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Oct 15, 2008, 9:08:15 PM10/15/08
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Todd Palin's Past Political Associations A Likely Security Clearance
Disqualifier
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-naif/todd-palins-alaska-indepe_b_134793.html
10/15/2008
Although Sarah Palin smack talks Barack Obama for "palling around with
terrorists," it turns out that the Palin family has its own history of
palling around with Alaska's own unique brand of America-haters.
Palin's husband Todd was once an actual member of the secessionist
Alaskan Independence Party (AIP). Palin herself was not a member of
AIP -- but many AIP luminaries claim her as a kindred spirit and "one
of their own."

A charitable characterization of AIP might be "quirky down-home Alaska
politics." However, the security processes that govern access to our
defense and national security institutions might not look so kindly on
Todd Palin's past political associations. Indeed, if Todd Palin were
applying for a job in the US government or at a contractor that
required access to sensitive classified information -- a security
clearance -- he would very likely be ineligible.

What's so bad about the AIP? The party officially renounces violence
and disloyalty to the United States, even though its members often do
not. The AIP has long been aligned closely with paramilitary militia
groups -- the kind that fear black helicopters and a United Nations
takeover of the US. Indeed, under the leadership of AIP's tough-
talking founder, Joe Vogler, AIP allied itself with the Islamic
dictatorship in Iran in 1993 so that Vogler could appear at the United
Nations to appeal for Alaska's freedom from US "tyranny." A fellow AIP
member murdered Vogler before he could take the UN stage. The current
AIP chairwoman, Lynnette Clark, believes that Vogler's killer was
framed and all but blames the Federal government for Vogler's
"execution."

Security clearances are a defining fact of life for the national
security drones who quietly toil away in secret vaults and mean
foreign streets to help protect America. Entry-level defense and
intelligence employees often wait months -- even years -- for the
results of an exhaustive background investigation and maybe even a
polygraph interrogation before they are allowed to start work with a
government agency or contractor. Seasoned intelligence and defense
workers routinely re-submit to the security investigation process
every few years, or if their work requires them to gain access to a
specialized or "compartmented" program.

The criteria for security clearances have changed with the times, but
some bedrock principles always apply. When I was in the Army in the
'80s for example, tattoos were actually a disqualifying factor for a
clearance, as was any past drug use. Fashion and social changes forced
a change to those kinds of exclusions. In the early '90s,
homosexuality was still a disqualifier -- but that was overturned with
Clinton-era adjustments to the clearance process. The rise of computer
culture has brought new concern over illegal computer activity, which
has found its way into security investigations.

However, security investigators will always be interested in
particularly serious issues -- criminal activity, for example, or
major financial problems like a history of debt collections and
bankruptcy. And of course, loyalty to the US and foreign connections
are a major focus of personal security investigations. "Is the subject
a foreign spy?" the investigators ask. "Would the subject ever
participate in activities intended to harm the United States?"

The security clearance investigation is based on the Standard Form 86,
a 21-plus page government form that gathers information on an
individual's family, friends, education, employment, residences,
finances, law enforcement history, drug and computer use, foreign
contacts, and associations with violent or subversive political
groups. I have filled out the SF 86 dozens of times. When I was the
security officer for an intelligence contractor, I routinely reviewed
our employees' SF 86 forms before asking the government to process
them for security clearances, looking for obvious disqualifications.
The idea here was to avoid the costs of investigating employees who
were obviously not eligible for a clearance, like the guy who
"experimented" with marijuana at least 100 times in the previous year.

Above all, honesty is the rule for anyone filling out an SF 86 -- do
you think CIA or DoD will want to hire or retain someone who lied on a
security form?

Which gets us back to Todd Palin. From the security officer's
perspective, Todd Palin the hypothetical applicant should be truthful
and disclose his former association with AIP on the SF 86 in Section
29, Association Record. And because AIP has been associated with the
Revolutionary Government of Iran, he probably should also disclose his
AIP membership on Section 20, Foreign Activities.

How would government security officials who administer the security
clearance process view the facts of Todd Palin's association with AIP?
The answer is not clear cut, but his involvement in a secessionist
party with foreign and violent connections would inject serious doubts
about his security suitability. At best, the AIP association would
raise questions that might be resolved favorably with further
investigative work. However, many security officials would likely view
the AIP association negatively -- especially the Iranian connection --
and deny Todd Palin a clearance.

Managers of the most sensitive special security programs are allowed
wide latitude in denying clearances. These programs, called Special
Access Programs, or SAPs, are scattered across government and are
focused on specific tasks, such as weapons development or special
operations or presidential transportation. A SAP program can exclude
individuals based on connections to a foreign country, such as
immigrant parents (often excluding vitally needed foreign language
speakers), or very stringent financial criteria, such as $10,000 in
unsecured debt (often excluding many recent college graduates). Many
SAP managers would very likely deny Palin a clearance based on
association with or membership in a secessionist party with known ties
to a hostile foreign government.

So the Palin family is associated with a political party hostile to
America in word and deed. That's a matter of record that has real
impact on established norms in the national security community.
According to the laws and processes that help protect national
security, actually joining a fringe, gun-toting, anti-government party
indicates a potential risk of disloyalty, or worse.

Meanwhile, acquaintance with an aging ex-hippy who once belonged to a
terrorist group famous for accidentally blowing itself up -- I'm not
sure if that's relevant to presidential qualifications. Or national
security.
[]
The House That Ted Palin’s ‘Buddies’ Built
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/9543f01b524ce444

br...@pobox.com

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Oct 18, 2008, 2:53:20 PM10/18/08
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This is funny, considering that Blow Job Billy Clinton couldn't have
gotten ANY sort of clearance, and that the majority of his cabinet and
entourage didn't even apply for their required clearances.

Can you say "hypocritical left wing scum"?

Sure you can.

Jean Smith

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Oct 19, 2008, 3:47:21 AM10/19/08
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br...@pobox.com

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Oct 20, 2008, 12:07:55 AM10/20/08
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:47:21 -0500, Jean Smith <gote...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

The last time that I checked, those three are US Senators.
Biden is the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Obama is a
member of that committee, and McCain is on the Armed Services
Committee. They likely have a need to know.

Palain is currently the Governor of Alaska and has no need to know at
this time.

Ic

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Oct 20, 2008, 4:28:02 AM10/20/08
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Security Clearances for Bob Bird and Todd Palin

Shadow Gov to Shadow VP to Shadow Pres, Todd Palin was a registered
member of the party until 2002

“I study the creation and impact of the Luciferian Marxist-Lenninist
Dialectical Sovietism that is the most encompassing secular historical
force controlling every incorporated political party; the world’s
exchange systems based on perpetual indentured slavery through
interest bearing irredeemable security obligations, i.e. federal
reserve notes; Law Merchant advisory panels masquerading as “juries”;
bar associations composed strictly of card-carrying Kommunist Komrade
Kriminals acting in Alaska under the Alaska Supreme Soviet in
conjunction with Soviet counterparts in NKVD through the Khabarovsk-
Alaska Collectivization Project; and state sponsored Kriminal
Globalism’s “perpetual War for perpetual peace.”
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/a-bedtime-story-from-the-alaska-division-of-elections/
Alaskan Independence Party candidate

"But wait, there’s more…

CALL TO REVOLUTION

Alaska’s Divine Destiny - Holy-Writ Book Revelation repeatedly
references Alaska Land of Great Eagle; Independent Republic leading
Trinity’s force against Lucifer, Antichrist, Kommunist International.

Bar Association - Marxist-Lenninist Kriminals imposing Kommunist
Korporate feudalistic perpetual Usury servitudes destroying Common Law
Republic. God-Man declared Satan attorneys’ father: Eternal
Punishment, Insane for Alaskans to allow continued existence."

On Oct 19, 9:07 pm, br...@pobox.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:47:21 -0500, Jean Smith <goterm...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >In article
> ><1416f6e8-7276-43f4-99e7-1f4b24d51...@f77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,


> > Ic <lol7...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >> Todd Palin's Past Political Associations A Likely Security Clearance
> >> Disqualifier

> >>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-naif/todd-palins-alaska-indepe_b_...

> >> The House That Ted Palin¹s ŒBuddies¹ Built
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/9543f01b52...

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Ic

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Oct 20, 2008, 11:58:04 AM10/20/08
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"...look, I've a wonderful life. I have to go back and live in
Arizona"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/john-mccain-on-losing-to_n_136101.html

Shadow Gov to Shadow VP to Shadow Pres, Todd Palin was a registered
member of the party until 2002

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/msg/abf943d09132b840
Palin family values
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/10/14/troopergate/
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What > Ic <lol7...@msn.com> wrote:
Ic <lol7...WHAT ACTUALLY WROTE HERE:


Todd Palin's Past Political Associations A Likely Security Clearance
Disqualifier

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.culture.alaska/msg/fa73088e4ea3da81


Security Clearances for Bob Bird and Todd Palin

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.culture.alaska/msg/abf943d09132b840

NOT AS nefarious losers @ Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> claims:

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On Oct 20, 2:21 am, Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org> wrote:
> In article <5249e910-479a-4ef4-8056-
> daa4235de...@v53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>


On Oct 20, 1:28 am, Ic <lol7...@msn.com> wrote:
> Security Clearances for Bob Bird and Todd Palin
>
> Shadow Gov to Shadow VP to Shadow Pres, Todd Palin was a registered
> member of the party until 2002
>
> “I study the creation and impact of the Luciferian Marxist-Lenninist
> Dialectical Sovietism that is the most encompassing secular historical
> force controlling every incorporated political party; the world’s
> exchange systems based on perpetual indentured slavery through
> interest bearing irredeemable security obligations, i.e. federal
> reserve notes; Law Merchant advisory panels masquerading as “juries”;
> bar associations composed strictly of card-carrying Kommunist Komrade
> Kriminals acting in Alaska under the Alaska Supreme Soviet in
> conjunction with Soviet counterparts in NKVD through the Khabarovsk-
> Alaska Collectivization Project; and state sponsored Kriminal
> Globalism’s “perpetual War for perpetual peace.”

> http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/a-bedtime-story-from-the-ala...

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