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Outfoxing The Foxes

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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Some Cunt Writes:

OK. First: Since she didn't say what agency she worked for, how can you
know
how they operate?

<----The entire corporate culture is POISON. Honest people are weeded
out, oppressed, denied the right to earn a living, and so forth. And
snitches? Forget it. I've wondered how you can have a justice system if
we punish people who use it, but I guess there's some higher purpose for
that, right?


Second: I had plenty of male secretaries working for me.

<------You're female. That's actually quite common. Males also have
great skills because they have to be twice as skilled as a female to get
hired. Tell me, did you ever hire a secretary you knew had filed a case
with the EEOC? I've never hidden this from an employer because I know
that they wouldn't retaliate against me for it, right? Oh wait, there's
a price for snitching? I shouldn't be honest and shouldn't "make
trouble" as you arrogantly said before? Well, there's also a price for
breaking the law. In my town, in fact, you can go to JAIL for employment
discrimination.


Third: Since you've been tested, great. Very impressive skills.

<-------Amazing why I can't get hired except for very few jobs. No one's
going to hand me a job? Of course not! Women are TAKERS. The only
people who get handed jobs are office whore bimbos.....


Fourth: Good attitude = pleasant, friendly, professional.

<----Which I am, when people aren't BREAKING THE LAW.

Fifth: I *never* discriminated illegally against anyone. I quit the
profession after I was told not to send minorities for jobs.

<----Did you report it?

So don't tell *me* what kind of human being I am. I am all for Civil
Rights
Protection, and have tried, on numerous occasions, to get the EEOC to go
after companies that routinely discriminate, usually unsuccessfully,

<----Then you aren't very good at it. Why give up so soon? If I can go
to town from the position I was in, certainly you could as well. The
EEOC is not proactive anymore; their budget was slashed. If you are
serious about this cause, I could show you how to make incredible waves.
And who told you not to send minorities?

Because if *I* haven't been discriminated against, *I* can't legally file
a complaint.

<------I know. I got the same response from the EEOC when someone at
ARTHUR ANDERSEN & COMPANY said the word "Nigger" in my presence. I was
also told there that "If you are black, or female, you will not make
partner at this firm." I am a WHITE MALE. But a funny thing happened
when I heard that remark. I thought "This is not tolerable." There I
was, making $25,000 a year, about to start a successful business (with my
salary), BENEFITTING from this bias, yet I walked out. Why? Because I
was part of the problem if I didn't become part of the solution. I could
not in good conscience take a job that I knew I would not have if I were
not a white male. And the moment I did that my love life SOARED. People
who want HONESTY in their relationships are KIDDING themselves if they
think they can break the law at work and then play Mr. Nice Guy/Gal at
home.

So, if you ever get to Tennessee, look me up; I have a couple of
companies I could use help with.

<----Help with what?


You need to slow down and relax a bit. I *know* that discrimination
occurs, and I *do* try to stop it. My problem is with the fact that you
are assuming that's how this young woman got her job.

<-------Yep. And until it's proven otherwise, it's what I'll asume.
However, since she is the one doing the pursuing, you may be right here.
But read these posts where guys talk about hitting on women at work, then
think about the discrimination, and connect the dots. Oh, and about the
agency you worked for, why did you quit? You could have told minority
applicants at the agency that they were discriminated against and that
you were willing to go to court for them, and you could have told your
agency that you were going to help get them busted.


I would never deny that people are discriminated against, as I know for a
fact that it
happens every day. In that battle, I'm on your side...I just think that
you may be unfairly attributing this lady's situation to it. That's all.

<-----Okay, you know I've been harmed, and you know why. What do you do
to help me offset this? Oh wait, NOTHING!!!! The "help" I got from
people was this:

1. "Get over it!"

2. "Stop whining!"

3. "You're just bitter..."

Look at what you said before about my "attitude problem." And that was
without any knowledge of my situation. I have lost over TWO MILLION
DOLLARS to this crap, and while I'm about to make it back, it is very
comforting to know that people would just as soon see me wind up homeless
or a suicide, and that they might even be bothered by my succeeding and
gaining the power to truly retaliate against them. Then it's also nice
to know that the moment I don't need anymore help (about 1-2 weeks from
now), I'll get a flood of people telling me how they WOULD HAVE helped
me, if only they had known....oh, of course.

My problems were blared on the internet for two full years. Public
reaction was decisive. This is why I say that people are kidding
themselves if they think they are honest or kind. I also have this CRAZY
theory that how we treat those who have nothing to offer us (apparently)
dictates whether or not we will find an honest lover. Why did I push
this point? Because I found that the office WHORES who didn't give a
damn if I had a job or not sure stood up at attention when I pointed out
that their ethical flaws would cost them Prince Charming.

Women do not see the connection, and until they do I am going to continue
to call them worthless pieces of ethical garbage. I also will not
forgive what was done to me until EVERY PENNY I have lost ($2.8 million
and counting, increasing by the 50-100 percent a year my mythical stock
portfolio has been increasing by) is returned to me. Do I expect a check
for three million? No. That would be foolish. As foolish as it would
be for those who STOLE the money from me to expect me to forgive them.

And no matter how rich I get, how many books I sell, I will NEVER forget
the inhuman, Nazi-like harassment of me that has occurred for the past
TWO YEARS, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW of people who did NOTHING to stop it. You
want to have your eyes opened? Search DejaNews and put my names (Ray
Gordon or Gordon Roy Parker) in, and check the posts. Look at the death
threats, the slander, the lies, and everything else, and then tell me
what you would think of humanity if you saw it through my eyes.

Of course I'll win in the end. I'm too strong not to. Even if I died
now, my book will be released (it's in the hands of the publishing
industry as a backup), and it will be one of the best-selling books of
its kind. See, another reaction of mine to discrimination was to not
wait to get the money, and just take the women away from their executive
husbands. It's no easy trick to win a woman from a GQ-type when you are
30 years old, living with your family, broke, depressed, even suicidal,
with an STD, a "bad attitude, and half the world tarring and feathering
me publicly while others cheered them on and still others did nothing.

I have seen a side of women that is disgusting, and which women deny.
And it's not like the women don't have other options. They make this
choice willingly.

By the way, you can find my stock portfolio at
http://www.cybersheet.com/finance.html

I put the portfolio up a day after I created it, and by then it had
already gone up 10 percent. It is now up 35 percent in TWO WEEKS, and
seems to be going through the roof. You see, I know the internet like
the back of my hand, a result of my being a "loser" who spends "all day
online." Anyone who gave me $1 million of theirs to invest would see it
mushroom so fast it would make their head spin. But wait!! Can't show
faith in a LOSER!!! You know how women are....when they hear the "word"
about a man, they trust it. Only problem is, the loser turns into a
winner one day, and then it's payback time, and paybacks are a bitch.
Let go of my anger? Not a chance. I have a few favors to return, and an
amount of power to return them that you couldn't even comprehend. I know
who has harmed me, who has stood by and did nothing, and who has helped
me. Each group will be treated accordingly. You don't think God might
have sent me here as a way of testing the rest of you, do you? Nah, I
couldn't be that important. I'm just a meaningless individual. It's
only when I threaten to end my "meaningless" life that people tell me how
much I'm worth.

Oh, and did you notice the LABOR SHORTAGE? You say you need help with a
few companies? Send me $5,000, a plane ticket, put me up in an
apartment, pay me a really nice salary, and I'll solve whatever you throw
at me. Or you can let the company fall apart because it won't be able to
hire people soon. Oh wait!!! I couldn't have been smart enough to burn
my employment bridges knowing that a labor shortage was coming and that
companies would one day be wishing they hadn't blacklisted me? Nah, I'm
just a "loser." Look at the way women treat "losers" and you will see
why they wind up beaten, murdered, raped, robbed, disrespected, and
oppressed. It is because women DESERVE it. The ones who harmed me
should thank their lucky stars that I didn't react like a primate and
just dump them six feet underground. Unfortunately, premeditated murder
would ruin this ethical thing I have going for me, although on a primal
level it is quite appealing.

Have you figured out who you are dealing with yet? I doubt it. Apes
aren't very good at understanding Darwin. Positively Fourth Street.

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Outfoxing The Foxes wrote:
>
> Some Cunt Writes:
>
> OK. First: Since she didn't say what agency she worked for, how can you
> know
> how they operate?
>
> <----The entire corporate culture is POISON. Honest people are weeded
> out, oppressed, denied the right to earn a living, and so forth. And
> snitches? Forget it. I've wondered how you can have a justice system if
> we punish people who use it, but I guess there's some higher purpose for
> that, right?
>
I agree; corporate culture *is* poison, which is I now work freelance,
from home.

> Second: I had plenty of male secretaries working for me.
>
> <------You're female. That's actually quite common. Males also have
> great skills because they have to be twice as skilled as a female to get
> hired. Tell me, did you ever hire a secretary you knew had filed a case
> with the EEOC? I've never hidden this from an employer because I know
> that they wouldn't retaliate against me for it, right? Oh wait, there's
> a price for snitching? I shouldn't be honest and shouldn't "make
> trouble" as you arrogantly said before? Well, there's also a price for
> breaking the law. In my town, in fact, you can go to JAIL for employment
> discrimination.
>

Yep, I did have several employees who had filed suit with the EEOC.
Since my agency was near Newark, the vast majority of the temps
registered with me were minorities.

> Third: Since you've been tested, great. Very impressive skills.
>
> <-------Amazing why I can't get hired except for very few jobs. No one's
> going to hand me a job? Of course not! Women are TAKERS. The only
> people who get handed jobs are office whore bimbos.....
>

Again; I have to say that some of us *are* pretty highly skilled. It's
patently unfair to say that women, as a rule, are takers. Some are, some
aren't.

> Fourth: Good attitude = pleasant, friendly, professional.
>
> <----Which I am, when people aren't BREAKING THE LAW.
>

'Nuff said.

> Fifth: I *never* discriminated illegally against anyone. I quit the
> profession after I was told not to send minorities for jobs.
>
> <----Did you report it?
>

Yep, with no success.

> So don't tell *me* what kind of human being I am. I am all for Civil
> Rights
> Protection, and have tried, on numerous occasions, to get the EEOC to go
> after companies that routinely discriminate, usually unsuccessfully,
>
> <----Then you aren't very good at it. Why give up so soon? If I can go
> to town from the position I was in, certainly you could as well. The
> EEOC is not proactive anymore; their budget was slashed. If you are
> serious about this cause, I could show you how to make incredible waves.
> And who told you not to send minorities?

Who told me not to send minorities? Customers, my boss, my family (who
said not to rock the boat)...As to my skill at trying to stop these
people, I'll agree. I'm not very good at it. What would you suggest I
do?


>
> Because if *I* haven't been discriminated against, *I* can't legally file
> a complaint.
>
> <------I know. I got the same response from the EEOC when someone at
> ARTHUR ANDERSEN & COMPANY said the word "Nigger" in my presence. I was
> also told there that "If you are black, or female, you will not make
> partner at this firm." I am a WHITE MALE. But a funny thing happened
> when I heard that remark. I thought "This is not tolerable." There I
> was, making $25,000 a year, about to start a successful business (with my
> salary), BENEFITTING from this bias, yet I walked out. Why? Because I
> was part of the problem if I didn't become part of the solution. I could
> not in good conscience take a job that I knew I would not have if I were
> not a white male. And the moment I did that my love life SOARED. People
> who want HONESTY in their relationships are KIDDING themselves if they
> think they can break the law at work and then play Mr. Nice Guy/Gal at
> home.
>

Good for you; most people care only about themselves. It's one of the
reasons this country is in the mess it is, but that's a whole other
thread to start.

So, if you ever get to Tennessee, look me up; I have a couple of
> companies I could use help with.
>
> <----Help with what?

Companies with policies against hiring certain "types" of people.


>
> You need to slow down and relax a bit. I *know* that discrimination
> occurs, and I *do* try to stop it. My problem is with the fact that you
> are assuming that's how this young woman got her job.
>
> <-------Yep. And until it's proven otherwise, it's what I'll asume.
> However, since she is the one doing the pursuing, you may be right here.
> But read these posts where guys talk about hitting on women at work, then
> think about the discrimination, and connect the dots. Oh, and about the
> agency you worked for, why did you quit? You could have told minority
> applicants at the agency that they were discriminated against and that
> you were willing to go to court for them, and you could have told your
> agency that you were going to help get them busted.
>

Actually, I refused to listen to the requests. I told my clients they
were going to get the best temp I had, regardless of whether he/she met
their "criteria". I actually turned a couple of people around; the rest
of them complained. And yes, I did tell the temps about the companies in
question. I quit because I was sick of my boss giving me grief about my
"attitude" toward my clients. He was a jackass.

> I would never deny that people are discriminated against, as I know for a
> fact that it
> happens every day. In that battle, I'm on your side...I just think that
> you may be unfairly attributing this lady's situation to it. That's all.
>
> <-----Okay, you know I've been harmed, and you know why. What do you do
> to help me offset this? Oh wait, NOTHING!!!! The "help" I got from
> people was this:
>
> 1. "Get over it!"
>
> 2. "Stop whining!"
>
> 3. "You're just bitter..."
>

Okay, I'll bite. What can I do to help? I'm willing, as long as you're
willing to *talk* to me and stop insulting me.

> Look at what you said before about my "attitude problem." And that was
> without any knowledge of my situation. I have lost over TWO MILLION
> DOLLARS to this crap, and while I'm about to make it back, it is very
> comforting to know that people would just as soon see me wind up homeless
> or a suicide, and that they might even be bothered by my succeeding and
> gaining the power to truly retaliate against them. Then it's also nice
> to know that the moment I don't need anymore help (about 1-2 weeks from
> now), I'll get a flood of people telling me how they WOULD HAVE helped
> me, if only they had known....oh, of course.
>
> My problems were blared on the internet for two full years. Public
> reaction was decisive. This is why I say that people are kidding
> themselves if they think they are honest or kind. I also have this CRAZY
> theory that how we treat those who have nothing to offer us (apparently)
> dictates whether or not we will find an honest lover. Why did I push
> this point? Because I found that the office WHORES who didn't give a
> damn if I had a job or not sure stood up at attention when I pointed out
> that their ethical flaws would cost them Prince Charming.

Like I said, this is a culture which rebukes people who do the right
thing, and glorifies winning at all costs, no matter who one hurts in
the process. It's sick but it's true.


>
> Women do not see the connection, and until they do I am going to continue
> to call them worthless pieces of ethical garbage. I also will not
> forgive what was done to me until EVERY PENNY I have lost ($2.8 million
> and counting, increasing by the 50-100 percent a year my mythical stock
> portfolio has been increasing by) is returned to me. Do I expect a check
> for three million? No. That would be foolish. As foolish as it would
> be for those who STOLE the money from me to expect me to forgive them.

Why are you blaming *only* women for this? The corporate culture is, in
most part, run by men... women may be benefiting financially from men
who think with their dicks, but men are also responsible for maintaining
the status quo, don't you think?

> And no matter how rich I get, how many books I sell, I will NEVER forget
> the inhuman, Nazi-like harassment of me that has occurred for the past
> TWO YEARS, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW of people who did NOTHING to stop it. You
> want to have your eyes opened? Search DejaNews and put my names (Ray
> Gordon or Gordon Roy Parker) in, and check the posts. Look at the death
> threats, the slander, the lies, and everything else, and then tell me
> what you would think of humanity if you saw it through my eyes.

I'm going to do that over the next couple of days...somehow I suspect
it'll be enlightening, to say the least.


>
> Of course I'll win in the end. I'm too strong not to. Even if I died
> now, my book will be released (it's in the hands of the publishing
> industry as a backup), and it will be one of the best-selling books of
> its kind. See, another reaction of mine to discrimination was to not
> wait to get the money, and just take the women away from their executive
> husbands. It's no easy trick to win a woman from a GQ-type when you are
> 30 years old, living with your family, broke, depressed, even suicidal,
> with an STD, a "bad attitude, and half the world tarring and feathering
> me publicly while others cheered them on and still others did nothing.
>
> I have seen a side of women that is disgusting, and which women deny.
> And it's not like the women don't have other options. They make this
> choice willingly.
>

Sure, there *are* some women who are disgusting, just as there are
*some* men who are disgusting. No one is disputing that...but again, I
have to take issue at your assumption that we're all like that.

> By the way, you can find my stock portfolio at
> http://www.cybersheet.com/finance.html
>
> I put the portfolio up a day after I created it, and by then it had
> already gone up 10 percent. It is now up 35 percent in TWO WEEKS, and
> seems to be going through the roof. You see, I know the internet like
> the back of my hand, a result of my being a "loser" who spends "all day
> online." Anyone who gave me $1 million of theirs to invest would see it
> mushroom so fast it would make their head spin. But wait!! Can't show
> faith in a LOSER!!! You know how women are....when they hear the "word"
> about a man, they trust it. Only problem is, the loser turns into a
> winner one day, and then it's payback time, and paybacks are a bitch.

I always told my friends that the biggest practical joke on bitchy women
is that the best husbands are the guys no one wanted to date in high
school.

> Let go of my anger? Not a chance. I have a few favors to return, and an
> amount of power to return them that you couldn't even comprehend. I know
> who has harmed me, who has stood by and did nothing, and who has helped
> me. Each group will be treated accordingly. You don't think God might
> have sent me here as a way of testing the rest of you, do you? Nah, I
> couldn't be that important. I'm just a meaningless individual. It's
> only when I threaten to end my "meaningless" life that people tell me how
> much I'm worth.

Disagree with you there. I believe *everyone* is important, and we all
have lessons to learn from *everyone* with whom we come into contact.


>
> Oh, and did you notice the LABOR SHORTAGE? You say you need help with a
> few companies? Send me $5,000, a plane ticket, put me up in an
> apartment, pay me a really nice salary, and I'll solve whatever you throw
> at me. Or you can let the company fall apart because it won't be able to
> hire people soon. Oh wait!!! I couldn't have been smart enough to burn
> my employment bridges knowing that a labor shortage was coming and that
> companies would one day be wishing they hadn't blacklisted me? Nah, I'm
> just a "loser." Look at the way women treat "losers" and you will see
> why they wind up beaten, murdered, raped, robbed, disrespected, and
> oppressed. It is because women DESERVE it. The ones who harmed me
> should thank their lucky stars that I didn't react like a primate and
> just dump them six feet underground. Unfortunately, premeditated murder
> would ruin this ethical thing I have going for me, although on a primal
> level it is quite appealing.
>

Now, *that's* the kind of talk I find disturbing, to say the least.
Women DESERVE to be raped and murdered??? You BELIEVE THIS?????? I can
understand being angry, but I'm sorry, that's just plain sick.

> Have you figured out who you are dealing with yet? I doubt it. Apes
> aren't very good at understanding Darwin. Positively Fourth Street.
>

Again; I would be happy to have further discussion with you on this
topic, as I think we're probably in agreement in many ways. I'd even be
happy to assist in any way I can. But, I won't be insulted and called
names. I am treating you with respect; I think I deserve the same from
you.


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Outfoxing The Foxes

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Some Chick Writes:

> <----The entire corporate culture is POISON. Honest people are weeded
> out, oppressed, denied the right to earn a living, and so forth. And
> snitches? Forget it. I've wondered how you can have a justice system
if
> we punish people who use it, but I guess there's some higher purpose
for
> that, right?
>

I agree; corporate culture *is* poison, which is I now work freelance,
from home.

<-----Leaving the big $$$ and benefits to the criminals. Isn't that
special? I'd say get back in their faces....


> Second: I had plenty of male secretaries working for me.
>
> <------You're female. That's actually quite common. Males also have
> great skills because they have to be twice as skilled as a female to
get
> hired. Tell me, did you ever hire a secretary you knew had filed a
case
> with the EEOC? I've never hidden this from an employer because I know
> that they wouldn't retaliate against me for it, right? Oh wait,
there's
> a price for snitching? I shouldn't be honest and shouldn't "make
> trouble" as you arrogantly said before? Well, there's also a price for
> breaking the law. In my town, in fact, you can go to JAIL for
employment
> discrimination.
>

Yep, I did have several employees who had filed suit with the EEOC. Since
my agency was near Newark, the vast majority of the temps registered with
me were minorities.

<----------That's good.

> Third: Since you've been tested, great. Very impressive skills.
>
> <-------Amazing why I can't get hired except for very few jobs. No
one's
> going to hand me a job? Of course not! Women are TAKERS. The only
> people who get handed jobs are office whore bimbos.....
>

Again; I have to say that some of us *are* pretty highly skilled. It's
patently unfair to say that women, as a rule, are takers. Some are, some
aren't.

<---------It's not patently unfair. I can back it up to the high
heavens. Women are going to have to learn that their behavior must
change for my opinion of them to change. Most say "I'm not gonna do
THAT..." But they'd have to if they wanted to find their soulmate....but
they think they can beat the system. I submit the divorce statistics as
proof that they can't.


> Fourth: Good attitude = pleasant, friendly, professional.
>
> <----Which I am, when people aren't BREAKING THE LAW.
>

'Nuff said.

<---Not really. Any profession that stresses being "pleasant" and
"friendly" when most of the workers in it are sexy young women is
suspect. Why is it so necessary to be friendly? Civility is all that is
required of a secretary. That's interesting too, because I noticed when
I would get personal at work, it was met with lukewarm responses (even on
banal topics), but with the office whores it was the center of their
interaction. Very telling. And I know many secretaries who are anything
but friendly and who even control their bosses. With females, some
bosses find it a turn-on to have a dominant, bitchy secretary. That's
what happens with bosses who are such LOSERS with women that they have to
PAY them to be nice.....


> Fifth: I *never* discriminated illegally against anyone. I quit the
> profession after I was told not to send minorities for jobs.
>
> <----Did you report it?
>

Yep, with no success.

<----And you gave up? Tsk tsk......is that a positive attitude? Sounds
pretty damn negative to me in fact. I love it when "positive" people
tell me you can't change the system. Can't get much more negative than
that if you ask me.


> So don't tell *me* what kind of human being I am. I am all for Civil
> Rights
> Protection, and have tried, on numerous occasions, to get the EEOC to
go
> after companies that routinely discriminate, usually unsuccessfully,
>
> <----Then you aren't very good at it. Why give up so soon? If I can
go
> to town from the position I was in, certainly you could as well. The
> EEOC is not proactive anymore; their budget was slashed. If you are
> serious about this cause, I could show you how to make incredible
waves.
> And who told you not to send minorities?

Who told me not to send minorities? Customers, my boss, my family (who
said not to rock the boat)...As to my skill at trying to stop these
people, I'll agree. I'm not very good at it. What would you suggest I do?

<---Which companies told you this? And your family? You still talk to
them? Someone tells me not to rock the boat and do the right thing they
are DISOWNED. If they aren't part of the solution, they are part of the
problem. If someone is oppressing me or my friends from 9-5, I'm not
going to be kind to them from 5-9. You can do a lot of things: exposing
them is the best. Bullies hate publicity. What else can you do?
Lobby.....I've been doing this, but because I did so alone people just
ganged up on me and said I had NO FRIENDS. The silence of people like
yourself seemed to prove their point. Read Dejanews, with the death
threats (posted along with my address), the RayFAQ website (that
mysteriously had technical difficulties recently), people telling me I
deserved to be abused because I was such a loser, and so forth. You want
to help me confront this? Roll up your sleeves and get to work? I doubt
it. Why would you put yourself in danger? Of course, a little help a
long time ago would have helped, but like a case that is ignored by a
doctor, it winds up in the emergency room. If you really want to fight
these people, let me know. I can use all the help I can get. But I
don't like revealing my methods publicly. Let's just say there are ways
to bring the system to its knees.


> Because if *I* haven't been discriminated against, *I* can't legally
file
> a complaint.
>
> <------I know. I got the same response from the EEOC when someone at
> ARTHUR ANDERSEN & COMPANY said the word "Nigger" in my presence. I was
> also told there that "If you are black, or female, you will not make
> partner at this firm." I am a WHITE MALE. But a funny thing happened
> when I heard that remark. I thought "This is not tolerable." There I
> was, making $25,000 a year, about to start a successful business (with
my
> salary), BENEFITTING from this bias, yet I walked out. Why? Because I
> was part of the problem if I didn't become part of the solution. I
could
> not in good conscience take a job that I knew I would not have if I
were
> not a white male. And the moment I did that my love life SOARED.
People
> who want HONESTY in their relationships are KIDDING themselves if they
> think they can break the law at work and then play Mr. Nice Guy/Gal at
> home.

Good for you; most people care only about themselves. It's one of the
reasons this country is in the mess it is, but that's a whole other
thread to start.

<-----Correct.

> So, if you ever get to Tennessee, look me up; I have a couple of
> companies I could use help with.
>
> <----Help with what?

Companies with policies against hiring certain "types" of people.

<---You are still placing people for jobs? Thought you left that
business.....usually, someone's first statement is their honest one.
Your tune has changed considerably.


> You need to slow down and relax a bit. I *know* that discrimination
> occurs, and I *do* try to stop it. My problem is with the fact that you
> are assuming that's how this young woman got her job.
>
> <-------Yep. And until it's proven otherwise, it's what I'll asume.
> However, since she is the one doing the pursuing, you may be right
here.
> But read these posts where guys talk about hitting on women at work,
then
> think about the discrimination, and connect the dots. Oh, and about
the
> agency you worked for, why did you quit? You could have told minority
> applicants at the agency that they were discriminated against and that
> you were willing to go to court for them, and you could have told your
> agency that you were going to help get them busted.
>

Actually, I refused to listen to the requests. I told my clients they
were going to get the best temp I had, regardless of whether he/she met
their "criteria". I actually turned a couple of people around; the rest
of them complained. And yes, I did tell the temps about the companies in
question. I quit because I was sick of my boss giving me grief about my
"attitude" toward my clients. He was a jackass.

<-----Attitude is a pretext. I may ask the Supreme Court to rule it a
Suspect Class. Do you know what a Suspect Class is as it relates to
employment law? And you also showed that you can change people if you
get in their faces the way they are trying to get in yours. Silence is
acceptance.


> I would never deny that people are discriminated against, as I know for
a
> fact that it
> happens every day. In that battle, I'm on your side...I just think that
> you may be unfairly attributing this lady's situation to it. That's
all.
>
> <-----Okay, you know I've been harmed, and you know why. What do you
do
> to help me offset this? Oh wait, NOTHING!!!! The "help" I got from
> people was this:
>
> 1. "Get over it!"
>
> 2. "Stop whining!"
>
> 3. "You're just bitter..."
>

Okay, I'll bite. What can I do to help? I'm willing, as long as you're
willing to *talk* to me and stop insulting me.

<-------Oh sure, I ask for help so you can tell me I don't deserve
it...sorry, but I'd rather become a billionaire on my own and see how the
people who would let me become homeless feel when they ask me for
help.....did you know I almost killed myself twice over this? Didn't
hear you losing any sleep....or calling me for work.......you didn't
know? You do now. Do something. You decide what's equitable. I'm out
$2.8 million or so. Barely have a dime in my pocket right now in fact,
but that's about to change. It's fitting that up until the VERY LAST
moment that I make it on my own that people let me sit broke, worried
about my rent even though my skills should have given me a nest egg by
now, etc. I mean I could work the next few weeks, but I've chosen to
tough it out to make the book PERFECT. Once the book is out my money
problems are gone forever. The only time I'd need help has already
passed....almost. About 10 days of financial vulnerability left. After
the 10 days are up, of course I'll hear about how people WOULD HAVE
helped me, etc. The price for my forgiveness is $2.8 million, and since
I'm an investment wizard that price will be in the BILLIONS in short
order. I can track what I do with my fortune when I make it and
calculate the annual rate of return and so forth. I haven't even
recovered ONE DOLLAR of that $2.8 million. I wasn't even given a chance
to earn it. I guess asking people not to break the law is a handout
too......forgive me if I put people out of work for sport when I have the
chance to. This anger will not be removed. People had the chance to
help and laughed in my face. Search DejaNews. You see, it's not
possible to deal with this anymore; people let it slide too far. But
when someone crosses a line, they pay the price. That price is my
eternal condemnation. Oh, and pay no attention whatsoever to my previous
claim that I was Jesus in a past life. That was a lie, along with the
lie about Dominique Moceanu being abused, my writing a book on seduction,
being discriminated against as a secretary, knowing hypnosis, and being a
chess coach. With all the other lies I told, that couldn't possibly be
true. Did you know that in the Depression, black farmers fed Whites
because they figured Jesus was underneath one of those masks? How can
you help? You have to figure that out. To help the situation, I'd say
you should disown completely anyone who is a part of it in any way.
That's what I did pretty much. Also work to fight......but for me,
there will be no forgiveness....not until I am given back every penny
that was stolen from me by those who took it. Bill Gates could write the
check tomorrow and not even miss it. Oh wait, the world doesn't owe me
$2.8 Million? Okay, fine. I don't owe the world anything either. There
will be NO forgiveness. Of course, the person who isn't forgiving might
have a bit more clout in the next life than in this one. I'll get the
$2.8 million back many times over, but that doesn't let the thieves off
the hook.

> Look at what you said before about my "attitude problem." And that was
> without any knowledge of my situation. I have lost over TWO MILLION
> DOLLARS to this crap, and while I'm about to make it back, it is very
> comforting to know that people would just as soon see me wind up
homeless
> or a suicide, and that they might even be bothered by my succeeding and
> gaining the power to truly retaliate against them. Then it's also nice
> to know that the moment I don't need anymore help (about 1-2 weeks from
> now), I'll get a flood of people telling me how they WOULD HAVE helped
> me, if only they had known....oh, of course.
>
> My problems were blared on the internet for two full years. Public
> reaction was decisive. This is why I say that people are kidding
> themselves if they think they are honest or kind. I also have this
CRAZY
> theory that how we treat those who have nothing to offer us
(apparently)
> dictates whether or not we will find an honest lover. Why did I push
> this point? Because I found that the office WHORES who didn't give a
> damn if I had a job or not sure stood up at attention when I pointed
out
> that their ethical flaws would cost them Prince Charming.

Like I said, this is a culture which rebukes people who do the right
thing, and glorifies winning at all costs, no matter who one hurts in
the process. It's sick but it's true.

<----------And you know this and do what.....or is the problem worth
fighting only when you don't have to help real people? The only HELP I
ever asked for was that people stop breaking the law. What's your net
worth, by the way? My blood is on your money, whether you realize it or
not. See, the reason I have to get rich is to take away the "bitter,
whining loser" argument people have been tossing at me. Your post this
morning was quite cruel. I consider you an enemy even still. I don't
trust people who change up. You remind me of a man who approaches a
woman by saying "Hey, baby, wanna fuck?" She says "no!" then he says
"Wait! I'm not really like that! I don't know what came over me!" I
don't trust your words. You use those to manipulate my feelings, or to
attempt to. I trust actions, and your first action to me was cruel and
pompous. Not that I care; people who talk down to me do so at their own
risk.


> Women do not see the connection, and until they do I am going to
continue
> to call them worthless pieces of ethical garbage. I also will not
> forgive what was done to me until EVERY PENNY I have lost ($2.8 million
> and counting, increasing by the 50-100 percent a year my mythical stock
> portfolio has been increasing by) is returned to me. Do I expect a
check
> for three million? No. That would be foolish. As foolish as it would
> be for those who STOLE the money from me to expect me to forgive them.

Why are you blaming *only* women for this? The corporate culture is, in
most part, run by men... women may be benefiting financially from men
who think with their dicks, but men are also responsible for maintaining
the status quo, don't you think?

<------Tell me this: if women withheld sex from dishonest men, how
quickly do you think they'd change? Men do the bidding of women, who
spend the money they earn. Women breed men to be this way through sexual
selection. The only people who can truly solve this problem are those
who benefit from it: sexy young women. But wait!!! They're SPECIAL!!
I'm just a LOSER who is WHINING and they ignore that! The women in power
are the corrupt ones. Perhaps you aren't as sexy as they are; if so,
that would mean you fight this because you lack the ability to
capitalize, not because you are altruistic. Tell me, do you own a house?
Have you ever had your address published on the internet and had people
threatening to kill you publicly on a daily basis? Think maybe I'd like
to have been able to MOVE earlier than I did? This world should be
thankful I chose not to exit it. In fact, it does owe me a few things: a
public apology, $2.8 million, and equal opportunity in employment. What
I owe this world -- to obey its laws -- I have given it. I do not owe it
my forgiveness, and it will not get that forgiveness until every last bit
of damage has been undone. And you think my attitude will stop my
success? Guess again. Men who want to get laid are going to buy my
book, and women I can make climax 20 times in a night are still going to
fuck me.

> And no matter how rich I get, how many books I sell, I will NEVER
forget
> the inhuman, Nazi-like harassment of me that has occurred for the past
> TWO YEARS, in FULL PUBLIC VIEW of people who did NOTHING to stop it.
You
> want to have your eyes opened? Search DejaNews and put my names (Ray
> Gordon or Gordon Roy Parker) in, and check the posts. Look at the
death
> threats, the slander, the lies, and everything else, and then tell me
> what you would think of humanity if you saw it through my eyes.

I'm going to do that over the next couple of days...somehow I suspect
it'll be enlightening, to say the least.

<---Oh, very. Just remember, there will be no forgiveness....that's from
the idiot who claimed to be Jesus in his past life......or was it
Galileo? They imprisoned him for eight years and decapitated him for
saying the earth revolved around the sun. I bet they'd have done the
same if he had said something about male secretaries. By the way,
Galileo was murdered for telling the TRUTH. Oh, and he's still VERY
pissed off about this....


> Of course I'll win in the end. I'm too strong not to. Even if I died
> now, my book will be released (it's in the hands of the publishing
> industry as a backup), and it will be one of the best-selling books of
> its kind. See, another reaction of mine to discrimination was to not
> wait to get the money, and just take the women away from their
executive
> husbands. It's no easy trick to win a woman from a GQ-type when you
are
> 30 years old, living with your family, broke, depressed, even suicidal,
> with an STD, a "bad attitude, and half the world tarring and feathering
> me publicly while others cheered them on and still others did nothing.
>
> I have seen a side of women that is disgusting, and which women deny.
> And it's not like the women don't have other options. They make this
> choice willingly.

Sure, there *are* some women who are disgusting, just as there are
*some* men who are disgusting. No one is disputing that...but again, I
have to take issue at your assumption that we're all like that.

<-------Not all, MOST. And the ones with the most power and influence,
especially, so the effects of the bad behavior are multiplied. The
answer is to acquire more power than they have and CRUSH them. By the
way, you are one of "them" until you meet MY standards for ethics, which
are a little higher than you might be used to....and no, you haven't even
come close. Then again, it could just be that you didn't make it too far
up the food chain and are not capable of being good to the level you
would need to be to earn my respect.....not that my opinion counts....


> By the way, you can find my stock portfolio at
> http://www.cybersheet.com/finance.html
>
> I put the portfolio up a day after I created it, and by then it had
> already gone up 10 percent. It is now up 35 percent in TWO WEEKS, and
> seems to be going through the roof. You see, I know the internet like
> the back of my hand, a result of my being a "loser" who spends "all day
> online." Anyone who gave me $1 million of theirs to invest would see
it
> mushroom so fast it would make their head spin. But wait!! Can't show
> faith in a LOSER!!! You know how women are....when they hear the
"word"
> about a man, they trust it. Only problem is, the loser turns into a
> winner one day, and then it's payback time, and paybacks are a bitch.

I always told my friends that the biggest practical joke on bitchy women
is that the best husbands are the guys no one wanted to date in high
school.

<----So a guy is tortured for 10 years, gets a damaged-goods wife who
fucked 50 bad boys before him, and he "wins?" Guess again. These men
are WHIPPED. I didn't settle for marriage to a leftover. I built a
HAREM......of young women, the kind the bad boys usually get. Women love
doing that, don't they? Be a porn star for the bad boys until their
looks are about to go, and then get some nice-guy sucker to take care of
them after the bad boys no longer want them. How can women offset this?
Give the sex to the decent men. Oh wait, they can't do that! That would
be a CRIME against the Sisterhood! And if the women can't give them sex
because they don't look as good as they did when the bad-boys got them,
they should pay for a hooker or hook them up with a beautiful friend.
They sure come across with the sex for the "wrong" men; maybe it's time
to do so for the right ones. But don't worry about me, I know how to get
women, even without money. With it, it's no contest.


> Let go of my anger? Not a chance. I have a few favors to return, and
an
> amount of power to return them that you couldn't even comprehend. I
know
> who has harmed me, who has stood by and did nothing, and who has helped
> me. Each group will be treated accordingly. You don't think God might
> have sent me here as a way of testing the rest of you, do you? Nah, I
> couldn't be that important. I'm just a meaningless individual. It's
> only when I threaten to end my "meaningless" life that people tell me
how
> much I'm worth.

Disagree with you there. I believe *everyone* is important, and we all
have lessons to learn from *everyone* with whom we come into contact.

<---Pardon me for overestimating your ability to reason in the abstract.
Your response reflects no understanding of that paragraph.


> Oh, and did you notice the LABOR SHORTAGE? You say you need help with
a
> few companies? Send me $5,000, a plane ticket, put me up in an
> apartment, pay me a really nice salary, and I'll solve whatever you
throw
> at me. Or you can let the company fall apart because it won't be able
to
> hire people soon. Oh wait!!! I couldn't have been smart enough to
burn
> my employment bridges knowing that a labor shortage was coming and that
> companies would one day be wishing they hadn't blacklisted me? Nah,
I'm
> just a "loser." Look at the way women treat "losers" and you will see
> why they wind up beaten, murdered, raped, robbed, disrespected, and
> oppressed. It is because women DESERVE it. The ones who harmed me
> should thank their lucky stars that I didn't react like a primate and
> just dump them six feet underground. Unfortunately, premeditated
murder
> would ruin this ethical thing I have going for me, although on a primal
> level it is quite appealing.
>

Now, *that's* the kind of talk I find disturbing, to say the least.
Women DESERVE to be raped and murdered??? You BELIEVE THIS?????? I can
understand being angry, but I'm sorry, that's just plain sick.

<------Sicker than the THOUSANDS of women who told me I DESERVED to be
passed over for work? Excuse me, I'm out $2.8 million and am scraping
every dime I have to get a book published. Should I have to scrape?
Well, it's only 10 more days....and 11 days until I hear about all the
people who would have helped me now....do you own a car? If so, which
model? I could use some dental work, clothes, and maybe the right to
take a job if I want one......rob someone of a few hundred paychecks, and
the basics suffer. Oh, but wait!! If I overcome their mugging it will
be because they MOTIVATED me by harming me! I should THANK my
oppressors!!! Sure.....


> Have you figured out who you are dealing with yet? I doubt it. Apes
> aren't very good at understanding Darwin. Positively Fourth Street.
>

Again; I would be happy to have further discussion with you on this
topic, as I think we're probably in agreement in many ways. I'd even be
happy to assist in any way I can. But, I won't be insulted and called
names. I am treating you with respect; I think I deserve the same from
you.

<----Before you would "assist me any way you can," I'd have to audit your
life and then determine what you were capable of. I doubt you'd open
yourself up to that kind of scrutiny. But that's what it would take to
get my forgiveness. See, I don't trust you, and you can use that as
justification for ignoring me, but that won't wash when it counts. I
have no reason to trust you or anyone. The world proved itself to me.
You were spoken for by those who insulted me and said I had NO FRIENDS.
Did you help get them off my back? No.....did you speak up? No.....you
just isolate my reactions to provoking behavior and say I'm the bad guy.
Well, America is the bad guy too; we nuked Japan twice. Don't judge the
circumstances, just condemn us for the nukes. That's what women do: they
provoke, then act like the response was unprovoked. Nice trap. Women
who do this are EVIL; women who stand by and do nothing while it happens
are MORE evil. Where do you fit in?

You are ALL TALK. Do something NOW or SHUT UP. I'm not someone to
anger, and you are REALLY beginning to PISS ME OFF.

Outfoxing The Foxes

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Some CUNT Writes:

OK; I offered my help. You deny that I mean it and insult me again.
obviously, you *were* only interested in a flame war, so consider me
finished talking with you. And, by the way, what does "I'm not someone
to anger" mean? Is that a threat???

<----You offered WORDS. That's not "help." Please, back off already; I
can't stand cunts who are all talk. What do my words mean? Figure it
the fuck out for yourself. I mean what I said: I'm not someone you want
to anger. I don't take your type of insults like those in your first
post very kindly, and all you've been doing since my initial response is
backpedal.

I don't need anyone's "help." By this point that would alomst be
pyrrhic. You just go back to convincing yourself that you are a good
Cunt and I'll go back to changing the world while cunts like you do
nothing, okay?

Thanks.

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