SHOW YOUR SUPPORT - sign on here
tom moran
On Sept. 2, 1996 Moran posted "The sinking McVay - down, down,
down", still fresh on the group.
The main point was Nizkor "Director" McVay's attack on a
revisionist's family member.
======================================================================
"Three months from now, Mr. Moron, too busy trying to find a
hooker to take his sister's place, will still not have figured it
out."
======================================================================
Immediately many of his ardent allies signed on to endorse
McVay's statement. To make it easier for anyone who wants to sign on,
I am posting this space for their convenience.
DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Those already signed on are:
1. Chuck Ferree
2. Joel Rosenberg
3. Danny Mittleman
4. Jamie McCarthy
5. Keith Morrison
6. Yale Edeiken
7. Ken McVay, reiterating
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
If all the numbers have been taken, just continue on by adding
your own.
DON'T MISS THIS CHANCE TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ANTI-HATE.
-------------
(This post a correction. First post has McVay as a 'webmaster', when
it has been pointed out he's not. He is the "Director".)
------------
Danny Mittleman
In article <322c56d3...@news.pacificnet.net>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes...
>======================================================================
> "Three months from now, Mr. Moron, too busy trying to find a
>hooker to take his sister's place, will still not have figured it
>out."
>======================================================================
So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
daniel david mittleman
===========================================================================
For More Information on the Holocaust see The Nizkor Project
Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
North America: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
(Under construction - permanently!)
Dave Harman OBC
On Sept. 2, 1996 Moran posted "The sinking McVay - down, down,
down", still fresh on the group.
The main point was Nizkor "Director" McVay's attack on a
revisionist's family member.
======================================================================
"Three months from now, Mr. Moron, too busy trying to find a
hooker to take his sister's place, will still not have figured it
out."
======================================================================
Immediately many of his ardent allies signed on to endorse
McVay's statement. To make it easier for anyone who wants to sign on,
I am posting this space for their convenience.
DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Those already signed on are:
1. Chuck Ferree
2. Joel Rosenberg
3. Danny Mittleman
4. Jamie McCarthy
5. Keith Morrison
6. Yale Edeiken
7. Ken McVay, reiterating
8. Dave Harman, OBC
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
If all the numbers have been taken, just continue on by adding
your own.
DON'T MISS THIS CHANCE TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR ANTI-HATE.
-------------
(This post a correction. First post has McVay as a 'webmaster', when
it has been pointed out he's not. He is the "Director".)
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Bob Beck
tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
[blah blah blah]
: DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
: for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
: Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
: The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
: --------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
in Nanaimo, he should be!)
Bob Beck
rb...@unixg.ubc.ca
tom moran
dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
> So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
> fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>
> daniel david mittleman
No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
tom moran
t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
Other supporters for the output of Ken McVay and Nizkor would be:
The American Jewish Committee, The World Jewish Council,
Anti-Defamation League, B'nai B'rth, Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Rabbi Heir,
the United States House of Representatives who recently voted 420 to 0
to condemn Holocaust revisionism, etc.
william c anderson
tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
Add Monty Python to the staggeringly long list of things about which
Moran knows nothing.
Bill
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
..
Laura Finsten
>> So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>> fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
>right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
I can't take it anymore. I'm going to let the cat out of the bag.
You asked what trolling is, Mr. Moran. Mr. Mittleman is attempting
to explain trolling to you by doing it. And clearly his effort,
transparent as it is to every reader but you, it seems, has been
effective as a troll, but ineffective as an illustration to you
of a troll. Do you understand now?
"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
Emma Goldman
Keith Morrison
tom moran wrote:
>
> dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>
> > So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
> > fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
> >
>
> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
> right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
> come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
This boy is truly sad.
Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He'll
explain it to you.
--
Keith Morrison
t0...@unb.ca
Ken McVay OBC
>Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He'll
>explain it to you.
Some minor nits to pick:
1. Mr. Giwer has no friends.
2. Mr. Giwer is demonstrably incapable of explaining anything.
3. Mr. Moran is demonstrably incapable of understanding it, anyway
- he refuses to update his collander, which is still running 0.6b.
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Ken McVay OBC
In article <50k6uk$h...@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>,
Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>I can't take it anymore. I'm going to let the cat out of the bag.
>You asked what trolling is, Mr. Moran. Mr. Mittleman is attempting
>to explain trolling to you by doing it. And clearly his effort,
>transparent as it is to every reader but you, it seems, has been
>effective as a troll, but ineffective as an illustration to you
>of a troll. Do you understand now?
Peruse
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/moran-tom/whats-trolling.html
and you will quickly have the answer to that question. Moran's
performance is ever so much nicer that Giwer's troll of
himself.
(No, Mr. Moran doesn't inger Monty Python, either.)
The official ZOGtographer was here last night. He left the
damning photographs, Fatbroad. Of course, I've had to use _both_
scanners to get it all on disk, but then you knew that.
It's all there - the yacht, the plank, the sharks, the FBTS.
Get used to it.
Allan Matthews
In article <322c56d3...@news.pacificnet.net>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
> On Sept. 2, 1996 Moran posted "The sinking McVay - down, down,
>down", still fresh on the group.
>
> The main point was Nizkor "Director" McVay's attack on a
>revisionist's family member.
>
>======================================================================
> "Three months from now, Mr. Moron, too busy trying to find a
>hooker to take his sister's place, will still not have figured it
>out."
>======================================================================
>
Yeah, Ken made a real mistake here. I'd guess that you can't get a date
beyond the reach of your right hand.
allan
=================================================
amat...@cybercom.net
=================================================
A monk asked Un Mun, "What is Buddha?"
Un Mun replied, "Dry shit on a stick."
=================================================
http://www.cybercom.net/~amatthews/amatthews.html
=================================================
Matt Giwer
It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
violation and conspiract to same.
Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
=====
There's no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Then when your stealing
Matt Giwer
On 4 Sep 1996 17:05:54 -0700, kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
OBC) wrote:
>In article <322DFB...@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison <t0...@unb.ca> wrote:
>>Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He'll
>>explain it to you.
>Some minor nits to pick:
>1. Mr. Giwer has no friends.
>2. Mr. Giwer is demonstrably incapable of explaining anything.
>3. Mr. Moran is demonstrably incapable of understanding it, anyway
> - he refuses to update his collander, which is still running 0.6b.
>--
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>-----------------------| http://search.nizkor.org/search.html
> |--------------------------------------
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Whois Ken McVay?
===
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it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec Grynspan,
openly brags about having been in the Mossad, i.e. Israeli
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tom moran
lib...@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:
>tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>: dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>:
>: > So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>: > fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>: >
>: > daniel david mittleman
>:
>: No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
>: right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>: come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
>
>Add Monty Python to the staggeringly long list of things about which
>Moran knows nothing.
Evidently you think not knowing Monty Python is a sign of
negative intelligence.
Your posts, this being one of them, shows what happens when
someone thinks knowing Monty Python is fitting criteria for suitable
intelligence.
tom moran
Keith Morrison <t0...@unb.ca> wrote:
>tom moran wrote:
>>
>> dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>
>> > So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>> > fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>> >
>> > daniel david mittleman
>>
>> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
>> right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>> come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
>
>This boy is truly sad.
>
>Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He'll
>explain it to you.
Why don't you just tell me.
>--
>Keith Morrison
>t0...@unb.ca
Danny Mittleman
In article <50mf7s$7...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes...
>On 4 Sep 1996 05:31:12 GMT, rb...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) wrote:
>
>>tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>
>>: DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
>>: for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
>>: Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
>>: The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
>>: --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
>>website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
>>in Nanaimo, he should be!)
>
> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>violation and conspiract to same.
>
> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
>
> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
opinion that you deem to be wrong?
You really went downhill since Grynspan started in on you. Nothing you
post anymore ever makes any sense (not that you were Shakespeare
before). Your posts seem to be divided between gibberish and idle
threats (this being an example of that latter). The rest of us learned
not to be afraid of such things when the third grade bully was put in
his place. You, somehow, never got that lesson, huh?
Well, keep posting. Grynspan's responses tearing you to shreads make
amusing reading...
Danny Mittleman
In article <50mf1g$7...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes...
>On 4 Sep 1996 17:05:54 -0700, kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay
>OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article <322DFB...@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison <t0...@unb.ca> wrote:
>
>>>explain it to you.
>
>
>>1. Mr. Giwer has no friends.
>>2. Mr. Giwer is demonstrably incapable of explaining anything.
>>3. Mr. Moran is demonstrably incapable of understanding it, anyway
>> - he refuses to update his collander, which is still running 0.6b.
>
>
>>--
>>The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/search.html
>>-----------------------| http://search.nizkor.org/search.html
>> |--------------------------------------
>>Bored? Try http://www.nizkor.org/giwerundean-lesson.cgi
>
> Whois Ken McVay?
Ken McVay is the Director of the Nizkor Project, which fights
anti-semitism and Holocaust denial on the web.
>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmc...@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
> 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
> CA
> 1-604-382-0615
As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this address, I would like
to point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can
send contributions to the Nizkor Project to this address. They will be
properly received and placed to good use. You will receive a Canadian
Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
matter what Matt Giwer insists). If you wish to make an American
contribution for an American tax receipt, there is a different address
(which maybe Giwer will decide to post one day.)
Each time you see Giwer post this silly troll in place of a real answer
to questions put to him, just remember that he is a prime reason for
you to consider making a donation to the above address.
And if you doubt that Giwer is an anti-semite, just remember he always
.sigs his posts these days with:
>=====
>There's no business like Shoah Business
>Like no business I know.
>Everything about it is appealing,
>Everything that traffic will allow.
>No where can you get that happy feeling
>Then when your stealing
>
daniel david mittleman
tom moran
t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
Three more names requesting to be put on the list of those endorsing
McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
>Those already signed on are:
>
>1. Chuck Ferree
>
>2. Joel Rosenberg
>
>3. Danny Mittleman
>
>4. Jamie McCarthy
>
>5. Keith Morrison
>
>6. Yale Edeiken
>
>7. Ken McVay, reiterating
>
8. Mike Curtis
>
9. Richard Graves
>
10. Mark VanAlstine
>
>11.
>
>12.
tom moran
Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>>dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>
>>> So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>>> fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>
>
>
>> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
>>right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>>come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
>
>
>I can't take it anymore. I'm going to let the cat out of the bag.
>You asked what trolling is, Mr. Moran. Mr. Mittleman is attempting
>to explain trolling to you by doing it. And clearly his effort,
>transparent as it is to every reader but you, it seems, has been
>effective as a troll, but ineffective as an illustration to you
>of a troll. Do you understand now?
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
> Emma Goldman
Laura, can I add your name to the list here?
Jamie McCarthy
kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> The official ZOGtographer was here last night. He left the
> damning photographs, Fatbroad. Of course, I've had to use _both_
> scanners to get it all on disk, but then you knew that.
>
> It's all there - the yacht, the plank, the sharks, the FBTS.
> Get used to it.
I must point out that photographs are easily forged, especially once
they're brought into the digital domain with, as you admit, a scanner.
I note for the record that both Mr. McVay and Ms. Finsten live in
Canada. There is already at least one photo retoucher proven to live in
the exact same country: Ernst Zuendel. Therefore, it is not out of the
realm of possibility that these photographs have been edited in minor
but crucial ways. For example, we'll have to look carefully at the
sharks -- are those really sharks, or are they really trout which have
digitally-added teeth?
All these questions will be raised.
But you knew that.
--
Jamie McCarthy http://www.absence.prismatix.com/jamie/
ja...@voyager.net Co-Webmaster of http://www.nizkor.org/
Hate mail will be posted.
Ken McVay OBC
In article <5SEP1996...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmc...@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
>> 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>> Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>> CA
>> 1-604-382-0615
> As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this address, I would like
> to point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can
> send contributions to the Nizkor Project to this address. They will be
> properly received and placed to good use. You will receive a Canadian
> Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
> matter what Matt Giwer insists). If you wish to make an American
> contribution for an American tax receipt, there is a different address
> (which maybe Giwer will decide to post one day.)
Correct - but using that address may result in a delay of up
to a month in issuance of your receipt. It would be best to
use the address posted at http://www.nizkor.org/funding.html:
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3
In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
We thank Dr. Mittleman for pointing this out, and thank all of
you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
Project.
The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.
Mr. Giwer complained of insufficient bandwidth, and I note with
satisfaction that he no longer does so. I confess, however, that
further improvements with regard to Nizkor's bandwidth will require
a few more months of patience. We regret keeping Mr. Giwer waiting.
Mr. Giwer complained of the lack of adequate search capability, and
I note with satisfaction that he no longer does so. I confess, however,
that the implementation of our second search engine will require a few
more months of patience, as will the full implementation of the first.
We regret keeping Mr. Giwer waiting.
Mr. Giwer complained of the lack of primary source
documentation, so we added 1,387 pages of material comprising
the OSS Hitler Papers. We regret that the addition of another
125,000 pages of primary source material from the United
States National Archives may require another year to complete,
although we trust he will understand that we are working as
rapidly as possible to satisfy his scholastic need. The
German, British, French and Canadian National Archival
microfilm digitization will require somewhat more time, but
we're working on it, and trust to Mr. Giwer's understanding
and patience in the interim. We regret keeping him waiting.
We deeply regret the delay in inclusion of more RealAudio
files - we intend to add a substantial collection of Nazi-era
speeches and motion picture footage within the next 12 months.
We appreciate Mr. Giwer's patience, and regret keeping him
waiting.
Since Mr. Giwer's complaints, as noted above, Nizkor has put
your generous donations to good use, and added an additional 15
gigs of storage and five full mirror sites to our network.
We apologize, however, to Mr. Giwer, as we have been tardy in
our conversion of raw text files to HTML, but we promise to
double our current total of 5,300 web pages within the next 12
months, in the hope it will help satisfy his obvious and
insatiable appetite for knowledge of one of the most onerous
events in human history. We regret keeping Mr. Giwer waiting.
We thank Mr. Giwer for providing us with all the motivation needed
to continue improving our service to the Internet, and for his
daily reminder that Nizkor's addresses are readily available:
Canadian donations should be made payable to
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
and should be mailed to
Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St.
Victoria, BC
V8W 2J3
In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
and should be mailed to:
San Antonio Area Foundation
Nizkor Fund
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
In closing, our thanks to Dr. Mittleman for mentioning our
addresses in this context. Please, Sir, feel free to continue
to do so. I'm sure Mr. Giwer will accomodate you by publishing
reminders on a regular basis.
He wouldn't want to keep you waiting, Sir, now would he?
--
The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
-----------------------| Random Giwer Whoppers Served Here
|--------------------------------------
http://www1.ca.nizkor.org/random-giwer-lie.cgi
Daniel Keren
t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
# Three more names requesting to be put on the list of
# those endorsing McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
What is all this about, Tommy?
-Danny Keren.
Rajiv K. Gandhi
> On 4 Sep 1996 05:31:12 GMT, rb...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) wrote:
>
> >tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
> >[blah blah blah]
>
> >: DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
> >: for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
> >: Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
> >: The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
> >: --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
> >website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
> >in Nanaimo, he should be!)
>
> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
> violation and conspiract to same.
Any perceived copyright violation is not criminal. But of course, being
the beady eyed little troll that you are, I am sure you are aware of that.
> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
> purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
Legislative history (assuming you mean the contstruction of past acts with
similar intent as the copyright act), in the context of interpreting the
law, has significance only where the law is not clear. Here it is very
clear. If on the other hand you mean legislative intent, you would still
be wrong.
No violation of copyright exists (except in the feeble lump of mush that
passes for your brain) and even if there were it is exempted for the very
reasons of educational purposes and fair use.
[another threat and an incoherent sig deleted]
Keith Morrison
tom moran wrote:
> >> > So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
> >> > fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
> >> >
> >> > daniel david mittleman
> >>
> >> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
> >> right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
> >> come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
> >
> >This boy is truly sad.
> >
> >Tell you what, Moran, go ask your friend Giwer. He likes Python. He'll
> >explain it to you.
>
> Why don't you just tell me.
Explaining it to someone who can't catch on...yet...would be like trying
to explain relativity to a brick wall.
--
Keith Morrison
t0...@unb.ca
Danny Mittleman
In article <322ef396...@news.pacificnet.net>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes...
>>
>>>> So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>>>> fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>>
>>
>>
>>>right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>>>come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
>>
>>
>>You asked what trolling is, Mr. Moran. Mr. Mittleman is attempting
>>to explain trolling to you by doing it. And clearly his effort,
>>transparent as it is to every reader but you, it seems, has been
>>effective as a troll, but ineffective as an illustration to you
>>of a troll. Do you understand now?
>>
Tommy, your question above merits a direct answer. I was going to do
so, but I was going to say exactly what Laura has said above. I have
nothing to add to that except: this thread began when you asked what
trolling is. There have been several discussions of - and definitions
of - trolling in a.r over the past year. I vaguely recall that you
have even previously asked the question and it has previously been
answered. Go look up those historical discussionss - or go look up
trolling on a newbie FAQ - if you still don't get it.
Danny Mittleman
In article <jamie-05099...@clmx45.dial.voyager.net>, ja...@voyager.net (Jamie McCarthy) writes...
>kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> The official ZOGtographer was here last night. He left the
>> damning photographs, Fatbroad. Of course, I've had to use _both_
>> scanners to get it all on disk, but then you knew that.
>>
>> It's all there - the yacht, the plank, the sharks, the FBTS.
>> Get used to it.
>
>I must point out that photographs are easily forged, especially once
>they're brought into the digital domain with, as you admit, a scanner.
Look Jamie, you make too big of a fuss and you are going to find your
self IN a t-shirt IN that picture. Capice?
daniel david mittleman
===========================================================================
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(Under construction - permanently!)
Note to Tommy: this is an inside joke and there isn't any expectation
that you understand it. This time.
Rich Graves
>>: dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
>>:
>>: > So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
>>: > fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
>>: > daniel david mittleman
>>:
>>: No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
>>: right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
>>: come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
>>
>>Moran knows nothing.
>
>
> Evidently you think not knowing Monty Python is a sign of
>negative intelligence.
Are you suggesting that it isn't?
-rich
Yale F. Edeiken
> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
> violation and conspiract to same.
Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
> purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
This is an outright lie.
I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law. I have never
given one privately. There is a simple reason for this. The Copyright Law was
radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention and I had not
even read it until this morning.
What I found is that you were lying. First, the "legistlative history" is not
quite relevant. The Historical Notes (taken From Notes of Committee on the
Judiciary, House report 94-1476 --- the relevant legislative history) printed with the
statute to explain it state:
"Section 107 is intended to restate the present judicial doctrine of fair use, not to
change, narrow, or enlarge it in any way."
Thus the judicial interpretation of "fair use" which was *never* restricted
to classroom use is very relevant as legislative history.
It should be noted that the Report also states " . . . the endless variety of
situations and combinations of circumstances that can rise in particular cases
precludes the formulation of exact rules in the statute. The bill endorses the
purpose and general scope of the judicial doctrine of fair use, but there is no
disposition to freeze the doctrine in the statute, especially during a period of rapid
technological change. Beyond a very broad statutory explanation of what is fair
use is and some of the criteria applicable to it, the courts must be free to adapt the
doctrine to particular situations on a case-by-case basis."
The report later states: "Although the works and uses to which the
doctrine of fair use is applicable are as broad as the copyright law itself, most of the
discussion of section 107 has centered around questions of classroom
reproduction, particularly photocopying"
It defines the scope of the section as being: "the comittee has not only
adopted further amendments to section 107 but has also amended section 504 (c)
to provide innocent teachers and other non-profit users of copyrighted material with
broad insulation against unwarranted liability for infringement."
Perhaps it is me, but the normal English interpretation of the phrase
"innocent teachers and other non-profit users" would indicate that the legislative
history is *not* limited to classroom situations.
I notice that you announce what the "legislative history" is but do not
quote it so that others may see what you are talking about. In this case, of course,
the "legislative history" would include the judicial precedents which it specifically
embodies. A quick check of the annotations revealed no holding that fair use is
limited, as you state, to classrooms. Several of the cases applied in to
non-classroom situations.
I would ask for some citations of the cases that support your
interpretation, but that is a fruitless exercise. It is apparent that you do not know
what you are talking about.
> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
Please do. Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted
the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement. Your
deposition on that point should be very humorous.
I can't wait.
--YFE
Laura Finsten
kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
[trollaby for Mr. Moran snipped]
>The official ZOGtographer was here last night. He left the
>damning photographs, Fatbroad. Of course, I've had to use _both_
>scanners to get it all on disk, but then you knew that.
>It's all there - the yacht, the plank, the sharks, the FBTS.
>Get used to it.
My legal counsel has advised me not to discuss the you-know-what.
I'm starting to wonder whose side he's really on in all this,
though. The prosecutor has indicated to me that the defense is
entitled to copies of *all* the evidence, and that includes
the photos, McVogstein.
"If I can't dance..... I don't want to be part of your revolution."
Emma Goldman
Matt Giwer
On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
Mittleman) wrote:
>In article <50mf7s$7...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes...
>>On 4 Sep 1996 05:31:12 GMT, rb...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) wrote:
>>
>>>tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
>>>[blah blah blah]
>>
>>>: DON'T MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOUR SUPPORT
>>>: for Ken McVay, Director of the anti-hate Website, Nizkor, The
>>>: Holocaust Educational Resource, endorsed by the U.S. Holocaust Museum,
>>>: The Simon Wiesenthal Center and many other Institutions and Websites.
>>>: --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
>>>website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
>>>in Nanaimo, he should be!)
>>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>>violation and conspiract to same.
>>
>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>>purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>>opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
>>
>> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
> What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
> opinion that you deem to be wrong?
Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
offered to.
It is not a matter of my agreement. It is a matter of the propriety
of the propriety of giving opinions under these circumstances.
So far as I can see, he has already given opinions that have
encouraged people to admit to conspiracy to libel with McVay in the
event libel can be shown by McVay. Were it not for thier posts
wanting to be included in the lawsuit then they would likely never
have been named and even if named then conspiracy would have to have
ben separately proved but no longer.
So should anyone be caught in this they can recover their losses from
his because of his public legal opinions.
And that is why bar associations do not take kindly to such opinions.
> You really went downhill since Grynspan started in on you.
Grynspan wishes as do you.
Nothing you
> post anymore ever makes any sense (not that you were Shakespeare
> before). Your posts seem to be divided between gibberish and idle
> threats (this being an example of that latter). The rest of us learned
> not to be afraid of such things when the third grade bully was put in
> his place. You, somehow, never got that lesson, huh?
> Well, keep posting. Grynspan's responses tearing you to shreads make
> amusing reading...
You keep reading them and keep posting about them. That will waste
your time while I concentrate on posting the idiocies of the
holohuggers. I will post just enough to you folks to keep you
interested and keep your limited time wasted.
I have 18 hours a day seven days a week if I wish.
I have not posted to McFly in at least a week and he is still ranting
about. It certainly keeps you folks from doing anything contructive.
Matt Giwer
On Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:51:15 GMT, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>Three more names requesting to be put on the list of those endorsing
>McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
>>Those already signed on are:
>>
>>1. Chuck Ferree
>>
>>2. Joel Rosenberg
>>
>>3. Danny Mittleman
>>
>>4. Jamie McCarthy
>>
>>5. Keith Morrison
>>
>>6. Yale Edeiken
>>
>>7. Ken McVay, reiterating
>>
>8. Mike Curtis
>>
>9. Richard Graves
>>
>10. Mark VanAlstine
And if by chance you have a sister and she wishes she can sue them all
independently for libel. She is not a party to this conference and
such there is no defense against the charge of libel. And YFE will
lose his license over it.
Yale F. Edeiken
> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
> Mittleman) wrote:
> > What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
> > opinion that you deem to be wrong?
> Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
> legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
> circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
> offered to.
Since I did not offer a legal opinion on copyright, your statement is silly.
> So far as I can see, he has already given opinions that have
> encouraged people to admit to conspiracy to libel with McVay in the
> event libel can be shown by McVay. Were it not for thier posts
> wanting to be included in the lawsuit then they would likely never
> have been named and even if named then conspiracy would have to have
> ben separately proved but no longer.
This is gibberish. That is a legal opinion.
> So should anyone be caught in this they can recover their losses from
> his because of his public legal opinions.
Caught in what a "conspiracy to libel?" Please name a single court that
recognizes that criminal charge.
> And that is why bar associations do not take kindly to such opinions.
Please complain about what I have written here. You have threatened
several times and I ahve asked you to several times. You are simply lying and do
not have the guts to follow through. You know very well what would happen
when you do so.
--YFE
Matt Giwer
On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>> violation and conspiract to same.
> Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
People who have followed your advice so far have
>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>> purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
> This is an outright lie.
>
>> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
> Please do. Please tell them that I am an evil person because I quoted
>the legislative history that directly contradicts you ipse dixit statement. Your
>deposition on that point should be very humorous.
> I can't wait.
> --YFE
Matt Giwer
On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>
>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>> violation and conspiract to same.
> Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
>
>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>> purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
> This is an outright lie.
People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
conspiracy should the violation be found.
> I have never posted a legal opinion on copyright law. I have never
>given one privately. There is a simple reason for this. The Copyright Law was
>radically amended in 1988 to conform with the Berne Convention and I had not
>even read it until this morning.
That will be between you and those who think they read if from you. I
am not a party to your protestation.
Joel Rosenberg
>On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>>> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>>
>>> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
>>> violation and conspiract to same.
>> Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
>>
>>> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
>>> purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
>>> opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
>> This is an outright lie.
> People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
>conspiracy should the violation be found.
Well, forgettting for a moment how strangely that parses -- you don't really
express your thoughts well, or maybe, more frightening, you do ... -- if
you're going to sue, sue. Stop dilly-dallying and shilly-shallying and
mincing about the issues or we're going to think you're another George Lehmann.
File the suit, asshole. Go ahead. Make my day.
---------------------------------------------------------------
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send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.
tom moran
t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
>
>Three more names requesting to be put on the list of those endorsing
>McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
>
>>Those already signed on are:
>>
>>1. Chuck Ferree
>>
>>2. Joel Rosenberg
>>
>>3. Danny Mittleman
>>
>>4. Jamie McCarthy
>>
>>5. Keith Morrison
>>
>>6. Yale Edeiken
>>
>>7. Ken McVay, reiterating
>>
>8. Mike Curtis
>>
>9. Richard Graves
>>
>10. Mark VanAlstine
>>
11. Bob Beck
>>
>>12.
>
tom moran
rb...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) wrote:
>Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
>website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
>in Nanaimo, he should be!)
>Bob Beck
>rb...@unixg.ubc.ca
I notice you have specified your a fan of Ken McVay and Nizkor in
stating you want to be put on the list. Notice there is a specific
statement involved here. Are you ware of that? Say 'Yes' and I'll put
you on the list, or you can do it yourself. Just use the list part so
as to spare the Internet resources. Thanks.
tom moran
rajiv_...@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
Aren't you going to sign on for endorsing McVay's statement about
Moran's sister?
tom moran
dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>
># Three more names requesting to be put on the list of
># those endorsing McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
>
>What is all this about, Tommy?
>
>
>-Danny Keren.
Why don't you read the lead article to find out? Then sign on.
Don't miss this chance to support your allies in the fight against
Holocaust doubters and haters.
Yale F. Edeiken
> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
> On 6 Sep 1996 04:15:31 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
> > Violations of the copyright law are not criminal violations.
> People who have followed your advice so far have admitted to
> conspiracy should the violation be found.
Violation of WHAT, Matty poo.
Please show me the statute that makes copyright violation a crime?
Please show the criminal penalties prescribed by the law for copyright
violation? Is it a summary offense? A misdemeanor? A felony?
Take your time. Look in a book, Matty poo, not a bottle.
--YFE
Rajiv K. Gandhi
In article <32305aba...@news.pacificnet.net>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom
moran) wrote:
> rajiv_...@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
>
> Aren't you going to sign on for endorsing McVay's statement about
> Moran's sister?
My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
yourself in the third person ?
Danny Mittleman
In article <32305abd...@news.pacificnet.net>, t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes...
>dke...@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
>
>>t...@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
>>
>># Three more names requesting to be put on the list of
>># those endorsing McVay's statement about Moran's sister.
>>
>>What is all this about, Tommy?
>Why don't you read the lead article to find out? Then sign on.
The funny part, zeyde, is that you don't yet seem to realize what all
this is about. The lead article, in case you forgot, was the one where
you asked what trolling is.
>Don't miss this chance to support your allies in the fight against
>Holocaust doubters and haters.
No, you don't get it yet.
Gord McFee
In message <50mf7s$7...@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> - mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt
Giwer) writes:
:>
:>>Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
:>>website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
:>>in Nanaimo, he should be!)
:>
:> It is great to read so many people support criminal copyright
:>violation and conspiract to same.
:>
:> Even Edeiken knows that the legislative history of "educational
:>purposes" does not support Nizkor but he publically posts a legal
:>opinion that such copyright violation is within the law.
:>
:> It is just one more thing to report the the Penn SC.
Good to see Giwer so happy about the legions of support that Mr. McVay gets.
Whois Matt Giwer? An admitted liar.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/lies/lie-openly-admitted.html
Whois Matt Giwer? A proven liar.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/index-lies.html
Whois Matt Giwer? A person who plagarises.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/g/giwer-matt/plagarized-01.html
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Annie Alpert
Forgive me for reposting your entire note here, Ken, but I thought it
bore repeating. I've had occasion to use the Nizkor web site for
research recently and I was really impressed by the improvment in file
accessability, response time and web design. Obviously you put any
donations to good use!
--
Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?
European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
Ken McVay OBC
In article <rajiv_gandhi-0...@news.bctel.ca>,
[a moron wrote]
"Aren't you going to sign on for endorsing McVay's statement
about Moran's sister?"
>My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
>yourself in the third person ?
Would you admit to being her brother?
Rajiv K. Gandhi
In article <50sj4h$m...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> [a moron wrote]
>
> "Aren't you going to sign on for endorsing McVay's statement
> about Moran's sister?"
>
> >My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
> >yourself in the third person ?
>
> Would you admit to being her brother?
Good point, although I believe that the sister has more to worry about
than the brother. Or was it the cat ?
Ken McVay OBC
In article <50nt98$f...@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA>,
Laura Finsten <fin...@mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>[trollaby for Mr. Moran snipped]
>>The official ZOGtographer was here last night. He left the
>>damning photographs, Fatbroad. Of course, I've had to use _both_
>>scanners to get it all on disk, but then you knew that.
>>It's all there - the yacht, the plank, the sharks, the FBTS.
>>Get used to it.
>My legal counsel has advised me not to discuss the you-know-what.
>I'm starting to wonder whose side he's really on in all this,
>though. The prosecutor has indicated to me that the defense is
>entitled to copies of *all* the evidence, and that includes
>the photos, McVogstein.
That's McZOGstein to you, Fatbroad-2 (or was it FB3? It's
getting so hard to tell the FBs apart these days, what with
that besotted rude fellow in Florida awarding FBs left and
right), but you'll get _all_ the evidence in due course.
You knew that.
You may think it's easy to sync two flatbed scanners to
digitize a FBP, but you're an arky-oly-jist - what would you
know about that? You don't even have a sister's cat, FB.
"Are you saying that I should have insulting the Jewish
reputation for integrity by saying only Jew and thus
implying that we is observant?" (Giwerundean scholar,
Giwerundea, circa 1242)
Bob Beck
tom moran (t...@pacificnet.net) wrote:
: rb...@unixg.ubc.ca (Bob Beck) wrote:
: >Sure, sign me up. I mean, I've never met Ken McVay, but I like his
: >website. (He's obviously a good troll^H^H^H^H^H fisherman too, but living
: >in Nanaimo, he should be!)
: I notice you have specified your a fan of Ken McVay and Nizkor in
: stating you want to be put on the list. Notice there is a specific
: statement involved here. Are you ware of that? Say 'Yes' and I'll put
: you on the list, or you can do it yourself. Just use the list part so
: as to spare the Internet resources. Thanks.
I notice that in a later post (Message ID
3230a966...@news.pacificnet.net, posted Fri 06 Sept 1996 15:45:01)
you added me to the list without bothering to wait for my reply.
Fine, whatever. I know perfectly well there's a specific statement here,
which I take about as seriously as the claims to 'impartial scholarship'
of the Holocaust deniers. Normally I don't go in for personal invective
(unless it's particularly witty). However, anything that can send some
Holocaust deniers into a flurry of shrill self-righteousness obviously has
something to recommend it.
I find it curious that you folks, motivated by what notions of "chivalry"
or "honour" or whatever I have no idea, are so quick to fly to the defense
of an individual who was not even verbally abused, really. Meanwhile,
from your distortions and denials of historical truth I can only conclude
that you are at least indifferent to the suffering and death of millions
of individuals, and at most approve of it in retrospect, and perhaps would
like to see it repeated. Probably I'm not the only one around here who's
amused (wearily amused, it's true, but still amused) by this apparent
contradiction.
The attempts of so-called 'revisionists' to dominate the discussion on
this group, and to ensure that it gets bogged down in irrelevant rubbish,
are somewhat less amusing. (The _chutzpah_ it takes for you to advise me
to 'spare the Internet resources' is almost breathtaking). Their
intellectual _raison d'etre_ is merely pathetic. But it occurs to me that
by posting to this ridiculous thread in the first place I've begun to play
the game their way, and therefore it's time I stopped.
Bob 'but don't worry, I'll pop up elsewhere' Beck
rb...@unixg.ubc.ca
Danny Mittleman
In article <rajiv_gandhi-0...@news.bctel.ca>, rajiv_...@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi) writes...
>In article <50sj4h$m...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
>(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> [a moron wrote]
>>
>> "Aren't you going to sign on for endorsing McVay's statement
>> about Moran's sister?"
>>
>> >My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
>> >yourself in the third person ?
>>
>> Would you admit to being her brother?
>
>Good point, although I believe that the sister has more to worry about
>than the brother. Or was it the cat ?
I understand they "go fishing" together, if you know what I mean...
<wink>
Gord McFee
In message <50p1ne$6...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> - mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt
Giwer)Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:25:15 GMT writes:
:>
:>On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
:>Mittleman) wrote:
[deleted]
:> I have not posted to McFly in at least a week and he is still ranting
:>about. It certainly keeps you folks from doing anything contructive.
No problem. McFly and Giwer will have lots to talk about.
Gord McFee
In message <322d7d1a...@news.pacificnet.net> - t...@pacificnet.net (tom
moran)Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:01:41 GMT writes:
:>
:>dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:
:>
:>> So, ah, Tommy... does your sister like to go <nudge nudge wink wink>
:>> fishing? <know what I mean? know what I mean?>
:>>
:>> daniel david mittleman
:>
:> No, I don't know what you mean. Do you have the nerve to come
:>right out and explain what you mean? Don't beat around the bush. Just
:>come out and say it, "Like a 'man'".
Poor Tommie. TROLL.
Danny Mittleman
Zeyde! I was perusing the Nizkor site tonight and found a fascinating
URL. Why don't you point your rigii to:
http://www1.us.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/moran-tom/whats-trolling.html
and take a look.
It is a synopsis of your May 30, 1996 post where you asked:
"I see a lot of dubbing of 'troller' or 'trolling' out here.
What does that mean?"
It turns out that Ken McVay trolled you in response to that question.
It turns out that you didn't understand you were trolled. It turns out
that this situation led us into a June conversation about just what is
trolling. It is all captured there on Nizkor. Asked and answered.
So, it is even more surprising that when you repeated your question in
August and Ken trolled you by making remarks about your sister (and I
added some remarks about her going fishing) that you fell hook, line,
and sinker into deja vu' all over again!
Just shows, you can't teach old zeydes new tricks, eh?
And who says you can't get good entertainment out here on the
internet...?
Matt Giwer
On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 13:49:32 -0400, Annie Alpert <Mias...@ccnis.net>
wrote:
>Forgive me for reposting your entire note here, Ken, but I thought it
>bore repeating. I've had occasion to use the Nizkor web site for
>research recently and I was really impressed by the improvment in file
>accessability, response time and web design. Obviously you put any
>donations to good use!
I get my best laughs about the holocaust from that holohugger site.
And I think McVay's DOD connection speaks volumes for who is really
funding the site. Remember his email address, as he posted is
and remember that 1B Systems can be found only on MILNET the US DOD
domain registry.
And his partner in this al...@gryn.org sends mail bombs every time the
truth is told.
Holohuggers are such scum.
=====
There's no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when your stealing
There's no business like Shoah business
It's like no business I know
Everything about it is misleading
Everything about it seems a fraud
Can't you hear the rabbis when they're pleading
For more donations to their cause
Matt Giwer
On 6 Sep 1996 13:00:03 GMT, ya...@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
>> mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>> On 5 Sep 1996 06:34 MST, dmitt...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny
>> Mittleman) wrote:
>> > What? You are making a threat to report him for offering a legal
>> > opinion that you deem to be wrong?
>
>> Most state bars have rather serious prohibitions against offering
>> legal opinions in absense of a full and complete knowledge of the
>> circumstances of the person (persons) in this case that it is being
>> offered to.
> Since I did not offer a legal opinion on copyright, your statement is silly.
Strangely, not surprisingly, you correctly identify it as a legal
opinion. The issue raised above is not whether or not it is a legal
opinion but whether it is right or wrong. And of course, the standard
of what constitutes a legal opinion is how a layman will take it,
which is the purpose of the usual disclaimer that is absent in this
case.
tom moran
tom moran
Ken Lewis
On Mon, 09 Sep 1996 03:38:09 GMT, mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
> I get my best laughs about the holocaust from that holohugger site.
>And I think McVay's DOD connection speaks volumes for who is really
>funding the site. Remember his email address, as he posted is
>
> kmc...@oneb.almanac.bc.ca
>
> and remember that 1B Systems can be found only on MILNET the US DOD
>domain registry.
And I get my best laughs over your repeated posting of this foolishness. Do
you realize how stupid you are making yourself look?
BTW, I can tell you another place 1B Systems can be found. On a business
card in my card holder. Any idea how o-l-d that card is, Matt?
I used to do business with 1B Systems. 'Course that was many years ago. 1B
has been defunct for a long time.
I have hard time trying to figure out what interest the US DOD has in a
company that installed computer systems in an aquaculture company.
Perhaps you should get another psychiatrist. They can work wonders with
paranoia these days.
Mark Van Alstine
In article <512nvo$4q...@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmc...@ibm.net (Gord
McFee) wrote:
> In message <32305ab8...@news.pacificnet.net> - t...@pacificnet.net (tom
> moran)Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:09:19 GMT writes:
>
> :> I notice you have specified your a fan of Ken McVay and Nizkor in
> :>stating you want to be put on the list. Notice there is a specific
> :>statement involved here. Are you ware of that? Say 'Yes' and I'll put
> :>you on the list, or you can do it yourself. Just use the list part so
> :>as to spare the Internet resources. Thanks.
>
> Please Tom, tell me you're just trolling and you're not really this stupid.
> Please.
Nope, he _is_ that stupid. Sad but true....
Mark
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Gord McFee
In message <rajiv_gandhi-0...@news.bctel.ca> -
rajiv_...@bc.sympatico.ca (Rajiv K. Gandhi)Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:10:00 -0800
writes:
:>
:>In article <50sj4h$m...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmc...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
:>(Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
:>
:>> [a moron wrote]
:>>
:>> about Moran's sister?"
:>>
:>> >My name is already on the list, you twit. Why do you STILL refer to
:>> >yourself in the third person ?
:>>
:>> Would you admit to being her brother?
:>
:>Good point, although I believe that the sister has more to worry about
:>than the brother. Or was it the cat ?
Do you think the sister would admit to being the sister? :-)
Gord McFee
In message <32305ab8...@news.pacificnet.net> - t...@pacificnet.net (tom
moran)Fri, 06 Sep 1996 17:09:19 GMT writes:
:> I notice you have specified your a fan of Ken McVay and Nizkor in
:>stating you want to be put on the list. Notice there is a specific
:>statement involved here. Are you ware of that? Say 'Yes' and I'll put
:>you on the list, or you can do it yourself. Just use the list part so
:>as to spare the Internet resources. Thanks.
Please Tom, tell me you're just trolling and you're not really this stupid.
Please.
--
Derek Bell
Li'l Tommy also _is_ that sad. Sad but true....
Derek
--
Derek Bell db...@maths.tcd.ie WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
"Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson
Matt Giwer
It is interesting what fools there are here who imagine that his
sister does not have a very serious libel case against everyone who
has signed up to being a participant in the lawsuit.
As YFE should have told you folks, this constitutes an admission of
guilt and the only issue before the court is the amount of the reward.
You folks are betting that there will be no lawsuit.
Rotsa ruck.
=====
There's no business like Shoah Business
Like no business I know.
Everything about it is appealing,
Everything that traffic will allow.
No where can you get that happy feeling
Than when you're stealing
Joel Rosenberg
> It is interesting what fools there are here who imagine that his
>sister does not have a very serious libel case against everyone who
>has signed up to being a participant in the lawsuit.
> As YFE should have told you folks, this constitutes an admission of
>guilt and the only issue before the court is the amount of the reward.
> You folks are betting that there will be no lawsuit.
I think you're missing the point, and that your imaginary lawyer has,
understandably, not filled you in on the actual law involved.
Short form: stop bluffing, and sue.
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In article <519i71$7...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, mgi...@ix.netcom.com
(Matt Giwer) wrote:
> Than when you're stealing
Would you look at THAT!!
I guess you CAN teach an old moron new tricks.
Sara
--
"I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it."
Edith Sitwell
Ken Lewis
On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:44:01 GMT, mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:
# As YFE should have told you folks, this constitutes an admission of
#guilt and the only issue before the court is the amount of the reward.
Little man, still trying to be a lawyer?
# You folks are betting that there will be no lawsuit.
You should read the newsgroup, little man. You might have figured out what
was going on. I though it would have been obvious to a troller like you.