Nicko's Quick Foot
Chris Sumby
Liste to;-
Deja Vu
Aftermath
Wicker man
Sea Of Madness
Lonileness.......
Thes all have very quick right foot bass drumming!
Banane In den Schlafanzügen
Thank you! I'll take this as a compliment because I don't have any problems
playing these songs with single bass drum either.
Topi Ylinen
Banane In den Schlafanzügen <obso...@online.no> wrote:
>> Wicker man
>Thank you! I'll take this as a compliment because I don't have any problems
>playing these songs with single bass drum either.
Please post an mp3 demonstrating how well you manage this one with one
a single b.d. There's one fill in particular that I'm anxious to hear.
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Tore Aursand
Chris...@mayhem.ndo.co.uk says...
> Lets Fcae it Nicko is the Pele of drummers!
Well. I don't think you can judge a drummers quality by the speed of
his feet(s). What you are saying is more like a compliment to those
who created - and those who manufactures - the Ludwig Speed King bass
drum pedal.
When I was a drummer, it is some years ago, I didn't have any problem
keeping the pace with Nicko on his right foot. I did however
experience some problems with other parts in his "drumming ensemble",
like using the cymbals the "fashioned" way.
"The Wicker Man" sounds very fast - and I guess most drummers would
have preferred to use double bass drums to perform the same thing - but
it's not amazing in any way.
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Banane In den Schlafanzügen
> Please post an mp3 demonstrating how well you manage this one with one
> a single b.d. There's one fill in particular that I'm anxious to hear.
I would love to demonstrate, but unfortunatley is it technically impossible
for me to record anything at the time, it has also been a while since I've
played Maiden songs, I used to know all the fills and stuff on entire
somewhere in time but I can't remember it all now, but that doesn't mean I
can't play it, I've been playing own music and Deep Purple/Ian Paice
drumming most of the time now.
The bass drum pedal hasn't much to do with it, I've played with some of the
worst shit ever made and still could play with my regular style, but of
course it has to bounce back pretty quick, it will have to be a pretty good
pedal if you want to play Nico style perfectly.
Mattia Loy
Sumby, don't let your personal tastes cover your eyes when talking about
mere technique.
Maiden are my favourite band ever and Mc Brain is a decent drumer. As you
told, he is very fast with his right foot, but this is not enough to make
him a really good drummer and remember that there is a lot of people that do
the same thing Nico does only with one foot but with 2 feet simultaneously
(not dividing the job about the feet but making the same thing with both
legs) and at an highter speed*. He is no bad at all, something he does
something very interesting like the beginning of "where eagles dare", but
what adjective should we use for Portnoy or Carl Palmer ( is the name
right?? ) or other people light years better than Mc Brain if we agree
calling him the Pelè of drum??
Some week before, I wrote a message containing general and my opinions about
Clive Burr vs Nico Mc Brain.
A lot of people wrote very interresting things about. Search those messages
and read them, you could learn something about drums as I did.
Matt
"Chris Sumby" <Chris...@mayhem.ndo.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:38F6D5A5...@mayhem.ndo.co.uk...
> Lets Fcae it Nicko is the Pele of drummers!
Forostar
Mattia Loy <matti...@tiscalinet.it> schreef in berichtnieuws
8d92e1$dpn$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
> I agree with Banane [omissis] and Tore.
> Sumby, don't let your personal tastes cover your eyes when talking about
> mere technique.
> Maiden are my favourite band ever and Mc Brain is a decent drumer. As you
> told, he is very fast with his right foot, but this is not enough to make
> him a really good drummer and remember that there is a lot of people that
do
> the same thing Nico does only with one foot but with 2 feet simultaneously
> (not dividing the job about the feet but making the same thing with both
> legs) and at an highter speed*. He is no bad at all, something he does
> something very interesting like the beginning of "where eagles dare", but
> what adjective should we use for Portnoy or Carl Palmer ( is the name
> right?? ) or other people light years better than Mc Brain if we agree
> calling him the Pelè of drum??
>
What a nonsense, man.
According to your posts you don't know much about maiden, and I see that you
even don't know all their albums. You couldn't even discover a bass-solo on
TXF??
Nicko has not only a very quick right foot, but he has a lot more which
makes him a good drummer. He is very complete. He has one of the best ride
cymbal techniques. Listen to LAD e.g. ... and all these dudes who think they
are as good as Nicko and say that they easily can play SIT songs, make me
laugh. I don't believe it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
> Some week before, I wrote a message containing general and my opinions
about
> Clive Burr vs Nico Mc Brain.
> A lot of people wrote very interresting things about. Search those
messages
> and read them, you could learn something about drums as I did.
You don't even know how to WRITE Nicko McBrain. You spelled his first AND
his last name wrong.
Forostar
"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
- A. Smith, 1986 -
Forostar
Banane In den Schlafanzügen <obso...@online.no> schreef in berichtnieuws
rAHJ4.2712$By1....@news1.online.no...
>
>
> > Please post an mp3 demonstrating how well you manage this one with one
> > a single b.d. There's one fill in particular that I'm anxious to hear.
>
> I would love to demonstrate, but unfortunatley is it technically
impossible
> for me to record anything at the time, it has also been a while since I've
> played Maiden songs, I used to know all the fills and stuff on entire
> somewhere in time but I can't remember it all now, but that doesn't mean I
> can't play it, I've been playing own music and Deep Purple/Ian Paice
> drumming most of the time now.
>
Yeah right...
Try to learn it again, record it, and show us if you are having a big mouth
or not.
> The bass drum pedal hasn't much to do with it, I've played with some of
the
> worst shit ever made and still could play with my regular style, but of
> course it has to bounce back pretty quick, it will have to be a pretty
good
> pedal if you want to play Nico style perfectly.
>
The pedal has nothing to do with it. Your talent has.
Mattia Loy
> the
> > worst shit ever made and still could play with my regular style, but of
> > course it has to bounce back pretty quick, it will have to be a pretty
> good
> > pedal if you want to play Nico style perfectly.
> >
>
> The pedal has nothing to do with it. Your talent has.
>
> Forostar
Ah, no!!!
The *QUALITY* of the pedal has an enormous influence, because Mc Brain uses
a very expensive pedal that advantages him a lot. Obviously all that he does
can be done with a different less expensive one, but this means that the
drummer must use much more energy to play and the song becomes much more
difficult of what it really is.
Matt.
Mattia Loy
confirm what I say.
> What a nonsense, man.
>
> According to your posts you don't know much about maiden, and I see that
you
> even don't know all their albums. You couldn't even discover a bass-solo
on
> TXF??
Simply I always considered the OTGDYoung bass solo as a fast riff, because I
begin to consider a solo things at least like Helloween's Eagles Fly free
bass solo. So I'm curious to know what people exactly consider a bass solo
in TXF.
> Nicko has not only a very quick right foot, but he has a lot more which
> makes him a good drummer. He is very complete. He has one of the best ride
> cymbal techniques. Listen to LAD e.g. ... and all these dudes who think
they
> are as good as Nicko and say that they easily can play SIT songs, make me
> laugh. I don't believe it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
You are just a fanatic that can't see behind his nose. I repeat: Nicko
dosen't suck and I like him as drummer, but he is very far to be a complete
drummer and light year to be one of the most rinomate ones. His ride cymbal
technique is pathetic near the technique of other drummers. If you tell me
that Maiden's music is the best, I totally agree. If you tell that they are
the best players ever, I just say that I cannot tollerate ths blind
idolatration.
> > Some week before, I wrote a message containing general and my opinions
> about
> > Clive Burr vs Nico Mc Brain.
> > A lot of people wrote very interresting things about. Search those
> messages
> > and read them, you could learn something about drums as I did.
> You don't even know how to WRITE Nicko McBrain. You spelled his first AND
> his last name wrong.
>
> Forostar
If you call a rose "shit" it always have a great fragrance.
I just forgot to write a "K", but this only demonstrates that you have no
real arguments to defend your ideas that you are forced to find those
pathetic excuses to do that. And forget me again if I do some error like
this writing in a language that is not my native one.
UP THE IRONS!
Matt
U2shark
Mattia Loy wrote in message <8d9qun$moi$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>...
>Everything I wrote has a meaning and evry sane person of this world can
>confirm what I say.
>
>> What a nonsense, man.
>>
>> According to your posts you don't know much about maiden, and I see that
>you
>> even don't know all their albums. You couldn't even discover a bass-solo
>on
>> TXF??
>
>Simply I always considered the OTGDYoung bass solo as a fast riff, because
I
>begin to consider a solo things at least like Helloween's Eagles Fly free
>bass solo. So I'm curious to know what people exactly consider a bass solo
>in TXF.
>
Um. There is a bass solo at the begining of Blood on the World's hands.
And it's not just on my X-Factor either. You can hear H play it on the BOTWH
b-side of the TAATG pic disc.
Jason
Chi.
"Mattia Loy" <matti...@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
news:8d9qun$moi$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
> Simply I always considered the OTGDYoung bass solo as a fast riff, because
I
> begin to consider a solo things at least like Helloween's Eagles Fly free
> bass solo. So I'm curious to know what people exactly consider a bass solo
> in TXF.
Simple... the intro to "Blood on the World's Hands"... (and I can't say
I've really listened to any of the Blaze era very much...)
Just to give an indication of what I think a bass solo is... hmmm... well
can't think of many at the moment, but the start of Black Sabbath's N.I.B.
springs to mind...
> You are just a fanatic that can't see behind his nose. I repeat: Nicko
> dosen't suck and I like him as drummer, but he is very far to be a
complete
> drummer and light year to be one of the most rinomate ones. His ride
cymbal
> technique is pathetic near the technique of other drummers. If you tell me
> that Maiden's music is the best, I totally agree. If you tell that they
are
> the best players ever, I just say that I cannot tollerate ths blind
> idolatration.
I can't comment on Nicko... I'm not a drummer. However, I do personally
think that Steve Harris is the best Bassist I've heard... Is this blind
idolation, or perhaps simply a personal opinion... it really depends how you
define the term "best player"...
Regards,
Chris.
Forostar
> Everything I wrote has a meaning and evry sane person of this world can
> confirm what I say.
>
> > What a nonsense, man.
> >
> > According to your posts you don't know much about maiden, and I see that
> you
> > even don't know all their albums. You couldn't even discover a bass-solo
> on
> > TXF??
>
I
> begin to consider a solo things at least like Helloween's Eagles Fly free
> bass solo. So I'm curious to know what people exactly consider a bass solo
> in TXF.
As you have already seen: Blood on the world's hands. Do you know that song?
>
> > Nicko has not only a very quick right foot, but he has a lot more which
> > makes him a good drummer. He is very complete. He has one of the best
ride
> > cymbal techniques. Listen to LAD e.g. ... and all these dudes who think
> they
> > are as good as Nicko and say that they easily can play SIT songs, make
me
> > laugh. I don't believe it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
>
> You are just a fanatic that can't see behind his nose.
Nope. I admire Nicko since he is an amazing drummer. I am a drummer myself
as well, and I have listened to quite a few drummers. He has a great feeling
for rhythms.
>I repeat: Nicko
> dosen't suck and I like him as drummer, but he is very far to be a
complete
> drummer and light year to be one of the most rinomate ones.
What the heck is rinomate?
Please explain.
>His ride cymbal
> technique is pathetic near the technique of other drummers.
Why?
Come with arguments.
>If you tell me
> that Maiden's music is the best, I totally agree. If you tell that they
are
> the best players ever, I just say that I cannot tollerate ths blind
> idolatration.
>
Idolatration? You have your own version of English.
> > > Some week before, I wrote a message containing general and my opinions
> > about
> > > Clive Burr vs Nico Mc Brain.
> > > A lot of people wrote very interresting things about. Search those
> > messages
> > > and read them, you could learn something about drums as I did.
>
> > You don't even know how to WRITE Nicko McBrain. You spelled his first
AND
> > his last name wrong.
> >
> > Forostar
>
> If you call a rose "shit" it always have a great fragrance.
> I just forgot to write a "K",
You also spelled his last name wrong. It's McBrain, not Mc Brain.
>but this only demonstrates that you have no
> real arguments to defend your ideas that you are forced to find those
> pathetic excuses to do that.
Where are your arguments?
>And forget me again if I do some error like
> this writing in a language that is not my native one.
Yeah I have already seen that. My english might not be perfect, but yours is
pathetic.
>
> UP THE IRONS!
>
> Matt
UP YOURS!
To finish this useless debate, I can only say this:
I just don't like it when people pull down Nicko, since I think he is very
good. But okay, people have different opinions. Actually, YOU can't point
out why he is very far from being a complete drummer. Keep on thinking he is
a moderate drummer, if you like, but I think you stand alone.
analogkid2112
To finish this useless debate, I can only say this:
>I just don't like it when people pull down Nicko, since I think
>he is very good. But okay, people have different opinions.
>Actually, YOU can't point out why he is very far from being a
>complete drummer. Keep on thinking he is a moderate drummer, if
>you like, but I think you stand alone.
>
>Forostar
Mattia Loy's posts are always very amusing to me because he
seems to be very narrow-minded when it comes to musicianship and
is pretty hung up on who's better than whom.
I don't think Mattia Loy is a drummer but has friends who are
(who can play Portnoy. We know that). For starters, I think
that a drummer's opinion regarding drums and drumming, has more
weight than someone who isn't.
To compare Nicko with Portnoy or Carl Palmer is really futile
because the focus of all of those bands is different. Maiden's
music doesn't really lend itself to herculean, technique-laden,
way too long instrumental solos by all the members of the band,
so based on that, you can't really determine who's better than
whom if you're into that type of thing. We've never heard Nicko
play Dream Theater-like music, so no one really knows if he can
play like that (although I would bet on him being able to with
flying colors). Just because Steve doesn't play "solos" (by
your definition), doesn't mean that he's no good. Again,
Maiden's music doesn't lend itself to solos by the rhythm
section. Maiden's songs don't lend themselves to displays of
virtuosity by the guitar players. What's called for in Maiden's
music is adding to the feel of a song, and not to prove that
they can play Paganini's capricci or something.
I agree with Forostar that, at least here, you pretty much stand
pretty close to alone in thinking that Nicko is an average
drummer, well, and also your Portnoy-worshipping friends. I
think most of us who play an instrument here are pretty much
past the stage of thinking that speed and technique are all that
matters. I know I was very much into that in my late teens.
Portnoy is a great player, so is Malmsteen and all the people
you mention. Are they technically proficient? Of course.
Based on that, are they "better" than other musicians who do not
play the same type of music and who do not play in the same
style? Absolutely not. Opinions are good, and they should be
used collectively to enhance individual awareness.
Maybe you already have, but can you share with us the parameters
you have for deciding who's better than who? These are some of
the things I can gather:
- A player must be very fast (I remember you mentioning
something about a guitar player being able to play 20 notes per
second or something).
- A player must have an advanced instructional video where
he/she teaches to be REALLY fast and accurate.
- A player must be able to play unaccompanied solos (very fast),
not just in concerts, but in the middle of songs as well.
- Portnoy is the measuring stick for everything from playing, to
having an e-mail address.
I think I've covered what was in my mind right now.
analogkid2112
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I think I saw light at the end of the tunnel. Or maybe it was
just the Electric Light Orchestra leading me to hell?
Sani
Mattia Loy
> think that Steve Harris is the best Bassist I've heard... Is this blind
> idolation, or perhaps simply a personal opinion... it really depends how
you
> define the term "best player"...
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris.
Really, when a person reaches a certian technique level, the only way to say
if he is better than other is fantasy. It is difficut, for examplt to say if
Romeo is better than Petrucci or Steve Vai... different stiles
Harris as player is not very good: he is limited by the fact that he learned
everything he knows on his own, without learning at school, but as musician
is great!
He uses all his skills as his best to do great songs, as the other Maiden
does.
He was original, he transmits his energy and feelings when he plays... if we
consider those parameters, yes: he is really great. But people here
generally talk only about technique, and not music.
This is the answer to your question, do you agree?
Matt.
Nicko639
>
>
>Mattia Loy <matti...@tiscalinet.it> schreef in berichtnieuws
>8d92e1$dpn$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
>> I agree with Banane [omissis] and Tore.
>> Sumby, don't let your personal tastes cover your eyes when talking about
>> mere technique.
>> Maiden are my favourite band ever and Mc Brain is a decent drumer. As you
>> told, he is very fast with his right foot, but this is not enough to make
>> him a really good drummer and remember that there is a lot of people that
>do
>> the same thing Nico does only with one foot but with 2 feet simultaneously
>> (not dividing the job about the feet but making the same thing with both
>> legs) and at an highter speed*. He is no bad at all, something he does
>> something very interesting like the beginning of "where eagles dare", but
>> what adjective should we use for Portnoy or Carl Palmer ( is the name
>> right?? ) or other people light years better than Mc Brain if we agree
>> calling him the Pelè of drum?
Well, me persoanlly, I'm a big fan of double bass..... I have played with one
foot since I've been playing.... There's so much more you can do with one
bass drum in conjuction with the hit-hat... It's more defined and accents
music better than any double bass could... That's my opinion... Nicko is one
of my favorite drummers and he always will be... His stuff is just really fun
to play.... And I think his chemistry with the band is what they need.... I
don't think Maiden could do what they do without McBrain.... Sure, they could
get some other drummer..... But Nicko seems to have this gift for rythm...
I can learn to play all his fills and techniques.... But I could never mimic
his rythm... There's just something un-explained about it.... Listen to him
in his Pat Travers days.... Incredible...
Now: Forostar said:
>What a nonsense, man.
>
>According to your posts you don't know much about maiden, and I see that you
>even don't know all their albums. You couldn't even discover a bass-solo on
>TXF??
>
You know man, I never thought of it as a bass solo..... But I can see it
now.....
Yeah, I'd consider it a bass solo....
>Nicko has not only a very quick right foot, but he has a lot more which
>makes him a good drummer. He is very complete. He has one of the best ride
>cymbal techniques.
Right on man.... He's VERY good at accenting... That's key in Maiden's
type of music.....
>Listen to LAD e.g. ... and all these dudes who think they
>are as good as Nicko and say that they easily can play SIT songs, make me
>laugh. I don't believe it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
>
Well, I can keep up with S.I.T. to a point, put my foot just gives out after
about 5 songs... I start to crarmp up a bit.....
Caught Somewhere In Time is pretty difficult to play.... I dunno if anyone has
ever taken the time to actually listen to the whole beat.... You'll get some
people who will say " no way man.... That's double bass".... They just
don't understand......
Mattia Loy
> > > Nicko has not only a very quick right foot, but he has a lot more
which
> > > makes him a good drummer. He is very complete. He has one of the best
> ride
think
> > they
> > > are as good as Nicko and say that they easily can play SIT songs, make
> me
> > > laugh. I don't believe it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
> >
>
> Nope. I admire Nicko since he is an amazing drummer. I am a drummer myself
> as well, and I have listened to quite a few drummers. He has a great
feeling
> for rhythms.
Sure! I agree.
> >I repeat: Nicko
> > dosen't suck and I like him as drummer, but he is very far to be a
> complete
> > drummer and light year to be one of the most rinomate ones.
>
> What the heck is rinomate?
> Please explain.
Sorry, sometime I do some errors. I meaned that he is NOT one most famous
drummers at the moment, and never be.
if he is famous, he is only because he is Maiden drummers, not because he is
a talented man.
> >His ride cymbal
> > technique is pathetic near the technique of other drummers.
>
> Why?
> Come with arguments.
You have answered already to yourself. You told you know very few drummers.
Before talking, just listen to Metallica first 3 albums: theyr drummer
(forget me, I never remember the name and I don't want to move my ass from
the chair to check his name he he :-) is much more better than him. Then
look at Rhapsody to learn what speed is. Then to Simphony X to learn what
technique is, and at last, seek at Dream Theater: you'll hear technique
mixed with fantasy and taste, the 2 most important things.
> >If you tell me
> > that Maiden's music is the best, I totally agree. If you tell that they
> are
> > the best players ever, I just say that I cannot tollerate ths blind
> > idolatration.
> >
>
> Idolatration? You have your own version of English.
Sorry, I'm not from England and sometimes I don't translate correctly the
words in my mind.
But you can understeand me even if I do some error. It is very difficult for
me to tal about music, because those aren't words that I use frequently. So,
is it "Idolation"? I'll keep it in mind for the next time :-)
>
>
> > > > Some week before, I wrote a message containing general and my
opinions
> > > about
> > > > Clive Burr vs Nico Mc Brain.
> > > > A lot of people wrote very interresting things about. Search those
> > > messages
> > > > and read them, you could learn something about drums as I did.
> >
> > > You don't even know how to WRITE Nicko McBrain. You spelled his first
> AND
> > > his last name wrong.
> > >
> > > Forostar
> >
> > If you call a rose "shit" it always have a great fragrance.
> > I just forgot to write a "K",
>
> You also spelled his last name wrong. It's McBrain, not Mc Brain.
???
Listen, what should I say when I see the names of famous persons and cityes
of my land translated in a totally wrong way in other nations? The next
time, I'll call him "Di Cervello".
Do you like it?
>
>
> >but this only demonstrates that you have no
> > real arguments to defend your ideas that you are forced to find those
> > pathetic excuses to do that.
>
> Where are your arguments?
I told you to seek the old quotes and I told you to listen carefully
drummers techincally light years better than Nicko.
> >And forget me again if I do some error like
> > this writing in a language that is not my native one.
>
> Yeah I have already seen that. My english may not be perfect, but yours is
> pathetic.
Again, you try to insult me because you don't have arguments to debate.
You are blind and unpolited.
> To finish this useless debate, I can only say this:
>
> I just don't like it when people pull down Nicko, since I think he is very
> good. But okay, people have different opinions. Actually, YOU can't point
> out why he is very far from being a complete drummer. Keep on thinking he
is
> a moderate drummer, if you like, but I think you stand alone.
What do you have in your head??
It is you that are overvstimating Nicko are understimating really great bass
players (not musicians - those are tastes) as Portnoy, Palmer and many
others!
I can't? I ALREADY did it!!!
Make a musical culture before talking!!
Matt
Nicko639
>you have for deciding who's better than who? These are some of
>the things I can gather:
>
>- A player must be very fast (I remember you mentioning
>something about a guitar player being able to play 20 notes per
>second or something).
Analog, it's a shame that metal is probably the only genre this guy listens
to....
20 notes per second??? Please.......
Grow up...... What is amusing about playing 20 notes per second... The
human ear probably couldn't even distinguish that...
>
>- A player must have an advanced instructional video where
>he/she teaches to be REALLY fast and accurate.
Dave Navarro has one that teaches technique and style...... Not some wannabe
who shreds for an hours and goes thru a retard rendition of his teaching where
you really don't learn anything...
>
>- A player must be able to play unaccompanied solos (very fast),
>not just in concerts, but in the middle of songs as well.
That's pretty choincey man.... If all you get out of music is blazing
guitars, that's all good... But it limits you...
>
>- Portnoy is the measuring stick for everything from playing, to
>having an e-mail address.
Dude, I could ask 20 PROFESSIONAL drumers if they ever herad of Portney and
they'd say no.... There's more to drummer than what this guy does.... Yeah,
he's good and fun to listen to for a while....
But it's all been done....
>
>I think I've covered what was in my mind right now.
>
>analogkid2112
>
>
>
Nicko639
>The *QUALITY* of the pedal has an enormous influence, because Mc Brain uses
>a very expensive pedal that advantages him a lot. Obviously all that he does
>can be done with a different less expensive one, but this means that the
>difficult of what it really is.
>
>Matt.
Matt, he's been using the SAME Ludwig Speedking for 25 years (before his
Maiden days)... Those are pretty inexepensive pedals compared to a DW Turbo
5000 or something.... I think I can find one for about 50 or 60 dollars...
A DW is around 150 usually.... His foot is solid all the time on every hit
he does with the bass drum.... No matter how fast he's playing....
Chi.
best musician:
> Really, when a person reaches a certian technique level, the only way to
say
> if he is better than other is fantasy. It is difficut, for examplt to say
if
> Romeo is better than Petrucci or Steve Vai... different stiles
> Harris as player is not very good: he is limited by the fact that he
learned
> everything he knows on his own, without learning at school, but as
musician
> is great!
> He uses all his skills as his best to do great songs, as the other Maiden
> does.
> He was original, he transmits his energy and feelings when he plays... if
we
> consider those parameters, yes: he is really great. But people here
> generally talk only about technique, and not music.
> This is the answer to your question, do you agree?
Well perhaps if you judge a player on their technical merit alone then you
are right - although having said that, you mention that Harris isn't a very
good bass player... I personally disagree with that comment, but that is my
opinion (and I freely admit to being a poorly skilled bass player and the
closest I get to being able to play maiden songs is The Ides Of March... :-)
and everyone is entitled to hold their own on a matter - however out of
curiosity, who do you think is a good bass player? I'm simply interested.
I do think there is more to music than simple technical prowess... should
this technical prowess be the only criteria when trying to work out who the
best player is, when good music in my mind is a combination of not only
technical prowess, but also energy, inspiration and maybe even luck...
Maybe I'm completely missing the distinction between a good musician and a
good player. Oh well, I'll sit here happy in my ignorance and enjoy music
for what it is... and not attempt to critique where I am not qualified to do
so :-)
Regards,
Chris.
Forostar
analogkid2112 <analogkid2...@hotmail.com.invalid> schreef in
berichtnieuws 0a9d32b0...@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com...
> Forostar said:
>
> To finish this useless debate, I can only say this:
>
> >I just don't like it when people pull down Nicko, since I think
> >he is very good. But okay, people have different opinions.
> >Actually, YOU can't point out why he is very far from being a
> >complete drummer. Keep on thinking he is a moderate drummer, if
> >you like, but I think you stand alone.
> >
> you have for deciding who's better than who? These are some of
> the things I can gather:
>
> - A player must be very fast (I remember you mentioning
> something about a guitar player being able to play 20 notes per
> second or something).
>
> he/she teaches to be REALLY fast and accurate.
>
> not just in concerts, but in the middle of songs as well.
>
> having an e-mail address.
>
>
> analogkid2112
>
I must say this is one of the best posts I've ever read in this newsgroup
for a long time.....
I totally agree and couldn't say this better.
Forostar
Sorry, I meant I have listened to a few drummers, which actually means that
I have heard a lot of drummers. It's a kind of understatement. And the
drumming of Ulrich isn't as good as Nicko's drumming, believe me...
especially live on stage.
> > >If you tell me
> > > that Maiden's music is the best, I totally agree. If you tell that
they
> > are
> > > the best players ever, I just say that I cannot tollerate ths blind
> > > idolatration.
> > >
> >
> > Idolatration? You have your own version of English.
>
> Sorry, I'm not from England and sometimes I don't translate correctly the
> words in my mind.
> But you can understeand me even if I do some error. It is very difficult
for
> me to tal about music, because those aren't words that I use frequently.
So,
> is it "Idolation"? I'll keep it in mind for the next time :-)
I think so.. I am not English myself.
> > To finish this useless debate, I can only say this:
> >
> > I just don't like it when people pull down Nicko, since I think he is
very
> > good. But okay, people have different opinions. Actually, YOU can't
point
> > out why he is very far from being a complete drummer. Keep on thinking
he
> is
> > a moderate drummer, if you like, but I think you stand alone.
>
> What do you have in your head??
> It is you that are overvstimating Nicko are understimating really great
bass
> players (not musicians - those are tastes) as Portnoy, Palmer and many
> others!
> I can't? I ALREADY did it!!!
> Make a musical culture before talking!!
>
> Matt
Put your Dream Theater cd's in your ass and leave us alone with your
DT-preaching, please.
We don't need it, thank you.
Say.. who is Palmer?
;-)
Forostar
Nicko639 <nick...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
20000415140956...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
> I'm gonna comment on two posts here....
>
> >
> >
> >> I agree with Banane [omissis] and Tore.
> >> Sumby, don't let your personal tastes cover your eyes when talking
about
> >> mere technique.
> >> Maiden are my favourite band ever and Mc Brain is a decent drumer. As
you
> >> told, he is very fast with his right foot, but this is not enough to
make
> >> him a really good drummer and remember that there is a lot of people
that
> >do
> >> the same thing Nico does only with one foot but with 2 feet
simultaneously
> >> (not dividing the job about the feet but making the same thing with
both
> >> legs) and at an highter speed*. He is no bad at all, something he does
> >> something very interesting like the beginning of "where eagles dare",
but
> >> what adjective should we use for Portnoy or Carl Palmer ( is the name
> >> right?? ) or other people light years better than Mc Brain if we agree
>
> Well, me persoanlly, I'm a big fan of double bass..... I have played
with one
> foot since I've been playing.... There's so much more you can do with
one
> bass drum in conjuction with the hit-hat... It's more defined and
accents
> music better than any double bass could... That's my opinion... Nicko
is one
> of my favorite drummers and he always will be... His stuff is just
really fun
> to play.... And I think his chemistry with the band is what they
need.... I
> don't think Maiden could do what they do without McBrain.... Sure, they
could
> get some other drummer..... But Nicko seems to have this gift for
rythm...
> I can learn to play all his fills and techniques.... But I could never
mimic
> his rythm... There's just something un-explained about it.... Listen
to him
> in his Pat Travers days.... Incredible...
I think no one could play that well with Steve Harris as Nicko McBrain. For
me, they are the best rhythm section ever.
I have these Travers LP's also.... Great stuff :-)
greetings
Sani
<Chris...@mayhem.ndo.co.uk> wrote:
>Lets Fcae it Nicko is the Pele of drummers!
>Liste to;-
>Deja Vu
>Aftermath
>Wicker man
>Sea Of Madness
>Lonileness.......
>Thes all have very quick right foot bass drumming!
>
>
>
>
Is he's Pele, then the guy in Hate Eternal death metal band is
the Mighty Mouse of drummers.
Sani
Banane In den Schlafanzügen
> Yeah right...
> Try to learn it again, record it, and show us if you are having a big
mouth
> or not.
Ask any drummer that has played a while about the style and pedal and you
will get the same answers: It's really no big deal! Money can't buy you a
talent, or love. You have to work really hard if you are going to get
somewhere with whatever.. Ask anyone. I happen to be a very hard workin'
drummer, as I'm sure thousands of others are.
> The pedal has nothing to do with it. Your talent has.
That was sort of what I said, but you can't have the oldest and worst crap
out there either, or you won't get the right bounce. If I go back in my
drumming history, I remember I could play perfect bass drumming on Caught
Somewhere In Time after 3 years of drumming. I wouldn't call what I was then
talented, just very fast. Talent is, on the other hand, when you have your
own style and fills and can play.. you know, whatever. My cousin, learned
everything on Rush's YYZ, didn't have one single fault, but I would not say
he's as good as Neil Peart. Nico has talent, but he doesn't show it in
Maiden at all, except on Where Eagles Dare and Powerslave a little. Most
drummers don't show talent at all when playing with the bands, like in late
80's Whitesnake and Eric Carr and people like that. There are just a few
bands in the world where the drummers get to do their stuff, and that is in
Deep Purple and Rush.
So don't come here insulting us with saying that we can't play Maiden songs
and other fairly easy stuff, but if you were asking us to play everything
Nicko and the boys can play outside the band you would put most drummers in
difficult positions.
A few things that need to be said:
Lars Ulrich is only said to be good because of his incredible drum sound,
and not his non-existing talent.
Rhapsody are using midi drums.
Sani
<matti...@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
>> I can't comment on Nicko... I'm not a drummer. However, I do
>>personally think that Steve Harris is the best Bassist I've
>>heard... Is this blind idolation, or perhaps simply a personal
>>opinion... it really depends how you define the term "best
>>player"...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chris.
>
>only way to say if he is better than other is fantasy. It is
>difficut, for examplt to say if Romeo is better than Petrucci or
>Steve Vai...
Romeo must be the Shakespeare of guitar. Say, have you ever heard
of Mungo Jerry. Now there's a guy who can blow jugs.
analogkid2112
It seems that there's only one angry person here and that is
you. I don't think anyone here (at least not me), is saying
that Harris or McBrain or anyone are "The Best", or better than
your beloved small group of prog-rockers when it comes to their
instruments. I have always agreed with you that all those
players you mention are really technically proficient. What I
don't necesarily agree with is when you affirm that they're
better players than the Maiden musicians. Are they more
technically proficient? Maybe, based on the recordings we have
available. Have you ever heard Maiden play prog rock? No, you
haven't. Therefore, can you positively affirm with all your
heart that Portnoy is better than McBrain? No you can't (please
read this carefully, OK?).
>The stave and the tabs cant' lie.
No they don't, and your point? That Portnoy and Malmsteen play
faster and more complicated than McBrain and Murray in the music
they make? No one is contesting that.
>Some years ago, I was like you all. I didn't know Dream
>Theater or Malmsteen
Some years ago, probably long before you even knew about this
music, I was already playing in a band and enjoying playing and
listening to all sorts of stuff. Actually I started listening
to Malmsteen at the same time I started listening to Maiden.
What does that have to do with anything? Mattia Loy, please
concentrate on being focused and on-topic.
>I can't affirm that Harris is more talented than Myung as
>player, because this means to lie to myself and to the others.
Talent is different than technical proficiency. You sound very
confused. Figure out what you are searching for, then attempt
to make a discussion. What's it going to be? Talent or
technique?
>Anyway, technique is not all, and that's why I love B.B.King,
>Andy Summer, the Beatles, the Shadows, and a lot of other
OK, good for you. (???)
>But you told some big lies to.
I did?
>Ah, I would be narrow-minded?
>I think that people like the ones that say "ah, Nicko is the
>best"
Again, I don't recall reading that, and I myself have not said
that. (lies??)
>There is no best player, but there are some people that can be
>called "legends"
A little contradiction here perhaps?
>Maiden are "legends" 'cause they did great music, not because
>they are great players.
So what you're saying is that Maiden are not great players?
>Infact, those aren't only my opinions, since I always ask my
>drummer before writing in this newsgroup.
You probably should formulate your own opinions and not depend
on others for them.
>And I trust more the opinion of a person that plays from 10
>years, at least 8 hours at day,
That's good. No one is asking you... I'm definitely NOT asking
you to subscribe to my opinion in any way, shape or form, but...
Yikes!
>and that lives in a very stimulating environment, than yours.
You're running your mouth and embarrasing yourself now. You're
a very proud and spunky little fella, aren't you?
>I simply judje about personal experiences and about what I see.
So you're a judge now...
>Rememeber that only great players like Satriani or Queens' lead
>guitar can choose to do "easy" stuff because they are at a so
>high level that they have to chance to choose what kind of
>music they wanna play. The result are great songs where you can
>see only a little of theyr ability, nothing to do with Maiden
>that already gives theyr best.
That is a very self-indungent, ridiculous and ignorant
statement. Just re-read it and think about it.
>Maiden will never be able to play much more difficult stuff:
>the proof are all the mistakes they does in concerts, playing
>THEYR own songs. They are marked by the training they did
>without an instruction from a school.
See my comment above.
>I think not, because if all the people would be as you say, we
>wouldn't have this kind of stupid discussions and we all would
>be talking about more interesting things.
I think you have NO idea of what I say, or what others have
tried to share with you. You seem to be too concerned about
waht your next reply is going to be, instead of reading other's
opinions and actually consider them.
>No. If a player is very fast, it is just one more note of
>merit, but see what he does, first.
>I'll use Hemmet as example: sometimes he goes faster than
>Malmsteen, but playing real SHIT.
I'm only including this because I'll give you the benefit of a
doubt that this is your own actual opinion, however it sounds
like regurgitation from something someone else has said
(Malmsteen himself?)
>>- A player must have an advanced instructional video where
>>he/she teaches to be REALLY fast and accurate.
>No, absolutly false. I NEVER told that.
I also never said that you told that. That is an opinion I
formulated from past posts of yours (I thought I clarified that).
>Read again my past quotes. If you say this, you are or a stupid
>or a liar.
????????????????? OK buddy, whatever you say! : )
To make you happy (and stop you from embarrasing yourself any
further) I will now proclaim to the newsgroup that Mattia Loy
has won!
- The musicians in Iron Maiden are either (I was never clear on
which one) not great, or not good.
- We all agree that Portnoy, Malmsteen, Vai, and all those
shredders are better than the musicians in Maiden.
- (For purposes of this particular discussion) analogkid2112,
1) is "a stupid or a liar" and 2) lives in a very un-stimulating
environment (whatever that means!)
- Mattia Loy KNOWS when other musicians that I doubt he even
knows or has seen live, are playing at the best of their
ability, and what is ease for them to play (that's Brian May by
the way!)
Seriously, when you started this "discussion" a few weeks ago, I
was actually very excited to be a part of it because it's very
interesting and we could all have benefitted form mutual
feedback and such; instead, you seem to have put yourself in the
defensive and turned it into a pissing contest which is a
shame. You're passionate but you do not persuade.
Maybe you should e-mail Portnoy and ask him what he thinks!
Goodbye.
analogkid2112
Forostar
What???? Are you kidding? Where did you get that from... now I really don't
like this band anymore... what a fake band.
Mattia Loy
Now read, and read carefully because I'm bored to write everytime the same
things. If you play Maiden songs and you really belive they are the best
players, that's probably because you never tryed something different. Simply
try to play and listen to other groups. The stave and the tabs cant' lie.
Songs like Hallowed by thy Name are masterpices, and this is a fact, and, if
Maiden wouldn't be good musicians as they are, we wouldn't be all joined
here waiting for NBW. Some years ago, I was like you all. I didn't know
Dream Theater or Malmsteen and I got VERY angry when people told me that
Maiden weren't as good as I thought, but with the time, listening and
expecially playing new songs from different artists, I realized what Maiden
really are: a great band, with talented musicians, that did and still does
(I hope) so great music that it will never leave from my life. But seeing
the evidence, I can't affirm that Harris is more talented than Myung as
player, because this means to lie to myself and to the others. I can say
instead that he is really a great musician that makes great music and
because he uses all his skills , both as writer and as player, doing that.
More, telling that Harris is a great player AS WELL as Myung sounds like an
insult to my ears. This is not fair, because Myung spent almost all his life
playing, studying, praticing and sacrificing himself to reach a so high
level. Anyway, technique is not all, and that's why I love B.B.King, Andy
Summer, the Beatles, the Shadows, and a lot of other persons and groups,
including Iron Maiden, that dosen't reach (someone more and someone less)
the top of the technique, but are better - for example - than a Malmsteen
that recently can't do better than playing faster and faster.
Matt.
Now, here the answers to your last message, dear friend.
Sometimes you told right things.
But you told some big lies to.
> >Forostar
>
> Mattia Loy's posts are always very amusing to me because he
> seems to be very narrow-minded when it comes to musicianship and
> is pretty hung up on who's better than whom.
Ah, I would be narrow-minded?
I think that people like the ones that say "ah, Nicko is the best" or "no
tab can contains all the notes Harris does with is bass because he is too
fast" are really narrow-minded. There is no best player, but there are some
people that can be called "legends" for the innovations they did or the
perfect technique they have or had. Maiden are "legends" 'cause they did
great music, not because they are great players.
> I don't think Mattia Loy is a drummer but has friends who are
> (who can play Portnoy. We know that). For starters, I think
> that a drummer's opinion regarding drums and drumming, has more
> weight than someone who isn't.
I always told that.
Infact, those aren't only my opinions, since I always ask my drummer before
writing in this newsgroup.
And I trust more the opinion of a person that plays from 10 years, at least
8 hours at day, and that lives in a very stimulating environment, than
yours.
> To compare Nicko with Portnoy or Carl Palmer is really futile
> because the focus of all of those bands is different.
Right...
> Maiden's
> music doesn't really lend itself to herculean, technique-laden,
> way too long instrumental solos by all the members of the band,
> so based on that, you can't really determine who's better than
> whom if you're into that type of thing. We've never heard Nicko
> play Dream Theater-like music, so no one really knows if he can
> play like that (although I would bet on him being able to with
> flying colors). Just because Steve doesn't play "solos" (by
> your definition), doesn't mean that he's no good. Again,
> Maiden's music doesn't lend itself to solos by the rhythm
> section. Maiden's songs don't lend themselves to displays of
> virtuosity by the guitar players. What's called for in Maiden's
> music is adding to the feel of a song, and not to prove that
> they can play Paganini's capricci or something.
I agree, exept for a thing: I always told that Iron Maiden are great
musicians but not so good as players, and they must be considered like sons
of theyr generation.
I simply judje about personal experiences and about what I see.
Rememeber that only great players like Satriani or Queens' lead guitar can
choose to do "easy" stuff because they are at a so high level that they have
to chance to choose what kind of music they wanna play. The result are great
songs where you can see only a little of theyr ability, nothing to do with
Maiden that already gives theyr best.
Maiden will never be able to play much more difficult stuff: the proof are
all the mistakes they does in concerts, playing THEYR own songs. They are
marked by the training they did without an instruction from a school.
> I agree with Forostar that, at least here, you pretty much stand
> pretty close to alone in thinking that Nicko is an average
> drummer, well, and also your Portnoy-worshipping friends. I
> think most of us who play an instrument here are pretty much
> past the stage of thinking that speed and technique are all that
> matters. I know I was very much into that in my late teens.
I think not, because if all the people would be as you say, we wouldn't have
this kind of stupid discussions and we all would be talking about more
interesting things.
> Portnoy is a great player, so is Malmsteen and all the people
> you mention. Are they technically proficient? Of course.
> Based on that, are they "better" than other musicians who do not
> play the same type of music and who do not play in the same
> style? Absolutely not. Opinions are good, and they should be
> used collectively to enhance individual awareness.
Right....
> Maybe you already have, but can you share with us the parameters
> you have for deciding who's better than who? These are some of
> the things I can gather:
>
> - A player must be very fast (I remember you mentioning
> something about a guitar player being able to play 20 notes per
> second or something).
No. If a player is very fast, it is just one more note of merit, but see
what he does, first.
I'll use Hemmet as example: sometimes he goes faster than Malmsteen, but
playing real SHIT.
> - A player must have an advanced instructional video where
> he/she teaches to be REALLY fast and accurate.
No, absolutly false. I NEVER told that.
Read again my past quotes. If you say this, you are or a stupid or a liar.
An educational video must have 2 meanings:
1) help people to better play his instrument in a better way
2) better learn how the style and the techniques of the person that did it.
> - A player must be able to play unaccompanied solos (very fast),
> not just in concerts, but in the middle of songs as well.
Interestig... but I never wrote anything like that.
I like solos, but this is a personal taste: there are a lot of metal bands
that never does solos but are simply great.
And if you try to do a solo, do it as it must be done, or a slow and melodic
one or a fast more incisive one.
> - Portnoy is the measuring stick for everything from playing, to
> having an e-mail address.
No, he is my favourite drummer, since he has great fantasy and good taste.
This is why I often use him as example.
The e-mail matter is only related to his great personality, nothing to do
with his playing skills.
> I think I've covered what was in my mind right now.
Only in your mind, infact.
> analogkid2112
Peter Gregorc
Forostar wrote in message <38f8f16d$0$21...@reader1.casema.net>...
drummer on the stage...
Hail & Kill!
Peter Gregorc, IRC Mungo
www.kom.org
"What will be the next big thing? We don't give a fuck!
Metal's not a fashion, metal's not a joke!" (Drakkar, Raising the banners)
Nausea
Chi. <chri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8daevc$ks1$1...@news.ox.ac.uk...
> Mattia Loy imparted his personal comments on the enigma of what defines
the
Apparantly Mattia is a demigod of music and opinions.
Don't screw with him, he'll baffle you with his stupidy and leave you
confused and disoriented.
> Maybe I'm completely missing the distinction between a good musician and a
> good player. Oh well, I'll sit here happy in my ignorance and enjoy music
> for what it is... and not attempt to critique where I am not qualified to
do
> so :-)
Well said...although Mattia will have an opinion on this too.
He has certainly taken over from Johnfwolfe as the Rim Job
of this newsgroup...but having said that, I must confess that
Johnwolf always conducts himself with the highest level of
decorum and humour...and always defends himself well.
Not that I'm any judge, but his posts are always interesting.
Mattia however, is a lot less entertaining. And alot more
annoying. Mainly because he does not have a clue.
Nausea who is known as Nausea
Nausea
Forostar <foro...@casema.net> wrote \
>
> What the heck is rinomate?
> Please explain.
A large horned herbivore's best friend.
> Idolatration? You have your own version of English.
Idolitration: legislation passed by the Italian government that
allows fools like Mattia to make up words that look as though
they might be actual English ones, and serve only to confuse us
into thinking he knows the language better than we do.
>
Nausea
Nausea
Mattia Loy <matti...@tiscalinet.it> wrote
>Some years ago, I was like you all. I didn't know
> Dream Theater or Malmsteen
GeeWizz, you are great. You were like us?
What a sad story. To be like us? :(
But then you saw the light, and are now so much better than
we can ever hope to be. I wish I was you.
I was listening to Malmsteen when he was in Steeler. I
hated him then, and I hate him now. I've been into Dream
Theater since Dream and Day. I still think Maiden are the
best band on the planet. You were once like us? Thank
Satan you are no longer. Because to be anything like you fills me
with the urge to defecate.
Nausea
Eldacar
Peter Gregorc wrote:
> Forostar wrote in message <38f8f16d$0$21...@reader1.casema.net>...
> >> Rhapsody are using midi drums.
> >
> >
> >What???? Are you kidding? Where did you get that from... now I really don't
> >like this band anymore... what a fake band.
> >
> >Forostar
> >
> >"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
> >- A. Smith, 1986 -
> >
> >
> Ever seen them in concert? I haven't, but people say they never saw a
> drummer on the stage...
>
>
Well, there sure was a drummer when I saw them, and I'm positive that he was
drumming too..
/Eldacar
Laurent
For live performance, they have use a drummer, but not Daniel Carbonara!
They use a new drummer!!
Mattia Loy
Nausea, do you really hate me, eh?
You can't tollerate that I have different ideas, expecially against you.
So you start to insult me.
Let the other to judje if I'm worthy of a discussion or if I'm an idiot.
I was sure that I obtained a similar reaction since I'm writing things
against Maiden playing techniques in a newsgroup dedicated to them. I think
that a lot of more ojective people would be with me if I would write such
things in another newsgroup. But since I love maiden, and I find the
discussions in this newsgroup very interesting, exept when some fanatic says
that Maidens have a so great technique that they can be considered among the
best players at the moment. This is not true and I demonstrated it with
logical arguments, withput considering that they are the first to say that.
Of course I have an opionion on everything, I'm not a vegetable that never
thinks. But sometime I agree or disagree with people. Another thing, I
generally am more polited than you and I have the courage to defend my
opinions and I don't hide myself against a nick.
Matt.
Mattia Loy
> >Some years ago, I was like you all. I didn't know
> > Dream Theater or Malmsteen
>
> What a sad story. To be like us? :(
> But then you saw the light, and are now so much better than
> we can ever hope to be. I wish I was you.
>
> I was listening to Malmsteen when he was in Steeler. I
> hated him then, and I hate him now. I've been into Dream
> Theater since Dream and Day. I still think Maiden are the
> best band on the planet. You were once like us? Thank
> Satan you are no longer. Because to be anything like you fills me
> with the urge to defecate.
>
> Nausea
You sick me, but at least this time, I agree and I always agreed about that.
Maiden ARE the best band on the planet, BUT THIS NEVER WAS THE MATTER OF MY
DISCUSSIONS!!! The matter was only about technique for the reasons I already
told and that I don't want to write again.
Pease, the next time, if you'll answer again to me, or you'll be more
polited or write nothing.
Matt.
>
Mattia Loy
From this moment, I'll check very word I'll write in the dictionary.
Here are the logic argumentations by Nausea to answer my messages.
Good! Now the thing really grows boring. This newsgroup is not a private
discussion between us, so stop writing such things if you have nothing
better to do.
Matt
"Nausea" <nau...@alphalink.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Mattia Loy
Just to be sure, do you mean that they use a pre-recorded drum? If I'm
wrong, can you explain it better?
This is very interesting. I always thought that Rhapsody drummer was really
great!
Matt
"Laurent" <me...@king.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Chris Sumby
Group War 2
Forostar
Peter Gregorc <Mu...@KoM.org> schreef in berichtnieuws
8db4vg$fhm$1...@planja.arnes.si...
>
> Forostar wrote in message <38f8f16d$0$21...@reader1.casema.net>...
> >> Rhapsody are using midi drums.
> >
> >
> >What???? Are you kidding? Where did you get that from... now I really
don't
> >like this band anymore... what a fake band.
> >
> >Forostar
> >
> >"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
> >- A. Smith, 1986 -
> >
> >
> Ever seen them in concert? I haven't, but people say they never saw a
> drummer on the stage...
>
Uhmm, I thought they never performed yet, because the songs were to
difficult to play on stage.... I guess that's only the drummer then.. what a
losers. But I saw some dates in a magazine, so I guess they are touring...
without a drummer???
Forostar
"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
- A. Smith, 1986 -
Todd Hodgson
Mattia Loy (matti...@tiscalinet.it) wrote:
> expecially playing new songs from different artists, I realized what Maiden
> really are: a great band, with talented musicians, that did and still does
> (I hope) so great music that it will never leave from my life. But seeing
> the evidence, I can't affirm that Harris is more talented than Myung as
> player, because this means to lie to myself and to the others. I can say
> instead that he is really a great musician that makes great music and
> because he uses all his skills , both as writer and as player, doing that.
> More, telling that Harris is a great player AS WELL as Myung sounds like an
> insult to my ears. This is not fair, because Myung spent almost all his life
> playing, studying, praticing and sacrificing himself to reach a so high
> level.
Harris was out playing in bands and writing songs while Myung was still a
little kid. You can't say Harris hasn't paid his dues. The guys in Maiden
were poor kids from the streets of London. Unfortunately they didn't have
rich parents who could send them to Berklee. I love Dream Theater and I
know they are technically more proficient than Maiden, but I think that is
minor compared to the vast influence Maiden has had on the music world.
By the way, Myung cites Harris as one of his main influences. Without
Maiden, there's a good chance Dream Theater would not exist as we know them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Todd Hodgson
Carleton University
Biochemistry
Email address: thod...@chat.carleton.ca
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Forostar
Todd Hodgson <thod...@chat.carleton.ca> schreef in berichtnieuws
8dckeb$6vi$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
I've read that Petrucci is a big fan of maiden.. He loves Piece of Mind, and
learned all the solo's from that the album.
Forostar
"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
- A. Smith, 1986 -
>
>
>
Laurent
drum programming !!! What a looser:!!!
It's easy to hear difference between midi and real drumming
Rhapsody never did live concert because of that.
Now they have a nex drummer, they go live!!
Forostar
Laurent <me...@king.com> schreef in berichtnieuws 8dcp0f$979$1...@wanadoo.fr...
> They are touring with a new drummer because the old one did only midi
> drum programming !!! What a looser:!!!
Indeed.. so he was not really the drummer of the band, just a programmer.
>
> It's easy to hear difference between midi and real drumming
>
> Rhapsody never did live concert because of that.
> Now they have a nex drummer, they go live!!
Okay, I understand
Magenta Margurite
technical player of a given instrument, and frankly I don't care, this type
of thing is subjective anyway. For me it's more about the way the music
makes me feel. I have an emotional relationship with Maidens music which no
other band has ever been able to top, despite my looking for it during the
time immediately after Bruce left when everything was so uncertain, and I
got worried about how upset I was. I can't explain it, but it's there, like
it or not.
Magenta.
Mattia Loy wrote in message <8dauqf$5ii$1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>...
Tony Sz.
>Ah, no!!!
>The *QUALITY* of the pedal has an enormous influence, because Mc Brain
uses
>a very expensive pedal that advantages him a lot. Obviously all that he
does
>can be done with a different less expensive one, but this means that the
>drummer must use much more energy to play and the song becomes much more
>difficult of what it really is.
<out of the blue, delurk mode off>
Nicko uses a Ludwig Speed King bass drum pedal. It is considered a
relatively inexpensive pedal compared to a lot of other brands/models
available.
Yes, the characteristics of the pedal do attribute to return speed off the
head and general "playability", but the foot technique must also be taken
into consideration. I have played with lesser-priced pedals and have
gotten very good results. Just because a pedal might cost less money does
not mean it's junk, or that the drummer must exert more energy using it.
I've used top-of-the line pedals and felt like I had concrete on my feet
even _after_ adjusting the spring tensions!
---
Regards,
Tony
Tony Sz.
>Ask any drummer that has played a while about the style and pedal and you
>will get the same answers: It's really no big deal! Money can't buy you a
>talent, or love. You have to work really hard if you are going to get
>somewhere with whatever.. Ask anyone. I happen to be a very hard workin'
>drummer, as I'm sure thousands of others are.
Yes, ask any drummer who _has_ played a while and he/she WILL tell you it
_is_ a big deal, especially when you're doing studio work. It's safe to
say that every drummer wants a pedal with good fluid response and feel.
This, of course, comes from personal evaluation and technique because a
pedal beyond it's rudimental core will play differently for different
drummers.
>talented, just very fast. Talent is, on the other hand, when you have your
>own style and fills and can play.. you know, whatever. My cousin, learned
Talent is generally considered as having a special ability. Talent and
having one own's style are not mutually inclusive. One can be talented and
still have no sense of individual style. A style is a unique way someone
does something. You can have style but have no talent, and you can have
talent but have no style.
>everything on Rush's YYZ, didn't have one single fault, but I would not
say
>he's as good as Neil Peart. Nico has talent, but he doesn't show it in
>Maiden at all, except on Where Eagles Dare and Powerslave a little. Most
>drummers don't show talent at all when playing with the bands, like in
late
>80's Whitesnake and Eric Carr and people like that. There are just a few
>bands in the world where the drummers get to do their stuff, and that is
in
>Deep Purple and Rush.
I highly and wholeheartedly disagree. This is the common misconception
heard about drummers and if you really have the experience you're
purporting you'd know better than to say what you just said. There's much
more to drumming than to play songs like "YYZ" with the drum solo from
Exit...Stage Left. Would you care to explain how you come about your
reasoning for your above statements? I'd really like hear them.
---
Regards,
Tony
Tony Sz.
>Talent is generally considered as having a special ability. Talent and
>having one own's style are not mutually inclusive. One can be talented
and
My bad. I meant talent and having a unique style are not mutually
dependant.
---
Regards,
Tony
Aaron Burrough
<foro...@casema.net> wrote:
> Put your Dream Theater cd's in your ass and leave us alone with your
> DT-preaching, please.
> We don't need it, thank you.
Aparently you and a large amount of the group still don't 'get it'. I
realize this guy is obsessed with technical abilities, but don't base all
of us on one guy. Most of us care more about the music. As long as the
Dream Theater bashing is still going down in this group, the Dream Theater
preaching will too.
Dream Theater United knockin' on your ass in Y2K.
> Forostar
>
> "Out in the dark there burns a dream"
> - A. Smith, 1986 -
--
"Burning high, eclipse of the sun
Blackened skies, rites of the night
Three days in darkness in 2012"
Testament - "Three Days in Darkness"
Mattia Loy
> Nicko uses a Ludwig Speed King bass drum pedal. It is considered a
> relatively inexpensive pedal compared to a lot of other brands/models
> available.
>
> Yes, the characteristics of the pedal do attribute to return speed off the
> head and general "playability", but the foot technique must also be taken
> into consideration. I have played with lesser-priced pedals and have
> gotten very good results. Just because a pedal might cost less money does
> not mean it's junk, or that the drummer must exert more energy using it.
> I've used top-of-the line pedals and felt like I had concrete on my feet
> even _after_ adjusting the spring tensions!
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Tony
I couldn't say it better.
Ah, just to say it: Portnoy uses a Tama Iron Cobra, that is lesser priced
and good than the L.S. King but the result is under everyone's statement.
Matt
Mattia Loy
You exactly centered the matter, and you agree with me since I already wrote
that both Petrucci and Myung love Maidne and that Maiden highly influenced
theyr lives.
Just one more thing: I'm not talking about Harris as a man, but as a
musician. This means that comparing Harris to Myung about technique is
obfensive and pitful, no matter how they get to theyr playing level.
Obviously I simphatizes more for Murray that did himself from nothing, only
by his own than Malmsteen that had all the comforts we can image.
Thank you again,
Matt.
> Harris was out playing in bands and writing songs while Myung was still a
> little kid. You can't say Harris hasn't paid his dues. The guys in Maiden
> were poor kids from the streets of London. Unfortunately they didn't have
> rich parents who could send them to Berklee. I love Dream Theater and I
> know they are technically more proficient than Maiden, but I think that is
> minor compared to the vast influence Maiden has had on the music world.
> By the way, Myung cites Harris as one of his main influences. Without
> Maiden, there's a good chance Dream Theater would not exist as we know
them.
>
>
>
Erlend Steinsvik
> Thank you! I'll take this as a compliment because I don't have any problems
> playing these songs with single bass drum either.
Hah! Yeah, right. Prove it.
--
Erlend Steinsvik - ICQ: 21755965
"Metallica is the Microsoft of music industry"
Erlend Steinsvik
> Rhapsody are using midi drums.
Yeah, right! Just a stupid rumour. Unless, of course, you could prove it
somehow.
PS: Fix your SV to Re
Laurent
Being a drummer myself, I recognized it immediately
Sure, they use good midi sound, but
if you listen carfully, you will notice the each drum beat has the same
sound, the same pressure and no human can drum the same all the time.
It's too mechanical
Then, if they changed drummer, it's only because they go live,
so they needed a real one.
I bet you my balls that the next album will have a true drum sound.
Mattia Loy
This matter about Rhapsody really is a surprice to me, but I was thinking
that similar things have been told for Van Halen when he played with
tapping, and the for Steve Vai, but then we discovered that it was all true.
So we can't be sure untill we will see them in concert.... but I think it
would be meaningless getting such a drummer if he can't play in concerts and
that it would be very difficult and expensive to program the midi drum so
carefully to seem a real drum. It woul be a more intelligent decision to
take some other more capable drummer, since there are a lot of talented
players and musicians in the world.
Matt.
Mattia Loy
some players haven't?
I'm not obsessed by technique, but I don't want to rest silent when someone
says such atrocities.
I care almost only about the music, because if I wouldn't, I would listen
only jaz or Bach.
Forostar, you write and read very often here, so you must know how I think
about.
You seems to be expert enough to know what "technique" is, so you agree with
me when I ANSWER to persons that say wrong. This is no matter of musical
tastes, but a nearly objective fact. When I came to this newsgroup I
expected to find interesting discussions like the current one about
rhapsody, or about Maiden last songs and tours, not kids that say that
Maiden are great not for theyr music but because they are great players!
And when I say "musician" I consider everything: the touch, the fantasy, the
originality, the writing-songs ability... everything.
Maiden, as I always told, are great and without any discussion my
favourites.
When I say "player" I consider only the ability to play and reproduce a
song. And, forgive me, Maiden are not so god as people say, even if still
good.
Matt.
Magenta Margurite
Magenta Margurite
even though I'm English, and it can be set for different languages.
Hope that is helpful.
Magenta.
Mattia Loy wrote in message <8dc018$bq6$3...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>...
Maestro
you can play for example Rush's "YYZ" with every fill and everything you are
not as talented as the man who created the fills and stuff. I said that you
don't get to show much talent in a band, because most songs and music sound
better with easy drumming. I said that in Deep Purple and Rush they get to
show more talent than other bands and drummers, because they are more
experimental bands and not consentrating on music with high hit factor. Not
that they get to "do the whole thing". But they can do whatever the hell
they want withing the songs.
From what I understood you were totally agreeing with me, but for some
reason misunderstood something and wrote this stupid "highly and
wholeheartedly disagree" Read posts better next time, it will pay off
instead.
There are different levels of talent, there are the drummers who can hit
every beat correctly and like you said show no sense of individual style,
they are talented, no question about that. But if you are talking about the
best drummers in the world ever, it is the drummers that gets you exited,
drummers that have their own style, drummers that makes the drum kit sound
like a whole band and sound like he is playing a song when doing a drum
solo, drummers that have unique fills and a lot of them within a band,
drummers that may not be perfect but have a good feel and sound, drummers
like Buddie Rich and Ian Paice.
It's like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to Jimi Hendrix. Who is really the
best? Yngwie that plays perfect with I don't know how many notes per second,
or Jimi that had individuality and feel to the playing.
Frank Banana
Maestro
Again with the proving? my band's producer, Svein Erik Åmås at Audiofarm in
Ørsta and he'll tell you all about everything. One hell of a guy, by the
way. Besides, everybody knows that Rhapsody uses midi drums, there is done a
lot of cheating within the "german"-metal bands. But it's mainly because the
style requires perfection and they are saving time this way.
Frank Banana
Tore Aursand
says...
> The pedal has nothing to do with it. Your talent has.
Wrong. I've been playing for eight years until I quit a few years ago,
and I've tried *many* bass drum pedals. One can say that you're right
up to one point; It *is* possible to achieve good results with a *bad*
pedal, but it's a lot easier to achieve the same thing - and better -
with a better pedal. Thus, you don't have to concentrate on playing
the bass drum that much (which makes you more relaxed and able to do a
whole lot of other things).
--
Tore Aursand - to...@extend.no - http://www.extend.no/~tore/
Tore Aursand
says...
> and all these dudes who think they are as good as Nicko and say
> that they easily can play SIT songs, make me laugh. I don't believe
> it dudes, sorry. Prove it if you can.....
Man, I've heard a lot of people playing the same thing as Nicko does,
and it's not about how good they are at playing. Sure, they must be
good up to some point, but it's like making that egg stand on edge;
Nicko is playing all his stuff the first time, all the other ones who
plays the same is virtually copying his art. That's not a problem.
When it comes to playing difficult stuff, you should rather check out
drummers like Steve Gadd, Vinnie Colaiuta, Ian Paice, Adi Baumgartner,
and others. These drummers plays something a lot more difficult and
technical than Nicko ever has done (at least on any album). Why? The
drumming these performers perform doesn't fit to Iron Maiden's style.
It's really that simple.
Mattia Loy
"Maestro" <obso...@online.no> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:TjDK4.4420$By1....@news1.online.no...
I was just thinking about the matter in a logical way. Since you say so...
probably you are righ.
But let me say that it was a very stupid decision from Turilli & co to
choose a drummer like Carbonera that can't play theyr songs in concert. This
is not good for theyr reputation. I just hope they didn't used other tricks,
no matter if CARBONERA can't play them, but are theyr songs playable from a
more expert drummer? One of my dreams is to play Land of Immortal one day,
but if they used a midi drum because it is impossible .... well, you
understeand.
Well, that's all.
Thanks for the news.
Matt.
Mattia Loy
I'm always ready to better myself when I can.
How can I get it?
Matt
"Magenta Margurite" <magenta....@tesco.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Sani
<obso...@online.no> wrote:
>
>It's like comparing Yngwie Malmsteen to Jimi Hendrix. Who is
>really the best?
Yeah, but it's so hard to make jokes of Jimi, while Ingvei has a
hairdresser that used to prevail in the 17th century France doing
wigs to Lud Wig, and the Virtual IX monarchy.
> Yngwie that plays perfect with I don't know how many notes
>per second, or Jimi that had individuality and feel to the
>playing.
>
>Frank Banana
I was watching the livevideo in Rio with the guy, and it's
absolutely the most hilarius when the guy is rolling his guitar
around his shoulders in every 2 minutes. Great technical player
though.
Sani
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Erlend Steinsvik
says...
> I'm a proud Norwegian Viking and I will NOT change my SV to Re! :-)
>
> Again with the proving? my band's producer, Svein Erik Åmås at Audiofarm in
> Ørsta and he'll tell you all about everything. One hell of a guy, by the
> way. Besides, everybody knows that Rhapsody uses midi drums, there is done a
> lot of cheating within the "german"-metal bands. But it's mainly because the
> style requires perfection and they are saving time this way.
What other bands do this? Not Blind Guardian, Helloween or Gamma Ray or
the other well-known...
BTW: are you from Ørsta? That's not far from Volda :)
Magenta Margurite
Your English isn't that bad anyway, I think it's quite fun.
Magenta.
Mattia Loy wrote in message <8df2bk$md1$1...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it>...
Maestro
> What other bands do this? Not Blind Guardian, Helloween or Gamma Ray or
> the other well-known...
I'm not familiar with Blind Guardian, you can clearly hear that Helloween is
real drums only, but I'm not convinced that Gamma Ray doesn't have a device
fixing the real drumming , but I really don't know. Haven't heard anything
about it. But you know, whatever.. It's a part of the game with that style.
It's like the millenium falcon and other cool things in the entertainment
world not really existing, you enjoy it whenever you watch it and hear it
anyway.
I'm not from Ørsta or Volda, but they are great places both!
Frank Banana
Nausea
Mattia Loy <matti...@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message
news:8dc018$bq6$3...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it...
> Very funy.
> From this moment, I'll check very word I'll write in the dictionary.
> Here are the logic argumentations by Nausea to answer my messages.
> Good! Now the thing really grows boring. This newsgroup is not a private
> discussion between us, so stop writing such things if you have nothing
> better to do.
>
> Matt
Well, I don't really have anything better to do so I guess I'll
just keep eating the bait. I'll try to remember that you have no
sense of humour too...(am I joking now Matt? I think so!)
Yes, I am a cynical bastard sometimes and I realised long ago
that this is no place for private discussion, so I have no
problems with other people reading this...I think most have
given up on our arguing by now anyway. I know I have.
Nausea
Magenta Margurite <magenta....@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:8dehf3$qsi$3...@barcode.tesco.net...
> So! This is all YOUR fault!
>
Yes Magenta...and he's also responsible for the last
great air crash, at least one middle eastern conflict,
and an egg throwing incident outside Harrods last
Thursday ;)
Nausea
Eldacar
Mattia Loy wrote:
> "Maestro" <obso...@online.no> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:TjDK4.4420$By1....@news1.online.no...
> > I'm a proud Norwegian Viking and I will NOT change my SV to Re! :-)
> >
> > Again with the proving? my band's producer, Svein Erik Åmås at Audiofarm
> in
> > Ørsta and he'll tell you all about everything. One hell of a guy, by the
> > way. Besides, everybody knows that Rhapsody uses midi drums, there is done
> a
> > lot of cheating within the "german"-metal bands. But it's mainly because
> the
> > style requires perfection and they are saving time this way.
> >
> > Frank Banana
>
> I was just thinking about the matter in a logical way. Since you say so...
> probably you are righ.
> But let me say that it was a very stupid decision from Turilli & co to
> choose a drummer like Carbonera that can't play theyr songs in concert. This
> is not good for theyr reputation. I just hope they didn't used other tricks,
> no matter if CARBONERA can't play them, but are theyr songs playable from a
> more expert drummer? One of my dreams is to play Land of Immortal one day,
> but if they used a midi drum because it is impossible .... well, you
> understeand.
> Well, that's all.
> Thanks for the news.
>
> Matt.
They have indeed changed drummer. It's the guy from Angra behind the set now.
I saw them 2 weeks ago in Copenhagen along with Stratovarius and Sonata Arctica.
As far as I could see and hear, it was the real thing.
/Eldacar
Mattia Loy
more as he can to seem thiner !!
Look to millennium cover, and then to his mouth!
Yes, great player anyway.
Matt
Mattia Loy
Just a matter of pratice anyway, thanks to Nausea I've seen some errors and
I'll never reply them again.
Matt.
"Magenta Margurite" <magenta....@tesco.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:8dfmsi$6sp$1...@barcode.tesco.net...
> Sorry, But I don't know how to get it in Italy.
> Your English isn't that bad anyway, I think it's quite fun.
>
> Magenta.
>
> Mattia Loy wrote in message <8df2bk$md1$1...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it>...
> >Yes, that would....
> >I'm always ready to better myself when I can.
> >How can I get it?
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >"Magenta Margurite" <magenta....@tesco.net> ha scritto nel
messaggio
> >news:8dehf4$qsi$4...@barcode.tesco.net...
> >> I have a spellchecker which helps a great deal. as my spelling is
> >appalling
> >> even though I'm English, and it can be set for different languages.
> >> Hope that is helpful.
> >>
> >> Magenta.
> >>
> >> Mattia Loy wrote in message <8dc018$bq6$3...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it>...
Mikel - Heavy
people, including me of course.
But no one can say he's a Paganini of bass guitar. There are many, many bass
players that are technically better (Myung, Patitucci, Pastorius,
Sheehan,...).
BUT... Steve's playing is intense, raw and emotional, and it has a
PERSONALITY. This is what makes him great.
It's not only about tech skill you know... I mean Billy Sheehan plays much
better than 'Arry, but I get bored with him.
SO...
TECHNICALLY - Just good
AS A WHOLE PLAYER - The best
AS A MUSICIAN (player, composer and leader) - Immense
Did you understand evrything?
--
Don't try and blame me for your games,
Your games are Death.
My world is light, the angels fill my eyes
With every breath.
Mattia Loy <matti...@tiscalinet.it> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
8da71r$60n$1...@pegasus.tiscalinet.it...
> > I can't comment on Nicko... I'm not a drummer. However, I do personally
> > think that Steve Harris is the best Bassist I've heard... Is this blind
> > idolation, or perhaps simply a personal opinion... it really depends how
> you
> > define the term "best player"...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris.
>
> Really, when a person reaches a certian technique level, the only way to
say
> if he is better than other is fantasy. It is difficut, for examplt to say
if
> Romeo is better than Petrucci or Steve Vai... different stiles
> Harris as player is not very good: he is limited by the fact that he
learned
> everything he knows on his own, without learning at school, but as
musician
> is great!
> He uses all his skills as his best to do great songs, as the other Maiden
> does.
> He was original, he transmits his energy and feelings when he plays... if
we
> consider those parameters, yes: he is really great. But people here
> generally talk only about technique, and not music.
> This is the answer to your question, do you agree?
>
> Matt.
>
>
Mikel - Heavy
If you see music from a technical point of view, NO ONE could say that
Maiden are the best players in the world.
BUT it's not only about tech. The feeling of Maiden songs is (for me and for
all of us) much more intense than those of Dream Theater, for instance.
I think that everyone in this NG will agree with this two things. So why
keep argueing?
Johnfwolfe
>From: "Mikel - Heavy" kel...@teleline.es wrote:
>
The feeling of Maiden songs is (for me and for all of us) much more intense
than those of Dream Theater, for instance.
If "much more intense" means there's a chance it will keep you awake, you're
right.
I decided to keep an open mind, and went back and listened to a few of their
albums. They still suck as much as they did the last time I played them. Even
the decent harder sound of the song "Pull Me Under" is completely ruined by
those pussy vocals. That guy (I use that term loosely) could easily double for
that wimp vocalist in Firehouse and a million other "melodic metal" 80's bands
in the Slaughter vein.
Catman the Great
I'm sorry, but if you willingly get a nose job from a guy who looks like
Nicko, then you deserve it.
With Regards,
Catman the Great
Innes Groves
say that the man is pretty underrated by the general public. The maiden
material, although great, does not generally give much room for any member
of the band to really show off - and in any case, that's not what maiden
are, or ever have been about. As far as pedal choice goes, a new pedal will
not improve your speed, only practice will, and at the last clinic I believe
nicko had changed from speed kings to a DW model. While some pedals have
varying characteristics, speed comes from the drummers ankle, and provided
the spring is tensioned to the optimum level, any variation in pedal will
only produce a difference in feeling, as opposed to speed. The tension of
the batter drum, beater choice and even what you wear on your feet have just
as much to do with the power delivery and speed you can produce with a
pedal.
Johnfwolfe
>As a drummer, and one who has attended several of Nicko's Clinics, I would say
that the man is pretty underrated by the general public.
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I attended one of Nicko's clinics. Simply horrible, painful, unsanitary and
I'm going to sue.
Mattia Loy
"Innes Groves" <inn...@btinternet.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> As a drummer, and one who has attended several of Nicko's Clinics, I would
Humm.... excuse me, but I don't agree.
I agree with the persons that say that before the pedal, technique is much
more important, but I've seen the changes of my drummer and his friends when
they got a new pedal. The result was light years better, but that's because
they trained a lot and were already pretty good. But more expert drummers
have already answered almost like me to messages like this.
Matt
Sani
>>Clinics, I would say that the man is pretty underrated by the
>>general public.
>I attended one of Nicko's clinics. Simply horrible, painful,
>unsanitary and I'm going to sue.
>
>My nose job was more disfiguring than Michael Jackson's.
>
>
At least you didn't try to seduce the 13-year-old drum clinic
kids and shove up the sticks where no drummer or Wacko Jacko
hasn't gone before.
Forostar
>
> > Aparently you and a large amount of the group still don't 'get it'. I
> > realize this guy is obsessed with technical abilities, but don't base
all
> > of us on one guy. Most of us care more about the music. As long as the
> > Dream Theater bashing is still going down in this group, the Dream
Theater
> > preaching will too.
> >
> > Dream Theater United knockin' on your ass in Y2K.
> >
> > > Forostar
> > >
> > > "Out in the dark there burns a dream"
> > > - A. Smith, 1986 -
> >
Hmm, I didn't write this, dude... So don't put my name and sig under someone
else's post. Thank you.
Forostar
"Out in the dark there burns a dream"
- A. Smith, 1986 -
Tom Fletcher
> And when I say "musician" I consider everything: the touch, the fantasy,
the
> originality, the writing-songs ability... everything.
> Maiden, as I always told, are great and without any discussion my
> favourites.
So does this make Maiden good "musicians" or not?
> When I say "player" I consider only the ability to play and reproduce a
> song.
Yet you say when you consider a musician you consider everything? then why
split up this into two little sections of "musician" and "player"? Surely
they would work out to be the same from your analysis?
>And, forgive me, Maiden are not so god as people say, even if still
> good.
I don't think it really matters if Maiden are good players or not. Everybody
who plays a musical instrument has their own way of playing, their own style
so to speak.
Just because Dave, Janick or Adrian doesn't shred away at his strings and do
all the technical stuff like Satriani, Vai, Malmsteen, does this say they
can't? Does this make them better or worse players for it? Have you ever
heard these guys play at home? I haven't and doubt you have, so you don't
know what their capabilities are. And Steve, just because he doesn't break
into a machine gun sounding slap and pop bass solo every song, so we really
know if he could or not?
I am not standing up and saying "Maiden are the greatest musicians/players
of all time" or anything. How do you judge who is a better player than who?
How would you compare Yngwie Malmsteen to Django Reinhardt? (apart from one
is alive and one is dead..;-)
> Matt.
>
--
Tom Fletcher
t...@fletcher11.free-online.co.uk
Total Eclipse
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