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National Front88

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Dec 13, 2001, 2:37:46 AM12/13/01
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Subject: Re: Where Have All the Shitheads Gone?
From: FREE SPEECH t-a-v-...@ix.ne-tc-o-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail
Date: 12/12/2001 10:54 AM Pacific Standard Time

On 12 Dec 2001 14:43:42 -0000,
MARDUK <sh...@kaspu.com> wrote:

Where is Yale F. Edeiken? [insane]
Where is Sara Salzman? [sexual deviant and masochist]
Where is Andrew Mathis? [emulating pee-wee herman]
Where is Peter Eater Outerbridge? [who cares?]
Where Have All the Shitheads Gone?
Addendum:
Irving Rubin? [prison for 30 years]
Ken McVay? [enjoying Fruit cake with his house boy]

I wonder if that could be sung to "Where Have All The Flowers Gone?"

Doc Tavish
---
I thought that had the ring of an old Van Halen tune, but the name of the
song escapes me at the moment. Considering the above list of dysfunctionals, I
think your initial instincts are more correct. Sara would reply, but she's all
"tied up" at the moment. Strange how she doesn't mind posting to the world
something she doesn't want her own father to have knowledge about. She's even
threatened legal action if her father is informed of her obvious sexual
deviancies. How humiliating for her. She did state, "I do hope Mr. Bradbury
follows through [to inform her father of her sexual deviancy]" Sounds like an
invitation from a masochist to me.

I am going to do some research on what makes people "get off" by
giving/receiving pain for sexual pleasure. I want to know what makes these
mentally ill people tick.

I am just being curious here: what did Kenny McVay know about Salzman's
sexual perversions, and when did he know it? To think I used to admire him for
duping Jews out of their Shekels.

NF88

"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

GassenBurnham

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I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole matter goes
much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several people here are too quick
in defending Sara. Plus the victim status Sara desires so much is all part
of the S&M theme. I fell her children are in serious emotional and physical
danger from possible viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.


--
"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?
Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman

John Morris

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In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

[snip]



> I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim status
> Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell her
> children are in serious emotional and physical danger from possible
> viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.

<quote>
From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 06 Dec 2000 02:48:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
Message-ID: <20001205214815...@ng-cm1.aol.com>

This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
are asshole.
</quote>

<quote>
From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 07 Dec 2000 00:42:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
Message-ID: <20001206194238...@ng-fj1.aol.com>

I understand parental pride and the desire to protect ones
children.

I therefore find the post relating to Sarah's kids reprehensible
and feel the poster concerned plumbs the lowest of the deepest
pothole in the sewer.
</quote>

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Mike Kalvatis

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Dec 13, 2001, 3:11:02 PM12/13/01
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What does nicegoy have to do with this thread?

GassenBurnham

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>Subject: Re: Sara Salzman is all "Tied Up" at the Moment
>From: John Morris John....@UAlberta.CA
>Date: 12/14/01 4:22 AM E. Australia Standard Time
>Message-id: <85sh1u0plvtdksk44...@4ax.com>

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>In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
>Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
>> matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
>> people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim status
>> Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell her
>> children are in serious emotional and physical danger from possible
>> viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.
>
><quote>
> From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Date: 06 Dec 2000 02:48:15 GMT
> Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
> Message-ID: <20001205214815...@ng-cm1.aol.com>
>
> This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> are asshole.
></quote>

I do not know why you have chosen to draw me into this thread, Jack.

However, I stand by my defence of Sara's kids, it was bad enough when they
suffered a bit of verbal abuse, but now it appears someone in a position of
trust is sexualy abusing them!

This makes me ten times more pissed off!

>
><quote>
> From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> Date: 07 Dec 2000 00:42:38 GMT
> Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
> Message-ID: <20001206194238...@ng-fj1.aol.com>
>
> I understand parental pride and the desire to protect ones
> children.

And so, for the life of me, I can not understand why a parent would expose
their kids to the likes of Cougar.

>
> I therefore find the post relating to Sarah's kids reprehensible
> and feel the poster concerned plumbs the lowest of the deepest
> pothole in the sewer.
></quote>

New depths have now been plumbed.... by those who would teach a child to be a
sexual dominatrix.

>
>- --
> John Morris

Your feeble attempt at justifying these perversions is nothing short of
reprehensible.

You are depraved, Jack.
"If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job is
to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the most
good" A. S. Lees

GassenBurnham

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"John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
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> In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
> Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
> <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> > matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> > people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim status
> > Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell her
> > children are in serious emotional and physical danger from possible
> > viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.
>
>
> This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> are asshole.


I agree, it has gone far enough. As adults and parents it is our obligation
to fight child abuse...whoever's child it may be. Unlike you Morris, we
refuse to shove our heads up our ass and ignore the dangers these children
are exposed each and every day. I've already had one expert look over Sara's
file, she believes the children are in grave danger...and some type of
intervention is necessary. The only 'assholes' here are people like you who
has the chance to stop the horrors these children must endure each day...yet
you refuse. Don't you dare criticize David Michael for his comments on the
9/11...David didn't have the opportunity to stop it from happening....but
you have the opportunity, yet refuse. You're a sorry excuse for a human
being.

--


"I lie face-up on the bed, my body a perfect X. Face up. Oh, Goddess, he's
going to whip my breasts." ---Sara Salzman

"But safe in terms of not getting killed or left in bondage to die alone?


Absolutely 100%. And not only with my own Master, but I feel equally safe
with those other Dom(mes) he has had me play with." ---Sara Salzman

> </quote>

Sara

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Dec 13, 2001, 7:42:32 PM12/13/01
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In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.

Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.

You've claimed at least 5 times that you "called DHS" or whatever other
acronym you want to use. You haven't done it, and you're not going to.

Because the truth is simple: Don Ellis is a raging, impotent, coward.

Sara

--
"This is no social crisis, it's just you having fun."
- Pete Townshend

Mike Kalvatis

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Dec 13, 2001, 8:21:18 PM12/13/01
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Well if he is a liar, you and have something in common

>
>Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
>harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
>6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.

Well if that is the worse he can do, you wouldn't mind us sharing it
with your neighbors would you? I'm sure they would like Cougar's
"domme in training" parts.

>
>You've claimed at least 5 times that you "called DHS" or whatever other
>acronym you want to use. You haven't done it, and you're not going to.

You don't know that. They are very confidential about releasing
information. You should know that considering you admitted you have
been investigated by them in Ohio

And once again you are admitting you committed perjury in the Tavish
defeats Edeiken x2 case

>
>Because the truth is simple: Don Ellis is a raging, impotent, coward.

Time for more meds for Sara!!


>
>Sara

GassenBurnham

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But I am not ellis.

Sam Spade

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On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,

<catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
>
>Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
>harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
>6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.

So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist! Strange that they
aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so who is the
liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon proof) was able to NUKE
DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks for
admitting you HAD "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!

Doc Tavish

>Sara

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Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <UhdS7.6882$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie Ellis"
<d...@seark.net> wrote:

> But I am not ellis.

But you are, Donnie.

You simply confirm your cowardice each time you disclaim your own identity.

JGB

=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeffre...@mailandnews.com
For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997

GassenBurnham

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She has also admitted to having multiple sex partners. Her current post
makes it very clear to readers that her concern is not for her
children...but her own image here in alt.revisionism. I have no problem with
Sara wanting to engage it S&M activities, she can tie herself up and get
whipped all night long....but her children live in a different kind of
bondage, it is a bondage by force and accompanied by fear. Cougar is the
only other adult living in the household, his postings has reveled he is the
Master whom Sara has no control. This places the children in greater danger,
we have viewed Cougar's desires with disgust and rage. We must not let our
emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the government
will intervene at a rapid pace.

May God have Mercy on these children.

GassenBurnham

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"Mike Kalvatis" <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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She has also admitted to having multiple sex partners. Her current post
makes it very clear to readers that her concern is not for her
children...but her own image here in alt.revisionism. I have no problem with
Sara wanting to engage it S&M activities, she can tie herself up and get
whipped all night long....but her children live in a different kind of
bondage, it is a bondage by force and accompanied by fear. Cougar is the
only other adult living in the household, his postings has reveled he is the
Master whom Sara has no control. This places the children in greater danger,
we have viewed Cougar's desires with disgust and rage. We must not let our
emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the government
will intervene at a rapid pace.

May God have Mercy on these children.


> >

Jeffrey G. Brown

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In article <1GdS7.6895$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie Ellis"
<d...@seark.net> wrote:

> We must not let our
> emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the government
> will intervene at a rapid pace.

Recall that Don Ellis was the webmaster of "Thundernet.org", a site which made
coprophiliac pornography available to anyone -- including children.

GassenBurnham

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"Jeffrey G. Brown" <jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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> In article <UhdS7.6882$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie
Ellis"
> <d...@seark.net> wrote:
>
> > But I am not ellis.
>
> But you are, Donnie.
>
> You simply confirm your cowardice each time you disclaim your own
identity.
>
> JGB


Hey LIAR, prove I am ellis.


Kurt Knoll

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What is this Brownshit Ellis is lying now. How did you figure this out.

Kurt Knoll.
================


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GassenBurnham

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>
> On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,
> <catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> >You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
> >
> >Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
> >harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
> >6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.
>
> So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist! Strange that
they
> aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so who is
the
> liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon proof) was able to
NUKE
> DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks
for
> admitting you HAD "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!
>
> Doc Tavish
>
> >Sara
>

But we have her postings on file. :-)

Mike Kalvatis

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:49:46 -0500, "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>In article <1GdS7.6895$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie Ellis"
><d...@seark.net> wrote:
>
>> We must not let our
>> emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the government
>> will intervene at a rapid pace.
>
>Recall that Don Ellis was the webmaster of "Thundernet.org", a site which made
>coprophiliac pornography available to anyone -- including children.

Prove it.

Mike Kalvatis

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She'll lie and say we made them up now. But it's too late.

Mike Kalvatis

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:36:30 -0500, "Jeffrey G. Brown"
<jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

>In article <UhdS7.6882$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless Donnie Ellis"
><d...@seark.net> wrote:
>
>> But I am not ellis.
>
>But you are, Donnie.
>
>You simply confirm your cowardice each time you disclaim your own identity.

So anyone who claims they are not Don Ellis is actually Don Ellis.
What logic!!!!!
I guess John Morris is Don Ellis.
David Gorski is Don Ellis
Pat Blakely is Don Ellis
Scott Bradbury is Don Ellis

Kurt Knoll

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How about yourself Brownshit is your name Really Jeffery Brown can you
prove it
I think you are an imposter ?.

Kurt Knoll.
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GassenBurnham

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"Mike Kalvatis" <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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She will have to contact everyone who replied to her postings, begging them
to have their postings deleted. She deleted hers but the replies to her
postings stand. :-)


But, it's not too late to save the children of bondage.

GassenBurnham

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"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
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> How about yourself Brownshit is your name Really Jeffery Brown can you
> prove it
> I think you are an imposter ?.
>
> Kurt Knoll.


He is really donny ellis

Mike Kalvatis

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:04:17 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>
>"Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote in message
>news:3c197...@binaries.vphos.net...
>> How about yourself Brownshit is your name Really Jeffery Brown can you
>> prove it
>> I think you are an imposter ?.
>>
>> Kurt Knoll.
>
>
>He is really donny ellis

I'm the real Jeffrey G Brown

Kurt Knoll

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Oh he is a Bigamist.

Kurt Knoll.
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John Morris

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on 13 Dec 2001 22:55:19 GMT, gassen...@aol.comnospam
(GassenBurnham) wrote:

> >From: John Morris John....@UAlberta.CA
> >Message-id: <85sh1u0plvtdksk44...@4ax.com>

> >In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
> >on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> >[snip]

> >> I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> >> matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> >> people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim
> >> status Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell
> >> her children are in serious emotional and physical danger from
> >> possible viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.

> ><quote>
> > From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
> > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > Date: 06 Dec 2000 02:48:15 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
> > Message-ID: <20001205214815...@ng-cm1.aol.com>

> > This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> > are asshole.
> ></quote>

> I do not know why you have chosen to draw me into this thread,
> Jack.

I didn't notice that Don Ellis was using one of your nyms.
Nvertheless, your response below is instructive.



> However, I stand by my defence of Sara's kids, it was bad enough
> when they suffered a bit of verbal abuse, but now it appears
> someone in a position of trust is sexualy abusing them!

I don't think Don Ellis could conceivably be in a position of trust
with respect to Sara's children.



> This makes me ten times more pissed off!

And well it should. Ellis and his gang appear to be the human
equivalent of a pack of jackals in a feeding frenzy.

> ><quote>
> > From: nic...@aol.com (Nicegoy)
> > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> > Date: 07 Dec 2000 00:42:38 GMT
> > Subject: Re: Sara Salzman Children
> > Message-ID: <20001206194238...@ng-fj1.aol.com>

> > I understand parental pride and the desire to protect ones
> > children.

> And so, for the life of me, I can not understand why a parent would
> expose their kids to the likes of Cougar.

What is wrong with Cougar? If you had bothered to read the initial
evidence of his usenet posts to the sex groups, you might have
noticed his firm resolve that children should not be involved in
sexual activities.

> > I therefore find the post relating to Sarah's kids reprehensible
> > and feel the poster concerned plumbs the lowest of the deepest
> > pothole in the sewer.
> ></quote>

> New depths have now been plumbed.... by those who would teach a
> child to be a sexual dominatrix.

Yet the sole "evidence" that such a thing has happened depends upon
deliberately cutting away half of the relevant quotation. What kind
of case is that?

Ellis is simply trying to make a case where a case doesn't exist. He
is simply extending the campaign of vicious harassment that he began
two years ago. It is the sort of campaign he waged against others
for years before that.

Put simply, the man is a vicious, amoral thug whose sole satisfaction
in lfe is in making others unhappy.



> Your feeble attempt at justifying these perversions is nothing
> short of reprehensible.

I am not justifying anything. It is simply none of my business what
two consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom. Whether
they chose six or seven years ago to fantasize in usenet only becomes
my business if I bother to read the relevant newsgroups.

> You are depraved, Jack.

Why? Because I'm not a puritanical busybody?

Or is it simply that I haven't jumped on your bandwagon?

Well, here's why: Don Ellis has been stalking Sara Salzman for years;
he has consistently lied about her; he has consistently lied about
her children and in the most insulting terms; he has posted forgeries
in her name; he *says* that he is always on the brink of reporting
her as an unfit mother and thus putting her children in *real*
jeopardy.

So if you want to call me depraved because I won't swallow whole the
ravings of an illiterate stalker, then you'll call me depraved.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
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If you are the real Jeffery brown supply proof.
Date of Birth
Place of Birth
First middle and last name

Your address
Your Phone
Your place of work

What organizations you belong to.

Kurt Knoll..

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In <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:42:11 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>
> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> news:85sh1u0plvtdksk44...@4ax.com...
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> > In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in
> > alt.revisionism, on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600,
> > "GassenBurnham"
> > <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> > > matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> > > people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim
> > > status Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I
> > > fell her children are in serious emotional and physical danger
> > > from possible viewing and partaking in these sexual
> > > perversions.
> >
> >
> > This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> > are asshole.
>
>
> I agree, it has gone far enough. As adults and parents it is our
> obligation to fight child abuse...whoever's child it may be. Unlike
> you Morris, we refuse to shove our heads up our ass and ignore the
> dangers these children are exposed each and every day.

The only danger to these children is you.

> I've already had one expert look over Sara's
> file,

Suuuuure you have.

> she believes the children are in grave danger...and some type of
> intervention is necessary. The only 'assholes' here are people like
> you who has the chance to stop the horrors these children must
> endure each day...yet you refuse.

I refuse to accept the lies of an illiterate busybody like you.

You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should I
believe you now?

> Don't you dare criticize David Michael for his comments on the
> 9/11...David didn't have the opportunity to stop it from
> happening....

He merely took pleasure in it happening. He took pleasure in the
cold-blooded murders of your fellow citizens.

He has the right to express his feelings. I have the right to
express mine. Yes, I "dare" to criticize him just as you "dare" to
criticize me.

> but
> you have the opportunity, yet refuse. You're a sorry excuse for a
> human being.

I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.

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In <P2eS7.6897$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:27:15 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
<cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

[snip]


> Hey LIAR, prove I am ellis.

It doesn't really matter. You are using Don Ellis's account just as
you have allowed Don and others to use your account.

Rather than limiting your legal liability through the ploy of shared
accounts, you have merely opened up a whole new class of criminal
offence.

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In <s7si1ustq9q8obsab...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:24:51 -0500, Mike Kalvatis
<mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:49:46 -0500, "Jeffrey G. Brown"
> <jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:

> >In article <1GdS7.6895$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless
> >Donnie Ellis" <d...@seark.net> wrote:

> >> We must not let our
> >> emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the
> >> government will intervene at a rapid pace.

> >Recall that Don Ellis was the webmaster of "Thundernet.org", a
> >site which made coprophiliac pornography available to anyone --
> >including children.

> Prove it.

What's to prove? Ellis doesn't deny it, and many of us have been
disgusted by our visits to his website.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:41:53 GMT, John Morris
<John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

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>In <s7si1ustq9q8obsab...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
>on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:24:51 -0500, Mike Kalvatis
><mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:49:46 -0500, "Jeffrey G. Brown"
>> <jeffre...@mailandnews.com> wrote:
>
>> >In article <1GdS7.6895$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "Gutless
>> >Donnie Ellis" <d...@seark.net> wrote:
>
>> >> We must not let our
>> >> emotions take us out of focus, continue as planned and pray the
>> >> government will intervene at a rapid pace.
>
>> >Recall that Don Ellis was the webmaster of "Thundernet.org", a
>> >site which made coprophiliac pornography available to anyone --
>> >including children.
>
>> Prove it.
>
>What's to prove? Ellis doesn't deny it, and many of us have been
>disgusted by our visits to his website.

visits as in more than one? No one is making you go there so you must
enjoy it

Mike Kalvatis

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:27:44 -0800, "Kurt Knoll"
<kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:

>If you are the real Jeffery brown supply proof.
>Date of Birth
>Place of Birth
>First middle and last name
>
>Your address
>Your Phone
>Your place of work
>
>What organizations you belong to.
>
>Kurt Knoll..

Kurt, actually we know everyone of those details with the exception of
place of birth
whois geekman.com and publicdata.com will give you all you need to
know about the bot

Mike Kalvatis

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Prove it


>
>> I've already had one expert look over Sara's
>> file,
>
>Suuuuure you have.
>
>> she believes the children are in grave danger...and some type of
>> intervention is necessary. The only 'assholes' here are people like
>> you who has the chance to stop the horrors these children must
>> endure each day...yet you refuse.
>
>I refuse to accept the lies of an illiterate busybody like you.
>
>You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should I
>believe you now?

Prove you are not a pederast

>
>> Don't you dare criticize David Michael for his comments on the
>> 9/11...David didn't have the opportunity to stop it from
>> happening....
>
>He merely took pleasure in it happening. He took pleasure in the
>cold-blooded murders of your fellow citizens.

That's his right

>
>He has the right to express his feelings. I have the right to
>express mine. Yes, I "dare" to criticize him just as you "dare" to
>criticize me.
>
>> but
>> you have the opportunity, yet refuse. You're a sorry excuse for a
>> human being.
>
>I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.

Prove it

KCOM

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Ellis have you ever considered going to the psychiatrist and getting
some meds for that disorder where your sock puppets talk to each
other...? Just wondering like...

Steve


GassenBurnham

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>Subject: Re: Don Lies Yet Again
>From: "GassenBurnham" cte6...@centurytel.net
>Date: 12/14/01 1:28 PM E. Australia Standard Time
>Message-id: <D3eS7.6898$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>

>
>
>"Sam Spade" <t-a-v-...@ix.ne-tc-o-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote in
>message news:vuoi1u0v55qj422ke...@4ax.com...
>> *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com ***
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,
>> <catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
>> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
>> >
>> >Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
>> >harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
>> >6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.
>>
>> So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist! Strange that
>they
>> aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so who is
>the
>> liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon proof) was able to
>NUKE
>> DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks
>for
>> admitting you HAD "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!
>>
>> Doc Tavish
>>
>> >Sara
>>
>
>But we have her postings on file. :-)
>

Not to mention the hard copy on it's way to Leon.
"If I am killing a rat with a stick and have him in a corner, I am not
indignant if he tries to bite me and squeals and gibbers with rage. My job is
to attend to my footwork and to keep on hitting him where it will do the most
good" A. S. Lees

William Daffer

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Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:

[snip]

> >You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should I
> >believe you now?
>
> Prove you are not a pederast

That last refuge of the harasser. Make the claim and then
*absolutely refuse* to prove it.

[snip]

> >I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.
>
> Prove it

LOL!

What an idiot!

(I know, I know. You're going to require me to 'prove it!' *LOL*!)

whd
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http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&th=ce84994e260d85fb,16&start=10&ic=1
Compare Msgs #12 and #13 for proof

William Daffer

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Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:

[snip]


> >> >Recall that Don Ellis was the webmaster of "Thundernet.org", a
> >> >site which made coprophiliac pornography available to anyone --
> >> >including children.
> >
> >> Prove it.
> >
> >What's to prove? Ellis doesn't deny it, and many of us have been
> >disgusted by our visits to his website.
>
> visits as in more than one? No one is making you go there so you must
> enjoy it


So you knew the site existed when you asked John to prove it.

whd
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No the holocaust is not about history it is about a Ukrainian
Sausage.

Bob Scott

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On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,
<catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
<cata...@concentric.net> wrote:

>In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
>
>Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
>harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
>6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.

So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist! Strange that they
aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so who is the
liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon proof) was able to NUKE
DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks for
admitting you HAD "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!

BTW your statement: "the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.." is hypocritical you filthy
perjurious pig! You were quoted in full context BUT those old posts you and
Edeiken used against me in a malicious prosecution weren't in context. The posts
resurrected about you were in full context and only posted to USENET on the
other hand my posts were presented as "evidence" in a court of law and were
definitely out of context! Care to deny it you filthy disgusting pig?

Doc Tavish
>Sara

---I, Doc Tavish, asked:
>Care to tell all of us why both Todd Miller (and Associates) and Paul
>Trainor (Law Office) distanced themselves from you?
(Yale F. Edeiken <ya...@enter.net> answered):
Because they were dealing with someone who was "mentally unstable"
(their dscription) and a "crazy man" (again, their description) who they
wanted to go away as quckly as possible.
<SH9g7.634$7d.2...@newshog.newsread.com> 8/20/2001

Bob Scott

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:28:21 -0600, <D3eS7.6898$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>
"GassenBurnham" <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

>
>"Sam Spade" <t-a-v-...@ix.ne-tc-o-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote in
>message news:vuoi1u0v55qj422ke...@4ax.com...
>> *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com ***
>>
>> On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,
>> <catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
>> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
>> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.
>> >
>> >Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
>> >harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
>> >6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.
>>
>> So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist! Strange that
>> they aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so who is
>> the liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon proof) was able to
>> NUKE DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks
>> for admitting you HAD "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!
>>
>> Doc Tavish
>>
>> >Sara
:
>But we have her postings on file. :-)

TRUE but the pig will be in denial that she ever posted them and all of her
fellow swine will back her up! Good thing I archived those GOOGLE pages as html
pages!

Doc Tavish

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on Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:40:11 -0500, Mike Kalvatis
<mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> Prove it.

So now you are confirming the existence of the website. Thank you
for being a stupid idiot again.

You people are sooooo easy.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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In <ucbj1uolv2frhhpf1...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:44:31 -0500, Mike Kalvatis
<mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:31:56 GMT, John Morris
> <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

> >In <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism,
> >on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:42:11 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> >> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >> news:85sh1u0plvtdksk44...@4ax.com...

> >> > In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in


> >> > alt.revisionism, on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600,
> >> > "GassenBurnham"
> >> > <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> >> > [snip]

> >> > > I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This
> >> > > whole matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because
> >> > > several people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus
> >> > > the victim status Sara desires so much is all part of the
> >> > > S&M theme. I fell her children are in serious emotional and
> >> > > physical danger from possible viewing and partaking in these
> >> > > sexual
> >> > > perversions.

> >> > This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> >> > are asshole.

> >> I agree, it has gone far enough. As adults and parents it is our
> >> obligation to fight child abuse...whoever's child it may be.
> >> Unlike you Morris, we refuse to shove our heads up our ass and
> >> ignore the dangers these children are exposed each and every
> >> day.

> >The only danger to these children is you.

> Prove it

You are telling lies about Sara and claiming to report them to child
welfare authorities. By telling your lies, you are putting the
welfare of that family in danger.

QED

> >> I've already had one expert look over Sara's
> >> file,

> >Suuuuure you have.

> >> she believes the children are in grave danger...and some type of
> >> intervention is necessary. The only 'assholes' here are people
> >> like you who has the chance to stop the horrors these children
> >> must endure each day...yet you refuse.

> >I refuse to accept the lies of an illiterate busybody like you.

> >You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should I
> >believe you now?

> Prove you are not a pederast

To whom? To myself? I already know that you are liar. I don't have
to convince myself of that. The plain evidence of your lies is
before me.

And knowing that you would make up such a disgusting lie, I don't
believe anything you say.

> >> Don't you dare criticize David Michael for his comments on the
> >> 9/11...David didn't have the opportunity to stop it from
> >> happening....

> >He merely took pleasure in it happening. He took pleasure in the
> >cold-blooded murders of your fellow citizens.

> That's his right

It is also my right to object.

> >He has the right to express his feelings. I have the right to
> >express mine. Yes, I "dare" to criticize him just as you "dare"
> >to criticize me.

What? No comment? Not going to deny my right to speak as I choose?

> >> but
> >> you have the opportunity, yet refuse. You're a sorry excuse for
> >> a human being.

> >I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.

> Prove it

Prove what? That I hold you in the utmost contempt? You'll just
have to take my word for it.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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In <vuoi1u0v55qj422ke...@4ax.com> in alt.revisionism,
on Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:29:00 -0600, Sam Spade
<t-a-v-...@ix.ne-tc-o-m.comRemoveHyphens2Mail> wrote:

> *** post for FREE via your newsreader at post.newsfeeds.com ***
>
> On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT,
> <catamont-EF986E...@news.concentric.net> Sara
> <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>,
> >"GassenBurnham" <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> >You're a liar, Don, and you always have been.

> >Nothing you say changes that. You have a vile history of lying and
> > harassing, and the worst you think you can do to me is resurrect
> >6-year-old fantasy posts and pretend outrage.

> So you're admitting those "6-year-old fantasy posts" exist!

Duh.

> Strange that they
> aren't at GOOGLE's anymore! It appears that you had them NUKED so
> who is the liar now? YOU- YOU PIG! Only the original author (upon
> proof) was able to NUKE DejaCom's archives and I'd imagine that
> GOOGLE has the same policy! Thanks for admitting you HAD
> "6-year-old fantasy posts" you lying dirty pig!

Stop it, Scott. You're going to bust a blood vessel.

Wait! What am I saying?!

Keep it up, Scott. You're going to bust a blood vessel.

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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In <m2ofl20...@ulysses.localdomain> in alt.revisionism, on Fri,
14 Dec 2001 16:29:59 GMT, William Daffer <whda...@mediaone.net>
wrote:

> Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:

> [snip]

> > >You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should
> > >I believe you now?

> > Prove you are not a pederast

> That last refuge of the harasser. Make the claim and then
> *absolutely refuse* to prove it.

Pathetic, isn't it?



> [snip]

> > >I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.

> > Prove it

> LOL!

> What an idiot!

> (I know, I know. You're going to require me to 'prove it!'
> *LOL*!)

Have you ever in your life encountered a group of people so feebly
stupid?

- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>


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Mike Kalvatis

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Dec 14, 2001, 3:46:21 PM12/14/01
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Question: What is a chickenhawk
Answer: Morris looking into a mirror

Mike Kalvatis

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Dec 14, 2001, 3:47:28 PM12/14/01
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:53:18 GMT, John Morris
<John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote:

Sara in court documents admits someone on this newsgroup as reported
her to children's protective services. Sara herself admits to being
investigated by them in at least two states.

KCOM

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Dec 14, 2001, 4:11:50 PM12/14/01
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:21:18 -0500, Mike Kalvatis
<mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
>Time for more meds for Sara!!
>

Why don't you take yours first Ellis?


Steve

William Daffer

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Dec 14, 2001, 5:13:22 PM12/14/01
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John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA> writes:

> In <m2ofl20...@ulysses.localdomain> in alt.revisionism, on Fri,
> 14 Dec 2001 16:29:59 GMT, William Daffer <whda...@mediaone.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > >You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should
> > > >I believe you now?
>
> > > Prove you are not a pederast
>
> > That last refuge of the harasser. Make the claim and then
> > *absolutely refuse* to prove it.
>
> Pathetic, isn't it?
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > >I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.
>
> > > Prove it
>
> > LOL!
>
> > What an idiot!
>
> > (I know, I know. You're going to require me to 'prove it!'
> > *LOL*!)
>
> Have you ever in your life encountered a group of people so feebly
> stupid?

I thought that a year ago we had hit the nadir. Who then would have
thought that it could degenerate from there to the shere idiocy that
is Ellis (in all of his manifestations), the Knoll twins and all
the other refuse we see today.

They're like miserable 2 year old children with slightly better
vocabulary (and in the case of the Knolls, even this isn't true)
looking to get back at someone, anyone.

I wonder when the day will come that such behavior is *truly* (not
'theoretically') actionable? Some of these people really need to be
punished.


whd
--
Richard Phillips, in <3BA0C85C...@earthlink.net> show's his
humanity by saying:

As for your priceless World Trade Center... my only regret
is that they didn't demolish the obscenities totally by
crashing into them at a much lower point."

William Daffer

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Dec 14, 2001, 5:27:28 PM12/14/01
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Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:

[snip]

> >> >The only danger to these children is you.


> >
> >> Prove it
> >
> >You are telling lies about Sara and claiming to report them to child
> >welfare authorities. By telling your lies, you are putting the
> >welfare of that family in danger.
>
> Sara in court documents admits someone on this newsgroup as reported
> her to children's protective services. Sara herself admits to being
> investigated by them in at least two states.
>

So, let's get this straight. Someone makes a report to child
protective services, there's some court action which necessarily
produces some records. In that court action Sara might quite
understandibly assert that someone on this newsgroup reported her as
a harassing tactic. So far, *nothing* has been said about the truth
of the charge!

And then you claim these records as evidence that Sara is
mistreating her children?!?

If you weren't so despicable you'd be funny.

For all we know, *YOU* made the report as a harassment tactic
knowing full well the report was false. That you now claim these
records as evidence of your orignal (and by assumption false) claim
is proof only of your harassment.

Turning this around:

If I found out where you lived and made an anonymous phone call to
the sheriff in your town telling him that I had it on good authority
that you were out prowling for teenaged boys, and they started an
investigation which hauled you into court, which produced court
records in which records you stood before the judge, declared your
innocence and swore that someone on this newsgroup had made a
complaint as harassment, by your argument I would nevertheless be
right to conclude that you were a child molester!

What a pathetic little worm you are!



> >
> >QED

What he said.

[snip]

whd
--
Kurt Knoll makes an incisive point:

"I does not matter who seen what I is always worth investigating."

William Daffer

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Dec 14, 2001, 5:28:35 PM12/14/01
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Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:

> Question: What is a chickenhawk
> Answer: Morris looking into a mirror
>

Define 'chickenhawk,' if you're man enough.

[snip]

whd
--
Matters about which Joe Bellinger has lied and continues to lie:

Butler,Gilbert,Death Dealer, Amidah, C for Convert, Christians in
Israel, Pranatis and Russian Translation of Talmud, and anytime he
claims to have killfiled you.

Oh, and anytime he claims to have 'trounced' anyone.

GassenBurnham

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Dec 14, 2001, 6:44:31 PM12/14/01
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"Mike Kalvatis" <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o9pk1ug6amafj5d48...@4ax.com...

I wonder who reported the abuse. :-)

Notice how Morris (defender of child molestation) has gone TILT! He gets
really pissed when someone helps children in need.


William Daffer

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Dec 14, 2001, 7:29:03 PM12/14/01
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"GassenBurnham" <cte6...@centurytel.net> writes:

[snip]

> > Sara in court documents admits someone on this newsgroup as reported
> > her to children's protective services. Sara herself admits to being
> > investigated by them in at least two states.
> >
>
> I wonder who reported the abuse. :-)
>

'Kalvatis', most likely.

> Notice how Morris (defender of child molestation) has gone TILT! He
> gets really pissed when someone helps children in need.

Tell me, do you enjoy being such a despicable person?

whd
--
Pat Blakely on the definition of terrorism

A terrorist act is an act by a group of people whom you oppose.

If you are a militant Moslem, the blowing up of the WTC was an act of
war, just as what the US is doing to the Taliban.

From <9rf4ur$4fn$1...@suaar1ab.prod.compuserve.com>

Gord McFee

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Dec 14, 2001, 7:44:29 PM12/14/01
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John Morris wrote:
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> In <m2ofl20...@ulysses.localdomain> in alt.revisionism, on Fri,
> 14 Dec 2001 16:29:59 GMT, William Daffer <whda...@mediaone.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > >You called me a pederast, remember? That was a lie. Why should
> > > >I believe you now?
>
> > > Prove you are not a pederast
>
> > That last refuge of the harasser. Make the claim and then
> > *absolutely refuse* to prove it.
>
> Pathetic, isn't it?

It's beyond pathetic.



> > [snip]
>
> > > >I find it difficult to think of you as a human being at all.
>
> > > Prove it
>
> > LOL!
>
> > What an idiot!
>
> > (I know, I know. You're going to require me to 'prove it!'
> > *LOL*!)
>
> Have you ever in your life encountered a group of people so feebly
> stupid?

No. Not even close.

--
Gord McFee
[gord....@sympatico.ca]
I'll write no line before its time

Joe Bruno

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Dec 14, 2001, 9:49:44 PM12/14/01
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Mike Kalvatis <mkal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<ilki1us8khjlsfl74...@4ax.com>...
> On 14 Dec 2001 00:42:32 GMT, Sara <cata...@concentric.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <ALaS7.6858$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net>, "GassenBurnham"
> ><cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> >> news:85sh1u0plvtdksk44...@4ax.com...
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> >> > In <8S1S7.6801$Xs4.7...@feed.centurytel.net> in alt.revisionism, on
> >> > Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:34:50 -0600, "GassenBurnham"
> >> > <cte6...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > [snip]
> >> >
> >> > > I believe McVay is connected to her ring of Masters. This whole
> >> > > matter goes much deeper than Sara and Cougar, because several
> >> > > people here are too quick in defending Sara. Plus the victim status
> >> > > Sara desires so much is all part of the S&M theme. I fell her
> >> > > children are in serious emotional and physical danger from possible
> >> > > viewing and partaking in these sexual perversions.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This sick shit has gone far enough, cut it out whoever you
> >> > are asshole.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree, it has gone far enough. As adults and parents it is our
> >> obligation
> >> to fight child abuse...whoever's child it may be. Unlike you Morris, we
> >> refuse to shove our heads up our ass and ignore the dangers these
> >> children
> >> are exposed each and every day. I've already had one expert look over
> >> Sara's
> >> file, she believes the children are in grave danger...and some type of

> >> intervention is necessary. The only 'assholes' here are people like you
> >> who
> >> has the chance to stop the horrors these children must endure each
> >> day...yet
> >> you refuse. Don't you dare criticize David Michael for his comments on
> >> the
> >> 9/11...David didn't have the opportunity to stop it from happening....but

> >> you have the opportunity, yet refuse. You're a sorry excuse for a human
> >> being.

>> David Michael was celebrating joyously about the 9/11 murders. He
called for more of them. What in the name of Beelzebub makes you think
he would "stop it from happening"? You might just as well expect Jack
the Ripper to crusade for women's rights.

<deletia>


Joe Bruno

Jeffrey G. Brown

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Dec 14, 2001, 11:16:18 PM12/14/01
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In article <p7bj1uge8a0ql3kb2...@4ax.com>, "Gutless Donnie Ellis"
<d...@seark.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:27:44 -0800, "Kurt Knoll"
> <kkn...@yellowhead16.net> wrote:
>
> >If you are the real Jeffery brown supply proof.
> >Date of Birth
> >Place of Birth
> >First middle and last name
> >
> >Your address
> >Your Phone
> >Your place of work
> >
> >What organizations you belong to.
> >
> >Kurt Knoll..
>
> Kurt, actually we know everyone of those details with the exception of
> place of birth

No, imbecile.

You don't.

Stay stupid, Gutless...

Ken Lewis

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Dec 14, 2001, 11:20:02 PM12/14/01
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:29:03 GMT, William Daffer
<whda...@mediaone.net> wrote:

>"GassenBurnham" <cte6...@centurytel.net> writes:
>
>[snip]
>
>> > Sara in court documents admits someone on this newsgroup as reported
>> > her to children's protective services. Sara herself admits to being
>> > investigated by them in at least two states.
>> >
>>
>> I wonder who reported the abuse. :-)
>>
>
> 'Kalvatis', most likely.
>
>> Notice how Morris (defender of child molestation) has gone TILT! He
>> gets really pissed when someone helps children in need.
>
> Tell me, do you enjoy being such a despicable person?

Well it is certainly the best he can hope to attain to.

Kurt Knoll

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Dec 14, 2001, 11:36:56 PM12/14/01
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If I was you brownshit I would take a patent out on your Brain it's one
of a kind.

Kurt knoll.
============


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William Daffer

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Dec 15, 2001, 12:08:26 AM12/15/01
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kle...@netbbistro.com (Ken Lewis) writes:

[snip]

> >> Notice how Morris (defender of child molestation) has gone TILT! He
> >> gets really pissed when someone helps children in need.
> >
> > Tell me, do you enjoy being such a despicable person?
>
> Well it is certainly the best he can hope to attain to.

True.

whd
--
Gord McFee:
God the Father ordained the crucifixion of the Messiah.

Joe Bellinger:
And punished the *entire Jewish nation* for the sin of their
leaders in engineering the death of the Messiah by a decision of
their own free will, all predicted by Christ Himself.

[emphasis by whd]

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