Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the govermental body that grants licenses to them.
You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many signatures as you possibly can.
We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to present to the House of Commons.
fiddaman64 wrote: > Apologies first for this totally off topic post.
> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming > lawsuit against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more > importantly the govermental body that grants licenses to them.
> You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many > signatures as you possibly can.
> We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to > present to the House of Commons.
> fiddaman64 wrote: >> Apologies first for this totally off topic post.
>> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming >> lawsuit against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more >> importantly the govermental body that grants licenses to them.
>> You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many >> signatures as you possibly can.
>> We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to >> present to the House of Commons.
> Hey Fiddy - stick a counter on that page as well. Just so you can produce > a figure in court, i.e "my blog dealing with the subject has had xxxxx > hits"
>>> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming >>> lawsuit against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more >>> importantly the govermental body that grants licenses to them.
>>> You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many >>> signatures as you possibly can.
>>> We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to >>> present to the House of Commons.
>> Hey Fiddy - stick a counter on that page as well. Just so you can produce >> a figure in court, i.e "my blog dealing with the subject has had xxxxx >> hits"
fiddaman64 wrote: > Apologies first for this totally off topic post.
> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit > against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the > govermental body that grants licenses to them.
> You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many signatures > as you possibly can.
> We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to present to > the House of Commons.
Bob 5HT reuptake inhibitors [Seroxat in one or two cases] have either ruined the lives or [imo] caused the suicide of a few friends of mine. I worked part time at a psychiatric unit and have seen firsthand the detrimental effects these supposed wonder drugs [as they were faited at the time] cause turning mildly depressed folk to desperation who see no option but to end it all. If you could organise an online petition I think you could get over 10000 signatures in a month. I'll get as many sigs as I can and good luck with your lawsuit.
> fiddaman64 wrote: >> Apologies first for this totally off topic post.
>> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit >> against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the >> govermental body that grants licenses to them.
>> You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many >> signatures >> as you possibly can.
>> We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to present to >> the House of Commons.
> Bob > 5HT reuptake inhibitors [Seroxat in one or two cases] have either > ruined the lives or [imo] caused the suicide of a few friends of mine. > I worked part time at a psychiatric unit and have seen firsthand the > detrimental effects these supposed wonder drugs [as they were faited at > the time] cause turning mildly depressed folk to desperation who see no > option but to end it all. > If you could organise an online petition I think you could get over > 10000 signatures in a month. > I'll get as many sigs as I can and good luck with your lawsuit.
The MP for Dundee, Stewart Hosie, wants the sigs then he will put it before the House of Commons. Unsure whether an online petition would work as there are too many weirdo's out there.
Cam on Google wrote: > fiddaman64 wrote: > > Apologies first for this totally off topic post.
> > Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit > > against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the > > govermental body that grants licenses to them.
> > You can help me by downloading a petition and obtaining as many signatures > > as you possibly can.
> > We have a deadline of one month to get 1000 plus signatures to present to > > the House of Commons.
> Bob > 5HT reuptake inhibitors [Seroxat in one or two cases] have either > ruined the lives or [imo] caused the suicide of a few friends of mine. > I worked part time at a psychiatric unit and have seen firsthand the > detrimental effects these supposed wonder drugs [as they were faited at > the time] cause turning mildly depressed folk to desperation who see no > option but to end it all. > If you could organise an online petition I think you could get over > 10000 signatures in a month. > I'll get as many sigs as I can and good luck with your lawsuit.
What he said! I'd sign if I could.
I took Seroxat for about 6 months and it almost did me in, not in the way you might think but nevertheless. Best thing I've ever done was kicking those fookin' pills. I suffered withdrawal symptoms for a lot longer than the 6 months I took 'em, they're pure lingering EVIL!
"fiddaman64" <fiddaman64SPAMMERSAR...@Sblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message > Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit > against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the > govermental body that grants licenses to them.
Bob, first Rover and now a pharmaceutical company? Damn. I hope it pays well. Look out General Motors, Fiddy's a-comin!! LOL
You may make some charitable donations to our BOD trust fund, you know, for tax purposes and such. I have that address.
> "fiddaman64" <fiddaman64SPAMMERSAR...@Sblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit > > against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the > > govermental body that grants licenses to them.
> Bob, first Rover and now a pharmaceutical company? Damn. I hope it pays > well. Look out General Motors, Fiddy's a-comin!! LOL
And look what happened to Rover! Good luck Bob, I know someone who was on Seroxat and he turned into a complete basket case on 'em. Goulash
>> "fiddaman64" <fiddaman64SPAMMERSAR...@Sblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming >> > lawsuit >> > against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the >> > govermental body that grants licenses to them.
>> Bob, first Rover and now a pharmaceutical company? Damn. I hope it pays >> well. Look out General Motors, Fiddy's a-comin!! LOL
> And look what happened to Rover! Good luck Bob, I know someone who was on > Seroxat and he turned into a complete basket case on 'em. > Goulash
It's a class action lawsuit tops - There's 1500 of us. GSK have been sued in the States on numerous occasions over Paxil (Seroxat) They always setle out of court so Paxil is still marketed. It's been said that it is easier to go cold turkey on Heroin than Seroxat - GSK will have you believe it's not addictive. Twats
Petitions sound nice but with one petition that I know of, something like 1500 petitions were received but out of which only less than a hundred were from the actual vicinity of the area of the petition that actually counted... and the U.S. Government only counted the less than hundred as legit. There's Gonna Be Some Rockin'...
>> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit >> against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the >> govermental body that grants licenses to them.
> Damn, you're a lawyers dream.
> Question: If the users of this drug were sick/ill/ or whatever before > they took the drug, and they took the drug and now they are claiming they > are still sick/ill or whatever, how do you measure damages?
Damages are put in place because the Pharmaceutrical company, Glaxo SmithKline, witheld data during the clinical trials - in other words - they knew the drug could cause harm - ie; suicidal tendancies and aggression. Imagine a food company launching a product that caused severe adverse reactions to the consumer. Claimants in the Seroxat litigation want justice and the drug banned. There have been many deaths and homicide related events regarding this drug - surely that is a major concern?
Those responsible removed from their respective posts of authority, a ban on Seroxat for new patients, an independant review of the MHRA and it's close associations with Pharmaceutrical companies. Financially, nothing could replace what people have been through on this drug.
> Does this require a class action lawsuit where the remedy is money?
How else does a group of 1500 people get justice?
> A few questions:
> 1) Have people been helped by this drug?
Yes
> 2) Was the drug the proximate cause of these deaths and homicides in light > of the fact that the users were already suffering from mental health > problems?
According to the Donald Schnell case - yes - Glaxo SmithKline were ordered to pay the remainder of his family $7M after he murdered them then commited suicide. They have also settled out of court on numerous occasions in the States. The UK litigation is the first of its kind in this country.
> 3) What are your damages?
You mean how did it effect me? That's a private matter.
>> surely that is a major concern?
> Well certainly it is. But I don't see how a bunch of people filing > lawsuits for money will remedy your concerns. Good luck.
OK - Point taken. We'll just let them continue to pump ot the poisoin without question then.
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:31:37 -0400, "PAEOAM" <defr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Some of you know, I have been busy of late with an up and coming lawsuit >> against a particular pharmaceutrical company and more importantly the >> govermental body that grants licenses to them.
>Damn, you're a lawyers dream.
>Question: If the users of this drug were sick/ill/ or whatever before they >took the drug, and they took the drug and now they are claiming they are >still sick/ill or whatever, how do you measure damages?
> >an independant review of the MHRA and it's close associations with > >Pharmaceutrical companies. Financially, nothing could replace what people > >have been through on this drug.
> How does a class action lawsuit for money adress these issues?
> >> Does this require a class action lawsuit where the remedy is money?
> > How else does a group of 1500 people get justice?
> If you're looking justice in the court system, you are going to be severely > disappointed. Now, if you're looking for money, that is a different matter.
> >> A few questions:
> >> 1) Have people been helped by this drug?
> > Yes
> Then why would you want it completely banned?
Again Thalidymide didnt have adverse effects on every patient prescribed with it but the severity of the adverse reactions and not being able to determine who would suffer them the substance was completely banned [in the UK]
> >> 2) Was the drug the proximate cause of these deaths and homicides in > >> light of the fact that the users were already suffering from mental > >> health problems?
Seroxat was prescribed over here for the mildest of depressions by GPs. If a patient is deemed to be capable of self harm or unrational and/or aggresive behaviour a CPN [COMMUNITY PSYCHIATRIC NURSE[ at least would be involved or the patient advised to go into an open pxychiatric unit for assessment treatment or in severe cases sectioned under the Mental Health Act.
> > According to the Donald Schnell case - yes - Glaxo SmithKline were ordered > > to pay the remainder of his family $7M after he murdered them then > > commited suicide.
> Have you murdered anyone?
> >They have also settled out of court on numerous occasions in the States.
> Do you have access to these settlement agreements? I don't think you can > draw a negative inference from something you have not read.
> >The UK litigation is the first of its kind in this country.
> If you lose, do you have to pay the Defendent's costs, fees, attorney fees > etc.?
> >> 3) What are your damages?
There are plenty of documented cases of patients while being prescribed [solely by their GP as a routine prescription] Seroxat experiencing severe mental problems and episodes not consistant with the GPs prognosis.
> > You mean how did it effect me? That's a private matter.
> Okay then. Let me make a few reasonable assumptions then: 1) You write > about it on Usenet, 2) You have created a blog about it, 3) You have > admitted that you are clinically depressed, 3) You haven't killed yourself, > 4) I doubt you have killed anyone else, 5) You are really mad at a company > for making a drug you admit helps people, 6) You are involved with a class > action suit for money, and 7) You want "justice" even though your remedy > seems to exclusively be money.
As I understand the motivation of the action is primarily to get Seroxat withdrawn. Should people be compensated for their suffering caused by Seroxat......HELL YES.
> Based on this, the steps seem to be:
> 1. I was suffering from mental illness. > 2. To address the mental illness, I took a (I assume) prescribed drug. > 3. I stopped taking the drug becasue it didn't work. > 4. I am still struggling with mental illness. > Therefore, > I should get money.
Your assumptions are wrong so naturally so are your conclusions
> >>> surely that is a major concern?
> >> Well certainly it is. But I don't see how a bunch of people filing > >> lawsuits for money will remedy your concerns. Good luck.
> > OK - Point taken. We'll just let them continue to pump ot the poisoin > > without question then.
> How can it be poison when it -- at your own admission -- helps people? And > yes, you can and should question it. But I'm not sure that suing for money > is going to achieve much for the public good.
> Good luck -- I mean it. I'm not trying to make light of your situation. > Just don't put too much into the legal matters surrounding this. Rarely do > I see people get what they want: justice. Justice is a goofy television > term people try to believe in. Courts are venues where disputes are > resolved in such a way, that usually, everyone loses. The only question is: > who is going to lose more. Even if you do win money -- where I am, it would > be a long shot -- it is not going to help your clinical situation.
>> At your own admission, this product has helped others.
> Thalidymide worked without side effects on some pregnant women
Of course it had side effects, just like every other item people ingest. In the case of Thalidomide, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, there were severe birth defects and/or death. The damages were clear. This example, to this point of time, is not analogous. I could say the same thing about alcohol: Dude got all drunk, shot and killed his family, then himself. Let's file a class action suit against alcohol companies.
>> >> A few questions:
>> >> 1) Have people been helped by this drug?
>> > Yes
>> Then why would you want it completely banned?
> Again Thalidymide didnt have adverse effects on every patient > prescribed with it but the severity of the adverse reactions and not > being able to determine who would suffer them the substance was > completely banned [in the UK]
Maybe the drug should be banned, I don't know. But Bob's class action seems like a stretch to me.
>> >> 3) What are your damages?
> There are plenty of documented cases of patients while being prescribed > [solely by their GP as a routine prescription] Seroxat experiencing > severe mental problems and episodes not consistant with the GPs > prognosis.
Sure. And they need to establish compensable damages.
>> > You mean how did it effect me? That's a private matter.
>> Okay then. Let me make a few reasonable assumptions then: 1) You write >> about it on Usenet, 2) You have created a blog about it, 3) You have >> admitted that you are clinically depressed, 3) You haven't killed >> yourself, >> 4) I doubt you have killed anyone else, 5) You are really mad at a >> company >> for making a drug you admit helps people, 6) You are involved with a >> class >> action suit for money, and 7) You want "justice" even though your remedy >> seems to exclusively be money.
> As I understand the motivation of the action is primarily to get > Seroxat withdrawn.
Class Action lawsuits seek MONEY as a remedy. Some sort of action in equity would be used for an injunction, not a tort.
>Should people be compensated for their suffering > caused by Seroxat......HELL YES.
Sure. What are the damages, and were the damages claimed proximately caused by the product. The pill didn't hold a gun to anyone's head and tell them to kill their family and themself. You need serious expert opinion testimony to even try to attempt to establish this. And it isn't as easy as you think.
>> Based on this, the steps seem to be:
>> 1. I was suffering from mental illness. >> 2. To address the mental illness, I took a (I assume) prescribed drug. >> 3. I stopped taking the drug becasue it didn't work. >> 4. I am still struggling with mental illness. >> Therefore, >> I should get money.
> Your assumptions are wrong so naturally so are your conclusions
Which ones? I can only rely on the info Bob, or you as his spokesperson, put forth.
>> >> Well certainly it is. But I don't see how a bunch of people filing >> >> lawsuits for money will remedy your concerns. Good luck.
>> > OK - Point taken. We'll just let them continue to pump ot the poisoin >> > without question then.
>> How can it be poison when it -- at your own admission -- helps people? >> And >> yes, you can and should question it. But I'm not sure that suing for >> money >> is going to achieve much for the public good.
"fiddaman64" <fiddaman64SPAMMERSAR...@Sblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message > Damages are put in place because the Pharmaceutrical company, Glaxo > SmithKline, witheld data during the clinical trials
No wonder med prices are too high. Every time someone gets a case of diarrhea, a pharmaceutical gets sued, and then of course it gets passed on to the consumer.
> Imagine a food company launching a product that caused severe adverse > reactions to the consumer.
Mad at them for stating there was a 1% risk of suicide and aggression - which is classed as frequent by he Medicines Regulatory Authority - the actual figure was almost treble that
6) You are involved with a class
> action suit for money, and 7) You want "justice" even though your remedy > seems to exclusively be money.
It's about justice and having the drug removed. I don't expect a huge wad of money. If you think being part of a help group is about getting money then you are hugely mistaken.
> Based on this, the steps seem to be:
> 1. I was suffering from mental illness.
Depression
> 2. To address the mental illness, I took a (I assume) prescribed drug.
Correct - I was prescribed a drug by my GP that was deemed safe. Evidence suggests that the drug is not safe.
> 3. I stopped taking the drug becasue it didn't work.
Incorrect - I tried weaning off the drug - the withdrawal effecs were so bad I was given an oral syringe to come down by 1/2mg per week. I came down from 40mg to 22mg but couldn't hack it anymore - This is a drug that THEY SAY is not addictive - I and thousands of others beg to differ. I made the decision to go cold turkey as I had made several attemps to wean off it. Cold turkey on Seroxat ain't a pleasurable experience
> 4. I am still struggling with mental illness.
Incorrect - I've been Seroxat free for almost two years now
> Therefore, > I should get money.
You are so naive. Glaxo SmithKline hid trial data purely so they could make money - they didn't care about the adverse effects this drug had on peeps. Seroxat has earned them billions of pounds yet despite the evidence that they witheld clinical trial data they are still being allowed to sell it. It's a David v Goliath scenario and hopefully a victory for the small man.
I understand your cynicism but believe me there is more to this than meets the eye. Like I said in an earlier thread - do a google on 'Paxil' or 'Seroxat' or educate yourself futher by going here: http://www.paxilprotest.com/
As far as evidence goes I have heaps of it and will be only to pleased to pass it on to you though I think you have already made your mind up that I, along with others are only in this for the money.
> Let's file a class action suit against alcohol companies.
Judging by the look of some of the women that us blokes have shagged whilst under the influence of alcohol I think we should definitely file a class action suit against alcohol companies :>) Goulash
> > Let's file a class action suit against alcohol companies.
> Judging by the look of some of the women that us blokes have shagged whilst > under the influence of alcohol I think we should definitely file a class > action suit against alcohol companies :>) > Goulash
I don't know why I missed the whole of Chris's post, but I caught this snippet courtesy of Goulie's response. Imagine the millions of class action suits against the big brewers. They must be settling them out-of-court on a daily basis. Big Tobacco missed that lesson. Imagine Fiddy, take on Budweiser and you'll have your check in a week. Maybe I'll join one based on general principal. Although I'm the only one putting a bottle to my lips, I wish that at times there was no more beer left to drink. Maybe a big fat check will make me a happy sober man. :)
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