Attn Lurkers: Self-Proofs Are NOT Proofs WAS Re: Jews, etc.
Susan Cohen
Doc Tavish wrote:
> In article <slrn6prbf...@unix3.netaxs.com>,
> i...@global.plantation.org
> says...
>
> >>Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old
> >>religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross,
>
> >Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! ROTFL!!! As we have clearly
> >seen, "Tavish" himself spits on every teaching and commandment of Jesus
> >and Christianity by his actions!
> >
> >Lurkers may want to check out the "Calendar of Jewish Persecution" at:
> >
> > http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.htm
> >
> >It has a list of everything major which has been done to attack Jews.
> >If it included attacks by KKK and like groups, vandalized synagogues,
> >etc, the file would be unspeakably huge! The crapola that "Tavish" is
> >whining about here positively pales in comparison!
>
> What did the Apostle Paul and other Bible writers say about who
> started the persecution?
Once again, we have the problem of some ignorant soul trying to use a book to
prove what's in it.
> Did Christians harass and torture Jews in the
> first century or was it Jews that did the harassing, torturing and the
> executions?
I'm sure the Christian Bible only says what Christians want it to.
> Care to deny the following Bob:
>
> Imagine being dragged from your house, hunted down town from town,
> flogged in a "house of worship", imprisoned and executed and all on
> account of your religion. Am I referring to events 70 years ago? No. I
> am referring to what First Century Christians endured!
As written in a book by Christians for Christians.
> http://x2.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=328995720
> The Apostle Paul says much in two Bible scriptures:
>
> 1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
> 14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
> which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
> same things those churches suffered from the Jews, 15 who killed the
> Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God
> and are hostile to all men.
>
> Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in this little bit of
> scripture!
>
> He brought out in two verses:
> 1) " those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
> little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
> 2) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
> to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
> least by any stretch of the imagination:
> 3) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."
>
> I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
> Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
> Pharisees?
>
> Persecution and torture:
>
> Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
> [Jesus warned] Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and
> scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will
> scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town....
>
> [To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing
> people from town to town and flogging them in their synagogues! It
> happened and it is documented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]
>
> The fulfillment:
>
> Acts 5:27-30,40,41 (English-RSV)
> 27 And when they had brought them [Apostles], they set them before the
> council. And the high priest questioned them,
> 28 saying, "We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet
> here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and you intend to
> bring this man's blood upon us."
> 29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than
> men.
> 30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus whom you killed by hanging him
> on a tree.
> 40 ... they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged
> them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
> 41 Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they
> were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.
>
> Acts 8:1-3 (English-RSV)
> 1 And Saul was consenting to his death. And on that day a great
> persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were all
> scattered throughout the region of Judea and Sama'ria, except the
> apostles.
> 2 Devout men buried Stephen, and made great lamentation over him.
> 3 But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he
> dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.
>
> Acts 9:1,2 (English-RSV)
> 1 But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples
> of the Lord, went to the high priest
> 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if
> he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them
> bound to Jerusalem.
>
> Saul later became the Apostle Paul after being "converted" on the road
> to Damascus and here is his confession of what he did to Christians:
>
> Acts 22:1,2,4,5-8,19,20 (English-RSV)
> 1[Apostle Paul speaks]"Brethren and fathers, hear the defense which I
> now make before you."
> 2 And when they heard that he addressed them in the Hebrew language,
> they were the more quiet. And he said:
> 4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison
> both men and women,
> 5 as the high priest and the whole council of elders bear me witness.
> From them I received letters to the brethren, and I journeyed to
> Damascus to take those also who were there and bring them in bonds to
> Jerusalem to be punished.
> 6 "As I made my journey and drew near to Damascus, about noon a great
> light from heaven suddenly shone about me.
> 7 And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, 'Saul,
> Saul, why do you persecute me?'
> 8 And I answered, 'Who are you, Lord?' And he said to me, 'I am Jesus
> of Nazareth whom you are persecuting.' ......
> 19 And I said, 'Lord, they themselves know that in every synagogue I
> imprisoned and beat those who believed in thee. [YLT version: and I
> said, Lord, they -- they know that I was imprisoning and was scourging
> in every synagogue those believing on thee]
> 20 And when the blood of Stephen thy witness was shed, I also was
> standing by and approving, and keeping the garments of those who
> killed him.' ....
>
> More of Apostle Paul confessing and repenting from his wickedness:
>
> Acts 26:9-11 (English-RSV)
> 9 "I myself was convinced that I ought to do many things in opposing
> the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
> 10 And I did so in Jerusalem; I not only shut up many of the saints in
> prison, by authority from the chief priests, but when they were put to
> death I cast my vote against them.
> 11 And I punished them often in all the synagogues and tried to make
> them blaspheme; and in raging fury against them, I persecuted them
> even to foreign cities.
>
> {The Apostle Paul was really some sort of a vicious "Nazi" wasn't he
> when he existed as a Pharisee named Saul? He did all of this
> persecution in the name of Judaism! Proof below.}
>
> Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
> 1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
> Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
> 13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
> the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
> 14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
> people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.
>
> Acts 26:1,4,5 (English-RSV)
> 1 Agrippa said to Paul, "You have permission to speak for yourself."
> Then Paul stretched out his hand and made his defense:
> 4 "My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my
> own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
> 5 They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify,
> that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as
> a Pharisee.
>
> Here is what the Universal Encyclopedia (1905 ed) says of the
> relations of the First Century Christians and Pharisees: "In the
> passages referring to the Christian period, "minim" usually indicates
> Judeo-Christians.... During the first century of Christianity the
> Rabbis lived on friendly terms with the minim.... These friendly
> feelings, however, gradually gave way to violent hatred, as the minim
> separated themselves from all connection with Jews and propagated
> writings which the Rabbis considered more dangerous to the unity of
> Judaism than those of the pagans. 'The writings of the minim,' says
> Rabbi Tarfon, 'deserve to be burned, even though the holy name of God
> occurs therein'... It was forbidden to partake meat, bread, and wine
> with the min. Scrolls of the Law, tefillin, and mezuzot written by a
> min were burned (Git. 45b ; Yer, Shab. 14b ; Ab, Zarah 40b...) ... The
> relatives of a min were not permitted to observe the laws of mourning
> after his death, but they were required to assume festive garments and
> rejoice (Sem. ii. 10; Yoreh De'ah, 345).... an Israelite who found
> anything belonging to a min was forbidden to return it to him (see
> Hoshen Mishpat, 266, 2)." Univ Jew Encyc (1905) page 595
>
> [The claim made above: "During the first century of Christianity the
> Rabbis lived on friendly terms with the minim." is out of agreement
> with what the Bible said. Tavish]
As I've pointed out before, what's inthe Bible can;t be verified, and no one with
a valid argument ever falls back on just the Bible to prove what's in the Bible
as Scotty's doing.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Let the "deniers and revisionists" lie all they wish but they can't
> keep denying that theyir forefathers invaded homes, dragged people out
> and commited them to prison, floggings and even death! Yes, the true
> "deniers and revisionists" are the Jews!
Not at all, since the only "proof" used against Jews is being used to verify
itself! This wouldn't work in any court of law, as I'm certain by now you lurkers
understand.
> More of their activity recorded for posterity:
All taken from a book written by Christians for Christians.
> INCITING RIOTS & MISCHIEF:
>
> Acts 9:22-23 (English-RSV):
>
> 22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the
> Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Christ.
> 23 When many days had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him....
>
> Acts 13:45 (English-RSV):
>
> But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy,
> and contradicted what was spoken by Paul, and reviled him.
>
> Acts 13:50 (English-RSV)
>
> But the Jews incited the devout women of high standing and the leading
> men of the city, and stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas,
> and drove them out of their district.
>
> Acts 14:2,19 (English-RSV)
>
> 2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their
> minds against the brethren.
> 19 But Jews came there from Antioch and Ico'nium; and having persuaded
> the people, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city,
> supposing that he was dead.
>
> Acts 17:5 (English-RSV)
>
> But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked fellows of the
> rabble, they gathered a crowd, set the city in an uproar, and attacked
> the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the people.
>
> Acts 21:27,30 (English-RSV)
>
> 27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, who
> had seen him in the temple, stirred up all the crowd, and laid hands
> on him,
> 30 Then all the city was aroused, and the people ran together; they
> seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates
> were shut.
>
> Acts 23:12-15 (English-RSV)
>
> 12 When it was day, the Jews made a plot and bound themselves by an
> oath neither to eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
> 13 There were more than forty who made this conspiracy.
> 14 And they went to the chief priests and elders, and said, "We have
> strictly bound ourselves by an oath to taste no food till we have
> killed Paul.
> 15 You therefore, along with the council, give notice now to the
> tribune to bring him down to you, as though you were going to
> determine his case more exactly. And we are ready to kill him before
> he comes near."
>
> [NOTE: Acts 23: 15 (English-NIV) council is rendered as Sanhedrin:
> Now then, you and the Sanhedrin petition the commander to bring him
> before you on the pretext of wanting more accurate information about
> his case. We are ready to kill him before he gets here.]
>
> We all know who these Jews were; they were adherents if the Pharisees
> and the Sanhedrin was the Pharisees' "court."
Anyone who wants to know why this is uttely false can e-mail me: my address is
not de-spammed, nor is it false - as I have nothing to hide or anyone from whom
to hide.
> I.E.
>
> The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474] says:
> "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
> break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
> ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
> of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
> largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
> it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
> partly works of edification (Haggadic)."
Which still means nothing, as none of this proves that the Pharisees did what
Scotty says they did - as, once again, you can;t use any book to prove the
contents of said book.
> Here is what two different Jewish sources state what Judaism is
> based on:
>
> ".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
> TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
> and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America
>
> "The TALMUD is to this day the circulting heart's blood of the Jewish
> religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we
> are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
> sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD. It is our common law."
> THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH
> by Herman Wouk which also ran serially in the (11/17/59)
> New York Herald Tribune
Which still mean nothing, however hard Scotty tries to link these quotes to his
nonexistent "proof".
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
> [Jesus warned] Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and
> scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify.....
> ^^^^^
[snips of goofy, off-topic stuff, reduced to Scotty's point:]
> Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
> November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
> Jews.
Yes, IOW, he wasn't Jewish himself. I would thank Scotty for pointing this out,
but since he's actually forced the discussion off-topic by dragging in a non-Jew,
I guess we can just toss this, right?
(Much as I'd like the Jews to be able to take credit for toppling the Tsarist
regime, I just can't. Besides, as anyone with a competant history degree know,
the first Bolshevik governments were nothing like the later ones. The first ones
tried to fulfil all the promise of a worker's paradise.It wasn't until later,
when the real fascists got in, that things started getting bad! Oddly enough.
Jews were persecuted just for being Jews *then*.)
> He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
> with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>
> [...]
>
> As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
> September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
> provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
> support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
> hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
> directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
> revolution......
>
> Above found at:
> http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>
> "Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
> commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
> the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
> which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
> common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).
>
> Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
> Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
> Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
> Russian Bolshevik party.
>
> In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
> and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
> scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
> on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
> 824-827).
>
> U.S. Gov't Printing Office House Document 1868
> (65th Congress, 3d session- file# 861.00/8029):
>
> Report of the Netherland Minister Relating to the conditions in
> Petrograd.
>
> "Whole Soviet government has sunk to the level of a criminal
> organisation. Bolsheviks realise that their game is up and have
> entered into a career of criminal madness."
>
> "I found it necessary to promise that Litvinov should be allowed to
> leave England at once..."
>
> "The foregoing report will indicate the extremely critical nature of
> the present situation. The danger is now so great that I feel it is my
> duty to call the attention of the British and all other Governments to
> the fact that if an end is not put to Bolshevism in Russia at once the
> civilisation of the whole world will be threatened...."
>
> "...the danger is also being realised in German and Austrian quarters.
> I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the
> greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war which
> is still raging, and unless as above stated Bolshevism is nipped in
> the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another over
> Europe and the whole world as it is organised and worked by Jews who
> have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own
> ends the existing order of things."
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Also see who killed Jesus:
>
> http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=314141792
>
> The above is a "detective" case book style presentation.
Which all reputable Christian sects, any theological historian & even the census
records of the time deny, but Scotty never lets facts get in his way.
> ...........................................................................
>
> Click these links to see more attacks:
>
> http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323269855
This one is about the Jewish government tying to make sure missionaries can't lie
to Jews about what religion they really are. It;s to protect the integrity of the
Jewish religion.
I guess Scotty would rather they be killed outright, like in some fundamentalist
Islamic regimes.
> http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324814177
This is actually just a squabble between Scotty & someone who opposes his lies
(which makes this claim that it is Jewish harassment of Christians yet another
lie!)
> MUST READ! Christians To Be Jailed In Israel:
> http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324708577
More about the anti-missioanry law, & Christians who insisted on trying to break
it.
> Further proofs Israeli Jews discriminate against Christians:
>
> http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323027504
A mishmash of his personal opinions & 40 year old newspaper articles!
> http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323060239
quotes from the notorious loon, Israel Shahak, which Scotty takes as Gospel
because they agree with him. Gee, what a surprise! (not!)
> .......................................................................
> ..
>
> On genocide, murder and torture of Non-Jews:
>
> http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318947612
> "Bolshevik Concentration Camps. Original Hells on Earth This 20th
> Century (Who Created and Operated Them)"
Nowhere does Scotty prove what he implies - that it was jews who set up said
camps. He just tries to drag in Trotsky again (& the camps to which he refers
were around in the late 2o's), who even he says wasn't Jewish.
> http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=319081207
> "Communist Holocaust Killed Tens of Millions of People!"
More of the same.
> http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=335065661
> "Torah on Jews' Genocide Against Gentiles." A MUST READ.
Yes, a must read, as it describes what is probably the most civilized form of
warfare known at the time. Realize as you read it that no one else at the time
would have bothered to have rules of warfare which insisted on asking for a
peaceable surrender.
> http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=331000536
> "Holocausts Unwritten -- The Media Still Sleeps (Repost Of Different
> Author's Series)"
The same communism stuff which cannot be pinned on the Jews, no matter how hard
Scotty tries.
> http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=326817686
> "Genocide & Ideology and Concepts of Peace in Judaism"
This is fabulous, as there is are two terrific whoppers in it:
As I mentioned, Rabbi ben Yohai, according to the Talmudic
teachings have instructed his Jewish followers to "Even the best of
Goyim (non Jews) should "ALL BE KILLED". This passage is from the
Babylonian Talmud as quoted by The Jewish Encyclopedia, Funk and
Wagnalls, 1907, p. 617. There is no script like this in either of the
Soncino or Babylonian Talmud.
(Lie number one: see? He says it's inthe Babyonian Talmud, & then says it's not
in there)
For more information about this and
other attitudes please click the site at the end of this message.
Please remember that I am a Semite, a PURE one, and, thus, only
ignorant can call me an anti-Semitic. I am against those who raped my
people and continue to rape them in such a brutal way, the
Jews.
(With a name like Scott Bradbury, he claims to be a pure-Semite? Of course, most
of you will know that "anti-Semite" was a term coined by a late nineteenth
century German who wanted to make his bigotry seem more scientific, & refers
only to Jews).
> http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=320617325
> "Genocide and Forced Labor (Original Creators Established Within)
> Waged Against Gentiles"
Back to the Bible again, where you will, of course, understand that, until then,
warfare was even bloodier & the consequences worse than before Judaism came
along.
> I'd say that in the light of all the time flow of history a Jew hasn't
> received a thing that he hadn't laready dished out to others!
Yeah, Scotty says all sorts of things. Luckily, many of them are transparent.
> The
> lashes on the backs of theose first century Christians being flogged
> right in Jewish Synagogues (as the scripture) said
Funny, but Scotty was at great pains to point out how all the Christians were
Jews when it suited his purposes - i.e., when one of them said something bad
about Judaism. Now, when he wants to paint them as victims, they're just
Christians.
I guess Scotty would rather all those "flooged Jews" had been put to death for
apostacy instead. He doesn't like mercy when it messes up his lies.
> above did not hurt
> any less than the lashes the Nazis laid on Jews! There is one
> exception- the Nazis limited their lashes to 25- hence the expression
> "count twenty-five" BUT the jews would go up to forty save one Deut
> 25:1-3; care to deny this Bob?
I guess Scotty would rather the first Christians had just been starved into
skeletons & then tossed into ovens, like those kind, sweet nazis did to anyone -
not just Jews - they felt was beneath them for any reason.
Scotty is, at best, amusing. But he is rather a verbose waste of bandwidth!
Susan
Doc Tavish
wrote:
>Doc Tavish wrote:
>
>> In article <slrn6prbf...@unix3.netaxs.com>,
>> i...@global.plantation.org
>> says...
>>
>> >>Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old
>> >>religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross,
>>
>> >Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! ROTFL!!! As we have clearly
>> >seen, "Tavish" himself spits on every teaching and commandment of Jesus
>> >and Christianity by his actions!
>> >
>> >Lurkers may want to check out the "Calendar of Jewish Persecution" at:
>> >
>> > http://www.hearnow.org/caljp.htm
>> >
>> >It has a list of everything major which has been done to attack Jews.
>> >If it included attacks by KKK and like groups, vandalized synagogues,
>> >etc, the file would be unspeakably huge! The crapola that "Tavish" is
>> >whining about here positively pales in comparison!
>> What did the Apostle Paul and other Bible writers say about who
>> started the persecution?
>Once again, we have the problem of some ignorant soul trying to use a book to
>prove what's in it.
How else do you do it?
>> Did Christians harass and torture Jews in the
>> first century or was it Jews that did the harassing, torturing and the
>> executions?
>I'm sure the Christian Bible only says what Christians want it to.
I guess like your Talmud only says what the Children of The Devil, as
labeled by Jesus, want to say. John 8: 44-48
>> Care to deny the following Bob:
>>
>> Imagine being dragged from your house, hunted down town from town,
>> flogged in a "house of worship", imprisoned and executed and all on
>> account of your religion. Am I referring to events 70 years ago? No. I
>> am referring to what First Century Christians endured!
>
>As written in a book by Christians for Christians.
Pitiful reply Susan and it is but your opinion!
So you are saying that the Old Testament what you Jews have as your
Torah (Five Books of Moses) is also in this same class too? Must be
because your Talmud does every thing it can to twist what was
originally written. That is why Jesus daily excoriated your spiritual
forefathers for daily in the synagogues. I.E. their traditions:
Matthew 15:1-30 (English-RSV)
1 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said,
2 "Why do your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For
they do not wash their hands when they eat."
3 He answered them, "And why do you transgress the commandment of God
for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'He who
speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.'
5 But you say, 'If any one tells his father or his mother, What you
would have gained from me is given to God, he need not honor his
father.'
6 So, for the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of
God.
7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
8 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from
me;
9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of
men.'"
10 And he called the people to him and said to them, "Hear and
understand:
11 not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of
the mouth, this defiles a man."
12 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Do you know that the
Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?"
13 He answered, "Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted
will be rooted up.
14 Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if a blind man leads a
blind man, both will fall into a pit."
15 But Peter said to him, "Explain the parable to us."
16 And he said, "Are you also still without understanding?
17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the
stomach, and so passes on?
18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this
defiles a man.
19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery,
fornication, theft, false witness, slander.
Verse 19 looks like what you, the Nizkorites, ADL and B'nai B'rith do
all the time to the rest of humanity or non-Jews. In case you wish to
deny that the Pharisees are you spiritual forefathers then consider
what these people have written:
New Edition of the Babylonian Talmud
by Michael L. Rodkinson
New Talmud Publishing Co. Boston
From the Introduction:
The History of the Talmud Chapter One
The name "written law' was given to the Pentateuch, Prophets,
and Hagiographa, and that of "oral law" to all the teachings of the
"sages" consisting of comments on the text of the Bible. The word
Torah alone was applied to the entire Bible, the term "Talmud" was
reserved for the oral law......the name Talmud" was applied to what
was styled by the long phrase "Oral Law" (Torah-she b'al-Peh).
[Remember what you said about the Bible Susan? You said:
>As I've pointed out before, what's inthe Bible can;t be verified, and no one with
>a valid argument ever falls back on just the Bible to prove what's in the Bible
>as Scotty's doing.
I even left in your personal insults. You will never figure out why so
many people have despised you Pharisees for so long. Tavish]
___________________________
Now consider what the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition,
page 474] says: "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its
descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the
Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a
literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in
existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single member
of that literature, and round it are gathered a number of Midrashim,
partly legal (Halachic) and partly works of edification (Haggadic)."
[NOTE: The words in parenthesis are as they appeared in the text; they
are not my additions.]
".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America
"The TALMUD is to this day the circulting heart's blood of the Jewish
religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we
are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD. It is our common law."
THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH by Herman Wouk which
also ran serially in the (11/17/59) New York Herald Tribune
(I know the material is below too but I wanted to keep the flow
linear. Tavish 7/9/98)
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Let the "deniers and revisionists" lie all they wish but they can't
>> keep denying that theyir forefathers invaded homes, dragged people out
>> and commited them to prison, floggings and even death! Yes, the true
>> "deniers and revisionists" are the Jews!
>Not at all, since the only "proof" used against Jews is being used to verify
>itself! This wouldn't work in any court of law, as I'm certain by now you lurkers
>understand.
You really are running around in circles aren't you? Going by your
standards evry Nazi convicted at Nuremburg should be acquitted by your
same standards. Can't rely on those documents heh?
>> More of their activity recorded for posterity:
>
>All taken from a book written by Christians for Christians.
What you are saying and correct me if I have judged you wrong: "The
Bible is lies and misrepresentations."
Well what about Masada and all the other material that I post about
Jews inciting riots such as the Spartacist uprising in Germany? I
forgot your spin doctoring on those!
Why don't you post it Susie Q? Afraid to? You can e-mail me if you
desire. My address is NOT filtered or "de-spammed" or false as you put
it! I merely put the DELETEME in to keep from getting spammed by all
of the marketers wanting me to get rich or sell me a vacation. Other
people do it! Ken Lewis aka Electric Zen does it!
I.E.
From: elect...@nospam.bigfoot.com (Electric Zen)
You just want to make what I do look sinister. You just don't
understand the gimmick. In Ken Lewis' e-mail you just remove the
"nospam" and to send me e-mail you just delete the "DELETEME"- simple
enough for you now?
>> I.E.
>>
>> The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474] says:
>> "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
>> break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
>> ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
>> of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
>> largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
>> it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
>> partly works of edification (Haggadic)."
>Which still means nothing, as none of this proves that the Pharisees did what
>Scotty says they did - as, once again, you can;t use any book to prove the
>contents of said book.
You are really a Denier and a Revisionist aren't you? Remember what I
posted as shown above? Here is another whip lash across your back
Zenda Coven:
>> Let the "deniers and revisionists" lie all they wish but they can't
>> keep denying that theyir forefathers invaded homes, dragged people out
>> and commited them to prison, floggings and even death! Yes, the true
>> "deniers and revisionists" are the Jews!
Now do you see my point about who the true Revionists and Deniers are?
It's Jews!
>> Here is what two different Jewish sources state what Judaism is
>> based on:
>>
>> ".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
>> TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
>> and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America
>>
>> "The TALMUD is to this day the circulting heart's blood of the Jewish
>> religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we
>> are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
>> sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD. It is our common law."
>> THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH
>> by Herman Wouk which also ran serially in the (11/17/59)
>> New York Herald Tribune
>Which still mean nothing, however hard Scotty tries to link these quotes to his
>nonexistent "proof".
The people's court will decide.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
>> [Jesus warned] Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and
>> scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify.....
>> ^^^^^
>[snips of goofy, off-topic stuff, reduced to Scotty's point:]
Can't stand those whip lashes can you Zenda Coven? I will whip your
back raw with these proofs. Do you feel the lash bite?
>> Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>> November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>> Jews.
>
>Yes, IOW, he wasn't Jewish himself. I would thank Scotty for pointing this out,
>but since he's actually forced the discussion off-topic by dragging in a non-Jew,
>I guess we can just toss this, right?
What was Trotsky then, a Gentile? You're a regular hoot Susie Q.
>(Much as I'd like the Jews to be able to take credit for toppling the Tsarist
>regime, I just can't. Besides, as anyone with a competant history degree know,
>the first Bolshevik governments were nothing like the later ones. The first ones
>tried to fulfil all the promise of a worker's paradise.It wasn't until later,
>when the real fascists got in, that things started getting bad! Oddly enough.
>Jews were persecuted just for being Jews *then*.)
What does this Jewish organization say about the toppling of the
Tsarist (Czarist) regime:
Click http://www.jewishamerica.com/TimeLine/haskala.htm
to see (excerpt)
Haskala Jews splinter into several groups which are fueled by diverse
ideologies. Some form a culture group that is based upon a Jewish
language. Some form a Hebrew Haskala; others form a Yiddish Haskala.
Some make Russian culture and citizenship into an ideal. Others join
the growing number of people who are against social and economic
inequality. They join the struggle to obtain rights for the exploited
labor class, which turns into Socialism. Others will become Secular
Zionists. ^^^^^^^
The Czar exploits the break-offs. In their struggle against
traditional Judaism, Haskala Jews are given some privileges and
assistance, sometimes clandestinely. Some get influence in the Bureau
of Jewish Affairs and interfere with religious matters.....
A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel
their energy into creating a home land of their own.
Some Haskala Jews turn to political revolution. The Russian Revolution
of the early 20th century will overthrow the Czarist government and it
will be led by a disproportionate number of Jews. The Czar that used
civil unrest against the Jews will be destroyed by it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What do the last two sentences say about the overthrow of the Czar
Susie Q? You have been aced once again haven't you?
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=314141792
Yeah, um huh- post some of your heavily documented proof dear.
>> ...........................................................................
>>
>> Click these links to see more attacks:
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323269855
>This one is about the Jewish government tying to make sure missionaries can't lie
>to Jews about what religion they really are. It;s to protect the integrity of the
>Jewish religion.
Yeah um huh- it is just your Damned by G-d Pharisees continuing as
they have from the first century!
>I guess Scotty would rather they be killed outright, like in some fundamentalist
>Islamic regimes.
Islam has no bearing on this discussion- this is about Jews and
Christians.
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324814177
>This is actually just a squabble between Scotty & someone who opposes his lies
>(which makes this claim that it is Jewish harassment of Christians yet another
>lie!)
Let the lurker decide if it's true!
>MUST READ! Christians To Be Jailed In Israel:
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=324708577
>More about the anti-missioanry law, & Christians who insisted on trying to break
>it.
Like what happened to Jesus' disciples in the first century? You are a
true daughter of the Pharisees! Your spiritual forefathers threw them
in jail as well. See your evil horde has not changed in two thousand
years! You prove it with your apologia for the jailing of Christians!
The sad thing is all of these blind American Christians thinking Jews
are their "brothers" and they should support Israel both politically
and financially. I just gave you another whip lash too Susie Q! Your
back must really be bleeding and hurting by now!
>> Further proofs Israeli Jews discriminate against Christians:
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323027504
>A mishmash of his personal opinions & 40 year old newspaper articles!
http://x10.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=323060239
>quotes from the notorious loon, Israel Shahak, which Scotty takes as Gospel
>because they agree with him. Gee, what a surprise! (not!)
>> .......................................................................
>> ..
>>
>> On genocide, murder and torture of Non-Jews:
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=318947612
>> "Bolshevik Concentration Camps. Original Hells on Earth This 20th
>> Century (Who Created and Operated Them)"
>Nowhere does Scotty prove what he implies - that it was jews who set up said
>camps. He just tries to drag in Trotsky again (& the camps to which he refers
>were around in the late 2o's), who even he says wasn't Jewish.
http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=319081207
>> "Communist Holocaust Killed Tens of Millions of People!"
>
>More of the same.
http://x8.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=335065661
"Torah on Jews' Genocide Against Gentiles." A MUST READ.
>Yes, a must read, as it describes what is probably the most civilized form of
>warfare known at the time. Realize as you read it that no one else at the time
>would have bothered to have rules of warfare which insisted on asking for a
>peaceable surrender.
So you admit the genocide and forced labor of others is civilized?
A peaceable surrender meant that you were a slave to Jews until the
day you died.
There were Christians and there were Pharisees among Jews.
>I guess Scotty would rather all those "flogged Jews" had been put to death for
>apostacy instead. He doesn't like mercy when it messes up his lies.
>
>> above did not hurt
>> any less than the lashes the Nazis laid on Jews! There is one
>> exception- the Nazis limited their lashes to 25- hence the expression
>> "count twenty-five" BUT the jews would go up to forty save one Deut
>> 25:1-3; care to deny this Bob?
>I guess Scotty would rather the first Christians had just been starved into
>skeletons & then tossed into ovens, like those kind, sweet nazis did to anyone -
>not just Jews - they felt was beneath them for any reason.
What doid the Bolsheviks do?
>Scotty is, at best, amusing. But he is rather a verbose waste of bandwidth!
All you do is run your mouth and give your biased opinion- we never
see proof of which you cackle!
>Susan
>
"Those that continually chunk rocks at hornet's nest must not
cry when they eventually get stung." -- Sukiyaki Hashimoto