Let's play "find the nazihunter"
Gord McFee
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> Let's play a game. It has been suggested that "nazihunter" couldn't
> possibly be on Mr. Edeiken's mailing list (he may not be, but I
> suspect he is), and that "nazihunter" obtained his information from my
> system.
>
> The first inspection, at 18:53 EST, came from Ottawa:
>
> 206.47.244.59 - - [14/Dec/1999:18:53:10 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>
> WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
If I am not mistaken, that posting address resolves to Toronto, not
Ottawa. A traceroute to the Ottawa address ends at a Toronto server
belonging to WorldLinx. Do you know anyone who posts from Toronto?
Ottawa is the HQ of WorldLinx Telecommunications. In fact, WorldLinx
and Sympatico are both owned by BellGlobal.
> The second and third from an AOL user, who waited an hour, then
> returned for a second look:
>
> 152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:21:23:42 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>
> 152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:22:38:30 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
>
> America Online (NET-ANS-BNET8)
> 12100 Sunrise Valley Drive
> Reston, VA 20191
> US
>
> The second from an unfamiliar IP number - someone posting via US West:
>
> 63.224.2.43 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:07:32 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>
> U S WEST Communications Svcs, Inc. (NETBLK-USW-INTERACT99)
> 600 Stinson Blvd NE
> Minneapolis, MN 55413
>
> Then I think Mrs. Salzman took a look - she mentioned that she'd
> looked at it, so this is a pretty safe conclusion....
>
> 207.155.169.190 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:34:11 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
>
> Concentric Research Corp. (NETBLK-CONCENTRIC-CIDR)
> 1400 Parkmoor Avenue
> San Jose, CA 95126-3429
> US
Oh. So Ms Salzman posts from California?
> 207.16.154.57 - - [15/Dec/1999:01:12:56 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>
> UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16)
> NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16
> 207.16.0.0 - 207.19.255.0
> EnterNet (NETBLK-UU-207-16-152-D1) UU-207-16-152-D1
> 207.16.152.0 - 207.16.159.255
>
> That would most likely be Mr. Edeiken himself....
>
> 206.47.244.59 - - [15/Dec/1999:20:59:24 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 5777
>
> WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
>
> Ottawa, again..... who do we know who posts from Ottawa....?
I do. John Bagnall does.
> So which one is "nazihunter?"
How can we possibly tell?
> ...and how do we know that the real "nazihunter" (who has a nym
> account, and knows how to use anon. remailers) used cotse.com to post
> his threat? How do we know that it was "nazihunter," and not someone
> trying to throw people off the track?
We don't.
But we know who posted it to his website, don't we? And according to
the logs you have posted above, it appears the information was up on
your site a tad longer than the 90 minutes you have been claiming. The
first inspection was at 18:53:10 EST on December 14 and the last one you
mention is 20:59:54 on December 15. That looks like 26 hours to me, not
90 minutes.
Don't give up your day job, Inspector Gadget.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Gord McFee
kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> In article <dt6r5so2i151attij...@4ax.com>,
> Gord McFee <gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >In <83k3pt$240a$1...@news.tht.net>, on 20 Dec 1999 02:20:45 GMT,
> >kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> >
> >> Let's play a game. It has been suggested that "nazihunter" couldn't
> >> possibly be on Mr. Edeiken's mailing list (he may not be, but I
> >> suspect he is), and that "nazihunter" obtained his information from my
> >> system.
> >>
> >> The first inspection, at 18:53 EST, came from Ottawa:
> >>
> >> 206.47.244.59 - - [14/Dec/1999:18:53:10 -0500] "GET
> >/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
> >>
> >> WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
> >> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
> >> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
> >
> >If I am not mistaken, that posting address resolves to Toronto, not
> >Ottawa. A traceroute to the Ottawa address ends at a Toronto server
> >belonging to WorldLinx. Do you know anyone who posts from Toronto?
>
> Are you stating that "nazihunter" posts from Toronto? Do you have
> evidence for that?
No, I didn't say that and I have no evidence at all. But he or she
certainly could. I don't know nazihunter from a hole in the ground.
All I know is that the traceroute ends in Toronto.
> >Ottawa is the HQ of WorldLinx Telecommunications. In fact, WorldLinx
> >and Sympatico are both owned by BellGlobal.
> >
> >> The second and third from an AOL user, who waited an hour, then
> >> returned for a second look:
> >>
> >> 152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:21:23:42 -0500] "GET
> >/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>
> This one traces to the NY area.... could that be "nazihunter?"
I have no idea.
> >> The second from an unfamiliar IP number - someone posting via US West:
>
> This one to Minniapolis... could that be "nazihunter?"
I have no idea.
> >> 63.224.2.43 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:07:32 -0500] "GET
> >/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
> >>
> >> U S WEST Communications Svcs, Inc. (NETBLK-USW-INTERACT99)
> >> 600 Stinson Blvd NE
> >> Minneapolis, MN 55413
> >>
> >> Then I think Mrs. Salzman took a look - she mentioned that she'd
> >> looked at it, so this is a pretty safe conclusion....
> >>
> >> 207.155.169.190 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:34:11 -0500] "GET
> >/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
> >>
> >> Concentric Research Corp. (NETBLK-CONCENTRIC-CIDR)
> >> 1400 Parkmoor Avenue
> >> San Jose, CA 95126-3429
> >> US
> >
> >Oh. So Ms Salzman posts from California?
>
> Denver, Colorado, is where the address resolves to
Just like the Ottawa address resolves to Toronto.
>... I don't think
> Mrs. Salzman is "nazihunter."
I agree.
> Yes indeed - I did. I did not obtain it under any other pretense,
> either. It was sent to me unsolicited. Does flash.net send out private
> client data unsolicited, or do they have some sort of legal corporate
> guideline with respect to releasing private information?
I have no idea.
Kenneth McVay OBC
possibly be on Mr. Edeiken's mailing list (he may not be, but I
suspect he is), and that "nazihunter" obtained his information from my
system.
The first inspection, at 18:53 EST, came from Ottawa:
206.47.244.59 - - [14/Dec/1999:18:53:10 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
The second and third from an AOL user, who waited an hour, then
returned for a second look:
152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:21:23:42 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:22:38:30 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
America Online (NET-ANS-BNET8)
12100 Sunrise Valley Drive
Reston, VA 20191
US
The second from an unfamiliar IP number - someone posting via US West:
63.224.2.43 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:07:32 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
U S WEST Communications Svcs, Inc. (NETBLK-USW-INTERACT99)
600 Stinson Blvd NE
Minneapolis, MN 55413
Then I think Mrs. Salzman took a look - she mentioned that she'd
looked at it, so this is a pretty safe conclusion....
207.155.169.190 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:34:11 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
Concentric Research Corp. (NETBLK-CONCENTRIC-CIDR)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US
207.16.154.57 - - [15/Dec/1999:01:12:56 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16)
NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16
207.16.0.0 - 207.19.255.0
EnterNet (NETBLK-UU-207-16-152-D1) UU-207-16-152-D1
207.16.152.0 - 207.16.159.255
That would most likely be Mr. Edeiken himself....
206.47.244.59 - - [15/Dec/1999:20:59:24 -0500] "GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 5777
WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
Ottawa, again..... who do we know who posts from Ottawa....?
So which one is "nazihunter?"
...and how do we know that the real "nazihunter" (who has a nym
account, and knows how to use anon. remailers) used cotse.com to post
his threat? How do we know that it was "nazihunter," and not someone
trying to throw people off the track?
--
The Nizkor Project An Electronic Holocaust Education Resource
Ken McVay, Director http://www.nizkor.org/~kmcvay
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Kenneth McVay OBC
Gord McFee <gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>In <83k3pt$240a$1...@news.tht.net>, on 20 Dec 1999 02:20:45 GMT,
>kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> possibly be on Mr. Edeiken's mailing list (he may not be, but I
>> suspect he is), and that "nazihunter" obtained his information from my
>> system.
>>
>> The first inspection, at 18:53 EST, came from Ottawa:
>>
>> 206.47.244.59 - - [14/Dec/1999:18:53:10 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>>
>> WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
>> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
>> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
>
>Ottawa. A traceroute to the Ottawa address ends at a Toronto server
>belonging to WorldLinx. Do you know anyone who posts from Toronto?
Are you stating that "nazihunter" posts from Toronto? Do you have
evidence for that?
>Ottawa is the HQ of WorldLinx Telecommunications. In fact, WorldLinx
>and Sympatico are both owned by BellGlobal.
>
>> The second and third from an AOL user, who waited an hour, then
>> returned for a second look:
>>
>> 152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:21:23:42 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
This one traces to the NY area.... could that be "nazihunter?"
>> The second from an unfamiliar IP number - someone posting via US West:
This one to Minniapolis... could that be "nazihunter?"
>> 63.224.2.43 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:07:32 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>>
>> U S WEST Communications Svcs, Inc. (NETBLK-USW-INTERACT99)
>> 600 Stinson Blvd NE
>> Minneapolis, MN 55413
>>
>> Then I think Mrs. Salzman took a look - she mentioned that she'd
>> looked at it, so this is a pretty safe conclusion....
>>
>> 207.155.169.190 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:34:11 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
>>
>> Concentric Research Corp. (NETBLK-CONCENTRIC-CIDR)
>> 1400 Parkmoor Avenue
>> San Jose, CA 95126-3429
>> US
>
>Oh. So Ms Salzman posts from California?
Denver, Colorado, is where the address resolves to... I don't think
Mrs. Salzman is "nazihunter."
>> 207.16.154.57 - - [15/Dec/1999:01:12:56 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>>
>> UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16)
>> NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16
>> 207.16.0.0 - 207.19.255.0
>> EnterNet (NETBLK-UU-207-16-152-D1) UU-207-16-152-D1
>> 207.16.152.0 - 207.16.159.255
>>
>> That would most likely be Mr. Edeiken himself....
>>
>> 206.47.244.59 - - [15/Dec/1999:20:59:24 -0500] "GET
>/ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 5777
>>
>> WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
>> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
>> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
>>
>> Ottawa, again..... who do we know who posts from Ottawa....?
>
>I do. John Bagnall does.
>
>> So which one is "nazihunter?"
>
>How can we possibly tell?
>
>> ...and how do we know that the real "nazihunter" (who has a nym
>> account, and knows how to use anon. remailers) used cotse.com to post
>> his threat? How do we know that it was "nazihunter," and not someone
>> trying to throw people off the track?
>
>We don't.
>
>But we know who posted it to his website, don't we? And according to
>the logs you have posted above, it appears the information was up on
>your site a tad longer than the 90 minutes you have been claiming. The
>first inspection was at 18:53:10 EST on December 14 and the last one you
>mention is 20:59:54 on December 15. That looks like 26 hours to me, not
>90 minutes.
Yes indeed - I did. I did not obtain it under any other pretense,
either. It was sent to me unsolicited. Does flash.net send out private
client data unsolicited, or do they have some sort of legal corporate
guideline with respect to releasing private information?
--
Kenneth McVay OBC
Gord McFee <gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>In <83k890$29jn$1...@news.tht.net>, on 20 Dec 1999 03:37:04 GMT,
>kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
[snip]
>> Yes indeed - I did. I did not obtain it under any other pretense,
>> either. It was sent to me unsolicited. Does flash.net send out private
>> client data unsolicited, or do they have some sort of legal corporate
>> guideline with respect to releasing private information?
>
>I have no idea.
I recommend a small educational trip to
http://www.flash.net/home2/about/position.html, where you will find
your answer.
One of the interesting paragraphs reads
"FlashNet respects its customer's rights to privacy and believes
that customers should expect complete confidentiality in all
respects with regard to the customer's account. FlashNet will
endeavor to protect customer account information from
unauthorized or illegal access at all times and without exception."
Did flashnet know that their client's account information was going to
be used in a way that would - to put it mildly - compromise his
confidentiality? We do not know.
Were they advised of that prior to surrendering the data? We do not
know.
Reading further, we find:
"If they have the "papers ", the information that we provide
includes only the Customer Records, UserID Records and
whatever they have on their publicly accessible web pages. We
do not store "log files" for extended periods of time and
therefore cannot report on what an account holder has been
doing. "
Makes perfect sense... so, did Mr. Edeiken serve flashnet with a
subpoena, and thus compel their release of the information? If so, did
this subpoena mention his intention to publish the data to a mailing list?
What possible legal consequences might stem from this? Could flashnet
file suit against Mr. Edeken for improper use, if they were not told
he planned to publish the data? Could Mr. Bradbury sue flashnet?
If Mr. Edeiken did not serve a subpoena upon flashnet to obtain the
data, but got it instead on a "lawyer to lawyer" basis from the legal
counsel at flashnet, what are the potential legal consequences to
flashnet, given such an obvious violation of their own publicly stated
policies?
David E Michael
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
Are you in touch with Mike Stein? Ask him who 'Marduk' is. 'Marduk' is
Nazihunter. And yes, Nazihunter is in Toronto. University of Toronto to be
precise. He is a professor specializing in Assyriology.
If you wish I will employ a private detective to track him conclusively. The
cost is $500. Care to negotiate a contract to split the cost with me? :)
David
Kenneth McVay OBC
David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
[snip]
>Are you in touch with Mike Stein? Ask him who 'Marduk' is. 'Marduk' is
>Nazihunter. And yes, Nazihunter is in Toronto. University of Toronto to be
>precise. He is a professor specializing in Assyriology.
>
>If you wish I will employ a private detective to track him conclusively. The
>cost is $500. Care to negotiate a contract to split the cost with me? :)
I have met "marduk," and I know his name. He is, by no stretch,
"nazihunter."
Marduk, by the way, does not teach - anywhere.
David E Michael
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
Hmmm. Interesting. He has certainly been posting under the name 'Marduk' for a
long time. Here's an example:
<begin quote>
From: marduk <mar...@anon.nymserver.com>
Subject: LOOKS LIKE KEELE UNIVERSITY HAS DECIDED TO ADMT THAT DR. DAVE IS A
WANKER
Date: 16 Jun 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <7k8lql$l48$1...@sparky.wolfe.net>
Organization: the Nymserver (ad...@anon.nymserver.com)
X-Note: This message was posted by a secure email service. Please report MISUSE
OR ABUSE of this automated secure email service to <ab...@anon.nymserver.com>.
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
see http://www.keelealumni.org.uk/
<end quote>
Here we have an example of him reacting to an accusation of crank phone calls a
long time ago:
<begin quote>
Re: C'MON HARVEY...DOES LISA PAY YOU FOR THIS NONSENSE?
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Author:
marduk
Email:
mar...@idirect.com
Date:
1996/03/01
Forums:
sci.archaeology, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.jewish
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<ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
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In article <lisa.1804...@interport.net>, li...@interport.net says...
>
>In article <ragnaroek1996Fe...@news2.compulink.com>
mar...@idirect.com (marduk) writes:
>
>>>I think it's very odd for someone to argue from authority without revealing
>>>their identity. If marduk wants to claim the credibility due a professor of
>>>assyriology and archeology, he needs to identify himself.
>
>>Don't have time for a longish answer....I'm just rushing out the door early
>>Thursday morning to go snowboarding....Yippee...gonna play hokey today and
let
>>a Teaching assistant take over a boooring intro Akkadian class....now on to
>>business:
>>because i spend a good deal of time heere and elsewhere confronting
>>pseudo-scientific evidence that is presented by fundamentalist wackos such as
>>Aaronson, there can (and inded has been) adverse repurcussions. About every
>>month or so, we get a looney letter to the Department from some whacko who
>>claims that he has received a cuneiform letter in his box of Cheerios. I have
>>no intention of exposing my family or myself to tne danagerous vagaries of
the
>>loony religious mind.
>
>Pretty words from someone who make crank calls.
>
>>Herr Doktor Professor Marduk (DINGIR.AMAR.UTU)
>
>Lisa
>
Lets see if I understand this....You are accusing me of making long distance
crank phone calls to you? Hmmmm...it seems that even (or perhaps especially)
frummie women can succumb to paranoid fantasies...
Just out of curiosity, exactly how do you think I would be able to ascertain
your phone number, let alone your location? And why would I waste money on the
likes of you?
<end quote>
And here we have him boasting convincingly of his academic credentials:
<begin quote>
Author:
marduk
Email:
mar...@idirect.com
Date:
1996/02/27
Forums:
sci.archaeology
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<ragnaroek1996Fe...@news2.compulink.com>
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In article <4g5b4j$6...@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, p...@cco.caltech.edu says...
>
> Has anyone here read Gore Vidal's _Creation_? If so, what do
you
>think of it? Are there any major problems in his picture of the major
>civilizations at the time of Darius and Xerxes? Or of their creation
myths
>(besides the glaring absence of any discussion of the Hebrew world
view)?
>I am particularly taken with his elaborate descriptions of rituals,
>architecture, and belief systems, and wonder how much basis they have
in
>established knowledge.
>
>
>--
> -Phil
Actually, as an Assyriologist who specializes in the Neo-Babylonian
period, I can state that his description of the financial activities of
The famous and powerful Egibi family of Babylon is really quite well
done....on the other hand, i cannot stand vidal's smarmy writing
style...kinda reminds me of lisa aronson, in fact.
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And an example of him being characteristically psychotic and rabbiting on about
'Nazi pigs':
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Are You Really as Slug-Like as Your Picture Suggests?
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marduk
Email:
mar...@idirect.com
Date:
1996/03/20
Forums:
alt.censorship, alt.revisionism,
alt.society.civil-liberties, can.politics
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Well....as I was perusing your extremely funny web-site, I came across a
photo of yourself. Unfortunately, I was drinking a diet pepsi at the time,
and when I was confronted by your incredibly ugly face, I spewed all over my
screen...
My God man!!!! Where is your sense of public service? The least you can do is
warn people....
Anyways...on to matters nazi and such-like: as a confirmed nazi pig, you no
doubt subscribe to the doctrine of eugenetics. That being the case, why did
you feel justified in procreating? Your son's photo indicates that he has
inherited many of your slug-like features, so don't you feel that you have
rather let the Aryan side down?
Oh by the way...why have you disconnected your phone number? We had some
awefully funny things to say to you...OINK, OINK.
WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE
yerp?
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And what about this little gem:
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Re: Why are so many Jews anti-Polish
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In article <4gb02o$f...@ra.isisnet.com>, abs...@isisnet.com says...
>
>Piotr Wnukowski (pi...@chemeng.kth.se) wrote:
>
>: What I understand, the Holocaust plays the very central role
>: in the self-consciousness of modern Judaism.
>:
>: I dare to pose a question then:
>: Can somebody call himself a Jew, a conscious Jew, and at the same
>: time display total ignorance about the most important event in the
>: history of Jewish nation?
>
>: I mean seriously, and I would welcome serious answers.
>
>: Best regards,
>
>: Piotr Wnukowski
>
>Sure, there has always been like that but not necessarily in a
pejorative
>sense. Please refer to "The Jewish Mind" by Raphael Patai and in
>particular to the chapter "Ethnohistory and Inner History". For some
>reason the book has been out of print for sometime but may be available
>yet in some libraries. What Patai states is that "the Jews have had
less
>interest in their own history (with the exception of the Biblical
>period...), than many another peaple has had in its past. This general
>assertion can easily be documented. Only a knowledge of Biblocal
history
>was both inevitable and religiously necessary." And so on. Therefore,
>this historical "ignorance" has its roots in the tradition.
>
>Andrzej Strak
>
>
>
up your ass, shithead, with your racist pseudo-psycho-history. do you
think anyone accepts your asshole notion that historical perception is
somehow a biological phenomenon? Moron.
<end quote>
Mr McVay, I suggest that if you know who this gentleman is you should assist him
to get medical help. He is a very, very sick man who has been posting Internet
abuse and harassing people by phone since at least 1996.
David
Kenneth McVay OBC
David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
>> In article <385DB092...@btinternet.com>,
>> David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Are you in touch with Mike Stein? Ask him who 'Marduk' is. 'Marduk' is
>> >Nazihunter. And yes, Nazihunter is in Toronto. University of Toronto to be
>> >precise. He is a professor specializing in Assyriology.
>> >
>> >If you wish I will employ a private detective to track him conclusively. The
>> >cost is $500. Care to negotiate a contract to split the cost with me? :)
>>
>> I have met "marduk," and I know his name. He is, by no stretch,
>> "nazihunter."
>>
>> Marduk, by the way, does not teach - anywhere.
>Hmmm. Interesting. He has certainly been posting under the name 'Marduk' for a
>long time. Here's an example:
>
><begin quote>
>From: marduk <mar...@anon.nymserver.com>
That's anonymous - you don't know who posted it.
>Here we have an example of him reacting to an accusation of crank phone calls a
>long time ago:
Yes - the correct address, circa 1996-97, as I recall.
>Mr McVay, I suggest that if you know who this gentleman is you should assist him
>to get medical help. He is a very, very sick man who has been posting Internet
>abuse and harassing people by phone since at least 1996.
I do not know what the man does or does not do, other than
professionally. As noted, he does not teach anything, anywhere. I am
aware of what he does, because he told me, and because his letterhead
and business card were quite legitimate.
If you - or anyone else - has proof of "nazihunter's" identity, by all
means post it. But if the best you can do is insist that "nazihunter"
and "marduk" are one and the same, and they he teaches, sorry, mate,
but you're wasting everyone's time, including yours.
I've seen several "proofs" that Marduk = Nazihunter, and none of them
are worth a thing. They share a common predeliction for unsupported
assertions and absolutely no _facts_.
John Morris
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In <83k3pt$240a$1...@news.tht.net> in alt.revisionism, on 20 Dec 1999
02:20:45 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>Let's play a game.
Okay. Sounds like fun.
> It has been suggested that "nazihunter" couldn't
>possibly be on Mr. Edeiken's mailing list (he may not be, but I
>suspect he is),
That was me who made the suggestion. But it wasn't a suggestion. I
can say with certainty that Nazihunter is not on that list.
How do I know this? That is a long and complicated story that
involves piecing together a lot of evidence. I'm willing to post the
evidence now because I am fed to the teeth with people who think of
themselves as the "good guys" and who think that harassment and
intimidation are how we prove we are better than the racists and the
neo-Nazis. And that includes you, Ken.
So how do I know? If he is still same individual who resorted
anonymous remailers late in 1998, Nazihunter posts from Toronto.
That not such a big "if" as it sounds. The anonymous Nazihunter's
activities take up without a break from the last date that an
identifiable Nazihunter was posting. The style is the same. The
tactics are the same. The message is the same. In addition, the
anonymous Nazihunter made several phone calls to his victims--Al
Baron, Ed Kadach, Anthony Sabatini, Istvan Lippai--from Toronto pay
phones. One of those pay phones is in the Eglinton West subway
station in Toronto. One is in the same part northwest Toronto.
Interestingly, two other pay phones were used: one in Collingwood,
Ontario and one in Barrie, Ontario, both on weekends. It almost
sounds like he went up to the cottage and stopped in to make a quick
harassing phone call.
While Nazihunter was still posting from idirect.com using Toronto
dialup access, he also accessed a Barry, Ontario dialup.
I think it's pretty clear that Nazihunter is based in Toronto.
As it happens, none of the private recipients of Yale's e-mail lives
in Toronto.
> and that "nazihunter" obtained his information from my
>system.
It is not altogether clear from your logs that Nazihunter obtained
his information from your system. Anybody who wants to check can see
that the first Usenet post of Scott Bradbury's address was
time-stamped 1:04 hrs after Yale's e-mail was sent. The mail was
sent at 17:10 EST and the information posted in Usenet at 18:14. The
first file access activity in your log--assuming it is complete--was
at 18:53 hrs 1:43 hrs after the e-mail was sent.
>The first inspection, at 18:53 EST, came from Ottawa:
No. The IP number is assigned to a block used by WorldLinx in
Toronto.
> - - [14/Dec/1999:18:53:10 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
The canonical name is not very informative:
nslookup 206.47.244.59
Canonical name: ch3smc.bellglobal.com
All it tells us is that WorldLinx is part of Bell Canada Global
Services.
But here is the traceroute (with the echo times deleted):
Trace 206.47.244.59 ...
1 10.128.4.9 (No rDNS)
2 10.128.3.1 (No rDNS)
3 161.184.255.225 (tac02-enet0.rtr.agt.net ok)
4 209.115.219.225 (LOCAL4.tac.net fraudulent rDNS)
5 205.233.111.197 (regional2.tac.net fraudulent rDNS)
6 No Response * * *
7 146.188.209.182 (117.ATM3-0.XR2.CHI6.ALTER.NET ok)
8 146.188.208.85 (190.ATM10-0-0.GW3.CHI6.ALTER.NET ok)
9 157.130.97.2 (belladvanced1-gw.customer.ALTER.NET ok)
10 206.108.98.41 (core1-toronto63-pos5-0-0.in.bellnexxia.net
probable bogus rDNS: host not found
[non-authoritative])
11 206.108.98.14 (torcorr01-pos1-0-0.in.bellnexxia.net ok)
12 206.47.228.153 (tordisr06-fe0-0-0.in.bellnexxia.net ok)
13 No Response * * *
14 No Response * * *
[...]
The trace is blocked after step 12, a Toronto district server of
WorldLinx, a subsidiary of Bell Canada. Run an IP block check on
step 12. It belongs to WorldLinx. So does any address under it, and
any address under it is in the same hierarchy.
So we are looking at a file access from Toronto, not Ottawa.
But lets fill in the chronology.
Scott Bradbury's address is then posted from cotse.com under variants
on the name "Scott" or "Bradbury" or "Tavish" to the following
newsgroups:
18:14:36 alt.politics.white-power
18:15:14 soc.culture.german
18:15:26 soc.culture.polish
18:15:40 ab.general
18:15:56 soc.culture.jewish
At 18:53, an unknown user from Toronto accesses Bradbury's
information on your website.
Then, at 19:06 EST, the first post of the information comes from
"nazihunter" through cotse.com.
This is followed by messages posted thus:
19:58:10 alt.revisionism
19:58:29 sci.skeptic
19:58:54 soc.culture.jewish
19:59:09 soc.culture.usa
19:59:34 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
19:59:58 alt.conspiracy
Then, very strangely, at 20:18, we get a message test posted to
alt.revisionism by "bloggs" <nazih...@127.0.0.1> from Sympatico in
Toronto. The IP number is a loopback. It stands for "localhost" on
your machine, on my machine, on everybody's machine. But his
NNTP-Posting-Host was 216.209.45.60. That traces to Sympatico, a
Bell Canada subsidiary, with the identical office address to
WorldLinx. Same floor, in fact. And it goes through the same
Toronto hierarchy as the first file access to your file of Scott
Bradbury's address.
Then we get the anonymous AOL user:
>The second and third from an AOL user, who waited an hour, then
>returned for a second look:
>152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:21:23:42 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4387
>152.163.189.131 - - [14/Dec/1999:22:38:30 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
>America Online (NET-ANS-BNET8)
> 12100 Sunrise Valley Drive
> Reston, VA 20191
> US
There is one user on the mailing list who has an AOL account. He
lives in Massachusetts.
Please note that his first file access is 4:13 hrs after Yale's
e-mail was sent and 3:09 hrs after the first Usenet post. Judging
from the flurry of posts preceding this access, he would obviously
have had ample time to gain notice of the violation from Usenet.
>The second from an unfamiliar IP number - someone posting via US
>West:
>63.224.2.43 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:07:32 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>U S WEST Communications Svcs, Inc. (NETBLK-USW-INTERACT99)
> 600 Stinson Blvd NE
> Minneapolis, MN 55413
This person has a fixed IP number. We all know and love him. Big
lovable cuddly guy. He is not on the mailing list. Unless someone
from the mailing list notified him, he, too, took notice from the
Usenet postings.
We are now about 6:00 hrs after Yale's mailing.
>Then I think Mrs. Salzman took a look - she mentioned that she'd
>looked at it, so this is a pretty safe conclusion....
>207.155.169.190 - - [14/Dec/1999:23:34:11 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 4345
>Concentric Research Corp. (NETBLK-CONCENTRIC-CIDR)
> 1400 Parkmoor Avenue
> San Jose, CA 95126-3429
> US
The IP traces to Colorado. There is one other concentric.net user
from Colorado on the mailing list besides the one you identified.
>207.16.154.57 - - [15/Dec/1999:01:12:56 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.1" 200 4364
>UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16)
>NETBLK-UUNETCBLK16 207.16.0.0 - 207.19.255.0
>EnterNet (NETBLK-UU-207-16-152-D1) UU-207-16-152-D1
> 207.16.152.0 - 207.16.159.255
>That would most likely be Mr. Edeiken himself....
Sounds like a safe bet to me. But let's pause here a moment: we are
now 8:02 hrs into the story.
>206.47.244.59 - - [15/Dec/1999:20:59:24 -0500]
>"GET /ftp.cgi/people/b/bradbury.scott/references HTTP/1.0" 200 5777
>WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-4)
> 160 Elgin Street, Floor 12
> Ottawa, Ontario K1G 3J4
>Ottawa, again..... who do we know who posts from Ottawa....?
No, Ken. Toronto. And let's take one last look at the time-stamp.
Goodness. We are now 27:49 hours into the story, and your own logs
show file access activity spanning more than 26 hours.
I'm having a wee small problem with your story, Ken. In Message-ID:
<839lhi$cdq$1...@news.tht.net>, you claimed that the file containing
Scott Bradbury's address and telephone number sat on your server for
a mere 90 minutes:
I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, until I realized,
on reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted
it...
You could have been mistaken. Maybe you thought 26 hours was a
day-and-a-half, and you got that mixed up in your head as an
hour-and-a-half, and it came out as 90 minutes. You must have made
the same mistake again, because in Message-ID:
<83bkho$2ute$1...@news.tht.net> you said:
The Bradbury file was not added to the "What's New" page,
and there is no notifier on the "Latest Files" page, since
it can change from minute to minute throughout the day. In
addition to that, the cgi script that maintains the filesystem
only fires up 7 times per day, at 5 minutes past the hour. The
file could have sat there for an hour or two before it would
be listed.
To recap: No notification list.
Here you seem to be claiming that the file might not have been picked
up by your maintenance script for as long as two hours which suggests
again that you think the file was available for less than two hours.
But don't your own server logs show file access activity in excess of
26 HOURS? That your scripts would have picked it up 7 or 8 times?
That the damned file sat there for more than a full day?
Can you explain the discrepancy?
>So which one is "nazihunter?"
>...and how do we know that the real "nazihunter" (who has a nym
>account, and knows how to use anon. remailers) used cotse.com to
>post his threat? How do we know that it was "nazihunter," and not
>someone trying to throw people off the track?
You know what I think? I think you're trying to throw us off the
track. I think you are trying to implicate Gord McFee as Nazihunter
when you know damned well that Gord McFee is not Nazihunter.
First of all, as I pointed out above, the first Usenet post came 1:04
hrs after Yale's mail message. That's 39 minutes before the first
file access activity on your server. So somebody passed the
information along or posted it themselves before there was activity
on your server. That means it could be any one of the recipients.
But are your server logs as posted the complete logs? Where, for
instance, is the time-stamp for the file creation?
Isn't it rather a remarkable coincidence that an unknown user from
Toronto accessed the file from your server so close--so much closer
than anyone else--to it's creation time? Isn't it also rather a
remarkable coincidence that an unknown user from Toronto calling
himself Nazihunter all of a sudden posts a test post before any other
user even accesses your files? Strange goings on all at the same
time.
I admit that these could be remarkable coincidences. As Michael
Shermer says, million to one odds happen eight times a day in New
York City.
But let's also consider that you been caught in *two* lies in this
post. You lied about how long the file was one your server, and you
tried to make it sound as if Gord McFee were Nazihunter.
But you know better. It is too bad David Michael is so stupid and
his evidence so useless. He has certainly been a tremendous help to
you. Lucky for you, you have an ally there who hates Yale Edeiken
even more than you do. Treasure him.
But let's get down to brass tacks.
What do we know about the anonymous Nazihunter? We know for a fact
that he makes telephone calls from Toronto and that he has announced
those calls before his victims have made them public. We know from
the dozens of posts he has made since first publishing Scott
Bradbury's address in Usenet on December 14 that he is just as
obsessive as the non-anonymous Nazihunter.
We also know--and I can produce the post headers--that anonymous
Nazihunter's posts are continuous in time from non-anonymous
Nazihunter's posts. There is a brief period where he experiments
with a variety of means of covering his tracks including getting a
my-deja.com id. Unfortunately, there is dead giveaway of the source
of a post in a my-deja.com header. Finally, he hits on anonymous
remailers.
As David Michael has shown, mar...@idirect.com also engaged in the
practice of posting the addresses and telephone numbers of people.
Not just in alt.revisionism either, but in soc.culture.jewish,
soc.culture.polish, sci.anthropology, and elsewhere.
But what is there to connect mar...@idirect.com to Nazihunter?
First there is the simple fact that the Nazihunter attacks on Ed
Kadach and Anthony Sabatini originated from idirect.com then switched
to anonymous remailers. Again, I have the post headers. The attacks
on Matt Giwer originated from mar...@idirect.com.
Just before Nazihunter arrived on the scene in 1996, Giwer was also
attacked with publication of his name and address and harassing phone
calls by mar...@idirect.com. And just before Nazihunter arrived on
the scene in 1996, this curious post appeared in alt.what.the.hell:
<quote>
From: mar...@idirect.com (marduk)
Subject: test
Date: 20 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet7.idirect.com
newsgroups: alt.what.the.hell
test
</quote>
Three days later, it was answered by this:
<quote>
From: We'llfi...@anywhere.com (NaziHunter)
Subject: Re: test
Date: 23 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet13.idirect.com
references: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
reply-to: ma...@bisher.com
newsgroups: alt.what.the.hell
In article <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>,
mar...@idirect.com says...
>
>test
>
teststststst
</quote>
What do we notice here? Same posting host at roughly the same time
in a newsgroup that no one reads. It is mainly used as a test group.
Is this another remarkable coincidence? Is this one of those
"several 'proofs' that Marduk = Nazihunter" that you dismiss so
cavalierly?
Message-ID: <83kmrv$2s7o$1...@news.tht.net>
In fact, you haven't seen "several" proofs. You have seen only this
information from me. I sent it to you last summer when I was trying
to track down Nazihunter.
Your response: you turned into a classic paranoid and freaked out
that I was a spy for the Holocaust History Project.
But why on earth would I ask Ken McVay about mar...@idirect.com ?
Until today, there was no public connection whatever between you and
Marduk. Then you posted that "I have met 'marduk,' and I know his
name. He is, by no stretch, 'nazihunter.'"
Given that mar...@idirect.com has a sordid history of posting
addresses and telephones numbers in Usenet, how did you reach the
incredible conclusion that he is "by no stretch" Nazihunter.
Revisionist logic? After all Ken, there is ample evidence in
DejaNews that mar...@idirect.com did exactly what Nazihunter does.
But back to the question: why did I ask you if there was no public
connection between you and Marduk?
Well, when Matt Giwer was being mailbombed, I decided to see if I
could help him catch the culprit. And given Marduk's already
well-established history, I suggested publicly that Marduk could not
be ruled out as the mailbomber. That brought this response by
private e-mail:
<quote>
Received: from bock.ucs.ualberta.ca (bock.ucs.ualberta.ca
[129.128.5.214]) by maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca (8.8.4/8.8.2) with
SMTP id UAA42628 for <jmo...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>; Sat, 28 Dec
1996
20:04:12 -0700
Received: from tor-srs1.netcom.ca by bock.ucs.ualberta.ca with SMTP
(8.6.5/UA) id UAA25114
for <John....@UAlberta.CA>; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 20:04:50 -0700
Received: from laurie by tor-srs1.netcom.ca (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
id WAA27136; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 22:03:32 -0500 (EST)
X-UIDL: 851841834.000
Message-Id: <1996122903...@tor-srs1.netcom.ca>
To: John....@UAlberta.CA
Subject: Re: GIWER'S ANONYMOUS-EMAIL ATTEMPT AT SELF-LIBEL
From: mar...@netcom.ca (Marduk)
Organization: Babylonians 'R Us
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 96 22:03:07 PST
X-Mailer: WinVN 0.99.6
In-Reply-To: <32c693f6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
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In article <32c693f6...@news.srv.ualberta.ca>, you say...
>I would not rule out the possibility that Marduk was the source
>of the e-mail, and there is a least one other individual who might
>have had a hand in it. If I receive enough e-mail copies, I will
>ask for the cooperation of at least three ISPs.
>
>--
>John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
>at University of Alberta <Scripture veteris capiunt exempla
futuri>
>--
>The Nizkor Project | http://www.nizkor.org/
that is hardly fair nor accurate. at the very least. you could
e-mail me first, before making such an accustaion.
I would suggest that you query Ken McVay regarding my substantial
financial support of Nizkor's good works as proof that we are on
the same side.
</quote>
Well, I kind of shrugged it off way back then at the end of 1996. I
kind of just shook my head and asked myself, "Who is this asshole who
posts people's addresses and telephone numbers and makes harassing
phone calls and thinks he's a 'good guy' because he gives Ken McVay
twenty bucks?"
But I remembered the e-mail, and that's why I asked you if you could
help me track down the bastard who'd been posting people's addresses
and telephone numbers. You refused.
But it wasn't twenty bucks, was it Ken? When he said "substantial
financial support," he didn't mean twenty bucks or a hundred bucks,
did he?
In fact, he was talking about thousands of dollars. He was talking
about the money that bought you a new computer and enabled you to pay
a small salary to a webmaster at Nizkor. He was talking about the
money that kept the Nizkor Project afloat in 1996 before you
discovered icomm.ca and Golan Klinger.
I remember, Ken,--and I have the nizkor-l and hlist e-mail--how proud
and happy you were about the anonymous donor who had turned Nizkor
into a real website.
Do I smell self-interest here? You bet I do.
You've gone out of your way to cover your ass from the get-go. You
released information that you didn't have to release describing Yale
Edeiken as the source of the address information. You've pretended
that Scott Bradbury was just some kid in your killfile even though
you saw fit to create a web page that would materially damage Yale's
lawsuit just for the killfiled kid, Scott Bradbury. You've tried to
shift the blame for your web page onto Yale Edeiken and Gord McFee.
You've lied about how long the file was available. You've tried to
cover up the fact that a major donor to your website has a history of
harassing people not only in Usenet, but in the real world. You've
denied that your major donor can be connected to the name and
practices of Nazihunter.
But is this all just to cover your ass and protect a major donor? Is
even just an exercise in fucking over Yale Edeiken? Or is there a
bigger game afoot?
To be continued.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Tavish
> In article <92ar5sobgp4uvbu9u...@4ax.com>,
> Gord McFee <gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >In <83k890$29jn$1...@news.tht.net>, on 20 Dec 1999 03:37:04 GMT,
> >kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
----
> Makes perfect sense... so, did Mr. Edeiken serve flashnet with a
> subpoena, and thus compel their release of the information? If so, did
> this subpoena mention his intention to publish the data to a mailing list?
>
> What possible legal consequences might stem from this? Could flashnet
> file suit against Mr. Edeken for improper use, if they were not told
> he planned to publish the data? Could Mr. Bradbury sue flashnet?
>
> If Mr. Edeiken did not serve a subpoena upon flashnet to obtain the
> data, but got it instead on a "lawyer to lawyer" basis from the legal
> counsel at flashnet, what are the potential legal consequences to
> flashnet, given such an obvious violation of their own publicly stated
> policies?
A better question yet would be: Could Bradbury sue Yale F. Edeiken and have
him disbarred for breach of a "lawyer to lawyer" communication? Now that would
be a much better question to ask.
Whether or not Flash Net will be sued will be based on FBI findings. If Flash Net
has indeed violated my rights to privacy then I will definitely consider this a
course of action BUT I still believe they are innocent until proven guilty. They have
stood by me so I will stand by them. I am under the assumption that if Flash Net
did release my personal info they did so out of being deceived into believeing they
were following the proper legal steps. I would venture to say this makes a case
against Edeiken's disbarment even more attractive because he serpentinely used
his legal profession to suborn my civil rights.
Mr. Edeiken speaks of seeing me in court- he just may get what he wished for--
except it won't be I going to Pennsylvania- it will be him being compelled to appear
in my own sweet home Texas.
FWD <ab...@flash.net>
Doc Tavish
Kenneth McVay OBC
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>So how do I know? If he is still same individual who resorted
"If he is still" pretty well sums up the strength of the position of
those who claim to know who this person is.
[snip]
>I think it's pretty clear that Nazihunter is based in Toronto.
OK, John, I'll accept that - the evidence strongly suggests it.
>No. The IP number is assigned to a block used by WorldLinx in
>Toronto.
Agreed.
[traceroute]
>So we are looking at a file access from Toronto, not Ottawa.
Agreed.
>I'm having a wee small problem with your story, Ken. In Message-ID:
><839lhi$cdq$1...@news.tht.net>, you claimed that the file containing
>Scott Bradbury's address and telephone number sat on your server for
>a mere 90 minutes:
>
> I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, until I realized,
> on reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted
> it...
>
>You could have been mistaken. Maybe you thought 26 hours was a
>day-and-a-half, and you got that mixed up in your head as an
>hour-and-a-half, and it came out as 90 minutes. You must have made
>the same mistake again, because in Message-ID:
><83bkho$2ute$1...@news.tht.net> you said:
I was mistaken. I didn't give it much thought, and had been gone from
my office for most of the day, preoccupied with other things.
>Here you seem to be claiming that the file might not have been picked
>up by your maintenance script for as long as two hours which suggests
>again that you think the file was available for less than two hours.
As I said, I didn't think it had been there long, and I didn't check
my logs to find out.
>But don't your own server logs show file access activity in excess of
>26 HOURS? That your scripts would have picked it up 7 or 8 times?
>That the damned file sat there for more than a full day?
>
>Can you explain the discrepancy?
See above. When I checked the logs, it was as clear to me as it is to
you. Had I wanted to conceal the fact that I'd been wrong, I wouldn't
have made the log available.
>>...and how do we know that the real "nazihunter" (who has a nym
>>account, and knows how to use anon. remailers) used cotse.com to
>>post his threat? How do we know that it was "nazihunter," and not
>>someone trying to throw people off the track?
>
>You know what I think? I think you're trying to throw us off the
>track. I think you are trying to implicate Gord McFee as Nazihunter
>when you know damned well that Gord McFee is not Nazihunter.
You are quite incorrect about that. I simply wanted to point out that
most of the folks who accessed the file on my system were probably
those who heard about the file via the mailing list.
>But are your server logs as posted the complete logs? Where, for
>instance, is the time-stamp for the file creation?
The complete log is several hundred megabytes, and is stamped with the
date of the last page impression. I.e. the creation date is worthless,
since it is always the date and time of the current page impression.
>Isn't it rather a remarkable coincidence that an unknown user from
>Toronto accessed the file from your server so close--so much closer
>than anyone else--to it's creation time? Isn't it also rather a
>remarkable coincidence that an unknown user from Toronto calling
>himself Nazihunter all of a sudden posts a test post before any other
>user even accesses your files? Strange goings on all at the same
>time.
[snip]
>But let's also consider that you been caught in *two* lies in this
>post. You lied about how long the file was one your server, and you
>tried to make it sound as if Gord McFee were Nazihunter.
That is your interpretation, John. Do feel free to show me that
sentence where I made such an accusation... I'll wait. That I was
wrong about the length of time the file was available was shown by my
own data - had I deliberately lied about it, I wouldn't have published
the information which proved I was wrong.
>But you know better. It is too bad David Michael is so stupid and
>his evidence so useless. He has certainly been a tremendous help to
>you. Lucky for you, you have an ally there who hates Yale Edeiken
>even more than you do. Treasure him.
I don't hate Mr. Edeiken, John. You sure seem to enjoy putting words
in my mouth that aren't there. I think that he did something wrong,
that's all.
>But let's get down to brass tacks.
>
>What do we know about the anonymous Nazihunter? We know for a fact
>that he makes telephone calls from Toronto and that he has announced
>those calls before his victims have made them public. We know from
>the dozens of posts he has made since first publishing Scott
>Bradbury's address in Usenet on December 14 that he is just as
>obsessive as the non-anonymous Nazihunter.
How do you know it was "nazihunter" that made these harrassment calls?
Did he identify himself as such?
[snip]
>As David Michael has shown, mar...@idirect.com also engaged in the
>practice of posting the addresses and telephone numbers of people.
>Not just in alt.revisionism either, but in soc.culture.jewish,
>soc.culture.polish, sci.anthropology, and elsewhere.
>
>But what is there to connect mar...@idirect.com to Nazihunter?
The crux of the matter.
It isn't proof, John, since anyone with an idirect account could have
done precisely the same thing.. do you know how many idirect accounts
existed then? 40,000? 50,000?
>Your response: you turned into a classic paranoid and freaked out
>that I was a spy for the Holocaust History Project.
My response was that your information did not prove that Marduk was
nazihunter, and that I would not reveal Marduk's name to you. I also
told you that I knew, with certitude, that Marduk did not teach
anywhere, and that he was not an academic, as you and Mr. Michaels
have claimed. Nazihunter may be these things, but the Marduk I have
met is not, period.
>But why on earth would I ask Ken McVay about mar...@idirect.com ?
>Until today, there was no public connection whatever between you and
>Marduk. Then you posted that "I have met 'marduk,' and I know his
>name. He is, by no stretch, 'nazihunter.'"
>
>Given that mar...@idirect.com has a sordid history of posting
>addresses and telephones numbers in Usenet, how did you reach the
>incredible conclusion that he is "by no stretch" Nazihunter.
>Revisionist logic? After all Ken, there is ample evidence in
>DejaNews that mar...@idirect.com did exactly what Nazihunter does.
See above. You and Dr. Michael both claim he teaches or did teach at
UT. Marduk runs a business, and does not teach at UT. His expertise,
from what I recall of our only face to face conversation, had nothing
to do with any either you or Dr. Michael has mentioned.
>But back to the question: why did I ask you if there was no public
>connection between you and Marduk?
You asked me because you knew that Marduk had been a donor at one
point, and you wanted me to tell you who he was - i.e. violate a
confidence.
No, I didn't refuse. I said that if your evidence proved that the two
posters were the same, I would consider revealing his identity. You
sent me your "proof," and I was unconvinced, and told you so -
primarily because of the incorrect academic information (he is not an
academic, period, as I told you at the time) you attributed to your
man.
[charges of self-interest due to source of funding]
>Do I smell self-interest here? You bet I do.
You also think marduk is an academic - he isn't.
You also think I hate Mr. Edeiken - I don't.
You also think I accused Mr. McFee of being Nazihunter - I didn't.
>You've gone out of your way to cover your ass from the get-go. You
>released information that you didn't have to release describing Yale
>Edeiken as the source of the address information. You've pretended
Since Mr. Edeiken was the source, that makes perfect sense.
>You've lied about how long the file was available. You've tried to
>cover up the fact that a major donor to your website has a history of
>harassing people not only in Usenet, but in the real world. You've
>denied that your major donor can be connected to the name and
>practices of Nazihunter.
I not only did not "cover up" Marduk's harrassment in UseNet, I
chastised him for it. That isn't the issue - the issue is that your
evidence does not prove both userid's are the same person - in fact,
with respect to the academic side, your evidence seems to prove that
both are _not_ the same man.
>But is this all just to cover your ass and protect a major donor? Is
>even just an exercise in fucking over Yale Edeiken? Or is there a
>bigger game afoot?
Marduk is not a donor, and has not been for about a year, if memory
serves. I am protecting his identity because I have yet to see
evidence of his guilt. If and when I do, I will release the
information to the police.
--
The Nizkor Project http://www.nizkor.org
Holocaust educational materials - books, videotape & teaching guides
Available through Social Studies School Service:
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Jeffrey G. Brown
you to a bloody pulp" Bradbury (sonn...@flash.net,
doc_t...@my-deja.com) wrote:
>I felt compelled to make the above comment for public record and
>DejaCom archives.
One of Poor Ol' Gutless Scottie's favorite pastimes is making a complete
fool of himself for public record and DejaCom archives.
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
Tavish
On 20-Dec-1999, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
> In <83k3pt$240a$1...@news.tht.net> in alt.revisionism, on 20 Dec 1999
> 02:20:45 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> So how do I know? If he is still same individual who resorted
> anonymous remailers late in 1998, Nazihunter posts from Toronto.
> That not such a big "if" as it sounds. The anonymous Nazihunter's
> activities take up without a break from the last date that an
> identifiable Nazihunter was posting. The style is the same. The
> tactics are the same. The message is the same. In addition, the
> anonymous Nazihunter made several phone calls to his victims--Al
> Baron, Ed Kadach, Anthony Sabatini, Istvan Lippai--from Toronto pay
> phones. One of those pay phones is in the Eglinton West subway
> station in Toronto. One is in the same part northwest Toronto.
> Interestingly, two other pay phones were used: one in Collingwood,
> Ontario and one in Barrie, Ontario, both on weekends. It almost
> sounds like he went up to the cottage and stopped in to make a quick
> harassing phone call.
I have received messages on my answering machine and they will be
FWD to the FBI as well. I know well that you aren't a "fan" of mine and
I am not trying to make a funny either BUT this person definitely had the
full stereotypical Hollywood type homosexual voice.
<snip>
> You know what I think? I think you're trying to throw us off the
> track. I think you are trying to implicate Gord McFee as Nazihunter
> when you know damned well that Gord McFee is not Nazihunter.
Coming form the victim at hand- I never did and still don't believe Gord
McFee did this to me. Sure we'd like to beat each other to a bloody pulp
in a Texas bar room brawl but I don't think Gord would reduce himself to this.
He hates me "out of a clean heart" just as you also do and which is a right
you both have.
Also for the record I don't believe that Yale F. Edeiken is "Nazikiller" BUT
I firmly believe that Yale knows who Nazikiller is and has engaged in active
conspiracy with said suspect unknown to deny me of my civil rights under:
" USC Code Chptr 18 Sec. 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to intimidate, oppress, threaten, or
intimidate any citizen in the free exercise of any right or privilege
secured by him by the Constitution of the United States, or because
of his having exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go on the highway, or on the premises of
another, with the intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or
enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured --
They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for more
that ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to
imprisonment for any terms of years, or life."
Regarding "If two or more persons conspire to intimidate, oppress,
threaten, or intimidate any citizen in the free exercise of any right or
privilege secured by him by the Constitution of the United States..."
my right to free speech and privacy are "rights" protected by "the
Constitution of the United States."
Not only has USC been violated but I do believe the R.I.C.O. Act can be
applied as well as any existing law or treaty which deals with mutual
co-operation between two or more participants from two or more separate
soverignties or nations.
I felt compelled to make the above comment for public record and
DejaCom archives.
Doc Tavish
David Christian
<doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com> wrote :
>
>On 20-Dec-1999, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:
>
>> 02:20:45 GMT, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>> So how do I know? If he is still same individual who resorted
>> anonymous remailers late in 1998, Nazihunter posts from Toronto.
>> That not such a big "if" as it sounds. The anonymous Nazihunter's
>> activities take up without a break from the last date that an
>> identifiable Nazihunter was posting. The style is the same. The
>> tactics are the same. The message is the same. In addition, the
>> anonymous Nazihunter made several phone calls to his victims--Al
>> Baron, Ed Kadach, Anthony Sabatini, Istvan Lippai--from Toronto pay
>> phones. One of those pay phones is in the Eglinton West subway
>> station in Toronto. One is in the same part northwest Toronto.
>> Interestingly, two other pay phones were used: one in Collingwood,
>> Ontario and one in Barrie, Ontario, both on weekends. It almost
>> sounds like he went up to the cottage and stopped in to make a quick
>> harassing phone call.
>
>FWD to the FBI as well. I know well that you aren't a "fan" of mine and
>I am not trying to make a funny either BUT this person definitely had the
>full stereotypical Hollywood type homosexual voice.
Scott, you're so bloody obsessed with gay men you'd think the voice
"sounded" gay if it turned out to be Arnold Schwartsenager, or however the
hell you spell it.
>
><snip>
>
>> You know what I think? I think you're trying to throw us off the
>> track. I think you are trying to implicate Gord McFee as Nazihunter
>> when you know damned well that Gord McFee is not Nazihunter.
>
>Coming form the victim at hand- I never did and still don't believe Gord
>McFee did this to me. Sure we'd like to beat each other to a bloody pulp
>in a Texas bar room brawl but I don't think Gord would reduce himself to this.
>He hates me "out of a clean heart" just as you also do and which is a right
>you both have.
>
>Also for the record I don't believe that Yale F. Edeiken is "Nazikiller" BUT
>I firmly believe that Yale knows who Nazikiller is and has engaged in active
>conspiracy with said suspect unknown to deny me of my civil rights under:
Fair enough, Scott. I, and I suspect I'm not alone in my suspicion, believe
you know damn well who publicized Yale's personal information.
I'm still waiting for you to take a stand against such actions.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Free thought, neccessarily involving freedom of
speech and press, I may tersely define thus:no
opinion a law-no opinion a crime.
Alexander Berkman
David E Michael
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
The evidence that first prompted me to suppose Mr Nazihunter was an
academic was a series of posts that forms a direct sequence with some of
the more unsavoury posts from him that were posted to an archaeology
newsgroup. These give some interesting biographical information about our
culprit. I should point out that the important thing here is not only the
fact that the posts form a clear sequence but that they also contain
stylistic idiosyncracies. Here are some examples:
<begin quote>
1001 FUN THINGS TO DO WITH CUNEIFORM
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Email:
mar...@idirect.com
Date:
1996/03/01
Forums:
sci.archaeology, soc.culture.jewish
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Just to leave Lisa-Bashing for a second, I want to point out a very
serious
problem in the field of ancient history, namely, how do we get kids
interested in it? After all, its not an easy thing to suggest to some
high-school student that going to undergrad and grad school for 8-10 years
for a Ph.D. in Assyriology or Biblical Studies is a real smart career
move.
Tenure is a thing of the past, and universities are constantly on the
prowl
to downsize non-revenue producing departments...even those like Near
Eastern
Studies which covered their schools in reflected glory when major
archaeological finds were discovered and publicized in the press.
One route, occasionaly taken by my Egyptologist friends, is to exploit the
public's fascination with the pseudo-scientific and so-called "mystical"
elements of Egyptology....and try to slip a little real scholarship into
the
public mainstream. The problem with such an approach is that it carries
the
danger of being lumped together with some major nutballs. Also, it is a
two-edged sword that runs the risk of people concentrating too much on the
bullshit mystical crap and not enough on the history.
Another approach is that taken by myself and a few collegues and grad
students that the time to interest kids in ancient history and archaeology
is
in grade school. To that end, we have put together a pretty cool sound and
light exhibit that we schlep around to the various schools. Although the
kids
come expecting to see Indiana Jones, we soon have them fascinated by the
exploits of Gilgamesh and Enkidu. We also make tee-shirts for them with
their
names in hieroglyphics and in cuneiform.
Last summer, we sponsored a sand-castle-making contest on the beach
between
Egypt (pyramids) and Babylon (ziggurats). We got over 100 people to
partcipate, and we were able to hand out brochures and pamphlets
highlighting
the local museum and university exhibits and courses....Oh...I'm happy
to say that Babylon won the contest (anything to beat the Egyptologists).
On Halloween, I had chocolate coins made stamped with Sargon II's
(my fave Assyrian king) likeness...the kids loved it. And this year, my
son's
hockey team is called the Sargonids, which, by the way, is also the name
of
the snowboarding and mountain biking teams I race on and sponsor.
The point is, there is absolutely no reason why the teaching of ancient
languages and history cannot be made fun and exciting for kids. Because if
we
don't start to get fresh blood into these fields, 20-30 years down the
road
all we can hope for is a few stodgy, decrepit academics mouldering in
their
dusty offices.
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Author:
marduk
Email:
mar...@idirect.com
Date:
1996/03/09
Forums:
sci.archaeology, soc.culture.israel,
soc.culture.jewish
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In article <313FFC...@iceonline.com>, pet...@iceonline.com says...
>
>Avi Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> No flames, please, Marduk; just a name.
>
>He wants the name too badly. I wouldn't give it to him. ;>
OKAY!!! OKAY!!! I'm gonna finally tell you all my name..its...its...
AARGH!!!!!!!!!!! the power in the battery is going ...
Profess--------------------------------------------------------
Re: Subject: Ancient Egyptian Chronology (you be the judge)...
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Email:
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Date:
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In article <lisa.1772...@interport.net>, li...@interport.net says...
>
>In article <31332069...@nntpa.cb.att.com> h...@zippy.ho.att.com
(Harvey
S. Cohen) writes:
>
>>mar...@idirect.com (marduk) wrote:
>>>[sd]
>>>As a professor of assyriology and archaeology, i can state with
absolute
>>>conviction that i know of no single reputable scholar in the field who
bases
>>>chronological assumptions simply upon stratigraphic evidence. The whole
concept
>>>of modern chronological research is based upon the use of relative
chronology,
>>>that is, the constant correlation and cross reference between the
written
>>>records and the archaeological evidence. If you want a more complete
>>>explanation, i can always e-mail to you my standard handout that i give
to
my
>>>first year Archaeology 101 students. Apparently, you could benefit from
it.
>>>[sd]
>
>>I think it's very odd for someone to argue from authority without
revealing
>>their identity. If marduk wants to claim the credibility due a professor
of
>>assyriology and archeology, he needs to identify himself.
>
>What, you haven't heard of the famous Professor F.X. Marduk? He
collaborated
>with Von Danikken on _Chariots of the Gods_, but then they had a falling
out
>and his name was taken off...
>
>Lisa
>
>-------------------------------------
>I still believe in all my dreams
>And all that I can be
>I'll learn from mistakes, do all that it takes
>To make it eventually
>'Cause I still believe in me.
> - from the TV show "Fame"
Ahh come on Lisa!! Surely you can do better than that? After all, anyone
who
can combine Ayn Rand's bogus "philosophy" with an insipid show like "Fame"
must
have some sense of humour....hmmm...on the other hand, it just might be
for
real...GAWD help us all
<end quote>
Note that the dialogue is with the 'Lisa' who subsequently complained of
harassing telephone calls.
One other point should be made. Some concern has been expressed that your
posting of Mr Bradbury's information on the Nizkor site for 26 might have
led to this information falling into the hands of our professor. It seems
to me that it is a remarkable coincidence that the Prof should have not
only spontaneously visited the Nizkor site during this 26 hours but that
he should have gone to precisely the right place on the site where the
information was posted. Yes -- that seems a very remarkable coincidence
indeed.
He did not get the information from the Nizkor site.
David
Charles R Ward
wrote:
snip to get to the relevant part
> I firmly believe that Yale knows who Nazikiller is and has engaged in active
> conspiracy with said suspect unknown to deny me of my civil rights under:
> If two or more persons conspire to intimidate, oppress, threaten, or
> intimidate any citizen in the free exercise of any right or privilege
> secured by him by the Constitution of the United States, or because
> of his having exercised the same; or
> If two or more persons go on the highway, or on the premises of
> another, with the intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or
> enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured --
> They shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned for more
> that ten years, or both; and if death results, they shall be subject to
> imprisonment for any terms of years, or life."
>
> Regarding "If two or more persons conspire to intimidate, oppress,
> threaten, or intimidate any citizen in the free exercise of any right or
> privilege secured by him by the Constitution of the United States..."
> my right to free speech and privacy are "rights" protected by "the
> Constitution of the United States."
>
> Not only has USC been violated but I do believe the R.I.C.O. Act can be
> applied as well as any existing law or treaty which deals with mutual
> co-operation between two or more participants from two or more separate
> soverignties or nations.
>
> I felt compelled to make the above comment for public record and
> DejaCom archives.
>
> Doc Tavish
Gee, doc, you would never do such a thing, huh?
<http://x33.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=392819616>
">PHillips
>
>Hmm. Do YOU have Jeffrey's address and/or phone number. I would
>appreciate getting it - just for ... er ... "future reference"
you
>understand.
I have it! I will call you tonight.
D.T."
Nope, never, huh?
Charles R Ward
Yale F. Edeiken
Defendant Tavish <sonn...@flash.net> wrote in message
news:84mk7g$6f4$3...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> On 19-Dec-1999, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>
> > In article <92ar5sobgp4uvbu9u...@4ax.com>,
> > Gord McFee <gmc...@attglobal.net> wrote:
Only a fool like you would ask it.
> Whether or not Flash Net will be sued will be based on FBI findings. If
Flash Net
> has indeed violated my rights to privacy then I will definitely consider
this a
> course of action BUT I still believe they are innocent until proven
guilty. They have
> stood by me so I will stand by them. I am under the assumption that if
Flash Net
> did release my personal info they did so out of being deceived into
believeing they
> were following the proper legal steps. I would venture to say this makes a
case
> against Edeiken's disbarment even more attractive because he serpentinely
used
> his legal profession to suborn my civil rights.
You're getting desperate, Defendant Tavish.
Wait until you see what's coming.
> Mr. Edeiken speaks of seeing me in court- he just may get what he wished
for--
> except it won't be I going to Pennsylvania- it will be him being compelled
to appear
> in my own sweet home Texas.
More meaningless threats.
We'll be seeing you in Pennsylvania shortly.
--YFE
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steve wolk
> it is time for you to tell us:
>
> Why were you sued twice for malpractice?
>
> Why did you miss a statute of limitations?
>
> Why did you miss a court deadline?
>
> Why have you been blacklisted by Citizens for Legal Responsibility?
>
> And why the hell should we take your views on law seriously when you only have a
>
> C rating for legal ability?
>
> David
Are you a broken record, Herr Michael? Or just a spammer?
Steve
Yale F. Edeiken
David E Michael <david.e...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:387014EE...@btinternet.com...
I already did. Now it'sd time to explain why you are cooperating with a
campaign of criminal harrassment>
?
Now why can't you answer this Lord Haw Haw:
Here, again, is an account of your open cooperation with Bradbury: Yes, you
have indeed, once
or twice made some half-hearted comments. slightly less sincere than the
spiel of a used car
salesman. Your actions demonstrate your real beliefs.
You believe in and encourage criminal harassment.
> Posting of addresses is absolutely not
> on -- not least because it can lead to people being hurt or killed. What
if a member
> of Edeiken's or Bradbury's family receives a parcel bomb and gets killed?
Will it
> seem such good fun to characters like 'Nazihunter' then?
But you did not think of that or say that on December 13, 1999, when
Bradbury made at least 20
of his posts. After posting what he believed to be my address and telephone
number he suggested
that YOU "hunt him down like a dog."
You said nothing.
In fact, Bradbury's campaign of criminal harassment, death threats, and
forgery has lasted over
three years. Except for a few tepid protests (from one or two people) there
has been a deafening
silence. In fact he has received far more support than condemnation. Over
that period, you have
done nothing that would indicate that you limp-wristed "condemnations" were
anything other
than a sham and a fraud.
In tthe past three months I was subjected to a campaign which, as was poster
admitted, was
designed to harass me. This has included forgeries (about which you did
protest), death threats
(about which you did not protest), and continuous posting of what Bradbury
believed to be my
address and telephone number with incitements to violence (about which you
managed to hide
your concern for my family or those who might have been hurt if that
information was not
correct). This campaign included calling the police and other attorneys in
my area. You did
nothing but encourage him.
On December 13, 1999 Bradbury made over 20 abusive posts. Many were direct
threats of
violence and at least two, as I noted, made those threats in YOUR name.
There was not one
single post from you condemning them. Around here we believe that actions
speak much louder
than words.
And you actions speak volumes.
When I took LEGAL action to put a halt to this criminal activity, you
actively encouraged it.
You did not bother to ask what would happen if the violent thugs that form
so large a proportion
of your racist friends took action. Instead you actively encouraged it.
When it became clear that I was taking effective action you stepped in and
gave Bradbury you
unhesitating support. You demanded that I stop. dealing with a "gnat" (yes,
you were really
worried about my family then, Lord Haw Haw) and demanded, like a three year
old demanding
his mother's attention, that I pay attention to you. Indeed, you constantly
denigrated me for not
dropping all my other business and devoting all my time to you. Further you
fabricated other
charges including fraudulently accusing me of threatening to assault you. I
considered your
actions then, and I consider it now, to be deliberate efforts to aid and abe
t a series of criminal
acts.
I consider you, then and now, an accomplice to Bradbury. Morally, if not
legally, the only
difference between him and you is that you have a British accent and,
perhaps, bathe more often.
Now is the time for you to speak up, Lord Haw Haw.
You have claimed publically that I should lay low lest my "superiors" hear
about my "sordid"
activities.
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS, LORD HAW HAW.
Don't just sit there and pretend you are something other than an active
participant in a criminal
conspiracy. You contact whoever you think are my "superiors" and tell them
that I have offended
the delicate sensitivities of your nazi ego by informing victims of a
criminal campaign of the
identity of the criminal.
Winter is coming and they might need a good laugh.
Do you care to stop goosestepping around it?
Or is it just that you have no answer whatsoever?
David E Michael
Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
Why were you sued twice for malpractice?
Buck Turgidson
>A better question yet would be: Could Bradbury sue Yale F. Edeiken and have
>him disbarred for breach of a "lawyer to lawyer" communication? Now that would
>be a much better question to ask.
And if you had the brains to hire a lawyer, you might have an answer.
February is less than a month away.
-- --Dep
"Always tell the truth. It's the § "Truth is just...truth. You can't
easiest thing to remember." § have opinions about truth."
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David Christian
wrote :
>Same old spam and off topic posting from a failure of an attorney.
>Report this scab's spam and off topic posting to <ab...@enter.net>
>
> Doc Tavish
Scott, knock it off. Reposting the entire article including headers and
then complaining about spam? Not very bright, but then we've come to expect
dim illumination from you.
Herman ten Klooster
>
> Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
> > Defendant Tavish <sonn...@flash.net> wrote in message
> > news:84mk7g$6f4$3...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net...
> > > On 19-Dec-1999, kmc...@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
> > >
<S N I P>
> And why the hell should we take your views on law seriously when you only have a
>
> C rating for legal ability?
>
> David
Why don't you fix that broken record. It's ruining the needle.
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