graveyard I stop and piss on the graves of
conservatives...someone has to water the weeds.

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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On Fri, 3 May 2013 01:41:22 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest

Not unlike Hitler then, with his lunatic dreams of a beckoning utopia
once the final solution to the problem of the Jews was solved.

Once you have shoveled over half the American population into mass
graves you will be free.

While we still have elections you will remain a marginal head case.

GOP_Decline_and_Fall

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May 3, 2013, 1:43:40 AM5/3/13

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>> confident bunch. With President Barack Obama�s approval rating dipping

>> into the low 40s, they believed they had a good chance at winning the
>> White House. Not only that, they believed they had an excellent chance
>> at winning back control of the US Senate, too.
>>

>> That�s when tea party irony entered the picture.

>>
>> The tea party, a political movement defined primarily by anti-Obama
>> sentiments, played a major role in giving Republicans control of the
>> House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms. But what worked for
>> Republicans in 2010 worked against them in 2012.
>>
>> And it could work against them in 2014, too.
>>
>> Democrats will be defending 21 Senate seats next year, while
>> Republicans will only have to defend 14. The current Senate is made up
>> of 53 Democrats, 45 Republicans and two independents who caucus with
>> the Democrats. That means the GOP would need to pick up six seats to
>> regain control of the Senate and effectively shut down any legislative
>> agenda Obama might put forward in his final two years as president.
>>
>> But first they have to find viable candidates, a task that is proving
>> to be an uphill battle.
>>

>> An April 27 report by The Associated Press noted that �so far there�s
>> been a combination of no-thank-you�s from prospective Republican

>> candidates in Iowa, slow movement among others in Michigan and lack of

>> consensus elsewhere over a single contender.�

>>
>> The tea party ghosts of 2012 are still be haunting the GOP as 2014
>> approaches.
>>
>> Missouri serves as a good example of what went wrong for the GOP
>> nationally in 2012. Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill was about as
>> popular as Obamacare in the Show-Me State, which is to say she was on
>> the fast track to being tossed out of office. But Republicans found a
>> way to turn a likely win into an embarrassing defeat by nominating tea

>> party favorite Todd Akin, a US representative from the state�s 2nd
>> Congressional District, as their Senate candidate. It didn�t take long

>> for Akin to put his proverbial foot in his ill-informed mouth, saying
>> that women who get raped rarely get pregnant in an August 2012
>> television interview on The Jaco Report, aired by a St. Louis area Fox
>> News affiliate.
>>
>> Oops.
>>

>> Not only did Akin�s poorly chosen words cost the GOP in Missouri, his
>> pronouncement served to reinforce the Democrats� contention that
>> Republicans were waging a �war on women� at a nationally level.

>> Instead of Republicans winning the Senate, Democrats picked up a net
>> gain of two seats.
>>
>> As 2014 gets closer, Republicans find themselves in a serious

>> quandary. The party�s most activist voters � those who turned out to

>> give primary wins to Akin and others like him, including eventual

>> general election loser Richard Mourdock in Indiana � show no signs of

>> abandoning their hardline views. Yet the kinds of candidates they are
>> apt to back have an awful track record when running against Democrats
>> in statewide races.
>>
>> Longtime GOP strategist Karl Rove, credited with successfully
>> engineering the 2000 and 2004 campaigns of former Preisdent George W.

>> Bush, understands that Republicans can�t come across as misogynistic

>> misanthropes and still expect to win state and national races.
>>

>> Rove formed the Conservative Victory Project after Obama�s re-election
>> to �to pump big money into local congressional primaries and prevent
>> Tea Party-endorsed candidates from scoring Senate nominations,�

>> according to a policymic.com report from earlier this year.
>>

>> According to AP, in the sixth year of a presidency, �the party out of
>> power in the White House usually wins congressional seats.� But with
>> the tea party�s problematic presence and Obama�s approval ratings back

>> at in the 50 percent range, simply being against the president may not
>> be enough to seal the deal with voters.
>>
>
>
>Mother Jones? Really? And, the rest of your sources are too far left
>to have any credibility with anyone but the fringe left.

As good a way for you to avoid the issue as any I guess.

The point was, of course, the email sent by Kevin Gentry to upcoming
attendees of the Koch Donor Retreat.

But don't let that stop your bellicose mindless ranting.