The Word is Out
Debunks2005
BP News ^ | 2/6/04 | Erin Curry
Posted on 02/06/2004 5:43:43 AM PST by truthandlife
Perhaps no one person aside from Mel Gibson himself has made a more noteworthy
effort to promote "The Passion of The Christ" than a Texas man who purchased
6,000 tickets to the film and gave them away to the community.
Arch Bonnema, a member of the Dallas-area Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano,
happened to be invited to a preview of The Passion when a friend had to back
out at the last minute. The film had such an impact on him that he wanted to
share it with as many people as possible.
"I have been a Christian all of my life, and I have heard people talk about
Jesus dying for our sins and sacrificing His life," Bonnema told Baptist Press.
"But when you hear it repetitively, it loses impact. When you see this film, it
really hits home the sacrifice that Jesus made for us.
"I walked out of there with a whole recommitment to be more Christlike, and I
thought this is something we need to wake up the church -- something the church
needs to see."
Bonnema called his wife as he left the theater and reminded her that the
typical movie lasts about two weeks at the box office. Popular ones run longer,
but no one can guarantee how long The Passion will be available in theaters.
"If people see this film at the end of the two weeks and tell their friends
about it, [their friends] won't be able to see it," Bonnema told his wife. "If
we can get a lot of people to see it the very first day, I think we have the
potential of changing the lives of a lot of people in Dallas. ... My goal is to
get people to see it early so they'll have time to tell their friends about it
and we can get more people to see it in the time that it's out."
His wife agreed, and Bonnema inquired about renting out the Cinemark complex in
Plano for the day The Passion is released -- Feb. 25.
"$42,000 is a lot of money for us, so it was a big commitment," said Bonnema,
who owns an insurance agency with his son.
The Cinemark theater has 20 screens, and Bonnema and his family have rented
them all for the showing of The Passion.
"We're going to do the largest two screens twice, so we'll actually be showing
it 22 times between 6:30 in the morning and 9:30 [at night]," he said.
They decided to stagger the show times in 30-minute intervals so that all 6,000
people would not enter the complex at the same time.
Bonnema gave half of the tickets to Prestonwood, and they are being distributed
through the Bible fellowship classes at the church. He gave 1,000 to Dallas
Theological Seminary and 1,000 to ministries that he and his wife support. For
the remaining 1,000, Bonnema sent an e-mail to a few friends to let them know
that if anyone wanted a ticket he had some available.
"In three days I had 2,300 requests," he said of the results from the e-mail.
END
Seems like Abe Foxman are in a rather unenviable position at the moment once
again calls to mind the sagacious words of Rabbi Gamaliel:
"So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them
alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will fail; 39but if it is of
God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found
fighting against God."
Acts 5: 38, 39
Fred Rutherford
debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
I am glad to see those Revisionists and Holocaust Deniers at ADL etc. get a
defeat thrown in their faces!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial...
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews being
tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians claim Jews
had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured, imprisoned, and
executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so going
by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted for
Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
Tavish
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Seneca
"Fred Rutherford" <fred_rutherford@mayfield01net> wrote in message
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>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=5rhktv483m9oofgqt8goir93o4pm08ht49%404ax.com&rnum=1
> Subject: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial...
> Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
> Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
> If Jews are allowed to call a historic event a "Holocaust" based on Jews
being
> tortured, imprisoned, and executed by Nazis then why can't Christians
claim Jews
> had "Holocausts" against non-Jews/Christians seeing how the 1st Century
> Pharisees and the 20th Century Jewish led Bolshevists tortured,
imprisoned, and
> executed Christians/non-Jews. Jews also deny these other "Holocausts" so
going
> by their standards they are "Holocaust Deniers" and should be prosecuted
for
> Holocaust Denial"and "Minimalizing the Holocaust[s])" as well!
That's a good point, it seems to me.
Whether they should be called "Holocausts" may be arguable, but there is no
question that there were Jewish persecutions of Christians on a large scale,
at the beginning and in Bolshevist Russia as well.
The concerted efforts by Jewish pressure groups today to force Gibson to
remove parts of his film which they regard as "offensive" (but which are
accurate representations of accounts in the Gospels) are not merely denial
but go far beyond denial--they are attempts not just to argue against, but
to SUPPRESS parts of Biblical history which they do not like, but which are
central to the world's largest religion.
This is far more than any revisionist or so-called Holocaust denier does. At
least, I have never seen any Holocaust revisionist demand that only
revisionist versions be given any circulation, while a contradictiory
version (i.e., the orthodox Holocaust mythology) must be suppressed. On the
contrary, all revisionists ask for is a free and open examination of the
subject.
Seneca
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
in message <20040206133713...@mb-m23.aol.com>:
>Man buys 6,000 tickets for 'Passion,' gives them away
>BP News ^ | 2/6/04 | Erin Curry
Which impacts the historical facts of the Holocaust ... how, exactly?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message
<Cf8Vb.19434$FU5....@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>:
>Whether they should be called "Holocausts" may be arguable, but there is no
>question that there were Jewish persecutions of Christians on a large scale,
>at the beginning and in Bolshevist Russia as well.
>
>The concerted efforts by Jewish pressure groups today to force Gibson to
>remove parts of his film which they regard as "offensive" (but which are
>accurate representations of accounts in the Gospels) are not merely denial
>but go far beyond denial--they are attempts not just to argue against, but
>to SUPPRESS parts of Biblical history which they do not like, but which are
>central to the world's largest religion.
No they are complaining about the bits and pieces that Gibson has made
up: from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4212741/ :
<quote>
"As moving as many moments in the film are, though, two NEWSWEEK
screenings of a rough cut of the movie raise important historical
issues about how Gibson chose to portray the Jewish people and the
Romans. To take the film's account of the Passion literally will give
most audiences a misleading picture of what probably happened in those
epochal hours so long ago."
"The two earliest and most reliable extra-Biblical references to
Jesus—those of the historians Josephus and Tacitus—say Jesus was
executed by Pilate. The Roman prefect was Caiaphas' political superior
and even controlled when the Jewish priests could wear their vestments
and thus conduct Jewish rites in the Temple. Pilate was not the humane
figure Gibson depicts. According to Philo of Alexandria, the prefect
was of "inflexible, stubborn, and cruel disposition," and known to
execute troublemakers without trial."
"In an ensuing scene, Mary Magdalene calls for help from Roman
soldiers as Jesus is taken indoors to be interrogated by the priests.
"They've arrested him," she cries. A Temple policeman intervenes,
tells the Romans "she's crazy" and assures them that Jesus "broke the
Temple laws, that's all." When word of the trouble reaches Pilate, he
is told, "There is trouble within the walls. Caiaphas had some prophet
arrested." It is true that the Temple leaders had no use for Jesus,
but these lines of dialogue—which, taken together, suggest Jewish
control over the situation—are not found in the Gospels."
"Jesus is interrogated before a great gathering of Jewish officials,
possibly the Sanhedrin, and witnesses come forth to accuse him of
working magic with the Devil, of claiming to be able to destroy the
Temple and raise it up again in three days, and of calling himself
"the Son of God." Another cries: "He's said if we don't eat his flesh
and drink his blood, we won't inherit eternal life." <...> The climax
comes when Caiaphas asks Jesus: "Are you the Messiah?" and Jesus says,
"I am..." and alludes to himself as "the Son of Man." There is a gasp;
the high priest rends his garments and declares Jesus a blasphemer."
"And it was not "blasphemy" to think of yourself as the "Messiah,"
which more than a few Jewish figures had claimed to be without meeting
Jesus' fate, except possibly at the hands of the Romans. The
definition of blasphemy was a source of fierce Jewish argument, but it
turned on taking God's name in vain—and nothing in the Gospel trial
scenes supports the idea that Jesus crossed that line."
"But in the dramatic milieu of the movie, it can be taken to mean that
the Jews, through Caiaphas, are more responsible for Jesus' death than
the Romans are—an implication unsupported by history.
The Temple elite undoubtedly played a key role in the death of Jesus;
Josephus noted that the Nazarene had been "accused by those of the
highest standing amongst us," meaning among the Jerusalem Jews. But
Pilate's own culpability and ultimate authority are indisputable as
well. If Jesus had not been a political threat, why bother with the
trouble of crucifixion? There is also evidence that Jesus' arrest was
part of a broader pattern of violence or feared violence this
Passover. Barabbas, the man who was released instead of Jesus, was,
according to Mark, "among the rebels in prison, who had committed
murder in the insurrection"—suggesting that Pilate was concerned with
"rebels" and had already confronted an "insurrection" some time before
he interrogated Jesus.
Except for the release of Barabbas, there is no hint of this context
in Gibson's movie. "The Passion of the Christ" includes an invented
scene in which Pilate laments his supposed dilemma. "If I don't
condemn him," he tells his wife, "Caiaphas will start a rebellion; if
I do, his followers will." Caiaphas was in no position to start a
rebellion over Jesus; he and Pilate were in a way allies, and when
serious revolt did come, in 66, it would be over grievances about
heavy-handed Roman rule, not over a particular religious figure, and
even then the priests would plead with the people not to rebel.
"
>This is far more than any revisionist or so-called Holocaust denier does. At
>least, I have never seen any Holocaust revisionist demand that only
>revisionist versions be given any circulation, while a contradictiory
>version (i.e., the orthodox Holocaust mythology) must be suppressed. On the
>contrary, all revisionists ask for is a free and open examination of the
>subject.
No, all that Holocaust "revisionists" want is to be able to lie at
will about the historical facts, in furtherance of their irrational
hatred.
Debunks2005
>From: Roger roger@.
>Date: 2/9/2004 6:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3a4b7e985cf57bef...@news.teranews.com>
What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
Ken Lewis
[snip]
>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
"(AP) - The scope of sex abuse accusations against Roman Catholic
clergy since 1950 appears to be much greater than previously estimated
by victims' groups and the media, an Associated Press review of
reports from dioceses has found. The U.S. church will make an
unprecedented, nationwide accounting of abuse claims and costs later
this month, and some bishops already have started releasing local
figures. The AP contacted dioceses across the country and found that
1,341 clergy members have been accused of molesting minors, with more
than half the dioceses yet to report. "
The full story can be found at:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040210/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_2
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/10/2004 3:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
Yes, that is indeed an interesting story. Thank you. Here is one for you:
The Sins of Rabbi Shlomo CARLEBACH
1 2
0 0
From Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach's behavior we may safely lift the entry in the blue
cell to 2.
It might be kept in mind while reading the account below that a girl or woman
who has been merely groped or "dry-humped" (to use one of the victim's
expressions) by Carlebach may feel less inhibited in coming forward with her
story than one who has been subjected to more extreme sex acts. The latter may
tend to maintain silence because she will feel more humiliated, degraded, and
ashamed. Thus, we might expect that the sampling of cases below is a sampling
of the milder cases, and we might expect at the same time that the number of
mild cases that are visible will be proportional to the number of extreme cases
that are hidden. Of course this principle will break down in the case of very
extreme sex acts for which the probability of public notice may be highest.
Among the many people Lilith [Magazine] spoke with, nearly all had heard
stories of Rabbi Carlebach's sexual indiscretions during his more than
four-decade rabbinic career. Spiritual leaders, psychotherapists, and others
report numerous incidents, from playful propositions to actual sexual contact.
Most of the allegations include middle-of-the-night, sexually charged phone
calls and unwanted attention or propositions. Others, which have been slower
to emerge, relate to sexual molestation. [...]
Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb, a pioneer Jewish feminist who was at that ALEPH Kallah,
says that she "first became aware of his glorification at the gathering, when
it was announced that this [memorial] was going to happen." Right after the
announcement, three or four people "jumped me", she says, and told their
stories: "'Shlomo molested me, Shlomo was abusive to me,'" is how she
summarizes their words. [...]
She wrote of Rabbi Carlebach's molestation of one of her congregants, Rachel,
as a young woman. As Rachel (name changed on her request to prevent further
trauma) told Lilith in a subsequent telephone interview, she was in high school
in the late '60's when she attended a Jewish camp where, for the first time in
her life she felt "safe and uncriticized. Every talent I had was encouraged."
Music was everywhere, and it was to this "safe" environment that Rabbi
Carlebach, who spent much of his life traveling to bring his music and prayer
to communities, worldwide, was invited as a guest singer. "We had heard that
someone fabulous was coming, a star," she recalls of the visit. "The rabbis
[at the camp] really seemed to honor him, like a god." Rabbi Carlebach, with
his warmth and charisma, was like the Pied Piper, she remembers, and his
singing was wonderful; Rachel recalls it as "the first time in a Jewish context
that I could feel that I was having a spiritual experience."
When he asked her to show him around the camp, Rachel says she felt, "what an
honor [it was] to be alone with this great man." They walked and talked of
philosophy and Israel, of stars and poems, and she remembers being "just
enchanted." He asked her for a hug, and when she agreed, "he wouldn't let go.
I thought the hug was over and I tried to squirm out of it. He started to rub
and rock against me." So unsuspecting was she, she says, "that at first I
thought, 'was this some sort of davening?'" She says she tried to push him
away while he was "dry humping me until he came." And although she doesn't
remember the words he spoke, she remembers him communicating to her that it was
something special in her that had caused this to happen. "It felt cheap, but
he had said thank you." The next day he didn't even acknowledge her presence.
[...]
Rachel, today an artist and a martial arts teacher in New Mexico, told almost
no one what had happened. Those she did tell said he was "just a dirty old
man." [...]
Other stories have begun to emerge, suggesting that Rachel's experience was not
unique. Robin Goldberg, today a teacher of women's studies and a research
psychoanalyst on women's issues in California, was 12 years old when Shlomo
visited her Orthodox Harrisburg, Pennsylvania community to lead a singing and
dancing concert. He invited all the young people for a pre-concert
preparation. And it was during the dancing that he started touching her. He
kept coming back to her, she reports, whispering in her ear, saying "holy
maidele," and fondling her breast. Twelve years old and Orthodox, she says she
didn't know what to think. Her mother, that afternoon, told her she must have
been mistaken, and that she must not have understood what was going on. But
when she was taken to a dance event led by Rabbi Carlebach years later, while
she was in college, she reports that the same thing, dancing, whispering,
fondling, happened to her again.
Another story comes from Rabbi Goldie Milgram, 43, today a teacher and an
associate dean at the Academy for Jewish Religion in New York City. Rabbi
Milgrom was 14 when Rabbi Carlebach was a guest at her United Synagogue Youth
convention in New Jersey, and was invited by her parents to stay at their home.
Late that night they passed in the hallway. "He pulled me up against him,
rubbed his hands up my body and under my clothes and pulled me up against him.
He rubbed up against me; I presume he had an orgasm. He called me mammele."
Rabbi [Goldie] Milgram says she didn't tell her parents at the time and wasn't
able to work through the incident until three years later, when she was 17 and
on her first trip to Israel. Approaching the Kotel, she saw Rabbi Carlebach
leading singing there and she fled. Her companion saw her distress and
suggested that she "'pretend I'm him,'" recalls Rabbi Milgram. "All I remember
is screaming 'Who are you? Why did you do that? I was so excited that you
came to my house and then...'" [...]
For the past 15 years, Marcia Cohn Spiegel of Los Angeles, has studied
addiction and sexual abuse in the Jewish community and has spoken to some 60
groups through Brandeis University, the University of Judaism, the Havurah
Institute, along with many Jewish women's organizations, synagogues and Jewish
community centers. She doesn't mention Rabbi Carlebach at all in her talks,
she told Lilith. Following such talks, women come up to her, even in the
women's bathroom, to pour out their own stories, she says, "not seeking
publicity or revenge, but coming from a place of shame and isolation."
Consistently through the years women have come forward to share their stories
explicitly about Rabbi Carlebach, Speigel says.
In a letter, which Spiegel made available to Lilith, she states that in the
last few years, a number of women in their 40s have approached her "in private
and often with deep-seated pain" about experiences they had when they were in
their teens. "Shlomo came to their camp, their center, their synagogue," she
wrote, "He singled them out with some excuse... [G]etting them alone, he
fondled their breasts and vagina, sometimes thrusting himself against them
muttering something, which they now believe was Yiddish."
The other typical story, she says, is recounted by women who had gone to Rabbi
Carlebach, "for help with problems, or who met him when they studied with him.
They were in their 20s or 30s when it happened. He would call them late at
night (two or three o'clock in the morning) and tell them that he couldn't
sleep. He had been thinking of them. He asked, Where were they? What were
they wearing?"
A woman who attended services conducted by Rabbi Carlebach in California in the
1970's, and who asked not to be identified in this article, recalls precisely
this second scenario. After meeting her once or twice, she says, Rabbi
Carlebach called her in the middle of the night several times. "It was very
creepy. I seem to remember him breathing heavily on the phone and panting."
Though at first she was confused, once she realized that "something
surreptitious" was going on, she told him not to call her in the middle of the
night anymore. He did not.
Rabbi Carlebach's sexual advances to adult women were apparently well known.
Rabbi [Lynn] Gottlieb herself recounts Rabbi Carlebach's request that she pick
him up at his hotel when he was visiting her Albuquerque community. When she
got there, "he refused to come down," asking instead that she come up to his
room. Rabbi Gottlieb "went up and stood outside the threshold and said, "I am
not coming into your room and you are not going to touch me." Another woman
recalls, "His manner was 'God loves you, I love you,' and then he'd come on to
you out of 'love.'"
If these allegations were so widely known, why were so many people, in so many
communities in the United States, Canada, Israel and elsewhere, able to ignore
or squelch such serious concerns to preserve the myth of a wholly holy man?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Sarah Blustain, A Paradoxical Legacy: Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach's Shadow Side,
Lilith Magazine Volume 23, No. 1/Spring 1998
www.rickross.com/reference/lubavitch/lubavitch12.html
We may as well allow into our thinking right at the outset the hypothesis that
Jews may be more successful than others in suppressing evidence concerning
sexual abuse:
The Jewish world has not really dealt with rabbinic [sexual] abuse," says [Nan]
Fink [co-director of Chochmat HaLev and co-founder of Tikkun magazine]. "The
Christian world has, the Buddhist world has. The Jewish community needs to
say, 'We don't sanction this.' The main thing is to have it really be known
that every infraction of this kind will not be tolerated."
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------
Sarah Blustain, A Paradoxical Legacy: Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach's Shadow Side,
Lilith Magazine Volume 23, No. 1/Spring 1998
www.rickross.com/reference/lubavitch/lubavitch12.html
Perhaps it is evidence of such suppression that searching for "Rabbi Shlomo
Carlebach" on the Internet turns up almost nothing but tributes to his singing
and promotion of his recorded work. The original Lilith magazine article
quoted from above exposing Carlebach has been removed from the Lilith web site.
Were it not for that Lilith article being reproduced in one other location on
the Internet (by someone interested in it for reasons quite different from my
own), then dry-humping-twelve-year-olds Shlomo Carlebach would have been left
with his reputation quite sanitized as far as the general public was concerned.
Ken Lewis
>>[snip]
>>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040210/ap_on_re_us/church_a
>buse_2
But that's just one Rabbi, JHJ, vs over 1300 priests. What's up with
that? Has buggery become one of the sacraments?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message <20040210194907...@mb-m23.aol.com>:
>>Subject: Re: The Word is Out
>>From: Ken Lewis kml...@nospam.shaww.ca
>>Date: 2/10/2004 3:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>>
>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's
>>salary
>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>>
>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>>
>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>>
>>"(AP) - The scope of sex abuse accusations against Roman Catholic
>>clergy since 1950 appears to be much greater than previously estimated
>>by victims' groups and the media, an Associated Press review of
>>reports from dioceses has found. The U.S. church will make an
>>unprecedented, nationwide accounting of abuse claims and costs later
>>this month, and some bishops already have started releasing local
>>figures. The AP contacted dioceses across the country and found that
>>1,341 clergy members have been accused of molesting minors, with more
>>than half the dioceses yet to report. "
>>
>>The full story can be found at:
>>
>>
>>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040210/ap_on_re_us/church_a
>buse_2
>>
>
>Yes, that is indeed an interesting story. Thank you. Here is one for you:
But you've already used that one. And even rounding the numbers and
counting the years since 2000 as a full decade, that still puts you
over 100 behind in the two-to-one challenge.
Better get cracking -- or would you care to admit that you cannot
support your assertion that "As a matter of fact, more non-Catholic
Christian clergy have been accused of <sexual abuse> than Catholics,
and neither are Rabbis free from contamination."
Debunks2005
>Message-id: <cf4j209g2jdp75f8j...@4ax.com>
Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught' committing
crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/10/2004 10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <115958f64197fb7a...@news.teranews.com>
Not that I recall. But I have many many more to choose from if you would like
for me to post them here.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/10/2004 10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <115958f64197fb7a...@news.teranews.com>
Perhaps you would prefer that I also begin posting accusations and convictions
re Ritual Murders?
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>>From: Ken Lewis kml...@nospam.shaww.ca
(snip some)
>>But that's just one Rabbi, JHJ, vs over 1300 priests. What's up with
>>that? Has buggery become one of the sacraments?
>Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
>Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught' committing
>crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
>surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
You have no idea, but you would imagine.
Fascinating.
Cheers, RJ.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/11/2004 12:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c0e2j1$s6c$1...@pcls4.std.com>
I can always set about proving it beyond a doubt, but I don't think people like
you would much appreciate the effort.
Cheers!
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>> From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>>> Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
>>> Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught'
>>> committing crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is
>>> equal to or surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
>> You have no idea, but you would imagine.
>>
>> Fascinating.
>I can always set about proving it beyond a doubt, but I don't think people
>like you would much appreciate the effort.
If you had hard evidence about such a number of rabbis (police records,
verdicts given in a court of law), you'd have presented it already. But
you don't have any.
Fact is, that NUMEROUS priests have molested children. Were
you not such a limited little twerp, you would have addressed this
problem seriously, instead of so desperately trying to divert
attention from it.
But then, your entire life is defined by one thing only -- your
hatred of Jews. Christianity and Christ have no meaning for you
other than tools through which to funnel this sick hatred. And
in the final analysis, this abuse of Christianity is perhaps
your most disgusting crime.
Farewell for now, Christ-killing Joe.
And no cheers this time.
RJ.
Beaver Cleaver
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>
>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>
>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number of
Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
commanded in the Torah!!
I.E.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=lmadevss41s5c8a004asbnje1hgelve8ek%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Circumcision and Sucking on Penis by Rabbis is a Jewish Practice (Link
is Illustrated) UPDATED EDITION
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:08:00 -0500
Message-ID: <lmadevss41s5c8a00...@4ax.com>
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Subject: Talmud Vs Torah (Old Testament) aka Traditions of Men Vs God's Law
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:22 -0500
Message-ID: <dsbeevkbgv1a4ucck...@4ax.com>
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Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
Tavish
>
>"(AP) - The scope of sex abuse accusations against Roman Catholic
>clergy since 1950 appears to be much greater than previously estimated
>by victims' groups and the media, an Associated Press review of
>reports from dioceses has found. The U.S. church will make an
>unprecedented, nationwide accounting of abuse claims and costs later
>this month, and some bishops already have started releasing local
>figures. The AP contacted dioceses across the country and found that
>1,341 clergy members have been accused of molesting minors, with more
>than half the dioceses yet to report. "
>
>The full story can be found at:
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040210/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_2
Ken Lewis
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:45:48 GMT, <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number of
>Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
>commanded in the Torah!!
More perversion and hate from the evil sicko who tries to masquerade
as a Christian. You are not a Christian, Bradbury.
How?
Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:20 - Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.
Galations 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control ..
Galations 5:26 - Let us not be desirious of vainglory, provoking one
another, envying one another.
You are not a Christian, Bradbury. No fruit equal no Spirit. No Spirit
equals not a Christian.
Beaver Cleaver
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>On 11 Feb 2004 23:50:38 GMT, Beaver Cleaver
><beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:45:48 GMT, <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
>>>[snip]
>
>>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>
>>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>
>>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>
>>1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number of
>>Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
>>commanded in the Torah!!
>
>More perversion and hate from the evil sicko who tries to masquerade
>as a Christian.
Always denying documented fact and then accusing me of being hatefulfor making
it known! Oh how Pharisee of you!
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Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=lmadevss41s5c8a004asbnje1hgelve8ek%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Circumcision and Sucking on Penis by Rabbis is a Jewish Practice (Link
is Illustrated) UPDATED EDITION
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:08:00 -0500
Message-ID: <lmadevss41s5c8a00...@4ax.com>
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Subject: Talmud Vs Torah (Old Testament) aka Traditions of Men Vs God's Law
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:38:22 -0500
Message-ID: <dsbeevkbgv1a4ucck...@4ax.com>
>You are not a Christian, Bradbury.
>
>How?
>
>Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits.
>Matthew 7:20 - Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.
>
>Galations 5:22-23 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,
>long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control ..
>
>Galations 5:26 - Let us not be desirious of vainglory, provoking one
>another, envying one another.
>
>You are not a Christian, Bradbury. No fruit equal no Spirit. No Spirit
>equals not a Christian.
Who are you to judge me!?
I am glad that you and your Children of the Devil dislike me because if you all
did like me then that would mean I am not on the narrow road BUT I am on the
broad road and you know what Jesus said about false prophets and the two
different roads:
Luke 6:26 :: New International Version (NIV)
[Jesus declared]: "Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how
their fathers treated the false prophets."
Matthew 7
13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road
that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few
find it.
2 John 7,10,11 "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never
receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a
greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
That last sentence which says: "For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer
in his wicked works." is pretty strong advice!
Question for Ken Lewis- Do the people you side with confess "Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh"? NO!! It is their choice however!
Also here is what the Apostle Paul stated which would indicate a
"Judeo/Christian Alliance" is definitely NOT God's Will:
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 :: King James Version (KJV)
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with
darkness?
<Are Jews believers when they deny Christ is the Messiah or are they
"anti-Christs" as identified in the scripture cited higher up?>
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that
believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple
of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and
I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and
touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
<Do the teachings of the Apostle Paul indicate he would endorse a
"Judeo/Christian Alliance" when he forsook being a Pharisee and
abandoned Judaism as the following scripture proves?>
Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
<Notice the Apostle Paul stated: "former life in Judaism"?>
Acts 26:1,4,5 (English-RSV)
1 Agrippa said to Paul, "You have permission to speak for yourself."
Then Paul stretched out his hand and made his defense:
4 "My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my
own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
5 They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify,
that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as
a Pharisee.
<Notice the Apostle Paul stated: "I have lived as a Pharisee" and he did NOT
state: "I live as a Pharisee" thus proving Paul separated himself from
unbelievers and was NOT a purveyor of any sort of a "Judeo/Christian Alliance"
being taught by false teachers of today.>
IOW the fact that you and your sniveling Pharisees dislike me means I am doing
something right and the fact that the clergy of Christendom is in a bosom
position and on a cordial relationship with the anti-Christs proves they have
left sound teachings long ago!
Matthew 5:20 :: New International Version (NIV)
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees
and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 23 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat...
6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the
synagogues;
7 they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'
8 "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you
are all brothers.
<Thus Jesus establishes who he was reviling-- the Pharisees who like being
addressed as "Rabbi.">
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the
kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let
those enter who are trying to.
15 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel
over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him
twice as much a son of hell as you are.
<Thus Jesus states plainly that all of those who follow the Pharisees will fare
badly.>
27 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like
whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are
full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the
inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
<Thus Jesus shows how deceiving the Pharisees are. They appear to be righteous
BUT they are not! Why would the 1st Century Pharisees' descendants be any
different?>
29 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build
tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30 And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not
have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who
murdered the prophets.
32 Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to
hell?
34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them
you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue
from town to town.
35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of
Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
<Thus Jesus establishes who is accountable in God's eyes for blood guilt.
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37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to
you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers
her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.
<To this very day the house (or temple) is left desolate.>
39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who
comes in the name of the Lord.'"
<To this very day the Pharisees have not rejoicing proclaimed: "Blessed is he
who comes in the name of the Lord."- so why would the current generation of
Pharisees have ANY favor at all from God?>
Matthew 24 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him
to call his attention to its buildings.
2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone
here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
<The temple still remains in ruins as a witness that "Jews" and "Israel" do not
have God's favor.
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Subject: Old Covenant Vs New -- New Covenant Replaces Old Covenant (Jews NO
Longer God's Chosen People & Entitled to "Israel" So Says the Scripture!)
Message-ID: <qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2f...@4ax.com>>
Name call and smear is all you have Ken Lewis which means you're running on
empty!
As for messages of hate how about what your Jews teach about non-Jews?
--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
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Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0206 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:14:23 -0600
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Subject: Non-Jews: What is Taught About Them & How They are Viewed by 21st
Century Pharisees V2.1b S_0127
Message-ID: <3oie10pah2urec3rn...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:42:22 GMT
Tavish
Ken Lewis
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:08:24 GMT, <ktgl20pgav7dmg635...@4ax.com>
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>>On 11 Feb 2004 23:50:38 GMT, Beaver Cleaver
>><beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:45:48 GMT, <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>>>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>>>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>>>>[snip]
>>>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>>>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>>>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>>>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>>>1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number of
>>>Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
>>>commanded in the Torah!!
>>More perversion and hate from the evil sicko who tries to masquerade
>>as a Christian.
>Always denying documented fact and then accusing me of being hatefulfor making
>it known! Oh how Pharisee of you!
You misspelled 'How truthful' of me, Bradbury. You are not a
Christian. You are the evil, twisted spawn of your father the devil.
Beaver Cleaver
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>On 12 Feb 2004 00:26:59 GMT, Beaver Cleaver
><beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:08:24 GMT, <ktgl20pgav7dmg635...@4ax.com>
>>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>>>On 11 Feb 2004 23:50:38 GMT, Beaver Cleaver
>>><beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>
>>>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:45:48 GMT, <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>>>>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
>>>>>[snip]
>
>>>>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's salary
>>>>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>
>>>>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>
>>>>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>
>>>>1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number of
>>>>Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
>>>>commanded in the Torah!!
>
>>>More perversion and hate from the evil sicko who tries to masquerade
>>>as a Christian.
>
>>Always denying documented fact and then accusing me of being hateful for making
>>it known! Oh how Pharisee of you!
>
>You misspelled 'How truthful' of me, Bradbury. You are not a
>Christian. You are the evil, twisted spawn of your father the devil.
If my father were the devil you would love me along with the rest of the devil's
children you side with:
--Devilish Satanic Children of the Devil and Anti-Christs Identified--
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL (BELIAL) IDENTIFIED:
John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
>You are not a Christian as your works make so evident.
My works expose the lies of the Children of the Devil which works you and your
fellows greatly approve of and defend!
I.E.
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Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
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Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT
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Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
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Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0206 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:14:23 -0600
Message-ID: <jne720pakjho7ogu4...@4ax.com>
How First Century Christianity Was Treated by Jews:
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Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 R_0925
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Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT
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Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment R_0524
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>
Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:17 GMT
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Subject: The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews R_0524
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Date: 24 May 2003 05:30:25 GMT
The first "Holocaust" was not Gentiles (Nazis) Against Jews
BUT was Jews (Communists) Against Christian Kulaks!!!
How Later Christianity was/is treated by Jews:
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Subject: Comparing Israel's "Anti-Christ Activism" to Other Middle East Nations
is NOT a Valid Comparison V2.5 R_0821
Message-ID: <upe9kvor1pdvm2ifa...@4ax.com>
Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:22:34 GMT
Jewish Led Bolsheviks Scalped & Crucified Christians by Philippa Fletcher
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Subject: Bolsheviks Scalped and Crucified Christians -
Date: 1998/01/18
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Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) V2.0a S_0125
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Date: 25 Jan 2004 19:53:30 GMT
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Subject: V3.0e Forefathers of the Soviet State and Anti-Christ Communism R_1231
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Date: 31 Dec 2003 17:34:02 GMT
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Subject: Communist Holocaust Has Killed Over 100 Million People
Message-ID: <ncu5gvoc1nga0k933...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Jul 2003 15:33:38 GMT
Holocausts Jews have waged against non-Jews and Jewish denial of their
Holocausts against Christians/non-Jews:
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Subject: UPDATED: 3 Major Jewish Organizations Engage in Holocaust Denial in
Addition to Their anti-Christic Christ Denial anti-Christism
Message-ID: <5rhktv483m9oofgqt...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Dec 2003 22:57:48 GMT
Gord McFee
20:07:11 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
> Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
> Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught' committing
> crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
> surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
That is not statistically possible.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Visit the Holocaust History Project
http://www.holocaust-history.org
Ken Lewis
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>>>>>>[snip]
Your father IS the devil, Scott, and you prove it with every post you
make. You are the Spawn of Satan and you can be assured that I do not
love you. You are sick, twisted, evil and perverted.
Haven't you ever once in your miserable existence asked yourself why
you do not have any friends? Haven't you ever aksed yourself why it is
that not one person on the face of this earth loves you?
You are pure evil, Bradshit. You are not a Christian no matter how
much you try to twist and distort the message of Christ to fit your
hate filled agenda.
Beaver Cleaver
Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
Why does Ken Lewis keep deleting this"
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Subject: Child Molestation and the Jewish Talmud - Doc Tavish Battles it Out
With Neo-Pharisees V2.0 S_0128
Message-ID: <gmgf10d4te7sg5jo5...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jan 2004 14:25:00 GMT
Special note: I challenge any Rabbi or any defender of Pharisaic Teachings of
Men to show just one scripture in the Pentateuch, Old Testament, Torah or
whatever you may wish to call The Law of Moses and other historical writings of
the history of Jews as contained in the Bible in which a bizarre and perverted
form of circumcision was commanded by God. It is only in the Talmud authored by
Pharisaic sages or scribes such a perversion is commanded.
The very first mention of circumcision in Biblical texts is:
Genesis 17:
9 Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your
descendants after you for the generations to come.
10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you
are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant
between me and you.
<<Notice no mention of "sucking the wound" is mentioned.>>
Exodus 4
24 At a lodging place on the way, the LORD met {Moses} [1] and was about to kill
him.
25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched
{Moses'} feet with it. "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said.
26 So the LORD let him alone. (At that time she said "bridegroom of blood,"
referring to circumcision.)
Joshua 5
2 At that time the LORD said to Joshua, "Make flint knives and circumcise the
Israelites again."
3 So Joshua made flint knives and circumcised the Israelites at Gibeath
Haaraloth.
NO MENTION IS MADE ABOUT "SUCKING THE WOUND"!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Roman Catholicism has taken considerable heat for its tolerating pedophile
priests and rightfully so BUT why should Talmudic Judaism get a free ride when
it teaches (and allows) for any and all Rabbis to do such to infant male penises
after circumcision when NOTHING in the Law of Moses commands such?
"Sucking the wound" is a Rabbi filling his mouth with wine and sucking the
infant male's penis after he removes the foreskin!!
I.E.
[The brackets in the quotes below are in the texts quoted.]
"There are three stages required for the performance of a ritually correct
circumcision in Jewish law: the removal of the foreskin; the tearing of the
underlying membraene so as to expose the glans completely; and the sucking away
of the blood, m'tsitsah." Roger V. Pavey. The Kindest Cut of All. Bognor Regis,
W. Sussex: New Horizon. 1981. pp. 87-88.
"The method to be adopted is laid down thus: 'One excises the foreskin, [that
is] the entire skin covering the glans, so that the corona is laid bare.
Afterwards, one tears with the finger-nail the soft membrane underneath the
skin, turning it to the sides until the flesh of the glans appears. Thereafter,
one sucks the membrane until the blood is extracted from the [more] remote
places, so that no danger [to the infant] may ensue; and any circumciser who
does not carry out the sucking procedure is to be removed [from his office].' .
. . The operation itself, then, consists of three distinct acts: the excision of
the prepuce; the laceration of the mucous membrane covering the glans; and the
sucking of the blood from the interior of the wound." Immanuel Jakobovits.
Jewish Medical Ethics: A Comparative and Historical Study of the Jewish
Religious Attitude to Medicine and Its Practice. New York: Bloch Publishing
Company. 1959. pp. 193-194.
"The baby cried, blood flowed on to his penis and - as the rabbi had predicted -
Graham [the godfather] did not faint. The rabbi then bent over the baby and
sucked the wound. I know this sounds awful, but it is part of the Jewish
tradition. It's supposed to help the healing." Jack Shamash. "My Son on the
Cutting Edge." Independent (London), no. 3,797 (Thursday, December 17, 1998): p.
R8."
"And what of the practice of sucking the bleeding penis? While condemning the
procedure, some physicians contend that it was used to stop bleeding.47 Not only
is there little evidence for this theory, but it was also a largely ineffective
method. Furthermore, even in antiquity, surgeons had better methods to stop
bleeding, such as pressure, instruments, and medication.48 According to Dr. H.
Speert (1953), Maimonides 'staunchly supported this procedure [sucking the
bleeding penis] as a prophylactic measure against inflammation.'"
"... Critics have attributed sadistic and homosexual implications to this
practice, while defenders claim that this was simply all that was known during
ancient times to stop the bleeding." Rosemary Romberg. Circumcision: The Painful
Dilemma. South Hadley, Massachusetts: Bergin & Garvey, Publishers, Inc. 1985. p.
395."
"The conclusion in the matter is that the "mezizah" is the stage of circumcision
where the mohel places his mouth on the baby's penis and sucks the blood from
the wound."
"As for the bris milah (circumcision), there is no masturbation of the child. In
some Orthodox circles, the mohel, after the cutting, will fill his mouth with
wine, suck on the wound, and then spit out the wine and blood mixture in his
mouth. This is done to stanch the blood flow and disinfect the wound -- not for
sexual reasons."
BTWK en Lewis- you claim you aren't a Pharisee so why don't you convert and the
Rabbi will "suck your wound" and you being the type of person you are you could
reciprocate in kind without the cutting!! Ha Ha Ha
>>>You misspelled 'How truthful' of me, Bradbury. You are not a
>>>Christian. You are the evil, twisted spawn of your father the devil.
>
>>If my father were the devil you would love me along with the rest of the devil's
>>children you side with:
>
>Your father IS the devil, Scott, and you prove it with every post you
>make. You are the Spawn of Satan and you can be assured that I do not
>love you. You are sick, twisted, evil and perverted.
If my father were the devil you would love me along with the rest of the devil's
children you side with:
--Devilish Satanic Children of the Devil and Anti-Christs Identified--
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL (BELIAL) IDENTIFIED:
John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
>Haven't you ever once in your miserable existence asked yourself why
>you do not have any friends?
I have a lot of friends BUT I don't have any anti-Christs such as you as
friends!
>Haven't you ever aksed yourself why it is
>that not one person on the face of this earth loves you?
My oh my!
>You are pure evil, Bradshit. You are not a Christian no matter how
>much you try to twist and distort the message of Christ to fit your
>hate filled agenda.
Here is what Jesus stated about the very people you defend whose forefathers
were the Pharisees:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=1ioifv01joma9fjqpa361host2smg0un2n%404ax.com&rnum=2
Subject: Today's Judaism is the Same Stuff Jesus Condemned ~2000 Years Ago
(Which Has Had Some Additions Made Since Then) V3.0 R_0625
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 03:51:27 -0500
Message-ID: <1ioifv01joma9fjqp...@4ax.com>
EXCERPT
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av6qpr9882esa96oaav%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Babylon the Great - Religious Persecution, Torture, Harassment
Message-ID: <k11ucvc1j4hl6s7av...@4ax.com>>
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to
you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers
her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38 Look, your house is left to you desolate.
<To this very day the house (or temple) is left desolate.>
39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who
comes in the name of the Lord.'"
<To this very day the Pharisees have not rejoicing proclaimed: "Blessed is he
who comes in the name of the Lord."- so why would the current generation of
Pharisees have ANY favor at all from God?>
Matthew 24 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him
to call his attention to its buildings.
2 "Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone
here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
<The temple still remains in ruins as a witness that "Jews" and "Israel" do not
have God's favor.
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2fttrvo00fhaoi2f8ip%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Old Covenant Vs New -- New Covenant Replaces Old Covenant (Jews NO
Longer God's Chosen People & Entitled to "Israel" So Says the Scripture!)
Message-ID: <qf7acvoa8hfn3bi2f...@4ax.com>>
Religion of Pharisees identified:
Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
Acts 26:1,4,5 (English-RSV)
1 Agrippa said to Paul, "You have permission to speak for yourself."
Then Paul stretched out his hand and made his defense:
4 "My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my
own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
5 They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify,
that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as
a Pharisee.
What religion did the 1st Century Pharisees practice?
Answered above.
What religion do current Pharisees practice?
Answered below.
The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474) says: "The
Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break,
through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and
methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which
a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and
most important single member of that literature, and round it are
gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and partly
works of edification (Haggadic)."
<NOTE: The words in parenthesis are as they appeared in the text; they
are not my additions. Tavish>
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/movement.htm
(Archived locally as: jewfaq_movement)
Movements Before the 20th Century
All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one movement, identified
in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees. At the dawn of Christianity,
there were several different competing schools of thought: the Pharisees, the
Sadducees, the Essenes, and the Zealots. The Pharisaic school of thought is the
only one that survived the destruction of the Temple. The Pharisees believed
that God gave the Jews both a written Torah and an oral Torah, both of which
were equally binding and both of which were open to reinterpretation by the
rabbis, people with sufficient education to make such decisions. The Pharisees
were devoted to study of the Torah and education for all. Today, this school of
thought is known as Rabbinical Judaism... <END>
Notice the mention of "Rabbinical Judaism" above and how it was founded by
Pharisees and that "All Jewish movements that exist today are derived from one
movement, identified in the Christian scriptures as the Pharisees."? Compare the
above to what follows:
http://www.wujs.org.il/activist/learning/judaism/pharisees.shtml
(Archived locally as: judaism_pharisees)
Pharisees and Sadducees
1st century bce
The Hassidean party of the early days of the Hasmonean revolt developed into the
group known as the Pharisees. The name, which in Hebrew mean separatists,
presumably refers to their insistence on ritual purity. They developed the
process of interpretation of the Torah, giving wide - ranging meanings to the
Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud, and thus
constitute the basis of rabbinic Judaism... <END>
Here is what Jesus stated regarding "They (the Pharisees) developed the process
of interpretation of the Torah (Law of Moses), giving wide - ranging meanings to
the Scriptural text. Their teachings evolved into the Mishnah and Talmud.."
Matthew 15:1-14 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and
asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash
their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your
tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father
or mother must be put to death.'
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you
might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for
the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"
10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand.
11 What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out
of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees
were offended when they heard this?"
13 He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be
pulled up by the roots.
14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both
will fall into a pit."
http://www.segne-israel.de/artikel/af_rabbi.htm
(Archived locally as: af_rabbi)
Segne Israel Rabbinical Judaism
"The Pharisees, who already in the times of Jesus loved to be called
"Rabbis," were the ones who eventually developed Rabbinical Judaism, as we
know it today..." <END>
The Judaism practiced today is the more or less the same Judaism Jesus and his
Apostles condemned ~2000 years ago! Of course the Jews have added to their
Talmud since those days!
IOW the Jews who adhere to Neo-Phariseeism are just as devilish in their
wickedness as their forefathers were!
Here is what Jesus and others said regarding those 1st Century Pharisees:
Matthew 3:1,7,8,9,10 :: New International Version (NIV)
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
1 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was
baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from
the coming wrath?
8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.
9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I
tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not
produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
What Jesus also stated in more or less similar sentiments:
Matthew 23:13,33 :: New International Version (NIV)
13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the
kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let
those enter who are trying to.
33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to
hell?
John 8:1-6,31,37-49 :: New International Version (NIV)
1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered
around him, and he sat down to teach them.
3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in
adultery. They made her stand before the group
4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"
6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing
him.
<<The above scripture shows who Jesus was addressing and it shows they were
trying to trap him in his speech-- a trait the Pharisee devils have honed over
the past 2000 years I might add!>>
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching,
you are really my disciples.
<<Only those Jews who believed in Jesus were looked upon favorably and those who
didn't are addressed in the following scripture. Verse 31 also proves that NOT
all Jews are the Children of the Devil as some people want to teach.>>
37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because
you have no room for my word.
38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what
you have heard from your father."
39 "Abraham is our father," they answered.
40 "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things
Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the things your own father does."
"We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is
God himself."
The Children of the Devil
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
<<The above is irrefutable about who Jesus referred to as the Children of the
Devil.>>
If everyone of reasonable mind accepts the truth that current day Pharisees do
NOT have God's approval and that the current Pharisees still have not proclaimed
Jesus as the Messiah with this declaration: "Blessed is he who comes in the name
of the Lord." [Matthew 23:39] then why would the current Pharisees have any
claim whatsoever to "Israel" and why would any nation which claims to be
Christian support such a claim which goes against Prophecy and God's Will?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=6sagevs7n51rfd3q2v9o2qovk6sqhopdee%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Jews are NOT Entitled to Israel in Present Days-- So Proves the
Scripture!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 02:28:17 -0500
Message-ID: <6sagevs7n51rfd3q2...@4ax.com>
~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~
Pharisaic Jews still commit the same one and only unforgivable sin today their
evil forefathers committed ~2000 years ago and it is documented in this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=f2fe10t1v5jkcaq9g...@4ax.com&lr=&hl=en
Subject: Jesus Christ & Deceased Christians- Their Condition According to TALMUD
(Boiling Semen & Excrement) S_0127
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Date: 28 Jan 2004 05:36:04 GMT
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John 8:
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I
say.
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's
desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't
you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that
you do not belong to God."
48 The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan
and demon-possessed?"
49 "I am not possessed by a demon," said Jesus, "but I honor my Father and you
dishonor me..
Tavish
Ken Lewis
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
[bandwidth saver]
>Why does Ken Lewis keep deleting this"
Because your hate-filled lunacy doesn't need anymore air time,
Bradshit and USENET doesn't need any more of your 600+ line bullshit.
You are a sick, evil, twisted, perverted old man who doesn't have
enough brains to pour piss out of a boot.
Beaver Cleaver
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I.E.
BTW Ken Lewis- you claim you aren't a Pharisee so why don't you convert and the
Rabbi will "suck your wound" and you being the type of person you are you could
reciprocate in kind without the cutting!! Ha Ha Ha
Tavish
Ken Lewis
<beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 01:51:27 GMT, <bvml20l20u641hdqa...@4ax.com>
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>>On 12 Feb 2004 01:45:52 GMT, Beaver Cleaver
>><beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net> wrote:
>>[bandwidth saver]
>>>Why does Ken Lewis keep deleting this"
>>Because your hate-filled lunacy doesn't need anymore air time,
>>Bradshit and USENET doesn't need any more of your 600+ line bullshit.
>>You are a sick, evil, twisted, perverted old man who doesn't have
>>enough brains to pour piss out of a boot.
>Why does Ken Lewis keep deleting this"
Jumping, gentle Jesus but you are thick. I already answered that once.
Can't you read?
"Because your hate-filled lunacy doesn't need anymore air time,
Bradshit and USENET doesn't need any more of your 600+ line bullshit.
You are a sick, evil, twisted, perverted old man who doesn't have
enough brains to pour piss out of a boot."
Can you read it this time?
Patrick Lee Humphrey
>[bandwidth saver]
...even with the instructions printed on the heel, I presume. (Or, as I told
his county's District Attorney when we were in town last July, "Bradbury is an
angry old man who desperately needs to find a better hobby"...)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (pat...@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
Aeros slug their way to 2-2 tie in Chicago (details at the above URL)
Gassen Burnham
Whereas Lewis can pour shit out of his mouth!
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
>Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
>Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught' committing
>crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
>surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
Of course, when invited to actually *prove* this, joe-joe ran away
when he got so far behind that even tho he only had to document one
non-catholic clergyperson (not even just one rabbi) for each *two*
priests I documented.
And he's still in the neighborhood of a hundred behind.
So will run away, again.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
>From: Roger roger@.
>Date: 2/10/2004 10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <115958f64197fb7a...@news.teranews.com>
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
>> in message <20040210194907...@mb-m23.aol.com>:
>>>From: Ken Lewis kml...@nospam.shaww.ca
>>>Date: 2/10/2004 3:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040210/ap_on_re_us/church_abuse_2
>>>Yes, that is indeed an interesting story. Thank you. Here is one for you:
>>But you've already used that one.
>Not that I recall. But I have many many more to choose from if you would like
>for me to post them here.
You still have around a hundred to post before you get close to *half*
as many priests as have been documented here...
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
Our challenge was 20th century on. If you have *proof* of such
murders, feel free to present it. But be prepared to be able to
discuss the cases, and not simply uncritically pass on something you
got off of a hater site.
Debunks2005
>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>Message-id: <c0e9oc$dkd$1...@pcls4.std.com>
>
>In article <20040211161434...@mb-m04.aol.com>,
>Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>> From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>
>>>> Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
>>>> Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught'
>>>> committing crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is
>>>> equal to or surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
>
>>> You have no idea, but you would imagine.
>>>
>>> Fascinating.
>
>>I can always set about proving it beyond a doubt, but I don't think people
>>like you would much appreciate the effort.
>
> If you had hard evidence about such a number of rabbis (police records,
>verdicts given in a court of law), you'd have presented it already. But
>you don't have any.
And your evidence in support of this claim is? ---I haven't posted it yet? Not
a very impressive effort on your part.
> Fact is, that NUMEROUS priests have molested children.
Fact is, that numerous rabbis and ministers have also done so. The reason for
it is sin...you know, that propensity to sin which exists in all men and which
the Church describes as inherited original sin...
>Were
>you not such a limited little twerp, you would have addressed this
>problem seriously
Were you not so addicted to mindless name-calling, you would have addressed the
issue honestly.
> instead of so desperately trying to divert
>attention from it.
It is hardly a diversion to post proof that the accusation is rife in all
professions...
> But then, your entire life is defined by one thing only -- your
>hatred of Jews.
That is perhaps 'your' definition of it, and need I point out that it hardly
corresponds to reality?
>Christianity and Christ have no meaning for you
Not that you can ever prove.
>other than tools through which to funnel this sick hatred.
Your warped perceptions notwithstanding.
>And
>in the final analysis, this abuse of Christianity is perhaps
>your most disgusting crime.
I would consider abuse of Christians unto death a most disgusting crime. Your
perversions of my intentions and motives are hardly worth the time it takes to
respond to them.
> Farewell for now, Christ-killing Joe.
Silly name-calling only makes you look worse.
> And no cheers this time.
I'm devastated by your lack of charity...
Debunks2005
>Word is Out
>From: Beaver Cleaver beaver_cleaver@mayfield01net
>Date: 2/11/2004 3:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <ghel20lrt8f7d593i...@4ax.com>
>
>On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:45:48 GMT,
><o5ri20pa9gle4rvka...@4ax.com>
>Ken Lewis <kml...@nospam.shaww.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 10 Feb 2004 23:15:44 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>>What a perverse description of the crucifixion. I suspect the author's
>salary
>>>check bears a stamp from Tel Aviv.
>>
>>Hey, JHJ, here's an interesting peice for you:
>>
>>1,341 Priests Accused Since 1950
>
>1,341 Prisets? My but that is a high number BUT no where close to the number
>of
>Rabbis who nibble male infants' penises in a bizarre circumcision ritual NOT
>commanded in the Torah!!
>
I had completely overlooked that one.
Debunks2005
>The Word is Out
>From: Ken Lewis kml...@nospam.shaww.ca
>Date: 2/11/2004 4:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <i7il20tijp6i5opue...@4ax.com>
Hypocrite. Aren't you the same person who posted a filthy little limmerick
regarding the mother of Christ?
Debunks2005
>From: Gord McFee gord....@rogers.com
>Date: 2/11/2004 4:48 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <2ajl205eueq6qmn2t...@4ax.com>
>
>In <20040211150711...@mb-m03.aol.com>, on 11 Feb 2004
>20:07:11 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
>> Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
>> Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught'
>committing
>> crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
>> surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
>
>That is not statistically possible.
>
>--
>Gord McFee
Everything is relative, so it is.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/12/2004 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <b38423f9a02beb0e...@news.teranews.com>
Sounds to me as if you are begging for me to begin posting accusations against
rabbis, which would include convictions for ritual murder, too. Is that what
you like to read?
Debunks2005
>From: Roger roger@.
>Message-id: <632b92347386f7dc...@news.teranews.com>
I don't recall your ever following your own advice. I don't deny that the
Church has been infiltrated by a determined and indeterminate number of
liberals, leftists, modernists, Judaizers and perverts posing as priests. It
is time they were rooted out and sent packing off to prison where they belong.
Debunks2005
>From: Roger roger@.
>Message-id: <8616b68fc5129219...@news.teranews.com>
I already addressed one such case in which the evidence clearly proves
accusation: the Damascus Case.
Steven Mock
news:20040217131805...@mb-m17.aol.com:
If that sort of tripe is what you have to rely on to make your case, that
says all we need to know.
Steven Mock
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <20040217132202...@mb-m17.aol.com> in alt.revisionism,
on 17 Feb 2004 18:22:02 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
> >From: Roger roger@.
> >Message-id: <8616b68fc5129219...@news.teranews.com>
> >In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > someone claiming to be Debunks2005 wrote
> > in message
> > <20040211150843...@mb-m03.aol.com>:
> >>From: Roger roger@.
> >>Message-id: <115958f64197fb7a...@news.teranews.com>
> >>>But you've already used that one.
> >>Perhaps you would prefer that I also begin posting accusations
> >>and convictions re Ritual Murders?
> >Our challenge was 20th century on. If you have *proof* of such
> >murders, feel free to present it. But be prepared to be able to
> >discuss the cases, and not simply uncritically pass on something
> >you got off of a hater site.
> I already addressed one such case in which the evidence clearly
> proves accusation: the Damascus Case.
Interesting. So now you take confessions obtained under torture to
be wholly reliable.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Debunks2005
>Date: 2/17/2004 10:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns9492C00EAE56...@140.99.99.130>
You are missing the point! I am not confirming those accusations by any means!
I am simply trying to 'show' you that this is a two way street again, and that
these allegations made against many priests are most likely no more true or
factual than those made in malice against Jews in the past.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/17/2004 11:16 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <2up43059c7095mvpr...@4ax.com>
This is not one of those cases, Mr. Morris. The Damascus Case is probably one
of the very few cases which could be proved by the evidence, even if some of it
was highly circumstantial -moreover, even if trye, I do not view it as
reflecting upon ALL Jews. I am not saying and never have said that I believe
ALL the cases of alleged ritual murder were true and factual. The evidence in
the Damascus case proved to my satisfaction that there is substantial reason to
believe that Father Tomasi was waylaid and murdered by Jewish gangsters of some
sort. We need not repeat the same mistake of Montifiore in seeking to
exculpate the guilty parties simply because he mistakenly believed their crime
reflected poorly upon all Jews. Jews can be criminals too. There is good and
bad among all races.
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <20040217185005...@mb-m14.aol.com> in alt.revisionism,
It is exactly one of those cases. The accused testified to ritual
murder under torture and recanted only when they were released.
> The Damascus Case is probably one
> of the very few cases which could be proved by the evidence,
Let's have the evidence then.
> even if some of it
> was highly circumstantial
All of it was circumstantial.
> -moreover, even if trye, I do not view it as
> reflecting upon ALL Jews.
I could give a shit what you think it reflects upon. Tell us what
convinces you about the Damascus Case.
> I am not saying and never have said that I believe
> ALL the cases of alleged ritual murder were true and factual. The
> evidence in the Damascus case proved to my satisfaction that there
> is substantial reason to believe that Father Tomasi was waylaid and
> murdered by Jewish gangsters of some sort.
All it takes to sastify you is an allegation that allows you to hate
Jews. Often it doesn't even take that much.
> We need not repeat the same mistake of Montifiore in seeking to
> exculpate the guilty parties simply because he mistakenly believed
> their crime reflected poorly upon all Jews. Jews can be criminals
> too. There is good and bad among all races.
The guilty parties were never caught or tried.
Let's get it on, Joe. Tell us what convinces you about the Damascus
Case.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Debunks2005
>From: John Morris John....@UAlberta.CA
>Date: 2/17/2004 3:59 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <i9a530dn81opkvv1e...@4ax.com>
I believe this information was all posted at least 2 years ago in a rather
lengthy thread. I don't believe my opinions have changed much since then. At
least I have not read any new evidence which refutes what I already read
concerning this case. If recollection serves me correctly, I seem to recall
that at least one of the suspects who was tortured provided detailed
information which led investigators directly to Father Tommasi's blood stained
Biretta.
William Daffer
No such evidence was ever posted. You're welcome to prove me wrong by
producing the google URLs.
> If recollection serves me correctly, I seem to recall that at least
> one of the suspects who was tortured provided detailed information
> which led investigators directly to Father Tommasi's blood stained
> Biretta.
"If recollection serves... I seem to recall?"
Sure sounds like you're really up on this subject.
Face it, you believe the Damascus case proves something only because
it accords with your anti-semitism. No more, no less.
It certainly has nothing whatsoever with a consistent treatment of
evidence.
whd
--
Joe Bellinger alters posts:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=ce84994e260d85fb,16&start=10&ic=1
Compare Msgs #12 and #13 for proof
Philip Mathews
news:20040217191226...@mb-m16.aol.com...
> >> This is not one of those cases, Mr. Morris.
> I believe this information was all posted at least 2 years ago in a
rather
> lengthy thread.
Yes it was Joe, and you were shown to know little of the evidence for
the case and to distort what you did cite.
Here's where you began the thread, in a reply to Hilary Ostrov.
And here's where it ended.
> I don't believe my opinions have changed much since then. At
> least I have not read any new evidence which refutes what I already
read
> concerning this case. If recollection serves me correctly, I seem
to recall
> that at least one of the suspects who was tortured provided detailed
> information which led investigators directly to Father Tommasi's
blood stained
> Biretta.
You mean one of the torturers _claimed_ he was lead to the hat by a
victim of his torture.
Best for you if don't embarrass yourself again, Bellinger.
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be
content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
acquire it."
Samuel Johnson
steve wolk
"William Daffer" <whda...@wabcmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rOdnb64kr2...@giganews.com...
Through the years, there have been many accusations that Jews engaged in
ritual murder to get gentile blood for use in baking matzoh. I think it
telling that, despite all these years and all these accusations, no one has
ever found one single recipe for matzoh that has blood as an ingredient.
(sarcastic mode off again)
Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Get ready, Steve, because EVERY SINGLE TIME Joe makes with the Father
Tomasi monika, the famous 'cleric's hat' thing comes into play! As you
can well note above. Mark me! Joe is bound and determined to find that
hat..or 'Biretta' and prove the 'murder' ....hey, there is always Ebay!
I mean if they can hawk 'Hitler's typewriter' et al , then surely that
Biretta is still floating around somewhere so that Joe can finally
'prove' murder most foul by, of course, you-know-who! 'They' are always
the first culprits...per Joe!
Doc Tony
;-)
[suddenly...]
Vangel: "Who is first?"
Kurt: "Jawohl!"
Vangel: "WHAT?"
Kurt: "Second base!'
Vangel: "WHO?"
Kurt: "First Base!"
Vagel: "HUH?"
Kurt: "Typical American propaganda, mein Primus!"
;-)
Gassen Burnham
Those readers unaccustomed to the Jewish habbit of committing murder
on Gentiles and using their blood for barbaric rituals may like to
familiarise themselves by visiting :
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/jrm/jrm_toc.htm
There they will see that your rant is useless, Jack.
Oh! By the way, your puctuation throughout this post, especially in
relation to question marks, is attrocious, Jack.
It reflects poorly on the English faculty of Alberta U. As their
representative here, you had best lift your game.
Now in spite of your expected ballistic whinings about Leese's
credibility and the attack on his character that you will no doubt
make, take a look at this:
"THE Jews and their advocates use sundry arguments whereby they seem
to have successfully camouflaged and almost obliterated in this
country the trail of historic fact concerning the practice of Ritual
Murder. When the author was proceeded against in 1936 for daring to
mention Jewish Ritual Murder, the trial was reported in some
newspapers under the heading "Amazing Story," as though he had
invented it! Let us list the Jewish "arguments" and answer them:Ñ
1. That the confessions made by the accused Jews were extracted by
torture.
This is true of many medieval cases; it is unlikely that the Jews
would confess without such aids to memory, because of the certain dire
consequences that would follow the confession.
But I have shown in Chapter 13 (which see) that many confessions of
the practice of Ritual Murder by Jews have been made by those who have
been converted to the Christian faith and made freely; many
confessions have been made by accused Jews without torture, or by
their relations without torture; whilst at Damascus, where the
bastinado was used to aid the memory of the accused, it inspired them
to reveal where the fragments of the bodies of the murdered men were
to be found, and they were found in the indicated spots; I take it
that Jews do not allege that the bastinado endowed the culprits with
telepathic second sight?
There is thus nothing in the argument.
"An account of the trial of Jews for ritual murder in Europe over the
last 1000 years by ARNOLD LEESE "
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/jrm/jrm_toc.htm
I would say anyone who would grudgingly point out the exact location
of the hidden remains of a murder victim, would have a better than 70%
chance of being involved in the murder, wouldn't you, Jack?
Gassen Burnham
indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My
job is, not to get angry, but to keep cool, to attend to my footwork
and to keep on hitting him where it will do the most good."
Joebruno
OOOOOOH! That's very convincing. What does it prove? What does it mean? ROTFL.
You want some cheese, Ratsy?
Philip Mathews
Why don't you tell us what the remains were Cummins and how they were
proven to be remains of the missing men.
Then you might want to read this thread begun by Al Baron over three
years ago, during the course of which he took quite a drubbing. You
might save yourself more embarrassment, not that it seems to bother
you.
--
Philip Mathews
Sergey Romanov
What do you think about the Bejlis case?
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>> If you had hard evidence about such a number of rabbis (police records,
>> verdicts given in a court of law), you'd have presented it already. But
>> you don't have any.
>And your evidence in support of this claim is? ---I haven't posted it yet?
> Not a very impressive effort on your part.
Do you have the evidence or not, Christ-Killing Joe?
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html
(snip some)
"The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more
than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests."
(snip some)
"The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were
investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated.
The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved
had died by the time the allegation was made."
<\quote>
>> Fact is, that NUMEROUS priests have molested children.
>Fact is, that numerous rabbis and ministers have also done so.
Just how many?
(snip)
Why is it that each and every article of yours attacks Jews, Christ-
Killing Joe? Do you believe that Christianity is all about Jew-bashing?
Cheers, RJ.
Ron Jacobson
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html
(snip some)
"The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more
than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests."
(snip some)
"The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were
investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated.
The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved
had died by the time the allegation was made."
<\quote>
Cheers, RJ.
steve wolk
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
news:c13aov$7sp$1...@pcls4.std.com...
Because he's a raving loon of an antisemitic Nazi sympathizer and apologist?
Just a wild guess.
---
No manuscript
No Chapter 2
No book
No contract
No upfront check
No publisher
Just a lot of Joebbels bullshit
Ron Jacobson
steve wolk <Bar...@Seville.com> wrote:
>"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>news:c13aov$7sp$1...@pcls4.std.com...
(snip some)
>> Why is it that each and every article of yours attacks Jews, Christ-
>> Killing Joe? Do you believe that Christianity is all about Jew-bashing?
>Because he's a raving loon of an antisemitic Nazi sympathizer and apologist?
>Just a wild guess.
That seems reasonable.
Cheers, RJ.
Debunks2005
>From: William Daffer whda...@wabcmail.com
>Date: 2/17/2004 6:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <9rOdnb64kr2...@giganews.com>
I have no intention of looking up old posts to please you, Mr. Daffer. Look
them up yourself. (Hint: he won't, because it would be counter productive for
him to do so)
>> If recollection serves me correctly, I seem to recall that at least
>> one of the suspects who was tortured provided detailed information
>> which led investigators directly to Father Tommasi's blood stained
>> Biretta.
> "If recollection serves... I seem to recall?"
> Sure sounds like you're really up on this subject.
>
It has been two years since this was discussed. I believe my recollection is
accurate.
>Face it, you believe the Damascus case proves something only because
> it accords with your anti-semitism. No more, no less.
Why don't you face the fact that your mindless name calling and baseless
accusations do not constitute proof?
>
> It certainly has nothing whatsoever with a consistent treatment of
> evidence.
>
>whd
Not that you will ever research it and post it. Prove me wrong for once if you
think you can.
Debunks2005
>From: "Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo" doc...@localnet.com
>Date: 2/17/2004 7:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4032D73B...@localnet.com>
And tell us why it shouldn't? Apparently the suspects who were tortured and
revealed the exact location of the Biretta, covered in blood, and later found
by investigators in an obscure sewage drain, just as described by the suspects,
only demonstrates to you that they were 'psychic?' A precursor of Uri
Geller...
Debunks2005
>Message-id: <4032D73B...@localnet.com>
Instead of blathering off at the mouth over a case you obviously haven't taken
5 seconds to research, go to the library and review all the published facts.
Then come back and bray like an ass.
Debunks2005
>From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@comcast.net
>Date: 2/17/2004 6:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <FXzYb.52450$jk2.162356@attbi_s53>
You are only embarrassing yourself. I posted the particular excerpts at the
time. You were at a loss for an intelligent explanation then and you still are
today. Tell me, where is the proof of your silly claim? Who was the psychic?
The torturer or the tortured?
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/18/2004 6:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c6bd4de7.04021...@posting.google.com>
You're a fine one to prattle on about drubbings, Mr. Mathews.
John Morris
Hash: SHA1
In <20040221154002...@mb-m03.aol.com> in alt.revisionism,
on 21 Feb 2004 20:40:02 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
[snip]
> Instead of blathering off at the mouth over a case you obviously
> haven't taken 5 seconds to research, go to the library and review
> all the published facts. Then come back and bray like an ass.
Yeah. Joe wants to sing in two-part harmony.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Debunks2005
>From: rom...@skeptik.net (Sergey Romanov)
>Date: 2/18/2004 7:49 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <aa65b046.04021...@posting.google.com>
Beilis' book on the subject of his imprisonment, and I saw the movie based upon
the book, "The Fixer,' by Bernard Malamud, but I have not really investigated
the entire matter too deeply. I do believe that Father Pranaitis' role was
grossly misrepresented and distorted in the first book, however, and I find it
disturbing that he was later murdered by the Bolsheviks.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/19/2004 1:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c13aov$7sp$1...@pcls4.std.com>
>
>In article <20040217131334...@mb-m17.aol.com>,
>Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>
>>> If you had hard evidence about such a number of rabbis (police records,
>
>>> verdicts given in a court of law), you'd have presented it already. But
>>> you don't have any.
>
>>And your evidence in support of this claim is? ---I haven't posted it yet?
>> Not a very impressive effort on your part.
>
> Do you have the evidence or not, Christ-Killing Joe?
>
Is that your 'evidence' that I am in error, Mr Jacobson? I'm afraid you will
have to do better than that.
Debunks2005
>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>Message-id: <c13e0l$ho4$1...@pcls4.std.com>
Sure it does, especially when you have nothing of substance to offer.
Cheers.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/19/2004 2:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c13c2a$v4v$1...@pcls4.std.com>
Here we go again. Enjoy:
The Sins of Rabbis John DOE and John DOE and John DOE
1 5
0 0
Some reports of rabbinical sexual misconduct come without any name attached, as
for example the following three.
Rabbi indicted for alleged sex abuse of his students
The rabbi is alleged to have beaten one boy in a parking lot, tying his hands
and sodomizing him, and abusing boys in basements and ritual baths.
(Ha'aretz)
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usajewish.com, 30-Apr-1999
www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=461
In her RCA [Rabbinical Council of America] speech, [Dr. Susan] Shulman [a
pediatrician who served on the O.U.'s commission investigating the Lanner
scandal and lectures frequently about sexual abuse] told of an anonymous rabbi
who impregnated a student while he was principal of a school for Jewish girls
with learning disabilities. When he was fired, he moved to another community
where he is "still a prominent rabbi."
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Julie Wiener, No Longer Taboo: For years, the Orthodox community has hidden it.
Now, a confluence of factors is making their sexual abuse problem come out of
the closet. Jewsweek, 03-Apr-2002, www.jewsweek.com/society/080.htm
I assume that the following means that the rabbi was dressed in nothing more
than hat and boots; however, if what is meant is that the hat and boots were
just additions to normal dress, then certainly this example might not be
serious enough to deserve to be included in my list. Also, the example serves
to illustrate that the rule that I am following is to count all sexual
transgressions, not merely the molestation of youngsters:
In 1998, another Israeli rabbi was photographed in a nude bar. Claiming that
he went to the bar "to see if any of his students frequented it," he could not
explain why he was dressed in a Stetson hat and cowboy boots.
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Jewish Tribal Review jewishtribalreview.org/23drug.htm (references removed)
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
You made the accusation, Christ-Killing Joe, and you should
support it. "Innocent until proven guilty", remember?
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html
(snip some)
"The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more
than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests."
(snip some)
"The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were
investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated.
The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved
had died by the time the allegation was made."
<\quote>
Cheers, RJ.
Philip Mathews
Apparently Bellinger knows better than to revisit his humiliation.
> >> I don't believe my opinions have changed much since then. At
> >> least I have not read any new evidence which refutes what I
already
> >read
> >> concerning this case. If recollection serves me correctly, I
seem
> >to recall
> >> that at least one of the suspects who was tortured provided
detailed
> >> information which led investigators directly to Father Tommasi's
> >blood stained
> >> Biretta.
> >
> >You mean one of the torturers _claimed_ he was lead to the hat by a
> >victim of his torture.
> >
> >Best for you if don't embarrass yourself again, Bellinger.
> You are only embarrassing yourself.
Wrong. You were already embarrassed, as the posted threads show.
>I posted the particular excerpts at the
> time.
No, you posted your version of things, which turned out to be false.
>You were at a loss for an intelligent explanation then and you still
are
> today.
Accept this proves you are a liar, Bellinger, and that it was you who
was at a loss.
"Debunks" <deb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020121210952...@mb-fq.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: THE DAMASCUS CASE, revised and updated
> >From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@mediaone.net
> >Date: 1/20/02 7:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <xzL28.83262$Sj1.34...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>
> >
> >"Debunks" <deb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20020120021325...@mb-df.aol.com...
> >
> >> >Subject: Re: THE DAMASCUS CASE, revised and updated
> >> >From: Hilary Ostrov hos...@telus.net
> >> >Date: 1/19/02 10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: <vbpk4ushgvgq499lv...@4ax.com>
> >> >
> >> >On 20 Jan 2002 05:24:44 GMT, in
> >> ><20020120002444...@mb-cd.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
> >> >(Debunks) wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>Subject: Re: THE DAMASCUS CASE, revised and updated
> >> >>>From: Hilary Ostrov hos...@telus.net
> >> >>>Date: 1/19/02 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >> >>>Message-id: <nimj4usb132cd12qn...@4ax.com>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>On 18 Jan 2002 23:07:14 GMT, in
> >> >>><20020118180714...@mb-fi.aol.com>, deb...@aol.com
> >> >>>(Debunks) wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: THE DAMASCUS CASE, revised and updated
> >> >>>>>From: Ragl...@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
> >> >>>>>Date: 1/18/02 8:57 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >> >>>>>Message-id:
<35a8d44b.02011...@posting.google.com>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>snip
> >> >>>>\
> >> >>>>Here, Mr. Ragland, let me make this easy for you. This time
TAKE your time and
> >> >>>>read what I really said:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>And while he's at it, he can read my response:
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Already read it and replied to it. You added nothing of
interest to this
> >> >>discussion.
> >> >
> >> >Once again Bellinger demonstrates that he doesn't care what the
facts
> >> >are.
> >>
> >> Indeed I care! And here they are:
> >>
> >> You are a proven liar.
> >
> >No she's not.
> >
> >> Ragland is a bumptious fool
> >> Mathews is, well....Mathews :>)
> >
> >Mathews made a fool of you when you revealed you didn't even know
one of the
> >main characters in the episode.
> >
> >You've since run from the thread!
Joe doesn't even deny it.
> >> And the facts of this case as presented by your own 'scholar' of
choice, proves
> >> that at least ONE of the accused was guilty of murdering Father
Tommaso.
> >
> >It proves no such thing. The only thing proven was that the
authorities
> >tortured 12 men, killing four, and then claimed they were lead to a
pile of
> >bones and a hat in the Jewish quarter. That's the entirety of your
evidence!
> >> The facts further show that rich and influential Jews such as
Rothschild and
> >> Montefiore attempted to use their money and influence to stifle
the
> >> investigation and sow confusion in the European press, as
history attests to
> >> on so many other occasions as well.
> >
> >No, the facts show that pressure of various kinds was used to get
the
> >authorities to back off their trumped up charges based on torture,
and their
> >attempts to silence exculpatory witnesses by killing them.
> >>
> >> Nothing new there, even allowing for the fact that innocent men
were tortured
> >> and falsely suspected of participating in the crime. However,
the evidence
> >> proves that at least ONE of them was guilty as charged.
> >
> >No such evidence exists, for one, or any. The full extent of the
evidence is
> >as I stated it above. In other words, nothing.
> >
> >Now, have you learned who e-Telli is yet!!!!!
>
> You are out of this thread as far as I am concerned, Mathews.
You don't make that decision Bellinger.
I've pointed out that your only evidence is that the authorities
tortured 12
men, killing four, and then claimed they were lead to a pile of bones
and a
hat in the Jewish quarter.
You inaugurated this thread not knowing that the authorities had
tortured to
death the nightwatchman in the area where the remains were found. You
didn't
know that an exculpatory witness who saw the Father outside of town
was
questioned and killed by the authorities. And you didn't even know who
e-Telli was, the man let out of prison by the authorities to find the
culprits who then attempted to blackmail the Jewish community and
bribe one
of the accused into confessing. Torture, murder of exculpatory
witnesses,
bribery, and blackmail - all in the interests of constructing a
trumped up
charge of Jewish Ritual Murder.
And you drone on about a hat and some gray hair!
>You contribute nothing and I for one am even tired of seeing your
consistently make a fool out
of yourself.
ROTFL!
===============
Care to revisit, Bellinger?
Philip Mathews
> You're a fine one to prattle on about drubbings, Mr. Mathews.
Yup, since I've given quite a number.
But then you've become more circumspect, or is it cowardly, in recent
times.
Philip Mathews
And the evidence that the accused lead investigators to the hat is
what?
steve wolk
Imitation is the sincerest form of lattery and Joebbels wants VERY BADLY to
be flattered.
---
No manuscript
No chapter 2
No contract
No up-front payment
No book
steve wolk
Nobody - but nobody - prattles on like motor-mouth Joebbels.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c18i3j$hgc$1...@pcls4.std.com>
>
>In article <20040221155018...@mb-m03.aol.com>,
>Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>>>Date: 2/19/2004 1:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>>Message-id: <c13aov$7sp$1...@pcls4.std.com>
>
>>>>> If you had hard evidence about such a number of rabbis (police
>records,
>>>>> verdicts given in a court of law), you'd have presented it already.
>But
>>>>> you don't have any.
>
>>>> And your evidence in support of this claim is? ---I haven't posted it
>yet?
>>>> Not a very impressive effort on your part.
>
>>> Do you have the evidence or not, Christ-Killing Joe?
>
>>Is that your 'evidence' that I am in error, Mr Jacobson? I'm afraid you
>will
>>have to do better than that.
>
> You made the accusation, Christ-Killing Joe, and you should
>support it. "Innocent until proven guilty", remember?
You should follow your own advice, Mr J.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 1:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <E2QZb.238263$U%5.1510129@attbi_s03>
Posted years ago. I have no intention of looking it up again.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 12:49 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <11hf30tuoepmq3ijj...@4ax.com>
>
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>In <20040221154002...@mb-m03.aol.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on 21 Feb 2004 20:40:02 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Instead of blathering off at the mouth over a case you obviously
>> haven't taken 5 seconds to research, go to the library and review
>> all the published facts. Then come back and bray like an ass.
>
>Yeah. Joe wants to sing in two-part harmony.
>
I wouldn't dream of trying to upstage you, Mr. Morris.
Debunks2005
And>? whart do you think that proves, other than that you simply toss around
false information in a rather pathetic attempt to avoid confronting the actual
evidence? Clearly, the original documentation all indicates that the
authorities were LED directly to Father's Biretta in some obscure sewer after
having received directions to the site by one of the tortured suspects. This
is a fact which neither Montefiore's millions of dollars nor your millions of
lies will ever change.
Joebruno
> In <20040211150711...@mb-m03.aol.com>, on 11 Feb 2004
> 20:07:11 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
>
> > Is Communism synonymous with Talmudic Judaism? Is racism synonymous with
> > Talmudic Judaism? I have no idea how many rabbis have been 'caught' committing
> > crimes of immorality but I would imagine that the number is equal to or
> > surpasses the number of accused or identified priests.
>
> That is not statistically possible.
Since when is Bellinger concerned with reality?
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 1:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <z%PZb.238221$U%5.1509864@attbi_s03>
A legend in your own mind. Where's your soul mate, Ostrov, by the way?
John Morris
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on 22 Feb 2004 03:35:43 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
<quote>
I've pointed out that your only evidence is that the authorities
tortured 12 men, killing four, and then claimed they were lead to a
pile of bones and a hat in the Jewish quarter.
You inaugurated this thread not knowing that the authorities had
tortured to death the nightwatchman in the area where the remains
were found. You didn't know that an exculpatory witness who saw the
Father outside of town was questioned and killed by the authorities.
And you didn't even know who e-Telli was, the man let out of prison
by the authorities to find the culprits who then attempted to
blackmail the Jewish community and bribe one of the accused into
confessing. Torture, murder of exculpatory witnesses, bribery, and
blackmail - all in the interests of constructing a trumped up charge
of Jewish Ritual Murder.
And you drone on about a hat and some gray hair!
</quote>
Please specify the lies in the passage above.
<insert smart-ass evasion here>
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Philip Mathews
> >http://snipurl.com/4kes
>
> And>? whart do you think that proves,
Well, let's see Joe!
ROTFL!
===============
What it shows is that you took a drubbing.
>Clearly, the original documentation all indicates that the
>authorities were LED directly to Father's Biretta in some obscure
sewer after
>having received directions to the site by one of the tortured
suspects.
Documentation? No, there is no such documentation, only the claims of
torturers.
Your lies are despicable, and you were made to look foolish in the
Damascus discussion.
Philip Mathews
If you only had one, Bellinger.
But I note you are reluctant to revisit the debate.
Philip Mathews
> Posted years ago.
No it wasn't.
The torturers claimed they were lead to "evidence", by those they
tortured.
So Bellinger accepts tortured evidence.
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>> You made the accusation, Christ-Killing Joe, and you should
>>support it. "Innocent until proven guilty", remember?
>You should follow your own advice, Mr J.
Indeed. And here's the proof:
Gassen Burnham
> gassen...@dodo.com.au (Gassen Burnham) wrote in message news:<2403f93b.04021...@posting.google.com>...
> > John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message news:<i9a530dn81opkvv1e...@4ax.com>...
> > of the hidden remains of a murder victim, would have a better than 70%
> > chance of being involved in the murder, wouldn't you, Jack?
>
> Why don't you tell us what the remains were Cummins and how they were
> proven to be remains of the missing men.
>
> Then you might want to read this thread begun by Al Baron over three
> years ago, during the course of which he took quite a drubbing. You
> might save yourself more embarrassment, not that it seems to bother
> you.
>
> http://snipurl.com/4kq0
And can you tell us where the remains of the six million are, Philthy?
Gassen Burnham
ROTFL.. Your a legend in your own mind, Philthy.
I knew this would start happening sooner or later.
One of the major symptoms of tertiary syphilis is delusions of grandeure.
Philip Mathews
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2403f93b.04022...@posting.google.com...
In the ground where the Nazi said they are.
Getting pretty desperate, eh!
Philip Mathews
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen...@dodo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2403f93b.04022...@posting.google.com...
> ROTFL.. Your a legend in your own mind, Philthy.
No chance of that happening in your case, is there Cummins.
Gassen Burnham
What!
Hasn't anyone taken a look to see if those 'jew haters' are telling the truth?
Can you tell me what the remains are, Philthy?
Philip Mathews
[snip]
> > > > Then you might want to read this thread begun by Al Baron over
> three
> > > > years ago, during the course of which he took quite a drubbing.
> You
> > > > might save yourself more embarrassment, not that it seems to
> bother
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > > http://snipurl.com/4kq0
> > >
> > > And can you tell us where the remains of the six million are,
> > Philthy?
> >
> > In the ground where the Nazi said they are.
> >
> > Getting pretty desperate, eh!
> What!
> Hasn't anyone taken a look to see if those 'jew haters' are telling the truth?
Yup.
The Belzec Camp was the subject of an archeological study during which
21,000 cubic meters of mass graves were found.
http://snurl.com/2oxq Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary
http://snurl.com/2oxr Grave Pits at Belzec - Summary of Grave
Volumes
http://snurl.com/2oxm Grave Pits at Belzec # 1
http://snurl.com/2oxx Grave Pits at Belzec #2
http://snurl.com/2oxz Grave Pits at Belzec #3
http://snurl.com/2oy2 Grave Pits at Belzec #4
http://snurl.com/2oy3 Grave Pits at Belzec #5
http://snurl.com/2oy9 Grave Pits at Belzec #6
http://snurl.com/2oyb Grave Pits at Belzec #7
http://snurl.com/2oyd Grave Pits at Belzec #8
http://snurl.com/2oyf Grave Pits at Belzec #9
http://snurl.com/2oyh Grave Pits at Belzec #10
http://snurl.com/2oyj Grave Pits at Belzec #11
http://snurl.com/2oyl Grave Pits at Belzec #12
http://snurl.com/2oyo Grave Pits at Belzec #13
http://snurl.com/2oyq Grave Pits at Belzec #14
http://snurl.com/2oyr Grave Pits at Belzec #15
http://snurl.com/2oyt Grave Pits at Belzec # 16
http://snurl.com/2oyu Grave Pits at Belzec #17
http://snurl.com/2oyw Grave Pits at Belzec #18
http://snurl.com/2oyx Grave Pits at Belzec #19
http://snurl.com/2ozd Grave Pits at Belzec #27
http://snurl.com/2ozf Grave Pits at Belzec #28
http://snurl.com/2ozh Grave Pits at Belzec #29
http://snurl.com/2ozu Grave Pits at Belzec #30
http://snurl.com/2ozy Grave Pits at Belzec #31
http://snurl.com/2p01 Grave Pits at Belzec #32
http://snurl.com/2p03 Grave Pits at Belzec #33
More recent work by the same archeologist, Andrzej Kola, was done at
Sobibor.
By ANDRZEJ STYLINSKI
The Associated Press
11/23/01 3:34 PM
WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- Polish researchers said Friday that they have
discovered mass graves at Sobibor, a death camp in eastern Poland that
was
razed by the Nazis after inmates staged an uprising.
Seven mass graves and the sites where several buildings stood were
found, said Andrzej Kola, an archaeology professor supervising what he
said
was the first thorough study of the former camp.
The Nazis, who built the camp in occupied Poland in 1942, razed it in
1943 after an uprising in which inmates killed nine guards and tried
to
flee.
Three hundred Jews escaped from the camp, but dozens of them were
killed in a surrounding mine field and most of the rest were hunted
down
over subsequent days.
A total of about 50 people who escaped from Sobibor survived World War
II. Some 250,000 people, most of them Jews, are believed to have died
in the
camp.
The research team began drilling around the site over the summer to
determine where buildings and graves might have been located, Kola
said. The
study is sponsored the government.
The drillings provided the initial evidence of mass graves and traces
of a long barrack. After further excavation at the building site,
researchers uncovered 1,700 bullets in one of its corners, leading
them to
believe that
prisoners were executed there, Kola said.
Researchers also found various objects used by inmates or guards,
including metal cups and spoons, watches and binoculars.
Kola said the barrack, located about 70 yards from the mass graves,
might have served as a gas chamber, but that further study was
necessary.
More archaeological research is planned for next year after the ground
thaws.
The test drillings and preliminary excavations have been concentrated
at former camp No. 3 at Sobibor, which was a death camp. Two other
sections
were used to imprison slave laborers.
The camp, on Poland's eastern border with Belarus, was turned it into
a Holocaust memorial in the 1960s by the Polish government. New
memorial
plaques, a parking lot and a small exhibition were added in the 1990s.
The government plans to expand the museum at Sobibor, which will
include artifacts recovered during the archaeological research.
===================
Now Cummins, has anyone bothered to confirm the the deaths of Nazi
soldiers during WWII?
Oh oh! Maybe WWII never happened!
Moron.
--
Philip Mathews
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c19l9l$3dj$1...@pcls4.std.com>
Here is further proof:
The Sins of Rabbi Steven JACOBS
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0 0
Rabbi Steven Jacobs' sexual misconduct would constitute one of the milder cases
in the line-up presented here, were it not that it provoked murder. But given
that it did provoke murder, the question is raised below of whether Jacobs and
his whole congregation should have foreseen that it might provoke murder, and
whether they do not bear some responsibility for that murder.
Beyond outlining the Green-Jacobs case, the material below discusses denial and
cover-up of sexual misconduct among rabbis.
In one highly publicized case, Michele Samit — who does not claim to be a
victim of rabbinic sexual misconduct — says her community vilified her after
she wrote a book about the relationship between Anita Green and Green's rabbi,
Steven Jacobs.
Green was the president of Shir Chadash/The New Reform Congregation in Los
Angeles when she was murdered in 1990.
Her husband, Mel Green, was convicted of ordering the killing, and is now
serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
Although the Greens were separated at the time of the murder, Anita's affair
with Jacobs began while she was still living with her husband, according to
Samit's book, "No Sanctuary: The True Story of a Rabbi's Deadly Affair."
Mel Green was an angry, jealous and violent man who had long threatened Anita,
even in public, Samit wrote.
Several people who were Jacobs' congregants at the time said in telephone
interviews that at Green's funeral, Jacobs — who had first denied but later
reluctantly admitted the relationship — eulogized the dead woman not as a
rabbi talking about his temple president but as a lover.
Samit wrote of the eulogy: "The rabbi recalled 'admiring or just staring at her
beautiful nails and her gentle hands; those hands, her skin so very soft, so
reassuring, those beautiful hands.'"
"No one [in the congregation] said anything" about it, Samit said in a recent
interview, referring to what she believed was Jacobs' inappropriate language.
"The reaction of the congregation was nothing. Not even discussion."
That's what convinced Samit she had to leave the congregation and the rabbi who
had been her lifelong spiritual guide, she said. She said she was the target
of a smear campaign.
"People called me from the congregation and harangued me. They said, 'You
egomaniacal whore, you think you're better than us. How could you destroy such
a wonderful man?'"
"This was the most painful thing. Rabbi Jacobs was my hero. I had him on such
a pedestal. He bat mitzvahed me" and presided at her wedding. "I baby-sat his
kids. We were so close."
Jacobs denied that his relationship with Green was an illicit affair.
"She was a dear friend, my temple president, and after the fact that she was
going through a divorce and I had already been divorced, there was a romantic
relationship," he said in a recent telephone interview.
He described Samit's book as "full of lies," and said some have accused him of
adultery because "people are angry when you achieve a lot in rabbinic life.
"I would not be in the position and stay in the position if people didn't know
who I am."
Samit said she believes she and every other member of Jacobs' congregation bear
some responsibility for Anita Green's murder.
"There were signs to all of us that Anita was in danger, and we ignored them
because we wouldn't dare cross our beloved rabbi," she said.
Another congregant, Michael Hirsh, outraged by his rabbi's behavior and his
community's response, wrote to the head of the Reform rabbinical association's
ethics committee in April 1993, charging Jacobs with violating the group's
ethics code and demanding that it assess Jacobs' behavior.
Rabbi Jeffrey Stiffman, then the head of the committee, wrote back to Hirsh
that Jacobs had agreed "to uphold all provisions of our Code of Ethics," which
requires rabbis "to adhere to an exemplary moral code" and "to avoid even the
appearance of sexual misconduct."
Hirsh responded to Stiffman with a letter saying that the action amounted to
nothing more than "a rabbinic consent decree" for Jacobs to do it all over
again.
"If there is a shanda [shame] here, it is not only in Jacobs' immoral conduct
but in your organization's complicity in covering it up," wrote Hirsh, a former
investigative journalist and current television producer.
Jacobs remains the rabbi of Temple Kol Tikvah, the name adopted after Shir
Chadash merged with another synagogue.
Experts in clergy sexual abuse say congregants' denial is dangerous because a
rabbi can harass and exploit numerous victims for decades on end without any of
the individuals knowing the others exist, forcing each to suffer alone.
If a rabbi has sexually exploited one congregant, he almost always has
exploited several, Fortune said, without referring specifically to any of the
above-mentioned cases.
In the end, while rabbinic perpetrators often take a new job within their
movements or even stay in their pulpits after a slap on the wrist from their
rabbinical organizations, it seems the victims often go away.
They often break all ties to the Jewish community and, in some cases, convert
to another religion.
According to Fortune, denial of the problem is so pervasive because "none of us
wants this to be happening."
There is "long-term damage being done here that we're going to be living with
for years," she said.
"It doesn't have to be that bad if we respond better."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
Debra Nussbaum Cohen, "Conspiracy of silence" fuels rabbis' sexual misdeeds,
Jewish Bulletin of Northern California, 01-Nov-1996
www.jewishsf.com/bk961101/1blast.htm
Debunks2005
>Message-id: <UXWZb.241338$U%5.1531088@attbi_s03>
Each case is unique and must be judged on the basis of its own merits or
demerits.
Debunks2005
>From: John Morris John....@UAlberta.CA
>Date: 2/21/2004 8:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <aqag30d01nvavaqan...@4ax.com>
I leave the lying to people of your ilk.
Debunks2005
>Date: 2/21/2004 9:13 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <ATWZb.241321$U%5.1531363@attbi_s03>
It is a waste of time with people like you.
>
>> >> And the facts of this case as presented by your own 'scholar' of
>choice, proves
>> >> that at least ONE of the accused was guilty of murdering Father
>Tommaso.
>> >
COMMENT: THAT WAS MY OPINION THEN AND IT REMAINS MY OPINION NOW.
Your continued handwaving away of this evidence does not constitute proof that
your assumptions are valid.
And the hat to which they were led by one of the suspects. End of case as far
as I am concerned. Whether it was a 'ritual' murder, or murder for robbery, or
murder out of antichristian 'hate'...yes, a 'hate' rather than a 'hat'
crime....the fact remains that this priest was murder by X numbers of Jews in
the ghetto, most likely because he was preaching Catholicism to Jews in the
ghetto.
>Your lies are despicable, and you were made to look foolish in the
>Damascus discussion.
>
>--
>Philip Mathews
Thank for posting this old excerpt. It proves my opinion and the reasons for
it to be perfectly valid to any honest individual.
Debunks2005
>From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@comcast.net
>Message-id: <zUWZb.379729$na.569822@attbi_s04>
Pardon me if I do not consider your mindless name calling to be synonymous with
'debate'
Debunks2005
>From: "Philip Mathews" philip...@comcast.net
>Message-id: <fi3_b.381241$na.570147@attbi_s04>
Nazis who confessed under torture? Recall your own words re the tortured
suspects in the Damascus Case.
Ron Jacobson
Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html
>>
>> (snip some)
>>
>> "The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more
>>than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests."
>>
>> (snip some)
>>
>> "The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were
>>investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated.
>>The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved
>>had died by the time the allegation was made."
>>
>> <\quote>
>Here is further proof:
>
>The Sins of Rabbi Steven JACOBS
Christ-killing Joe, why can't you honestly and seriously address
the fact that THOUSANDS of priests have molested children? Why do you
reply by citing a few cases in which rabbis have apparently misconducted
themselves?
It is a serious problem, Christ-killing Joe. It has done tremendous
damage to the Catholic Church -- not only because of the thousands of
molesting priests, but because leading figures in the Church have,
for years, hid the horrible truth, and thus contributed to the crimes
committed.
Can you deal with it, or will you, instead, dig up some dirt on
some rabbi and post it? What do the rabbis have to do with it, anyway?
Cheers, RJ.
-----
"His mouth be on us and our children" -- Christ-killer Joe
Bellinger (aka Debunks2005), in a truly scary Freudian slip,
posted to this forum on 2004-02-21 13:01:25 PST.
John Morris
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In <20040223153853...@mb-m14.aol.com> in alt.revisionism,
on 23 Feb 2004 20:38:53 GMT, debun...@aol.com (Debunks2005) wrote:
> >> >http://snipurl.com/4kes
> ><insert smart-ass evasion here>
> I leave the lying to people of your ilk.
As predicted. It was very obliging of you to provide a smart-ass
evasion.
But you claimed there were lies Philip's recounting of the evidence
in the Damascus case. Yet, it comes as no surprise that you chose
the coward's course.
Yet the fact the remains that exculpatory witnesses were killed, and
some of the accused died under torture. In such circumstances, why
is it difficult to believe that he torturer led the tortured to the
sole shred of damning evidence?
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Debunks2005
>Date: 2/23/2004 1:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <c1dptf$4at$1...@pcls4.std.com>
>
>In article <20040223153734...@mb-m14.aol.com>,
>Debunks2005 <debun...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>From: rj...@TheWorld.com (Ron Jacobson)
>
>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/02/16/church.abuse/index.html
>>>
>>> (snip some)
>>>
>>> "The survey, to be released February 27, found that children made more
>>>than 11,000 allegations of sexual abuse by priests."
>>>
>>> (snip some)
>>>
>>> "The report said that 6,700 of the 11,000 allegations were
>>>investigated and substantiated, and another 1,000 were unsubstantiated.
>>>The remaining 3,300 were not investigated because the priests involved
>>>had died by the time the allegation was made."
>>>
>>> <\quote>
>
>>Here is further proof:
>>
>>The Sins of Rabbi Steven JACOBS
>
> Christ-killing Joe
Joe-hating Jacob, why can't you keep this discussion impersonal without
resorting to name-calling? Moreover, the appellation you try to ascribe to me
is prima facie absurd.
> why can't you honestly and seriously address
>the fact that THOUSANDS of priests have molested children?
I have never denied that x numbers of perverts posing as priests have molested
teenagers, and that the liberal-leftist spirit engendered by Vatican II opened
the doors of tolerance to these perverts masquerading as priests. Furthermore,
I do not believe that anyone knows exactly how many 'priests' are truly
involved, or how many accusations are valid, nor does their abhorrent beahvior
reflect adversely upon the magesterium of the Church, which decries
homosexuality in all its manifestations.
>Why do you
>reply by citing a few cases in which rabbis have apparently misconducted
>themselves?
I am simply responding in kind to your own postings.
> It is a serious problem,
>Christ-killing Joe.
So is mindless name-calling. Especially when it is prima facie absurd and
contradictory. Who is denying that molestation of children, whether by
'priests' or 'rabbis' or 'ministers' or 'judges' or anyone else for that
matter, is utterly evil?
> It has done tremendous
>damage to the Catholic Church --
It is the spirit of Vatican II which has been the cause of this damage.
>not only because of the thousands of
>molesting priests,
Exact figures are impossible to ascertain due to the extremely low number of
trials and actual convictions. Certainly 'you' evince an earnest 'desire' to
place the figure in the thousands, if not tens of thousands.
> but because leading figures in the Church have,
>for years, hid the horrible truth, and thus contributed to the crimes
>committed.
I will not disagree with you there. If the Church remained faithful to its
hallowed traditions, these perverts would never have achieved a foothold within
the Catholic Community.
> Can you deal with it, or will you, instead, dig up some dirt on
>some rabbi and post it?
As long as you keep attempting to limit the crime of child abuse to Catholic
priests, I feel duty bound to disprove your thesis.