Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994. - Yids and Communism
Binyamin Cramer
"Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists and
yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war crimes
this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the identity of the persons who
were its architects.
Auschwitz is on the tip of every tongue but who has heard of Kolyma,
Magadan, the Solovetsky islands and the other infernal Soviet centers of
human destruction in eastern Siberia? Who has seen films and books about the
millions of human beings worked, frozen and starved to death in the
construction of the White Sea-Baltic Canal, over which stood a triumphant,
colossal statue of the Judaic Communist mass murderer Genrikh Yagoda?
The Judaic Communist epoch of mass murder has disappeared into history in
one of the great vanishing acts of all time. Only practiced deceivers, with
all the sleight of hand of the most accomplished stage magicians, could pull
off such a coup against the rest of humanity. To trick mankind into focusing
nearly all expiatory sentiment, monuments and commemoration on Judaic
victims and brand the Mark of Cain--the very words war crime and holocaust
itself--on Germany and upon Germans alone as their proprietary trademark,
must be regarded as one of the most masterful achievements of psychological
warfare in the annals of illusion.
Israeli power has expanded commensurate with the expansion of "Holocaust"
propaganda, as noted by the Israeli author Moshe Leshem: "Israelis and
American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is an
indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against their
common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
government-funded." ( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
This is why Edgar Bronfman, the billionaire Canadian Seagram's whiskey
merchant and chairman of the powerful World Jewish Congress says, "The
growing numbers of revisionist supporters cannot be ignored. We must use
every resource to stop revisionism now, before it's too late."
The reason it must be stopped is because revisionism could prevent the holy
people from finishing the job they started in Russia and Bavaria, only this
time they are using intellectual means to achieve the same end.
Consider the fact that the people who bear the brunt of contemporary Jewish
racist hatred and invective, the Germans, have among the lowest birthrates
and the highest abortion rates of any nation in the world. Far more Germans
die every year than are born.
The self-hating Germans are not the only targets of corrosive gas chamber
guilt, however. Organized Christianity (more accurately called Churchianity)
nowadays is little more than one huge turkey flock, truckling, toadying and
crawling in search of Judaic sanctification and approbation. Their savior
called the Jewish leadership of his time, "the children of hell" (Matthew
23:15) but those who presume to speak in His name today, call them the
saints and sages of the cosmos.
Only in such a profoundly falsified world soaked in fraud could the
international media sit by, uninterested, as the great-great grandson of the
blood-drenched Jewish Red Army commander Leon Trotsky, David Axelrod, shot
to death an elderly Palestinian couple in November of 1990, as part of an
Israeli, "Kach" terror group raid.
But imagine--if you can--the hubbub if a grandson of a Nazi war criminal had
shot a Turkish couple in Germany. The weeping, wailing and never-ending
references to "Never Forget" and "lessons of history" would seep out of the
collective TV sets of the earth like waste from a toxic septic tank, because
what is clear from such a double standard is that the true lessons of
history are not being learned and recollection itself is hostage to the
diorama of Zionist monomania.
Sixteen million ethnic Germans were forcibly expelled from Silesia, Moravia
and the Volga regions of the eastern territories at the end of the Second
World War. On this trail of tears, two million perished--shot to death,
starved, raped and beaten. Ask one in one thousand, one in ten thousand
people on the street today-- "Have you heard?" The answer will be no.
The Steven Spielberg movie images of cattle cars jammed with human cargo are
reserved for Jewish victims alone. The 800,000 mostly Muslim Chechens
deported by Judaic commissars and savagely stuffed into railway cars to
Kazakhstan, where a quarter of a million died enroute, do not meet
Hollywood's standard of cinematic focus.
The Soviet cattle car deportations afflicted more than a half-million
Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Christians who were shipped to the Gulag.
12% of the entire Baltic population was either deported to Siberia or
executed by the Jewish Soviet Secret Police. Who knows of it? Who cares? Who
tries to keep this history from repeating? Instead, in 1995 the president of
Lithuania made a pilgrimage to the Israeli gas chamber shrine at Yad Vashem
to grovel and beg "forgiveness" for his people who were the victims of the
Jewish Communist murderers. To seek forgiveness in all humility is ordained
when it is predicated on the truth. To do so based on false witness in order
to idolize the Pharisees is a mockery of justice.
In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
The following is a list of some top Judaic Communist murderers, commissars,
spies, assassins and propagandists (aliases are listed in parentheses). This
list is by no means comprehensive. To catalog all of the Judaic Communist
involved in crimes would require hundreds of pages.
Judaic Communists
V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander of
the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet Secret
Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim Wallach
(Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director, Soviet KGB,
later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named after
Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
the murderer).
Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters. The
Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
sentiment.
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (pictured at left): chief mass murderer for
Stalin, ordered the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of
Christian monuments and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ
the Savior. Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich
proclaimed, "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts."
(N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister of
Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer extraordinaire.
(Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize, wrote a hymn of
praise to Yagoda).
Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
Sea--Baltic Canal.
M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
Police.
Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
peasants in Spain.
Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser: general,
Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union. Grigori
Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general, Soviet Red
Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni Raskin:
deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of Brest-Litovsk,
Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were Jewish (cf.
Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
"insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev and
Leonoid Brezhnev.
Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The kulaks
were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin Meadow).
KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
Julius Rosenwald.
Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of
anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated the
Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to German
women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, "that blonde hag
is in for a bad time."
In a leaflet addressed to Soviet troops, Ehrenburg wrote: "...the Germans
are not human beings...nothing gives us so much joy as German corpses."
(Anatol Goldberg, Ilya Ehrenburg, p. 197). Goldberg concedes that Ehrenburg,
"...had always disliked the Germans...now that there was a war on he turned
his old prejudice into an asset." (Ibid., p. 193).
Another publication distributed to the Red Army, this time as the soldiers
approached Danzig, was described by a historian: "Millions of leaflets were
air-dropped on the troops with a message composed by the propagandist Ilya
Ehrenburg and signed by Stalin: 'Soldiers of the Red Army! Kill the Germans!
Kill all Germans! Kill! Kill! Kill!" (Christopher Duffy, Red Storm on the
Reich).
The Soviet leadership acknowledged that Ehrenburg sought the extermination
of the entire German people (cf. Pravda, April 14, 1945. [Pravda was also
published in a Yiddish edition, Einikeyt). Ehrenburg won the Order of Lenin
and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
'Holocaust' Museum.
Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film propagandists:
Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily Grossman,Yevgeny
Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies written by her
continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass
photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative
and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work as
a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972. His
Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New York
and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco. N.Y. Times writer Vicki Goldberg
exulted in the raising of the blood-drenched Soviet flag, emblem of the
slaughter of millions of peasants and Christians; describing it as, "...a
national (and worldwide) symbol of triumph, justice and revenge." (Jan. 31,
1997, p. B-26).
Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC): new form of the Bolshevik YEVKOM,
Stalin's recruiting conduit for funding money, supplies and political
influence for Soviet Russia from world Jewry as well as the dissemination of
gas chamber atrocity propaganda (cf. The Black Book).
Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
member of the Central Committee.
Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was Matyas
Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key roles in
ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal oppression
of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "
Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader of
Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's
Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police; the
Politboro commander Jacob Berman (pictured at right)
and commissars Minc, Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski. These men murdered
or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of thousands of
Catholic Poles.
According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of
the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the Communist
terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones like General
Romkowski, Colonel Rozanski, Capt. Studencki and Lt. Jurkowski. (cf. John
Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6. Sack in this article also
refutes some shoddy research performed by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, author of
Hitler's Willing Executioners, who, in the double standard typical of the
Jewish mentality, refuses to accept the proven fact that Jews ran the Polish
Communist secret police even as Goldhagen asserts the racist myth that the
entire German nation was guilty of genocide. Sack does a good job of proving
Goldhagen wrong about Poland).
In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist youth
organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of Jewish
origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee. Communism
appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more vigorously than
any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their apogee in the years
immediately after World War Two, when the party leadership was totally in
the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that abhorred anti-Semitism."
(Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 5, 1992, p. 16).
Of course when one encounters the issue of Judaics, Communists and Catholics
in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder
of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never
raised. Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at the
role of Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at Kielce and
which has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the centerpiece of
the "discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually mentioned.
Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish bigots"
whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews" resulted in
"yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."
But the Catholic Primate of Poland at the time, Cardinal Hlond, a brave
prelate in a stalwart tradition of Christian resistance to Jewish tyranny in
Poland, so different from the traitorous philo-Judaism of the current
Pontiff, stated that the attack in Kielce occurred because of resentment
'due to the Jews who today occupy leading positions in Poland's (Communist)
government and endeavor to introduce a governmental structure that the
majority of Poles do not wish to have." (Ibid., Kirshner).
As Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University observes, "The average Pole could not
but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most powerful men in the
country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was the dreaded security
official Rozanski." (N.Y. Review of Books, Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of the
papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence to
canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of the
Nazis. Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish,
Communist massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian
Catholics, Lithuanian Catholics--he was too busy, intoning the Shoah,
referring to the heirs of the Pharisees as "our Elder Brothers in the Faith"
giving official recognition to an Israeli state which even many orthodox,
Haredi rabbis regard as a blasphemous and abominable entity, and attacking
the German people as "the image of the beast."
Solomon Morel (pictured at left): commandant of a post-war Communist
concentration camp for Germans in Poland. Stalin deliberately put Jews in
charge of such camps. Morel tortured and murdered thousands of Germans,
sometimes with his bare hands (cf. "The Wrath of Solomon," Village Voice,
March 30, 1993 and John Sack, An Eye for an Eye). Morel is comfortably
esconsed in Tel Aviv. German survivors of Morel's camp have demanded he be
tried as a war criminal, but for the Establishment media and the phony,
partisan, "human rights" groups, bringing Morel to justice is simply a
non-issue. After all, he murdered helpless Germans, so what's the problem?
Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
Stalin, son of Julius. "The Communist Party was also the most Jewish party
in America. At least nineteen percent of the Young Communist League were
Jews and never less than forty percent of its leadership." (Source: "Pakn
Treger: From Yiddish Roots to the Frontiers of Jewish Culture," Fall 1997,
p. 18).
Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth Werner:
colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and Ethel
Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris Cohen
(Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of German
Communist Stasi Secret Police.
Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David Dubinsky:
Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment Workers Union.
Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist propagandist.
Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor Rothschild: top
British espionage agent for Stalin.
Mark Zborowski: "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen Schwartz,
Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937.
In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In
the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital in
San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists in
the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski and
Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec.
1992).
From 1936-1939, when Stalin's "International Brigade" forces were dispatched
to Spain to fight the Catholics, Jewish Communists comprised the largest
faction of his troops, "More than 40,000 volunteers fought in the
International Brigade...A huge number of the volunteers were Jews: between
7,000 and 10,000 of the Internationals as a whole, more than one-third of
the Americans." Jewish Communist Milton Wolff was the last commander of the
American contingent. Rabbi Hyman Katz joined in order to fight Spanish
Christians. (cf. Jeffrey Sharlet, "Troublemakers," Pakn Treger, Fall, 1997,
pp. 16, 18 and 24).
The Communists slaughtered 6,549 Spanish priests, 283 helpless nuns and 13
bishops. "In Ciudad Real in the center of Spain, the bishop and every single
priest of the diocese were murdered; not one escaped." --Dr. Warren H.
Carroll, 70 Years of the Communist Revolution, pp. 184-185, 188-189. (Also
cf. Justo Perez de Urbel, Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War [Kansas
City, Missouri: The Angelus Press, 1993).
Marvin (osugeography)
>On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
December, 1994:
"Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
By MICHAEL SPECTER,
Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
and snipped the spurious remainder.
The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
Nothing else remains.
Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
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Joe
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The guy is a fraud.
Binyamin Cramer
"Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Then you'e fucked up. Again. Yid cunt. Or you're lying. Which is it, yid
cunt?
Binyamin Cramer
"Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
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Horseshit. I'm not the yid, b'luto.
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Binyamin Cramer
"Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You're a lying piece of shite. The article I posted came directly from
theWashington Post.
What rock have you slithered out from beneath this time, turd?
I must have the yids of the Jewnited States worried for number one turd
(after nazihunter) to have surfaced to spray his lies around in a futile
attempt to discredit me.
Marvin (osugeography)
wrote:
> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
> >>wrote:
> >> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> > I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> > December, 1994:
>
> > "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> > By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> > Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
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> > and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> > The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> > Nothing else remains.
> > Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> You're a lying piece of shite. The article I posted came directly from
> theWashington Post.
Then why did you attribute it to the New York Times, starting your
post "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
> What rock have you slithered out from beneath this time, turd?
Cramer's heighth of wit, a mixed metaphor.
> I must have the yids of the Jewnited States worried for number one turd
> (after nazihunter) to have surfaced to spray his lies around in a futile
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Repeated scatological obsession noted.
Marvin Sebourn
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Then
TurkeyBoy
helpless and abused animals is neither pro-holo nor anti-holo but I am
outraged at Zionist denials of Jewish Communist crimes. Jews were very
proud of their Jewish Communist monsters until the decline of the
Soviet Union. They started denying the Jewish Communist crimes only
after America became the dominant power and all those Jewish
Communists from Russia needed a place to go. They claim that they need
to leave Russia because of religious persecution. Religious
persecution, my foot! The Russians are pissed off at them because of
all the dirty things they did as Communists.
Have a nice vegetarian day!
On Jun 16, 7:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
wrote:
RJ11
Marvin (osugeography) <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> Nothing else remains.
> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
Jesus Christ. More "Cramer" forgeries? I thought he'd be
more careful, after being caught a few times already.
RJ.
RJ11
Marvin (osugeography) <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
But you gotta admit -- for him, that's an improvement!
RJ.
DoD
"RJ11" <rj...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:f51k5b$2p6$1...@pcls6.std.com...
If creamer was honest, well then he wouldn't be creamer.
DoD
LOL!!! creamer got busted again..... lol....
Ed
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> > wrote:
> >> In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
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> >> >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> >> I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> >> December, 1994:
>
> >> "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> >> By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> >> Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> >> and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> >> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> >> Nothing else remains.
> >> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
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> >> Marvin Sebourn
> >> osugeogra...@aol.com
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> >> .
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> > The guy is a fraud.
>
> Horseshit. I'm not the yid, b'luto.
You ARE a fraud, Cramer. I already told you how to show us all that
you mean what you say about the Holocaust, and you haven't yet done
so. It proves you're not only a fraud, but a coward as well.
Ed
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> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
Get real. No one needs to discredit you. You do a fine job of it
yourself.
Binyamin Cramer
"DoD" <navy...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Nope. The turd from Oklahoma is lying through his rotten teeth. As is his
wont.
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Cramer, you are amazing! You have my nomination for the revisionist
Nobel Laureate of the week (fiction)!
And you have demonstrated that you have the psychic skill to channel
the literary work "Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record", by
Michael A. Hoffman II (Copyright 2006. All Rights Reserved), from
revisionisthistory.org and claim that it was printed in the New York
Times, then when called on that, the Washington Post.
You may find Cramer's (Hoffman's) cited work at
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have anything.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
Marvin (osugeography)
Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have nothing.
Binyamin Cramer
If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would have discovered I
corrected that statement.
>
> You may find Cramer's (Hoffman's) cited work at
> http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
>
> Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have anything.
I quite obviously have enough to have forced you out from under your rock,
you horrid little man.
Marvin (osugeography)
CRamer wrote:
> If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would have discovered I
> corrected that statement.
Where? Yet another Cramer lie? The idea of you attempting to rebuke
anyone here is amusing.
>> Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have (nothing).
> I quite obviously have enough to have forced you out from under your rock,
> you horrid little man
Yes, you have enough intellectual dishonesty to do just that. And if
it is true that in doing so, I came out "from under (my) rock, I would
be forced to descend from there, descent to much greater depths, to
find you.
But get back to your correction of the statement. Did it originate in
the NYT, the Washington Post, or was it in a dozen more revisionist or
denier or identity sites which quoted Hoffman? Or does Hoffman write
for the Washington Post? Where is the correction?
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
Binyamin Cramer
> On Jun 16, 7:22?pm, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
> wrote:
>> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> CRamer wrote:
>
>> If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would have discovered
>> I
>> corrected that statement.
>
> Where?
In a secondary post, turd.
>Yet another Cramer lie?
I have no need to lie, turd. I'm not a yid. Nor do I have a Holocaust(tm) to
prop up.
>The idea of you attempting to rebuke
> anyone here is amusing.
Be amused. I really couldn't give a flying fuck for your opinion, turd.
Particularly after having been provided with your "CV" so to speak.
>
>
>>> Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have (nothing).
Whereas you, turd, are nothing.
>
>> I quite obviously have enough to have forced you out from under your
>> rock,
>> you horrid little man
>
> Yes, you have enough intellectual dishonesty to do just that. And if
> it is true that in doing so, I came out "from under (my) rock, I would
> be forced to descend from there, descent to much greater depths, to
> find you.
No ad hom in you, is there, turd?
>
> But get back to your correction of the statement. Did it originate in
> the NYT, the Washington Post, or was it in a dozen more revisionist or
> denier or identity sites which quoted Hoffman? Or does Hoffman write
> for the Washington Post? Where is the correction?
Google for it, turd. And cease with your lying, huh.
TurkeyBoy
wrote:
<snip>
> You may find Cramer's (Hoffman's) cited work athttp://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
>
> Without ad hominems, Cramer, you have anything.
Thanks for the link. It is very interesting. Just because you found
the information here, it could still have been published elsewhere.
Most of the holo stuff we see posted originates from Jews. According
to your logic, we should discount it because of its source. Do not go
there because you would have nothing. From what I know about the role
of Jews in Communist horrors, the post is credible, at least as
credible as the pro-holo stuff.
Richard Warren
Crammer's correction is up his ass. With his brains.
>
>
>
fla...@verizon.net
On 16-Jun-2007, "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 7:14?am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
> wrote:
> > What rock have you slithered out from beneath this time, turd?
>
> Cramer's heighth of wit, a mixed metaphor.
And as illiterate as usual.
What a maroon!
Susan
RJ11
Binyamin Cramer <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1182037915.5...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> And you have demonstrated that you have the psychic skill to channel
>> the literary work "Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record", by
>> Michael A. Hoffman II (Copyright 2006. All Rights Reserved), from
>> revisionisthistory.org and claim that it was printed in the New York
>> Times, then when called on that, the Washington Post.
> If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would
> have discovered I corrected that statement.
Translation: "Cramer" has been caught -- yet again -- posting
lies and forgeries.
Tell us, forger: just how exactly can someone "confuse"
between the NY Times and a "revisionist" website?
RJ.
DoD
"RJ11" <rj...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:f52khn$92q$1...@pcls6.std.com...
It is easy when someone is a troll like creamer....
Binyamin Cramer
JacobsOn, of course, is lying through his teeth. Again.
I did NOT say it came from a revisionist weg site. The sebourn turd said
that.
JacobsOn once again proves his bent for pathological lying.
>
>
>
RJ11
Binyamin Cramer <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> JacobsOn, of course, is lying through his teeth. Again.
You asserted that the sorry piece of drivel you
posted was from the NY Times.
It was proved that you lied. You don't even dispute that.
If you had one molecule of decency in your rotten,
perverted being, you'd have shut your filthy hole.
You are one of the most disgusting failed experiments
of Mother Nature, "Cramer". A truly horrendous depravity
in semi-human form.
RJ.
DoD
"RJ11" <rj...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:f52p8m$qeq$1...@pcls6.std.com...
That is the absolute truth...I love that line...You can't get closer to the
truth....
Binyamin Cramer
I did indeed state it came from the NY Times, which it in fact does.
The document is available from the NY Times. Sebourn was lying when he
stated it was not the correct document. His track record for honesty almost
matches jacobsOn's.
JacobsOn the liar said I obtained the document from a Revisionist website.
That is a damnable lie, but then again - that's our ronnie.
RJ11
Binyamin Cramer <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> The document is available from the NY Times.
"If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would
have discovered I corrected that statement".
Who wrote that, doper?
RJ.
DoD
Binyamin Cramer
And who followed up with a correction?
Of course JacobsOn would never admit to that, would he. Pathological liars
never do.
>
>
>
Doc Tony
-R- -R- DE KD2LP. HI-HI, FB OM UR 5-9-9 SIGS QSO ET CRAMER MSG! BCU!
73 DE KD2LP! .- / .-. [space] ... / -.- !
Doc Tony
;-)
[and then ...]
Alex "MuleschlepŽ" Vangel [Topaz] : "Uncle Kurt! Uncle Kurt! Look at
this! Ummm, like, what is it?"
Kurt "alte PuppeŽ" Knoll: [looks ...] "Ja-ja, mein Primus, das ist, ja,
die Sprache des ZOGES !" [* the language of "ZOG"]
Vangel: "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh!"
;-)
flores...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> December, 1994:
>
> "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> Nothing else remains.
> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
Yeah, I think anyone with room temp IQ would know that such an article
would never appear in the Jew York Times. So, do you have any
rebuttal
to the actual facts presented in this excerpt? Didn't think so.
RJ11
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I think anyone with room temp IQ would know that such
> an article would never appear in the Jew York Times.
Tell that to "Cramer". He insists it did.
RJ.
Richard Warren
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182105152....@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
There were no facts,Crammer. Just like all the rest of your posts.
flores...@hotmail.com
>
> There were no facts,Crammer. Just like all the rest of your posts
I'm not Cramer, you dumb lick.
The excerpt was chock full of historical facts that ZioNazis want
erased
from the record.
flores...@hotmail.com
> Very good post! Your gallant defender of turkeys and all other
> helpless and abused animals is neither pro-holo nor anti-holo but I am
> outraged at Zionist denials of Jewish Communist crimes. Jews were very
> proud of their Jewish Communist monsters until the decline of the
> Soviet Union. They started denying the Jewish Communist crimes only
> after America became the dominant power and all those Jewish
> Communists from Russia needed a place to go. They claim that they need
> to leave Russia because of religious persecution. Religious
> persecution, my foot! The Russians are pissed off at them because of
> all the dirty things they did as Communists.
They pis people off wherever they go, always have.
Chris C. Larson
>
> - Show quoted text -
Foreskin:
Still clueless, apparently.
Richard Warren
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182114282....@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 17, 4:45 pm, "Richard Warren" <rwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There were no facts,Crammer. Just like all the rest of your posts
>
> I'm not Cramer, you dumb lick.
You might as well be. You're just as big an asshole.
>
> The excerpt was chock full of historical facts that ZioNazis want
> erased
> from the record.
And the sun rises in the west.
Marvin (osugeography)
> -R- -R- DE KD2LP. HI-HI, FB OM UR 5-9-9 SIGS QSO ET CRAMER MSG! BCU!
> 73 DE KD2LP! .- / .-. [space] ... / -.- !
>
fm cruise es land trip, CU, EI, F. G, GU, OH, ES, and OZ prefixes.
Next is KZ5 (old prefix) passage, W 2 E. Gud to hr fm u, OM. 73 de M.
CL
Doc Tony
.-. / .-. ! Hello, Marvin! Ahhh, see there, your correct 'es' [and] and
my "Bizzzzzz!" <et> [a forced-fed Latin throw-back perhaps?] , alas,
that's perhaps why you're the top o' the line 'Extra Class' and I had to
settle for "I cudda' been a contender" 'Advanced Class' -- I'm still
envious of your "Top O' the World, Ma!" FCC ticket! ;-)
Hey, nice travel zones there! Sounds like you're going for WAC and 'been
there' status to boot! I'm still shooting for WAS, you know,
Hawaii/Alaska, and I get bupkis! Time for the 2KW 'kicker'? I still
enjoy CW and RTTY and 40/80 'phone' but admit forthwith to 'peeking' on
the screen when the CW sender makes with a sort of 'drifting upwards'
20+ WPM and/or QCW Club ... 'and proud of it' thing! Whew! But I do
stay clear of the Extra bandwidth and I'm convinced 'some' of you folks
check the Callbook just to be sure -- HI-HI [Note to lurkers OR those
believing it's "gotta' be" ZOG stuff, that's pronounced "High-High", the
ARO 'guffaw']
Always a pleasure, Marvin! BCU OM ES UR 5-9-9 EXC SIGS! N5CL de KD2LP.
73! <AR> <SK>
Doc Tony
;-)
flores...@hotmail.com
>
>
> > The excerpt was chock full of historical facts that ZioNazis want
> > erased
> > from the record.
>
> And the sun rises in the west.
So, perhaps you could surprise me and point out just which parts
were false, exaggerated, biased, etc,. etc. Oh, I forgot, you didn't
even read it, 'cause you're a little ZioNazi who will whine, scream
or bleat simple one-line rebukes anytime someone states facts
you don't like.
Binyamin Cramer
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182174230.3...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 17, 9:53 pm, "Richard Warren" <rwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > The excerpt was chock full of historical facts that ZioNazis want
>> > erased
>> > from the record.
>>
>> And the sun rises in the west.
>
> So, perhaps you could surprise me and point out just which parts
> were false, exaggerated, biased, etc,. etc.
That's the last you'll see of him.
flores...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Mmmm, maybe. But, knowing his type quite well, he could
re-appear for some mindless potshot or two. They do
all they can....but don't have much to work with.
Richard Warren
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182174230.3...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
I don't debate with lying nazi turds. Now, surprise me and cite the article
from a non-nazi website.
flores...@hotmail.com
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
See what I mean Cramer? Do I know 'em or do I know 'em! :)
Binyamin Cramer
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182183527.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Well, yes. Such a brilliant response from the silly little turd too, isn't
it. Typical.
>
Richard Warren
<flores...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182183527.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Said one asshole to another.
>
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52p8m$qeq$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <qrWdneHZx5ZNfunbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> JacobsOn, of course, is lying through his teeth. Again.
>
> > You asserted that the sorry piece of drivel you
> > posted was from the NY Times.
>
> > It was proved that you lied. You don't even dispute that.
>
> > If you had one molecule of decency in your rotten,
> > perverted being, you'd have shut your filthy hole.
>
> > You are one of the most disgusting failed experiments
> > of Mother Nature, "Cramer". A truly horrendous depravity
> > in semi-human form.
>
> That is the absolute truth...I love that line...You can't get closer to the
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you a female? You think like one, DoD. With your emotions.
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52tbt$8mn$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <o-6dnZAnw4XVaunbnZ2dnUVZ_t2tn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> The document is available from the NY Times.
>
> > "If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would
> > have discovered I corrected that statement".
>
> > Who wrote that, doper?
>
> LOL....
Lots of Love
Tell it like it is.
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Her's one fact you won't find in the New York Times, Richard Dawson
AKA. Congress is compromised. If they are honest every jew in America
beginning with AIPEC will scream antisemitism!
Tell it like it is.
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nazi. Are you American?
Tell it like it is.
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182183527.6...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 12:15 pm, "Richard Warren" <rwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1182174230.3...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Jun 17, 9:53 pm, "Richard Warren" <rwar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > The excerpt was chock full of historical facts that ZioNazis want
> >> >> > erased
> >> >> > from the record.
>
> >> >> And the sun rises in the west.
>
> >> > So, perhaps you could surprise me and point out just which parts
> >> > were false, exaggerated, biased, etc,. etc. Oh, I forgot, you didn't
> >> > even read it, 'cause you're a little ZioNazi who will whine, scream
> >> > or bleat simple one-line rebukes anytime someone states facts
> >> > you don't like.
>
> >> I don't debate with lying nazi turds. Now, surprise me and cite the
> >> article
> >> from a non-nazi website
>
> > See what I mean Cramer? Do I know 'em or do I know 'em! :)
>
> Said one asshole to another.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Speaking of assholes, anyone who calls Americans, Nazis, is not very
bright.
Only one kind of people stoop that low.
Tell it like it is.
> <floresriki...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You can vouch for that as a fact.
Tell it like it is.
wrote:
> In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> December, 1994:
>
> "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> Nothing else remains.
> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> osugeogra...@aol.com
>
> .
gobbledegook. I can't figure out what you are saying. I do know that
public officials have been compromised in the U.S., and the madness of
going to war is being promoted by AIPEC and they aren't the United
Nations in Washington, D.C..
Tell it like it is.
> On Jun 16, 3:35 am, "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> > >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> > I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> > December, 1994:
>
> > "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> > By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> > Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> > and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> > The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> > Nothing else remains.
> > Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> > Marvin Sebourn
> > osugeogra...@aol.com
>
> > .
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I hope so. Because I lack the superior intelligence to make sense of
whatever it is he wrote besides his attacking a guy named Cramer. I
don't like seeing people labeled.
Naziism in Germany came about because of Communism in Russia. Only one
kind of person labels a person a Nazi. Unfortuinately, kids see things
as they are. And using cowardly labels in lieu of reasoning causes
once innocent kids to become as vicious as the labels they hear- from
adults!. That is what creates things like neo-nazis as in neo-
conservatism. Kids are better in detecting bullshit than adults.
Paradoxically, they immediately detect it, but lack the experience and
wisdom necessary to understand what they sense as injustice and un-
truth (propaganda). Suffice it to say, the injustice they sense, when
their innocence is compromised is sufficient for them. They should
never hear anyone being labeled a Nazi no more than we label anyone a
communist. Even though for eight years our Ambassador to France was a
jew and self-professed Communist, and that while France was being
bashed by the media because of her long-standing ties with the Arab
world. In fact, supplying the parts for Saddam Husseins military
apparatus.
It is not good in my opinion to scream "boycott france" while
wrecking havoc on France's economy simply to invade a nation and kill
it's ruling family. Refering to Americans as Nazis for realizing the
seriousness of invading a sovereign nation. Once you descend to the
level of your enemy, You are no better. If not worse, in fact, than
he.
Israel should have defined borders, and that would bring
peace if the effort of diplomatic channels are established to
safeguard those borders. But, the US isn't even defenfding its own
borders. Gratia an Israeli-American as the nation's National Security
Advisor to the President.
People are confusing war and defense. Labels become all important in
the propaganda war.
Fact: Hamas won a democratic election in
Palestine. That must mean Palestine feels the way Hamas does about
Israel's occupation of them. It's withholding of much needed
assets,and the hatred that occupation is instilling in the hearts and
minds of their once innocent children. Hamas is being labeled as a
terrorist organization by the US gratia AIPEC and the ISRAELI-American
National Security Advisor to the USA!. Israel is a terrorist
organization. See what labels do. The door swings both ways. People
are simply human.
The Generals in Iraq say the war can't be won militarily. Who started
the war in Iraq? Americans? Put a label on a Congressman, and he's
compromised.
Marvin (osugeography)
<DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 7:56 am, Joe <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 3:35 am, "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> > > >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> > > I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> > > December, 1994:
>
> > > "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> > > By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> > > Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> > > and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> > > The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> > > Nothing else remains.
> > > Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> > > Marvin Sebourn
> > > osugeogra...@aol.com
>
> > > .
>
> > The guy is a fraud.- Hide quoted text -
> I hope so.
Referring to Joe's comment. That referred to Cramer, and not to me.
>Because I lack the superior intelligence to make sense of
> whatever it is he wrote besides his attacking a guy named Cramer.
It's really simple. Cramer copied and pasted what he titled
>"Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994)<
His C&P started like this: "This was a movement staffed in its upper
echelons by Judaic Communists and yet the world is comparatively
silent about the holocaust and war crimes this thoroughly kosher
system inflicted and the identity of the persons who were its
architects".
This article was not published in the New York Times, as Cramer
claimed. On that date in the NYT an artiocle was published "Pelvozh
Journal; Cold reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade" By Michael
Specter. Specter's article in no way resembles the article Cramer cut
and pasted.
When called on this, Cramer wrote that it was published in the
Washington Post. Cramer's cut and paste is actually part of a longer
writing, "Judaic Communists, The Documentary Record" by Michael A.
Hoffman II. It can be accessed at http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
Permission was never granted to publish it in hard copy.
If it was published in a newspaper, it was published without
permission.
> don't like seeing people labeled.
I commented on Cramer's accuracy of attribution.
Understand?
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
> compromised.- Hide quoted text -
Tell it like it is.
wrote:
>
> Permission was never granted to publish it in hard copy.
>
> If it was published in a newspaper, it was published without
> permission.
>
> > don't like seeing people labeled.
>
> I commented on Cramer's accuracy of attribution.
>
> Understand?
>
> Marvin Sebourn
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yah, thanks. But are the the facts stated any less valid?
Tell it like it is.
>
> Permission was never granted to publish it in hard copy.
>
> If it was published in a newspaper, it was published without
> permission.
>
> > don't like seeing people labeled.
>
> I commented on Cramer's accuracy of attribution.
>
> Understand?
>
> Marvin Sebourn
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I mean the facts in the article.
Joe
<DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 7:56 am, Joe <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 16, 3:35 am, "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> > > >On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > > "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> > > I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> > > December, 1994:
>
> > > "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> > > By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> > > Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> > > and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> > > The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> > > Nothing else remains.
> > > Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> > > Marvin Sebourn
> > > osugeogra...@aol.com
>
> > > .
>
> > The guy is a fraud.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I hope so. Because I lack the superior intelligence to make sense of
> whatever it is he wrote besides his attacking a guy named Cramer. I
> don't like seeing people labeled.
I don't care what you like. I'm not here to seek your approval.
> Naziism in Germany came about because of Communism in Russia.
Bullshit.Try reading the Rise and Fall of The Third Reich.
Binyamin Cramer
"Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182307369....@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The article, you lying turd, is in fact referred to in the New York times on
that date. Very much so.
>
> When called on this, Cramer wrote that it was published in the
> Washington Post.
+
Which I subsequently corrected. No mention of that from you. Why might that
be, oh professional liar?
>Cramer's cut and paste is actually part of a longer
> writing, "Judaic Communists, The Documentary Record" by Michael A.
> Hoffman II. It can be accessed at
> http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
Which is not the document I extracted the information from. Despite your
bleating to the contrary. Do you suppose this lives on only one website?
>
> Permission was never granted to publish it in hard copy.
>
> If it was published in a newspaper, it was published without
> permission.
>
>
>> don't like seeing people labeled.
>
> I commented on Cramer's accuracy of attribution.
The attribuation obviously was correct. The article does indeed reside in
the New York Times' archives, laddie. As you have stated yourself.
>
> Understand?
I understand you're a lying piece of dreck. Your activities certainly
reinforce the information I have on you.
Binyamin Cramer
"Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
news:1182310843.7...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
BBBWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Another novel from a commo, yid sanctioned author.
You're a fool, b'luto.
>
>
Joe
wrote:
> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/da69421bc0d055b3
Joe
wrote:
> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists and
> this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the identity of the persons who
Communism was "kosher"? ROTFL!
See Leviticus, Chapter 11.
Joe
wrote:
> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists and
> yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war crimes
> this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the
KOsher????? This is Kosher:
http://www.awitness.org/biblehtm/le/le11.htm
Binyamin Cramer
Jewish Communists
V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme
commander of the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev):
executive, Soviet Secret Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign
minister. Maxim Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri
Andropov: director, Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet
Union.
Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered
the massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named
after Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in
honor of the murderer).
Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters. The
Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time,
Boris Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to
anti-Jewish sentiment.
Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (pictured at left): chief mass murderer for
Stalin, ordered the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of
Christian monuments and churches, including the great Cathedral of
Christ the Savior. Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich
proclaimed, "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her
skirts." (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of
slave labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress;
sister of Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee
and wife of Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer,
Soviet Cheka Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize,
wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).
Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp
system.
Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother
of Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave
labor, supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of
the White Sea--Baltic Canal.
M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
Police.
Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in
the Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests
and peasants in Spain.
Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser:
general, Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
Soviet Red Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni
Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of
Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals
were Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among
these were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and
General Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian
leaders including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This
Jewish wife "insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as
Andrei Andreyev and Leonoid Brezhnev.
Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin
Meadow).
KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land
seized from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American
financier Julius Rosenwald.
Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda and disseminator of
anti-German hate material dating from the 1930s. Ehrenburg instigated
the Soviet Red Army rape and murder of German civilians. Referring to
German women, Ehrenburg gloated to the advancing Red Army troops, "that
blonde hag is in for a bad time."
Binyamin Cramer
Fucking oath it was. Riddled with yids in fact.
Jewish Communists
> See Leviticus, Chapter 11.
>
>
Binyamin Cramer
> On Jun 15, 10:04 pm, "Binyamin Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com>
> wrote:
>> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>>
>> This was a movement staffed in its upper echelons by Judaic Communists
>> and
>> yet the world is comparatively silent about the holocaust and war crimes
>> this thoroughly kosher system inflicted and the
>
>
>
> KOsher????? This is Kosher:
Depends on the day, b'luto.
Remember the fish story. A fish the yids wanted to eat had no scales, so
they went rabbi shopping until they found one who said the fish had one
invisible scale. The fish was then, and remains to this day, kosher.
Marvin (osugeography)
wrote:
> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
I will answer that in my closing words.
>
> > When called on this, Cramer wrote that it was published in the
> > Washington Post.
>
> +
> Which I subsequently corrected. No mention of that from you. Why might that
> be, oh professional liar?
Let's examine some of your statements to see who blusters, obfuscates,
and changes the subject. Then anyone can decide who is lying.
First you wrote that it was printed in the New York times.
Then, the Washington Post.
Then, this was "corrected".
But Cramer refused to state where it was published.
Now, above, he says it was REFERRED TO in the NYT, on the date you
stated, Dec. 3, 1994.
Who is lying?
> >Cramer's cut and paste is actually part of a longer
> > writing, "Judaic Communists, The Documentary Record" by Michael A.
> > Hoffman II. It can be accessed at
> >http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html
>
> Which is not the document I extracted the information from. Despite your
> bleating to the contrary. Do you suppose this lives on only one website?
I never said it did. At first search, the "document" showed up on
about a dozen websites, including:
Wake-up-america.net
Christianparty.net
Thebirdman.org
Russians.org
Seanbryson.org
I believe that all these websites linked to the document on the
website www.revisionisthistory.org
And wherever you "extracted the information from", the original is
here, on http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html The author
is Michael A. Hoffman II.
> > Permission was never granted to publish it in hard copy.
>
> > If it was published in a newspaper, it was published without
> > permission.
>
> >> don't like seeing people labeled.
>
> > I commented on Cramer's accuracy of attribution.
>
> The attribuation obviously was correct. The article does indeed reside in
> the New York Times' archives, laddie. As you have stated yourself.
>
> > Understand?
>
> I understand you're a lying piece of dreck. Your activities certainly
> reinforce the information I have on you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And if anyone reads nothing else in this entire post, these closing
words may be the most telling:
Cramer posted a "document", and originally and subsequently (here, in
this post) wrote that it was published in the "N.Y. Times, Dec. 3,
1994". "Very much so".
The very article that Cramer posted, and claimed was published or
referenced in the NYT on the 3rd of December, 1994, contained the
following separate citation dates (among others):
N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995
Jan. 31, 1997
May 14, 1997
Fall 1997
Jan. 26, 1996
Fall, 1997
Published or referenced in 1994, Cramer writes.
But Cramer's document cites works published in 1995, 1996, and 1997?
Benjamin Cramer: Poster Boy for Cognitive Dissonance.
Marvin Sebourn
osugeo...@aol.com
Eugene Holman
Cramer" <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> Jewish Communists
>
> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
No way.
Lenin (né Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Tell it like it is.
> In article <x_ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ_oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
>
> Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > Jewish Communists
>
> > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
>
> No way.
>
> Lenin (né Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
>
> Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
>
> Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
> Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
> Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
> Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
>
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman
During the Bolshevik era Russia was 80% illiterate peasantry. They did
not murder their Tzar. Both Lenin and Stalin were married to jews.
Communism brought on Naziism (Genocide) then Zionism created another
secular state Israel by destroying Palestine and that has brought on
Terrorism. One idiot secular ideology after another. Anything but
religion!
RJ11
Binyamin Cramer <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> The article, you lying turd, is in fact referred to in the
> New York times on that date. Very much so.
But the TEXT you posted is a forgery. It's NOT taken from
the NYT, but from a "revisionist" website,
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html, and it was
written by someone named Michael A. Hoffman II in 2006.
Everyone can download the real NYT article and check. You're
up the creek, forger. You should have tried lying about a source
which is not so easily accessible. But then, you're one dumb
nazi bastard, are you not.
RJ.
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52khn$92q$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <2--dnduyw89D4-nbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>> And you have demonstrated that you have the psychic skill to channel
> >>> the literary work "Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record", by
> >>> Michael A. Hoffman II (Copyright 2006. All Rights Reserved), from
> >>> revisionisthistory.org and claim that it was printed in the New York
> >>> Times, then when called on that, the Washington Post.
>
> >> If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would
> >> have discovered I corrected that statement.
>
> > lies and forgeries.
>
> > Tell us, forger: just how exactly can someone "confuse"
> > between the NY Times and a "revisionist" website?
>
> It is easy when someone is a troll like creamer....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you a female? "Creamer"?
RJ11
In August 1919, all Jewish religious communities [in the Communist
USSR] were dissolved, their property confiscated and the overwhelming
majority of synagogues shut for ever. The study of Hebrew and the
publication of secular works in Hebrew were banned. Yiddish printing
was permitted, but only in phonetic transcription, and Yiddish
culture, though tolerated for a time, was placed under careful
supervision.
</quote>
RJ.
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52p8m$qeq$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <qrWdneHZx5ZNfunbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> JacobsOn, of course, is lying through his teeth. Again.
>
> > You asserted that the sorry piece of drivel you
> > posted was from the NY Times.
>
> > It was proved that you lied. You don't even dispute that.
>
> > If you had one molecule of decency in your rotten,
> > perverted being, you'd have shut your filthy hole.
>
> > You are one of the most disgusting failed experiments
> > of Mother Nature, "Cramer". A truly horrendous depravity
> > in semi-human form.
>
> That is the absolute truth...I love that line...You can't get closer to the
> truth....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
DoD, pussy?
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52tbt$8mn$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <o-6dnZAnw4XVaunbnZ2dnUVZ_t2tn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> The document is available from the NY Times.
>
> > "If you'd care to be a little more honest, turd, you would
> > have discovered I corrected that statement".
>
>
> LOL....
Lots of it.
Tell it like it is.
> "RJ11" <r...@nospam.com> wrote in messagenews:f52khn$92q$1...@pcls6.std.com...
> > In article <2--dnduyw89D4-nbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vn...@giganews.com>,
> > Binyamin Cramer <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeogra...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1182037915.5...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> And you have demonstrated that you have the psychic skill to channel
> >>> the literary work "Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record", by
> >>> Michael A. Hoffman II (Copyright 2006. All Rights Reserved), from
> >>> revisionisthistory.org and claim that it was printed in the New York
> >>> Times, then when called on that, the Washington Post.
>
>
> > Translation: "Cramer" has been caught -- yet again -- posting
> > lies and forgeries.
>
> > Tell us, forger: just how exactly can someone "confuse"
> > between the NY Times and a "revisionist" website?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
"A foolish inconsistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
-Ralph Walso Emerson
One day all Americans will have the courage to speak as freely and
honestly as Cramer.
RJ11
Marvin (osugeography) <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote:
> This article was not published in the New York Times, as Cramer
> claimed. On that date in the NYT an artiocle was published "Pelvozh
> Journal; Cold reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade" By Michael
> Specter. Specter's article in no way resembles the article Cramer cut
> and pasted.
And everybody can easily verify that "Cramer" lied, by
looking at the real text on the NYT website.
And it's such a stupid forgery. As even "Cramer's"
sidekick "floresrikitic" wrote, "anyone with room temp IQ"
immediately realizes that the article was not taken from the
NYT.
RJ.
Tell it like it is.
Communists politically-oriented totally ethnocentric don't need
religion in 1917. Jewish Community centers in America serve the same
purpose.
Emil Müller
"Eugene Holman" <hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
news:holman-2006...@ke-hupnet181-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
The Jews claim for themselves eternal victimhood. It is interesting to learn
for a change that the tribe also produced its share in brutal perpetrators.
TurkeyBoy
> In article <x_ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ_oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
>
> > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > Jewish Communists
>
> > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
>
> No way.
>
> Lenin (né Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
He had to be at least part Jew.
>
> Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
His photo indicates that he was a Jew. Make fun of it if you want but
it is still better than the Zionist floating definition of Jew.
>
> Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
> Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
> Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
> Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
Assuming that you are correct and not one of these is a Jew but Beria
is. What does it prove? I do not believe that anyone ever claimed that
all communists were Jews. The problem is that so many of them were
Communists that the Germans were rightfully concerned about the Jewish
Communist threat inside Germany and from the Soviet Union. Jews having
all the power inside and around Germany plus the power of Jewish money
squeezed them to the point that they wanted a solution, any solution.
The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to blame them.
There are many things I would have done different from the Nazis.
Killing the Jews would not have been my option but if I were a German,
I would have stripped them of their power and wealth in Germany. Jews
have too much economic and political power today. It could backfire
again. I am sure that the Jews in pre Nazi Germany were just as
arrogant and sure of their power and wealth as they are today. None of
us can see into the future but...
Have a nice vegetarian day!
Joe
> "Eugene Holman" <hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi> wrote in message
>
> news:holman-2006...@ke-hupnet181-27.hupnet.helsinki.fi...
>
>
>
>
> >> "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >> Jewish Communists
>
> >> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
>
> > No way.
>
> > Lenin (né Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
>
> > Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
>
> > Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
> > Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
> > Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
> > Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
>
> > Regards,
> > Eugene Holman
>
> Who cares!
>
> The Jews claim for themselves eternal victimhood.
EXamples????????
Eugene Holman
TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 10:01 pm, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> > In article <x_ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ_oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
> >
> > Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > Jewish Communists
> >
> > > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
> >
> > No way.
> >
> > Lenin (n=E9 Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
>
> He had to be at least part Jew.
Why? He and Stalin were extreme anti-Semites in a country with
institutionalized anti-Semitism. The Russians would never have accepted a
Jew as their leader or, in the case of Lenin, their demigod.
> > Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
>
> His photo indicates that he was a Jew.
You have no other basis for saying that than your gut feeling. Beria was a
member of the Georgian Mingrelian minority. Your claim that he is a Jew is
based solely on your intuition about what a Jew ought to look like. That
has no value as evidence. Since Beria was a Georgian Mingrelian, you could
not even logically claim that he "looks like a Jew" until you had
established what it means to "look like a Georgian Mingrelian". Even then,
all of the biographical information that we have indicates that Beria was
*not* a Jew. Considering that he was born in Czarist Russia, a country
where this kind of information was regarded as important and registered,
this is significant. Beria looks (in your opinion) like a Jew, but he
*was* (in the light of all the information on record about him)
specifically a Mingrelian and more generally a Georgia, nor was he notably
different looking from others of that ethnic background. The same sources
tell us that Trotsky, Litvinov, and many others were Jews. Why should they
err by omission in the case of Beria?
Or do you want to claim that all Mingrelian Georgians are Jews because
they look more or less like Beria?
> Make fun of it if you want but
> it is still better than the Zionist floating definition of Jew.
> >
> > Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
> > Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
> > Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
> > Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
>
> Assuming that you are correct and not one of these is a Jew but Beria
> is. What does it prove? I do not believe that anyone ever claimed that
> all communists were Jews. The problem is that so many of them were
> Communists that the Germans were rightfully concerned about the Jewish
> Communist threat inside Germany and from the Soviet Union. Jews having
> all the power inside and around Germany
Jews were a minority of 550,000 in a country of close to 70,000,000 people
when the Nazis came to power. German anti-Semitism had resulted in Jews
being excluded from many positions of power, but it had backfired and
allowed Jews to dominate many modern urban professions such as law,
medicine, dentistry, and financing which were open to everyone. That said,
the real power in Germany at the time was in the very non-Jewish hands of
the industrial empires: Mercedes-Benz, AG Farben, Siemens, Krupp, Junkers,
Thuyssen, Telefunken,...
> plus the power of Jewish money
> squeezed them to the point that they wanted a solution, any solution.
That was Hitler's election propaganda.
> The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to blame them.
> There are many things I would have done different from the Nazis.
> Killing the Jews would not have been my option but if I were a German,
> I would have stripped them of their power and wealth in Germany.
That is what the Nazis did. The Nuremberg Laws of 1935 stripped Jews of
their citizenship and many civil rights. Subsequent legislation deprived
them of remaining rights such as using public transportation, sitting in
public parks, or owning automobiles, radios, or telephones. Things got so
intolerable, that close to half of Germany's Jewish population emigrated
between 1933 and 1939, even though emigration meant that they had to hand
over almost all of their assets and property to the state and arrive in
their new homeland as penniless refugees.
This did not prevent Nazi Germany from proclaiming that Germany was still
faced with a threat from the Jews in 1939 when the war began, or from
killing just about every Jew in the countries that it invaded between June
and 1941 and January 1942, when policy was radically modified to take into
account the fact that Jewish manpower and knowhow were an increasingly
valuable resource that would have to be exploited selectively if Germany
was going to win the war.
> Jews
> have too much economic and political power today.
That's like saying "White people have too much economic and political
power today". The concepts "Jew" asnd "white people" are too vague to mean
anything, particularly if your only criterion for classifying them as a
group is intuition based on appearance. If you can make a case that Jews
have too much economic and pokliticval power today, can't even stronger
claims be made for the case that "white people have too much economic and
political power today", or even "white, middle-aged males have too much
economic and political power today"? If you look at the recently published
list of the world's billionaires, you will find that more than 95% of them
are white males. If you look at the most influential world leaders, Bush,
Blair, Sarkozy, Putin, with the exception of Germany's Angela Merkel, it's
pretty much middle-aged white males all the way.
> It could backfire
> again. I am sure that the Jews in pre Nazi Germany were just as
> arrogant and sure of their power and wealth as they are today. None of
> us can see into the future but...
Actually, pre-Nazi Germany, which was saddled with onerous war reparations
consequent to its defeat in WW I, had been plagued by extreme leftist and
extreme rightist political and social instability during the 1920s, had
seen savings and assets wiped out in a devastating hyper-inflation in the
mid 1920s, and savings and assets wiped out yet again consequent to the
1929 stock market crash and world-wide depression, was a country where
*nobody* was arrogantly sure of their wealth and power. The Nazis played
on this insecurity, blaming the Jews for Germany's loss of WW I, the
consequent peace treaty and reparations, the political extremism and
resulting social instability, the hyperinflation, and the 1929 stock
market crash.
It is easy to make such accusations, and easy to get the masses to believe
them. It should be obvious that the Jews could not by themselves be doing
all of these things while constituting less than 1% of the population. As
was the case with everyone else, there were winners and losers. If some
Jews prospered or took heavy losses, so did far more non-Jews.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
TurkeyBoy
<snip>
I snipped most of your response to keep things manageable after
reading all of it. I have to agree with some of it but not all of it.
I confine my response to the last part of your post because that
concerns me a lot.
> It is easy to make such accusations, and easy to get the masses to believe
> them. It should be obvious that the Jews could not by themselves be doing
> all of these things while constituting less than 1% of the population. As
> was the case with everyone else, there were winners and losers. If some
> Jews prospered or took heavy losses, so did far more non-Jews.
Jews constitute a small portion of US population yet they took over
our foreign policy to serve Israel's interests against US interests.
That pisses me off. They got us into this war with Iraq and they are
doing everything to get us into a war with Iran. That is criminal. You
could argue that Jews were not the only reason for the Iraq war but
just like the Jewish Communists, they represent a disproportionate and
very aggressive voice for these wars that benefit Israel and harm
America. Today, Lieberman is the leading advocate for nuking Iran. How
can these people complain about the Nazis killing them 60+ years ago
and want to murder millions today? That bothers me enough to support
anyone who would stop this madness. Do you see the danger in a small
group of people abusing their power? It can only work so long but in
the end, there is always a price to pay.
Tilly
> In regards to the Cramer's post of nearly 3500 words,
>
> > On Jun 16, 12:04 am, "Binyamin Cramer"
> > <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote: "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times,
> > Dec. 3, 1994).
>
> I retained all the phrases that match the ~840 word NYT article of 3
> December, 1994:
>
> "Pelvozh Journal; Cold Reminder of Stalin's Murders Refuses to Fade"
> By MICHAEL SPECTER,
> Published: December 3, 1994, N.Y. Times
>
> and snipped the spurious remainder.
>
> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
> Nothing else remains.
> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>
> Marvin Sebourn
>
>
> .
SNAP.
....and Cramer says he never lies!
ROTFL.
Joe
> On Jun 21, 7:01 am, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I snipped most of your response to keep things manageable after
> reading all of it. I have to agree with some of it but not all of it.
> I confine my response to the last part of your post because that
> concerns me a lot.
>
> > It is easy to make such accusations, and easy to get the masses to believe
> > them. It should be obvious that the Jews could not by themselves be doing
> > all of these things while constituting less than 1% of the population. As
> > was the case with everyone else, there were winners and losers. If some
> > Jews prospered or took heavy losses, so did far more non-Jews.
>
> Jews constitute a small portion of US population yet they took over
> our foreign policy to serve Israel's interests against US interests.
Proof??????????????????????????????????????????
> That pisses me off. They got us into this war with Iraq
Proof?????????????????????????????????????
and they are
> doing everything to get us into a war with Iran.
Proof?????????????????????????????????????????
That is criminal.
LOL! You'll have to arrest and indict most of Congress.
You
> could argue that Jews were not the only reason for the Iraq war but
> just like the Jewish Communists, they represent a disproportionate and
> very aggressive voice for these wars that benefit Israel and harm
> America.
Proof????????????????????????????????????????
Today, Lieberman is the leading advocate for nuking Iran.
Proof?????????????????????????????????
How
> can these people complain about the Nazis killing them 60+ years ago
> and want to murder millions today?
Proof?????????????????????????????????????
You know what they call people who make unproven claims? A LIAR.
Eugene Holman
TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 21, 7:01 am, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I snipped most of your response to keep things manageable after
> reading all of it. I have to agree with some of it but not all of it.
> I confine my response to the last part of your post because that
> concerns me a lot.
>
> > It is easy to make such accusations, and easy to get the masses to believe
> > them. It should be obvious that the Jews could not by themselves be doing
> > all of these things while constituting less than 1% of the population. As
> > was the case with everyone else, there were winners and losers. If some
> > Jews prospered or took heavy losses, so did far more non-Jews.
>
> Jews constitute a small portion of US population yet they took over
> our foreign policy to serve Israel's interests against US interests.
I think that is a vast oversimplification, and I say that as a former
buddy of Paul Wolfowitz - we studied at Cornell University and lived in
the same Telluride Association building in the mid 1960s.
Wolfowitz and many neo-coms who are Jews were arguably important forces
behind the Iraq war. Many Jews, however, also opposed the war.
Additionally, one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the war was none
other than President and Commander in Chief George W. Bush himself. He had
a personal interest in completing the unfinished business of taking out
Saddam Hussein, who had sent a gang of his goons to assassinate President
Bush St., that his father had failed to complete in 1991. You can't pin
the blame for the war solely on "the Jews". Many Jews are pacifists and
oppose[d] it. Many non-Jews, particularly folks working in the oil
industry, would support any scheme that would allow them relatively free
access to Iraq's cosiderable oil reserves.
> That pisses me off. They got us into this war with Iraq and they are
> doing everything to get us into a war with Iran. That is criminal.
Once again, many Jews that I know are frightened to death of the prospect
of a war with Iran because it is almost certain that Israel would be the
battleground. On the other hand, many members of the world community, by
no means all of them Jews, would like to see some robust measures taken
against Iran before it further destabilizes the Middle East by acquiring
nuclear weapons.
> You
> could argue that Jews were not the only reason for the Iraq war but
> just like the Jewish Communists, they represent a disproportionate and
> very aggressive voice for these wars that benefit Israel and harm
> America.
You conveniently neglect that many Jewish orgaizations support peace and
reconciliation in the Middle East, while America's main reason for
supporting Israel is not because it is Jewish, but because it is a
relatively democratic unsinkable aircraft carrier in a notoriously
volatile, undemocratic part of the world.
> Today, Lieberman is the leading advocate for nuking Iran. How
> can these people complain about the Nazis killing them 60+ years ago
> and want to murder millions today?
And how can you be so naive as to think that Lieberman is speaking
primarily for Jewish interests? He is a politician, and the tool of
various organs, including the big money of those who have a vested
interest in continuing to make money off of the Middle East, particularly
arms manufacturers and the oil industry, are the ones whose interests he
is furthering. My American Jewish friends and acquaintances tend to be
more leftist and peace-minded than Lieberman and they hate him.
> That bothers me enough to support
> anyone who would stop this madness. Do you see the danger in a small
> group of people abusing their power? It can only work so long but in
> the end, there is always a price to pay.
I would suggest ceasing to assume that the Jews are a monolithic block and
consider the alternative that money and vested interests, not ethnicity,
are the primary forces determining American foreign policy. These include:
1. the arms industry, that makes money off of fear and the rapid
obsolescence of the armaments they manufacture and sell to allay those
fears;
2. the oil industry, that would like to gain easy access to and control
over as many sources of oil as possible;
3. the American defense department, that will do everything it can to
maintain a good relationship with Israel, not because it is a Jewish state
but rather because it is a developed country that can function as an
unsinkable aircraft carrier and a staging ground to further American
interests in the Middle East;
4. geopoliticians, who are interested in maintaining the status quo and
thus are willing to do anything necessary to prevent Iran from becoming a
nuclear power, which would enable it to emerge as more powerful center for
the spread of conservative Islam to the countries in the region, many of
which play a crucial role in supplying the United States and other western
countries with oil, but, increasingly, regard the lifestyle and values of
the countries that their oil is helping to support as increasingly
decadent and unholy; never forget that most of the 9/11 suicide bombers
were citizens of Saudi Arabia, a country that is supposedly America's
ally, but an increasing number of the citizens of which find the Western
culture offensive and lacking in spirituality;
5. revanchists, who are interested in giving Iran a bloody nose in
retaliation for the humiliations the US suffered as a consequence of the
1979 hostage crisis and the botched attempt to rescue the hostages.
It is, in my humble opinion, extremely naive to reduce all these (and I am
sure there are others) groups to "the Jews", to suppose that the Jews as a
block are the main force determining American Middle East policy, or to
assume that Lieberman is trying to further primarily Jewish interests when
he presents views that are consistent with those held by many segments of
the military-industrial complex, which is not beholden to the Jews but
rather to maximizing the return on investments.
Regards,
Eugene Holman
Binyamin Cramer
"Marvin (osugeography)" <osugeo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1182354307.9...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On checking the article again, cunt, it appears the bibliography has been
all screwed up. Try opening it in HTML so the formatting is retained. OK?
Now fuck orf with your usual b'ullshit, pedantry, and lies.
Binyamin Cramer
"Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f5db6h$8ke$1...@aioe.org...
I don't. twatty.
The original post was posted in HTML. The bibliography has been all screwed
up during the conversion to plain text.
Sara Salzman
> On Jun 20, 10:01 pm, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> > In article <x ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
> >
> > Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > Jewish Communists
> >
> > > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
> >
> > No way.
> >
> > Lenin (n? Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
>
> He had to be at least part Jew.
"Had to be"? Why? There's absolutely no proof.
> >
> > Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
>
> His photo indicates that he was a Jew. Make fun of it if you want but
> it is still better than the Zionist floating definition of Jew.
> >
How does "his photo indicate" that he was a Jew? Is he wearing a
yamulka? Sidelocks? Because otherwise, you are sinking to the lowest
form of anti-Semitism if you are implying that he "looks like a Jew, so
he must be one."
Only a true anti-Semite like Joe Bellinger believes this kind of
silliness, and he ran away from here long ago.
> > Could you post a list of non-Jewish Soviet communists as well? Like
> > Stalin, Malenkov, Molotov, Mikoyan, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Kosygin,
> > Podgorny, Pelshe, Lauristin, Pugo, Snieckus, Chernenko, Savisaar, Yuganov,
> > Shervanadze, and the inimitable Gorbachev?
>
> Assuming that you are correct and not one of these is a Jew but Beria
> is. What does it prove? I do not believe that anyone ever claimed that
> all communists were Jews. The problem is that so many of them were
> Communists that the Germans were rightfully concerned about the Jewish
> Communist threat inside Germany and from the Soviet Union. Jews having
> all the power inside and around Germany plus the power of Jewish money
> squeezed them to the point that they wanted a solution, any solution.
> The Nazis offered a solution and I find it difficult to blame them.
> There are many things I would have done different from the Nazis.
> Killing the Jews would not have been my option but if I were a German,
> I would have stripped them of their power and wealth in Germany. Jews
> have too much economic and political power today. It could backfire
> again. I am sure that the Jews in pre Nazi Germany were just as
> arrogant and sure of their power and wealth as they are today. None of
> us can see into the future but...
>
> Have a nice vegetarian day!
--
Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid.
- Heinrich Heine, eerily summing up the persona of "Ben Cramer"
Mordecai
Sara Salzman wrote:
> In article <1182396900....@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 20, 10:01 pm, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
> > > In article <x ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
> > >
> > > Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> > > > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > > Jewish Communists
> > >
> > > > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
> > >
> > > No way.
> > >
> > > Lenin (n? Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
> >
> > He had to be at least part Jew.
> "Had to be"? Why? There's absolutely no proof.
> > >
> > > Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
> >
> > His photo indicates that he was a Jew. Make fun of it if you want but
> > it is still better than the Zionist floating definition of Jew.
> > >
>
> How does "his photo indicate" that he was a Jew? Is he wearing a
> yamulka? Sidelocks? Because otherwise, you are sinking to the lowest
> form of anti-Semitism if you are implying that he "looks like a Jew, so
> he must be one."
>
> Only a true anti-Semite like Joe Bellinger believes this kind of
> silliness, and he ran away from here long ago.
Nah ... let me explain - you start with the ideas "Jews are bad" ...
Then you find a bad man ...
Then you conclude that this man is a Jew ...thus proving that Jews are bad ...
And then you prove that this man is a Jew because jews are bad and thus this man
who is bad must be a jew.
Once you have the conclusion - you can prove anything you damn well like.
All you have to do is hate, lie and try to deceive others ... and yourself!
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is wrong,
and reality is Never wrong.
Binyamin Cramer
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:catamont-8D0343...@news.giganews.com...
> In article <1182396900....@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> TurkeyBoy <atat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 20, 10:01 pm, hol...@mappi.helsinki.fi (Eugene Holman) wrote:
>> > In article <x ydnWL5XPCobuXbnZ2dnUVZ oGln...@giganews.com>, "Binyamin
>> >
>> > Cramer" <bennielovestr...@alltimes.com> wrote:
>> > > "Joe" <jbr...@indystart.com> wrote in message
>> > >news:1182328032.9...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > > Jewish Communists
>> >
>> > > V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator.
>> >
>> > No way.
>> >
>> > Lenin (n? Ulyanov) was not a Jew.
>>
>> He had to be at least part Jew.
> "Had to be"? Why? There's absolutely no proof.
>> >
>> > Turkeyboy will be disappointed that you did not include Beria.
>>
>> His photo indicates that he was a Jew. Make fun of it if you want but
>> it is still better than the Zionist floating definition of Jew.
>> >
>
> How does "his photo indicate" that he was a Jew?
The schnoz, the shifty eyes, and the rodent like features, hog gal. Dead
giveaway every time.
Binyamin Cramer
"Mordecai" <"mldavis(please dont spam)"@internode.on.net> wrote in message
news:467A7941...@internode.on.net...
That's the yid methodology, Ikey. Perfectly described.
TurkeyBoy
Seems like a convenient way to dismiss all the horrible things Jews
visited on others. From now on, we should not believe when we see on
CNN the horrible things Jews do and just think of your admonition
because all Jews are good and perfect. Anything else is anti-Semitism.
> Once you have the conclusion - you can prove anything you damn well like.
> All you have to do is hate, lie and try to deceive others ... and yourself!
I have never seen any group hate as much and do as much harm to others
as the Jews do but go ahead lie and try to deceive others ... and
yourself!
Have a nice vegetarian day!
RJ11
Binyamin Cramer <bennielo...@alltimes.com> wrote:
> "Tilly" <Til...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f5db6h$8ke$1...@aioe.org...
>> Marvin (osugeography) wrote:
>>> The words of Cramer's post that match the article are "Cold Reminder".
>>> Nothing else remains.
>>> Cramer's accuracy: Two words of 3,440.
>> ....and Cramer says he never lies!
> I don't. twatty.
Sure you do, doper. As everyone can check by looking at the
NY Times article.
Give it up. Even the rest of the nazi crew, such as "floresrikitic",
admit that the article which you asserted is from the NYT, never
appeared there.
You're a liar. Case closed.
RJ.
Alan on a cloud
(...)
Do you know anything about the Turkey processing plant in Broomfield CO?
Michael Martin-Smith
policies killed more people than all the Soviets, Jewish or Gentile - put
together.
If of course someone here knows that Mao was a Jew, I would be intrigued to
know how this has escaped antisemitic notice for so long... Beria was indeed
a Mingrelian Georgian, and so about as Jewish as Kublai Khan, Elagabalus, or
Yikin Can Kawil ( oh dear,were they Jews , too?)
"Sara Salzman" <cata...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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Mordecai
TurkeyBoy wrote:
Ah - you have proved this man was a jew because .... Jews spread hate and do horrible
things ...
Oh? I am sure i have heard that before ... now where did I hear this?
Ummm ... Oh THERE it is ... what I accused you of doing ... and what you have just
done.
Really, there is no need to confirm what I said about you ... in such graphic detail.
Indeed we did know already.
And I do not need to convince others - they have stated this self evident fact many
times to your face ...
So now we are all in agreement - the jews, the gentiles and yourself ...
The jews and the gentiles *say* the same things - and *your deeds* say the same things
...
Isn't it nice to reach agreement.
TurkeyBoy
> In article <1182396900.633477.59...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
> (...)
>
> Do you know anything about the Turkey processing plant in Broomfield CO?
They are all bad and the sanitary conditions are deplorable. Eat
vegetarian and stay healty!