Top 10 of '99.
CLINT JOHNSON
still fresh in my mind. I'm sure there aren't gonna be any drastic
differences in people's lists were this posted on Dec. 31.
Anyway, on with the list.
10. Control Denied - The Fragile Art of Existence - Chuck Shuldiner
is a genius. Also, it's great to finally hear someone other than Chuck
singing along with his music. With clean vocals no less. There aren't
many death metal aspects about this album at all. Just good old
fashioned melodic prog power metal with a dab of death metal.
Fantastic.
9. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black - Very heavy, and very good. My
first experience with Nevermore, and I will now be buying all their old
material, and all their future material.
8. Sacred Steel - Wargods of Metal - Awesome german power metal.
Although having every other song have either the word "steel" or "metal"
in them gets annoying, these guys definitely deliver musically. If you
enjoy german power metal, you can't go wrong with these guys.
7. Arch Enemy - Burning Bridges - Though not the masterpiece their
prior album, Stigmata, is. This one is still fantastic. More on the
melodic side of the death metal spectrum than Stigmata, but not as
melodic as the Swedish bands. If there's oe complaint I have on this
album, it's that it's too short.
6. Children of Bodom - Hatebreeder - These youngsters can play some
kick ass melodic death metal. Alot of keyboards are used to accompany
the melodic guitar attack, which I think works to perfection. I just
wish I could find their first release, Something Wild. It's on
backorder everywhere.
5. Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands - This one came out in '99,
right? Fuck it, who cares. This has got to be one of the most diverse
musical experiences that I've had. There's just so much on this album.
While at times it can feel like a bit too much, but when in the right
mood, this album is absolute perfection.
4. Nightwish - Oceanborn - If someone told me that a female opera
diva singing over symphonic metal would sound great, I'd have told them
they were crazy. I Would've been way wrong. This is some fabulous
music. I simply love the vocals, and the music is sooooo perfect. Not
to mention that the keyboards are the best I've heard. Excellent guitar
work as well.
3. Edguy - Theater of Salvation - A masterpiece. This one was a huge
step up from Vain Glory Opera (and this one was really good to begin
with). If Edguy keeps improving by this margin on all their future
albums, I can't imagine how perfect their next one will be.
2. In Flames - Colony - Probably the best melodic death metal album
I've heard. These guys were my first swedish death metal experience,
and they are probably my favorite of all. The track Zombie, Inc. on
this album is simply one of the best songs I've ever heard. I think
I'll go listen to it again right now.
1. Grave Digger - Excalibur - While not even their best album ever
(Tunes of War & Knights of the Cross are even better), this one is still
better than anything put out this year. Chris Boltendahl is one of my
favorite vocalists out there, and he writes some of the best choruses
ever. Plus, the idea to write an album about King Arthur and the
Knights of the Round just plain rules.
Honorable mentions (alphabetized): Freedom Call - Stairway to
Fairyland, Gamma Ray - Powerplant, Lefay - The Seventh Seal, Nocturnal
Rites - The Sacred Talisman, Primal Fear - Jaws of Death, Riot - Sons of
Society, Sinergy - Beware the Heavens, Steel Prophet - Dark
Hallucinations, Luca Turilli - King of the Nordic Twilight, Virgin
Steele - The House of Atreus Act 1, and White Skull - Tales From the
North.
Debut album of the year:
Control Denied - The Fragile Art of Existence
Runner up: Luca Turilli - King of the Nordic Twilight
Live album of the year:
Iced Earth - Alive in Athens
Runner up: Bruce Dickinson - Scream For Me Brazil
"Best of" album of the year:
Morgana Lefay - Fata Morgana
Runner up: Iron Maiden - Ed Hunter
EP of the year:
Labyrinth - Timeless Crime
Runner up: Iron Savior - Interlude
Tribute album of the year:
Holy Dio: A Tribute to the Voice of Metal: Ronnie James Dio
Runner up: None (Holy Dio is the only one I have - I hate tribute albums
for the most part)
Shiflet
CLINT JOHNSON wrote in message <385FA40B...@home.com>...
>5. Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands - This one came out in '99,
>right? Fuck it, who cares. This has got to be one of the most diverse
>musical experiences that I've had. There's just so much on this album.
>While at times it can feel like a bit too much, but when in the right
>mood, this album is absolute perfection.
Came out in '98 actually, just got a US release in '99.
>1. Grave Digger - Excalibur - While not even their best album ever
>(Tunes of War & Knights of the Cross are even better), this one is still
>better than anything put out this year.
Whoa, you like *this* one is better than Colony, Theater of Salvation, House
of Atreus, etc? IMO, this one isn't anywhere near any of those(or for that
matter, Tunes of War, KotC, or Heart of Darkness.) I'd actually rank this
one most dissappointing of the year. I expected so much after HoD, ToW, and
KotC, getting this one was a bit of a letdown.
My top 10, not in order:
Edguy-Theater of Salvation(this one is definately number 1, no contest)
White Skull-Tales From the North
Virgin Steele-House of Atreus Act 1
Luca Turilli-King of the Nordic Twilight
In Flames-Colony
Primal Fear-Jaws of Death
Skyclad-Vintage Whine
Various-Holy Dio
Grave Digger-Excalibur(dissappointing as it was, I've not bought that many
albums released this year. And this one still beats Steel Prophet, Freedom
Call, Overkill, etc)
Nightwish-Oceanborn
Danny Shiflet
"You, don't have to wait, I'll be too late,
When you meet to jump off the edge.
I'm not like you and I don't wanna be,
Follow the times to a place you can't see
Don't call in doubt what the fashion may bring
and you'll be...falling down!"-Edguy, Falling Down
Clint Johnson
>
> Came out in '98 actually, just got a US release in '99.
>
That's what I suspected. The back of my cd says 1999, so I just went
with that.
>
> Whoa, you like *this* one is better than Colony, Theater of Salvation, House
> of Atreus, etc? IMO, this one isn't anywhere near any of those(or for that
> matter, Tunes of War, KotC, or Heart of Darkness.) I'd actually rank this
> one most dissappointing of the year. I expected so much after HoD, ToW, and
> KotC, getting this one was a bit of a letdown.
>
I find it very shocking that you think so less of Excalibur. What
didn't you like about it? I think it's almost a perfect album, minus
track 6 "The Spell", which is really, really awful.
> My top 10, not in order:
> Edguy-Theater of Salvation(this one is definately number 1, no contest)
I can see why you would rank this #1. A masterpiece.
> White Skull-Tales From the North
This one's very good, but when I listen to it, I feel like there's
something missing that would make it an A+ album. I can't put my finger
on what it is though.
> Virgin Steele-House of Atreus Act 1
This is their best, IMO. But I am just not that huge a Virgin Steele
fan. I like 'em alot, but they are not one of my favorite bands.
> Luca Turilli-King of the Nordic Twilight
Really good, but one Rhapsody album a year is enough for me (I know, I
know SoEL came out in '98, but I didn't get it until '99).
> In Flames-Colony
Brilliance. Ear candy. I'm just waiting for these guys to turn into a
soft, crappy band like what Dark Tranquility, Amorphis, Sentenced, and a
bunch of others did. I hope to god it never happens though.
> Primal Fear-Jaws of Death
Not as good as the self titled, I think they should've stuck with the 1
guitar attack. Adding a second guitarist did nothing for them. On a
side note, the packaging for Jaws of Death is much cooler though.
> Skyclad-Vintage Whine
Haven't heard it.
> Various-Holy Dio
I could never rank a tribute album in my top ten. The same goes for
live albums, "best of" albums, etc. Basically anything that isn't a
studio release of fresh material will never make it on my top ten.
> Grave Digger-Excalibur(dissappointing as it was, I've not bought that many
> albums released this year. And this one still beats Steel Prophet, Freedom
> Call, Overkill, etc)
I'm not gonna lie. It irks me that you find Excalibur so disappointing,
but I'm just gonna try and forget about it. Steel Prophet and Freedom
Call both got honorable mentions from me. I didn't like Necroshine very
much (never was a big Overkill fan). I didn't give the new Rage an
honorable mention either, which is my idea of one of the most
disappointing albums of the year.
> Nightwish-Oceanborn
Glad to see you put this one on there.
NP: Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Christmas Eve and Other Stories
daverite
I'm not at my house, so this is just going to be off the top of my head.
1. Skyclad-Vintage Whine
They just keep getting better. This one combines all their influences into one
excellent album.
(the rest in no particular order)
2. Nocturnal Rites-Sacred Talisman
Catchy as Hell, this one stayed in my car player for about a month.
3. Virgin Steele-House Of Atreus Act 1
The best one yet. Every album since Age of Consent has been better than the
prior one, a real masterpiece.
4. Motorhead-Everything Louder (Live Album)
A bunch of great songs, really raw, they've still got it live.
5. Nightwish-Oceanborn
Really suprised that I liked this one as much as I did.
6. Iced Earth-Live In Athens
Not really a fan of Iced Earth, but I like this one. These guys deserve a lot
of credit for releasing something like this for their fans.
7. Blackmore's Night-Under A Violet Moon
I liked the first one, but Ritchie sounds more comfortable with the folk
format this time around, and seems to have put the extra energy into much
better songs. I also like the production much better than the first one.
That's only 7, but those are the ones that really stand out in my mind.
--
Dave
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"Stand your ground behind the times -
And refuse to follow fashion.
Write your poetry with anger,
And then sing it with a passion."
"Penny Dreadful"
Skyclad
Shiflet
Clint Johnson wrote in message <385FC2D7...@home.com>...
>I find it very shocking that you think so less of Excalibur. What
>didn't you like about it?
There's not as much diversity musically as there is on HoD-KotC, the
choruses aren't as impressive as those three albums, the story isn't as
interesting(I mean, King Arthur's been done hundreds of times, at least with
the concepts on ToW and KotC, it's not something that's known by everybody
and their grandmother), Boltendahl's vocals aren't quite up to the par of
those three, etc. Oh, and Parcival sounds almost exactly like Monks of War.
> I think it's almost a perfect album, minus track 6 "The Spell", which is
really, really awful.
With HoD, ToW, and KotC, all tracks are excellent. With Excalibur, all are
good, but they don't stand out like most of the songs on those three(with
one exception:Mordred's Song)
>> My top 10, not in order:
>Brilliance. Ear candy. I'm just waiting for these guys to turn into a
>soft, crappy band like what Dark Tranquility, Amorphis, Sentenced, and a
>bunch of others did. I hope to god it never happens though.
Hopefully they'll keep doing this kind of stuff.
>> Primal Fear-Jaws of Death
>
>Not as good as the self titled, I think they should've stuck with the 1
>guitar attack. Adding a second guitarist did nothing for them.
I imagine it did one thing for them-made less work for the guitarist. On the
s/t album, there *were* 2 guitars parts, just that both were done by the
same guy(which isn't exactly something you can do live)
> On a side note, the packaging for Jaws of Death is much cooler though.
True, but unfortunately, it doesn't fit in any of my CD holders.
>I'm not gonna lie. It irks me that you find Excalibur so disappointing,
>but I'm just gonna try and forget about it. Steel Prophet and Freedom
>Call both got honorable mentions from me.
I wouldn't have given Steel Prophet an honorable mention. They were okay
IMO, but far from great.
> I didn't like Necroshine very
>much (never was a big Overkill fan). I didn't give the new Rage an
>honorable mention either, which is my idea of one of the most
>disappointing albums of the year.
Yeah, Ghosts was pretty dissappointing too. But after Lingua Mortis and
XIII, I didn't expect another masterpiece like I did from Grave Digger.
Clint Johnson
>
> There's not as much diversity musically as there is on HoD-KotC,
I don't know about that, but I can see where you are coming from.
Pendragon, The Round Table, Morgane Le Fay, Tristan's Fate, Emerald
Eyes, and Avalon all sound pretty different to me.
> the choruses aren't as impressive as those three albums,
You've got me baffled here. I think some of Grave Digger's best
choruses are on here. Pendragon, Excalibur, The Round Table, Morgane Le
Fay, Tristan's Fate, and Mordred's Song all have magnificent choruses.
In fact, the only choruses I don't like are The Spell and Parcival.
> the story isn't as interesting(I mean, King Arthur's been done hundreds of times, at least with
> the concepts on ToW and KotC, it's not something that's known by everybody
> and their grandmother),
I agree here, which one of the reasons (albeit a small one) why I prefer
those ahead of Excalibur. I still love the Excalibur theme though.
> Boltendahl's vocals aren't quite up to the par of
> those three, etc.
I didn't notice a difference. They all have fabulous vocals, IMO. None
of which really stand out as better than the other.
> Oh, and Parcival sounds almost exactly like Monks of War.
>
Didn't notice this. Just put on Parcival for another listen, and while
they have some similarities, I don't think they sound THAT similar.
>
> With HoD, ToW, and KotC, all tracks are excellent.
Now that's just crazy talk. HoD - Dolphin's Cry stands out as a crappy
song (What the hell is that song doing on the album? Doesn't fit in at
all IMO). ToW - The Bruce (maybe the most boring GD song I've heard),
the only song on the album that isn't fabulous. KotC - I don't like
Over the Sea, it's not as dreadful as the above mentioned songs though.
> With Excalibur, all are
> good, but they don't stand out like most of the songs on those three(with
> one exception:Mordred's Song)
Hmm. I find Pendragon, Excalibur, Morgane Le Fay, The Round Table,
Tristan's Fate, and Mordred's Song all exceptional. The rest are also
really good tracks, except the intro and The Spell.
>
> I wouldn't have given Steel Prophet an honorable mention. They were okay
> IMO, but far from great.
>
I think it's great. The music is top notch, and they pack alot of riffs
into their songs (similar to the early Iced Earth stuff). The vocals
could be done better, and they need more choruses. Also, did you notice
the Randy Rhoads/Mr. Crowley rip off in the guitar solo for track 2 "New
Life"?
Shiflet
Clint Johnson wrote in message <385FF9EA...@home.com>...
>I don't know about that, but I can see where you are coming from.
>Pendragon, The Round Table, Morgane Le Fay, Tristan's Fate, Emerald
>Eyes, and Avalon all sound pretty different to me.
They don't sound exactly a like, but all fairly similar.
>You've got me baffled here. I think some of Grave Digger's best
>choruses are on here. Pendragon, Excalibur, The Round Table, Morgane Le
Fay, Tristan's Fate, and Mordred's Song all have magnificent choruses.
>In fact, the only choruses I don't like are The Spell and Parcival.
Weird. Pendragon, Excalibur, and The Round Table were 3 of the reasons I
said the album didn't have as many good choruses. OTOH, Parcival was one of
the ones I liked(probably cause it sounded almost exactly like Monks of War)
>I agree here, which one of the reasons (albeit a small one) why I prefer
>those ahead of Excalibur. I still love the Excalibur theme though.
I don't mind it, I'd just prefer something like the previous two.
>I didn't notice a difference. They all have fabulous vocals, IMO. None
>of which really stand out as better than the other.
He uses more of a range on the previous albums...
>Didn't notice this. Just put on Parcival for another listen, and while
>they have some similarities, I don't think they sound THAT similar.
Did you put on Monks of War right after it? I can sing Monks of War to the
music of Parcival with only a change of a couple of notes. They're
*extremely* similar.
>Now that's just crazy talk. HoD - Dolphin's Cry stands out as a crappy
>song (What the hell is that song doing on the album? Doesn't fit in at
>all IMO).
That's only on the Jap. version, and was merely included as a bonus track.
It was never meant to be part of the CD.
> ToW - The Bruce (maybe the most boring GD song I've heard),
I like this one(except it's a tad too long), kinda doomy, something you
don't hear that often from GD. It's not as good as say, Rebellion, but it's
not a bad song.
>the only song on the album that isn't fabulous. KotC - I don't like
>Over the Sea, it's not as dreadful as the above mentioned songs though.
Over the Sea is probably the worst song on KotC, and I still like it just as
much or more than most of Excalibur(Pendragon, Excalibur, The Round Table,
The Spell, Morgane La Fay, Tristan's Fate...)
>Hmm. I find Pendragon, Excalibur, Morgane Le Fay, The Round Table,
>Tristan's Fate, and Mordred's Song all exceptional. The rest are also
>really good tracks, except the intro and The Spell.
Neither Pendragon or Excalibur impresses me at all, Pendragon even being one
of my least favorite GD songs from any of their last 4 albums. The Round
Table sounds like a toned down HammerFall song(parts of it sound almost
exactly like Heeding the Call) and doesn't stand out in the least IMO,
Tristan's Fate and Morgane Le Fay aren't bad, but don't compare to say,
KotC, Rebellion, Heart of Darkness, Battle of Flodden, Battle of
Bannockburn, and so many others. Mordred's Song is good though, as is
Lancelot. And I like Parcival, but then, it sounds like Monks of War so no
surprise there.
>I think it's great. The music is top notch,
I can think of at *lot* of bands with music that's a lot more top notch...
> and they pack alot of riffs into their songs (similar to the early Iced
Earth stuff).
They pack a lot of riffs, but unlike Iced Earth, a lot of them range from
sub-par to downright boring.
> The vocals could be done better, and they need more choruses.
Here I agree.
> Also, did you notice the Randy Rhoads/Mr. Crowley rip off in the guitar
solo for track 2 "New Life"?
Not really, but then, I didn't hear anything on the album that's even half
as good as most of Rhoads' stuff...
NAST...@webtv.net
Testament-The Gathering
Fantomas-s/t
Black Label Society-Sonic Brew
Gwar-We Kill Everything
Suicidal Tendencies-Freedumb
Vinnie Moore-The Maze
Type O Negative-World Coming Down
S.O.D-Bigger than the Devil
Stratovarius-The Chosen Ones
Gamma Ray-PowerPlant
and a not so "metal" list
Mike Ness-Cheating at Solitare
Lunachicks-Luxury Problem
Mr. Bungle-California
Buckethead-Monsters and Robots
Steve Vai-The Ultra Zone
Ween-Paintin the town Brown
Primus-Antipop
R.A.T.M-Battle of L.A
John popper-Zygote
Rahzel-Make the music 2000
donravi
1. Dream Theater (Metropolis 2 Scenes From a Memory)
2. Meshell Ndegeocello (Bitter)
3. Liquid Tension Experiment 2
4. Bruce Dickinson (Scream For me Brazil)
5. Jennifer Lopez (On the Seven)
6. Limp Bizkit (Significant Other)
7. Puya (Fundamental)
8. NIN
9. Dave MAthews Band
10. Chroma Key
Iron Maiden Rules
Lionheart
<top 10 list snipped>
You've really piqued my interest with Control Denied, and perhaps a fair
chance of Nighwish is in order.
My list will be forthcoming a bit later.
>Debut album of the year: Control Denied - The
>Fragile Art of Existence
>Runner up: Luca Turilli - King of the Nordic
>Twilight
Mine would be Westworld - s/t, and my runner up would be Ice Age - The
Great Divide.
>Live album of the year: Iced Earth - Alive in
>Athens
>Runner up: Bruce Dickinson - Scream For Me
>Brazil
For me it's Royal Hunt - Double Live Japan. I'm cheating on this one,
as I don't even have it! The catch is that I have all of these songs on
the Japanese import that has twice the songs on it simply called "1996"
and the other "Closing The Chapter" both of which were released in '96
and '97 respectively. These are the greatest live albums I have ever
heard. My runner up would be Leatherwolf - Wide Open.
>"Best of" album of the year: Morgana Lefay -
>Fata Morgana
I'm not big on "Best Of " albums and don't often purchase them and I'm
not sure if this one qualifies but I'll give it to Axel Rudi Pell
"Ballads II". It has 5 new songs along with their best of 'ballads' so
I guess it would fit the bill. Runner up would be Pretty Maids "Best Of
Back To Back" which helped me get into their 90's stuff this year which
I have enjoyed immensly.
>EP of the year: Labyrinth - Timeless Crime
>Runner up: Iron Savior - Interlude
I can't really say that there was an EP that I bought that came out this
year. I just got Explorer's Club "Age Of Impact EP" which is great but
it came out in '98. The only one that I can think of is Def Leppard's
Goodbye with 5 b-sides (Jap release) but it was pretty forgetful. I
still haven't gotten Timeless Crime. I see it at the store all the
time, but something about it just being an EP with 4 songs at a full
price just makes me not get it even though I really like Return To
Heaven Denied and am looking forward to the next album with Neil Kernon
behind the controls.
>Tribute album of the year: Holy Dio: A Tribute to
>the Voice of Metal: Ronnie James Dio Runner
>up: None (Holy Dio is the only one I have - I
>hate tribute albums for the most part)
I couldn't agree more. Holy Dio was great, and the best tribute album
I've ever heard.
James
NP: John West - Permanent Mark
quorthon
(no order)
'Masterpeace'-Metal Church(melodic metal)
'Burning Bridges'-Arch Enemy(melodic Swedish metal)
'Bloody Blasphemy'-God Dethroned(melodic satanic death metal from Holland)
'Metalhead'-Saxon(sounds like Saxon)
'The Avenger'-Amon Amarth(melodic death metal about Vikings)
'Hell Bent For Metal'-Various (death metal renditions of Priest songs)
'Maximum Violence'-Six Feet Under (gore infested death metal)
'Colony'-In Flames (can't even come close to The Jester Race but it's good)
'Jaws Of Death'-Primal Fear(not as good as the debut,but better than Gamma
Ray)
'Rebel Extravaganza'-Satyricon(can't fully decide on it but I need 10 so
what the Hell)
Worst:
'Holy Dio'-Various(I couldn't believe how bad this was.I'm glad I didn't pay
for it.)
'Still Life'-Opeth(My Arms Your Hearse was so good and this is horrible)
'We Kill Everything'-Gwar(thought they were headed in the right
direction...wrong)
I still have to hear:
'Tonight's Decision'-Katatonia (I'm sure it will be on the list)
'Halls Of Eternity'-Ancient
'Criteria For A Black Widow'-Annihilator
'Ravishing Grimness'-Darkthrone
'B.i.b.l.e'-Meathook Seed
'The Inexorable'-Angel Corpse
--
"I gave my heart and soul to you my friend
You let me fall
If you could only see what's in my heart
You'd take my hand" -CROWBAR
CLINT JOHNSON <fetid...@home.com> wrote in message
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> 5. Rhapsody - Symphony of Enchanted Lands - This one came out in '99,
> right? Fuck it, who cares. This has got to be one of the most diverse
> musical experiences that I've had. There's just so much on this album.
> While at times it can feel like a bit too much, but when in the right
> mood, this album is absolute perfection.
>
> 4. Nightwish - Oceanborn - If someone told me that a female opera
> diva singing over symphonic metal would sound great, I'd have told them
> they were crazy. I Would've been way wrong. This is some fabulous
> music. I simply love the vocals, and the music is sooooo perfect. Not
> to mention that the keyboards are the best I've heard. Excellent guitar
> work as well.
>
> 3. Edguy - Theater of Salvation - A masterpiece. This one was a huge
> step up from Vain Glory Opera (and this one was really good to begin
> with). If Edguy keeps improving by this margin on all their future
> albums, I can't imagine how perfect their next one will be.
>
> 2. In Flames - Colony - Probably the best melodic death metal album
> I've heard. These guys were my first swedish death metal experience,
> and they are probably my favorite of all. The track Zombie, Inc. on
> this album is simply one of the best songs I've ever heard. I think
> I'll go listen to it again right now.
>
> 1. Grave Digger - Excalibur - While not even their best album ever
> (Tunes of War & Knights of the Cross are even better), this one is still
> better than anything put out this year. Chris Boltendahl is one of my
> favorite vocalists out there, and he writes some of the best choruses
> ever. Plus, the idea to write an album about King Arthur and the
> Knights of the Round just plain rules.
>
> Honorable mentions (alphabetized): Freedom Call - Stairway to
> Fairyland, Gamma Ray - Powerplant, Lefay - The Seventh Seal, Nocturnal
> Rites - The Sacred Talisman, Primal Fear - Jaws of Death, Riot - Sons of
> Society, Sinergy - Beware the Heavens, Steel Prophet - Dark
> Hallucinations, Luca Turilli - King of the Nordic Twilight, Virgin
> Steele - The House of Atreus Act 1, and White Skull - Tales From the
> North.
>
> Debut album of the year:
> Control Denied - The Fragile Art of Existence
> Runner up: Luca Turilli - King of the Nordic Twilight
>
> Live album of the year:
> Iced Earth - Alive in Athens
> Runner up: Bruce Dickinson - Scream For Me Brazil
>
> "Best of" album of the year:
> Morgana Lefay - Fata Morgana
> Runner up: Iron Maiden - Ed Hunter
>
> EP of the year:
> Labyrinth - Timeless Crime
> Runner up: Iron Savior - Interlude
>
Unhalowed
Graveland - Immortal Pride
Metal Church - Masterpeace
Hypocrisy - Hypocrisy
Sacred Steel - Wardogs of Metal
Immortal - Pure Holocaust
Dark Throne - Ravishging Grimness
Yngwie J. Malmsteen - Alchemy
Emperor - IX Equilibrium
Immolation - Failures for Gods
Dimmu Borgir - Spiritual Black Dimensions
quorthon
--
"I gave my heart and soul to you my friend
You let me fall
If you could only see what's in my heart
You'd take my hand" -CROWBAR
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Aaron Burrough
<don...@gateway.net> wrote:
> 5. Jennifer Lopez (On the Seven)
> 6. Limp Bizkit (Significant Other)
I am not even going to ask why these two pieces of garbage are here...
--
"Dust fills my eyes
Clouds roll by and I roll with them
Centuries cry, orders fly, and I fall again"
"Pull Me Under" - Dream Theater
Shiflet
Lionheart wrote in message
<2030-38...@storefull-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>I still haven't gotten Timeless Crime. I see it at the store all the
time, but something about it just being an EP with 4 songs
5 actually, there's an unlisted cover of a Sanctuary song.
>at a full price just makes me not get it even though I really like Return
To
Heaven Denied and am looking forward to the next album with Neil Kernon
behind the controls.
Likewise. I won't buy an EP at full price, unless all the songs are like 10
minutes or something, and even then, it'd have to be by a band I really
like...
>James
>
>NP: John West - Permanent Mark
NP:Savatage-Gutter Ballet
Igor Bratic
>
> In article <83prlf$a4k$1...@news.laserlink.net>, "donravi"
> <don...@gateway.net> wrote:
>
> > 5. Jennifer Lopez (On the Seven)
> > 6. Limp Bizkit (Significant Other)
>
> I am not even going to ask why these two pieces of garbage are here...
Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
Shiflet
Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
>Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
>here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
No, you're not.
Igor Bratic
>
> Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
>
> >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
> >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
>
> No, you're not.
Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
Red Russian
Whoa, Edguy AND Rhapsody AND Sacred Steel AND Grave Digger. P-A-I-N-F-U-L!
;-o
I know you won't like my top 10 either, but that's OK. I think '99 was a
pretty shitty year from metal, which is why I don't have alot of it on my
list (in no particular order):
Badlands - Dusk
Mogg/Way - Chocolate Box
Dream Theater- Scenes From A Memory
Rage Against The Machine - The Battle Of L.A.
The Tea Party - Triptych
Zakk Wylde's Black Label Society - Sonic Brew
Testament - The Gathering
Gordian Knot - GK
Puya - Fundamental
Primal Fear - Jaws Of Death
Worst of '99:
Megadeth - Risk
Johnfwolfe
>Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person here
who DOESN'T find her attractive?
-----------------------------------------------------------------
It's tough to tell who's actually attractive and who's not. They get the best
makeup people in the country to put on their faces for them, and get the best
plastic surgeons in the country to shape and contour them. All I know is that
her butt is enormous.
Nick Lindley
>> >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
>>
>
>Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
She can shake her ass as much as she wants. I'm not going to buy her crappy
CD.
--
Nick Lindley
'Like the sky
I'm perpetual, I'll never die'
Clint Johnson
>
That's what I meant when I said that I knew where you were coming from.
The songs do have a similar sound, which is probably the largest flaw of
the album. But they all aren't mirror images of each other.
>
> Weird. Pendragon, Excalibur, and The Round Table were 3 of the reasons I
> said the album didn't have as many good choruses.
Oh man! I guess we'll jusr have to agree to disagree here. I simply
love those three choruses.
> OTOH, Parcival was one of
> the ones I liked(probably cause it sounded almost exactly like Monks of War)
>
The choruses are very similar. I don't really care for either of them.
>
> He uses more of a range on the previous albums...
>
You're right, but it's not that huge of a difference to me. It's not
like he changed his style or anything. He still sounds the same as he
always has, but without using more range. Which is one of the reasons
why alot of the songs have a simliar sound.
>
> Did you put on Monks of War right after it? I can sing Monks of War to the
> music of Parcival with only a change of a couple of notes. They're
> *extremely* similar.
>
No, I just put on Parcival and compared it to Monks of War from memory
(I've heard it a thousand times). The only thing I noticed that was
VERY similar was that the choruses were arranged the same.
>
> That's only on the Jap. version, and was merely included as a bonus track.
> It was never meant to be part of the CD.
>
It was used for more versions than the jap (I'm pretty sure). Because
my version isn't the japanese version, I have the digipak. Just to add
a different song from HoD that I think is mediocre (since Dolphin's Cry
doesn't count), is Black Death, or even My Life (they both often get
skipped when I listen to HoD).
>
> I like this one(except it's a tad too long), kinda doomy, something you
> don't hear that often from GD. It's not as good as say, Rebellion, but it's
> not a bad song.
>
There's not much that's as good as Rebellion, though I get sick of
sitting through 30 annoying seconds of bagpipes every time I hear it.
As for The Bruce, the only thing I like about it is when Uwe Lulis'
leads at the end. It's just so damn boring and repetitive.
>
> Over the Sea is probably the worst song on KotC, and I still like it just as
> much or more than most of Excalibur(Pendragon, Excalibur, The Round Table,
> The Spell, Morgane La Fay, Tristan's Fate...)
> Neither Pendragon or Excalibur impresses me at all, Pendragon even being one
> of my least favorite GD songs from any of their last 4 albums. The Round
> Table sounds like a toned down HammerFall song(parts of it sound almost
> exactly like Heeding the Call) and doesn't stand out in the least IMO,
> Tristan's Fate and Morgane Le Fay aren't bad, but don't compare to say,
> KotC, Rebellion, Heart of Darkness, Battle of Flodden, Battle of
> Bannockburn, and so many others. Mordred's Song is good though, as is
> Lancelot. And I like Parcival, but then, it sounds like Monks of War so no
> surprise there.
I'm not even gonna say anything about any of this, it's all just
unbelievable to me. I'm sure you have a good idea of what I would say
if I felt like typing it.
>
> I can think of at *lot* of bands with music that's a lot more top notch...
>
So can I, but they're still very good. And I look forward to future
releases from them.
>
> They pack a lot of riffs, but unlike Iced Earth, a lot of them range from
> sub-par to downright boring.
>
More crazy talk. I seriously doubt you've listened to the album more
than twice.
>
> Not really, but then, I didn't hear anything on the album that's even half
> as good as most of Rhoads' stuff...
>
I didn't say that he was better than Rhoads. I said that in the guitar
solo, parts were stolen from Mr. Crowley. I can't beleive you didn't
notice it. Which once again leads me to believe that you couldn't have
listened to it more than twice.
Clint Johnson
>
> You've really piqued my interest with Control Denied.
>
Have you heard Death's The Sound of Perseverance? If you have, just
juxtapose the growling vocals with cleaner vocals, and you have Control
Denied. It is very progressive. You may like it.
> and perhaps a fair
> chance of Nighwish is in order.
Oh, absolutely. I can't beleieve you've waited this long.
> My list will be forthcoming a bit later.
>
Look forward to it.
>
> Mine would be Westworld - s/t,
I heard a couple of songs from this, and it just didn't do anything for
me. It sounds nothing like Riot.
> and my runner up would be Ice Age - The
> Great Divide.
>
Don't even know what this is.
>
> For me it's Royal Hunt - Double Live Japan. I'm cheating on this one,
> as I don't even have it! The catch is that I have all of these songs on
> the Japanese import that has twice the songs on it simply called "1996"
> and the other "Closing The Chapter" both of which were released in '96
> and '97 respectively. These are the greatest live albums I have ever
> heard. My runner up would be Leatherwolf - Wide Open.
>
Was the RH live album recorded before DC Cooper left? If so, who's
their new singer? I'm not that big a DC Cooper fan, maybe a new singer
will make RH a better band (at least to these ears).
>
> I'm not big on "Best Of " albums and don't often purchase them
I like to buy them when I'm curious about a band, and have doubts that
I'll ever purchase their entire back catalog.
> and I'm
> not sure if this one qualifies but I'll give it to Axel Rudi Pell
> "Ballads II". It has 5 new songs along with their best of 'ballads' so
> I guess it would fit the bill.
How are the 5 new tracks? I have been very skeptical about this one,
and the other ballads album. An album with the word "ballad" in the
title doesn't exactly tempt the money to come out of my wallet.
> Runner up would be Pretty Maids "Best Of
> Back To Back" which helped me get into their 90's stuff this year which
> I have enjoyed immensly.
>
I've never heard Pretty Maids, been curious though. I Saw a couple of
discs from these guys at the shop yesterday, but there was other stuff I
needed to get.
> I still haven't gotten Timeless Crime. I see it at the store all the
> time, but something about it just being an EP with 4 songs at a full
> price just makes me not get it even though I really like Return To
> Heaven Denied and am looking forward to the next album with Neil Kernon
> behind the controls.
>
Yeah, even though the 4 tracks on the disc are awesome, It's not worth
full price. I paid $6.99 for it, so I'm happy. I also am looking
forward to their next one. RTHD is great.
>
> I couldn't agree more. Holy Dio was great, and the best tribute album
> I've ever heard.
>
Same here, but that may have to do with the fact that it was the only
complete tribute album I've ever heard.
NP: Gandalf - Deadly Fairytales
Clint Johnson
>
> Shiflet wrote:
> >
> > Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
> >
> > >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
> > >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
> >
> > No, you're not.
>
> Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
Add me to the I think Jennifer Lopez in unattractive list. For one
thing, her ass is way too big.
Shiflet
Clint Johnson wrote in message <38610EDB...@home.com>...
>It was used for more versions than the jap (I'm pretty sure). Because
>my version isn't the japanese version, I have the digipak. Just to add
>a different song from HoD that I think is mediocre (since Dolphin's Cry
>doesn't count), is Black Death, or even My Life (they both often get
>skipped when I listen to HoD).
Black Death I don't mind. I have no idea what My Life is though, it's not on
my copy...
>More crazy talk. I seriously doubt you've listened to the album more
>than twice.
It was just about all I listened to the first couple of days after I got it.
>I didn't say that he was better than Rhoads. I said that in the guitar
>solo, parts were stolen from Mr. Crowley.
And I said I didn't notice it, cause I didn't hear anything near that
quality. Maybe a really second rate Mr. Crowley...
> I can't beleive you didn't notice it. Which once again leads me to
believe that you couldn't have listened to it more than twice.
Nope.
Clint Johnson
>
> Black Death I don't mind. I have no idea what My Life is though, it's not on
> my copy...
>
I guess My Life is another bonus track along with Dolphin's Cry. I just
glanced at the insert, and it says My Life was written by Lulis and
Gottlich. Do you know who wrote Dolphin's Cry? It says nothing about
it in the insert. As for how My Life sounds, it's similar to Black
Death.
Igor Bratic
>
> Igor Bratic wrote in message <38608D...@home.com>...
> >Shiflet wrote:
> >>
> >> Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
> >>
> >> >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
> >> >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
> >>
> >> No, you're not.
> >
> >Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
>
> CD.
Yeah, and maybe she should stop making videos that can cause
seizures or serious damage to your retina.
--
Igor
Igor Bratic
>
> Igor Bratic wrote:
> >
> > Shiflet wrote:
> > >
> > > Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
> > >
> > > >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
> > > >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
> > >
> > > No, you're not.
> >
> > Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
>
> thing, her ass is way too big.
Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me about her too. Despite
what Spinal Tap says I don't think that bigger cushion = sweeter
pushin'. ;)
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>
> Clint Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Igor Bratic wrote:
> > >
> > > Shiflet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
> > > >
> > > > >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only person
> > > > >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
> > > >
> > > > No, you're not.
> > >
> > > Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
> >
> > Add me to the I think Jennifer Lopez in unattractive list. For one
> > thing, her ass is way too big.
>
> Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me about her too. Despite
> what Spinal Tap says I don't think that bigger cushion = sweeter
> pushin'. ;)
Whoa, I've seen some Jennifer Lopez videos and to tell you the truth I
couldn't give a damn what she is singing about, she is hot! No complaints
about her ass here.
Shiflet
Clint Johnson wrote in message <3861272D...@home.com>...
>I guess My Life is another bonus track along with Dolphin's Cry.
I have Don't Bring Me Down as the second bonus on my version...
> I just glanced at the insert, and it says My Life was written by Lulis
and
>Gottlich. Do you know who wrote Dolphin's Cry? It says nothing about
>it in the insert.
I don't recall right off hand.
Lionheart
>Have you heard Death's The Sound of
>Perseverance? If you have, just juxtapose the
>growling vocals with cleaner vocals, and you
>have Control Denied. It is very progressive. You
>may like it.
I'm not into death metal, and no I haven't heard Death. What really
piques my interest is the transformation of a death metal singer with
growls to a clean voice with progressive elements.
>I heard a couple of songs from this, and it just
>didn't do anything for me. It sounds nothing like
>Riot.
I don't think their intention is to sound like Riot with this side
project. This is more of a retro (70's-80's) style heavy metal band.
The vocals are much better with Tony Harnell fronting them than Riot's.
>and my runner up would be Ice Age - The
>Great Divide.
>Don't even know what this is.
Probably not something you'd like. They sound a lot like a modern Rush
and very proggy. They are excellent musically. If they could ever find
themselves a good singer this band could make it big in the prog
community.
>Was the RH live album recorded before DC
>Cooper left? If so, who's their new singer? I'm
>not that big a DC Cooper fan, maybe a new
>singer will make RH a better band (at least to
>these ears).
You've got to be kidding!?!! I idolized many great singers (Halford,
Harnell, etc.) for a long time that I thought would never be topped, but
DC has done just that. I've yet to hear a better singer than DC. The
guy just has this godly voice. I'm curious as to what songs you heard
with him singing. Were they with RH or with The Alliance?
Yes, DC sings on the live albums (before he left) and his voice is even
better on the live albums than on the studio ones (which are great
within themselves) Their new singer is John West who has one heckuva
voice in his own right. Not as much range as DC, but has some great
pipes. He has been compared to Glenn Hughes and his style.
>How are the 5 new tracks? I have been very
>skeptical about this one, and the other ballads
>album. An album with the word "ballad" in the
>title doesn't exactly tempt the money to come
>out of my wallet.
I thought 4 out of the 5 were excellent. Johnny really shines on these
songs. I really don't even consider one of the tracks "I Believe In You"
a ballad, but more of a mid tempo rocker. "Broken Heart" is an amazing
song that I'd rank right up there in the top 5 ARP songs of all time.
The only one of the five I didn't care for was "The Clown Is Dead" which
is an acoustic, shortened version of the original with Johnny instead of
Jeff. The song really falls flat, but it's the only knock on the new
songs. I paid close to $20 for this CD, and I'd say the four great
songs on here are worth every penny! As for the first Ballads, it's a
bit of a disappointment, but it has more songs that weren't on previous
albums.
>Same here, but that may have to do with the
>fact that it was the only complete tribute album
>I've ever heard.
You may also want to check out the Judas Priest tribute "Legends Of
Metal" in case you haven't. It has a lot of power metal bands as well,
but make sure and get the import version in two different volumes as
opposed to the single CD US version.
James
Glenn
pick 10... but ones I did enjoy a lot include:
Brucey - Scream For Me Brazil
Def Leppard - Euphoria
Iron Savior - Interlude
Lefay - The Seventh Seal
Iced Earth - Alive In Athens
In The Woods - Strange In Stereo
Ministry - Dark Side Of The Spoon
SOD - Bigger Than The Devil
Rotting Christ - Sleep Of The Angels
Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black
Engine - s/t (just got it the other day)
My Dying Bride - The Light At The End Of The World (got it a few days back,
only heard it a couple of times, but I imagine after another few listens
I'll like it a lot)
Haven't got Control Denied yet but am hanging out for it to arrive :)
Glenn
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Shiflet
Lionheart wrote in message
<11715-38...@storefull-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>I'm not into death metal, and no I haven't heard Death. What really
piques my interest is the transformation of a death metal singer with
growls to a clean voice with progressive elements.
Death's music also has some progressive elements. And Chuck's singing style
hasn't changed, he just got a new singer for Control Denied.
>You've got to be kidding!?!! I idolized many great singers (Halford,
Harnell, etc.) for a long time that I thought would never be topped, but
DC has done just that. I've yet to hear a better singer than DC.
I've heard a *lot* of better singers than DC. Halford, J. S. Soto, Johnny
Gioeli, etc.
> The guy just has this godly voice. I'm curious as to what songs you heard
with him singing. Were they with RH or with The Alliance?
I've heard the s/t album you sent me...
>You may also want to check out the Judas Priest tribute "Legends Of
Metal" in case you haven't. It has a lot of power metal bands as well,
but make sure and get the import version in two different volumes as
opposed to the single CD US version.
Vol. 2 is pretty tough to get...
>James
Clint Johnson
>
> I'm not into death metal, and no I haven't heard Death. What really
> piques my interest is the transformation of a death metal singer with
> growls to a clean voice with progressive elements.
>
Well, the Sound of Perseverance wasn't really a death metal album. It
was very technical with progressove elements. The only thing deathy
about it were the doom vocals from Chuck Shuldiner (who also writes all
the music for Death & Control Denied). Control Denied is Chuck
concentrating on only the music, and letting someone else take care of
the vocals (who just so happens to have a clean voice).
>
> I don't think their intention is to sound like Riot with this side
> project. This is more of a retro (70's-80's) style heavy metal band.
> The vocals are much better with Tony Harnell fronting them than Riot's.
>
The vocals are better, but the music is just to "retro" (I'm stealing
your word).
>
> You've got to be kidding!?!! I idolized many great singers (Halford,
> Harnell, etc.) for a long time that I thought would never be topped, but
> DC has done just that. I've yet to hear a better singer than DC. The
> guy just has this godly voice. I'm curious as to what songs you heard
> with him singing. Were they with RH or with The Alliance?
>
I have heard several songs from Royal Hunt from various albums, and I
have his solo album that came out this year. What can I say, I just
don't like his voice.
> Yes, DC sings on the live albums (before he left) and his voice is even
> better on the live albums than on the studio ones (which are great
> within themselves) Their new singer is John West who has one heckuva
> voice in his own right. Not as much range as DC, but has some great
> pipes. He has been compared to Glenn Hughes and his style.
>
When are they supposed to put out a new one with West?
>
> You may also want to check out the Judas Priest tribute "Legends Of
> Metal" in case you haven't. It has a lot of power metal bands as well,
> but make sure and get the import version in two different volumes as
> opposed to the single CD US version.
>
I thought about picking these up on my last order from Century Media,
but I've just never been a big fan of Judas Priest.
> James
Shiflet
Clint Johnson wrote in message <37C185CF...@home.com>...
>I thought about picking these up on my last order from Century Media,
>but I've just never been a big fan of Judas Priest.
Last time I checked, they were out of stock. If you ever *do* decide to
order them, make sure you find out if they're in stock first.
Lionheart
>Death's music also has some progressive
>elements. And Chuck's singing style hasn't
>changed, he just got a new singer for Control
>Denied.
Ah, so that's what happened. I was thinking that he tried to do
something completely different with his voice and was curious as to how
something like that would come out.
>I've heard a *lot* of better singers than DC.
>Halford, J. S. Soto, Johnny Gioeli, etc.
You need to hear him sing live before you could make a complete
judgement of his voice. What can I say, not everybody likes a certain
singer, although I must say you are in the minority when it comes to DC.
>I've heard the s/t album you sent me...
Yes, and you and Clint are the only two people I've heard that haven't
liked it.
>Vol. 2 is pretty tough to get...
Actually, both of the import volumes are tough to get nowadays. The US
release (which is half of the songs of both Vol 1 & 2 import) is still
readily available though. I have both of the import volumes but I'm
bummed because it has a scratch that's making it skip on Vol 1 on my
favorite song of either disc - the cover of Saxon doing YGATC. :(
James
NP: DC Cooper - No More Wasted Time
Lionheart
>When are they supposed to put out a new one
>with West?
They already have actually. Their new one called "Fear" came out a
couple of months ago. It's good although very short with only 7 songs
clocking in at 49 minutes. The album has grown on me quite a bit in
recent weeks. John West is great on here (and he'll be a solid frontman
for them), although musically I feel it's not quite up to par with the
last two before it. It seems like Andre kind of rushed this one along.
Alexander the Great
GAMMA RAY / Power Plant (best so far)
QUIET RIOT / Alive & Well
MÖTLEY CRÜE / Supersonic & Demonic Relics
MYLÈNE FARMER / Innamoramento
VIRGIN STEELE / House of Atreus - act 1
DEF LEPPARD / Euphoria
SINERGY / Beware the Heavens
Hail & Kill!!!
Shiflet
Lionheart wrote in message
<1250-386...@storefull-225.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>You need to hear him sing live before you could make a complete
judgement of his voice.
I find that extremely hard to believe, especially considering I haven't
heard *one* singer who sounds better live than in studio...
>Yes, and you and Clint are the only two people I've heard that haven't
liked it.
Maybe, but I certainly haven't seen his fans coming out of the woodwork
either...
>Actually, both of the import volumes are tough to get nowadays.
I got Vol. 1 from CD Now a couple of days ago...
> The US release (which is half of the songs of both Vol 1 & 2 import) is
still
readily available though. I have both of the import volumes but I'm
bummed because it has a scratch that's making it skip on Vol 1 on my
favorite song of either disc - the cover of Saxon doing YGATC. :(
Ugh, I hated that cover, and YGATC is one of my fave. Priest songs to begin
with. My faves. from Vol. 1-The Ripper(M. Fate) and Jawbreaker(Rage)
>James
>
>NP: DC Cooper - No More Wasted Time
Danny Shiflet
quorthon
The last Death cd I liked was 'Leprosy'.
--
"I gave my heart and soul to you my friend
You let me fall
If you could only see what's in my heart
You'd take my hand" -CROWBAR
Shiflet <rshi...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> Lionheart wrote in message
> <11715-38...@storefull-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>
> >I'm not into death metal, and no I haven't heard Death. What really
> piques my interest is the transformation of a death metal singer with
> growls to a clean voice with progressive elements.
>
>
> Death's music also has some progressive elements. And Chuck's singing
style
> hasn't changed, he just got a new singer for Control Denied.
>
> >You've got to be kidding!?!! I idolized many great singers (Halford,
> Harnell, etc.) for a long time that I thought would never be topped, but
> DC has done just that. I've yet to hear a better singer than DC.
>
> I've heard a *lot* of better singers than DC. Halford, J. S. Soto, Johnny
> Gioeli, etc.
>
> > The guy just has this godly voice. I'm curious as to what songs you
heard
> with him singing. Were they with RH or with The Alliance?
>
>
> I've heard the s/t album you sent me...
>
> >You may also want to check out the Judas Priest tribute "Legends Of
> Metal" in case you haven't. It has a lot of power metal bands as well,
> but make sure and get the import version in two different volumes as
> opposed to the single CD US version.
>
>
> Vol. 2 is pretty tough to get...
>
> >James
quorthon
--
"I gave my heart and soul to you my friend
You let me fall
If you could only see what's in my heart
You'd take my hand" -CROWBAR
Clint Johnson <fetid...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Lionheart wrote:
> >
> > I'm not into death metal, and no I haven't heard Death. What really
> > piques my interest is the transformation of a death metal singer with
> > growls to a clean voice with progressive elements.
> >
>
> Well, the Sound of Perseverance wasn't really a death metal album. It
> was very technical with progressove elements. The only thing deathy
> about it were the doom vocals from Chuck Shuldiner (who also writes all
> the music for Death & Control Denied). Control Denied is Chuck
> concentrating on only the music, and letting someone else take care of
> the vocals (who just so happens to have a clean voice).
>
> >
> > I don't think their intention is to sound like Riot with this side
> > project. This is more of a retro (70's-80's) style heavy metal band.
> > The vocals are much better with Tony Harnell fronting them than Riot's.
> >
>
> The vocals are better, but the music is just to "retro" (I'm stealing
> your word).
>
>
> >
> > You've got to be kidding!?!! I idolized many great singers (Halford,
> > Harnell, etc.) for a long time that I thought would never be topped, but
> > DC has done just that. I've yet to hear a better singer than DC. The
> > guy just has this godly voice. I'm curious as to what songs you heard
> > with him singing. Were they with RH or with The Alliance?
> >
>
> I have heard several songs from Royal Hunt from various albums, and I
> have his solo album that came out this year. What can I say, I just
> don't like his voice.
>
> > Yes, DC sings on the live albums (before he left) and his voice is even
> > better on the live albums than on the studio ones (which are great
> > within themselves) Their new singer is John West who has one heckuva
> > voice in his own right. Not as much range as DC, but has some great
> > pipes. He has been compared to Glenn Hughes and his style.
> >
>
> When are they supposed to put out a new one with West?
>
> >
> > You may also want to check out the Judas Priest tribute "Legends Of
> > Metal" in case you haven't. It has a lot of power metal bands as well,
> > but make sure and get the import version in two different volumes as
> > opposed to the single CD US version.
> >
>
> I thought about picking these up on my last order from Century Media,
> but I've just never been a big fan of Judas Priest.
>
> > James
quorthon
--
"I gave my heart and soul to you my friend
You let me fall
If you could only see what's in my heart
You'd take my hand" -CROWBAR
Igor Bratic <bra...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Clint Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Igor Bratic wrote:
> > >
> > > Shiflet wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igor Bratic wrote in message <386078...@home.com>...
> > > >
> > > > >Since we're already talking about Jennifer Lopez, am I the only
person
> > > > >here who DOESN'T find her attractive?
> > > >
> > > > No, you're not.
> > >
> > > Wow, it's nice to know there are others.
> >
> > Add me to the I think Jennifer Lopez in unattractive list. For one
> > thing, her ass is way too big.
>
> Yeah, that's one thing that bothers me about her too. Despite
> what Spinal Tap says I don't think that bigger cushion = sweeter
> pushin'. ;)
Igor Bratic
>
> "Talk about bumcakes, that girl's got'em "
Man, that movie's a classic. In about 90 minutes they managed
to make fun of every rock cliché that I can think of.
T. & M. Van Noggeren
>
> I know it's only Dec. 21, but I want to get this post out while it's
> still fresh in my mind. I'm sure there aren't gonna be any drastic
> differences in people's lists were this posted on Dec. 31.
>
> Anyway, on with the list.
>
> 10. Control Denied - The Fragile Art of Existence - Chuck Shuldiner
> is a genius. Also, it's great to finally hear someone other than Chuck
> singing along with his music. With clean vocals no less. There aren't
> many death metal aspects about this album at all. Just good old
> fashioned melodic prog power metal with a dab of death metal.
> Fantastic.
I haven't got this yet - the shops I deal with locally decided not to
stock it so I have to special order it.
>
> 9. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black - Very heavy, and very good. My
> first experience with Nevermore, and I will now be buying all their old
> material, and all their future material.
No disagreement here. Gotta love Warrell & the boys.
Here's what I'm calling my faves of the year today:
1. Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory (I can't wait for the tour!)
2. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black
3. Mogg/Way - Chocolate Box (long live some version of UFO)
4. Glenn Hughes - The Way It Is
5. Spock's Beard - Day For Night
6. Tiamat - Skeleton Skeletron
7. Badlands - Dusk
8. Mollo.Martin - The Cage
9. Metal Church - Masterpeace
10. Leslie West - As Phat As It Gets
I could go on for another 20 or so albums but I'll give honourable
mention to Engine, Jeff Kollman, Platypus, James Murphy and Vinnie
Moore.
Regards,
Tony
Johnfwolfe
>From: "T. & M. Van Noggeren" ton...@MNSi.Net wrote:
>
>Here's what I'm calling my faves of the year today:
>
>1. Dream Theater - Scenes from a Memory (I can't wait for the tour!)
>2. Nevermore - Dreaming Neon Black
>3. Mogg/Way - Chocolate Box (long live some version of UFO)
>4. Glenn Hughes - The Way It Is
>5. Spock's Beard - Day For Night
Spock's Beard? What kind of a nutty band name is that? Well, at least it's
not as ridiculous as that band called Anal Cunt.
just...@my-deja.com
metioned it, I thought Weird Al-Running with Scissors was fucking great.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
T. & M. Van Noggeren
Nutty name indeed but great music if you like prog rock/metal.
Regards,
Tony
Lionheart
>My list will be forthcoming a bit later.
I had to listen to Andi Deris "Done By Mirrors" and Raven "One For All"
which I got last week to be sure that I gave them a fair shot at my top
10. While neither of them quite cracked the top spots they are both very
good and worthy of honorable mentions. Anyways, my top 10 for the year:
1. DC Cooper - DC Cooper
2. Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
3. Westworld - Westworld
4. Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
5. Pink Cream 69 - Electrified
6. Royal Hunt - Fear
7. Engine - Engine
8. Artension - Forces Of Nature
9. TNT - Transistor
10. Pretty Maids - Anything Worth Doing Is...
Honorable Mentions:
Riot - Sons Of Society
Andi Deris - Done By Mirrors
Saxon - Metalhead
MVP - Animation
The Cage - The Cage (Martin/Mollo)
Edguy - Theater Of Salvation
Def Leppard - Euphoria
Raven - One For All
Freedom Call - Stairway To Fairland
Roland Grapow - Kaleidescope
Uriah Heep - Sonic Oragami
James
NP: Andi Deris - Done By Mirrors
Lionheart
>I find that extremely hard to believe, especially
>considering I haven't heard *one* singer who
>sounds better live than in studio...
That's what makes him a special singer and a very talented one at that,
is that he DOES sing better live. You may not be very fond of live
albums but if you were to hear these you'd see for yourself that he
sounds even better.
>Maybe, but I certainly haven't seen his fans
>coming out of the woodwork either...
Well the thing is that he's not very well known, in particular in the
US. That, plus his solo album with The Alliance just got a US release
last month. Before that he was with a band (Royal Hunt) that is almost
not heard of in the US and is progressive metal which is hardly going to
get much talk in a Maiden NG or other metal NG/internet media. You go
to Japan and DC is an icon, a living legend practically. Oh, and before
you say that nearly everybody in metal is that way in Japan, that's not
nearly the case. There's a lot of bands that are more popular in Japan
than other parts of the world, but not everybody is worshipped out
there. Plus not everybody or anybody wins vocalist of the year for two
straight years (96-97). DC is a great singer.
>Ugh, I hated that cover, and YGATC is one of
>my fave. Priest songs to begin with. My faves.
>from Vol. 1-The Ripper(M. Fate) and
>Jawbreaker(Rage)
I thought Saxon did a great job with that cover, although DC did an even
better version on a boot that I have. I thought Iced Earth's version of
The Ripper blew away Mercyful Fate's one. It seemed to me like with the
range that King Diamond supposedly possesses that he wimped out in
reaching the high notes. I was expecting him to reach those and even
exceed the ones of Halfords but he didn't. The Rage cover is pretty
good, but my faves are YGATC, Fates Warning doing Saints In Hell and
Helloween's version of The Hellion/Electric Eye.
Something should be said of UDO's cover of Metal Gods too as that
version is really blood pumping and energizing!
Warlock
(Lionheart) wrote:
>Lionheart wrote:
>>My list will be forthcoming a bit later.
>
>I had to listen to Andi Deris "Done By Mirrors" and Raven "One For All"
>which I got last week to be sure that I gave them a fair shot at my top
>10. While neither of them quite cracked the top spots they are both very
>good and worthy of honorable mentions. Anyways, my top 10 for the year:
>
>1. DC Cooper - DC Cooper
>2. Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
>3. Westworld - Westworld
>4. Dream Theater - Scenes From A Memory
>5. Pink Cream 69 - Electrified
>6. Royal Hunt - Fear
>7. Engine - Engine
>8. Artension - Forces Of Nature
>9. TNT - Transistor
>10. Pretty Maids - Anything Worth Doing Is...
>
>Honorable Mentions:
>Riot - Sons Of Society
>Andi Deris - Done By Mirrors
>Saxon - Metalhead
>MVP - Animation
>The Cage - The Cage (Martin/Mollo)
>Edguy - Theater Of Salvation
>Def Leppard - Euphoria
>Raven - One For All
>Freedom Call - Stairway To Fairland
>Roland Grapow - Kaleidescope
>Uriah Heep - Sonic Oragami
>
>James
>
>NP: Andi Deris - Done By Mirrors
>
James, I see you finally got a hold of The Cage w/ Tony Martin. Glad
to see you enjoyed it. I'd like to pick it up myself, is it worth the
aggravation of looking high and low for it or special ordering it?
Thanks for your input.
--Hugh
Shiflet
Lionheart wrote in message
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>Well the thing is that he's not very well known, in particular in the
US.
Neither are countless other bands I see mentioned here all the time.
> That, plus his solo album with The Alliance just got a US release
last month.
A lot of other bands mentioned here regulary don't have US releases at all.
> Before that he was with a band (Royal Hunt) that is almost
not heard of in the US
See above.
> and is progressive metal which is hardly going to get much talk in a
Maiden NG or other metal NG/internet media.
Err, it gets fair amount of talk here...
> You go to Japan and DC is an icon, a living legend practically. Oh, and
before you say that nearly everybody in metal is that way in Japan, that's
not
nearly the case. There's a lot of bands that are more popular in Japan
than other parts of the world, but not everybody is worshipped out
there.
But a *lot* of bands are though.
>Plus not everybody or anybody wins vocalist of the year for two
straight years (96-97).
How was the poll conducted?
> DC is a great singer.
Not IMO.
>I thought Saxon did a great job with that cover, although DC did an even
better version on a boot that I have. I thought Iced Earth's version of
The Ripper blew away Mercyful Fate's one. It seemed to me like with the
range that King Diamond supposedly possesses that he wimped out in
reaching the high notes. I was expecting him to reach those and even
exceed the ones of Halfords but he didn't.
You *have* heard the original version, right? Cause in it, Halford only hits
the high notes at the very end. Coincedentally, at the same point in the
song where King hits them(and he *does* hit them, just listen to both
versions back to back). There never *was* a lot of high notes in The Ripper.
Don't ask me why, but King seems to have wanted to do a straight out cover,
and not add much of his usual style to it, which is exactly what he did. And
the Iced Earth version just sucks. A great band manages to totally ruin a
good song.
> The Rage cover is pretty good, but my faves are YGATC, Fates Warning doing
Saints In Hell
Saints in Hell I can't stand. I skip it literally every time I play the CD
now. I don't like the Testament or Nevermore covers either, but I don't
always skip them...
>and Helloween's version of The Hellion/Electric Eye.
Nothing wrong with this one, nothing special either. Another straight ahead
cover, no personal touches to it(When you hear say, Jawbreaker, if you
didn't know otherwise, you'd think it *was* a Rage song. Same for Metal Gods
and several others)
>Something should be said of UDO's cover of Metal Gods too as that
version is really blood pumping and energizing!
Yeah, that's a good one. And it really sounds like a song you'd hear on an
UDO album.
>James
>NP: Andi Deris - Done By Mirrors
Lionheart
>James, I see you finally got a hold of The Cage
>w/ Tony Martin. Glad to see you enjoyed it. I'd
>like to pick it up myself, is it worth the
>aggravation of looking high and low for it or
>special ordering it? Thanks for your input.
Hey, Hugh. Yes, I think it is worth tracking down. It's funny because
I've heard both very hot reviews as well as lukewarm to cold reviews.
For me it took me awhile to get into the music, but once I got past the
notion that it isn't Martin w/Iommi like I was used to w/Sabbath and
started to enjoy Mollo's playing then it quickly jumped to me as a very
good CD. Tony's voice as usual is stellar and should not be missed.
James
NP: Pretty Maids - Lethal Heroes/Jump The Gun
Lionheart
>Neither are countless other bands I see
>mentioned here all the time.
The key is here in this NG. He gets a fair amount of talk in other NG's
I've been to like the DT and QR ones. The only time I've ever heard him
mentioned it seems like is if 'I' talk about him.
>A lot of other bands mentioned here regulary >don't have US releases at
all.
True, but then again tell me which other prog metal band besides Dream
Theater are talked about in this NG? For all intensive purposes this NG
deals with just about every metal genre 'but' prog metal it seems.
>Err, it gets fair amount of talk here...
That's funny, like I was just saying, I very rarely hear people talk
about prog metal in this NG other than DT.
>But a *lot* of bands are though.
Not worshipped they're not. Metal has always been more popular in
Japan, but not every band is held with as open arms as they were a few
years ago. I'm not saying they are the only ones, but they could do no
wrong a couple of years back with DC at the helm.
>How was the poll conducted?
Burrn! magazine did a poll that involved the fans somehow and DC won
vocalist of the year in 96 and 97 and Royal Hunt band of the year for
those years as well. The thing about Burrn! magazine is that it only
covers the metal bands that you, I and a lot of the non 'trendy' metal
people like and not bands that you see in US mags like Circus, Metal
Maniacs or Kerrang in the UK that feature Korn, Limp Biskit, Sevendust,
etc.. Essentially DC and RH were going up against the 'true' metal that
is out there and were the most popular and voted as best.
BTW, it's really a shame that Burnn! only comes written in Japanese,
because it truly is the best metal magazine of them all.
>You *have* heard the original version, right?
Yes, but I'm beginning to wonder if you have. :)
>Cause in it, Halford only hits the high notes at
>the very end.
Nope, what about "you're in for a Shoooock!!" at the very beginning?
King fails miserably on that one. (Unless he just didn't want to
embarrass himself) Also, "never turn your back on the Riiiipper" before
that final scream. The other thing where I think he just sounds terrible
is that he sings the entire song in an octave lower than what Rob did
and seems to stumble along. If he wanted to differentiate himself from
the original he did to an extent, but the final product isn't that good
IMO.
>Coincedentally, at the same point in the song
>where King hits them(and he *does* hit them,
>just listen to both versions back to back). There
>never *was* a lot of high notes in The Ripper.
He may have hit that last one (not nearly as good as Rob though), but it
sounded as if it was muffled or something. I just wasn't as impressed
as I could have been considering all the talk you hear about him having
a high voice and all.
There isn't as many high notes as some other songs, but it does have at
least 3 parts where it calls for a high pitched scream. With a
reputation like KD for singing high, I would have thought that he'd
improvise and add even more than what Rob did.
>Don't ask me why, but King seems to have
>wanted to do a straight out cover, and not add
>much of his usual style to it, which is exactly
>what he did. And the Iced Earth version just
>sucks. A great band manages to totally ruin a
>good song.
I think King did a couple of things different,(singing an octave lower)
but you're right you would have thought he'd do more. I think what I
like about IE's version is that it is very different and Barlow knowing
that he can't hit those highs just does the singing in his own way
adding a little twist to the song..
>Saints in Hell I can't stand. I skip it literally every
>time I play the CD now. I don't like the
>Testament or Nevermore covers either, but I
>don't always skip them...
I'm a bit biased since I'm a fan of Fates, but I tend to like their
cover even more than the original (sound wise). Stained Class has an
awful production, even though the original in it's form is wordly, I
just wish it had a better sound. I like the Testament cover quite a bit.
The speed of Rapid Fire is just awesome, but I can't stand the
Nevermore one at all. What you hear on that song is not at all what
Nevermore sounds like on their own.
>Nothing wrong with this one, nothing special
>either. Another straight ahead cover, no
>personal touches to it(When you hear say,
>Jawbreaker, if you didn't know otherwise, you'd
>think it *was* a Rage song. Same for Metal
>Gods and several others)
And especially Devin Townsend's version of Exciter which is something
you'd definitely would hear on one of his own albums or with Strapping
Young Lads. That one is probably my fave along with Saxon's.
>Yeah, that's a good one. And it really sounds
>like a song you'd hear on an UDO album.
Very cool song.
James
NP: Vanden Plas - The God Thing
Shiflet
Lionheart wrote in message
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>The key is here in this NG. He gets a fair amount of talk in other NG's
I've been to like the DT and QR ones. The only time I've ever heard him
mentioned it seems like is if 'I' talk about him.
Yeah, you're the only person I've seen mention him here...
>True, but then again tell me which other prog metal band besides Dream
Theater are talked about in this NG? For all intensive purposes this NG
deals with just about every metal genre 'but' prog metal it seems.
I've seen you and a few others discuss Vaden Plas, Quiet Room, and Fates
Warning before.
>Not worshipped they're not. Metal has always been more popular in
Japan, but not every band is held with as open arms as they were a few
years ago.
Blind Guardian is, Edguy is, several others are as well.
>How was the poll conducted?
>Burrn! magazine did a poll that involved the fans somehow
I'd still like to know more about how it worked. Even a lot of polls voted
"by the fans" aren't actually decided by the fans...
>You *have* heard the original version, right?
Yes, but I'm beginning to wonder if you have. :)
>Cause in it, Halford only hits the high notes at
>the very end.
Nope, what about "you're in for a Shoooock!!" at the very beginning?
King fails miserably on that one. (Unless he just didn't want to
embarrass himself)
Okay, two sections, forgot that one.
> Also, "never turn your back on the Riiiipper" before
that final scream.
He hits that one....
>He may have hit that last one (not nearly as good as Rob though), but it
sounded as if it was muffled or something. I just wasn't as impressed
as I could have been considering all the talk you hear about him having
a high voice and all.
Try listening to Abigail, Conspiracy, Them, or The Eye if you doubt all that
talk...
>There isn't as many high notes as some other songs, but it does have at
least 3 parts where it calls for a high pitched scream. With a
reputation like KD for singing high, I would have thought that he'd
improvise and add even more than what Rob did.
Nah, he didn't seem to be much on improvising that song...
>I think King did a couple of things different,(singing an octave lower)
but you're right you would have thought he'd do more. I think what I
like about IE's version is that it is very different and Barlow knowing
that he can't hit those highs just does the singing in his own way
adding a little twist to the song..
The music isn't as good either though, and Barlow's vocals really don't fit
the song IMO.
>I'm a bit biased since I'm a fan of Fates, but I tend to like their
cover even more than the original (sound wise). Stained Class has an
awful production, even though the original in it's form is wordly, I
just wish it had a better sound.
I consider Stained Class one of the most overrated albums around. While I'm
not a huge fan of Sad Wings, I much prefer it to SC.
> I like the Testament cover quite a bit. The speed of Rapid Fire is just
awesome,
The speed is okay, but the vocals just suck.
> but I can't stand the Nevermore one at all. What you hear on that song
is not at all what Nevermore sounds like on their own.
Yeah, I noticed it's not that similar. Of course, maybe it is, I hate that
song, and I hate Politics of Ecstacy just as much.
>And especially Devin Townsend's version of Exciter which is something
you'd definitely would hear on one of his own albums or with Strapping
Young Lads. That one is probably my fave along with Saxon's.
Heh, I didn't care for that one either, but it *does* sound more like his
style.
>James
>
>NP: Vanden Plas - The God Thing
NP:Skyclad-Various(got 6 discs in the changer and have it on random)
bugo
Shiflet wrote:
> I consider Stained Class one of the most overrated albums around. While I'm
> not a huge fan of Sad Wings, I much prefer it to SC.
Wow, I thought I was the only one. I'd have to say that SC is my least
favorite Priest album.
Johnfwolfe
>Wow, I thought I was the only one. I'd have to say that SC is my least
favorite Priest album.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
It was my favorite Priest album until it caused me to shoot myself in the head.
Boy, that smarted. After that, I had to take a Bufferin and listen to
"Painkiller". Neither one helped.
bugo
No thanks to you Johnwolfe, for making me spew my Coke all over my
monitor and getting a hernia from laughing. I demand you replace my
sticky monitor and pay my medical bills.
;)
Gordy
Nick Lindley
<20000105042722...@ng-bh1.aol.com>...
>>From: bugo bu...@hotmail.comTEXAS wrote:
>
>>Wow, I thought I was the only one. I'd have to say that SC is my least
>favorite Priest album.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>It was my favorite Priest album until it caused me to shoot myself in the
head.
> Boy, that smarted. After that, I had to take a Bufferin and listen to
>"Painkiller". Neither one helped.
Hehehe! Do it, do it, do it! ;-)
--
Nick Lindley
'Like the sky
I'm perpetual, I'll never die'
Eric
stares by a music store clerk :-) Great cd and definately one of my top 10
as well.
1. Dream Theater: Metropolis PT 2
2. DC Cooper
3. Iron Savior: Unification
4. Mollo*Martin: The Cage
5. Queensryche: Q2K (not metal by any stretch of the imagination but not bad
either)
6. Riot: Sons of Society
7. Bruce Dickinson: Scream For Me Brazil
8. Nevermore: Dreaming Neon Black
9. MSG: The Unforgiven
10. Primal Fear: Jaws of Death/Dokken: Erase The Slate
Eric
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