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NAZIHUNTER

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Jan 14, 2001, 9:07:42 AM1/14/01
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david_michael

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Jan 14, 2001, 9:27:45 AM1/14/01
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NAZIHUNTER <mar...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
>
>
> RING!!!! RING!!!1


And 20 minutes later . . . 'the web page cannot be displayed' . ..

David


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G'kar

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Jan 14, 2001, 12:17:26 PM1/14/01
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In article <3a61b...@news.newsfeeds.com>,

"david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> NAZIHUNTER <mar...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> > HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
> >
> >
> > RING!!!! RING!!!1
>
> And 20 minutes later . . . 'the web page cannot be displayed' . ..
>
> David

Nor does www.yoderanium.com respond.

David Michael, doesn't the Nazihunter you replied to here, using a
Netcom address and IP look a LOT more like the real Nazihunter than the
posts appearing under the No User anonymized address?

--
G'Quon wrote, There is a greater darkness
than the one we fight. It is the darkness
of the soul that has lost its way.


Sent via Deja.com
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david_michael

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Jan 14, 2001, 1:29:49 PM1/14/01
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G'kar <g_kar_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:93smv2$krc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

> In article <3a61b...@news.newsfeeds.com>,
> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> >
> > NAZIHUNTER <mar...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> > news:Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> > > HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
> > >
> > >
> > > RING!!!! RING!!!1
> >
> > And 20 minutes later . . . 'the web page cannot be displayed' . ..
> >
> > David
>
> Nor does www.yoderanium.com respond.
>
> David Michael, doesn't the Nazihunter you replied to here, using a
> Netcom address and IP look a LOT more like the real Nazihunter than the
> posts appearing under the No User anonymized address?

Yes, although anyone with a degree of intelligence and know-how and patience
(the latter requirement excluding me!) can imitate pretty much anyone.

The way to squash the real Nazihunter once and for all would be for someone
with sufficient patience to bring an action against Netcom in a Canadian
court.

Doktor Tavische

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:22:17 PM1/14/01
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:29:49 -0000, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

>
>G'kar <g_kar_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:93smv2$krc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <3a61b...@news.newsfeeds.com>,
>> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > NAZIHUNTER <mar...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
>> > > HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > RING!!!! RING!!!1
>> >
>> > And 20 minutes later . . . 'the web page cannot be displayed' . ..
>> >
>> > David
>>
>> Nor does www.yoderanium.com respond.
>>
>> David Michael, doesn't the Nazihunter you replied to here, using a
>> Netcom address and IP look a LOT more like the real Nazihunter than the
>> posts appearing under the No User anonymized address?
>
>Yes, although anyone with a degree of intelligence and know-how and patience
>(the latter requirement excluding me!) can imitate pretty much anyone.
>
>The way to squash the real Nazihunter once and for all would be for someone
>with sufficient patience to bring an action against Netcom in a Canadian
>court.
>
>David

I am still working on it. I am putting a higher priority on dealing with
the bastard's source of information from Allentown.

BTW Nazihunter called me twice yesterday and he still sounds sissyboy
effeminate.

Doc Tavish

david_michael

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:38:45 PM1/14/01
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Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:n3v36t462vfaa6tpi...@4ax.com...

Yes -- I'll try and get the papers in the post within the next week to get
things moving on that front again. I'm hellish busy at the moment but it'll
get done.

> BTW Nazihunter called me twice yesterday and he still sounds sissyboy
> effeminate.

Heh, yes -- he probably gets kicks out of making obscene telephone calls to
males.

> Doc Tavish

Doktor Tavische

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:44:22 PM1/14/01
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>> Doc Tavish

>David

I just sent this to NETCOM and my attorney.

<START>

CC: dle...@NETCOM.CA Netcom Coordinator -- Daniel Leger

MY ATTORNEY'S NAME,
Please Subpoena Netcom to Get This Person's Identity! Perhaps if
my local police can finally have an identity to work on they can stop the
little bastard from harassing me! He called twice yesterday and I am tired
of putting up with it. I could care less about knowing who he is. If you
get his identity then I will have the police contact you and everything
will be official and legal!
The FBI as well as the telephone company have traced the
harassment and death threat calls to Toronto but this criminal is using
some sort of call FWDing and is escaping capture. My local police are the
go betweens between the FBI and me. Please help me put a stop to this
criminal activity!

Path:
news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!
tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: YODERANIUM STILL UP
From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:07:42 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.154.136.119
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 979481262 142.154.136.119
(Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT
Xref: news.flash.net alt.revisionism:777563

HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER


RING!!!! RING!!!

~~END~~

Here are critical contacts:

Trying 207.181.101 at ARIN
Netcom Canada Inc. (NETBLK-NETCOM-CA-BLK1)
905 King Street West
Toronto ON, 3G9
CA

Netname: NETCOM-CA-BLK1
Netblock: 207.181.64.0 - 207.181.127.255
Maintainer: NCCA

Coordinator:
Leger, Daniel (LD-ORG-ARIN) dle...@NETCOM.CA
416-341-5755
Fax- 416-341-5725

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

TOR-NS1.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.4
TOR-NS2.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.5

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 02-Mar-1999.
Database last updated on 13-Jan-2001 18:21:34 EDT.

~~END~~

The above information was rendered from a WHO IS search on the
tor-nn1.netcom.ca from the header line:
"X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 979481262 142.154.136.119"

You have the power and the legal authority to have this little
bastard stopped! I am tired of the death threats, I am tired of
the late night calls, and I am tired of having my phone number
changed and him some how hacking the phone company and getting it.
I want to have criminal charges filed against this bastard!

Scott Bradbury

<STOP>

david_michael

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:54:37 PM1/14/01
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Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:09046to3egtbl0i1m...@4ax.com...

If you really want to get some action from Netcom, don't contact them
directly yourself. You'll be wasting your energy. Get your lawyer to
initiate proceedings. Then they'll sing. That'll give you cast-iron proof of
the identity of the gentleman concerned. Then you can either commence legal
proceedings against him or plaster his name and address all over the
Internet so that his victims can turn up on his doorstep.

Doktor Tavische

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Jan 14, 2001, 3:13:47 PM1/14/01
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:54:37 -0000, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

>
>Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

>news:09046to3egtbl0i1m...@4ax.com...

[...]

They got a CC of the letter I wrote my attorney.

>You'll be wasting your energy. Get your lawyer to initiate proceedings.
>Then they'll sing. That'll give you cast-iron proof of the identity of
>the gentleman concerned.

>Then you can either commence legal proceedings against him or plaster
>his name and address all over the Internet so that his victims can turn
>up on his doorstep.

I'll do both! :->

Doc Tavish
>David

Joel Rosenberg

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Jan 14, 2001, 4:25:17 PM1/14/01
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Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> writes:

Whining, while certainly you, is hardly "putting a higher priority" on
anything.

Doktor Tavische

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Jan 14, 2001, 11:53:42 PM1/14/01
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:29:49 -0000, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

>G'kar <g_kar_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>news:93smv2$krc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <3a61b...@news.newsfeeds.com>,
>> "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > NAZIHUNTER <mar...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
>> > > HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > RING!!!! RING!!!1

>> > And 20 minutes later . . . 'the web page cannot be displayed' . ..
>> >
>> > David

>> Nor does www.yoderanium.com respond.
>>
>> David Michael, doesn't the Nazihunter you replied to here, using a
>> Netcom address and IP look a LOT more like the real Nazihunter than the
>> posts appearing under the No User anonymized address?

>Yes, although anyone with a degree of intelligence and know-how and patience
>(the latter requirement excluding me!) can imitate pretty much anyone.

One can hardly imitate the local Toronto dialup Nazihunter uses!

>The way to squash the real Nazihunter once and for all would be for someone
>with sufficient patience to bring an action against Netcom in a Canadian
>court.
>
>David

I am going to contact the R.C.M.P. and send them copies of Nazihunter's
posts as well as sound files where he calls my residence and makes death
threats. With the combined intelligence of traceable ISPs, Nazihunter's
public admission that he engages in illegal activity, his audio and his
posts I don't see why R.C.M.P. can't put an end to his harassment against
me as well as the harassment of others.

LOOK!

Here is Nazihunter's public admission that he engages in illegal activity:

http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=648456167&fmt=text
From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Subject: FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY WONDER...
Date: 20 Jul 2000 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <96406105...@Virginia.BMTS.Com>
Cache-Post-Path: Virginia.BMTS.Com!unk...@ts6-ap20.bmts.com
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 964061384 216.183.128.12 (Wed, 19 Jul 2000
22:49:44 EDT)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/)
MIME-Version: 1.0
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:49:44 EDT
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism

THE FUN OF POSTING USING TRACEABLE ISPS AS WELL AS THE ANONYMOUS ONES IS
WATCHING MISANTHROPIC TURDS LIKE SCOTTIE POUNCE ON SIMILARITIES AND THEN
SEND OUTRAGED EMAIL TO THE TRACEABLE ISP....OF COURSE, I NEVER EVER
CONDUCT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY ON THE TRACEABLE ISP....OF COURSE THE ISP MANAGER
IS ONLY INTERESTED IN THE CONDUCT ON HIS ISP....AND THOSE CONNECTIONS
JUST DON'T QUITE MAKE IT, DO THEY?

STILL...I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO KEEP TRYING.

AT LEAST IT KEEPS YOU OFF THE STREET

~~End of DejaCom Archive~~

I have this latest ISP contact to start from:

Path:
news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!
tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: YODERANIUM STILL UP
From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII
Lines: 5
Message-ID: <Ooi86.3167$Oe.1...@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 14:07:42 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.154.136.119
X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 979481262 142.154.136.119
(Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:07:42 EDT

HTTP://MEMBERS.YODERANIUM.COM/NAZIHUNTER

RING!!!! RING!!!

~~END~~

Here are critical contacts:

Trying 207.181.101 at ARIN
Netcom Canada Inc. (NETBLK-NETCOM-CA-BLK1)
905 King Street West
Toronto ON, 3G9
CA

Netname: NETCOM-CA-BLK1
Netblock: 207.181.64.0 - 207.181.127.255
Maintainer: NCCA

Coordinator:
Leger, Daniel (LD-ORG-ARIN) dle...@NETCOM.CA
416-341-5755
Fax- 416-341-5725

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

TOR-NS1.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.4
TOR-NS2.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.5

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Record last updated on 02-Mar-1999.
Database last updated on 13-Jan-2001 18:21:34 EDT.

<END>

I have attached Nazihunter aka Marduk's death threat call to this post
which will be submitted to prove that he has used wire communications to
my residence to make death threats. This should get the local phone
company for Marduk involved in prosecution seeing how I have all the dates
he's been traced and his activity should show up on his telephone company
logs. He's used some sort of call FWDing but this should show on the phone
company logs!

R.C.M.P Contact Info:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/contact/index_e.htm

RCMP - NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS
1200 Vanier Parkway
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0R2
Telephone: (613) 993-RCMP 7267
Fax : (613) 993-0260

RCMP - CENTRAL REGION
155 McArthur Avenue
Room C323, Leomont Building
Vanier, Ontario K1A 0R4
Telephone: (613) 993-0403
FAX:(613) 993-5777

GREATER TORONTO AREA RCMP -- http://www.rcmp-grc.org/

I do think R.C.M.P. will investigate!

Here is the criminal's local telephone company:

http://www.bell.ca/EN/home.asp
Feel free to Contact Us by email at bell....@bell.ca, OR,
Call 310-Bell (310-2355) (NO CHARGE) and we will be delighted
to provide assistance.

Office of the Manager,
P.O. Box 920, Station A,
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1G5

Nazihunter's criminal spree should be close to an end if the people above
are serious about law enforcement and their facilities being used for
death threats and other criminal harassment! I've had enough and if the
above can't put an end to it then it is private investigator time!
Enough is enough!

Doc Tavish


Doktor Tavische

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Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all things
Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

CSMS Programmes
... January 15, 1997. Ashur And Marduk: The State Gods of Assyria and
Babylonia. ... in the Neo-Babylonian Period Chair: Professor Grant Frame
(Toronto) Programme: ...
www.chass.utoronto.ca/nmc/rim/csmsprogram.html

CSMS Previous Bulletins
... Neighbour's God: Ashur in Babylonia and Marduk in Assyria,"
5&endash;22 Harrak ... 11, 2000. For further information, Grant Frame at
gfr...@chass.utoronto.ca
www.chass.utoronto.ca/nmc/rim/previouscsmsbulletin.html

TAHARKA (TAHARQA), ägyptischer Pharao
... Babylonien entgegenzutreten, dessen früherer König Marduk-apal-iddin
(Merodach-baladan ... sixth Dynasties, ebd. 677-747; - Grant Frame,
Babylonia 689-627 BC ...
www.bautz.de/bbkl/t/taharka.shtml

U. of T. The Bulletin, Dec. 9/96, Events
... 4:30 to 6 pm International Studies Ashur and Marduk: The State Gods of
Assyria and Babylonia. Wednesday, January 15 Prof. Grant Frame, Near and
Middle Eastern ...
www.library.utoronto.ca/bulletin/jan6_97/events.htm

Also see:
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/nmc/faculty.htm
THE DEPARTMENT OF
NEAR AND MIDDLE EASTERN CIVILIZATIONS
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO
--------------------------------------
FACULTY PROFILES AND
CONTACT INFORMATION
--------------------------------------
FRAME, G.
Room 406, 4 Bancroft Avenue - 978-4790
Assyro-Babylonian language and history & Mesopotamian archaeology
gfr...@chass.utoronto.ca

[...]

ONLY ONE NAME FITS THE CRITERIA OUT OF ALL GIVEN AND JOHN MORRIS DID SAY:
http://x54.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=627103457
Subject: Re: Just a Little Bit of Info on Nazihunter
Date: 05/25/2000
Author: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

In <392c73dd....@news.flash.net> in alt.revisionism, on Thu, 25 May
2000 00:41:39 GMT, doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com (Doc Tavish) wrote:

>On 24 May 2000 23:23:03 GMT, curiousg...@aol.com
>(CuriousGeorge613) wrote:

>>I hate to say it, but I concur that Nazihunter is Marduk, though I
>>don't know who either one of those two people are in "real life."

>>As for John Morris, how would he know about Assyriologists at U.
>>Toronto? He's three (four?) provinces away in the world's
>>second-largest country.

>The faculty directory is at the U of T website.

And the fact that I used attend the University of Toronto.

>All public domain and available here:

>http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/nmc/faculty.htm#top

>THE DEPARTMENT OF NEAR AND MIDDLE EASTERN
>CIVILIZATIONS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO

Yadda yadda. Now, ancient Sumerian and Babylonian are closely
related fields and both part of Assyriology. Plus Nazihunter claimed to
have knowledge of arceheology. (What does the faculty info say above that
I provided John? Doc Tavish Comment Jan 15, 2001) But as I say, the
knowledge he demonstrated in Usenet posts could have come from an
undergraduate reading list. There is no firm indication that was indeed a
professor of anything....

~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~

Also see:

http://x68.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=626915596
Subject: Just a Little Bit of Info on Nazihunter
Date: 05/24/2000
Author: Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com>

http://x68.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=624601852
Subject: "Nazihunter" Thank You For Linking Yourself to Four
Death Threat Telephone Calls! aka Re: fun with scottie
Date: 05/17/2000
Author: Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com>

http://x65.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=629689984
Subject: Re: HEY SCOTTIE
Date: 06/01/2000
Author: Doc Tavish <doc_t...@NOSPAMmy-deja.com>
(Quoted in full here and this post is supplemental to the audio file I
just posted [January 15, 2001] in the subject titled: "Attention: David E.
Michael Re: YODERANIUM STILL UP - Nazihunter .ra (0/1)")

On Tue, 30 May 2000 23:30:00 +0200, Anonymous <nob...@remailer.privacy.at>
wrote:

>HOW IS YOUR TRACE WORKING OUT?

I've already "resolved" the three non-anonymous ISPs you've used and they
all reign from Toronto Ontario Canada.

>YOU FUCKING NAZI WELFARE CHEAT

I have not taken one cent in welfare during my whole disability. It is
insurance that I've paid for in all my years of working.

>CALL XXX- XXX-XXXX AND WISH SCOTTIE GOOD LUCK WITH DET. HUBER..
>
>
>OH YEAH....
>
>MARDUK at netcom.ca says hi
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAH

I turned the following info over to Roy Huber just the other day and BTW
he took offense with your disrespect towards him. Three ISPs and three
traceable Message IDs. Won't be long asswipe!

Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!howland.erols.net!
news3.bellglobal.com.MISMATCH!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!
news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: BURN BABY BURN!!!!!!
From: mar...@assyria.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: 3 Of 4


X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)

References: <392DBF...@connect.ab.ca>
<392DC060...@erols.com> <392DC7...@connect.ab.ca>

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII

Lines: 39
Message-ID: <CakX4.168750$so1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:10:58 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.228.87.182
X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 959303458 64.228.87.182
(Thu, 25 May 2000 21:10:58 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 21:10:58 EDT
Xref: news.flash.net alt.revisionism:677696

[...]

~~END~~

In the above example we get the following info from the headers using Sam
Spade:

Trying 207.61.73 (bellglobal.com) at ARIN
WorldLinx Telecommunications, Inc. (NETBLK-WORLDLINX-BLK) WORLDLINX01
207.61.0.0 - 207.61.255.0
Toronto School of Business (NET-TSB-CA) TSB-CA 207.61.73.0

The NNTP Posting Host: 64.228.87.182
renders as:
nslookup 64.228.87.182
Canonical name: HSE-Toronto-ppp135667.sympatico.ca
Addresses: 64.228.87.182

Remember the post has a traceable legitimate Message ID of:
<CakX4.168750$so1.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!
tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: EEEEK!!! NOW I AM REALLY SCARED (snicker)


From: mar...@netcom.com (NAZIHUNTER)
Organization: Assyrians R Us
X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII

Lines: 13
Message-ID: <YhsX4.1919$qS3....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:24:56 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.108.104
X-Complaints-To: ab...@netcom.ca
X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 959336696 207.181.108.104
(Fri, 26 May 2000 06:24:56 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 06:24:56 EDT
Xref: news.flash.net alt.revisionism:677832

It seems that the intrepid sleuth and modern-day Jalbert, John Morris, has
decided to consult with that major figure in the world of cyber-policing,
Detective Hubert of the world-famous Belville police department.

With these two great forensic minds working together, I guess my days are
numbered.

Oh yes...Bruno will be the liason between the two.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!

I am SOOOOOOOOO scared.

~~END~~

In the above example we get the following info from the headers using Sam
Spade:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.181.108.104
resolves as:

Trying 207.181.108 at ARIN


Netcom Canada Inc. (NETBLK-NETCOM-CA-BLK1)
905 King Street West
Toronto ON, 3G9
CA

Netname: NETCOM-CA-BLK1
Netblock: 207.181.64.0 - 207.181.127.255
Maintainer: NCCA

Coordinator:
Leger, Daniel (LD-ORG-ARIN) dle...@NETCOM.CA
416-341-5755
Fax- 416-341-5725

Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

TOR-NS1.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.4
TOR-NS2.NETCOM.CA 207.181.101.5

ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

Remember the post has a traceable legitimate Message ID of:
<YhsX4.1919$qS3....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>

The "tor" in the message id above obviously stands for Toronto!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Path: news.flash.net!nntp.flash.net!howland.erols.net!
cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!
newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!
news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: z
From: mar...@idirect.com (marduk)
Organization: Babylonians R Us


X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit)
MIME-Version: 1.0
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Lines: 2
Message-ID: <UnWX4.106733$55.23...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com> Date: Sat, 27
May 2000 20:39:16 GMT
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.129.115
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net
X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 959459956 24.112.129.115
(Sat, 27 May 2000 13:39:16 PDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:39:16 PDT
Xref: news.flash.net alt.revisionism:678095

z

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In the above example we get the following info from the headers using Sam
Spade:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.129.115
resolves as:
Trying 24.112.129 at ARIN
Rogers@Home Ontario (NETBLK-ROGERS-1-BLOCK) ROGERS-1-BLOCK
24.112.0.0 - 24.112.255.255
Rogers@Home (NETBLK-ON-ROG-YEC-2) ON-ROG-YEC-2 24.112.128.0 -
24.112.129.255

Remember the post has a traceable legitimate Message ID of:
<UnWX4.106733$55.23...@news2.rdc1.on.home.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Notice that "Nazihunter" used his old e-mail address of
<mar...@idirect.com>

idirect.com resolves as:

Trying 207.136.80 at ARIN
Internet Direct Canada (NETBLK-IDIRECT-BLK2)
5415 Dundas Street West, Suite 301
Toronto, ON M9B 1B5
CA

Netname: IDIRECT-BLK2
Netblock: 207.136.64.0 - 207.136.127.255
Maintainer: IDCA

Coordinator:
Internet Direct Canada Inc. (NO5-ORG-ARIN) ab...@IDIRECT.COM
+1 (416) 233-7150



Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

NS.IDIRECT.COM 199.166.254.254
NS2.IDIRECT.COM 199.166.254.4



ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE

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>MIME-Version: 1.0
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Definitely a Toronto dialup!

Some extra findings:

http://codoh.org/bbs/messages/1801.html

Posted by Neugeboren on June 25, 2000 at 21:14:14:

In Reply to: Re: Speaking of Treaties posted by Andrew E. Mathis, Ph.D. on
June 25, 2000 at 20:58:09:

: As to my degree, I've earned it, and I will use it as I see fit. I
: do not take orders on how I label myself, particularly from
: revisionists.

: Finally, who or what is a "nazihunter"?

Thanks for the full disclosure about your phone call to Matt Giwer's
father. That at least I can respect, but the reasoning behind it is still
weird. I hope you realize that when you get to the point that you are
calling people up because of what transpires in Usenet you are frankly
engaging in sociopathic behavior that is potentially quite dangerous. It's
rather like stalking. I wouldn't get into a pissing contest about which is
more "shameful", because I wouldn't want to compound your shame,
especially since you have come clean. But when you can tell me how many
people got phone calls from Matt Giwer we can talk about that.

[...]

BTW, Nazihunter as you may know is a crank from alt.revisionism who is
supposed to be an academic. He's the one who started the death threats and
postings of personal information that has turned that site into a cesspit
of pending litigation. I wouldn't advise anyone to post there, unless they
want to get sued. Please note further that that terminal ugliness came
from the anti-revisionist side, from individuals in other words who
obsessed about posters whose opinions they could not abide until they got
to the point that they started "investigating" them. Sort of like phone
calls, if you know what I mean.

But as long as you can stay loose I am sure you can contribute something
positive here. You certainly have demonstrated some character.

Now -- just what is that you wanted to contribute to this discussion?


John Morris

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on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
<NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

[snip]

>Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
>things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.

[snip]

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Jan 15, 2001, 3:41:15 AM1/15/01
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:42:16 GMT, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
wrote:

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>In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
><NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
>>things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

>Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.

All evidence points toward him. He's the only professor at U of T who fits
the criteria. I's imagine that R.C.M.P. will find out soon enough once I
start the machine turning! Care to identify the real Nazihunter if you
think otherwise?!

Remember posting this?

http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=647264390
Subject: Re: Tavish adopts a new nym
Date: 07/17/2000
Author: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

In <bri4ns8adgvhsv2b9...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism, on
Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:28:06 -0700, Hilary Ostrov
<hos...@uniserve.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:49:00 GMT, in
><u2dp92...@localhost.localdomain>, John Morris
><john....@ualberta.ca> wrote:

>>Hilary Ostrov <hos...@uniserve.com> writes:

>>[snip]

>>> Which does not contain any explanation as to how the nh/nf
>>> persona accomplished the remarkable feat of "countering" a
>>> Bradbury post a full hour and forty minutes before he made it.
>>> Hey, Bradbury, you've already struck out! Why are you still
>>> running away from your very own words?

>>> [...]

>>> >>>>He'd probably make an excellent *revisionist* scholar: one
>>> >>>>often learns so much more from that which they choose *not*
>>> >>>>to address, than from that which they do.

>>Is that like when Hilary has to invent an accomplice to account for
>>the fact that Nazihunter's attacks originate from a cable modem
>>account in Toronto?

>Well, I am not The Great Infallible John Morris, but I would say
>that it is more like when TGIJM decides that it is unnecessary to
>address any questions that he has deemed are irrelevant to one of
>his pet
>theories. But that aside ....

>Perhaps TGIJM would be kind enough to tell us why he has chosen to
>construe a not unreasonable question as a de facto "invention".

The reason is very simple. If you have no evidence to support the
existence of the accomplice, then he is a mere _post hoc_ conjecture to
support your theory that Scott Bradbury posts as Nazihunter.

>Perhaps he would also be kind enough to tell us how he has
>determined that *all* the nh/nf posts and forge cancels "originate
>from a cable modem account in Toronto". Failing that, perhaps he
>could share with us the secret of determining which posts are
>"genuine bona fide nh/nf posts" and which are not.

But I don't have to prove that all of them originate from home.com in
Toronto. By showing that some of them originate from someone who could
not be Bradbury himself, I merely show that not all current Nazihunter
posts originate from Bradbury.

To accommodate that evidence, you have to conjecture an entity, the
accomplice, for whose existence you have no evidence. You see, you have
not yet proved that posts from Toronto came from an accomplice. The
explanation of the accomplice could be accommodated to explain an anomaly
if you had already strong evidence that Bradbury posts as Nazihunter. But
you don't have such evidence.

I, on the other, have loads of evidence that someone from Toronto posted
as Nazihunter up to January 1999. After that, he disappears into total
anonymity. For the purposes of proving that Bradbury posts as Nazihunter,
those posts are as useless to you as they are to me.

Except that now I look again with a more experienced eye, some of those
anonymous services he used were not very anonymous at all. Some of them
have Toronto IP numbers.

>>Is that like when Hilary doesn't attempt to account for why this
>>Toronto accomplice has no other discernible existence in Usenet?

>Well, if Hilary understood what exactly TGIJM deems to constitute
>"discernible existence in Usenet" she would be very happy to attempt
>to account for it.

I'll broaden it. Produce any evidence at all that Scott Bradbury has an
accomplice in Toronto.

> That aside, I find it unfortunate that TGIJM has
>jumped to the conclusion that the postulation of any questions or
><gasp> alternative hypothesis - which does not confirm his pet
>theory - is beneath consideration.

I don't mind alternative hypotheses. What I don't like are alternate
whose evidence falls apart on the first challenge.

>>Is that like when Hilary doesn't attempt to explain why this
>>Toronto accomplice has has made harassing telephone calls to Matt
>>Giwer,

>Which, AFAIK, preceded the subsequent ones by TWO YEARS and was made
>by a then known "discernible" entity who had called himself "marduk"
>and who was posting via a dialup @idirect.com (or .ca) Do correct
>me if I'm wrong.

Correct. Marduk's harassment of Giwer occurred two years or more ago.

>>Anthony Sabatini, Ed Kadach, Al Baron, Istvan Lippai, and Scott
>>Bradbury over the past four years?

>All of which were allegedly made during the past *two* years.

But the harassment activities by Marduk go back to 1996 in
soc.culture.jewish and sci.anthropology.

> And not
>one of which - to the best of my knowledge - has ever been
>independently confirmed.

Are you questioning my independence?

Do you think I'm in cahoots with racists, or is it just that I am their
useful idiot?

> Nor to the best of my knowledge has there
>ever been any indication that these five "discernible* entities can
>be reliably taken at their word.

Based upon details they revealed to me in private e-mail about the calls,
including call trace information, I vouch for them.

>If I'm not mistaken, TGIJM has indicated that he does take the
>allegations made by these five "victims" at their face value, in
>part (if not in toto):

>a) because the phone calls have been echoed (and/or preceded) by
>postings to usenet containing similar content (and/or addresses and
>phone numbers of the "victims"); and

>b) because their descriptions to him of a "voice" all happened to
>coincide

Given that some of them also provide call trace information, why is this
not reasonably reliable evidence that they are telling the truth about
receiving phone calls?

>I would be interested in knowing your theory regarding why none of
>these "victims" has ever launched a complaint - or taken you up on
>the terms of your offer of assistance to the appropriate
>authorities.

Some of them gave reasons. Some of them are just jerks.

Since Ed Kadach sometimes posts here, I should point out that he gave a
reason. So did Sabatini.

>>What is Hilary not talking about? Why doesn't Hilary want to talk
>>about the e-mail I received from this Toronto accomplice telling me
>>to lay off because he was a major donor to the Nizkor Project?

>Hey, if you want to talk about it, sure ... let's do that! Hilary is
>not aware of any e-mail TGIJM might have received from anyone's
>"accomplice" anywhere. She is, however, aware of an e-mail he
>posted that had been sent to him by <mar...@netcom.ca> - in
>December, 1996. Two years before any of the above noted alleged
>"attacks".

Actually, eight months after:

<quote>
From: mar...@idirect.com (marduk)
Subject: Are You Really as Slug-Like as Your Picture Suggests? Date:
20 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: glimpsenet9.idirect.com

alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.society.civil-liberties,can.politic s

Well....as I was perusing your extremely funny web-site, I
came across a photo of yourself. Unfortunately, I was drinking a diet
pepsi at the time, and when I was confronted by your
incredibly ugly face, I spewed all over my screen...

My God man!!!! Where is your sense of public service? The least you
can do is warn people....

Anyways...on to matters nazi and such-like: as a confirmed nazi pig,
you no doubt subscribe to the doctrine of eugenetics. That being the
case, why did you feel justified in procreating? Your son's photo
indicates that he has inherited many of your
slug-like features, so don't you feel that you have rather let the
Aryan side down?

Oh by the way...why have you disconnected your phone number? We had
some awefully funny things to say to you...OINK, OINK.

WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE WE
WE
</quote>

And not just in alt.revisionism:

<quote>
From: mar...@idirect.com (marduk)
Subject: Re: C'MON HARVEY...DOES LISA PAY YOU FOR THIS NONSENSE? Date:
01 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet15.idirect.com
newsgroups: sci.archaeology,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish

In article <lisa.1804...@interport.net>, li...@interport.net
says...

[To Lisa Aaronson]

>Pretty words from someone who make crank calls.

>>Herr Doktor Professor Marduk (DINGIR.AMAR.UTU)

>Lisa

Lets see if I understand this....You are accusing me of making long
distance crank phone calls to you? Hmmmm...it seems that
even (or perhaps especially) frummie women can succumb to
paranoid fantasies... Just out of curiosity, exactly how do you think
I would be able to ascertain your phone number, let alone your location?
And why would I waste money on the likes of you? </quote>

And let's not forget the famous web pages dedicated to the victims:

<quote>
From: mar...@netcom.ca (marduk)
Subject: COMING SOON: THE GIWER -SWINE PAGE
Date: 23 Aug 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <4vlg4c$4...@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca>
newsgroups: alt.revisionism

Just a short notice announcing the imminent unveiling of
the Giwer-Swine Home Page, a graphic compendium of the more,
hmmmm, shall we say, piggish characteristics of the Giwer-Swine
entity.
</quote>

In 1996, we also get the first appearance of Nazihunter also posting from
idirect.ca just like Lisa Aaronson's and Matt Giwer's harasser. And what
does he do? He posts addresses:

<quote>
From: We'llfi...@anywhere.com (NaziHunter)
Subject: TO K...@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU, WHO THINKS JEWS ARE OBNOXIOUS Date:
23 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: havocnet3.idirect.com
newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish

Hey Karl, or should I say Kevin, so you think jews are obnoxious?
Well, then, you're gonna LOVE this:

We got some of your personal information here, and we encourage all
the obnoxious jews out there on the internet to contact you and your
employer, the University of Texas, and ask them how
they feel about having a racist anti-semite on their faculty

k...@mail.utexas.edu is actually:

Kevin J. Hannan
Lecturer Ph.D.
Department of Slavic Languages (like, i'm sooooo surprised)
Campus Mail Code #3600
Univeristy of TExas
Austin, Texas, 78712
512-471-3607
</quote>

>Hilary is also aware of some obscure but extant posts which would
>probably reinforce the impression anyone might have formed that
>"nazihunter/2000=marduk/1996". For the record, Hilary finds this to
>be a somewhat tenous link at best.

Hilary would. But Hilary believes that a timestamp anomaly and
conjectured accomplice constitute convincing evidence.

Oh, sorry, I don't mean to mischaracterize your evidence. There are also
the coincidences, and Bradbury's inability to explain anomalies.

Speaking of coincidences, since you are so big on them, here is the
remarkable coincidence you like to dismiss:

<quote>
From: mar...@idirect.com (marduk)
Subject: test
Date: 20 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet7.idirect.com
newsgroups: alt.what.the.hell

test
</quote>

<quote>
From: We'llfi...@anywhere.com (NaziHunter)
Subject: Re: test
Date: 23 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>
x-nntp-posting-host: hopenet13.idirect.com
reply-to: ma...@bisher.com
newsgroups: alt.what.the.hell

In article <ragnaroek1996Ma...@news2.compulink.com>,
mar...@idirect.com says...
>
>test
>
teststststst
</quote>

>It is certainly not sufficiently
>strong to be bandying about the names of uninvolved third parties.

So you say.

>>I'll tell you my take on it. Ken is not responsible for the
>>actions of his donors undertaken after the donations were made nor
>>is he
>>responsible to me or anyone else to risk the donor's safety by
>>making his name public. And as Ken himself would say, the
>>independent
>>actions of his donors have no bearing on the truth of the material
>>archived on his website.

>Quite so. But why do you choose to omit the fact that Ken has also
>stated quite clearly that he will disclose any information he might
>have if and/when he is approached by the appropriate authorities?

Good. I would expect no less.

> How
>does his apparent discounting of TGIJM as an "appropriate authority"
>have any bearing on anything?

Learn to read. I said he is not responsible to me:

". . . nor is he responsible to me or anyone else to risk the donor's
safety by making his name public."

>>On the other hand, if one were to consider if there were
>>ideological interests served by inventing a pseudohistory of a
>>Toronto accomplice,

>Who has invented a "pseudohistory" regarding this matter?

You. So far as I can tell, your "Bradbury is sometimes Nazihunter"
hypothesis has been invented out of whole cloth.

But why? If you aren't trying to obscure the issue on Ken's behalf?

Do you need to invent a tale in order to completely destroy your
opponents?

Do you need to shift all of the harassment activity to the "enemy"?

Or is there some reason you might wish to destroy Yale's lawsuit?

Please feel free to offer your own explanation.

> And while
>we are on the subject of "pseudohistory", I don't know the source of
>your disinformation pertaining to Nizkor donors in your Dec. 15
>post, but whoever it is has conflated and mischaracterized whatever
>information they think they might have. If you wish to discuss this
>point, feel free to e-mail me.

No. Let's discuss it here.

The source is me. Don't forget, I used to be subscribed to Nizkor mailing
lists. If I've conflated or mischaracterized information, please advise
me.

>>one would immediately think back to the discussion this past
>>January, and it would not be difficult to see what interests are
>>served by
>>obscuring Ken McVay's role in publishing Scott Bradbury's home
>>address and telephone by posting it to the Nizkor website.

>I believe the discussion you speak of took place in December.
>Obscuring Ken's role? Why would you say that, John? Ken readily
>admitted he had placed the information on Nizkor, realized and
>(unlike some) publicly acknowledged his error.

And lied about how long it was there. And tried to implicate Gord McFee
as the source of the first web access. You know: company
headquarters in Ottawa--oooooops--trace goes to Toronto?

> Frankly, I don't think anyone's
>interests have been served by this.

Someone's interests are always served. What is your interest in trying to
make Bradbury into a sometimes Nazihunter?

>But more importantly in light of
>your uncalled for and unsubstantiated attack on Ken above, as you
>had noted:

><quote>
>It is not altogether clear from your logs that Nazihunter obtained
>his information from your system. Anybody who wants to check can
>see that the first Usenet post of Scott Bradbury's address was
>time-stamped 1:04 hrs after Yale's e-mail was sent. The mail was
>sent at 17:10 EST and the information posted in Usenet at 18:14.
>The first file access activity in your log--assuming it is
>complete--was at 18:53 hrs 1:43 hrs after the e-mail was sent.
></quote>

>http://x57.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=562973403

>To recap the relevant part of that incident, for the record:

>There were 3 postings of the address to a.r. prior to the first hit
>on Nizkor. All came via cotse.com and none mentioned the name
>"nazihunter" or "nazifinder". Subsequent to this, there was a
>"nazihunter" posting of the address (19:06) also via cotse.com. At
>20:18 the entity calling himself bloggs decided to muddy some waters
>using the "nazihunter" nym _and_ leaving himself traceable.

Bloggs? I have his time from a dialup connection in Toronto at
19:18.

Do you think he is related to the bloggs who used a Toronto cable modem
account to test the nym the next day?

<quote>
From: "bloggs" <nazih...@test.com>
Subject: tr
Date: 15 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3857c05a$1...@127.0.0.1>
X-Abuse-Info2: ALL Spam complaints are acted upon within 24 hours!
X-Report: Report abuse to ab...@newsfeeds.com
Sender: "bloggs" <nazih...@127.0.0.1>
X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers,
INCLUDING the body
X-Trace: 15 Dec 1999 10:22:50 -0600, 24.112.80.88
X-Authenticated-User: nazihunter
Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+
UNCENSORED Newsgroups.
Reply-To: "bloggs" <nazih...@test.com>
X-User-Info: 24.112.80.88 24.112.80.88 nazihunter
Newsgroups: 3b.config

tr
</quote>

>I would be interested in your theory as to why a "discernible"
>entity would use a traceable post *after* the information he
>presumably
>wanted to make available (however he might have obtained it) had
>already been disseminated anonymously ... and untraceably. This is
>a pattern that appears to have repeated itself during the current
>rash of incidents.

As I say elsewhere, I think he is no longer afraid of being caught.

>As another poster has noted, the timing of these so-called
>nazihunter posts appears to be very closely related to the progress
>of Yale's
>suit against Bradbury. I would be interested in knowing how you
>think "nazihunter's" actions are serving anyone's "ideological" or
>other
>"interests" - and whose they might be.

The simplest explanation is that Nazihunter doesn't give a good
goddamn about any interests besides driving hate out of Usenet by means of
threats and intimidation.

>And as for the December
>incident, what evidence do you have which would suggest that if Ken
>had not placed the address on the website - for however long it may
>have been there - there would have been no posting of Bradbury's
>address in December or of his "brand new unlisted phone number" in
>July?

Since I stipulated in December that it was *not* clear that the
information came from the Nizkor website, your question is
incoherent.

Nazihunter got the information somehow, but how is entirely
conjectural. Given that Ken did not scruple to post the information
publicly, I know where my vote goes.

But getting back to the subject described in the subject header . . .

Do you have any evidence worth the name that Scott Bradbury has been
posting as Nazihunter? And what happned to your theory that Anthony
Sabatini was a sometimes Nazihunter? Did he use the Toronto
accomplice, too?



- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> at
University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>

~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive (Except for John's PGP Sigs)~~

John Morris also posted this (which actually predates the archive above):

http://x70.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=647113028
Subject: Re: Tavish adopts a new nym
Date: 07/16/2000
Author: John Morris <john....@ualberta.ca>

Hilary Ostrov <hos...@uniserve.com> writes:

[snip]

> Which does not contain any explanation as to how the nh/nf persona
> accomplished the remarkable feat of "countering" a Bradbury post a
> full hour and forty minutes before he made it. Hey, Bradbury, you've
> already struck out! Why are you still running away from your very own
> words?

> [...]

> >>>>He'd probably make an excellent *revisionist* scholar: one often
> >>>>learns so much more from that which they choose *not* to address, than
> >>>>from that which they do.

Is that like when Hilary has to invent an accomplice to account for the
fact that Nazihunter's attacks originate from a cable modem
account in Toronto?

Is that like when Hilary doesn't attempt to account for why this Toronto
accomplice has no other discernible existence in Usenet?

Is that like when Hilary doesn't attempt to explain why this Toronto
accomplice has has made harassing telephone calls to Matt Giwer, Anthony
Sabatini, Ed Kadach, Al Baron, Istvan Lippai, and Scott
Bradbury over the past four years?

What is Hilary not talking about? Why doesn't Hilary want to talk about
the e-mail I received from this Toronto accomplice telling me to lay off
because he was a major donor to the Nizkor Project?

I'll tell you my take on it. Ken is not responsible for the actions of
his donors undertaken after the donations were made nor is he responsible
to me or anyone else to risk the donor's safety by making his name public.
And as Ken himself would say, the independent
actions of his donors have no bearing on the truth of the material
archived on his website.

On the other hand, if one were to consider if there were ideological
interests served by inventing a pseudohistory of a Toronto accomplice, one
would immediately think back to the discussion this past January, and it
would not be difficult to see what interests are served by obscuring Ken
McVay's role in publishing Scott Bradbury's home address and telephone by
posting it to the Nizkor website.

Holocaust deniers seize upon insignificant historical questions (like
human soap) while dismissing or avoiding evidence of the central questions
of genocide and Nazi policy. One cannot help but be struck by how
portable are the techniques of pseudohistory.



- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> at
University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>

~~End of Exact DejaCom Archive (Except for John's PGP Sigs)~~

If you know who Nzihunter is then it is YOUR duty to report him!

Doc Tavish

John Morris

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In <kkd56tsjgnnvakt19...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:41:15 GMT, Doktor Tavische
<NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:42:16 GMT, John Morris
><John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

>>In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
>><NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>>[snip]

>>>Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
>>>things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

>>Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.

>All evidence points toward him.

Small wonder that you are a Jew-hater and a Holocaust denier.

> He's the only professor at U of T who fits
>the criteria.

No, he isn't. There were four (now three) possible academic
candidates in Frame's department alone and a couple at York
University also in Toronto.

But Nazihunter is not a professor of anything.

> I's imagine that R.C.M.P. will find out soon enough once I
>start the machine turning!

You won't start anything. You've made the same noises before, and
nothing came of it.

> Care to identify the real Nazihunter if you
>think otherwise?!

No problem. Request a deposition, or give the number of the
legitimate police or legal authorities who wish to contact me.

>Remember posting this?

Yes. It has nothing to do with Grant Frame and offers no evidence of
an academic affiliation for Nazihunter.

[snip]

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>

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John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
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You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not, after
all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a PhD and a house
purchased for $825,000!

Doktor Tavische

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:22:51 GMT, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
wrote:


>In <kkd56tsjgnnvakt19...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:41:15 GMT, Doktor Tavische
><NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

[...]

>> I's imagine that R.C.M.P. will find out soon enough once I
>>start the machine turning!

>You won't start anything. You've made the same noises before, and
>nothing came of it.

Which is not my fault. I made the complaints, gave the evidence, made out
the reports. I did my part bucko! Perhaps if I were a politician or a Jew
then something would be done!

>> Care to identify the real Nazihunter if you
>>think otherwise?!

>No problem. Request a deposition, or give the number of the
>legitimate police or legal authorities who wish to contact me.

If you were any kind of a good citizen you would be reporting the little
bastard yourself! What kind of a person sits on his hands and allows
another person to do what Nazihunter has done and is doing!?

You're really not much better than him John!

Make no mistake about it-- sooner or later I will find out who he is and I
will post his identity!

Doc Tavish

Doktor Tavische

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Brilliant observation and now that you said that I am beginning to believe
all John wants to do is throw Nazihunter's victims off the scent and John
Morris did post this:

http://x71.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=685604777
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Phillips (Yup -- he ran, folks...)
Date: 10/25/2000
Author: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

In <fr6dvso18s296sva3...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism, on
Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:35:45 GMT, Doc Tavish
<doc_tavi...@scottsmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:57:18 GMT, John Morris
><John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

[...]

>Also as you know the original Nazihunter first posted my address
>etc. with death threats on December 14, 1999 when I was in the
>hospital! Kinda of rules me out on that post! Plus you even said the
>Nazihunter phone calls originated from Toronto in your estimate and
>the call traces verified your hunch.

I know for certain that you are not the original Nazihunter. I know his
name, address, and telephone number. Hell, I even know how much he paid
for his house and what year he bought it.

That being said, there are still problems with your account of this latest
attack. I just can't say one way or the other.



- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

~~End of DejaCom Archive~~

Also see: http://x55.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=704738093


Looks like Morris is making smoke clouds or else he is not a good citizen
who reports criminals and their crimes. In the USofA he could be charged
with aiding and abetting felonious activity. People are charged for not
reporting criminal activity when they have knowledge of who's doing it!
Care to deny this John Morris?

Doc Tavish

Doktor Tavische

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
<david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

Brilliant observation and now that you said that I am beginning to believe


all John wants to do is throw Nazihunter's victims off the scent and John
Morris did post this:

http://x71.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=685604777
Subject: Re: Put up or shut up, Phillips (Yup -- he ran, folks...)
Date: 10/25/2000

Author: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>


In <fr6dvso18s296sva3...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism, on
Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:35:45 GMT, Doc Tavish
<doc_tavi...@scottsmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:57:18 GMT, John Morris
><John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

[...]

>Also as you know the original Nazihunter first posted my address
>etc. with death threats on December 14, 1999 when I was in the
>hospital! Kinda of rules me out on that post! Plus you even said the
>Nazihunter phone calls originated from Toronto in your estimate and
>the call traces verified your hunch.

I know for certain that you are not the original Nazihunter. I know his
name, address, and telephone number. Hell, I even know how much he paid
for his house and what year he bought it.

That being said, there are still problems with your account of this latest
attack. I just can't say one way or the other.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

~~End of DejaCom Archive~~

Also see: http://x55.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=704738093

Looks like Morris is making smoke clouds or else he is not a good citizen
who reports criminals and their crimes. In the USofA he could be charged
with aiding and abetting felonious activity. People are charged for not
reporting criminal activity when they have knowledge of who's doing it!
Care to deny this John Morris?

Perhaps Dr. Steve Reimer needs to be advised of what sort of a subordinate
he has! A subordinate who's known of criminal activity for over a year and
has done NOTHING to stop it!

LOOK!

http://x72.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=562277755
Subject: Re: WHY NOT GIVE THE NAZI SHITHEAD TAVISH A CALL
Date: 12/18/1999
Author: John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>

In <83ei53$i3r$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> in alt.revisionism, on Fri, 17 Dec 1999
23:48:52 GMT, doc_t...@my-deja.com wrote:

>In article <1999121500...@cotse.com>,
> "nazihunter" <anon...@cotse.com> wrote:
>> Anonymously posted.

>> The following is the address for Doc Tavish

[snip]

>> Why not call him and tell him what a nazi prick he is.
>> Better yet, why not visit him.......with a baseball bat.

>Now that is what I call a threat.

Indeed it is a threat. It also a criminal offence to utter such a threat.



~~End of DejaCom Archival Excerpt~~

Over a year has passed and John has not reported criminal activity! What
does this say of John?

Doc Tavish

Matthew Nobes

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Doktor Tavische wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
> <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...
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> >>
> >> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> >> on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
> >> <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> >Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
> >> >things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.
> >>
> >> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>

[snip]


> >
> >You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not, after
> >all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a PhD and a house
> >purchased for $825,000!
> >
> >David
>
> Brilliant observation

ROTFLMAO

You two are very funny to watch. Let me ask either of you a question, how
many academics (particularly those who study Assyrian history) do you know
who live in homes that cost $825 000?

I've met a lot of professors in my day, most of whom work in far more
profitable fields than Assyrian history, and none of them live in homes
that even remotely approach that price.

Also having a P.hD. does not mean that this guy stayed on as a professor.

[snip rest]

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Gord McFee

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david_michael wrote:

> John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...
>
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>>
>> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>> on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
>> <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>> Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
>>> things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.
>>
>> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.
>>
>> [snip]
>
>

> You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not, after
> all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a PhD and a house
> purchased for $825,000!

You're the one who hasn't a clue. Since when is every Ph.D an academic?


--
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I'll write no line before its time

Gord McFee

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Matthew Nobes wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Doktor Tavische wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
> > <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> > >news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...
> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > >> Hash: SHA1
> > >>
> > >> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
> > >> on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor Tavische
> > >> <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> [snip]
> > >>
> > >> >Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
> > >> >things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.
> > >>
> > >> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.
> > >>
> > >> [snip]
> > >>
> [snip]
> > >
> > >You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not, after
> > >all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a PhD and a house
> > >purchased for $825,000!
> > >
> > >David
> >
> > Brilliant observation
>
> ROTFLMAO

It is pretty humorous, isn't it? Tweedledum and Tweedledee.



> You two are very funny to watch. Let me ask either of you a question, how
> many academics (particularly those who study Assyrian history) do you know
> who live in homes that cost $825 000?

I doubt they know many academics at all.



> I've met a lot of professors in my day, most of whom work in far more
> profitable fields than Assyrian history, and none of them live in homes
> that even remotely approach that price.
>
> Also having a P.hD. does not mean that this guy stayed on as a professor.

Damn, Matthew, you told them.

--
Gord McFee

Patrick L. Humphrey

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Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> writes:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:22:51 GMT, John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
>wrote:

>>In <kkd56tsjgnnvakt19...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:41:15 GMT, Doktor Tavische
>><NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>[...]

>>> I's imagine that R.C.M.P. will find out soon enough once I
>>>start the machine turning!

>>You won't start anything. You've made the same noises before, and
>>nothing came of it.

>Which is not my fault. I made the complaints, gave the evidence, made out
>the reports. I did my part bucko! Perhaps if I were a politician or a Jew
>then something would be done!

Perhaps if you were sane, something might be done. Since nothing is done,
what logical conclusions can be drawn from that datum?

>>> Care to identify the real Nazihunter if you
>>>think otherwise?!

>>No problem. Request a deposition, or give the number of the
>>legitimate police or legal authorities who wish to contact me.

>If you were any kind of a good citizen you would be reporting the little
>bastard yourself! What kind of a person sits on his hands and allows
>another person to do what Nazihunter has done and is doing!?

Gee, Scottie, I guess you're not any kind of a good citizen, then -- where
were *you* when the forged garbage about me being arrested on pedophilia
charges was posted, or when the invented story about me being investigated
by the local *and* campus police for a string of rapes that had allegedly
occurred in the area? I guess that just wouldn't be convenient for you,
right?

>You're really not much better than him John!

You're really no better than you think you are, Scottie.

>Make no mistake about it-- sooner or later I will find out who he is and I
>will post his identity!

Yep -- doing the same thing that you whine at others for allegedly doing to
you. Maybe that's why your whining is pretty much given precisely the
attention it deserves.

--PLH, wondering what fantasy Bradbury will invent next

david_michael

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Matthew Nobes <man...@fraser.sfu.ca> wrote in message
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Well you're assuming that he got all his income from his assyriology work.
He might have inherited a large sum, or robbed a bank, or married a
millionairess, or received a $1,000,000 cheque from Nizkor to terrorize
opponents, or . . . well, there are endless possibilities.

> Also having a P.hD. does not mean that this guy stayed on as a professor.

Certainly -- I did a PhD just out of interest and then didn't touch the
field ever again simply because I found it mind-numbingly boring.
Nevertheless, it makes Morris's 'not an academic' assertion look a bit odd.

John Morris

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In <ieg66ts2oun6h9shu...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:33:35 GMT, Doktor Tavische
<NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 10:22:51 GMT, John Morris
><John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

>>In <kkd56tsjgnnvakt19...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>>on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 08:41:15 GMT, Doktor Tavische
>><NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>[...]

>>> I's imagine that R.C.M.P. will find out soon enough once I
>>>start the machine turning!

>>You won't start anything. You've made the same noises before, and
>>nothing came of it.

>Which is not my fault. I made the complaints, gave the evidence,
>made out the reports. I did my part bucko! Perhaps if I were a
>politician or a Jew then something would be done!

>>> Care to identify the real Nazihunter if you
>>>think otherwise?!

>>No problem. Request a deposition, or give the number of the
>>legitimate police or legal authorities who wish to contact me.

>If you were any kind of a good citizen you would be reporting the
>little bastard yourself!

To whom? And for what reason?

> What kind of a person sits on his hands and allows
>another person to do what Nazihunter has done and is doing!?

What would you propose I do?

>You're really not much better than him John!

Should I take this sort of thing seriously:

<quote>
From: No User <no....@anon.xg.nu>
Subject: NAZIHUNTER HAS A PRICE ON HIS HEAD?
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Message-ID: <3f2fa811068385d8...@anon.xg.nu>

IS IT TRUE NAZIHUNTER HAS A PRICE ON HIS HEAD?
I GOT NEWS VIA THE GRAPEVINE ABOUT A MAN HUNT
TAKING PLACE IN TORONTO. THE GOAL IS TO BE THE
FIRST CONTESTANT TO PUT A BULLET IN NAZIHUNTER'S
HEAD. IS THIS TRUE? HOW MUCH OF A BOUNTY IS
BEING OFFERED?
</quote>

>Make no mistake about it-- sooner or later I will find out who he is
>and I will post his identity!

It's not impossible to figure out. But you have to get over the idea
that he is an academic.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>

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In <nmi66tgq9nusbedea...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:12:33 GMT, Doktor Tavische
<NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
><david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

>>John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
>>news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...

>>> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in


>>> alt.revisionism, on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor
>>> Tavische
>>> <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>>> [snip]

>>> >Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of all
>>> >things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

>>> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.

>>> [snip]

>>You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not,


>>after all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a PhD
>>and a house purchased for $825,000!


I don't see the contradiction. An academic wouldn't be able to
afford a house at that price especially considering that he purchased
it about a year after completing his PhD.

And so what if he's got a PhD. You have one, and you're not an
academic.

>Brilliant observation and now that you said that I am beginning to
>believe all John wants to do is throw Nazihunter's victims off the
>scent

My response has been perfectly clear and consistent.

> and John Morris did post this:

What of it?

[snip]

>Over a year has passed and John has not reported criminal activity!
> What does this say of John?

You've been told repeatedly that unless he does something to me, I
can't complain. I'm sorry that I can't do anything to help you
except what I've offered, but I'm not your mommy.

Stop whining, and do something for yourself.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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In <3a63a...@news.newsfeeds.com> in alt.revisionism, on Tue, 16 Jan
2001 01:48:47 -0000, "david_michael" <david_...@onetel.net.uk>
wrote:

>Matthew Nobes <man...@fraser.sfu.ca> wrote in message
>news:Pine.GSO.4.30.010115...@fraser.sfu.ca...
>> On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Doktor Tavische wrote:

>> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
>> > <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:

>> > >John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
>> > >news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...

>> > >> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in


>> > >> alt.revisionism, on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT, Doktor
>> > >> Tavische
>> > >> <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:

>> > >> [snip]

>> > >> >Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking of
>> > >> >all things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.

>> > >> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.

>> > >> [snip]

>> [snip]

>> > > You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's
>> > > not, after all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's
>> > > got a PhD and a house purchased for $825,000!

>> > Brilliant observation

>> ROTFLMAO

Mine, too.

>> You two are very funny to watch. Let me ask either of you a
>> question, how many academics (particularly those who study
>> Assyrian history) do you know who live in homes that cost $825
>> 000?

>> I've met a lot of professors in my day, most of whom work in far
>> more profitable fields than Assyrian history, and none of them
>> live in homes that even remotely approach that price.

>Well you're assuming that he got all his income from his assyriology
>work. He might have inherited a large sum, or robbed a bank, or
>married a
>millionairess, or received a $1,000,000 cheque from Nizkor to
>terrorize opponents, or . . . well, there are endless possibilities.

And all of them evidence that Nazihunter is Grant Frame, I'm sure.

Small wonder that you're a Nazoid putz.

>> Also having a P.hD. does not mean that this guy stayed on as a
>> professor.

>Certainly -- I did a PhD just out of interest and then didn't touch
>the field ever again simply because I found it mind-numbingly
>boring.

That would explain the numbness of your mind.

>Nevertheless, it makes Morris's 'not an academic' assertion look a
>bit odd.

I mean that he doesn't teach or research at a university as people
usually mean when they say someone is not an academic.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
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Matthew Nobes

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Jan 16, 2001, 6:19:50 PM1/16/01
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, david_michael wrote:

> Matthew Nobes <man...@fraser.sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.30.010115...@fraser.sfu.ca...
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Doktor Tavische wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
> > > <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> > > >news:v3a56tgolgdlfd4oi...@4ax.com...
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> > > >> In <vb156tcp9f3md3c7b...@4ax.com> in
> > > >> alt.revisionism, on Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:49:01 GMT,
> > > >> Doktor Tavische <NOSPAMdo...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> [snip]
> > > >>
> > > >> >Nazihunter claims to be a professor and he shows a liking
> > > >> >of all things Assyrian and he loves the name Marduk.
> > > >>
> > > >> Grant Frame is not Nazihunter.
> > > >>
[snip]
> > > >

> > > >You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing
> > > >that he's not, after all, an academic, then you're
> > > >telling us that he's got a PhD and a house purchased
> > > >for $825,000!
> > > >
> > >

> > > Brilliant observation
> >
> > ROTFLMAO
> >
> > You two are very funny to watch. Let me ask either of you a
> > question, how many academics (particularly those who study
> > Assyrian history) do you know who live in homes that cost
> > $825 000?
> >
> > I've met a lot of professors in my day, most of whom work in
> > far more profitable fields than Assyrian history, and none of
> > them live in homes that even remotely approach that price.
>
> Well you're assuming that he got all his income from his assyriology
> work.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that, as written, your statement is
illogical, and definately not a "brilliant observation". Read what you
wrote, in particular

"One minute you're announcing that he's not,
after all, an academic, then you're telling
us that he's got a PhD and a house purchased
for $825,000!"

This implies that having a P.hD. and an $825 000 home are distintive
traits of an academic. The expensive home is most certainly *not* a sign
of professorhood.

> He might have inherited a large sum, or robbed a bank, or married a
> millionairess,

Sure, it's possible, but that doesn't provide a shred of evidence that
he's an academic.

> or received a $1,000,000 cheque from Nizkor to terrorize
> opponents

Nothing's quite so refreshing as a good dose of conspiracy theory.

> or . . . well, there are endless possibilities.

Don't forget to subtract 50% for taxes (this is Canada)

> > Also having a P.hD. does not mean that this guy stayed on as a
> > professor.
>
> Certainly -- I did a PhD just out of interest and then didn't touch
> the field ever again simply because I found it mind-numbingly boring.
> Nevertheless, it makes Morris's 'not an academic' assertion look a bit
> odd.

???

Why? You just admitted you have a P.hD. yet are not an academic. In the
field I work in there are ~100 P.hD.'s/year (worldwide) and only a handful
(~10) academic jobs (tenure track professorships). This is typical, and
suggests that while an academic will almost always have a P.hD., haveing a
P.hD. in no way indicates that one is an academic.

Sara

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Jan 16, 2001, 10:34:28 PM1/16/01
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In article <3A63811D...@sympatico.ca>, Gord McFee
<gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Nope. Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

:)

Sara

--
"It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
John Sayles, _Lone Star_

Matthew Nobes

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Jan 17, 2001, 2:59:48 PM1/17/01
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On 17 Jan 2001, Sara wrote:

> In article <3A63811D...@sympatico.ca>, Gord McFee
> <gord....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > Matthew Nobes wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Doktor Tavische wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:52:30 -0000, "david_michael"
> > > > <david_...@onetel.net.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> > > > >
> > > > >You don't have a clue. One minute you're announcing that he's not,
> > > > >after all, an academic, then you're telling us that he's got a
> > > > >PhD and a house purchased for $825,000!
> > > >

> > > > Brilliant observation
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO
> >
> > It is pretty humorous, isn't it? Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
>
> Nope. Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

I would have used Tweedledum and Tweedledelusional given what I've seen of
Tavish so far.

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