Holocaust Calendar: January 12
kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam
January 12
1943
Adolf Eichmann, head of department IVB4, the Jewish
department of the Central Office for Reich Security (RSHA),
directs the massive deportation of Jews from Berlin to
Auschwitz and to the "show" ghetto of Terezin
(Theresienstadt) in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.
This operation will continue through March and will involve
fifteen thousand Jews. The noted Berlin rabbi and scholar
Leo Baeck is among the sick, inform, and/or prominent Jews
sent to Terezin during this period. (USHMM, 1993. Pg. 19)
1944
One thousand Jewish prisoners are transferred from Stutthof
concentration camp to Auschwitz-Birkenau; 746 prisoners are
gassed on arrival, and 120 men and 134 women survive the
initial selection. (USHMM, 1994. Pg. 25)
Work Cited
USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
Years Ago: Revolt Amid the Darkness: Days of Remembrance,
April 18-25, 1993. Washington, D.C.: 1993
USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum). Fifty
Years Ago: Darkness Before Dawn: Days of Remembrance, April
3-10, 1994. Washington, D.C.: 1994
--
"The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
(Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
david_michael
<kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
> [Follow-ups set]
<snip>
> "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
> at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
> (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
> The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
photographs of naked children on the Internet:
<begin quote>
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
<end quote>
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
<begin quote>
From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
Lines: 8
Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
<end quote>
.
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>Chickenhawk McVay <kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
>news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
>> [Follow-ups set]
>
><snip>
>
>> "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
>> at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
>> (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
>> The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
:
>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
I wonder if his masters at B'nai Brith know what they are supporting? Probably
so! This probably explains why he and Laurence B. Shiff get along so well seeing
how Shiff likes posting child porn ads to the net!
><begin quote>
>'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
>any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
><end quote>
>
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
In light of the above admission I would say McVay looks rather sadistic and
predatory in this picture:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
>Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
Alice in Wonderland is about the adventures of a little girl too!
><begin quote>
>From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
>Newsgroups: alt.sex
>Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
>Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
>Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
>References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
>Lines: 8
>Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
>
>I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
>entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
>another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
>or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
>Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
><end quote>
See my sig lines to see what some of McVay's co-horts like.
Doc Tavish
--
Scott, your postured indignation impresses no one. With your
obvious penis fetish, you're quite obviously either:
a) a teenager who needs a girlfriend;
b) impotent; or my favorite,
c) both.
Andrew Mathis
P.S. If you *are* underaged, by the way, I'd be more than happy to
meet you in a coffee shop as opposed to a place that serves alcohol.
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-Subject: Re: Jeffrey G. Brown Accuses BUT Can't Back His Charges..
-Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 01:25:30 GMT
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--
"Laura, I did NOT say you should begin in the "duck" position. I
just stated that it was the eventual position to achieve. I'm sorry
if I did not make that clear in my post. I *did* state that fist
fucking was not something I had done very often, and merely wanted
to impart my own (limited) experience." -- Kook Sara Salzman
broadcasting that she "Fist F*cks" herself in <alt.sex.bondage>.
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-Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
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Michael Ragland
have struck a raw chord with you. Maybe perhaps because it describes
you to the tee?
MR
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Mike McGee
"Michael Ragland" <Ragl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:35a8d44b.02011...@posting.google.com...
> Looks like the quote by Sarte regarding antisemitism McVay added may
> have struck a raw chord with you. Maybe perhaps because it describes
> you to the tee?
>
> MR
> _______________________________________________________
Michael Ragland was born in Columbus, Georgia but has lived in Northern
Virginia since 1972. Since 1989 he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder
and currently takes lithium, depakoate, and effexor for it. Ragland, an
anti-revisionist and supporter of homosexual rights has refused several
offers to be interviewed.
The Disorder
Ragland's illness often causes him to make bizarre posts that show grossly
inappropriate self-revelation, sexual deviance and makes it clear that he
has an interest in child pornography.
One of Michael Ragland's USENET Postings:
Many personal services on the internet really do constitute a selling
arrangement. They are women from foreign countries such as Russia, Asia,
etc. which are seeking wealthy husbands. Karen was posted on this
Spam-ridden alt.personal.ads and it was apparent she was out of place. Most
of the time you don't see homemade photographs of women on alt.personal.ads.
If I recall Karen's husband was looking for somebody to fuck her or exchange
pics at the least. I merely commented on Karen's attractiveness and led the
man to the best watering hole. Alt.binaries.personal.pictures is often a
great newsgroup; minimal spam and photos of real people (not models) naked
and fucking. And there are several regulars on there, which do trade, and in
some cases even get together.
Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them. But to
make it possibly easier to locate posts of mine, here are some of my
favorite sex newsgroups:
alt.binaries.pictures.senior-citizens
(I love old beaver between the ages of 40-55) Too much spam
but still worth the load.
alt.discuss.sex.mpegs
(This is a delightful ball churning delight)
alt.binaries.pictures.grotesque
(the most demented newsgroup on the internet)
alt.binaries.pictures.scat
(used to browse until the novelty wore off. A big hooray for Becky
Murphy!)
alt.binaries.pictures.bestiality
(several of these newsgroups)
And there are several others I've browsed through. For many years child
pornography groups were in the alt.hiarchy and everything and anything was
easily accessible. Finally, about a year and a half ago these newsgroups
were finally removed. Perhaps Don Ellis can take credit? The worse and most
prolific poster was "Arch Angel" who on every post had inscribed "Made by
God". Child pornography is still on the net but adults now have to pay for
it.
Has it been awhile since I had some pussy? Yes, it has been about a year or
so. So I just look at the fucking world and get my rocks off.
Michael Ragland
The Criminal
A Prince William County General District Court judge accepted a guilty plea
from a Triangle man accused of the e-mail impersonation of County Executive
Henry "Bern" Ewert.
Michael Ragland admitted he assumed the name of another person, which
resulted in a $200 fine. He also pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor
computer trespassing charge that will be dropped in six months if he
demonstrates good behavior and continues to attend mental health counseling.
If he violates the terms of the plea, the judge could sentence Ragland to 12
months in jail and a $2,500 fine.
Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney John Notarianni came to General District
Court to deal with Ragland's case and said there will be no trial because of
the no contest plea, but "if [Ragland] screws up" there will be an automatic
conviction.
Ragland appeared in court with his mother and spoke openly to the media, as
he has done in the past.
His mother sat silently in shame.
Ragland's Quotes
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
"Most of the time I jerk off to sex newsgroup and rarely post to them."
"'Sometimes telling half-truths, white lies, etc. is important for
self-preservation and to achieve certain ends.'"
david_michael
David
"Michael Ragland" <Ragl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:35a8d44b.02011...@posting.google.com...
Save_Ch...@webtv.net
Some of the info is false but I'm not going to bother to point out the
lies in it again. The most important point is this: An individual's
personal life is not the issue in a.r. The Holocaust is. Sarte's quote
still describes you.
MR
_____________________________________
Group: alt.revisionism Date: Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 5:04am (EST-1) From:
cte6...@centurytel.net (Mike McGee)
"Michael Ragland" <Ragl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:35a8d44b.02011...@posting.google.com...
Looks like the quote by Sarte regarding antisemitism McVay added may
have struck a raw chord with you. Maybe perhaps because it describes you
to the tee?
MR
______________________________________
SK
Mike McGee
--
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' - Ken McVay OBC
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
news:3c40...@212.67.96.135...
Daniel Keren
# Now your just pretending to be Danny Keren.
It's "you're", moron. Learn English for God's sake.
# David
-Danny Keren.
KCOM
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Tomorrow Ragland will pretend to be Ken McVay and ravish his own body. LOL
Ellis, why don't you leave this news group before I really hurt
you...?
Steve
John Morris
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In <3c3f...@212.67.96.135> in alt.revisionism, on Sat, 12 Jan 2002
05:57:46 -0000, "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> <kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
> news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
> > [Follow-ups set]
> <snip>
> > "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a
> > faith;
> > at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and
> > reasons."
> > (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew,
> > p. 19)
> > The Nizkor Project:
> > http://www.nizkor.org
> Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has
> seen photographs of naked children on the Internet:
> <begin quote>
Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors
often sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that,
for all their vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful
of the 30-40 million users on the Internet. I am weary of
seeing their activities blown out of proportion, as
> I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).'
We are dealing with a few dozen cynical activists, trolling the
net for money and cannon fodder. Even if all of the estimated
20,000 or so facists on the continent became active on the Net,
they still would represent no more than a small ripple in the
internet pond. In spite of that, the press continues to
sensationalize their presence, using it as an excuse for black
headlines, and the Canadian and American governments dutifully
blather about "controlling the Internet," presumably for "our own
good."
Speaking for myself, I wish to make it crystal clear that I
don't want to be "protected" by government thought police.
Everywhere we turn, governments are pushing and prodding our
lives, and I'm far more concerned about them attacking the Net,
and thus our freedom, than I am about watching the Nazis do it.
> <end quote>
Really having a tough time finding finding a good smear, aren't you?
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
It was stupid of you to put in the URL.
> Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of
> Alice in Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
And?
I guess you are just troubled because you have exposed yourself as a
supporter of mass murder and as an advocate of violence against
children.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Mike McGee
"KCOM" <KC...@Bastard.com> wrote in message
news:9e114ugg0vhf49ikr...@4ax.com...
Wolk, why don't you e-mail or call ellis and tell him yourself.
,.,
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
><kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
>news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
>> [Follow-ups set]
>
><snip>
>
>> "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
>> at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
>> (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
>> The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
:
>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
><begin quote>
>'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
>any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
><end quote>
>
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Link active for verification January 12, 2002)
-----SPECIAL NOTE-----
http://www.spectacle.org/
(Going to the above link will prove that spectacle.org invades your privacy. I
noticed after the page took time to download a message popped up bearing my name
saying: "Hi Robert Scott B Your payment supports the Ethical Spectacle. Click
to Give -- Fully Refundable.." Nizkor is also famous for invading private
citizens' privacy!!)
--End of SPECIAL NOTE--
The above proves beyond any doubt that Nizkor's Ken McVay has, in fact,
downloaded images of little boy and little girl nude photographs which is, in
fact, a crime. Child porn over the Internet is a crime Ken McVay! Care to deny
that you downloaded child porn on your computer? How could you have said: "I've
been on and around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children..." if you had not
downloaded said images? Once again-- downloading child porn is a crime-- a crime
you confessed to in open forum! Does B'nai Brith know they fund a pedophile?
>Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
>Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
Alice in Wonderland is an adventure of a young girl too and notice McVay gets
off to porn revolving around little girls! Does B'nai Brith know they fund a
child porn devotee?
><begin quote>
>From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
>Newsgroups: alt.sex
>Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
>Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
>Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
>References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
>Lines: 8
>Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>
>>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
>
>I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
>entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
>another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
>or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
>Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
><end quote>
Read the above documented and confessed words of Ken McVay, director of
WWW.NIZKOR.ORG, and recipient of "exempt donations" funneled through B'nai Brith
Canada and see this article and picture of Ken McVay to see how Canada condones
unsavory activity. A picture is worth a thousand words and McVay looks like a
hardened amoral type!
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm
Kenneth McVay - Nanaimo
Kenneth McVay has been described as an "ordinary man who refused to concede the
Internet to the purveyors of hate." But the crusade he undertook to root out and
expose electronic hate literature was anything but ordinary.
Neither a Jew nor an academic, Kenneth McVay's meticulous research and the
electronic database he has built on hate literature have been recognized by
academics, students, professionals and the media.
Backed by a volunteer team of 65 sympathetic computer activists around the
world, Mr. McVay continues his battle against those who spread hate through the
Internet. He has built a database of 2,500 electronic files -- more than 2
million words -- on fascism and the Holocaust which is regularly accessed for
scholarly research.
He has been particularly concerned that young people flocking to the Internet,
and impressionable first-time users are provided with a positive counter-balance
to the hate propaganda they will find there.
Mr. McVay moved his family to Canada from the U.S. in 1967 and leads an
outwardly unassuming life in a small city on Vancouver Island.
His efforts against electronic hate literature have made him Canada's resident
expert on the subject and a much sought-after lecturer. It has also made him the
object of numerous death threats.
Working to bring hate out in the open and expose it, Kenneth McVay provides a
more effective antidote than censorship.
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
(Large image of Ken McVay who downloads "photos of naked children."
<end>
Need I say more other than RCMP is not doing its job!?
Doc Tavish
--
"First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he marks the place the
cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to hold position,
knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.
Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins
to subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."
Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."
Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
cock, but from pain alone." -- Nizkor defender Sara Salzman having a
perverted fantasy in <alt.sex.bondage>
-From: ssch...@infinet.com
-Newsgroups: alt.sex.bondage
-Subject: My Master Holds The Ropes Just So (poem)
-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 1995 14:49:12 -0500
-Message-ID: <sschwartz-050...@p21.infinet.com>
,.,
<xkY%7.13656$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> "Mike McGee"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Tomorrow Ragland will pretend to be Ken McVay and ravish his own body. LOL
He will revel in the latest child porn images he's downloaded if he pretends to
be McVay.
Doc Tavish
SW
>
> <kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
> news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
> > [Follow-ups set]
>
> <snip>
>
> > "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
> > at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
> > (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
> > The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
>
>
> Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
> photographs of naked children on the Internet:
It's always obvious when the therapist psycho, david michael, has been
splattered. He begins to spam ar with a stalking campaign of lies against
one person, as he has now done against Ken McVay. Sorry, therapist psycho
michael - McVay has dealt with tougher and rottener eggs than you for far
too long to be bothered by your childish calumny. Take some time off and
grow a spine, therapist psycho michael.
sw
Ken Lewis
,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
wrote:
>>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
>>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
>http://www.spectacle.org/
>(Going to the above link will prove that spectacle.org invades your privacy. I
>noticed after the page took time to download a message popped up bearing my name
>saying: "Hi Robert Scott B Your payment supports the Ethical Spectacle. Click
It doesn't happen when I go there. Maybe because they are out to get
you, Bradshit. Maybe we are ALL out to get you.
>The above proves beyond any doubt that Nizkor's Ken McVay has, in fact,
>downloaded images of little boy and little girl nude photographs which is, in
It proves only that Bradshit is sucking for a libel suit and that his
logic and reasoning powers have been atrophied by all the fat in his
head.
>unsavory activity. A picture is worth a thousand words and McVay looks like a
>hardened amoral type!
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm
By that logic, Bradshit, I am sure if we had a picture of you we'd be
able to use it to confine you to a state mental institution where you
belong.
>Need I say more other than RCMP is not doing its job!?
Ahh. The GRU. The finest police force in the world. I'd rather have
one RCMP officer by my side than a hundred Texas county mounties. The
RCMP knows a nut when they hear one, Bradshit. That is why you are
ignored.
,.,
Your addition does not subr=tract from the fact that Kenneth McVay views images
of naked children from the internet which he could only do by downloading them
to his computer. The fact you are replying only verifies the fact another person
has signed on to validate the document presented at the link of:
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>> I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children,
ONLY possible by downloading them which is a criminal offense! Care to deny it
John?
>> but then I've got some of those in my family photo album, and fail to
>> see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society).'
Notice McVay uses the same cop out of net child pornographers who try to make
their images appear innocent.
> We are dealing with a few dozen cynical activists, trolling the
> net for money and cannon fodder. Even if all of the estimated
> 20,000 or so facists on the continent became active on the Net,
> they still would represent no more than a small ripple in the
> internet pond. In spite of that, the press continues to
> sensationalize their presence, using it as an excuse for black
> headlines, and the Canadian and American governments dutifully
> blather about "controlling the Internet," presumably for "our own
> good."
>
> Speaking for myself, I wish to make it crystal clear that I
> don't want to be "protected" by government thought police.
>
> Everywhere we turn, governments are pushing and prodding our
> lives, and I'm far more concerned about them attacking the Net,
> and thus our freedom, than I am about watching the Nazis do it.
>> <end quote>
Those words prove false to what McVay and his masters are doing as fully
documented in these archives:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=e8u03ugq1fph4b3qjak728i0uo4h0pvg24%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters-
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:52 -0600
Message-ID: <e8u03ugq1fph4b3qj...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67u03u8qjo2scu6bm1ilui61js7beloc67%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Supplement- Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters-
(Corrected Second Version)...
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:58 -0600
Message-ID: <67u03u8qjo2scu6bm...@4ax.com>
See how McVay and his allies try to divert that McVay's Masters spy on USENET:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=686a2u03c5lad2t4jcnuhh08fvvcd3eaip%404ax.com&rnum=12
Subject: I Slam Dunk Ken Lewis Over and Over and Over Again! Will He Come Back
For More? For Certain He Will-- Being the Hard Head He Is!
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:59:19 -0600
Message-ID: <686a2u03c5lad2t4j...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=feu72uk03qb1afma3na2ago17rprq8ghk6%404ax.com&rnum=15
Subject: SUPPLEMENT: I Slam Dunk The Two Kens Again! ...
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:50:38 -0600
Message-ID: <feu72uk03qb1afma3...@4ax.com>
>Really having a tough time finding finding a good smear, aren't you?
The above is true and you even verified it so how is it smear/ On the other hand
McVay engages in smear all the time and here are some examples:
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:08:12 +0000 (UTC), <a1g8mc$1vk2$1...@news.tht.net>
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <3c3b9a41.6711404@shawnews>,
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>[Brunoblather flushed down the old Bradbury]
How many times has Ken McVay referred to me in such a manner?
Using GOOGLE USENET search:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
Author: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org
Keywords: flushed down the old Bradbury
I get this result:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=flushed%20down%20the%20old%20Bradbury&as_uauthors=kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org&as_umsgid=%20&num=20&hl=en
Searched Groups for flushed down the old Bradbury
author:kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org Results 1 - 13 of about 14
Is this the sort of public conduct funded through B'nai Brith which is to be
tolerated? There are many, many more examples I can provide for myself and many
other people too! Does B'nai Brith know the civil liability they incur for
funding your libel and smearing of private citizens? You do remember what
happened to ADL for defaming private citizens in Colorado don't you? They had to
shell out $10.5 million in
a settlement and punitive damages and I have much libel by you against me on
record such as:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3bbf01e7.154718421%40news.abccom.bc.ca&rnum=10
From: kle...@netbbistro.com (Ken Lewis)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Will Ken Lewis Name Just One Recipient to the Nizkor Endowment Fund
Other Than Ken McVay? aka Re: suggestion on how to shut up loud lout paul
kneisel
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:55:25 GMT
Organization: Electric Zen
Message-ID: <3bbf01e7....@news.abccom.bc.ca>
References: <GJ6Y2ZG73716...@frog.gilgamesh.org>
<3bbcedb0...@news.abccom.bc.ca>
<3ulortgq9nldkb1ov...@4ax.com>
<3bc4b6cc...@news.abccom.bc.ca> <9pidrd$272q$1...@news.tht.net>
<q7errt096746k590t...@4ax.com>
On Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:44:18 -0500, Doc Tavish
<REMOVEdo...@my-deja.comREMOVE2MAIL-NO-SPAM> wrote:
>*** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com ***
>
>On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:38:21 +0000 (UTC), <9pidrd$272q$1...@news.tht.net>
>kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article <3bc4b6cc...@news.abccom.bc.ca>,
>>Ken Lewis <kle...@netbbistro.com> wrote:
>>
>>[BlubberWhining excised]
>>
>>>How many times has it have to be asked and answered before you take
>>>your head out of your ass?
:
>>It think it's stuck, Ken.
:
>>>Ken has already answered this. Unfortuanatly. I would have left you
>>>swinging in your own ignorance for a few more days.
:
>>Ken, this stupid lout will swing in his own ignorance for his entire
>>lifetime. I rather enjoy that thought :-)
>>
>>>Now. Do you want to take the bet or not?
(Ken McVay's one example of (many) public libel and smear funded through B'nai
Brith):
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=%20&as_umsgid=9pidrd%24272q%2...@news.tht.net&num=20&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Re: Will Ken Lewis Name Just One Recipient to the Nizkor Endowment Fund
Other Than Ken McVay?
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:38:21 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9pidrd$272q$1...@news.tht.net>
Exact quote: "He won't - no balls, no bet. (Besides, he's, er, "impoverished,"
you know... your basic welfare bum.)"
<<Doc Tavish comment January 8, 2002: I am not on welfare and I am not a bum. I
resent such lies and libel which McVay is famous for doing on a daily basis. For
a fact, as I show further down, this sort of behavior is funded through B'nai
Brith!>>
:
>Personal attack won't be a defense when CCRA gets around to investigating an
>endowment fund which does not make grants!
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
More examples of Nizkor's Ken McVay's public slanders funded through B'nai
Brith:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=a0bactklf2uar6u25j6e29phs85v92h7sg%404ax.com&rnum=6
Subject: Just For The Sake of Conjecture - Is B'nai Brith Civilly Liable for
Nizkor Ken McVay's Defaming Private Citizens?
Organization: Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG Smears Private Citizens
Message-ID: <a0bactklf2uar6u25...@4ax.com>
(EXCERPTS)
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Question for Hilary Ostrov
Date: 5 Jan 2001 19:07:34 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <93561m$dbm$1...@news.tht.net>
On 5 Jan 2001 19:07:34 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
wrote:
>In article <3A56274...@pop.mindspring.com>,
>Buck Turgidson <deppi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>"Jeff F. Davis" wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>> I am not sure but the B'nai Brith (which controls Nizkor by the way
>>> rather Ken admits this or not) is so powerful in Canada they had the
>>> nerve in a Canadian court that they should be able to illegally harass
>>> people because of the nature of the holocaust and all the good they have
>>> done to fight racism.
:
>>Looks like Li'l Tommy doesn't bogart HIS joints!
(Ken McVay's own documented smears):
I'd have guessed Mid-Hootch Giwerundean, actually. We used to see a
lot more of it here, but I gather the Sterno shortage of '98 led to a
steep decline.
Of course, Donnie could simply have been sniffing gasoline.
<end>
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Just In to the Tavish Hotline!...
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9a2u9u$19dg$1...@news.tht.net>
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:37:02 +0000 (UTC), <9a2u9u$19dg$1...@news.tht.net>
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
[...]
I understand that Bradbury may need money to buy an old trailer after
his house is turned into a Jewish daycare center....
I guess there's no way it'll ever be kosher, tho, what with all that
lard...
--
"...I note that on the few occasions of which I am aware where purveyors of
anti-Semitic propaganda have endeavoured to justify their materials in
court on the facts and the merits, they have been singularly unsuccessful..."
(http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/scully-olga/reason.html)
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: The wacky adventures of Matt Giwer
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic, soc.history.ancient, alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-01-24 09:47:43 PST
Of course. That's what Mr. Giwer does. (With any luck at all, we may
be entertained with Full-Hootch Giwerundean during this thread, if the
Sterno holds out.)
<end>
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Gourd McFee
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000-10-09 19:03:24 PST
In article <catamont-EB657B...@news.concentric.net>,
Sara Salzman <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
[...]
[Some drunk wrote]
[ What's more incredible is that this Susie thinks you have to count
whatever Gourd types have spent time at when all you have to do is
type in its name and there the number is. We can do the same thing
with "Susie" and get thousands and they would all be just like what
he/she/it has put out here. ]
[an understandably perplexed human with a working mind asked...]
I know the words are English, but what language is this?!
>I believe it is Full-Hooch Giwerundian. Ask Ken McVay, I believe he
>studied it a few years ago.
I must agree... the cited text has every appearance of being a sample
of Full-Hootch Giwerundean. That is quite beyond dispute.
Whether this suggests that the Moron has further degenerated to the
Full Pits or has simply begun the endless Sterno Cycle is not known.
Additional samples will, as always, provide scientists with valuable
clues.
Perhaps the real question for research scientists is this: If a Moron
ingests several gallons of Sterno, would anyone notice?
<end>
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: I can't believe this
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-02-22 17:20:07 PST
But then, as the Tampa drunk would say, you knew that.
<end>
The above was in reference to Mr. Matt Giwer.
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Are the above examples acceptable speech toward private citizens in public forum
by Ken McVay, sole operator of the WWW.NIZKOR.ORG website, and funded through
B'nai Brith with "exempt donations'?
More and more people are getting fed up with McVay and HIS smear organization
John! Care to deny the fact McVay lies about people as the examples show above?
Care to deny McVay is funded through B'nai Brith Canada? care to deny that the
Anti-dDefamation League of B'nai Brith seeks people to spy on USENETIZENS which
McVay lies about and denies as shown here:
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,bc.general,soc.culture.jewish,can.general,can.taxes
Subject: Re: CCRA CHEATED OUT OF REVENUE BY NIZKOR
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ureg9$1c70$1...@news.tht.net>
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC), <9ureg9$1c70$1...@news.tht.net>
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <1DaQ7.32476$nm3.1...@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com>,
>Stephen H. Kawamoto <shkaw...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>B-nai B-rith is also a civilian spy arm of the Jewish Anti-Defamation
>>League, the official oxymoron for the Jewish-American people who deface,
>>defame and destroy free speech that exposes their smoke-and-magick show
>>Indeed, BB is collecting information on citizens who post in alt.revisionism
>>and anywhere else articles of an anti-Semitic theme.
>>
>>I'm pointing this out as common knowledge.
:
>In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai
>Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any
>information whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet. Thank you for
>making that clear.
How about this?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=1&selm=1r8b5ton2fd134nbes57qs0g31nf5j8laj%404ax.com
From: Doc Tavish <doc_tavi...@my-deja.com>
Subject: Here Is What Nizkor's PUPPETMASTER ADL Does With Info...
Organization: McTavish Informational Services (Non-Profit)
Reply-To: doc_tavi...@my-deja.com
Message-ID: <1r8b5ton2fd134nbe...@4ax.com>
References: <932s4v$3it$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
<933399$1mds$1...@news.tht.net>
<9346ss$5ts$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:43:12 GMT
<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>
http://www.adl.org/focus_sheets/focus_overview.html
(Link active December 7, 2001 for verification purposes.)
Fighting anti-Semitism and bigotry here and abroad, the Anti-Defamation
League probes the roots of hatred against Jews and serves as a public
resource for government, media, law enforcement agencies and the public at
large. (In other words they are a Gestapo! Doc Tavish)
ANTI-SEMITISM, BIGOTRY, RACISM
ADL is America's prime resource for information on organized bigotry. The
League collects and assesses a vast amount of information on anti-Semites,
racists and extremists. After carefully evaluating information, ADL
disseminates that information through books, periodicals, videos, reports
and other materials. The League also monitors haters in cyberspace.....
<end>
Is not USENET "cyberspace"?
BTW Ken here is proof your masters monitor USENET and in their won words too!
http://www.adl.org/focus_sheets/focus_internet.html
(Link active December 7, 2001 for verification)
"HATE ON THE INTERNET
The Internet presents ADL with new opportunities and challenges. With
its information-filled Web site, ADL now reaches more people than ever --
opinion molders, the media, law enforcement...
At the same time, hate groups have taken to the Internet and World Wide
Web to propagandize and proselytize. Anti-Semites and racists are rapidly
expanding their use of the Internet, communicating with each other, preaching to
the vast majority of people who do not share their beliefs, raising funds and
threatening their enemies. ADL monitors and documents hundreds of extremist Web
sites as well as dozens of e-mail mailing lists, newsgroups and chat rooms...."
Notice that your MASTERS used the term "newsgroups"? That kind of deep sixes
your claim of: "you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at B'nai
Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any information
whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet.." It is so easy to catch you lying for
your MASTERS!
Need I say more other Nizkor's Ken McVay, ADL, and B'nai Brith are enemies of
FREE SPEECH!?
-------
Xref:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67u03u8qjo2scu6bm1ilui61js7beloc67%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Supplement- Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters- The Jews
(Corrected Second Version)...
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:58 -0600
Message-ID: <67u03u8qjo2scu6bm...@4ax.com>
[...]
http://people.brandeis.edu/~anti-defamation/committee/Hillel_monitoring.html
Do Your Student Members Want to Help ADL Fight Hate on the Internet?
As a vehicle for spreading hate, the Internet is more powerful than anything
extremists of past decades could have imagined. Using the World Wide Web,
electronic bulletin boards, chat rooms and E-mail, anti-Semites and racists
voice their ideas, hoping to recruit new supporters. Bigots also employ the
Internet to communicate with each other. Often, extremists invade the space of
unsuspecting Internet users to spread their message. Propagandists send
unsolicited E-mail messages to thousands, post off-topic messages to USENET
newsgroups, and seek to dominate the bulletin boards at mainstream Web sites.
What can be done about hate on the Internet? Practically and legally, combating
online extremism is enormously difficult. ADL does not believe that censorship
is the answer, supporting the free speech guarantees embodied in the First
Amendment of the United States Constitution. Believing that the best way to
combat hateful speech is with more speech, ADL continuously monitors and
documents Internet hate. By communicating its findings, ADL promotes public
awareness of the plans and history of online bigots. It is the League's view
that exposure will lead to rejection of haters and their propaganda.
THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE IS SEEKING STUDENT MEMBERS OF HILLEL WHO ARE
INTERESTED IN HELPING US MONITOR HATE ON THE INTERNET.
If your students are interested, all they need is a computer with Internet
access and the desire to volunteer time. Volunteers can monitor the Internet on
their own, wherever and whenever they choose. Information collected by
volunteers will be transmitted to ADL via E-mail using the attached "ADL-Hillel
Online Hate Reporting Form." Student volunteers will receive confirmation when
their reports are received and a special, periodic newsletter on the state of
hate online.
The Anti-Defamation League is requesting that volunteers monitor
publicly-available information on the Internet only. We are particularly
interested in finding out about threats of action, announcements of upcoming
events, specific information about extremist individuals, written attacks on
well-known Jewish institutions or individuals, bigoted comments on current
events, and links to new hateful Web sites. Particular areas of the Internet
that are of concern to us are Web-based chat rooms and discussion boards,
Internet Relay Chat rooms, and USENET newsgroups. As appropriate, some
volunteers may be asked to look at specific chat rooms, bulletin boards, or
USENET newsgroups in addition to general monitoring duties. ... Combating hate
on the Internet is a daunting task. Despite this, we must find a way to respond.
You and your students can play an important part by helping ADL. Please contact
us today! <end>
I thought Nizkor's Ken McVay claimed that his masters don't monitor USENET which
his previous statement declared: "[Y]ou have no evidence whatsoever that anyone
at B'nai Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any information
whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet."
The above "LIE" is from this post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=9ureg9%241c70%2...@news.tht.net&hl=en
From: kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Re: CCRA CHEATED OUT OF REVENUE BY NIZKOR
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9ureg9$1c70$1...@news.tht.net>
I now ask- how many lies have I exposed Nizkor's Ken McVay in so far in this
series of posts?
<END>
Do you still wish to continue supporting a flake who downloads naked child
images from the internet and lies about his and his masters' true agenda to act
as Net Gestapo?
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
:
>It was stupid of you to put in the URL.
It was great of you to verify that the confession was Mcvay's and that the above
isn't a forgery.
>> Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of
>> Alice in Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
:
>And?
He's interested in porn revolving around the adventures of a little girl!
>I guess you are just troubled because you have exposed yourself as a
>supporter of mass murder and as an advocate of violence against
>children.
Look who is engaging in smear now?
Doc Tavish
---I, Doc Tavish, asked:
>Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller (and Associates) and Paul
>Trainor (Law Office) distanced themselves from you?
(Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> answered):
Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
<SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com> 8/20/2001
david_michael
"Ken Lewis" <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote in message
news:3c43205b.6170093@shawnews...
> On 13 Jan 2002 05:40:49 GMT, "
> ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
> >>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
> >The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
>
> Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
> have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
> you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
I'm willing to bet that such techniques never take you to CHILD pornography
websites, Mr Lewis.
I'm willing to bet that anyone putting up such a website would very quickly
either be booted off by his ISP or have his door kicked in by the police. Or
by angry vigilantes with knives, wishing to cut parts of him off.
David
david_michael
"SW" <Adolf@Ach, it is so hot down here.com> wrote in message
news:On908.336428$ez.48...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com...
Steve Wolk, attempting to be anonymous while defending a man who has posted
to a sex group expressing an interest in a hardcore movie version of Alice
in Wonderland and who has admitted to seeing naked photos of children on the
Internet.
David
Ken Lewis
Actually, shithead, I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
up exactly that way.
And, as you well know, Ken didn't say he had seen child porn. He said
he had seen pictures of naked children. There is a difference.
But, as we well know, you won't see it because having nothing else to
offer and having no way to refute the holocaust you resort to smear
and innuendo like all your nazoid buddies.
Why don't you go dance in the streets over the dead men, women and
children killed in the WTC center? It seems it might be something you
can really get your teeth into.
Ken Lewis
,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
wrote:
><<Doc Tavish comment January 8, 2002: I am not on welfare and I am not a bum. I
Yes, but do you weigh 350 pounds? Are you morbidly obese? Are you
unable to work because you are so fucking fat you can't waddle out the
door?
david_michael
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:53:01 -0000, "david_michael"
> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Ken Lewis" <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote in message
> >news:3c43205b.6170093@shawnews...
> >> On 13 Jan 2002 05:40:49 GMT, "
> >> ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has
seen
> >> >>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
> >> >The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
>
> >> Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
> >> have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
> >> you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
>
> >I'm willing to bet that such techniques never take you to CHILD
pornography
> >websites, Mr Lewis.
>
> >I'm willing to bet that anyone putting up such a website would very
quickly
> >either be booted off by his ISP or have his door kicked in by the police.
Or
> >by angry vigilantes with knives, wishing to cut parts of him off.
>
> Actually, shithead,
Can we dispense with the bad language, please, Mr Lewis. Children might be
reading some of these newsgroups.
> I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
> up exactly that way.
And when you click on them they take you to . . . photographs of adults,
right? And, moreover, if you want to see the children you have to whip out
your credit card, right? I've heard ALL about those scams, Mr Lewis.
> And, as you well know, Ken didn't say he had seen child porn. He said
> he had seen pictures of naked children. There is a difference.
The relevant document appears to be:
http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm
From the available publicity material on the Internet, I understand the film
in question to be a film depiction of a child character, or at least a
person apparently under 18, by an actress who is of youthful appearance,
such character engaging in acts of a sexual nature. This appears to me to be
'a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not
it was made by electronic or mechanical means, that shows a person who is or
is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is
depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity'. It thus apparently falls
within the Canadian definition of 'child pornography'. As for the
photographs that Mr Ken McVay, director of Nizkor, has admitted to
downloading, whether they constitute 'child pornography' in terms of
CANADIAN law would depend upon the nature of the photographs, and all we
know at the moment was that they were obtained on the Internet and involved
naked children. Whether they would be considered child pornography in other
jurisdictions depends on the jurisdiction. In Britain a photograph of a
child apparently under 16 years who is 'naked and posed to be provocative'
would be 'child pornography', whereas you will observe that Canada has a
somewhat more tolerant definition. In Victoria, Australia, we have 'a film,
photograph, publication or computer game that describes or depicts a person
who is, or who looks like, a minor under 16 engaging in sexual activity or
depicted in an indecent manner or context' (Crimes Act, 67A). 'Naked' is
getting very close to 'indecent'. If I walked naked through the streets of
Lincolnshire there would be those who would say that this was 'indecent'
(not to mention gross). Obviously, the less tolerant, more conservative
countries would take a much harder line on photos of naked people generally.
Try taking naked photos of children (or anyone else) into Singapore or
Pakistan or China or Iran if you don't believe me!
> But, as we well know, you won't see it because having nothing else to
> offer and having no way to refute the holocaust
Now why would I want to do that?
> you resort to smear
> and innuendo like all your nazoid buddies.
>
> Why don't you go dance in the streets over the dead men, women and
> children killed in the WTC center? It seems it might be something you
> can really get your teeth into.
Well you seem very upset that Mr McVay has been exposed in this way so it is
perhaps understandable that you are a little incoherent. I am sorry that it
has caused you such distress. However, I should point out to you that Mr
McVay has been very ruthless in trying to discredit and smear his political
opponents. It is thus inevitable that his victims and their allies should
take a close look at his background. He once said to me: 'that's life in the
fast lane'. It is indeed.
David
Ken Lewis
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>> Actually, shithead,
>Can we dispense with the bad language, please, Mr Lewis. Children might be
>reading some of these newsgroups.
Can we dispense with the moral superiority, shithead? You have no
moral authority over anyone as is evidenced by your posts.
If you'd stop being a shithead, I'd stop calling you that. Since your
morality is dwn there with sewer rats, I'll call you what I wish.
>> I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
>> up exactly that way.
>And when you click on them they take you to . . . photographs of adults,
>right? And, moreover, if you want to see the children you have to whip out
>your credit card, right? I've heard ALL about those scams, Mr Lewis.
No doubt you've seen them also.
No, shithead, you can get carried to some strange places on the
Internet.
That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
in Britain slipped this badly?
>The relevant document appears to be:
>http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm
Which doesn't say that 'seeing' naked children on the net is a crime.
Tsk. Tsk. Such deplorable reding skills, shithead.
>From the available publicity material on the Internet, I understand the film
>in question to be a film depiction of a child character, or at least a
>person apparently under 18, by an actress who is of youthful appearance,
You will, of course, provide us with the URL's to this information so
we can check for ourselves? Not that we think you'd lie or misdirect
us, shithead.
Having worked in a video store at one time I have seen a number of
adult films with spoofed names.
>within the Canadian definition of 'child pornography'. As for the
>photographs that Mr Ken McVay, director of Nizkor, has admitted to
>downloading, whether they constitute 'child pornography' in terms of
You see, shithead, that is why we can never believe a thing you say.
It's this habit of lying that you have. Ken never said he had
downloaded anything. To bad. So sad. You are shown as the twisted fuck
you are once again.
>jurisdictions depends on the jurisdiction. In Britain a photograph of a
>child apparently under 16 years who is 'naked and posed to be provocative'
>would be 'child pornography', whereas you will observe that Canada has a
>somewhat more tolerant definition. In Victoria, Australia, we have 'a film,
>photograph, publication or computer game that describes or depicts a person
>who is, or who looks like, a minor under 16 engaging in sexual activity or
Laws change dailey, shithead. For a while last summer possession of
gross child porography was not illegal. The law has since beem
changed.
That is neither here nor there.
>depicted in an indecent manner or context' (Crimes Act, 67A). 'Naked' is
>getting very close to 'indecent'. If I walked naked through the streets of
>Lincolnshire there would be those who would say that this was 'indecent'
If YOU did walk down the streets of Lincolnshire I am sure it would be
a pornographic act.
>> But, as we well know, you won't see it because having nothing else to
>> offer and having no way to refute the holocaust
>Now why would I want to do that?
I guess you wouldn't having tried and failed so often.
>> you resort to smear
>> and innuendo like all your nazoid buddies.
>> Why don't you go dance in the streets over the dead men, women and
>> children killed in the WTC center? It seems it might be something you
>> can really get your teeth into.
>Well you seem very upset that Mr McVay has been exposed in this way so it is
>perhaps understandable that you are a little incoherent. I am sorry that it
>has caused you such distress. However, I should point out to you that Mr
Not distressed at all, old chap. I'm my regular good natured self.
Mr. McVay has not been exposed at all but YOUR slip is showing. Again.
Do try not to lie. It tarnishes your already blackened image.
Ta Ta.
KCOM
"Mike McGee" <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:Oz708.13749$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net...
>
> "KCOM" <KC...@Bastard.com> wrote in message
> news:9e114ugg0vhf49ikr...@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:20:13 -0600, "Mike McGee"
> > <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> why don't you e-mail or call ellis and tell him yourself.
> --
I just did Ellis
Steve
Mike McGee
So you have viewed images of naked children? Did you they are illegal?
Mike McGee
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:32 -0000, "david_michael"
> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >> Actually, shithead,
>
> >Can we dispense with the bad language, please, Mr Lewis. Children might
be
> >reading some of these newsgroups.
>
> Can we dispense with the moral superiority, shithead? You have no
> moral authority over anyone as is evidenced by your posts.
>
> If you'd stop being a shithead, I'd stop calling you that. Since your
> morality is dwn there with sewer rats, I'll call you what I wish.
>
> >> I have had popup adverts for child porn sites come
> >> up exactly that way.
>
> >And when you click on them they take you to . . . photographs of adults,
> >right? And, moreover, if you want to see the children you have to whip
out
> >your credit card, right? I've heard ALL about those scams, Mr Lewis.
>
> No doubt you've seen them also.
>
> No, shithead, you can get carried to some strange places on the
> Internet.
Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
> That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
> children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
> is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
> in Britain slipped this badly?
>
> >The relevant document appears to be:
>
> >http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm
>
> Which doesn't say that 'seeing' naked children on the net is a crime.
> Tsk. Tsk. Such deplorable reding skills, shithead.
Wrong. Images of naked children is child pornography.
Mike McGee
"SW" <Adolf@Ach, it is so hot down here.com> wrote in message
news:On908.336428$ez.48...@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com...
>
> news:3c3f...@212.67.96.135...
> >
> > <kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
> > news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
> > > [Follow-ups set]
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a
faith;
> > > at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and
reasons."
> > > (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p.
19)
> > > The Nizkor Project:
http://www.nizkor.org
> >
> >
> > Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
> > photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
>
>
> too long to be bothered by your childish calumny
Then why did McVay dodge the draft.
> sw
>
>
>
,.,
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
><kmc...@nizkor.org.nospam> wrote in message
>news:a1og4o$c2p$1...@news.tht.net...
>> [Follow-ups set]
>
><snip>
>
>> "The antisemite has chosen hate because hate is a faith;
>> at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons."
>> (Sarte. Antisemite and Jew, p. 19)
>> The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
:
>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
>
><begin quote>
>'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
>any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
><end quote>
>
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Link active for verification: January 13, 2002)
For McVay to say: "I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen photos
of naked children..." he would have had to DOWNLOAD those images which is a
crime both in Canada and the United States! Thanks for the admission that you
are an alleged pedophile Ken McVay and I imagine that your funding agency, B'nai
Brith could care less too! Proof that B'nai Brith is the funding arm of Ken
McVay and his Nizkor:
<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>
http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadian receipt)
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its cooperative affiliation
with the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a
national volunteer organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism,
racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians.
Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their donation may
call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224, and advise the receptionist
that they wish to make a donation to the Nizkor Project; If you prefer,
you can print this form and send to:
The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8
Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________
Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's
memo section. A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used to
build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that all of your donation
be invested for Nizkor's future needs, please earmark your cheque or draft
with the notation 'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only. (All bequests
should be to the 'Nizkor Endowment Fund, Care of The League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)
Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]
-----------------------
For anyone wishing to contact B'nai Brith by e-mail etc. here is the contact
info if you all wish to ask them why they fund a person who admits to
downloading and viewing "naked children" photos from the internet:
E-mail: b...@bnaibrith.ca
B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 4Y8
Tel.: (416) 633-6224
Fax : (416) 630-2159
Everyone may wish to ask the RCMP and Canadian Embassy what they think of a
naked children aficionado downloading naked children images and receiving exempt
donations from B'nai Brith:
webm...@canadianembassy.org, he...@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Chris...@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
What do you all think now knowing that Canadian revenue payers are indirectly
financing Ken McVay and his web site Nizkor? And yes The Nizkor Project and Ken
McVay are one and the same as this GEEKTOOLS query shows:
http://www.geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi
Whois: nizkor.org
Registrant:
The Nizkor Project
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9
CA
Domain: NIZKOR.ORG
Registrar: DomainBank.com
Administrative Contact:
McVay, Kenneth KMC...@VERITAS.NIZKOR.ORG
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9
CA 416-966-0461
Technical Contact:
McVay, Kenneth kmc...@nizkor.org
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9
CA 416-966-0461
Zone Contact:
McVay, Kenneth kmc...@nizkor.org
P.O. Box 244, Station A
Nanaimo, BC V9R5K9
CA 416-966-0461
Record created on 07-18-1996
Record expires on 07-17-2002
Database last updated 01-12-2002 07:40:23 PM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS.VEX.NET 216.126.72.30
NS2.REPTILES.ORG 192.75.253.138
<end>
If you want more information on Flim Flam man Ken McVay just read this archive I
prepared of his unethical funding practices:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=icu03ukfg65i3rrq5fj7m8dpma74l9k3r6%404ax.com&rnum=3
Subject: Updated WWW.NIZKOR.ORG's Fully Documented Blatant Dishonesty About its
Funding Made Public (For Submission to CCRA) R 31
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:43:44 -0600
Message-ID: <icu03ukfg65i3rrq5...@4ax.com>
You will see positive proof that McVay has phoney endowment and trust funds
propped up by the money laundering of B'nai Brith Canada. These links show how
McVay and his masters are seeking to end free speech worldwide:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=e8u03ugq1fph4b3qjak728i0uo4h0pvg24%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters-
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:52 -0600
Message-ID: <e8u03ugq1fph4b3qj...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=67u03u8qjo2scu6bm1ilui61js7beloc67%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Supplement- Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters-
(Corrected Second Version)...
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:42:58 -0600
Message-ID: <67u03u8qjo2scu6bm...@4ax.com>
See how McVay and his allies try to divert that McVay's Masters spy on USENET:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=686a2u03c5lad2t4jcnuhh08fvvcd3eaip%404ax.com&rnum=12
Subject: I Slam Dunk Ken Lewis Over and Over and Over Again! Will He Come Back
For More? For Certain He Will-- Being the Hard Head He Is!
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 17:59:19 -0600
Message-ID: <686a2u03c5lad2t4j...@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=feu72uk03qb1afma3na2ago17rprq8ghk6%404ax.com&rnum=15
Subject: SUPPLEMENT: I Slam Dunk The Two Kens Again! ...
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:50:38 -0600
Message-ID: <feu72uk03qb1afma3...@4ax.com>
You will see one proof right after another of Ken McVay's disgusting dishonesty
and it is all fully documented in the manner you all expect of my posts! Read
all the above archives and be astonished at the filth, dishonesty, and the
conspiratorial alliance to end free speech and expression over the Internet.
NOTE: Strange that Ken McVay's money launderers are mute about McVay' lusts for
kiddie porn images isn't it?
>Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
>Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
So McVay gets off to porn involving little girls too! Alice in Wonderland is an
adventure by a young girl is it not? See what sort of knave Ken McVay is?
><begin quote>
>From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
>Newsgroups: alt.sex
>Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
>Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
>Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
>References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
>Lines: 8
>Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>
>>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
:
>I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
>entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
>another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
>or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
>
>Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
><end quote>
Yep, as can be seen, Ken McVay is heavy into porn-- child porn!!
Doc Tavish On The Spot
,.,
kml...@nospam.shaww.ca (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>On 13 Jan 2002 06:35:17 GMT, "
>,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
>wrote:
>
>
>><<Doc Tavish comment January 8, 2002: I am not on welfare and I am not a bum. I
:
>Yes, but do you weigh 350 pounds?
NO!
>Are you morbidly obese?
NO!
>Are you unable to work because you are so fucking fat you can't waddle out the
>door?
NO!
Lieas, smears, and personal attack is all you vermin have when your caught and
exposed for being the very filth you are. You learned quite well from your
Soviet brthren on smear techniques!
Your smear will not counter the real truth and that truth is:
DROP DEAD KEN LEWIS!
Doc Tavish
,.,
" ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail> wrote:
To put a face on the above person who admits seeing pictures of "naked children"
off the internet:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
The photo above is an enlarged view of the picture featured in this official
Canadian Gov't document:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm
Kenneth McVay - Nanaimo
Kenneth McVay has been described as an "ordinary man who refused to concede the
Internet to the purveyors of hate." But the crusade he undertook to root out and
expose electronic hate literature was anything but ordinary. ... <end>
The article does not mention:
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society)." Ken McVay OBC
I wonder why! Child porn is more of an insidious threat than the speech McVay
and his masters call "hate-speech."
According to Ken McVay's NIZKOR funding agency B'nai Brith's sidekick ADL all
one has to do to be "anti-Semitic" and use "hate-speech" is to: make "written
attacks on well-known Jewish institutions or individuals" which is taken from
this: "The Anti-Defamation League is requesting that volunteers monitor
publicly-available information on the Internet only. We are particularly
interested in ... written attacks on well-known Jewish institutions or
individuals, bigoted comments on current events ... Particular areas of the
Internet that are of concern to us are Web-based chat rooms and discussion
boards, Internet Relay Chat rooms, and USENET newsgroups."
[Special Note: The above proves that Nizkor's Ken McVay is a bold faced liar
when he claimed: "In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that anyone at
B'nai Brith Canada, or B'nai B'rith, or the ADL is collecting any
information whatsoever on anyone posting to UseNet. Thank you for
making that clear." Ken McVay Message ID: 9ureg9$1c70$1...@news.tht.net Date:
2001-12-07 14:06:02 PST]
The above is quoted from this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=432k3uorm6hk9q484q65renoa3tenck7dm%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Supplement- Nizkor's Ken McVay Spin Doctors for His Masters- The Jews
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:45:47 -0600
Message-ID: <432k3uorm6hk9q484...@4ax.com>
Need I say more?
Doc Tavish
,.,
kml...@nospam.shaww.ca (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>On 13 Jan 2002 05:40:49 GMT, "
>,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has seen
>>>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
:
>>The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
:
>Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
>have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
>you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
Looks like you lurk in all the wrong places just as the sewer rat vermin you are
you pop up in a garbage dump.
I HAVE NEVER BEEN TAKEN TO A CHILD PORN WEB SITE PERIOD!!
>>http://www.spectacle.org/
>>(Going to the above link will prove that spectacle.org invades your privacy. I
>>noticed after the page took time to download a message popped up bearing my name
>>saying: "Hi Robert Scott B Your payment supports the Ethical Spectacle. Click
:
>It doesn't happen when I go there. Maybe because they are out to get
>you, Bradshit. Maybe we are ALL out to get you.
Thanks for the admission you psychopath!
>>The above proves beyond any doubt that Nizkor's Ken McVay has, in fact,
>>downloaded images of little boy and little girl nude photographs which is, in
:
>It proves only that Bradshit is sucking for a libel suit and that his
>logic and reasoning powers have been atrophied by all the fat in his
>head.
Truth is truth and for a fact- for Ken McVay to have viewed pictures of "naked
children" he would have had to download them as his very own spoken words
indicate:
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
<end quote>
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
(Link active for verification January 13, 2002)
As for a libel suit-- McVay is the one who admitted to viewing pictures of
"naked children" over the internet and then saying in addition: "[I] fail
to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society" which surely
indicates that they weren't pictures that just popped up uninvited! Clearly
McVay condones pictures of "naked children" being made available over the
internet! I'd imagine any jury would see so too!
>>unsavory activity. A picture is worth a thousand words and McVay looks like a
>>hardened amoral type!
>
>>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.htm
:
>By that logic, Bradshit, I am sure if we had a picture of you we'd be
>able to use it to confine you to a state mental institution where you
>belong.
Personal attack is about all you have isn't it? You just don't like having one
of your bum-buddies exposed for the true knave and hypocrite he is!
>>Need I say more other than RCMP is not doing its job!?
:
>Ahh. The GRU. The finest police force in the world. I'd rather have
>one RCMP officer by my side than a hundred Texas county mounties. The
>RCMP knows a nut when they hear one, Bradshit. That is why you are
>ignored.
If they ignore people who download pictures of "naked children" from the
internet and make comments such as: "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child
porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, ... and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society)." then they aren't supporting their rule
of law and by doing such they show they are corrupted.
Doc Tavish
--
"First a gentle tapping, soft touch, as he marks the place the
cane will fall. I brace myself, plead with myself to hold position,
knowing each stroke brings a fire hotter than any flame.
Five strokes. Six. I have not moved. As the pain from each begins
to subside, a soft, half-sob. "Thank you, Master."
Eight. Nine. My knees give out, and I fall to the bed, sobbing. But
immediately back on my knees again. "Thank you, Master."
Ten. I am aware of nothing, save the pain. And his voice, as I am
commanded to orgasm, not from stimulation, not from his fingers or his
cock, but from pain alone." -- Kook Sara Salzman having a perverted
,.,
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Said to loud lout Ken Lewis:
>Well you seem very upset that Mr McVay has been exposed in this way so it is
>perhaps understandable that you are a little incoherent. I am sorry that it
>has caused you such distress. However, I should point out to you that Mr
>McVay has been very ruthless in trying to discredit and smear his political
>opponents. It is thus inevitable that his victims and their allies should
>take a close look at his background. He once said to me: 'that's life in the
>fast lane'. It is indeed.
>
>David
AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN!!
Doc Tavish
---
"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." -- Kook Sara Salzman having a perverted fantasy
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <W1h08.13788$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
[snip]
> Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
[snip]
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
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Mike McGee
"John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
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> In <W1h08.13788$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
> on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
> <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
>
> I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
>
> [snip]
>
Pop-Up Stopper 2.6 - FREE version is a completely FREE product that is not
spyware or adware. This product runs as a system tray icon next to your
system clock.
Eliminate Internet Explorer and Netscape 4.x pop-up windows without
adjusting proxy settings.
Play a sound to notify you when a pop-up has been blocked
Stop pop-under windows, such as X10 pop-ups
Save Bandwidth by never even loading pop-ups
Now even easier to Install and configure, and easier to control - read our
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Protect children from inappropriate material in pop-ups
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Go here John:
http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html
It's a really small file and it works great. No ads or other crap to worry
over.You'll have to scroll down the page to get the free version.
Hope this helps.
sw
Attempting to be anonymous? ROTFLMFAO! You are one daft asshole, therapist
psycho michael. Did I sign my post 'Big Hairy Spider'? No, I signed it as
I always do. You're lame attempt to do the same thing with McVay that you
tried with Scot Murphy is doomed to failure, just as all your past attempts
at intimidation have failed. Didn't work then and it won't work now, little
man. All you accomplish is making more and more people aware of just how
contemptible you are. Like when you wrote:
> > > Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
> truly
> > > wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have turned
> around
> > > and have shown that they do not have to be nature's eternal victims.
> They
> > > have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the powerless can
strike
> back
> > > at the very heart of the dark forces that are oppressing them. This
time
> it
> > > was not Palestinian children who cowered in fear as death came from
the
> > > skies -- this time it was the very fat bankers and financiers who
> sustain
> > > the terroristic regime of Sharon. This time it was those very military
> men
> > > who mastermind the attacks on the women and children of Iraq. They
> thought
> > > they were so safe as they planned death and destruction from their
> > > comfortable offices in the Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals
> in
> > > the World Trade Center. Now they have been given a bloody nose that
they
> > > will never forget.
> > >
> > > Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
> > >
> > > Death to American capitalism!
> > >
> > > Death to international finance!
sw
The therapist psycho seems to know all about how child-porn websites
operate. I wonder why.
sw
Hilary Ostrov
"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
[...]
> and who has admitted to seeing naked photos
Omigod ... "NAKED PHOTOS" on the 'net?! Whatever will they think of
next?!
[...]
hro [ trying to picture a "naked photo", and imagining that it
probably looks somewhat like the "brain" of a guinea pig]
=====================
Hilary Ostrov
E-mail: hos...@telus.net
WWW: http://www3.telus.net/myssiwyg/
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
[Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
>children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
>is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
>in Britain slipped this badly?
Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which explains how
"I have seen pictures of naked children on the net" into "He admitted
downloading child pornography," or "He has seen child pornography."
It's about what one can expect from a man like Mr. Michael, who
praised the attack upon the World Trade Center. That pretty well
defines him, I think.
david_michael
"sw" <d...@e.com> wrote in message news:a1sijl$jk$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
I actually said that I did not believe it possible to stumble across one by
accident. I further said that I had never done so myself, and that I
suspected that any such website would either be taken down by its ISP, or
would attract the attention of law enforcement. Now if you, a Nizkor
supporter, wish to misrepresent those statements as an indication that I
'know all about how child-porn websites operate', I think you'll succeed
only in illustrating once again, the fundamental dishonesty of Nizkor as an
organization.
But what can we expect from a Nizkor supporter? After all, your director, Mr
Ken McVay, did express the following views:
<begin quote>
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
<end quote>
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Mr McVay expressing interest in a hardcore pornography version of Alice in
Wonderland while posting to alt.sex:
<begin quote>
From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
References: <137...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.2...@amherst.bitnet>
Lines: 8
Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990
>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.
I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful movie
entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial resemblance to
another movie of the same name....I've been trying to find a copy for years,
or at least to rent one....last time I viewed it was around 1983....
Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)
<end quote>
David
david_michael
"Hilary Ostrov" <hos...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:59:25 -0000, in <3c41...@212.67.96.135>,
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > and who has admitted to seeing naked photos
>
> Omigod ... "NAKED PHOTOS" on the 'net?! Whatever will they think of
> next?!
>
A '40-second BJ on the Mad Hatter' apparently.
David
sw
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> In <W1h08.13788$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
> on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
> <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
>
> I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html
sw
>
david_michael
"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
news:a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net...
> In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
> Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
> [Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
Hahahaha! I just *knew* I wouldn't stay out of that famous killfile for
long!
> >That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
> >children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
> >is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
> >in Britain slipped this badly?
>
> Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which explains how
> "I have seen pictures of naked children on the net" into "He admitted
> downloading child pornography," or "He has seen child pornography."
Mr McVay, the director of Nizkor and leader of the anti-revisionist
movement, by contrast manages to turn a pornographic movie depicting a child
engaged in 'a 40-second BJ on the Mad Hatter' as 'a clever musical takeoff
on the Alice in Wonderland theme'.
David
Kurt Knoll
discussion group but you snip part of the
conversation of your opponent of. In my book this is cheating or are you
trying to confuse others.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
news:a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net...
Ken Lewis
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>[Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>
>>That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
>>children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
>>is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
>>in Britain slipped this badly?
>
>Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which explains how
>"I have seen pictures of naked children on the net" into "He admitted
>downloading child pornography," or "He has seen child pornography."
>
>It's about what one can expect from a man like Mr. Michael, who
>praised the attack upon the World Trade Center. That pretty well
>defines him, I think.
Yes, David has shown us what real child pornographyy is.
Ken Lewis
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>Wrong. Images of naked children is child pornography.
Not under the law. Read it sometime.
Kenneth McVay, OBC
sw
Donnie, even a dunce like you should know that a question ends with a "?".
Anyway, he didn't. He served in the Marines. Now, Donnie, tell us about
YOUR military service. I suspect, if you served, it was on permanent
latrine duty. Is that where you learned to practice coprophagy?
sw
sw
" ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail> wrote
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:16:45 GMT, <3c423406.11206316@shawnews>
> kml...@nospam.shaww.ca (Ken Lewis) wrote:
>
> >On 13 Jan 2002 06:35:17 GMT, "
> >,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >><<Doc Tavish comment January 8, 2002: I am not on welfare and I am not a
bum. I
> :
> >Yes, but do you weigh 350 pounds?
>
> NO!
More like 450.
>
> >Are you morbidly obese?
>
> NO!
And Mt. Everest isn't tall.
>
> >Are you unable to work because you are so fucking fat you can't waddle
out the
> >door?
>
> NO!
He's unable to work because any increase in Fatbury's blood pressure may
cause a stroke. We can only hope.
Fatbury"s in Bellville's tall grass,
He's as big as the Asian land mass,
The state's D.O.T. saw him
Put a license plate on him,
Now Scott is ID'd by his ass.
sw
Daniel Keren
# Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
## That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
## children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
## is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
## in Britain slipped this badly?
# Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which
# explains how "I have seen pictures of naked children on the
# net" into "He admitted downloading child pornography," or "He
# has seen child pornography."
#
# It's about what one can expect from a man like Mr. Michael, who
# praised the attack upon the World Trade Center. That pretty well
# defines him, I think.
Indeed. But there's more; he openly endorsed inflicting physical
violence upon innocent children:
<begin quote>
From: David.E.Michael (david.e...@mars.co.universe)
Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000/07/04
Fergus McClelland wrote:
[...]
> If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would it
> justify kicking his mother, father and children?
>
> Of course it would not.
If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes it
would.
David
<end quote>
-Danny Keren.
Charles Don Hall
> news:su934u8nkerpo9q3a...@4ax.com...
>> > Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
>>
>> I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
>
> http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html
The Proxomitron is another good one...
--
======================================
Charles Don Hall, Licensed Philosopher
======================================
Daniel Keren
# Mr McVay, the director of Nizkor and leader of the
# anti-revisionist movement, by contrast manages to turn
# a pornographic movie depicting a child engaged [...]
As posted a few times already, the performer was not a child;
she is described as being a "former Playboy bunny" during the
filming of the movie; therefore, obviously, she was no child.
And, obviously, David E. Michael will continue to lie and
claim she was.
So Mr. McVay saw a porno flick. Big deal - so have, I assume,
more than 100 million North Americans.
But look who's lecturing us - David E. Michael, the revolting,
verminous slime who endorses inflicting physical violence upon
innocent children. The nerve!
Daniel Keren
upon innocent children:
Gord McFee
david_michael wrote:
>
> "Ken Lewis" <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote in message
> news:3c43205b.6170093@shawnews...
> > ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
> >
> > Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
> > have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
> > you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
>
> I'm willing to bet that such techniques never take you to CHILD pornography
> websites, Mr Lewis.
You may bet all you want, but you are wrong.
> I'm willing to bet that anyone putting up such a website would very quickly
> either be booted off by his ISP or have his door kicked in by the police. Or
> by angry vigilantes with knives, wishing to cut parts of him off.
Really? Who pushed in your ally Don Ellis' door when he posted pictures
of men eating each other excrement - pictures which *you* said should be
seen by children? Certainly not you, hypocrite supremeo. And now you
try to go after McVay?
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
,.,
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>[Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>
>>That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
>>children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
>>is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
>>in Britain slipped this badly?
:
>Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which explains how
>"I have seen pictures of naked children on the net" into "He admitted
>downloading child pornography," or "He has seen child pornography."
>
>It's about what one can expect from a man like Mr. Michael ...
Smear and sniping deleted. There is no way you could "seen pictures of naked
children on the net" without them being downloaded into YOUR computer! Live with
it McVay! You also stated: "[I] fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger
to our society.." which means you give your approval to photos of "naked
children" being distributed on the net. Remember you did freely make an
"admission of fact" in which you stated: "I am weary of seeing the issue of
"child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since
1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children.." That statement looks like you've seen a whole
lot of photos of "naked children" in your browsings!
Better read this McVay if you think you're not breaking the law when you view
those photos of "naked children":
http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/telegraph-journal.23mar99.html
Need I say more other than doesn't this photo of Mcvay look like an unsavory
personality type?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
Doc Tavish
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david_michael
> In article <a1spbn$pf5$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, sw <d...@e.com> wrote:
> >
> >"John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >news:su934u8nkerpo9q3a...@4ax.com...
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> >>
> >> In <W1h08.13788$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
> >> on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
> >> <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> > Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
> >>
> >> I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
> >
> >
> >http://www.panicware.com/product_dpps.html
>
> KILLAD is effective, too:
>
> http://www.toccatas.com/freebooks/killad.zip
Were you using it when you viewed pictures of naked children on the
Internet?
Oh yes -- and I've rumbled your dishonest little trick of setting followups
so that many newsgroups don't see replies to your posts. Quite the little
Goebbels, aren't ya, with all this information management . . .
David
<begin quote>
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
Gord McFee
> > On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 06:53:01 -0000, "david_michael"
> >
> > >
> > >"Ken Lewis" <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote in message
> > >news:3c43205b.6170093@shawnews...
> > >> On 13 Jan 2002 05:40:49 GMT, "
> > >> ,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >>Mr Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project, admitting that he has
> seen
> > >> >>photographs of naked children on the Internet:
> >
> > >> >The ONLY way he could have done such is to download them!
> >
> > >> Your an idiot still. That is NOT the only way. Is the only way you
> > >> have ever hit a pornographic website is because you went to it or have
> > >> you been carried there sometimes by fake links?
> >
> > >I'm willing to bet that such techniques never take you to CHILD
> pornography
> > >websites, Mr Lewis.
> >
> quickly
> > >either be booted off by his ISP or have his door kicked in by the police.
> Or
> > >by angry vigilantes with knives, wishing to cut parts of him off.
> >
>
> Can we dispense with the bad language, please, Mr Lewis. Children might be
> reading some of these newsgroups.
Oh, so it was you who taught Don Ellis that line.
(1) David Michael states his position on the terrorist murder of over
3000 people on September 11, 2001 in the attacks in New York, Washington
and Pennsylvania.
<quote>
Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the
powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces that are
oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children who cowered
in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was the very fat
bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime of Sharon.
This time it was those very military men who mastermind the attacks on
the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were so safe as they
planned death and destruction from their comfortable offices in the
Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the World Trade Center.
Now they have been given a bloody nose that they will never forget.
Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
Death to American capitalism!
Death to international finance!
David Michael
Message-ID: <3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100
</quote>
(2) When challenged with: "You applaud the terror and killing of
thousands of innocent people perpetrated by the terrorists who attacked
the Pentagon and attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center, calling
their actions "a wonderful thing," the day the attacks occurred a
"glorious day," and finishing by fervently wishing for "many more" such
days.", his response is:
"I do indeed."
Message-ID: <3bae...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:26:45 +0100
(3) To a debating opponent who doesn't share his admiration for
terrorism:
<quote>
All I can say in response to your filthy remark is that I very much hope
that, if there is an anthrax attack on America, your loved ones fall
victim to it so that you get a dose of your own putrid medicine.
</quote>
Message-ID: <3bc9...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:34:44 +0100
(4) In response to Joe Bruno:
[Bruno]
> I ask you now to reconsider your position. I wonder if it might have
> been rooted in a momentary anger about something. The people of
> England have a long tradition of respect for law and human life. Are
> you renouncing that tradition?
[Michael]
My only regret, Bruno, is that you were not at the very top of the New
York World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.02010...@posting.google.com>
Date: 2 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0800
david_michael
"Daniel Keren" <dke...@world.std.com> wrote in message
news:GpwA0...@world.std.com...
As I indicated when you raised exactly the same point in another thread,
this indicates not only your complete lack of a sense of humour but also
your increasing desperation in your frantic attempts to smear me.
You also want to detract attention from these remarks by your leader, Nizkor
director Ken McVay, in which he appears to display rather unorthodox views
on the subject of child pornography:
,.,
What does what David Michael said about WTC 911 have to do with Ken McVay being
a condoner of child porn? What David said was stupid and I severely criticized
him for saying such and even to the point of agreeing with Jeffrey G. Brown of
all people BUT this current diversion will not make the fact go away that McVay
approves of "naked children" photos being on the internet. Live with it Gord!
McVay is seedy.
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Doc Tavish
Steven Mock
> You also want to detract attention from these remarks by your leader, Nizkor
> director Ken McVay, in which he appears to display rather unorthodox views
> on the subject of child pornography:
>
> <begin quote>
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
> <end quote>
So what's so unorthodox, Dr. Michael? All he's saying in this quote is
that he doesn't consider naked children to be sexual objects.
If anyone has the problem, it is the person who, in reading this quote,
takes it as a given that naked children *are* sexual objects.
That person would be you.
Steven Mock
--
"Nobody objects to the truth being written and published, but free
speech does not include the right to peddle vicious lies for profit."
- David Irving
<http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/books/Guttenplan/SMH0609101.html#note>
Kurt Knoll
pornography. While in
Italy I too a picture of a Naked Angel flying around in the Church is this
Pornographic photography. In the 1910 I seen
a picture of my parents on the Beach the did have a swimming suit covering
them from to bottom. Will
this times come back ?.
Kurt Knoll.
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"Ken Lewis" <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote in message
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Brian Blank
<John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
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>In <W1h08.13788$Xs4.3...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
>on Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:53:22 -0600, "Mike McGee"
><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Did you know there are free programs that kill pop-ups?
>
>I didn't know that. Can you recommend one?
>
I use Popup Killer. You can find it at
http://software.xfx.net/utilities/popupkiller/
Only trouble with it is that sometimes it mistakes part of a page for
a Popup so you have to disable it then reload.
Regards,
Brian Blank
Kurt Knoll
sound and you
have to disable the pop up stopper to get the sound back.
Kurt Knoll. at: http://www.yellowhead16.net/~kknoll/midway.html
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"Brian Blank" <nota...@earthlink.spamblocker.net> wrote in message
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Gord McFee
Since when is Ken McVay a "condoner" of child porn?
> What David said was stupid and I severely criticized
> him for saying such and even to the point of agreeing with Jeffrey G. Brown of
> all people BUT this current diversion will not make the fact go away that McVay
> approves of "naked children" photos being on the internet. Live with it Gord!
Look what David Michael agrees with. Do you "condone" that?
David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
<quote>
[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
be allowed to view it]
> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from seeing
> such filth on his website?
[David Michael]
I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
the sort
of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it at an
early age then
they will be better able to deal with it and perhaps to help to
overthrow it.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
Philip Mathews
>
> "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> news:a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net...
> > In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
> > Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
> >
> > [Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>
>
> Hahahaha! I just *knew* I wouldn't stay out of that famous killfile for
> long!
He's responding to someone else, idiot.
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing
knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
Samuel Johnson
Gord McFee
david_michael wrote:
>
> "Kenneth McVay, OBC" <kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org> wrote in message
> news:a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net...
> > In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
> > Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
> >
> > [Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>
> Hahahaha! I just *knew* I wouldn't stay out of that famous killfile for
> long!
Really?
David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
<quote>
[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
be allowed to view it]
> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from seeing such filth on his website?
[David Michael]
I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
perhaps to help to overthrow it.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
Davy Michael is splattered again.
Brian Blank
<kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:
>Not only that if your are logged in a web site with sound it will kill the
>sound and you
>have to disable the pop up stopper to get the sound back.
>
>Kurt Knoll. at: http://www.yellowhead16.net/~kknoll/midway.html
>===========
Oh, I can't say that I have ever encountered that problem. In fact I
viewed your site and heard the music OK.
Regards,
Brian Blank
SW
> news:a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net...
> > In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
> > Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
> >
> > [Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>
>
> Hahahaha! I just *knew* I wouldn't stay out of that famous killfile for
> long!
>
Hahahaha! He was responding to Ken Lewis, you stupid git.
sw
SW
Gord McFee <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3C4230D7...@sympatico.ca...
ROTFLMFAO! Just like an over-ripe tomato up against a brick wall.
sw
SW
> >
> > "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3c41...@212.67.96.135...
> > >
> > > > up exactly that way.
> > >
> > > And when you click on them they take you to . . . photographs of
adults,
> > > right? And, moreover, if you want to see the children you have to whip
> out
> > > your credit card, right? I've heard ALL about those scams, Mr Lewis.
> >
> >
> > The therapist psycho seems to know all about how child-porn websites
> > operate. I wonder why.
> >
> > sw
>
> I actually said that I did not believe it possible to stumble across one
by
> accident. I further said that I had never done so myself, and that I
> suspected that any such website would either be taken down by its ISP, or
> would attract the attention of law enforcement. Now if you, a Nizkor
> supporter, wish to misrepresent those statements as an indication that I
> 'know all about how child-porn websites operate', I think you'll succeed
> only in illustrating once again, the fundamental dishonesty of Nizkor as
an
> organization.
Actually, you posted quite a bit more. How convenient of you to forget
about the part with the credit card, et al. Par for the course, however,
for the therapist psycho, who would be better off paying more attention to
his failing practice. Have your patients (or what is left of them) seen
this?
>
> > Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
> > truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
> > turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
> > eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the
> > powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces that are
> > oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children who cowered
> > in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was the very fat
> > bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime of Sharon.
> > This time it was those very military men who mastermind the attacks on
> > the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were so safe as they
> > planned death and destruction from their comfortable offices in the
> > Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the World Trade Center.
> > Now they have been given a bloody nose that they will never forget.
> >
> > Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
> >
> > Death to American capitalism!
> >
> > Death to international finance!
> >
> > David Michael
sw
Cuddles^-^
<snip troll attempt>
> Davy Michael is splattered again.
>
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
Isn't it strange how, as soon as I start exposing your leader, Ken McVay,
and his filthy activities, hundreds of posts are suddenly forged in my name
to try to shut me up.
Doesn't work though.
This is what McVay and his associates don't want readers to see:
<begin quote>
'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
<end quote>
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
IIIII
<Cuddles^-^@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
You need to crosspost to every Canadian news group you can! Shiff won't dare
sporge his Canadians and besides the Canadians need to know about McVay seeing
how they subsidize him through B'nai Brith receiving and laundering "exempt
donations" for McVay.
Try adding these news groups to your postings:
bc.general,can.general,tor.general,wi.general,ab.general
Each post to those news groups is like a whip lash to McVay!
>"Gord McFee" <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:3C4230D7...@sympatico.ca...
>
><snip troll attempt>
>
>> Davy Michael is splattered again.
>>
>> --
>> Gord McFee
>> I'll write no line before its time
>
>Isn't it strange how, as soon as I start exposing your leader, Ken McVay,
>and his filthy activities, hundreds of posts are suddenly forged in my name
>to try to shut me up.
That is what Laurence B. Shiff does to me every time I post about McVay's
funding.
Need I say more?
Doc Tavish
--Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
alone with your children?
Ken Lewis
,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:36:43 +0000 (UTC), <a1snkb$2lq3$1...@news.tht.net>
>kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article <3c435604.19908982@shawnews>,
>>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>>
>>[Mr. Michael flushed down the old bradbury]
>>
>>>That is still not the point. Ken said he had seen pictures of naked
>>>children on the net. He did not say he had seen child pornography. It
>>>is most unfortunate you are unable to read. Has the educational system
>>>in Britain slipped this badly?
>:
>>Mr. Michael is, after all, a "revisionist scholar," which explains how
>>"I have seen pictures of naked children on the net" into "He admitted
>>downloading child pornography," or "He has seen child pornography."
>>
>>It's about what one can expect from a man like Mr. Michael ...
>
>Smear and sniping deleted. There is no way you could "seen pictures of naked
>children on the net" without them being downloaded into YOUR computer! Live with
Bradshit continues to remain willfully ignorant of the workings of the
Internet and of web pages.
No surprise. When the chance to smear appears Bradshit will leave no
lie untold.
Ken Lewis
<kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:
>I took a snapshot of my Grandson when he pised in his diapers was this
>pornography. While in
>Italy I too a picture of a Naked Angel flying around in the Church is this
>Pornographic photography. In the 1910 I seen
>a picture of my parents on the Beach the did have a swimming suit covering
>them from to bottom. Will
>this times come back ?.
If you saw a photo in 1910 it and you remember it that would make you
well over 92 years old, Knothead. That is rather hard to swallow.
On the other hand, given the advanced dtate of your senility, maybe
not.
Ken Lewis
,.," <--t-a-v--...@i--x.ne-t-c-om.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail>
wrote:
>
>What does what David Michael said about WTC 911 have to do with Ken McVay being
>a condoner of child porn? What David said was stupid and I severely criticized
>him for saying such and even to the point of agreeing with Jeffrey G. Brown of
Still unable to read, eh, Scotty? Basic English still beyond your
comprension?
Of course McVay condones no such think. But, the libel artist in
Bellville will keep it up until he gets a real lawsuit thrown at him.
Sara
tavis...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
The paragraph snipped:
"Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
our society)."
--
"Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
Alexai Sayle.
Sara
<Cuddles^-^@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> "Gord McFee" <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3C4230D7...@sympatico.ca...
>
>
> <snip troll attempt>
>
>
> > Davy Michael is splattered again.
> >
> > --
> > Gord McFee
> > I'll write no line before its time
>
>
> Isn't it strange how, as soon as I start exposing your leader, Ken McVay,
> and his filthy activities, hundreds of posts are suddenly forged in my
> name
> to try to shut me up.
>
> Doesn't work though.
>
> This is what McVay and his associates don't want readers to see:
>
> <begin quote>
> 'I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or
> any great moral danger to our society).' Ken McVay OBC
> <end quote>
>
> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
>
The paragraph snipped:
"Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
our society)."
--
SW
> >"KCOM" <KC...@Bastard.com> wrote in message
> >news:9e114ugg0vhf49ikr...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:20:13 -0600, "Mike McGee"
> >> <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Tomorrow Ragland will pretend to be Ken McVay and ravish his own body.
> >LOL
> >>
> >> Ellis, why don't you leave this news group before I really hurt
> >> you...?
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >
> >Wolk, why don't you e-mail or call ellis and tell him yourself.
>
Sorry, numbnuts, you've got the wrong Steve. Can't you read a header?
sw
Gord McFee
It wasn't even difficult.
Gord McFee
Cuddles^-^ wrote:
>
> "Gord McFee" <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3C4230D7...@sympatico.ca...
>
> <snip troll attempt>
I love it. The gutless little cretin knows he is squashed, so he cuts
and runs.
Another smashing victory for the good guys.
> > Davy Michael is splattered again.
And how.
David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
<quote>
[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
be allowed to view it]
> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from seeing such filth on his website?
[David Michael]
I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
perhaps to help to overthrow it.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
--
Gord McFee
Steve, I seem to have missed the bit about the credit card. Has the Big
Hairy Spider been squashed again?? Please answer!
SW
It is with great pleasure that I answer, Gord. Here 'tis:
Yes, the therapist psycho sure seems to have a good idea of what you have to
do to view child porn. That's probably why he thinks the porn Ellis
provides on his site is so good for kids. After all, it's FREE!
sw
Yosarian
Mr. McFee, are you saying that not only has this person rejoiced at
the murder of thousands of innocent men,women, and children killed at
the world trade center, and the airplanes they rode on, but now
condones children being allowed to watch pornography??
|
|
The major difference between a thing that might go
wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is
that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes
wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at
or repair
Douglas Adams
Sara
<Yosar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely. Dr. Homeland endorsed the viewing of Don Ellis' coprophagic
web site. He called it "instructional."
Sara
Yosarian
This is the same person who is some kind of supporter/worker/ for the
British Nationalist Party?? I wonder just how much the BNP would
support the statements this person makes on USENET???
Gord McFee
To be precise, sir, he has said it himself. I have merely quoted his
words. Bit of a wanker, isn't he?
Gord McFee
Omigod! You mean, in addition to everything else, he is also a
cheapskate?
david_michael
They would be most interested to see the rather crude attempt made by
Sara Salzman, Daniel Keren and their fellow travellers to smear me in
an attempt to detract attention from Mr McVay's comments and
behaviour.
As I said when Daniel Keren first raised this point:
This pathetic attempt to smear me shows not only Danny Keren's lack of
a sense of humour but also his increasing desperation to distract
attention from the following words uttered by the director of the
Nizkor Project, Ken McVay:
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
We can only wonder at why Dr Keren wishes to defend such a disgusting
man.
David
Ewan Jackson Ph.D.
[..]
Whilst I am an anti-revisionist, I must admit that Dr. Michael is
100% correct in his assessments. It would seem that, one by one,
the perversions of the Zionist (terrorist) apologists are being
exposed. First there was Charles "Cougar" Tucker's quite extensive
collection of pornographic posts, including the infamous post in which
he speculates about the suitability of his 5 year old step-daughter for
S&M games. Then there was Sara Salzman's posts to alt.bondage in which
she explores such issues as fisting techniques and breast whipping.
And now we have Ken McVay posting fantasies about Alice in Wonderland,
and admitting that he has pictures of naked children in his photo
album. What a charming bunch.
EJ
--
"I am not going to let your trolling affect me" - Brian Blank, affected
Philip Mathews
>Sara Salzman, Daniel Keren and their fellow travellers to smear me in
>an attempt to detract attention from Mr McVay's comments and
>behaviour.
>
>As I said when Daniel Keren first raised this point:
>
>This pathetic attempt to smear me shows not only Danny Keren's lack of
>a sense of humour but also his increasing desperation to distract
>attention from the following words uttered by the director of the
>Nizkor Project, Ken McVay:
Here's what Mr. Michael is referring to:
<begin quote>
From: David.E.Michael (david.e...@mars.co.universe)
Subject: Re: Give Yale Edeiken's relatives a call.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000/07/04
Fergus McClelland wrote:
[...]
> If Yale Edeiken kicked a poster to this group in the head, would it
> justify kicking his mother, father and children?
>
> Of course it would not.
If it would deter other Yale Edeiken's from doing likewise, then yes it
would.
David
<end quote>
It is not a smear to say that David Michael has endorsed, in principle, the
harming of innocents, including children.
If he is now claiming this was in jest, he's lying.
--
Philip Mathews
Yosarian
<gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Wanker?? Sounds to me like the man is a complete nutter, not to
mention more of a liability to any one who associates with him.
Mike McGee
Because Keren must he a pedophile.
--
"As far as homosexual bondage at the Holiday Inn make sure to bring plastic
so the management doesn't charge you for shit stained bedsheets".
- Michael Ragland
Gord McFee
Nice try. I expect they would be more interested in David Michael's
views on exposing children to pornography, especially those of them who
have children.
David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
<quote>
[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
be allowed to view it]
> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from seeing such filth on his website?
[David Michael]
I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
perhaps to help to overthrow it.
</quote>
-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
Gord McFee
You are absolutely correct.
Sara
<gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I'm confused here, Gord. I've done a lot of travelling in my time, yet
I've never met Dr. Keren nor have I travelled anywhere with him.
When Dr. Homeland says "Sara Salzman, Danial Keren and their fellow
travellers," is he implying that we have taken a journey somewhere?
Because all I can remember doing is asking Dr. Homeland to stop using my
name as part of his faked e-mail address. Since then, all hell has
broken loose.
Sara
> David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
> seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
>
> <quote>
>
> [Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
> that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
> be allowed to view it]
>
> > Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from
> > seeing such filth on his website?
>
> [David Michael]
>
> I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
> the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
> at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
> perhaps to help to overthrow it.
>
> </quote>
>
> -- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
> -- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
--
Kenneth McVay, OBC
Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
[...]
>Because all I can remember doing is asking Dr. Homeland to stop using my
>name as part of his faked e-mail address. Since then, all hell has
>broken loose.
What can one expect from Mr. Michael? One wonders if the BNP shares
his delight at the September 11th murders...
David Michael states his position on the terrorist murder of over
3000 people on September 11, 2001 in the attacks in New York, Washington
and Pennsylvania.
<quote>
Now, however, the chickens are coming home to roost. This afternoon a
truly wonderful thing has happened: the oppressed of the earth have
turned around and have shown that they do not have to be nature's
eternal victims. They have shown that the poor, the downtrodden, and the
powerless can strike back at the very heart of the dark forces that are
oppressing them. This time it was not Palestinian children who cowered
in fear as death came from the skies -- this time it was the very fat
bankers and financiers who sustain the terroristic regime of Sharon.
This time it was those very military men who mastermind the attacks on
the women and children of Iraq. They thought they were so safe as they
planned death and destruction from their comfortable offices in the
Pentagon, and as they did their dirty deals in the World Trade Center.
Now they have been given a bloody nose that they will never forget.
Today was a glorious day. May there be many others like it.
Death to American capitalism!
Death to international finance!
David Michael
Message-ID: <3b9e...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:18:49 +0100
</quote>
When challenged with: "You applaud the terror and killing of
thousands of innocent people perpetrated by the terrorists who attacked
the Pentagon and attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center, calling
their actions "a wonderful thing," the day the attacks occurred a
"glorious day," and finishing by fervently wishing for "many more" such
days.", his response is:
"I do indeed."
Message-ID: <3bae...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:26:45 +0100
To a debating opponent who doesn't share his admiration for terrorism:
<quote>
All I can say in response to your filthy remark is that I very much hope
that, if there is an anthrax attack on America, your loved ones fall
victim to it so that you get a dose of your own putrid medicine.
</quote>
Message-ID: <3bc9...@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>
Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:34:44 +0100
In response to Joe Bruno:
[Bruno]
> I ask you now to reconsider your position. I wonder if it might have
> been rooted in a momentary anger about something. The people of
> England have a long tradition of respect for law and human life. Are
> you renouncing that tradition?
[Michael]
My only regret, Bruno, is that you were not at the very top of the New
York World Trade Center on 11 September 2001.
Message-ID: <b7fe1abc.02010...@posting.google.com>
Date: 2 Jan 2002 17:59:54 -0800
--
"Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
(David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Gord McFee
Well, it's kind of a spiritual thing. Sort of a group of reasonably
decent people - a concept that David is unable to understand, let alone
internalize.
> Because all I can remember doing is asking Dr. Homeland to stop using my
> name as part of his faked e-mail address. Since then, all hell has
> broken loose.
As the old saying goes, he fears you. Greatly.
> Sara
>
> > David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
> > seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > [Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
> > that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
> > be allowed to view it]
> >
> > > Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children from
> > > seeing such filth on his website?
> >
> > [David Michael]
> >
> > I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
> > the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
> > at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
> > perhaps to help to overthrow it.
> >
> > </quote>
> >
> > -- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
> > -- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
>
> --
> "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say "elevator",
> we say "lift" ... they say "President", we say "stupid psychopathic git."
> Alexai Sayle.
--
Hilary Ostrov
<b7fe1abc.02011...@posting.google.com>,
david_...@onetel.net.uk (david_michael) wrote:
>Yosarian <Yosar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<0iq84u4q9p31n8c44...@4ax.com>...
>> On 15 Jan 2002 16:05:04 GMT, Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <95a84useqe88sdlog...@4ax.com>, Yosarian
>> ><Yosar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:37:57 -0500, Gord McFee
>> >> <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
[...]
>> >> >David Michael now professes great disgust at child pornography. But it
>> >> >seems he has no problems with children viewing adult pornography.
>> >> >
>> >> ><quote>
>> >> >
>> >> >[Orac had written, about pictures of coprophilia on Don Ellis' website,
>> >> >that is, men eating each other's excrement and whether children should
>> >> >be allowed to view it]
>> >> >
>> >> >> Really? Then what do you say about his failure to protect children
>> >> >> from seeing such filth on his website?
>> >> >
>> >> >[David Michael]
>> >> >
>> >> >I think that we should not attempt to shield children from knowing about
>> >> >the sort of world in which they must live. If they are prepared for it
>> >> >at an early age then they will be better able to deal with it and
>> >> >perhaps to help to overthrow it.
>> >> >
>> >> ></quote>
>> >> >
>> >> >-- Message-ID: <3A07A2AB...@onetel.net.uk>
>> >> >-- Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:35:23 +0000
>> >> Mr. McFee, are you saying that not only has this person rejoiced at
>> >> the murder of thousands of innocent men,women, and children killed at
>> >> the world trade center, and the airplanes they rode on, but now
>> >> condones children being allowed to watch pornography??
>> >Absolutely. Dr. Homeland endorsed the viewing of Don Ellis' coprophagic
>> >web site. He called it "instructional."
>> This is the same person who is some kind of supporter/worker/ for the
>> British Nationalist Party?? I wonder just how much the BNP would
>> support the statements this person makes on USENET???
>They would be most interested to see the rather crude attempt made by
>Sara Salzman, Daniel Keren and their fellow travellers to smear me in
>an attempt to detract attention from Mr McVay's comments and
>behaviour.
>
>As I said when Daniel Keren first raised this point:
>
>This pathetic attempt to smear me
It really is about time you put your guinea pig brain in gear and
realized that quoting your own words is *not* an attempt to smear you.
>shows not only Danny Keren's lack of
>a sense of humour
"Humour"? Do you find the material on Ellis' website "humourous"? Or
did you intend to be "humourous" when you not only voiced no objection
to his failure to protect children from viewing the material, but also
deemed it to be "instructional"?
In either case, all one can say is that your sense of "humour" is
utterly sick.
>but also his increasing desperation to distract
>attention from the following words uttered by the director of the
>Nizkor Project, Ken McVay:
>
><begin quote>
[snip quote out of context]
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
<begin quote in context>
Perhaps one thing that I should note, because authors often
sensationalize the hatemongering on the Net, is that, for all their
vitriol, these people are only a tiny handful of the 30-40 million
users on the Internet. I am weary of seeing their activities blown out
of proportion, as I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown
out of proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and
have yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen
photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in my family
photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to
our society).
We are dealing with a few dozen cynical activists, trolling the net
for money and cannon fodder. Even if all of the estimated 20,000 or so
facists on the continent became active on the Net, they still would
represent no more than a small ripple in the internet pond. In spite
of that, the press continues to sensationalize their presence, using
it as an excuse for black headlines, and the Canadian and American
governments dutifully blather about "controlling the Internet,"
presumably for "our own good."
Speaking for myself, I wish to make it crystal clear that I don't want
to be "protected" by government thought police. Everywhere we turn,
governments are pushing and prodding our lives, and I'm far more
concerned about them attacking the Net, and thus our freedom, than I
am about watching the Nazis do it.
<end quote in context>
So do tell, David ... why would anyone want to "distract" from the
above?
OTOH, I can certainly understand why one would want to distract
attention from utterances such as:
a) Propagating "revisionism" is preferable to providing evidence for
one's unsubstantiated "revisionist" assertions - such as those
implicit in:
b) "Just try getting elected President of the USA without the support
of the Jewish Community."
not to mention the import of:
c) "Today [Sept. 11/01] was a glorious day. May there be many others
like it".
All of which are attributable to none other than Dr. David E<ven when
I'm right, I'm wrong> Michael
Watch him run - again - folks.
hro
=====================
Hilary Ostrov
E-mail: hos...@telus.net
WWW: http://www3.telus.net/myssiwyg/
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org/
^.^
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>In article <catamont-078893...@news.concentric.net>,
>Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Because all I can remember doing is asking Dr. Homeland to stop using my
>>name as part of his faked e-mail address. Since then, all hell has
>>broken loose.
>
>What can one expect from Mr. Michael?
--Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html
Verified by John Morris with Message ID:
cf214uoohhmoqblmv...@4ax.com
(For the record this child porn apologist is funded by B'nai Brith
as shown here: http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
B'nai Brith must condone pictures of "naked children" too!)
Here is a photo of Ken McVay, director of WWW.NIZKOR.ORG-- does he
not have the uncouth look as to fit the profile of a person who
would say in general regarding child porn: "I am weary of seeing the
issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion (I've been on and
around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across anything I'd
consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked children, ... and
fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society)."?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
Would any of you want to leave this person, Ken McVay,
alone with your children?
Ken Lewis
<t-a-vi...@i-x.n-e-t-com.c-omRemove_ Hyphens 2_ Mail> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 03:22:58 +0000 (UTC), <a25g2i$tsd$1...@news.tht.net>
>kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article <catamont-078893...@news.concentric.net>,
>>Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>>[...]
>>
>>>Because all I can remember doing is asking Dr. Homeland to stop using my
>>>name as part of his faked e-mail address. Since then, all hell has
>>>broken loose.
>>
>>What can one expect from Mr. Michael?
>
>--Alleged Chickenhawk, Ken McVay, Condoning Child Porn--
Alleged human being lying his ass off again.