The Bradbury Shuffle
Paul Kneisel
have to reference the nyms listed below.
For all the hype of being "canceled," one thinks Bradbury is most
uninterested in having his views recorded.
anti-cancel
ANTI_CO...@FREE-SPEECH.NET [sic]
cancelbot_dodge
cancel_not@cancel_free.net
CATMAN
_d^o^c_t^a^v^i^s^h_
-Dok Tavische-
-dok_tavische
doc tavish
__doc_tavish
Doctor_Doctor
dudeNOTrude
DUDE
GUESS WHO
guess_who
hello
Hello Mates
I_P_N...@RICHIE.NET [sic]
Mactavish Informational Services
NIZKOR WATCH
__NIZKOR WATCH__
RA...@NAM.COM
REAL NIZKOR WATCH
slim_p...@utility.org
SONNYBOY
sonnyboy50
tired_of_being_cancelled@guess_what.org
TRUTH
WHO AM I
Andrew E. Mathis Ph.D.
a.m.
======
Resolved: Scott Bradbury is a fifty-year-old virgin.
Billy Dale
>Those interested in tracking the wit-and-wisdom of Scott Bradbury will now
>have to reference the nyms listed below.
Each and everyone has been forged canceled within hours too! Perhaps if we were
low enough and chickenshit to put the shoe on the other foot and cancel each and
every post you've made for two months straight I think you would try to be
inventive too nitwit!
>For all the hype of being "canceled,"
It is not hype. I, as well as others, are being forged canceled and if you would
pull your head out of your ass and subscribe to <control.cancel> you could see
for yourself!
>one thinks Bradbury is most uninterested in having his views recorded.
If I wasn't interested I would just quit and say fuck you to bastards like you
who try to evade being on the side of a communistic censorship cabal. You are
stupid Paul but I didn't think you were this stupid!
You will see even more ignorant one. The cancelbot being used relies on the
following criteria:
1) Name
2) E-mail address
3) Organization name.
All of my changes have been used in an attempt to defeat the HIPCRIME cancelbot
one of your fellow socialists is running against numerous people. BTW you are
still showing tremendous ignorance.
We will see how long this post last and I will predict the forged cancel will be
through OPTUSHOME in Australia- the same people who have allowed over 500 forge
cancels to be issued through their server in tha past several days.
Doc Tavish
Paul Kneisel
The first is the typical redbaiting from the Denier crowd: all of their
critics are subject to such immediate labeling. Bradbury attributes the
ostensible cancel campaign to HIPCRIME, and then rants, predictably, that
HIPCRIME is a "socialist" and a "fellow socialist" to boot.
Bradbury claims that his ever-changing nym is not the result of
psychological disability or the desire to avoid being archived, but is
rather forced upon him by the "cancelbots."
But he also claims that regardless of his nyms he gets canceled.
He can't have both claims for the same price.
Paul Kneisel
<20010502134007...@ng-mq1.aol.com> wrote:
You're certainly welcome, though I make it a point to archive as much of
Bradbury's material as possible. Since he was linked to Wm. Pierce and the
National Alliance in Yale's lawsuit I believe they will be of historical
and political interest.
david_michael
"Paul Kneisel" <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
news:OmPwOpr4lrLV9K...@4ax.com...
<snip>
> The first is the typical redbaiting from the *Denier crowd:* all of their
> critics are *subject to such immediate labeling.*
<snip>
My emphasis.
Spot the hypocrisy anyone?
David
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SAMMY
>Those interested in tracking the wit-and-wisdom of Scott Bradbury will now
>have to reference the nyms listed below.
Each and everyone has been forged canceled within hours too! Perhaps if we were
low enough and chickenshit to put the shoe on the other foot and cancel each and
every post you've made for two months straight I think you would try to be
inventive too nitwit!
>For all the hype of being "canceled,"
It is not hype. I, as well as others, are being forged canceled and if you would
pull your head out of your ass and subscribe to <control.cancel> you could see
for yourself!
>one thinks Bradbury is most uninterested in having his views recorded.
If I wasn't interested I would just quit and say fuck you to bastards like you
who try to evade being on the side of a communistic censorship cabal. You are
stupid Paul but I didn't think you were this stupid!
>anti-cancel
You will see even more ignorant one. The cancelbot being used relies on the
Sara
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
I sure do, Dr. Homeland. A nere few weeks ago, Scott Bradbury was
forging cancels of all kinds of posts he didn't like, including at least
two or three posts I made.
The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you agree
is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being used,
and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I oppose
it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all upset
when they get back some of their own.
Why, here's a good example:
You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name. Yet you
STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who merely
offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
that you claim to NOW share.
Here's another one:
Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had no
problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I never heard you
speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use of forged cancels.
And yet one more:
You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number. Yet I
have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
address and phone number.
So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
Sara
--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_
david_michael
"Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-247D20...@news.concentric.net...
> In article <3af07...@127.0.0.1>, "david_michael"
> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Paul Kneisel" <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
> > news:OmPwOpr4lrLV9K...@4ax.com...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > The first is the typical redbaiting from the *Denier crowd:* all of
> > > their
> > > critics are *subject to such immediate labeling.*
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > My emphasis.
> >
> > Spot the hypocrisy anyone?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
>
> I sure do, Dr. Homeland. A nere few weeks ago, Scott Bradbury was
> forging cancels of all kinds of posts he didn't like, including at least
> two or three posts I made.
That's interesting. You folks are always ranting on about how daft he is.
Yet now you say he has the ability to issue forged cancels? Even I haven't
figured out how to do that! Are you discounting the possibility that our
little Canadian chummie might be 'setting him up'?
> The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you agree
> is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening. You seem to feel
that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish immaturity is
to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours to the risk of
violence, to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him financially.
It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids throwing
stones by slaughtering them. And that reflection should teach you something
about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
> Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being used,
> and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I oppose
> it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
> against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this group
unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You were even
reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
> The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all upset
> when they get back some of their own.
Seems to sum you up perfectly.
> Why, here's a good example:
>
> You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
John Morris.
> Yet you
> STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who merely
> offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
> that you claim to NOW share.
A lie. You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers from
OCD. I have seen nothing to suggest this. I think he has a very big mouth
and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help him.
> Here's another one:
> Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had no
> problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I never heard you
> speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use of forged cancels.
I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
> And yet one more:
> You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number. Yet I
> have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
> address and phone number.
I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing of
Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed) attempt to
subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do so.
I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where we could
all post freely without risk of our names and addresses, or material that
enables these to be found, being published. However, John Morris,
Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in order to
post such details. Our people can either sit there and allow you to
intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good dose of
your own medicine.
> So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
> Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
I seem to recall that you're pleasantly rounded yourself, Ms S. I lost 3 kg
last month. How much did you lose? :)-
> Sara
Sara
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
Just because you're stupid about computers doesn't mean everyone is.
My 9 year old could figure out how to issue a forged cancel. It is the
simplest thing in the world to do.
And more importantly, Mr. Bradbury ADMITTED that he issued forged
cancels.
So much for that.
> > The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you agree
> > is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
>
> I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening. You seem to
> feel
> that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish immaturity
> is
> to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours to the risk of
> violence, to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him
> financially.
Expose his neighbors? You mean like the list of my neighbors that was
circulated LONG before anyone said anything about Scott Brabury? I never
heard you issue a peep about that, Dr. Homeland. My neighbors have been
harassed because a list of them was put on alt.revisionism AND on a
Yoderanium web site. Are you opposed to that? Yes or no?
So much for THAT.
> It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids
> throwing
> stones by slaughtering them. And that reflection should teach you
> something
> about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
>
I don't need you to teach me anything about anti-Semitism. Spare me your
sarcasm and moronic attempts at analogy. What goes on in Israel has
nothing to do with the fact that you're a raging hypocrite.
> > Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being used,
> > and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I oppose
> > it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
> > against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
>
> No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this group
> unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You were even
> reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
Damn right I did. It is FURTHER proof that I an opposed to denial of
free speech to ANYONE. Are you too stupid to realise that you just
SUPPORTED my statement by providing evidence of it?
So much for THAT.
>
> > The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all upset
> > when they get back some of their own.
>
> Seems to sum you up perfectly.
>
Well, since your first three statements have been proven false, I'd say
you're wrong.
So much for THAT.
> > Why, here's a good example:
> >
> > You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
>
> John Morris.
AFTER you had posted under your real name. You always seem to forget
that. However, it makes no difference. You were upset, yet you did the
same thing to my father.
>
> > Yet you
> > STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who
> > merely
> > offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
> > that you claim to NOW share.
>
> A lie. You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers
> from
> OCD.
That is a complete and total lie. I said my father was an expert in OCD.
NOTHING that I posted, not one single word, said that my father claimed
anyone has or had OCD. Period.
Did you psot my father's personal information? Yes or no?
So much for THAT.
>I have seen nothing to suggest this. I think he has a very big mouth
> and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help him.
>
Still no defense. You were upset when YOU -- a person POSTING -- was
"outed. You did exactly the same thing to someone who has NEVER posted
here, has never involved himself in YOUR discussions, but merely stated
an opinion.
So much for THAT.
> > Here's another one:
> > Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had no
> > problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I never heard you
> > speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use of forged cancels.
>
> I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
Tough shit. Mr Bradbury has ADMITTED that he forged cancels. He BRAGGED
about it. And when he ADMITTED it, you were silent. And you opposed to
Mr. Bradbury issuing forged cancels? Yes or no?
So much for THAT.
>
> > And yet one more:
> > You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number. Yet
> > I
> > have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
> > address and phone number.
>
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
> Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
Tit for tat is nor a valid argument. Did you oppose the posting my MY
personal information? Yes or no?
This isn't about Ken McVay or Grosvenor.
>
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing of
> Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
>
Tit for tat is nor a valid argument. Did you oppose the posting my MY
personal information? Yes or no?
This isn't about Yale.
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed) attempt
> to
> subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do so.
Tit for tat is nor a valid argument. Did you oppose the posting my MY
personal information? Yes or no?
>
> I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where we
> could
> all post freely without risk of our names and addresses, or material that
> enables these to be found, being published. However, John Morris,
> Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in order
> to
> post such details.
So do YOU. YOU have done it. _I_ have not.
That makes YOU the hypocrite.
> Our people can either sit there and allow you to
> intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good dose
> of
> your own medicine.
>
ME?! WHOSE personal information have I posted, Dr. Homeland?
Let's look at the score:
Sara: No personal information posted.
DEM: Posted personal information.
The only medicine needed around people like you is a purgative, Dr.
Homeland. You make me sick.
And, pray tell, who are "our" people? Does that include Mr. Bradbury,
who you have publicly disawoved? Is he one of "your" people?
> > So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
> > Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
>
> I seem to recall that you're pleasantly rounded yourself, Ms S. I lost 3
> kg
> last month. How much did you lose? :)-
Yet another attempt to set up a strawman. Won't work. I'm not Yale
Edeiken. I'm not Ken McVay. I'm not John Morris.
I am the victim, and the child of a victim, of YOUR harassment. Period.
So much for THAT.
robert welch
=====
>"Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
>news:catamont-247D20...@news.concentric.net...
>> In article <3af07...@127.0.0.1>, "david_michael"
>> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > "Paul Kneisel" <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OmPwOpr4lrLV9K...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > The first is the typical redbaiting from the *Denier crowd:* all of
>> > > their
>> > > critics are *subject to such immediate labeling.*
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > My emphasis.
>> >
>> > Spot the hypocrisy anyone?
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
>> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
>>
>> I sure do, Dr. Homeland. A nere few weeks ago, Scott Bradbury was
>> forging cancels of all kinds of posts he didn't like, including at least
>> two or three posts I made.
>
>That's interesting. You folks are always ranting on about how daft he is.
>Yet now you say he has the ability to issue forged cancels? Even I haven't
>figured out how to do that! Are you discounting the possibility that our
>little Canadian chummie might be 'setting him up'?
>
>> is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
>
>I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening. You seem to feel
>that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish immaturity is
>to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours to the risk of
>violence, to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him financially.
>stones by slaughtering them. And that reflection should teach you something
>about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
>
>> and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I oppose
>> it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
>> against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
>
>No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this group
>unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You were even
>reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
>
>> when they get back some of their own.
>
>Seems to sum you up perfectly.
>
>>
>> You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
>
>John Morris.
>
>> STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who merely
>> offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
>> that you claim to NOW share.
>
>A lie. You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers from
>and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help him.
>
>> Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had no
>> problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I never heard you
>> speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use of forged cancels.
>
>I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
>
>> You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number. Yet I
>> have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
>> address and phone number.
>
>I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
>Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
>
>Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
>
>subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do so.
>
>all post freely without risk of our names and addresses, or material that
>enables these to be found, being published. However, John Morris,
>Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in order to
>intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good dose of
>your own medicine.
>
>> Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
>
>I seem to recall that you're pleasantly rounded yourself, Ms S. I lost 3 kg
>last month. How much did you lose? :)-
I approve of women who are pleasingly plump. However, your picture reveals
you to be a fetid fragment of fascist flesh who is wider than he is high.
Maybe if you lost 30 kg..........
>
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Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
[...]
><david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
[...]
>> I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
>> Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
>
>Tit for tat is nor a valid argument. Did you oppose the posting my MY
>personal information? Yes or no?
>
>This isn't about Ken McVay or Grosvenor.
It certainly isn't. Mr. Grosvenor published his own address and
telephone number on the Edmonton Freenet, long before I even knew his
name. Mr. Grosvenor has published his telephone number many times
since the Freenet days.
Perhaps Mr. Michael can produce evidence that your father did the
same?
Your neighbors, perhaps?
Somehow I doubt it.
--
IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
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The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
Sara
<scumk...@MailAndNews.com> wrote:
So did Botticelli.
:)
However, your picture
> reveals
> you to be a fetid fragment of fascist flesh who is wider than he is high.
>
> Maybe if you lost 30 kg..........
> >
More like a Botero... :)
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <3af18...@127.0.0.1> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 3 May 2001
You're that clueless? Wow.
Here's how you issue a forged cancel. You put the name and userid
used in the From: field on the message you want cancelled. Then you
issue a cancel message.
In Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400, which you used for your
post, you simply changed the user information to the information on
the message.
I've of people using usenet and not knowing what they are doing, but
you take the cake.
> Are you discounting the possibility that our
> little Canadian chummie might be 'setting him up'?
I would discount it on the grounds that Bradbury admits to issuing
forged cancels. In fact, I encouraged him to issue forged cancels
against death threat messages.
> > The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you
> > agree is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
> I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening.
I agree. I don't mind the abuse so much, since he sets himself up
for it. But abusing him for his medical conditions goes too far.
> You seem to feel
> that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
> immaturity is to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours
> to the risk of violence,
That's Nazihunter and no one else. But don't let the truth stand in
the way of a good smearing rant.
> to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him financially.
Boo hoo. All he had to do to avoid the lawsuit was apologize to Yale
Edeiken in the first place. And I told him so. And he didn't
believe me.
> It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids
> throwing stones by slaughtering them.
Yes, you are given to inane hyperbole.
> And that reflection should teach you something
> about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
Right, Dave. Everyone hates the Jews, and it's the Jews' fault. Not
that you're an antisemite or anything.
> > Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being
> > used, and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried
> > it. I oppose it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it
> > when it is used against you, and I oppose it when it is used
> > against me.
> No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this
> group unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You
> were even reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
> > The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all
> > upset when they get back some of their own.
> Seems to sum you up perfectly.
No, Dave. It sums up your hypocrisy.
> > Why, here's a good example:
>
> > You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
> John Morris.
No. David E. Michael.
And I really wish I hadn't noticed it. Had I known that you would
whine about it for three years . . .
> > Yet you
> > STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who
> > merely offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not
> > remind you, that you claim to NOW share.
> A lie.
Now you are denying that you posted the man's telephone number an
address?
You *are* a pathological liar.
> You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers from
> OCD. I have seen nothing to suggest this.
That's because you see nothing but emptiness of your own soul.
> I think he has a very big mouth
> and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help
> him.
And Hitler was a twit. Yeah, tell us about it.
And for years he has posted and reposted and reposted the same
garbage over and over again. In any other newsgroup, he'd have lost
his accounts for net abuse.
> > Here's another one:
> > Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he
> > had no problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I
> > never heard you speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use
> > of forged cancels.
> I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
Of course not. That goes without saying.
> > And yet one more:
> > You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone
> > number. Yet I have never once seen you state your opposition to
> > the posting of _my_ address and phone number.
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
> Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing
> of Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
Edeiken didn't publicize them.
> I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed)
> attempt to subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do
> so.
Why? Do you think you are above prosecution?
> I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where
> we could all post freely without risk of our names and addresses,
> or material that enables these to be found, being published.
Oh sure you'd like that. That's why you outed Nazihunter as Grant
Frame. That why you posted Sara's father telephone number. That's
why you posted my supervisors's number. And Gord's boss's number,
and annnounced a campaign to have Gord fired.
> However, John Morris,
> Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in
> order to post such details.
But you and Nazihunter are the ones who post those kinds of details.
Not me. I have never posted an address or a phone.
You know that you just like to lie about it.
> Our people can either sit there and allow you to
> intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good
> dose of your own medicine.
Or maybe do something really useful like figure out that we have a
mutual enemy.
But you are so blinded by your petty hatreds, especially by your
hatred of me, that you will never do anything effective. All you
will do is whine make an ass of yourself.
So I give you a choice. Suck it up and get real. Or let Nazihunter
continue to run amok because it suits you to strike poses as a
martyr.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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In <catamont-0920DE...@news.concentric.net> in
alt.revisionism, on 03 May 2001 16:58:22 GMT, Sara
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
> In article <3af18...@127.0.0.1>, "david_michael"
> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> struck a pose as St. Sebastian in the
> manner of Titian.
> Yet another attempt to set up a strawman. Won't work. I'm not Yale
> Edeiken. I'm not Ken McVay. I'm not John Morris.
> I am the victim, and the child of a victim, of YOUR harassment.
> Period.
> So much for THAT.
Clap clap clap clap clap clap clap <standing> clap clap clap clap
clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap. . . .
;-)
- --
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david_michael
I have seen no such admissions and, in any case, if it as easy as you say to
issue forgeries then I am surprised that you have discounted the possibility
that such admissions might themselves have been forged.
> > > The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you agree
> > > is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
> >
> > I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening. You seem to
> > feel
> > that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
immaturity
> > is
> > to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours to the risk of
> > violence, to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him
> > financially.
>
> Expose his neighbors? You mean like the list of my neighbors that was
> circulated LONG before anyone said anything about Scott Brabury? I never
> heard you issue a peep about that, Dr. Homeland. My neighbors have been
> harassed because a list of them was put on alt.revisionism AND on a
> Yoderanium web site. Are you opposed to that? Yes or no?
Given that you seem to be an active supporter of Yale Edeiken who appears to
have actively facilitated precisely such behaviour, I'd say that giving YOU
a dose of your own medicine was wholly appropriate. On the other hand your
neighbours are wholly innocent parties and should most certainly not have
been involved.
> So much for THAT.
>
> > It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids
> > throwing
> > stones by slaughtering them. And that reflection should teach you
> > something
> > about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
> >
>
> I don't need you to teach me anything about anti-Semitism. Spare me your
> sarcasm and moronic attempts at analogy. What goes on in Israel has
> nothing to do with the fact that you're a raging hypocrite.
I think you do need someone to teach you about anti-Semitism. The sort of
arrogant, brash vengefulness exhibited by you and your pals in persecuting
Bradbury is precisely what fosters anti-Semitism. Nobody likes bullies, Ms
S.
> > > Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being used,
> > > and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I
oppose
> > > it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
> > > against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
> >
> > No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this group
> > unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You were even
> > reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
>
> Damn right I did. It is FURTHER proof that I an opposed to denial of
> free speech to ANYONE. Are you too stupid to realise that you just
> SUPPORTED my statement by providing evidence of it?
>
> So much for THAT.
These people, by flooding the newsgroup, were attempting to make it quite
unusable for those of us who wished to present reasoned arguments about
World War II history. You were egging them on and reposting their articles
to add to the spam. Now how can that be construed as opposition to denial of
free speech, Ms S?
> >
> > > The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all upset
> > > when they get back some of their own.
> >
> > Seems to sum you up perfectly.
> >
>
> Well, since your first three statements have been proven false, I'd say
> you're wrong.
>
> So much for THAT.
I contest that they have been proven false.
> > > Why, here's a good example:
> > >
> > > You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
> >
> > John Morris.
>
> AFTER you had posted under your real name. You always seem to forget
> that. However, it makes no difference. You were upset, yet you did the
> same thing to my father.
The name I inadvertently posted under was dav...@cableinet.co.uk. Morris
then went to deja.com and looked it up, whereupon he posted my proper name
and the town in which he thought I lived. Now how is that different, please,
from the compiler/compilers of, say, the Nizkor phone book, or the
poster/posters of your details going to another part of the Internet and
getting your address from there?
You don't seem to be able to answer that!
> >
> > > Yet you
> > > STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who
> > > merely
> > > offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
> > > that you claim to NOW share.
> >
> > A lie. You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers
> > from
> > OCD.
>
> That is a complete and total lie. I said my father was an expert in OCD.
> NOTHING that I posted, not one single word, said that my father claimed
> anyone has or had OCD. Period.
Here we have your exact words, Ms Salzman:
<begin quote>
From: cata...@concentric.net (Sara Salzman)
Subject: Bradbury's Documented Obsessive Compulsive Mental Disorder Shown to
All
Date: 16 May 2000 00:00:00 GMT
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In article <3920c888....@news.flash.net>,
doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com drooled:
[snip the usual re-post of Bradbury's halucinatory spew]
>
>Only an obsessive compulsive person would repeat the following over 90
>times. You have a mental disorder Yale! Also you should not be implying
>that I have a diseased mind either!
>
Ah, but Mr. Bradbury, I *HAVE* shown your public utterings to a
world-famous psychiatrist. He's a Professor Emeritus at Georgetown U
Medical School, former Chairman of the Dept. of Psychiatry at Tulane U
Med. School, former president of the American Psychoanalytic Assn,
founding member of the Washington School of Psychiatry, former Director of
Bronx State Psychiatric Hospital, author of a number of medical texts on
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, and Nobel Prize nominee.
And he certainly agrees with Yale's assessment of the state of your
diseased mind.
Especially when all you seem capable of these days is "squealing sow"
comments.
As many of us have said before, seek help. Professional help.
Sara
<end quote>
Now look at the header: 'Bradbury's Documented Obsessive Compulsive Mental
Disorder Shown to All'. And what is the abbreviation of Obsessive Compulsive
Mental Disorder? Why -- OCD!
Now why are you lying to this newsgroup, Ms S?
> Did you psot my father's personal information? Yes or no?
>
> So much for THAT.
I exposed him as the psychiatrist in your post, and that entailed posting
some information about him. Even there, however, I should point out that not
all that was posted came from me -- once Mr Wolk let the cat out of the bag
I think several people started digging!
> >I have seen nothing to suggest this. I think he has a very big mouth
> > and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help him.
> >
>
> Still no defense. You were upset when YOU -- a person POSTING -- was
> "outed. You did exactly the same thing to someone who has NEVER posted
> here, has never involved himself in YOUR discussions, but merely stated
> an opinion.
>
> So much for THAT.
Not so. You were making a very defamatory claim about Mr Bradbury's mental
health and citing him in support. You completely neglected to mention that
the psychiatrist who gave you an opinion on Bradbury's mental health was
your own dear daddy. I just filled the readers in on the situation and gave
evidence to back it up.
> > > Here's another one:
> > > Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had
no
> > > problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I never heard
you
> > > speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use of forged cancels.
> >
> > I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
>
> Tough shit. Mr Bradbury has ADMITTED that he forged cancels. He BRAGGED
> about it. And when he ADMITTED it, you were silent. And you opposed to
> Mr. Bradbury issuing forged cancels? Yes or no?
>
> So much for THAT.
One of the main techniques used to silence revisionists in Usenet is to
drown them out with spam. I have no objection whatsoever to Bradbury
cancelling spam. Moreover, since revisionist posts are now being
consistently cancelled I think the time has come for someone with more
technical knowledge than myself to find a bot that can do the same to the
anti-revisionist posts.
> >
> > > And yet one more:
> > > You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number. Yet
> > > I
> > > have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
> > > address and phone number.
> >
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
> > Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
>
> Tit for tat is nor a valid argument.
When the subject is hypocrisy I'd say it's very valid.
> Did you oppose the posting my MY
> personal information? Yes or no?
No. I agree with it. You support and assist Edeiken who makes personal
information available. You gloat over the persecution of Bradbury. I have no
doubt that you'd be more than delighted to see me ruined and thrown in jail
for daring to challenge the orthodox view of World War II history. You got
what you deserved.
> This isn't about Ken McVay or Grosvenor.
It's about hypocrisy. Here you are condemning posting of personal
information by pro-revisionists and yet you refuse to condemn precisely the
same behaviour by anti-revisionists.
Now what does that make you, Ms S?
Exactly.
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing of
> > Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
> >
>
> Tit for tat is nor a valid argument. Did you oppose the posting my MY
> personal information? Yes or no?
No.
Did you oppose Edeiken's publicizing of Bradbury's details? Yes or no?
> This isn't about Yale.
It's about hypocrisy. The sort of hypocrisy that waxes all indignant when
your own address gets posted but remains silent when your own side engages
in that sort of behaviour. That's why I say that you got what you deserved.
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed) attempt
> > to
> > subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do so.
>
> Tit for tat is nor a valid argument.
No but pointing out how you remain silent and refuse to condemn Edeiken for
publicizing personal information sure as hell makes you look silly when you
foam at the mouth about your own personal information being publicized!
> Did you oppose the posting my MY
> personal information? Yes or no?
No.
Did you oppose the publicizing by Edeiken of Bradbury's personal
information? Yes or no?
Exactly.
> >
> > I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where we
> > could
> > all post freely without risk of our names and addresses, or material
that
> > enables these to be found, being published. However, John Morris,
> > Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in order
> > to
> > post such details.
>
> So do YOU. YOU have done it. _I_ have not.
As I said, if you guys want to play that game I can hardly condemn your
victims for giving you a dose of your own medicine.
> That makes YOU the hypocrite.
>
> > Our people can either sit there and allow you to
> > intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good dose
> > of
> > your own medicine.
> >
>
> ME?! WHOSE personal information have I posted, Dr. Homeland?
You have supported the publication of Bradbury's personal information and
participated in the campaign of persecution waged against him.
> Let's look at the score:
> Sara: No personal information posted.
> DEM: Posted personal information.
>
> The only medicine needed around people like you is a purgative, Dr.
> Homeland. You make me sick.
>
> And, pray tell, who are "our" people? Does that include Mr. Bradbury,
> who you have publicly disawoved? Is he one of "your" people?
>
> > > So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
> > > Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
> >
> > I seem to recall that you're pleasantly rounded yourself, Ms S. I lost 3
> > kg
> > last month. How much did you lose? :)-
>
> Yet another attempt to set up a strawman.
Actually yet another example of your rampant hypocrisy, Ms S.
> Won't work. I'm not Yale
> Edeiken. I'm not Ken McVay. I'm not John Morris.
But you have failed to condemn them for the very acts that you get so upset
with me for supposedly committing.
And what does that make you?
Exactly.
> I am the victim, and the child of a victim, of YOUR harassment. Period.
You've made that allegation before. Harassment is illegal both in this
country and the your country. If you feel that I have harassed you you could
easily ask the police to investigate or you could bring a civil action. I
have even told you that if you want to summons me I have an attorney in
America who can be instructed to accept your summons. You have conspicuously
failed to take advantage of this offer.
> So much for THAT.
Indeed.
> Sara
John Morris
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In <3af1a...@127.0.0.1> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 3 May 2001
20:02:04 +0100, "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> news:catamont-0920DE...@news.concentric.net...
[snip]
> > I don't need you to teach me anything about anti-Semitism. Spare
> > me your sarcasm and moronic attempts at analogy. What goes on in
> > Israel has nothing to do with the fact that you're a raging
> > hypocrite.
>
> I think you do need someone to teach you about anti-Semitism. The
> sort of arrogant, brash vengefulness exhibited by you and your pals
> in persecuting Bradbury is precisely what fosters anti-Semitism.
> Nobody likes bullies, Ms S.
Odd. I can be brashly vengeful, even bullying at times. But nobody
takes that as a reason to hate and persecute non-Jewish Canadians.
I wonder why David E. Michael thinks a special case should be made
for Jews.
[snip]
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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<snip>
> You're that clueless? Wow.
>
> Here's how you issue a forged cancel. You put the name and userid
> used in the From: field on the message you want cancelled. Then you
> issue a cancel message.
>
> In Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400, which you used for your
> post, you simply changed the user information to the information on
> the message.
>
> I've of people using usenet and not knowing what they are doing, but
> you take the cake.
You may be familiar with the mechanics of net abuse, Mr Morris -- I am
rather above that sort of thing.
> > Are you discounting the possibility that our
> > little Canadian chummie might be 'setting him up'?
>
> I would discount it on the grounds that Bradbury admits to issuing
> forged cancels. In fact, I encouraged him to issue forged cancels
> against death threat messages.
And you discount the possibility that the 'admissions' are forgeries too, of
course.
> > > The whales are coming home to roost, and Scott Bradbury, who you
> > > agree is not very competent, is getting back some of his own.
>
> > I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening.
>
> I agree. I don't mind the abuse so much, since he sets himself up
> for it. But abusing him for his medical conditions goes too far.
Agreed.
> > You seem to feel
> > that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
> > immaturity is to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours
> > to the risk of violence,
>
> That's Nazihunter and no one else. But don't let the truth stand in
> the way of a good smearing rant.
It is not Nazihunter and no one else. It is Nazihunter, Edeiken, McVay and
Morris.
> > to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him financially.
>
> Boo hoo. All he had to do to avoid the lawsuit was apologize to Yale
> Edeiken in the first place. And I told him so. And he didn't
> believe me.
What for? According to Bradbury he did nothing to require an apology!
> > It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids
> > throwing stones by slaughtering them.
>
> Yes, you are given to inane hyperbole.
So you support the shooting of children who throw stones at an occupying
army?
> > And that reflection should teach you something
> > about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
>
> Right, Dave. Everyone hates the Jews, and it's the Jews' fault. Not
> that you're an antisemite or anything.
I think that I would like organized Jewry a lot more if bits of it didn't
act like Ariel Sharon and Yale Edeiken.
> > > Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being
> > > used, and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried
> > > it. I oppose it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it
> > > when it is used against you, and I oppose it when it is used
> > > against me.
>
> > No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this
> > group unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You
> > were even reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
>
> > > The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all
> > > upset when they get back some of their own.
>
> > Seems to sum you up perfectly.
>
> No, Dave. It sums up your hypocrisy.
Ms Salzman is the one who bleats about personal details being publicized
when revisionists supposedly do it yet remains silent when you, Nazihunter,
McVay and Edeiken do it. That's the hypocrisy.
> > > Why, here's a good example:
> >
> > > You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
>
> > John Morris.
>
> No. David E. Michael.
>
> And I really wish I hadn't noticed it. Had I known that you would
> whine about it for three years . . .
Its a very good example of the total hypocrisy of the anti-revisionist camp.
The cognitive dissonance inside your neurones must be positively painful!
> > > Yet you
> > > STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who
> > > merely offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not
> > > remind you, that you claim to NOW share.
>
> > A lie.
>
> Now you are denying that you posted the man's telephone number an
> address?
>
> You *are* a pathological liar.
I reposted information that was given on a Web page -- applying your
principle that it is OK to repost information found on other parts of the
Internet. I could have simply given a URL.
Someone else came along and posted the correct (presumably) address and
telephone number. Wasn't me.
> > You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers from
> > OCD. I have seen nothing to suggest this.
>
> That's because you see nothing but emptiness of your own soul.
Oh I think I can spot a case of OCD when I see one.
> > I think he has a very big mouth
> > and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help
> > him.
>
> And Hitler was a twit. Yeah, tell us about it.
>
> And for years he has posted and reposted and reposted the same
> garbage over and over again. In any other newsgroup, he'd have lost
> his accounts for net abuse.
This is the year 2001. Losing accounts is no longer the massive
inconvenience it used to be. Free ISPs abound.
> > > Here's another one:
> > > Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he
> > > had no problem with forging cancels of MY posts. And, gee... I
> > > never heard you speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious use
> > > of forged cancels.
>
> > I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
>
> Of course not. That goes without saying.
Then provide your proof.
> > > And yet one more:
> > > You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone
> > > number. Yet I have never once seen you state your opposition to
> > > the posting of _my_ address and phone number.
>
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
> > Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
>
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing
> > of Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
>
> Edeiken didn't publicize them.
I have documented evidence here that suggests otherwise. Copies of it went
off to my attorney ages ago.
> > I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed)
> > attempt to subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do
> > so.
>
> Why? Do you think you are above prosecution?
Certainly not. But in this case there was no cause of action.
> > I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where
> > we could all post freely without risk of our names and addresses,
> > or material that enables these to be found, being published.
>
> Oh sure you'd like that. That's why you outed Nazihunter as Grant
> Frame. That why you posted Sara's father telephone number. That's
> why you posted my supervisors's number. And Gord's boss's number,
> and annnounced a campaign to have Gord fired.
> > However, John Morris,
> > Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in
> > order to post such details.
>
> But you and Nazihunter are the ones who post those kinds of details.
> Not me. I have never posted an address or a phone.
You posted my full name and the small town where you thought I lived. Now
had I been in the local telephone directory or on the electoral register it
wouldn't have taken Nazihunter, with or without the help of Global
Investigations, more than a couple of days to have my full details
splattered all over the Internet.
> You know that you just like to lie about it.
>
> > Our people can either sit there and allow you to
> > intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good
> > dose of your own medicine.
>
> Or maybe do something really useful like figure out that we have a
> mutual enemy.
>
> But you are so blinded by your petty hatreds, especially by your
> hatred of me, that you will never do anything effective. All you
> will do is whine make an ass of yourself.
>
> So I give you a choice. Suck it up and get real. Or let Nazihunter
> continue to run amok because it suits you to strike poses as a
> martyr.
Oh? And what precisely do you want me to do?
Go on -- run away from that one!
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
David
david_michael
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> In <3af1a...@127.0.0.1> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 3 May 2001
> 20:02:04 +0100, "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> > "Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
> > news:catamont-0920DE...@news.concentric.net...
>
> [snip]
>
> > > I don't need you to teach me anything about anti-Semitism. Spare
> > > me your sarcasm and moronic attempts at analogy. What goes on in
> > > Israel has nothing to do with the fact that you're a raging
> > > hypocrite.
> >
> > I think you do need someone to teach you about anti-Semitism. The
> > sort of arrogant, brash vengefulness exhibited by you and your pals
> > in persecuting Bradbury is precisely what fosters anti-Semitism.
> > Nobody likes bullies, Ms S.
>
> Odd. I can be brashly vengeful, even bullying at times. But nobody
> takes that as a reason to hate and persecute non-Jewish Canadians.
>
> I wonder why David E. Michael thinks a special case should be made
> for Jews.
>
> [snip]
>
> - --
> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
> at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
Oh Canadians can be pretty nauseating too -- let there be no doubt about
that.
Bubba McBeevee
On Thu, 3 May 2001 17:12:13 +0100, <3af18...@127.0.0.1> "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>"Sara" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
>news:catamont-247D20...@news.concentric.net...
>> In article <3af07...@127.0.0.1>, "david_michael"
>> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > "Paul Kneisel" <tall...@nyct.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OmPwOpr4lrLV9K...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > The first is the typical redbaiting from the *Denier crowd:* all of
>> > > their critics are *subject to such immediate labeling.*
>> > <snip>
>> > My emphasis.
>> >
>> > Spot the hypocrisy anyone?
>> >
>> > David
>> I sure do, Dr. Homeland. A nere few weeks ago, Scott Bradbury was
>> forging cancels of all kinds of posts he didn't like, including at least
>> two or three posts I made.
Will you provide proof that I was doing such a few weeks ago? I am tired of you
swine always accusing and NEVER showing proof. Accusations without proof does
not mean squat! Last week you accused me of forging Ken McVay in those posts and
at the same time Ken McVay posted that the offending account was canceled by
SWBELL yet I still have my account- care to explain the discrepancy pig? Care to
deny what I said is true?
I have some very major news for you too and you can pass it on to the lying
bastard who's your pimp. I have 110% positive proof that Yale F. Edeiken
fabricated more than one piece of evidence against me in his kook lawsuit. While
going through my old computer I realized that I had saved many posts. I have the
post which was made which Edeiken claimed I e-mailed him and it is word for word
with all headers too! Yale took the words of a post made months ahead of his
e-mail fabrication and attached a forged digital signature to it. For the
Plaintiff's attorney to be caught red handed in fabrication of evidence against
a defendant should pretty well spell and end to his legal career. I also have
more posts saved with all headers which he used out of context too! I also have
some very interesting harassing e-mail from Edeiken too! ALL WITH HEADERS! I
won't be like you vermin and accuse- I will show irrefutable evidence! Your pal
is toast! I've already shown what I have around and was advised to not post it
but in people's words who should know: "Edeiken is finished as an attorney."
YOU CAN BE SURE I WILL BE RUBBING YOUR NOSE, AS WELL AS YOUR FELLOW VERMIN'S
NOSES, FOR YEARS TO COME! Believe me what will be on District Justice Joan
Snyder's desk next week can't be ignored!
>That's interesting. You folks are always ranting on about how daft he is.
>Yet now you say he has the ability to issue forged cancels? Even I haven't
>figured out how to do that! Are you discounting the possibility that our
>little Canadian chummie might be 'setting him up'?
They are trying to cast the spotlight off themselves because they have a very
major Public Relations problem. It is allegedly Laurence B. Shiff doing it but
in a short time the FBI working with RCMP will know for sure. Whoever has been
issuing the forged cancels against me also committed a crime which now involves
the FBI, RCMP, and Interpol because an Estonian server was used. I was not going
to post what Laurence B. Shiff allegedly did against me on April 10, 2001 BUT
seeing how the FBI, RCMP, my local police, my local District Attorney and my
local sheriff have copies of what follows I feel safe to post it.
SPECIAL NOTICE AND DISQUALIFIER- WHAT FOLLOWS IS NOT AN AD TO SOLICIT AND
ADVERTISE CHILD PORN BUT WHAT FOLLOWS IS HOW A CRIMINAL BASTARD TRIED TO GET ME
INTO TROUBLE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TO HAVE ME RELENTLESSLY HARASSED!
REMEMBER- WHAT FOLLOWS IS ON FILE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WAS WITNESSED BY
NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN CHRISTIAN NEWS GROUPS. IT WAS A PERSON IN ALT.CHRISTNET.BIBLE
WHO CALLED ME TO TELL ME ABOUT THE CHILD PORN AD.
<START>
Posted to:
news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,
news.admin.net-abuse.sightings,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,
misc.education.home-school.christian,alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.christnet.bible
To all reading this,
I am not the person posting child pornography. A vicious criminal
stalker is attempting to cause me grief with the public and with law
enforcement. Here is a report I filed with the FBI, my local sheriff's
department, and with my local police along with my ISP.
I appreciate people who have called me to warn me and e-mail me.
As for those who sent hate e-mail and made hate telephone calls you should
consider in the future someone may be doing this to subject another person to
harassment. I hold no grudges BUT next time think before you react.
The following is exactly as it was presented to law enforcement but I
removed my address etc. for this public posting.
Thank you,
Scott Bradbury
ATTENTION: Sheriff's Department,
I have already filed a complaint with Bellville
Police Department and they have received a copy of this
FAX. I am also sending a copy of this to HOU...@FBI.GOV.
Your agency need not take action. I just want this on file.
-X-Sender: xx...@pop.flash.net
-X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 15:35:07 -0500
-To: xxxx...@home.com, xxx...@twcny.rr.com,
xxxx...@netscape.net, xxx...@dircon.co.uk, xxx...@mac.com
-From: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
Subject: I Did Not nor Do I Post Child Porn ADs - I Am Being
Victimized by a Cruel Psychopathic Stalker From Canada
Cc: hou...@fbi.gov
To whom it may concern,
I did NOT post this. I am being victimized by a psychopathic
stalker in Canada. He has been harassing me for over a year now and
now he stoops to doing this to me. The address and telephone
number are mine BUT I did not post the AD. The post came from
Estonia by a hacker in Canada. There is a police file already
made out on this person with my local police.
I have already filed this with my local police as shown here:
Officer Roy Hubert
Bellville Police Department
30 S. Holland
Bellville, Texas 77418
(979) 865-3122
FAX (979) 865-9061
Case #00-0000065
Dear Officer Hubert,
Please add the following to case #00-0000065. Now my harasser
is posting child porn advertisements to the Internet and providing
my address and telephone number as the contact info. This is the same
person who has been harassing me for over a year now. He has resumed
his telephone calls to my residence and every morning at 5:30 am he
calls about three times on the average and hangs up. I just had two
more call traces made by SWBT and they should be getting back to me
to confirm. I included a BCC of the e-mail I sent the offending
Internet provider and the Internet posting with all headers.
Thank you,
Scott Bradbury
-X-Sender: xx...@pop.flash.net
-X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:33:45 -0500
-To: kl...@estpak.ee, tom...@estpak.ee, pri...@estpak.ee
-From: Scott Bradbury <xx...@flash.net>
Subject: EE-ESTPAK.NET- Your Server is Being Hacked to Defame Me With
Forged ADs for Child Porn-- Please Put a Stop to This!
Cc: ab...@prodigy.net
To whom it may concern,
An unscrupulous hacker has hacked into your server to issues
hundreds of forged cancels and now advertising child porn and
giving my address and telephone number! These attacks against me
from your facility must stop.
Scott Bradbury
<address etc. deleted>
Message-ID: <71C4EC2BA8...@iybbw.mil>
-From: nude...@gkbxecunqf.org
Subject: I love children.
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.bible
Date: 10 Apr 2001 19:27:15 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 21:27:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 21:27:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
Lines: 115
Path: newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.stealth.net!
feed.textport.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!
news.estpak.ee!adsl1379.estpak.ee!usenet
Xref: newsmst01 alt.christnet.bible:388058
My dearest child lover,
I am a fan of child pornography and for the past 14 years,
I have been able to gather quite a collection of it.
I have pictures, VHS tapes, posters, audio recordings, and
games based on child pornography.
I am selling my products (or trading for other child pornography).
I have a complete color catalog of all products now available.
You can purchase pictures (both normal kodak and computer JPEG's).
Also, you can purchase posters, VHS tapes, and audio recordings.
There are many products and services. Here are some prices:
Complete Color Catalog (160 pages)...........................$5.00
100 Pictures Little boys age 7-12............................$9.95
120 Pictures Little boys age 13-17..........................$11.95
VHS tape, little boys "Bath Time for Scottie"...............$49.95
VHS tape, little boys "Happy B-day, Scottie"................$49.95
Personalized Audio tape......................................$2.99
If you have child pornography, preferably little boys ages 7-9,
I will trade or buy them from you. If they are action shots, of
an adult with a little boy having sex, I am willing to trade big,
or pay you a lot. Please write to me for more details. Thanks.
You can send cash, checks, or money orders made out to CHILD FUN.
Please send your order to:
Fun With Children
<my address etc. deleted>
You can also call in with your credit card numbers, but I can not
accept American Express cards. Thanks, and hope to hear from you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kar tn dt aait ett srn daoa uo
<END>
Here is damning proof that the porn AD came from the cowardly bastard in Canada.
BTW Law enforcement has this and I have already pointed them to Toronto as a
starting point!
Here is Shiff once again doing tests and this test is on
"adsl1379.estpak.ee" as used above:
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: BNN
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
Message-ID: <3ad2...@news.estpak.ee>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300
X-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
Lines: 2
Path: newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.tele.dk!
194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!
news2.aha.ru!Radio-MSU.net!mtu.ru!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!
teleglobe.net!news.estpak.ee!adsl1379.estpak.ee
Xref: newsmst01 alt.revisionism:927055
<end>
Here is one of many forged cancels Shiff issued against people
using that Estonian server.
Message-ID: <3BD4EEC4...@tampabay.rr.com>
Control: cancel <3AD1EEC2...@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: cmsg cancel <3AD1EEC2...@tampabay.rr.com>
From: Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient
Date: 9 Apr 2001 13:39:11 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:39:06 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:39:06 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
Lines: 60
Path: newssvr06.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.stealth.net!
feed.textport.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news.estpak.ee!
adsl1379.estpak.ee
Xref: newsmst01 control.cancel:138086144
Eceqjn tubugqmg ybppfenu tintzlky xlved gfp rt tpv
<end>
Notice the software and "name" which was used to run the Estonian server
test?
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
Here is Shiff using a traceable ISP and using the same "name" and same software:
Path: newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01!
nntp.flash.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.
POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: gfg
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 2
Message-ID: <gT4B6.18370$TW.8...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:27:24 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.111.218.11
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 987028044 209.111.218.11
(Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:27:24 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:27:24 EDT
Organization: AT&T Canada IES
Xref: newsmst01 alt.revisionism:927513
gfg
<end>
The above is more than enough evidence to trace who posted that forged
child porn AD. The same person allegedly Laurence Shiff has stayed
consistent with running his tests, and then doing his criminal acts.
X-Sender: xxxxxxxxxxxx
X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:03:21 -0500
To: abuse@sympatico, ab...@attcanada.ca, <bell....@bell.ca>,
<ab...@bellglobal.com>, webm...@canadianembassy.org,
postm...@canadianembassy.org, ccgd...@canada-dallas.org
From: Scott Bradbury <xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Attn: BELLGLOBAL.COM Your User Has Been Harassing Me For Over
a Year - I Want It Stopped! Enough is enough!
Cc: HOU...@FBI.GOV, Chris...@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Note to ATTCANADA- your help will be beneficial in stopping this person's
continual criminal harassment against me. He used your ISP to run tests for
and Estonian server which was used for criminal acts against me. I am CCing this
to the FBI and I do have a case file opened on this one person with my local
police. For all concerned here is my local law enforcement contact:
Sgt. Blakey
Bellville Police Department
30 S. Holland
Bellville, Texas 77418
(979) 865-3122
FAX (979) 865-9061
Case #00-0000065
To whom it may concern,
Your user has been harassing me for over a year with death threat USENET
posts, death threat web pages and on April 10, 2001 he posted a child porn AD
using a foreign server to hide himself while giving out my name and
address. I am 95% sure this miscreant is Laurence Shiff of Toronto, Ontario
Canada. He always precedes his attacks with test posts.
[...]
Here is Shiff once again doing tests and this test is on
"adsl1379.estpak.ee" as used above:
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: BNN
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
Message-ID: <3ad2...@news.estpak.ee>
Date: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300
X-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:31:14 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
Lines: 2
Path: newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.tele.dk!
194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!
news2.aha.ru!Radio-MSU.net!mtu.ru!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!
teleglobe.net!news.estpak.ee!adsl1379.estpak.ee
Xref: newsmst01 alt.revisionism:927055
<end>
Here is one of many forged cancels Shiff issued against people
using that Estonian server.
Message-ID: <3BD4EEC4...@tampabay.rr.com>
Control: cancel <3AD1EEC2...@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: cmsg cancel <3AD1EEC2...@tampabay.rr.com>
From: Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>
Newsgroups: soc.history.ancient
Date: 9 Apr 2001 13:39:11 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:39:06 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
X-Original-Trace: 10 Apr 2001 04:39:06 +0300, adsl1379.estpak.ee
Lines: 60
Path: newssvr06.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!
newsmst01!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news.stealth.net!
feed.textport.net!nntp1.aeq.teleglobe.net!teleglobe.net!news.estpak.ee!
adsl1379.estpak.ee
Xref: newsmst01 control.cancel:138086144
Eceqjn tubugqmg ybppfenu tintzlky xlved gfp rt tpv
<end>
Notice the software and "name" which was used to run the Estonian server
test?
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
Here is Shiff using a traceable ISP using the same "name" and same software:
Path: newssvr10-int.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01!
nntp.flash.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!
tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: gfg
From: cr...@dome.com (crome)
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 2
Message-ID: <gT4B6.18370$TW.8...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:27:24 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.111.218.11
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 987028044 209.111.218.11
(Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:27:24 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:27:24 EDT
Organization: AT&T Canada IES
Xref: newsmst01 alt.revisionism:927513
gfg
<end>
The above is more than enough evidence to trace who posted that forged
child porn AD. The same person allegedly Laurence Shiff has stayed
consistent with running his tests, and then doing his criminal acts.
<STOP><END OF E-MAIL TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ETC>
BTW Laurence if you are ready this or if you see it take note- law enforcement
congratulated me on me being a detective who gets the evidence. You are linked
to that criminal child porn AD for a FACT Jack! BTW I have all of your posts
stored on multiple platforms and my AGENT program's cache of save USENET posts
has it all there too! A diet of TUBESTEAK is a definite possibility in your
future too and do not forget- I WILL NOT DROP ONE CHARGE! The FEDS and RCMP have
all those web sites you uploaded too as well as your announcements advertising
the death threat web pages through traceable ISPs. For a Ph.D. you "ain't" too
bright!
>> The whales are coming home to roost,
BTW District Justice Joan Snyder is also going to get a perfect copy of the
medical record I gave Yale permission to verify and she will see for herself
that it did NOT say what Yale claimed and that it did NOT have either HEIGHT nor
WEIGHT fields on it. She will also get some copies of such remarks as the above
as well as all the Blubberbury, Fatbury etc. posts asking what purpose did it
serve Yale posting what he posted other than to have me harassed. What I weigh
or how tall I am is NOT a factor in his kook lawsuit against me. It is rather
obvious Yale uses the legal system to harass people.
>>and Scott Bradbury, who you agree is not very competent, is getting back
>>some of his own.
For someone whom you claim is "not very competent" I am about to put a shyster's
legal career to an end. As for me "getting back some of [my] own" what have I
done to get this sort of harassment? I have done positively nothing! I have been
falsely accused and had fabricated evidence presented against me numerous times
but I ask- if I am so bad then why do you swine have to make up false charges to
get me? The truth won't get what you want- me silenced!
>I think the way you people pick on him is quite sickening. You seem to feel
>that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish immaturity is
>to expose the alleged perpetrator and his neighbours to the risk of
>violence,
One of my neighbors who has been harassed said he wants to meet Shiff face to
face. Shiff's trick backfired. He forgets I live in a Southern small town with
definite biases toward the radical left types. My neighbor has a big cowboy belt
buckle.
>to subject him to months of anxiety, and to ruin him financially.
The futuer says I will be entitled to some of the assets of Salzman, Edeiken,
and Shiff if he is in fact NAZIHUNTER.
>It reminds me a bit of those Israeli soldiers who respond to kids throwing
>stones by slaughtering them. And that reflection should teach you something
>about the genesis of anti-Semitism.
>> Do I approve of it? Absolutely not. I despise the tactics being used,
>> and have consistently -- for the last six years -- decried it. I oppose
>> it when it is used against Mr. Bradbury, I oppose it when it is used
>> against you, and I oppose it when it is used against me.
What have I actually done as an individual against you? Care to name one single
solitary thing I did that warrants a civil lawsuit being filed against me? I had
to pay legal fees in the four digits to make my defense and I take all false
accusations and smears against me VERY seriously! I have done nothing! You on
the other hand have invaded my privacy, snooped, tried to find out if I was a
sex criminal, pestered me endlessly about a kook lawsuit filed by a mentally
disturbed lying bastard.
>No you don't. When the football trolls were trying to make this group
>unusable by flooding it you supported them all the way. You were even
>reposting their spam when it was cancelled!
>> The hypocrites are those who USE these tactics and then get all upset
>> when they get back some of their own.
We don't flood the news group with mindless posts like the Footy Lads did not
subscribe to mailing lists which upload to USENET. Care to prove otherwise liar?
>Seems to sum you up perfectly.
>> Why, here's a good example:
>>
>> You got ALL upset when someone, you say, "outed" your real name.
>John Morris.
>> Yet you STILL defend the "outing" of my father, an innocent bystander who merely
>> offered an opinion on Mr. Bradbury; an opinion, I need not remind you,
>> that you claim to NOW share.
You brought your father in when you got him involved in your "let's smear
Bradbury attack" being waged by your pimp, Yale F. Edeiken. IT IS YOUR FAULT AND
I APPRECIATED THE CONTACT INFO. BTW I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN LEON'S LIBEL NOR YOUR
MAKING "FALSE SWEARING."
>A lie. You claim that your father's opinion was that Bradbury suffers from
>OCD. I have seen nothing to suggest this. I think he has a very big mouth
>and that is making life very difficult for people who want to help him.
>> Here's another one:
>> Mr. Bradbury gets all upset when his posts are cancelled, yet he had no
>> problem with forging cancels of MY posts.
Prove that I did such liar! I get fed up with you swine thinking because your
kind accuses then it is automatically true! PROVE IT OR SHUT YOUR GOD DAMNED BIG
MOUTH!
>> And, gee... I never heard you speak out against Mr. Bradbury's prodigious
>>use of forged cancels.
>I'm not convinced that he's doing it.
>> And yet one more:
>> You oppose the posting of Mr. Bradbury's address and phone number.
And how was it possible for my address and telephone number to be posted in the
first place? Yale F. Edeiken subpoenaed it. Also what yale subpoenaed is NOT
public record. The subpoena issued is not on the docket and the subpoena along
with my personal info went directly to Yale which HE personally distributed.
By law he is required to notify me that a subpoena is to be served and allow me
the right to quash. Yale never allowed me that right required by law. Seeing how
he was the sole possessor of subpoenaed info he violated the law by distributing
it on his own. Remember he's the Plaintiff's Attorney and he did in FACT violate
the Defendant's rights which will be pointed out to District Justice Joan Snyder
along with a copy of the subpoena and th docket which does not show it being
properly filed!
>> Yet I have never once seen you state your opposition to the posting of _my_
>> address and phone number.
You're PUBLIC DOMAIN Sara. You're in the phone book. It took a subpoena to get
my address and telephone number!
>I've never seen you state your opposition to Ken McVay's posting of
>Grosvenor's. I invite you to do so.
>
>I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's publicizing of
>Bradbury's details. I invite you to do so.
>
>I've never seen you state your opposition to Edeiken's (failed) attempt to
>subpoena my details from BT Internet. I invite you to do so.
And a Mr. Shiff attempting to hire a detective to get it.
>I think I made my position quite clear. I'd like a situation where we could
>all post freely without risk of our names and addresses, or material that
>enables these to be found, being published. However, John Morris,
>Nazihunter, Yale Edeiken and Ken McVay seem to feel that it is in order to
>post such details. Our people can either sit there and allow you to
>intimidate us into silence, or they can give you folks a damn good dose of
>your own medicine.
They don't like to receive in kind and they are the ones who started it too!
>> So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
>> Mr. Bradbury. Whales of a feather.
And why do you call me a whale Sara? You can only make that attack because
Edeiken posted false information which is positively NOT in my medical records.
I will be sure to let District Justice Joan Snyder see some examples that she
can compare to a first hand copy of my medical record. It is painfully obvious
Yale's sole purpose was to have me ridiculed and I do have many examples too!
This is unacceptable behavior for ann attorney to engage in while in a public
forum against the Defendant he's litigating. If you can't see how much a shyster
Yale is then I promise what will come on him will not leave any doubts in your
hard head! BE sure to FWD this post in full to Yale too!
>I seem to recall that you're pleasantly rounded yourself,
Anyone having any doubt need only to click this link:
http://www.westword.com/issues/2000-08-10/feature3-4.gif
Care to deny that is a picture of you Sara? Let me catch you in more lies!
>Ms S. I lost 3 kg last month. How much did you lose? :)-
>> Sara
>
>David
Doc Tavish
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"I, Sara Salzman, being duly sworn, state as follows: ... Daylin Leach
stated that she (Sara Salzman) should "stop bothering" Defendant Bradbury."
Edeiken v. Bradbury: Affidavit
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david_michael
Venus Salzman, eh?
> However, your picture
> > reveals
> > you to be a fetid fragment of fascist flesh who is wider than he is
high.
> >
> > Maybe if you lost 30 kg..........
> > >
>
> More like a Botero... :)
>
> Sara
Nah, Fuseli . . . :-)=
Sara
mcbeevee@msie_2001.com wrote:
Since Mr. Bradbury is such a chickenshit that he has me kilfiled, I see
no reason to respond to his babble.
He should, however, seriously consider the consequences of attempting to
intimidate a witness. Or two.
Sara
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
And your proof of this is...
[[cue patter of retreating hamster feet]]
Dr. Homeland continues to smear and lie to suit his own bizarre agenda.
david_michael
Morris and McVay have admitted what they did, and McVay has outed Edeiken.
Simple as that.
I suppose you're going to make me dig up the relevant Usenet posts now,
aren't ya?
Sara
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
"He who asserts, must prove."
I beleve it was Matt Giwer who once said that.
You asserted.
Prove it. Specifically, prove that John Morris, Yale Edeiken, and Ken
McVay have spammed the newsgroup and forged mass-cancels.
david_michael
Prove it. :-)
> I beleve it was Matt Giwer who once said that.
>
> You asserted.
>
> Prove it. Specifically, prove that John Morris, Yale Edeiken, and Ken
> McVay have spammed the newsgroup and forged mass-cancels.
Now that's interesting because THAT wasn't what I asserted. Here's the
exchange again, with me opening:
<begin quote>
> > > > > > You seem to feel
> > > > > > that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
> > > > > > immaturity is to expose the alleged perpetrator and his
neighbours
> > > > > > to the risk of violence,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's Nazihunter and no one else. But don't let the truth stand
in
> > > > > the way of a good smearing rant.
> > > >
> > > > It is not Nazihunter and no one else. It is Nazihunter, Edeiken,
McVay
> > > > and
> > > > Morris.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And your proof of this is...
<end quote>
We're talking here about publicizing people's personal details, not mere
spamming.
David
> Sara
>
> --
> "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
> John Sayles, _Lone Star_
david_michael
Prove it. :-)
> I beleve it was Matt Giwer who once said that.
>
> You asserted.
>
> Prove it. Specifically, prove that John Morris, Yale Edeiken, and Ken
> McVay have spammed the newsgroup and forged mass-cancels.
Now that's interesting because THAT wasn't what I asserted. Here's the
exchange again, with me opening:
<begin quote>
> > > > > > You seem to feel
> > > > > > that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
> > > > > > immaturity is to expose the alleged perpetrator and his
neighbours
> > > > > > to the risk of violence,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's Nazihunter and no one else. But don't let the truth stand
in
> > > > > the way of a good smearing rant.
> > > >
> > > > It is not Nazihunter and no one else. It is Nazihunter, Edeiken,
McVay
> > > > and
> > > > Morris.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And your proof of this is...
<end quote>
We're talking here about publicizing people's personal details, not mere
spamming.
David
> Sara
>
> --
> "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
> John Sayles, _Lone Star_
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david_michael
Morris and McVay have admitted what they did, and McVay has outed Edeiken.
Simple as that.
I suppose you're going to make me dig up the relevant Usenet posts now,
aren't ya?
David
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david_michael
Prove it. :-)
> I beleve it was Matt Giwer who once said that.
>
> You asserted.
>
> Prove it. Specifically, prove that John Morris, Yale Edeiken, and Ken
> McVay have spammed the newsgroup and forged mass-cancels.
Now that's interesting because THAT wasn't what I asserted. Here's the
exchange again, with me opening:
<begin quote>
> > > > > > You seem to feel
> > > > > > that the correct way to respond to what appears to be childish
> > > > > > immaturity is to expose the alleged perpetrator and his
neighbours
> > > > > > to the risk of violence,
> > > > >
> > > > > That's Nazihunter and no one else. But don't let the truth stand
in
> > > > > the way of a good smearing rant.
> > > >
> > > > It is not Nazihunter and no one else. It is Nazihunter, Edeiken,
McVay
> > > > and
> > > > Morris.
> > > >
> > >
> > > And your proof of this is...
<end quote>
We're talking here about publicizing people's personal details, not mere
spamming.
David
> Sara
>
> --
> "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
> John Sayles, _Lone Star_
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Derek Bell
: So, yes. I can spot the hypocrite. I can spot the hypocrites. You and
Methinks Dr. Homeland hath a severe case of moral myopia!
Derek
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