>"Satanic Majesty" followed closely by "Metamorphasis"
Satanic Majesties was definately a strange one, what with psychedelia
being so prevalent. Undercover was kind of strange too, not the usual
Stones fare.
Metamorphosis wasn't really a Stones album, but a compilation of
leftover tracks from the sixties that Klein owned the rights to. Upon
hearing that Klein wanted to release an album, Bill Wyman began the
task of compiling an album for Klein to release, but Klein turned it
down, probably due to the fact that there were too many non
Jagger/Richards songs on it, thereby not enough songwriting royalties
for the Klein camp.
Tony
> Satanic Majesties was definately a strange one, what with psychedelia
> being so prevalent. Undercover was kind of strange too, not the usual
> Stones fare.
If I had to vote for worst Stones album, Undercover would probably be the
one.
> Metamorphosis wasn't really a Stones album, but a compilation of
> leftover tracks from the sixties that Klein owned the rights to. Upon
> hearing that Klein wanted to release an album, Bill Wyman began the
> task of compiling an album for Klein to release, but Klein turned it
> down, probably due to the fact that there were too many non
> Jagger/Richards songs on it, thereby not enough songwriting royalties
> for the Klein camp.
Klein doesn't get songwriting royalties, he controls other rights but not
that one.
Here's a site with some useful definitions:
http://www.alankorn.com/articles/publishing_1.html
My vote for worst Stones album would be Dirty Work with Steel Wheels
coming in second.
>"Ultra Spleen Merchant '06" <waterb...@yahooo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Satanic Majesties was definately a strange one, what with psychedelia
>> being so prevalent. Undercover was kind of strange too, not the usual
>> Stones fare.
>
>If I had to vote for worst Stones album, Undercover would probably be the
>one.
I'll go with that. Steel Wheels too. Sucks real bad.
>Klein doesn't get songwriting royalties, he controls other rights but not
>that one.
My mistake. I meant to say "publishing royalties".
Tony
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I might change my vote to Emotional Rescue, it's worse than Undercover, but
Steel Wheels ain't quite that bad, at least it marked their return to life
in a sense.
Give Emotional Rescue another listen. It's a real good album.
Especially the title track. The bass lines are very intricate. I
actually prefer the (unreleased) longer version of the song, which can
be found on the great bootleg called "Accidents Will Happen". The
outtakes from these sessions are also real good, and a lot of fun to
listen to. Songs like Fiji Jim, Yellow Cab, Misty Roads are quite
good. I can't believe the boys don't release some of these tracks,
similar to what they did with Tattoo You.
Lotsa good shit came from the Compass Point sessions. Probably the
last of the really good studio outtakes.
I think those would be my two choices too. Not Undercover, because I
really like the first two songs and the last two. The rest is lackluster,
but I think that album would've made a great EP if they'd still had such
things by 1983.
-- Bob G.
> Give Emotional Rescue another listen. It's a real good album.
> Especially the title track. The bass lines are very intricate.
The Stones aren't about intricate bass lines, let's face it, they had
exactly one virtuoso player, named Taylor, and he wasn't around by this
point. Either the whole song works or the details don't matter, and ER is
the Stones trying to figure out what the public might like instead of
forcing the public to like what the Stones wanted to do. Jagger admitted in
a Rolling Stone interview that the title track was more accidental than
deliberate, Bobby Keys called the Minnie Mouse vocals a joke and it's easy
to imagine he spoke for the rest of the band. Aside from the weak
songwriting the album sounds tinny and thin, synths are not at-home on a
Stones song. Keith might have cleaned up by this point but he neither looks
nor sounds like it, and his resentment at Mick assuming control in his
absence comes through. Take a peak at the tour film from the next year, he
won't even *look* at Mick onstage, and Jagger had enough coke in him to keep
an elephant awake for a week. Ronnie had given up playing guitar like he
was capable of by this time, Charlie was getting into booze and heroin,
perhaps motivated by this crummy music. With an effort this weird, sloppy
and tentative, it's no wonder that their next album had to be pieced
together from left-overs and out-takes, this was the Stones hitting bottom.
This was the first Rolling Stones album since the 60s I didn't bother to
buy, I eventually picked it up used for a few bucks just to complete the
collection, but it's the last Stones album that gets played around here, I
don't think it sounds much better now than it did then even long after
"disco sucks" has lost its sting.
I just did a search online for it and found this passage below that I
clipped:
METAMORPHASIS was supposed to be a throw-away to fulfill a dying
contract, while NO SECURITY was designed as a big, live, 'come back'
record following an extensive tour. But there's more rockin' in "Don't
Lie To Me," a virtually forgotten tune on side one of METAMORPHASIS,
than on all of the newer live record combined. METAMORPHASIS is playing
on my stereo right now; NO SECURITY is in the trash can.
Unfortunately I am one of those Stones "fans" that could care less
about most of their 60's output and even less for their late 70's -
2005 output. I still remember hearing "Miss You" when it first came out
and saying "What the f*ck...Disco"???
As far as I am concerned their glory years were 1968-1974...That is
when they truly were "The Greatest Rock N Roll Band in the World"
Now...for the two "strangest" Stones albums? My vote would have to be
Satanic Majesties & Black & Blue...close runner up would be
"Undercover"
For me the stangest is "Between The Button" the first time I heard this
record back in '69 somewhere
the only think I said was WHAT !!!! I found it strange because it didn't fit
the stones.
Nico
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> If I had to choose the worst Stones album I would pick anything
> recorded before "Beggars Banquet" and after "It's Only Rock & Roll"...
Excluding Aftermath is odd, that's the album where it really all came
together, where they stopped being a cover band and took on their own
identity because from that point on they had their own songwriting as good
as anyone else had.
> As far as I am concerned their glory years were 1968-1974...That is
> when they truly were "The Greatest Rock N Roll Band in the World"
I'd tend to agree, but what came before that is an important part of the
story, 62-67 is where they got the timber and concrete to build what came
later.
>I'd tend to agree, but what came before that is an important part of the
>story, 62-67 is where they got the timber and concrete to build what came
>later.
Yes, you are correct on both counts. Aftermath was really a
breakthrough album in that sense. I just found a lot more songs I enjoy
listening to from the Beggars Banquet to the It's Only Rock & Roll
years. I am not saying that Satisfaction, Paint it Black and Get Off of
My Cloud are not brilliant tunes but really if the Stones had ceased to
exist after 1966 they would have ended up just like The Dave Clark 5 or
The Animals...thankfully that didn't happen..
...we all know that after they ditched Brian Jones, the best was yet to
come ;-)
Also the addition of Jimmy Miller as producer I think really helped the
Stones with thier overall sound and songwriting abilities as well.
The second choice is tougher. I'll exclude "Metamorphasis" because
they didn't have any say in the release of that one.
I'd have to say "Dirty Work" is pretty weird, because there's so much
tension in that album and with all the guest musicians on there....
Charlie was whacked out, Mick and Keith were feuding.
I also find "A Bigger Bang" to be a weird album (that's why I haven't
reviewed it here, I have yet to put my finger on it). It sort of
sounds like the old Stones, but there's a lot of subtlety to the
tracks too. Everytime I hear them I can't decide if they're
seductively inticing or flat out boring. It's certainly their most
interesting album since Tattoo You... I'm not sure yet if that's good
or bad!
My personal choices, anyway.
On 8 Jan 2006 14:36:14 -0800, "The Space Boss" <drsmi...@aol.com>
wrote:
>"Satanic Majesty" followed closely by "Metamorphasis"