Anti-Semitism
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by Laureen Moe
SUMMARY:
The word "anti-Semitism" is inadequate. It is a misnomer. The word was
coined in 1879 from the Greek words "anti", meaning "against" and
"Semite", meaning a descendant of Shem. The word was first used by
Wilhelm Marr a German agitator, who created it to explain the current
anti-Jewish campaigns in Europe. Since the Arab peoples are also
Semitic people it is not the best expression. Anti-Jewish, and Jew-
hatred, are more descriptive. It is more than just prejudice. The word
came into general use in the past hundred years and encompasses all
forms of hostility manifested toward Jews throughout history.
There can be economic and social or racial anti-Semitism. It didn't
reach epidemic proportions until 175 B.C. Previous uprisings against
Jews were not really anti-Semitic. It began almost exclusively in
countries which later became part of the Roman Empire. Prejudice flared
it seems because Jewish people in honouring their Jewish laws, appeared
to be in defiance of Gentile governments. The false assumption began to
emerge that Jews didn't have any respect for whatever was held in
esteem by the rest of humanity.
In the Greek Hellenistic period no other nation denied the gods of it's
neighbours; on the contrary they recognized those gods, identifying
them with their own deities. These heathen "gods" created a social bond
between people in their domains. None of the people refrained from
dining at table with their neighbours and from partaking of the
sacrifices offered to their gods except the Jews. None of the peoples
refused to send gifts to its neighbours temples, except the Jews. None
of the peoples was unequivocally hostile to intermarriage except the
Jews.
In the eastern Mediterranean area friction arose over the difference in
occupations between Jews and Gentiles. The Jewish population was
engaged primarily in small scale farming; the non-Jewish population
occupied itself primarily in commerce. The sea trade was almost
entirely in the hands of the trans-Jordanian cities, which connected
Syria, Asia Minor and the regions of the Euphrates with the Arabian
countries. The inhabitants of Eretz Israel had connections abroad.
Non-Jews also knew that Jews looked upon their land as their divine
inheritance.
The first serious manifestation of anti-Semitism was in the days of the
Syrian, Antiochus Epiphanes in 175 B.C. Hellenistic rulers saw the
unfriendliness of the Jews as obstacles to the cultural scene. He
undertook to destroy those laws of the Talmud that he regarded as
unacceptable to humanity. To this end he desecrated their place of
worship by sacrificing a pig on their altar in Jerusalem, and ordered
that the residual juices be sprinkled over the Holy Books containing
these Jewish laws.
Greek authors in the first century portrayed the Jewish people as
descendants of a mob of lepers. They further stated that because of
this uncleanness Jews shunned the flesh of pigs, since pigs were more
prone to contract disease. The Gentiles knew that their own pagan
religions and practices rendered them unclean in the eyes of the Jews.
The fact remains that even after four thousand years the idea of a
covenant between the Jews and Jehovah is still alive; and is mentioned
daily in prayers in synagogues throughout the world. The idea of a
covenant with God has remained constant. Because Jehovah is immortal He
never dies and because He never dies He never has to be reincarnated.
Thus the Jews dispensed with the reincarnation rites of the pagans. The
Jews' God was invisible. The concept of "one God", Jehovah, being
completely withdrawn from sexuality led to a curb of licentious
impulses through inner discipline. By contrast ,the Greek gods
themselves set the pattern for the unbridled lust and perversion which
finally weakened the moral fibre of that people; whereas the Jews, even
when they later came in contact with the Greeks, refused to indulge in
the Grecian sexual excesses, which included even temple prostitution.
The Jewish religion did away with all fertility rites.
As a consequence of the Jewish dietary laws, intermarriage was
forbidden and no real social intercourse with gentiles was possible.
Also, Jews refused to enter into Emperor worship. It was considered to
be an expression of loyalty to the state. About their own religious
practices a libel began to circulate that Jews actually sacrificed
humans on their altars, allegedly using the blood for Passover rites.
Further it was said that the sacrificed person must be a Christian or
one of their children. This became known as the "Blood Libel" against
the Jews. It mattered not that it was a total fabrication.
Another libel circulating was that unclean leprous people were expelled
from Egypt, and that the Jews were these people. Therefore, being
foreigners, it was stated that the Jews had no right to claim ancient
Israel as their divinely given land.
The destruction of the temple by Titus in 70 AD was seen as hatred by
God of the Jews, and as punishment. Jews in Rome felt the barbs of
Roman writers. Nero's teacher was anti-Semitic. Cornelius Tacitus wrote
about every libellous fabrication against Jews that he could find in
Greek anti-Semitic literature. Juvenal wrote a poem revealing that to
him the Jews were hateful not only to man but to the gods as well.
In the fourth century AD, when Constantine became the Roman Emperor and
supposedly converted to Christianity, he harnessed Political power to
Religion and passed anti-Jewish laws, whereby Jews were excluded from
every sphere of political influence, and denied civic rights.
The Gospel accounts began to be the source from which wrong teachings
grew, until the word "Deicide" meant the Jews killed God, and were
labelled "Christ-killers". Matthew 27:25 which spoke of some Jewish
leaders was used instead to apply to all Jews: "His blood be on us and
on our children...Ye are of your father the devil."
Converts to Christianity and converts to Judaism sparked a seriously
divisive rivalry. Religious competition began between the Greek fathers
of the Church, and Jews. Church laws were passed whereby Jewish
relations with Christian women was now punishable by death.
Anti-Semitism at this time was mainly limited to the clergy, who were
the educated minority.
Islam arose in the seventh century AD, and also attacked the Jews
because the Jews did not recognize Muhammad as a legitimate Prophet.
The Koran contained their writings; and many statements in it were
hostile to Jews. In the Middle Ages church councils legislated to
prevent contact with the Jews because Christians were saying after
visiting synagogues that the Jews were better priests.
This historical background of centuries of anti-Semitism eventually
exploded in the 20th century "Holocaust". The hostility and hatred
manifested in the holocaust was therefore not new. As we have stated
ancient writings contain much anti-Semitism. In pre-Roman times most
people did not read or write. At times, Rome tried to eradicate Judaism
and "Jewishness". Followers were assumed to be treasonous and
subversive. This in turn led to major revolts on the part of the Jewish
community.
The following is a brief summary of Incidents involving Jews in
History... 135 B.C
Antiochus Epiphanes desecrates Second Jewish Temple; leading to
Hasmonean Revolt against Rome.
70 A.D.
Titus took Jerusalem - second revolt. Over one million Jews killed.
136 A.D.
580,000 men destroyed, 985 towns destroyed - third revolt.
300 A.D.
Purim festival celebrating God's deliverance to Mordecai and the Jews
through Esther and the fasting. Lies spread that Jews kill Christians
for sacrifice. Emperor Severus also said the Jews purchased 90,000
Christians to kill them.
306 A.D.
Council in Spain banned Christians & Jews meeting or marrying.
325 A.D.
Constantine changed the celebration of Easter on the calendar so that
it did not coincide with the Jewish Passover.
379 A.D.
Vicious writing by St. John Chrysostom and St. Ambrose in Milan who
said: "The Jews are the most worthless of all men. They are lecherous,
greedy, rapacious. They are perfidious murderers of Christ. They
worship the Devil. Their religion is a sickness. The Jews are the
odious assassins of Christ and for killing God there is no expiation
possible, no indulgence or pardon. Christians may never cease
vengeance, and the Jew must live in servitude forever. God always hated
the Jews. It is essential that all Christians hate them." He was called
the Bishop with the Golden Tongue. St. Ambrose, Bishop of the Church
offered to burn the synagogue himself.
395 A.D.
St. Gregory of Nyssa in sermons and writings characterized Jews as
assassins of the Prophets, companions of the Devil, a race of vipers, a
Sanhedrin of Demons, enemies of all that is beautiful, hogs and goats
in their lewd grossness.
415 A.D.
Bishop Severus BURNED THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE VILLAGE OF MAGONA. BISHOP OF
ALEXANDRIA, ST. CYRIL EXPELLED JEWS FROM ALEXANDRIA AND GAVE THE MOB
JEWISH PROPERTY.
ACCUSATION of Ritual murder by the Jews during Purim. Christians
confiscated synagogues in ANTIOCH.
These were not hooligans but Church Fathers!
AUGUSTINE, JEROME, AMBROSE AND LESSER SAINTS AS ST. CHRYSOSTROM AND
CYRIL, added to untruths the new ones that Jews were dishonest and
prone to sexual perversions.
717 A.D.
Jews had to wear special yellow garb. Originated in Islam.
1012 A.D.
Emperor Henry II of Germany expels Jews from Mainz, the beginning of
persecutions against Jews in Germany.
1096 A.D.
First Crusade. Crusaders massacre the Jews of the Rhineland.
1144 A.D.
First recorded blood libel. In Norwich it was alleged that the Jews had
"bought a Christian child before Easter, tortured him with all the
tortures wherewith our Lord was tortured and on Friday hanged him on a
rood in hatred of our Lord." (England)
This notorious allegation that Jews murder non-Jews, especially
Christians, in order to obtain blood for the Passover or other rituals
is a complex of deliberate lies, trumped up accusations, and popular
beliefs about the murder-lust of the Jews and their blood-thirstiness,
based on the conception that Jews hate Christianity and mankind in
general. It is combined with the delusion that Jews are in some way not
human and must have recourse to special remedies and subterfuges in
order to appear at least outwardly, like other men. The blood libel led
to trials and massacres of Jews. Its origin is rooted in ancient almost
primordial, concepts concerning the potency and energies of blood. It
is one of the most terrible expressions of human cruelty and credulity.
These blood rituals are expressly forbidden in Judaism. (See Leviticus
17;11 etc.)
1190 A.D.
Massacre of Jews in England.
1215 A.D.
The Jewish badge introduced.
1240 A.D.
Talmud burned in France.
1290 A.D.
Jews expelled from England.
1298 A.D.
Massacre of thousands in Germany, in 146 localities.
1306 A.D.
Expulsion from France.
1348 A.D.
JEWS blamed for the BLACK DEATH. Charge laid to the Jews that they
POISONED the wells to kill CHRISTIANS.
1389 A.D.
MASSACRES in Bohemia, Spain.
1421 A.D.
270 JEWS BURNED AT THE STAKE. In the 14th and 15th centuries the
Inquisition was more intense because the Church and State joined
forces. Just being Jewish guaranteed persecution
1480 A.D.
Inquisition in Spain - Jews and Christians burned at the stake.
1483 A.D.
EXPULSIONS from Warsaw, Sicily, Lithuania, Portugal.
1492 A.D.
ALL JEWS EXPELLED FROM SPAIN.
1506 A.D.
Murders in Lisbon - 4000, "conversos", men, women, and children thrown
from windows to street mobs below, due to preaching by Dominicans
against the Jews.
1510 A.D.
EXPELLED from Brandenburg, Germany.
1516 A.D.
Venice initiates the ghetto, the first in Christian Europe.
1544 A.D.
The Reformation. At the end of Martin Luther's life the German reformer
vilified the Jews in violent pamphlets which could not fail to exert
their influence. But because Calvinists were steeped in Old Testament
theology, the Dutch people respected the Jews as "the Chosen" people;
and were not anti-Semitic in their faith. The reformation was a time of
turmoil as the Roman Church and feudalism lost their supremacy. There
was a rising up of Nationhood and Luther was a German nationalist. The
Talmud was seized and burned everywhere by Papal authority. Jews in
Catholic countries and Polish Jews suffered greatly. Luther's
anti-Semitic writings were later used in anti-Semitic literature.
1553 A.D.
Rome seized and burned the Talmud by order of the POPE.
1559 A.D.
12,000 copies of Talmud burned in Milan.
1569 A.D.
POPE PIUS V ordered all Jews out of the Papal states.
1593 A.D.
EXPULSIONS from Italy and Bavaria.
1598 A.D.
Ritual murder charge that sent three Jews to their deaths. Execution of
the supposed guilty was done by QUARTERING. (In his book the "Birth of
the Prison" Michel Foucault describes at length the quartering of a
condemned man in 1757. It was done eventually by six horses instead of
the four original ones and other means had to come in to play due to
the failure even of six horses as the prisoners limbs were tied to
ropes harnessed to the horses. Each horse pulled in a different
direction. One horse fell to the ground unsuccessfully. Knives had to
be used for severing...)
1614 A.D.
JEWS attacked and driven out of Frankfurt, Germany.
1624 A.D.
GHETTO established in Ferrara, Italy.
1648 A.D.
Leader of the Cossacks, in the Ukraine massacres 100,000 Jews and
destroyed 300 communities.
1655 A.D.
Massacres of Jews in war against Sweden & Russia by Poland.
1715 A.D.
POPE PIUS VI issues edict against Jews.
1768 A.D.
20,000 Jews in Poland killed.
1805 A.D.
MASSACRE of Jews in Algeria.
1840 A.D.
BLOOD LIBEL in DAMASCUS.
1853 A.D.
BLOOD LIBEL in RUSSIA.
1858 A.D.
THE MORTARA CASE: Catholics abduct a 7 yr. old Jewish child. A Catholic
servant baptized a Jewish child when the child was seriously ill and
the church of Rome seized the child. Outcry had no effect on the POPE.
1879 A.D.
Word anti-Semitism comes into existence.
1881 A.D.
POGROMS BEGAN. The word is of Russian origin. It designates attack,
accompanied by destruction, looting of property, murder, rape. There
were three major outbreaks in Russia. The word designates more
particularly the attacks carried out by the Christian population. Each
pogrom surpassed the other in savagery.
KIEV, ODESSA; Here murder of whole families was a common occurrence.
Partial data are available for 530 communities in which 887 major
pogroms and 349 minor pogroms occurred. There were 60,000 dead and
several times that many were wounded.
1882 A.D.
FIRST ANTI-JEWISH CONGRESS HELD. In Dresden, Germany.
1894 A.D.
ALFRED DREYFUS TRIAL in France. Details follow further on in this
summary.
1903 A.D.
APPEARANCE of a new issue of the PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION. In
Russia.
This spectre of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy aiming at reducing the
Gentiles to slavery or extermination loomed up in the medieval
Christian imagination and grew out of legends about well poisonings and
plague spreading. It was concocted in Paris by an unknown author
working for the Russian secret police. It was an alleged conference of
the leaders of World Jewry. It was translated into all the world
languages. In 1963 a Spanish edition was published. During World War
II, the Protocols of the elders of Zion became an implicit
justification for the GENOCIDE of the Jews and Nazi propaganda relied
on them until the last days of the Third Reich. Smaller pamphlets of it
have been distributed in B.C. 1983 published in California... Required
reading in most Arab countries, in schools, to this day.
1905 A.D.
Russian pogroms continue. Also in Morocco, Ukraine, 300 dead.
1919 A.D.
3000 Jews killed in Hungarian pogroms.
1920 A.D.
Appearance of ADOLPH HITLER. Also Henry Ford the 1st believes the
Protocols; and publishes anti-Jewish articles in his newspaper, the
Dearborn Independent.
1925 A.D.
MEIN KAMPH appears. Hitler's Plan published in Germany.
1933 A.D.
HITLER appointed chancellor in Germany.
1935 A.D.
Hitler writes his Nuremberg Laws which lead to his Final Solution.
1938 A.D.
Burning in AUSTRIA & GERMANY of Synagogues. Jews sent to concentration
camps. Beginnings of the Holocaust.
1939 A.D.
Germany overruns Poland.
1940 A.D.
Gassing, shootings in Polish Ghettos (Jewish).
1941 A.D.
EXPULSION of Jews from the German Reich to Poland. Riots against Jews
in Iraq.
1942 A.D.
Mass transports of Jews from Belgium & Holland.
1944 A.D.
EXTERMINATION OF HUNGARIAN JEWS.
1945 A.D.
HOLOCAUST Final Count: 6,000,000 Jews slaughtered.
1946 A.D.
Pogroms in Poland - 42 Jews murdered.
1948 A.D.
BIRTH OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. Also Jewish intellectuals shot in Russia.
1952 A.D.
Jews murdered byCommunists, and others disappear. Prague trials. Murder
of Yiddish intellectuals in Russia and many sent to work camps..
1956 A.D.
Jews expelled out of EGYPT.
1967 A.D.
SIX DAY WAR. Also new publication of Elders of Zion in Arabic.
1968 A.D.
Emigration of last remaining Jews in Poland.
1969 A.D.
JEWS EXECUTED IN IRAQ.
1970 A.D.
Beginning of imprisonment in Russia of PRISONERS OF CONSCIENCE.
("Refuseniks")
1980 A.D.
Russian imprisonments carry on throughout the 70's to the 80's.
1982 A.D.
War in Lebanon begins after many years of terrorist attacks against the
Jews in the Upper Galilee area from the vantage point of Beaufort
Castle. Many Lebanese killed over long period of time, but was ignored
by the News Media. War in Lebanon gets slanted coverage.
1983 A.D.
Word from Christians in Israel that the PLO planned their next
battleground to be Canada via Quebec. Documented proof that Russia
planned in 1982 to attack Israel.
CONCLUSION:
The above catalogue is only the tip of the iceberg! One would think
that anti-Jewish atrocities would have ended with the nightmare of the
Holocaust. One-third of the world's Jews were murdered by an ungodly
German conspiracy that had accused the Jews of "conspiracy". It is not
often emphasized that two-thirds of the world's Jews survived; and that
due to the faithfulness of their G-d. God has again, as in times past,
protected them from total extermination, as He promised. (the Book of
Esther, and Jeremiah 31:35-37)
The Holocaust was the final catalyst which led to the re-creation of
the State of Israel in 1948. But we have to go back at the very least
to the DREYFUS CASE to understand the long range process.
Alfred Dreyfus was the son of a wealthy Alsatian family in France. He
entered the French Army in 1892 and became a Captain, and the only Jew.
He was framed by a fellow officer for allegedly giving secrets to the
enemy, arrested and tried for treason. He was sentenced to life
imprisonment. Eventually Emile Zola took up the fight proclaiming the
man's innocence and published an open letter to the President of France
titled "I ACCUSE." Dreyfus was eventually declared unjustly convicted
by the Parliament of France. The injustice was totally motivated by
Jew-hatred.
During the course of the trumped-up trial a Jewish journalist became
involved; and he was the man that was to lead the Jews back to their
Land. His name was THEODORE HERZL (1860 - 1904 A.D.) and he called
European Jewry together in Basle, Switzerland in 1897 at the now famous
"First World Zionist Congress". There in 1897 he publicly predicted to
friend and foe alike that the Jews would be back in "the Land" of
Palestine "within 50 years". In 1947, exactly fifty years later the
United Nations passed the "Resolution For the Partition of Palestine",
which lead to the declaration of Statehood on May 14,1948.
With the shouts of "death" to the Jews still ringing in his ears from
the Dreyfus Trial, Herzl became convinced that the only solution was
the mass exodus of the Jews from their present places of residence to a
territory of their own... So out of the suffering of the Dreyfus family
came the State of Israel. Herzl became the father of Political Zionism
and founder of the World Zionist organization.
Herzl was born in Budapest. He left a German students society in 1883
in protest against his first encounter with anti-Semitism. He came
across this "Jewish problem" again and again in his life. Although he
graduated in 1884 with a doctorate of law he left the legal profession
and became a famous writer. He wrote many literary works, some of them
plays.
In 1891 he became the Paris correspondent of a Vienna newspaper. He
pursued politics and organized the first Zionist Congress is Basle in
1897. (In 1960, Israel issued a centenary stamp with a well known
painting of Herzl on the bridge at Basle.) The World Zionist
organization was formed. He was chairman and remained so for the next
five congresses. He knew Great Britain would be the deciding factor in
the realization of Zionist aims. In 1917 the Balfour Declaration became
the launching-pad for the founding of the modern Jewish state.
Herzl did not have an easy task. Even his own people were difficult on
this issue. His heart failed in 1904. He did not live to see the
creation of Israel in 1948. But in 1949 he was laid to rest, reinterred
in a place that was named in his honour Mount Herzl, in Jerusalem. A
Herzl monument stands nearby. The anniversary of his death on the 20th
of Tammuz was declared a National Memorial Day in Israel. In the April
1983 issue of the NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, following a report on Jerusalem
there is a picture that could be titled: "The sorrow of the Jewish
People". There are three young Israeli ladies, soldiers, who happen to
be very beautiful standing or kneeling at the Herzl Tomb site where
there are three new graves...the first soldiers to die in the 1982
conflict in Lebanon.
1983 was the 50th anniversary of Hitler's rise to power; since he was
made chancellor in 1933. There was an extensive report on this subject
in the April 1983 issue of the Jerusalem Post. Their man in Bonn
stated: "There has been no substantial break with the past. Therefore
West German Democracy must continue to be subject to question by
Germans more than by anyone else." The Post also offered these words
which are worth contemplating. Perhaps you never considered this. I had
not...
"The destruction that Hitler brought on his own people ranks only after
the mass murder he committed on the Jews and the destruction and death
rained upon the Soviet Union. He left Germany not only physically
ruined, but stripped of its' self respect, ashamed of its' place in
human history, uncertain of its' identity, seeking refuge in the
compulsive reconstruction of material damage."
They also mentioned...
"The war Hitler unleashed and the organized mass murder that was a
central part of his design cost the lives of 40 million human beings in
Europe alone. Among them 6,000,000 Jews - two-thirds of the Jews in
Europe. More than 6,000,000 of his own people also died and others were
left hungry."
God promised Abraham: "I will bless those who bless you (and your
descendants); and I will curse those who curse you" (Genesis 12:1-3) We
can see that the Germans have paid an awful price for allowing this man
to lead them down a path contrary to Scripture, by declaring them to be
a super race. The man who wanted to obtain the whole world, gained
nothing but eternal damnation. He and those who followed him lost
everything.
What about Canada?
Most of us would be quick to say that our hands are clean. A truly
shocking indictment of our role in the Holocaust can be found in the
book "None is Too Many". This title was taken from a statement made by
an immigration official when a delegation of Jews went to Ottawa in
1939 to ask: "How many Jews will Canada take in?" The Immigration
Minister answered "None is too many".
The authors, Irving Abella and Harold Troper, published this book in
1982 and was on the Canadian Best Sellers List. They received an award
early in 1983 for it. It is thoroughly researched and documented proof
that our top bureaucrat in the Immigration Department, Fred Blair, a
professing Christian, wanted no Jews in Canada and did everything he
could in the way of roadblocks to prevent it. In studying it I find I
want to scream with the agony of our shame.
MacKenzie King didn't want them. Perhaps he was too busy talking to his
dead mother and his dead dog as he gazed into his crystal ball (all
told in his published diaries). The authors record that Canada's Prime
Minister thought Hitler had a good face and that he was sweet. King was
deathly afraid of what Quebec would do if he gave in and allowed in
refugees. The French -Canadian press was very hostile to Jews (Le
Devoir). There was also a very vocal fascist Party in Quebec; headed by
Adrianne Arcand.
Blair had the opportunity to rescue thousands, but wouldn't budge on
his restrictive policy. He just didn't want any Jewish immigrants.
Lester Pearson said that we didn't have a boat. Ottawa would not listen
either to the pleas of George Vanier; even though he was Canadian
Ambassador to France and was there on the scene.
Conservative Robert Manion didn't want any either. In the midst of all
of the obstruction the Toronto Globe & Mail asked at one point "Does
Canada stand for anything?" Manion wanted no Jews as long as Canadians
were unemployed. Ernest LaPointe of Quebec and the Le Devoir newspaper
and Vincent Massey of External Affairs wanted Jews kept out of Canada.
Massey was a fringe member of the Pro-German anti-Semitic Cliveden set
centred around Lord and Lady Astor in London; where Vincent was
Canadian High Commissioner.
We had one social worker on the scene and her name was Charlotte
Whitton, outspoken Mayor of Ottawa. She fiercely fought not to have
Jewish children here as she favoured British children. She led a
movement to evacuate endangered British mothers and children. The
Canadian Jewish Congress saw her as an enemy of Jewish immigration.
Oscar Cohen said she "almost broke up the inaugural meeting of the
congress on Refugees by her insistent opposition and very apparent
anti-Semitism."
The saddest story I have ever read in my life is the whole chapter from
the Abella book titled "The children that never came." It takes care of
any pride we may have in being Canadians. It is documented evidence 25
pages in length of continuous pleading on behalf of officials in places
like France and Poland to take children whose lives were in immediate
danger. Blair's hard hearted efforts lead to the declaration in the end
of that chapter that reads: "There were no more schemes to help...save
the refugee children. None were needed." By the time of the allied
invasion of France in June 1944 most of these children had been
murdered. NOT ONE of them had made it to Canada! They had been talking
at times about as many as 5000.
I am happy to report that good has come out of the publishing of this
book. The authors report that Lloyd Axworthy, current Minister of
Immigration, apologized for the behaviour of predecessors and promised
that it would never happen again. But also having read some papers by
these authors prior to publication, Ron Atkey, former Conservative
Minister of Immigration, took the responsibility and opened the doors
to the BOAT PEOPLE because he did not want to be known as another
Frederick Blair.
In "Bridges for Peace", the 1983 issue from Tulsa, Oklahoma we read
about the state of anti-Semitism as in this day, media coverage is
slanted.
"While some would have you believe the world is becoming a better place
and anti-Semitism is on the wane, I believe that careful observation
will prove otherwise. In the last two years, we have seen a growing
double standard used by the media in reporting events concerning
Israel. And as we saw this past summer in Greece, Italy, and France,
this very distorted, even false media reporting about Israel's
involvement in Lebanon resulted in attacks against local Jewish
communities solely because they were Jewish; regardless of their
affiliation with Israel. For example: In France a video tape of a
Palestinian boy holding his bleeding, dying sister was repeatedly shown
as the result of an aggressive Jewish attack on civilians in Lebanon.
Local Frenchmen, incensed by this news, staged an anti-Israel,
anti-Jewish march which culminated in the bombing of synagogues and
Jewish owned businesses killing many. It was later proven that this
video tape was six years old and showing the destruction of the
Tel-Zatar refugee camp by the SYRIANS in 1976. Jews were NOT even
involved but the ugly head of Anti-Semitism had already shown itself."
AND SO IT NEVER SEEMS TO END.
But it will. One day the Bible says we shall take the hem of the Jews'
skirt and go with them to Zion because we know God is with them.
Zechariah tells us that the Lord will come and place His feet on the
Mount of Olives. He will fight for His people Israel against all the
nations of the world. All the land of Israel will dwell in safety and
peace when the Messiah comes. He will rule and reign from Jerusalem,
the Son of David, sitting on David's throne. (Read 2 Samuel 7:11-16;
and Psalm 2:6-8;and 89:20-37)
Regardless of Israel's sins of the past the Lord will forgive, cleanse,
and restore (Jeremiah 31:31-34).
Christians throughout the world are awakening to a call to stand by the
side of the Jewish people. Beginning in 1979 Christians in Jerusalem
rallied to her side when the governments of the World began to pull
their embassies out of Jerusalem in fear because of the Arab oil power.
The "International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem" was established. With
people like Jan Willem Van Der Hoeven and the Comfort Zion ministry of
Merv and Merla Watson, Jews are beginning to be provoked to jealousy.
They are watching Christian love in action; and hope is being reborn
when they see 5000 Christians celebrating during the Jewish "Feast of
Tabernacles", dancing with joy on Mount Zion and supporting them in
their hour of need.
If Canada's Joe Clark had kept his promise to move our embassy to
Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, he would have done better. Six months after
breaking his promise he ceased to be Prime Minister; and twelve months
later he was removed as Leader of the Progressive-Conservative Party.
Coincidence? God hears our promises; even "election promises". The
Scripture says God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those
who curse her. Every nation that has persecuted the Jews has, in the
long run, inherited the negative side of God's promise to Abram: "and I
will curse those who curse you (and your descendants)."
SO IN CONCLUSION:
Anti-Semitism is a venomous condition of the heart of man and not just
prejudice, hatred or discrimination. Jealousy and envy of the Jew more
than anything else seems to be the main root of this condition. It is a
spiritual problem. But Jeremiah said it best and it is truth from God's
Word... "The heart is deceitful, and desperately wicked; who can know
it?".
Anti-Semitism engages man in a conduct that is: inconceivable,
unbelievable, shocking, grotesque, incomprehensible, unthinkable,
inhumane and intolerable.
This information has been gleaned from Alan Lazerte's course on
anti-Semitism given at Fraserview Assembly, January, February and March
1983 as Director of the Canadian Friends of the International Christian
Embassy, Jerusalem.
BIBLIOGRAPHY:
Bridges for Peace-current news direct from Christians in Israel through
Tulsa.
The Jerusalem Post - current news direct from Jews in Israel.
The ISRAEL POCKET LIBRARY BOOK ON ANTI-SEMITISM.
Canadian Book "None is Too Many", Irving Abella and Harold Troper.
Friends of the Christian Embassy Canada, Israel Report.
Jews' God and History; by Max I. Dimont. A Signet Book.
The information from this course was a shock to most of us; it was an
eye opener in many ways, especially regarding the Christians
persecution of the Jew; which contributed to the Nazi attempt to
totally exterminate them. This essay was written as a requirement of
taking seriously Alan's attempt to put the course together. He did his
part as teacher excellently. God has chosen well. I was eager to learn.
At Alan' suggestion this essay is being printed to circulate to others
who may not have a chance to attend the lectures. It is also printed to
cement my own vow before God to bridge the gap and make amends to the
Jew for the way Christians, the Canadian Government and others have
failed them.
I dedicate this to the children that never came; and to my brother who
died trying to stop a mad man that was on the loose in Germany.
Waldo
[Snipped: The long screed of a Jewess in denial, helping to perpetuate
the self-destructive plight of a people in denial]
> SO IN CONCLUSION:
> Anti-Semitism is a venomous condition of the heart of man and not just
> prejudice, hatred or discrimination. Jealousy and envy of the Jew more
> than anything else seems to be the main root of this condition. It is a
> spiritual problem. But Jeremiah said it best and it is truth from God's
> Word... "The heart is deceitful, and desperately wicked; who can know
> it?".
Translation: While bigotry against, by or between *other* groups of
people is merely simple "prejudice, hatred or discrimination",
bigotry against *Jews* is different: Jews believe that this hatred is
SPIRITUAL in nature (Please note the distinction between
"religious" and "spiritual").
To understand this seemingly bizarre perspective, one must understand
that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different, special,
unique.
To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
Unbelievable, you say?: (emphasis and brackets marked "W." mine,
other brackets in original)
<quote>
______________________________
The Jewish Soul
The Divine Soul is found *only* among the Jewish people and has no
comparison among the nations [non-Jews-W.] of the world. In the merit
of the *superiority* of their souls the Jewish people are called
"children of G-d". Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi, author of the Tanya,
writes in chapter 2 of that book: The verses, "My son, my first born,
Israel" and "You are sons of the Lord your G-d" mean that just as a
child derives from his father's brain, from which his life was
generated, so too, so to speak, the soul of Israel [Jews-W.] are drawn
from the thought and wisdom of the Holy One, blessed is He.
G-d's candle is man's soul - the souls of *Jewish people* are drawn
down from their divine source to be enclothed in a physical body, in
order to illuminate this lowly and dark world with Divine Light, to
transform darkness into light.
The Jewish Body
Not only as regards the soul, but also as regards the *body*, there is
a *difference* between a Jew and a non-Jew. The body of a Jew also
earns the love of G-d, as our Sages state, "You are called 'Adam'
['man'], and the nations of the world are not called 'Adam'. [non-Jews
are NOT called "man"-W.]" This is because the Jewish people were
born in purity. [As opposed to the non-Jewish people who were born
in...?-W]
[Maamorim 5703, p. 162 (3)]
In Tanya chapter 49, Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Liadi writes that "You
chose us from among all the nations and tongues" refers to the physical
body of a Jew, which is comparable to the physical body of the gentiles
in *outward appearance*. The Holy One, blessed is He, chose the Jewish
body to be a vessel for his soul, so that through the mitzvot a Jew
does with his physical body, he attaches and binds himself to G-d.
Here too the statement "beloved is Israel" is connected with the second
statement, "even a greater love that it was made know to them" etc. The
physical body of the Jewish people is beloved because of their souls.
The Holy One, blessed is He, chose the physical body of a Jew because
of the service which his soul does.
[The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Likkutei Sichot, vol. 15 p. 62 (3)]
___________________________________
</quote>
Thoroughly Jewish source:
http://www.kabbalaonline.org/Holydays/shabbat/Avot_314.asp
With this insight into Jewish dogma (which has been inculcated into the
neural network Jewish brains for thousands of years), one begins to
understand the Jews' "confusion" as to the causes of so-called
"anti-Semitism".
It comes down to a question of right or wrong:
If the Jewish teachings (as outlined above) are right - IF Jews ARE
"Chosen", special in the eyes of "G_d", and the only true
humans - and IF the "Nations" [all non-Jews] were created by the
Jewish god for the sole purpose of serving (and when appropriate,
punishing) the Jews, then "anti-Semitism" is indeed a "spiritual
problem" (as expressed by Ms Moe, above).
So if Jews ARE right, Gentiles can in NO WAY be faulted for any
expression of "anti-Semitism", as they are merely *tools* that the
god of the Jews uses to punish his "Chosen", and any resentment
that any Jew may have toward those "tools of G_d" would be an
offense to the god himself.
If the Jews are WRONG, and Jews are just people like everyone else,
then their bizarre, bigoted, racist belief system has done them a
horrendous disservice: Laboring under the delusion that, as "G_d's
Chosen", the non-Jew was created *solely* to serve them, the Jew
might be inclined to believe that non-Jews are merely a resource to be
exploited and plundered at his leisure, and that he can do no more
"wrong" by abusing, cheating or manipulating Gentiles than he could
by slaughtering a cow, plowing a field or plucking an apple from a
tree.
Believing in this madness, the Jew might be completely befuddled at the
idea that the non-Jew may complain - let alone *retaliate* when the
"Chosen" abuses, manipulates or mistreats him or his society, and
cannot conceive of the idea that it may be JEWISH BEHAVIOR that
continuously invokes the wrath of the non-Jew.
Apparently, honest introspection is as foreign to the Jewish mindset as
flying is to penguins, so the Jew continues to do the same thing - over
and over and over, and is dumbfounded and amazed when he continues to
get the *same* results, over and over and over.
So if Jews are WRONG, and they are not "Chosen People", but simply
people, like everyone else, they are doing themselves a great
disservice by continuing to live in a deluded fantasy which forces them
to blame everyone *but* themselves for anything and everything that
"happens" to them.
But whether the Jews are right or wrong, "Chosen" or self-deluded,
the Jewish habit of continuously blaming non-Jews for the woes they
suffer serves no one - least of all the Jews themselves.
**
Waldo
Observer at Large
Waldo
[Snipped: The long screed of a Jewess in denial, helping to perpetuate
the self-destructive plight of a people in denial]
> SO IN CONCLUSION:
> Anti-Semitism is a venomous condition of the heart of man and not just
> prejudice, hatred or discrimination. Jealousy and envy of the Jew more
> than anything else seems to be the main root of this condition. It is a
> spiritual problem. But Jeremiah said it best and it is truth from God's
> Word... "The heart is deceitful, and desperately wicked; who can know
> it?".
Translation: While bigotry against, by or between *other* groups of
jimj1...@yahoo.com
BECOMING THE MOST HATED GROUP IN THE USA
Though Jews represent only about 2% of the USA's population (secular
Jews are about 80% of all American Jews), they are doing immeasurable
damage to America by undermining its core values, basic principles,
Christian majority beliefs and practices, right to sovereignty and
secure borders, right to national unity and singular culture, and right
to enforce current immigration laws against illegal aliens.
Through their actions and relentless activism in the areas of
legislation, journalism, and popular media/culture, many secular Jews
are quickly creating tens of millions of WASP American enemies. Over
the past 50 years, Jews have increasingly gained a reputation of being
American deconstructionists, hence anti-American. Unfortunately, it
seems Jews haven't heeded lessons of their past mistakes. They inhabit
an area and quickly infuriate the natives through their activism
against the natives' ideals, culture, and creed. As a result, they are
persecuted. This pattern has repeated itself for thousands of years.
The latest chapter sees this happening in the United States.
SECULAR AMERICAN JEWS AND THEIR SUPPORT FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS
In light of the current raging national debate regarding illegal
aliens, the vast majority of American Jews have sided with illegal
aliens. Their siding with illegal aliens is not a passive one. Its a
highly aggressive... a legal, journalistic, and popular media assault
against all Americans who simply want current immigration laws
enforced, want illegal aliens deported, and want America's borders
secured. It should be noted there are a handful of Jews fully against
illegal immigration (a few radio talk show hosts, for example), but the
vast majority of secular American Jews are clearly on the side of
illegal aliens. They fight for illegals' so-called "rights" with
tenacious, relentlessly passion. Regardless of the fact that massive
immigration into the USA from Latin American 3rd world countries will
no doubt destroy the current way of life in America, Jews press on and
push for amnesty for illegal aliens along with open borders, thus
enabling tens of millions more 3rd world people to flood into the USA.
SECULAR AMERICAN JEWS AND THEIR ASSAULT ON CHRISTIANITY
The majority of lawyers working for anti-American organizations like
the ACLU and the Southern Poverty Law Center are secular Jews. Their
insane obsession with removing all religious (specifically Christian)
references in public spaces is not motivated by a simple desire to be
true to the Constitution's notion of so-called church/state separation.
Rather their motivation is to de-Christianize America. They began
this assault in earnest during the latter half of the last century by
first attacking religious icons and religious text in public spaces.
With each passing year, we see their attacks more brazen and
outrageous.
SECULAR AMERICAN JEWS AND THEIR ASSAULT ON TRADITIONAL FAMILY VALUES
Secular Jews are the most prominent force in Hollywood/popular culture,
mass media, and every form of journalism. Through their domination
they have, year by year, incrementally taken steps towards transforming
American culture from innocence to decadence. Jews have used the
immeasurable power of TV, film, and music as tools towards shaping
(lowering) American standards, attitudes, values, and beliefs ie.
poisoning American culture. The vast majority of damage has been done
during the past 50 years. In this short time, American popular culture
has gone from "Father Knows Best" to "Sex and the City", from the
innocence of "Marty" (best picture 1955) to hard core pornography, from
The Andrew Sisters to violent gangsta rap. With each succeeding year,
decency standards are "advanced" towards immoral filth, all under the
political cover of "Freedom of Expression" and the exercise of First
Amendment rights.
Society's degradation has naturally followed the degradation of popular
culture, as evidenced by: historically high divorce rates, more
children born out of wedlock than ever before, rampant adultery,
promiscuity reaching the status of normal behavior, skyrocketing teen
pregnancy, out of control crime (especially in large urban areas), and
widespread drug use.
In summary, many secular American Jews are working against America, the
country which gave them refuge from the persecution they experienced in
Europe, Russia, and elsewhere; the country where capitalism and freedom
allowed Jews to flourish and rise to the top of American society.
Kurt Knoll
are you going about it. Your president Bush is a hallelujah gangster and as
you can se he is absolutely helpless it is the Jewish master who will tell
him how big and high he has to jump.
Kurt Knoll.
<jimj1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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GLENN CHARTRAND
sm...@nizkor.org
> aame...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Anti-Semitism: ..... What Is It?
> > by Laureen Moe
> > SUMMARY:
>
> [Snipped: The long screed of a Jewess in denial, helping to perpetuate
> the self-destructive plight of a people in denial]
>
> > SO IN CONCLUSION:
> > Anti-Semitism is a venomous condition of the heart of man and not just
> > prejudice, hatred or discrimination. Jealousy and envy of the Jew more
> > than anything else seems to be the main root of this condition. It is a
> > spiritual problem. But Jeremiah said it best and it is truth from God's
> > Word... "The heart is deceitful, and desperately wicked; who can know
> > it?".
>
> Translation: While bigotry against, by or between *other* groups of
> people is merely simple "prejudice, hatred or discrimination",
> bigotry against *Jews* is different: Jews believe that this hatred is
> SPIRITUAL in nature (Please note the distinction between
> "religious" and "spiritual").
>
> To understand this seemingly bizarre perspective, one must understand
> that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
> dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different, special,
> unique.
I'm sorry, but is there any nation, religion, culture or ethnic
community on earth that does not consider itself "different, special,
unique"? Isn't that what being a group is all about?
> To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
back. Funny how that is.
<snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
it>
Steven Mock
fla...@verizon.net
On 21-Jul-2006, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > To understand this seemingly bizarre perspective, one must understand
> > that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
> > dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different, special,
> > unique.
>
> I'm sorry, but is there any nation, religion, culture or ethnic
> community on earth that does not consider itself "different, special,
> unique"? Isn't that what being a group is all about?
Not in this case.
Waldo is, as always, lying.
"Chosen" in the sense that Jews actually use the term
has nothing to do with "being better" than others, or being
"G-d's special little pets."
It means simply "chosen to take His message to the world."
As the old joke goes "Maybe You could choose someone else for awhile....?"
Susan
Waldo
Well then, I'm sure you have a newfound compassion for the German
"Master Race" ideology - which, I might add, was largely borrowed
from the Jewish "Chosen People" dogma.
> > To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> > to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> > accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> > believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> > mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> > their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
>
> Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> back. Funny how that is.
What, not even a "hello Waldo, nice to see you"? You really should
work on your manners, Mr. Mock. But then, I suppose it's largely a
characteristic of your genes, and can't be helped.
And as to your cheap-shot WRT the "meds", Ms Moe stated (above)
that anti-Semitism is a "spiritual problem". Do they make
medications to treat "spiritual problems", Mr. Mock?
And if "anti-Semitism" is indeed a "spiritual problem", is it a
problem of the "anti-Semites", or of the Jews themselves?
> <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> it>
I don't get what? Why, you pegged it right there, Steve. These are
the FUNDAMENTALS of Judaism, and have been for aeons.
Definition of "Fundamental":
A) Of or relating to the foundation or base; elementary: the
fundamental laws of the universe.
B) Forming or serving as an essential component of a system or
structure; central: an example that was fundamental to the argument.
And now that we've defined what "fundamental" means, let's
review what some of the basic foundations/elements/essential components
to Judaism are, and have always been:
<Begin restored snip>
<quote>
______________________________
The Jewish Soul
The Jewish Body
___________________________________
</quote>
</restored snip>
So it would appear that Ms Moe was correct: "Anti-Semitism" is
INDEED a "spiritual problem", a problem that is caused by the
untoward, recalcitrant, misanthropic, and supremacist SPIRITUALLY BASED
BELIEFS of Jews.
The diagnosis is certain. Sadly, this is one disease for which the Jews
must self-medicate.
Anyway, glad to see that you've at least become tolerant of the
German "Master Race"ideology.
Ben Cramer
<sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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But to the degree of labelling themselves the "chosen people"? Answer to
that is a most resounding NO.
>> To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
>> to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
>> accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
>> believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
>> mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
>> their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
>
> Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> back. Funny how that is.
Nothing in the arsenal to counter Waldo's claim I note. Resorting to
innuendo and slur again.
> <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> it>
Shame you don't take heed of the words of this "handful of Jewish
fundamentalists" smockie. It's an enlightening experience to think outside
the box.
Now fuck off. Kennie's knob needs polishing.
Ben Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2Wawg.65$2u4.33@trnddc06...
>
> On 21-Jul-2006, sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
>> Waldo wrote:
>
>
>> > To understand this seemingly bizarre perspective, one must understand
>> > that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
>> > dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different, special,
>> > unique.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but is there any nation, religion, culture or ethnic
>> community on earth that does not consider itself "different, special,
>> unique"? Isn't that what being a group is all about?
>
> Not in this case.
> Waldo is, as always, lying.
You fucking idiot cohen. How many times do you have to be told that it's you
dickheads who hold the monopoly on lying.
> "Chosen" in the sense that Jews actually use the term
> has nothing to do with "being better" than others, or being
> "G-d's special little pets."
That's not what torah says.
> It means simply "chosen to take His message to the world."
That's not what torah says.
Waldo
Hi Susan! How are you?
The problem with blindly swallowing the emanations of Jews like Mr.
Mock, my little shiksa, is their compulsion to circumcise *everything*,
especially the poignant portions of their opponent's posts. So with
Jews, you never get the "whole enchilada", if you follow my
meaning.
Let's reattach the foreskin, and see if you get the thrust of the
hard and factual point I made (and Mr. Mock flaccidly shrunk away
from). Then maybe you can reevaluate whether Jews think that they are
"G-d's special little pets", as you so profoundly put it:
<Begin reattachment procedure>
<quote>
______________________________
The Jewish Soul
The Jewish Body
___________________________________
</quote>
<end reattachment procedeure>
Now, swallow hard, catch your breath, and tell us the truth, Susan: Do
Jews believe that they are "G-d's special little pets", or not?
sm...@nizkor.org
Being "different, special, unique" does not necessitate being a "Master
race", Waldo.
> > > To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> > > to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> > > accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> > > believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> > > mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> > > their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
> >
> > Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> > year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> > back. Funny how that is.
>
> What, not even a "hello Waldo, nice to see you"? You really should
> work on your manners, Mr. Mock. But then, I suppose it's largely a
> characteristic of your genes, and can't be helped.
>
> And as to your cheap-shot WRT the "meds", Ms Moe stated (above)
> that anti-Semitism is a "spiritual problem". Do they make
> medications to treat "spiritual problems", Mr. Mock?
I don't entirely agree that it is a "spiritual problem". The state of
your spirit is your own business, IMO, though I can see how someone
looking at a person like yourself whose every utterance on Usenet is
dedicated to spreading hatred and mistrust against a group of people
the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
contact might think that such a person's spiritual well-being was in a
dire state indeed.
Obviously I was taking the piss with that comment about the "meds".
Then again, on the other hand, if someone where to tell me that that is
*exactly* what happened, I wouldn't be very surprised either. The
level of obsessiveness you demonstrate in your anti-Semitism truly is
pathological.
> > <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> > that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> > it>
>
> I don't get what? Why, you pegged it right there, Steve. These are
> the FUNDAMENTALS of Judaism, and have been for aeons.
No, they're not. Any more than the beliefs of those we refer to today
as Muslim or Christian fundamentalists. Alas, you still know nothing
about nothing, don't you?
Steven Mock
sm...@nizkor.org
A most resounding YES. The number of nations who have adopted a sense
of divine election at some point in their histories overwhelms the
number that hasn't, the the precise nature of the belief varies from
case to case.
Steven Mock
Ben Cramer
<sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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None of this has transposed itself into the modern world, smockie, apart
from the stinky yids belief in their "master race" status.
sm...@nizkor.org
Wrong again, old fool. First of all, there is no "master race" concept
in mainstream Judaism, and never has been. That is yours and Waldo's
sick invention, designed to justify your own visceral hatreds. To the
extent that such a thing might exist even on the fringes of Judaism
today, it is a modern addition.
Second, plenty of nations maintain notions of having a special role or
mission in the world. You honestly don't see echoes of such rhetoric
in George Bush's speeches, for example?
Steven Mock
Miriam Cohen
I find it highly ironic that Jews make up approximately 3% of the
world's population and yet those who fancy themselves part of "the
master race" (sHitler's version that is) claim that 3% of the world's
population controls the other 97%. Were that true (it's not of course)
what does that say about this supposed "Master Race" that they can be
controlled by such a tiny percentage of the world? It *MUST* suck to be
them.
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
Miriam Cohen
Anthropology calls it "ethnocentrism".
> Steven Mock
The Reverend
Special enough to have been selected for expulsions, massacres,
purges, pogroms, holocausts, intifadas etc. Now *that's* g-ddam
special!
Ben Cramer
<sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
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Horseshit! They've been referring to themselves as the "Chosen People" for
millennia.
>That is yours and Waldo's
> sick invention, designed to justify your own visceral hatreds.
Nope. The stinky yids themselves state they are the "Chosen People" and all
others are as beasts of the fields.
No hatred in me, laddie, by the bye.
>To the
> extent that such a thing might exist even on the fringes of Judaism
> today, it is a modern addition.
Que? Looks like English but doesn't make any sense.
>
> Second, plenty of nations maintain notions of having a special role or
> mission in the world. You honestly don't see echoes of such rhetoric
> in George Bush's speeches, for example?
Not really. All I see in Dubya's speeches are demented ravings from a
tormented soul.
Ben Cramer
"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOi...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Bdewg.107614$iU2.58348@fed1read01...
No one but the stinky yids puts themselves up as a master race, you
despicable little jew slag. And it's very easy for a few people, in the
right places, to influence world politics. Have a look at how many yids
Dubya has appointed to high level station, not to forget the arch enemies of
the western world, the yid infested neo-cons.
Waldo
In the case of Jews it most certainly does. Would you like me to quote
some of the orgasmically oligarchic Jewish fantasies of the Torah (Old
Testament) for you, Mr. Mock?
[Note to Mock: Snip the above - if Waldo starts quoting the Torah, Jews
are exposed, and your argument is *screwed*]
> > > > To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> > > > to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> > > > accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> > > > believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> > > > mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> > > > their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
> > >
> > > Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> > > year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> > > back. Funny how that is.
> >
> > What, not even a "hello Waldo, nice to see you"? You really should
> > work on your manners, Mr. Mock. But then, I suppose it's largely a
> > characteristic of your genes, and can't be helped.
> >
> > And as to your cheap-shot WRT the "meds", Ms Moe stated (above)
> > that anti-Semitism is a "spiritual problem". Do they make
> > medications to treat "spiritual problems", Mr. Mock?
>
> I don't entirely agree that it is a "spiritual problem".
I must remind you here (you're sooo forgetful!) that this was not my
assertion, but that of the Jewess Ms. Moe (et al) - and there is a
reason for this: Jews with logical, rational minds want *desperately*
to find a "cause" for "anti-Semitism", but the problem is,
every time they trace the "short-circuit", it is found in the
wiring of the JEW rather than in the so-called "anti-Semite. This
discovery inevitably overloads Jewish fuses, which immediately blow
back into denial mode: Jews can not, will not and WON'T absorb any
responsibility for their own actions. It is ALWAYS the fault of the
Goyim.
As they cannot rationalize anti-Semitism logically, Jews are forced to
fall back onto theories of "spiritual" causality, which, by its
very nature, requires NO logic, reason, proof or rationality
whatsoever, and...
"PRESTO!" they shout, "Problem solved! Anti-Semitism is a
SPIRITUAL PROBLEM of the wretched GOYIM!!! See, I told you that Jews
weren't to blame!!!"
Then they can all have a big drunken Goy-Hating bash at Purim!
(Isn't this fun?!?)
> The state of
> your spirit is your own business, IMO, though I can see how someone
> looking at a person like yourself whose every utterance on Usenet is
> dedicated to spreading hatred and mistrust against a group of people
> the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> contact might think that such a person's spiritual well-being was in a
> dire state indeed.
Ever wondered if people may have similar thoughts about a person who,
in the face of all evidence, shamelessly DEFENDS "a group of people
the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
contact"?
> Obviously I was taking the piss with that comment about the "meds".
Maintaining privacy in ones bodily functions is the civilized thing to
do, Steve.
> Then again, on the other hand, if someone where to tell me that that is
> *exactly* what happened, I wouldn't be very surprised either.
Provided that the teller was one of your fellow Semitists, of course.
> The
> level of obsessiveness you demonstrate in your anti-Semitism truly is
> pathological.
First, I would contend that I am not an "anti-Semite", rather, I am
*anti-Semitist*. Second, I would like you to explain how my being
anti-Semitist would qualify as "pathological" more than, say, the
"obsession" that you, McVay, or Semitists in general have with
"The Holocaust" or the other potpourri of "sufferings" that
Jews have either had or imagined over the centuries.
> > > <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> > > that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> > > it>
> >
> > I don't get what? Why, you pegged it right there, Steve. These are
> > the FUNDAMENTALS of Judaism, and have been for aeons.
>
> No, they're not.
Really? You deny the "Chosen People" tenet? Then what ARE the
fundamentals of Judaism?
[cue long, phony and feigned screed about the Ten Commandments,
bringing "morality" to the world, and Jews being the "light unto
nations" etc.]
> Any more than the beliefs of those we refer to today
> as Muslim or Christian fundamentalists. Alas, you still know nothing
> about nothing, don't you?
Hmmm. Personally, I would be more wary of anyone who professes to know
*anything* about "nothing" than I would one who claims to know
nothing about "nothing".
What do you know about "nothing", Steve?
Waldo
In the case of Jews, Waldo calls it SEMITISM. And so does Webster (pay
particular attention to # 3)
Semitism:
1. A Semitic word or idiom.
2. Semitic traits, attributes, or customs.
3. A policy or predisposition in favor of Jews.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semitism
I guess that would make me an anti-Semitist: One who is *opposed* to
those who have a policy or predisposition (IOW, are bigoted) in favor
of Jews.
Waldo
What a Heaping Helping of Horseshit, Steve, and with Kosher Certified
Vanilla Icing and Rainbow Sprinkles on top! As a Jew familiar with
Judaism, you know well what the long-held beliefs of your "people"
are, and as if that weren't enough, you have been educated to the
contrary, right here in this forum, by myself and others.
That you feel it necessary to lie, misdirect, and obfuscate in your
pathetic defense of your "tribe" says much, not only about your
character, but about your TRUE beliefs on Jews and Judaism, which, in
spite of all of their pernicious and fatal faults, you continue to
shamelessly defend.
The question is, WHY?
Below is an excerpt from a post that I directed to YOU back in December
of 2003. You asserted above that there was no "master race" concept in
mainstream Judaism, and never has been".
Dump the dickering over semantics, Steve. Below are quotes from the
book of Isaiah in the Torah (Old Testament), and they are SUCH a Jewish
Supremacist, oligarchic, "Master Race" fantasy that anyhing Hitler
ever spoke or wrote would pale by comparison.
(When reading this, keep the Jewish lie of the meaning of "Light Unto
Nations" in mind)
<<Begin repost - emphasis marked with *asterisks* mine>>
<quote>
_________________________________
Arise, shine; for thy *light* is come, and the glory of the LORD is
risen upon
thee.
For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the
people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen
upon
thee.
And the *Gentiles shall come to thy light*, and kings to the brightness
of thy
rising.
Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves
together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy
daughters
shall be nursed at [thy] side.
Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and
be
enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto
thee, the
*forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee*.
The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and
Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall *bring gold and
incense*;
and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams
of
Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance
on
mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
Who [are] these [that] fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their
windows?
Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the *ships of Tarshish first,
to
bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them*, unto
the
name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he
hath
glorified thee.
And *the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls*, and their kings
shall
minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have
I
had mercy on thee.
Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut
day
nor night; that [men] may *bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles*,
and
[that] their kings [may be] brought.
For *the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea,
[those] nations shall be utterly wasted*.
The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree,
and
the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will
make the
place of my feet glorious.
The sons also of them that *afflicted* thee shall come bending unto
thee; and
all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of
thy
feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the
Holy
One of Israel.
Whereas thou hast been forsaken and *hated*, so that no man went
through
[thee], I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many
generations.
Thou shalt also *suck the milk of the Gentiles*, and shalt *suck the
breast of
kings*: and thou shalt know that I the LORD [am] thy Saviour and thy
Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for
wood
brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and
thine
exactors righteousness.
Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction
within
thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates
Praise.
The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall
the
moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an
everlasting
light, and thy God thy glory.
Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:
for
the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning
shall be ended.
Thy people also [shall be] all righteous: they shall inherit the land
for
ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be
glorified.
A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation:
I the
LORD will hasten it in his time.
________________________________
</quote>
[Isaiah Chapter 60]
(Lest any duped Gentiles be confused WRT the above, it speaks of
nothing
less of total domination: An absolute oligarchy with Jews ruling
Gentiles.
That, my friends, is what the "Light Unto Nations" really speaks of)
<quote>
________________________________
And *strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the
alien
[shall be] your plowmen and your vinedressers*.
But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the
Ministers of our God: ye shall *eat the riches of the Gentiles*, and in
their
glory shall ye boast yourselves.
For your shame [ye shall have] double; and [for] confusion they shall
rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess
the
double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
For *I the LORD love judgment*, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and
I will
direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant
with
them.
And their **seed shall be known among the Gentiles**, and their
offspring among
the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they [are]
the
seed [which] the LORD hath blessed.
[Isaiah 61:5 - 61:9]
_________________________________
</quote>
<<End repost>>
If THAT isn't a "master race" oligarchic fantasy, what is?
And the Spinster Mock insists that there is no "master race" concept
in mainstream Judaism, and never has been"???
Is Isaiah a "modern addition" to the Jewish belief system, Steve?
Do yourself and your tribe a REAL favor, Steve. It all starts with
honesty.
sm...@nizkor.org
<sigh> I see you still haven't taken a bite from the clue cookie in
your absense.
Go ahead, Waldo. Offer your quotes from the Torah. Offer your
tendentious interpretations. Pretend that your ability to dig up and
cite passages that suit your prejudices proved automatically that you
understand *exactly* how 18 million modern people collectively
interpret these verses. All you will do is continue to prove my point
for me... that your're an obsessed nutter.
> > > > > To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> > > > > to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> > > > > accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> > > > > believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> > > > > mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> > > > > their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> > > > year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> > > > back. Funny how that is.
> > >
> > > What, not even a "hello Waldo, nice to see you"? You really should
> > > work on your manners, Mr. Mock. But then, I suppose it's largely a
> > > characteristic of your genes, and can't be helped.
> > >
> > > And as to your cheap-shot WRT the "meds", Ms Moe stated (above)
> > > that anti-Semitism is a "spiritual problem". Do they make
> > > medications to treat "spiritual problems", Mr. Mock?
> >
> > I don't entirely agree that it is a "spiritual problem".
>
> I must remind you here (you're sooo forgetful!) that this was not my
> assertion, but that of the Jewess Ms. Moe (et al)
Does that mean I have to agree with it?
> - and there is a
> reason for this: Jews with logical, rational minds want *desperately*
> to find a "cause" for "anti-Semitism", but the problem is,
> every time they trace the "short-circuit", it is found in the
> wiring of the JEW rather than in the so-called "anti-Semite. This
> discovery inevitably overloads Jewish fuses, which immediately blow
> back into denial mode: Jews can not, will not and WON'T absorb any
> responsibility for their own actions.
I don't accept responsibility for actions which I did not committ. And
when that is the case, it is pretty clear that the problem is that of
the false accuser.
> > The state of
> > your spirit is your own business, IMO, though I can see how someone
> > looking at a person like yourself whose every utterance on Usenet is
> > dedicated to spreading hatred and mistrust against a group of people
> > the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> > contact might think that such a person's spiritual well-being was in a
> > dire state indeed.
>
> Ever wondered if people may have similar thoughts about a person who,
> in the face of all evidence, shamelessly DEFENDS "a group of people
> the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> contact"?
I would defend any people subject to racist slanders, I would hope.
But in this case, I have had more contact than you, Waldo. Having been
raised Jewish, and still identifying with the community, I can say as a
matter of personal experience that the sentiments and beliefs you
attribute to me are utterly alien to what I was taught and what I
believe.
In any case, I am not making any claims whatsoever as to what "Jews"
think and do. You are. My argument is quite the opposite - that Jews,
like all people in the world today, are a diverse group. No doubt you
can find some who adopt a narrow, particularistic attitude to the world
almost as extreme as the one you attribute to the collective. But
there are ever more who approach the world from a universalist point of
view, and most who fall somewhere in between. Jews are individuals,
and each individual constructs his identities and balances his
loyalities differently.
> > Obviously I was taking the piss with that comment about the "meds".
>
> Maintaining privacy in ones bodily functions is the civilized thing to
> do, Steve.
>
> > Then again, on the other hand, if someone where to tell me that that is
> > *exactly* what happened, I wouldn't be very surprised either.
>
> Provided that the teller was one of your fellow Semitists, of course.
My point, Waldo, is that while I was joking when I said it - not having
any personal knowledge of your mental condition - I wouldn't be
surprised if it were true.
> > The
> > level of obsessiveness you demonstrate in your anti-Semitism truly is
> > pathological.
>
> First, I would contend that I am not an "anti-Semite", rather, I am
> *anti-Semitist*. Second, I would like you to explain how my being
> anti-Semitist would qualify as "pathological" more than, say, the
> "obsession" that you, McVay, or Semitists in general have with
> "The Holocaust" or the other potpourri of "sufferings" that
> Jews have either had or imagined over the centuries.
I have no such obsession. I turn up here now and then only for the
intellectual exercise of examining and dissecting misleading rhetoric
and fraudulant logic. On the other hand, I have never seen you write
anything on this n.g. that didn't wasn't aimed explicitly at
rationalising and justifying the hatred and fear of Jews.
> > > > <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> > > > that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> > > > it>
> > >
> > > I don't get what? Why, you pegged it right there, Steve. These are
> > > the FUNDAMENTALS of Judaism, and have been for aeons.
> >
> > No, they're not.
>
> Really? You deny the "Chosen People" tenet?
It has no real bearing on my personal life, no. And I deny that it
means what you claim it means, regardless.
> Then what ARE the
> fundamentals of Judaism?
>
> [cue long, phony and feigned screed about the Ten Commandments,
> bringing "morality" to the world, and Jews being the "light unto
> nations" etc.]
Well, hey, if you announce from the outset that you're not going to
believe anything I say, why should I bother?
Steven Mock
sm...@nizkor.org
> sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > Ben Cramer wrote:
> > > <sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
>
> > in mainstream Judaism, and never has been. That is yours and Waldo's
> > sick invention, designed to justify your own visceral hatreds. To the
> > extent that such a thing might exist even on the fringes of Judaism
> > today, it is a modern addition.
>
> What a Heaping Helping of Horseshit, Steve, and with Kosher Certified
> Vanilla Icing and Rainbow Sprinkles on top! As a Jew familiar with
> Judaism, you know well what the long-held beliefs of your "people"
> are, and as if that weren't enough, you have been educated to the
> contrary, right here in this forum, by myself and others.
>
> That you feel it necessary to lie, misdirect, and obfuscate in your
> pathetic defense of your "tribe" says much, not only about your
> character, but about your TRUE beliefs on Jews and Judaism, which, in
> spite of all of their pernicious and fatal faults, you continue to
> shamelessly defend.
>
> The question is, WHY?
This is known as "begging the question". Waldo starts with the
assumption that every hateful thing he believes about Jews is right.
Therefore, it goes without saying that I am a liar, and the mere fact
that I argue against him stands as yet another item of evidence of how
nasty Jews like me are.
LOL! Thank you for the demonstration, Waldo.
I rest my case.
Steven Mock
sm...@nizkor.org
And you are absolutely certain that the meaning of this has remained
consistent among all Jews throughout that period of time, and that it
this meaning is, indeed, the very modern "master race" notion you
attribute to it?
Steven Mock
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
One which you have to lie to yourself about in order to justify --
witness your recent insistence that that PETA video documented normal
Kosher slaughter -- when PETA themselves very clearly state it did
not.
What does it say about your hate that you rely on untruth to make it
seem less irrational?
Ben Cramer
"127.0.0.1" <127....@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812...
And it's a growth phenomenon.
>
Ben Cramer
<sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
news:1153560580.2...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
I'm not entirely convinced it's up to me to interpret anything of the sort.
I simply believe what the yids suggest it means. The cohen sluts are
certainly of the opinion it refers to yids as being members of a master
race. One of the cohen's isn't a real yid, however.
>
> Steven Mock
>
Ben Cramer
Ben Cramer
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
news:dlt3c2lp6e98hvheo...@4ax.com...
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
> in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>
>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
Without yids, there wouldn't be anti-semitism. Simple, isn't it.
sm...@nizkor.org
> In the case of Jews, Waldo calls it SEMITISM. And so does Webster (pay
> particular attention to # 3)
>
> Semitism:
>
> 1. A Semitic word or idiom.
> 2. Semitic traits, attributes, or customs.
> 3. A policy or predisposition in favor of Jews.
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semitism
>
>
> I guess that would make me an anti-Semitist: One who is *opposed* to
> those who have a policy or predisposition (IOW, are bigoted) in favor
> of Jews.
That may be what you like to call yourself, Waldo, but that is not what
you do.
Even if the word, as you use it, had any real currency in ordinary
discourse, the claims and accusations you make on this n.g. are not
levelled against specific individuals who express a predisposition or
even bigotry in favour of Jews. They are attributed collectively
against Jews as a group; the assertion of a racist generalisation based
on isolated snippets of information. That is what makes you a bigot,
and a bigot who targets Jews in particular is called an anti-Semite.
Steven Mock
The Reverend
>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
> in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>
>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
>No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'Ž is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
Gospel Bretts
Reverend) wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:00:27 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>> in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>>
>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>>
>>No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>>group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>
>Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>
I could never understand what pisses you guys off so badly about the
Jews.
__________________
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
The Reverend
And there you have the reason.
Ben Cramer
<sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
news:1153571620.1...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Not any more, smockie. An anti-semite is someone the yids don't like.
teresita
> Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
> behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
> being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
Jews aren't a "race", in fact there isn't any such thing as race.
Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.
Cue Bruce Hornsby song:
They say hey little boy you can't go
Where the others go
'Cause you don't look like they do
Said hey old man how can you stand
To think that way
Did you really think about it
Before you made the rules
--
Teresita
teresita
> I could never understand what pisses you guys off so badly about the
> Jews.
I heard it was because they think the Jooooooz kilt Jeeeeezus.
--
Teresita
Gospel Bretts
Reverend) wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:03:36 GMT, Gospel Bretts
><Halle...@Jesus.Amen> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 GMT, reni...@anglikckan.ca (The
>>Reverend) wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:00:27 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>>> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>>>> in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>>>>
>>>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>>>>
>>>>No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>>>>group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>>>
>>>Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'Ž is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>>>behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>>>being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>>>
>>
>>I could never understand what pisses you guys off so badly about the
>>Jews.
>
>And there you have the reason.
Thank you for your "lucid" explanation then, Reverend, and for making
it quite clear to me whose side I should be on.
Gospel Bretts
<tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:03:36 +0000, Gospel Bretts wrote:
>
>> I could never understand what pisses you guys off so badly about the
>> Jews.
>
>I heard it was because they think the Jooooooz kilt Jeeeeezus.
Well then, that's a point in their favor. :)
Gospel Bretts
<tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 +0000, The Reverend wrote:
>
>> Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>> behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>> being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>
>Jews aren't a "race", in fact there isn't any such thing as race.
>Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.
>
There's less genetic variation within Homo sapiens than within most
other species. There appears to have been a genetic "bottle neck" in
relatively recent pre-historic time, when our numbers were so low that
we were in danger of extinction.
The Reverend
<Halle...@Jesus.Amen> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:16:13 GMT, reni...@anglikckan.ca (The
>Reverend) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:03:36 GMT, Gospel Bretts
>><Halle...@Jesus.Amen> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 GMT, reni...@anglikckan.ca (The
>>>Reverend) wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:00:27 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>>>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>>>> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>>>>> in message <7308110.6luYqxC4Dt@OICU812>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>>>>>group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>>>>behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>>>>being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I could never understand what pisses you guys off so badly about the
>>>Jews.
>>
>>And there you have the reason.
>
>Thank you for your "lucid" explanation then, Reverend, and for making
>it quite clear to me whose side I should be on.
You want to be a jewloving shabbos goy? Be my guest. You won't be
alone.
The Reverend
<tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 +0000, The Reverend wrote:
>
>> Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>> behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>> being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>
>Jews aren't a "race", in fact there isn't any such thing as race.
>Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.
That's very liberal of you, but jews are indeed a race and there is
such a thing as race.
The Reverend
The genetic variation that does exist is sufficient to distinguish one
race from another.
Topaz
being "anti-Arab" is a terrible crime? What about "anti-Christian", or
"anti-German"? Of course the Jews think
they are special. Any other group could be our enemy, but not the
Jews, they say. The Jews tell us the Arabs are our enemies. The
Jewish controlled media tells us that the Jews are America's only
friend in the Middle East. The truth is that before the Jews America
didn't have any enemies in the Middle East.
Americans had a revolution when they were ruled by the British. If
the British accused
them of being "anti-British" would the Americans throw down their guns
and apologize?
Now that America is ruled by the Jews it is no insult to be called
"anti-Semite". The insult is that they think we care about their self
serving verbiage.
The Jewish controlled media said the French were "cheese eating
surrender monkeys". Why can't the French howl "anti-French" like the
Jews howl "anti-Semite"? Because the French don't control the media,
Jews do.
This is what President Nixon said:
http://www.hnn.us/comments/15664.html
"There may be some truth in that if the Arabs have some complaints
about my policy towards Israel, they have to realize that the Jews in
the U.S. control the entire information and propaganda machine, the
large newspapers, the motion pictures, radio and television, and the
big companies. And there is a force that we have to take into
consideration."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
teresita
And there are spearchuckers who think there are only three colors in a
rainbow, not the seven colors the technological West swears by. It's all
subjective nonsense.
--
Teresita
Kenneth McVay OBC
Alex Vangel says that he thinks murder is a dandy way to
deal with "problem" children.
Here is a quote from Alex Vangel:
"I said I agreed with the Bible because it is against the
homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews. This is
what it says about delinquents:
"Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will
not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother,
and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto
them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him,
and bring him out unto the elders of the city, and unto the
gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his
city, This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not
obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the
men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel
shall hear, and fear." (UseNet alt.revisionism. Subject:
"Re: More crap from the VangelBot," 31 Jan. 2001. Message-ID:
3c589...@spamkiller.newsgroups.com)
Note that this quote from Mr. Vangel says nothing about
"homosexual perverts, the feminists, and the Jews," as he
suggested. Yet he cites it to justify the murder of children
whose only crime was that of being found "unruly" by Adolf
Hitler's murdering thugs.
For information about Mr. Vangel's hate group, see
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/christian-identity
--
"All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you
can't refute what I post so shit like you resort to cheap
personal attacks and you wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's leading revisionist scholar)
Waldo
Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
> In article <6af4c250e9bftg23e...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<Snip the Semitist McVague's diversion>
Q. Why doesn't McVague address the issues?
A. He can't. All he can do is resort to the time-tested Semitist
tactics of Squirm, Squeal, Dodge, Subterfuge and Misdirection.
It's all taught in "Chutzpah 101".
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Roger wrote:
>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>Hate? I'll show you hate.
You do, nearly every time you post.
You even admit to it, so what's the whine about?
>by Paul Craig Roberts
> July 22, 2006 | http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/
>
>Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in
>southern Lebanon?
No, they are engaged in bombing the hell out of terrorists who began
the exchange by shelling Israel.
What *do* you think it says about your hate that you must rely on lies
like this, and your lies about Kosher slaughter in order to pretend to
be justified?
Waldo
sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > > > > Waldo wrote:
> > > > > > aame...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > Anti-Semitism: ..... What Is It?
> > > > > > > by Laureen Moe
> > > > > > > SUMMARY:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [Snipped: The long screed of a Jewess in denial, helping to perpetuate
> > > > > > the self-destructive plight of a people in denial]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > SO IN CONCLUSION:
> > > > > > > Anti-Semitism is a venomous condition of the heart of man and not just
> > > > > > > prejudice, hatred or discrimination. Jealousy and envy of the Jew more
> > > > > > > than anything else seems to be the main root of this condition. It is a
> > > > > > > spiritual problem. But Jeremiah said it best and it is truth from God's
> > > > > > > Word... "The heart is deceitful, and desperately wicked; who can know
> > > > > > > it?".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Translation: While bigotry against, by or between *other* groups of
> > > > > > people is merely simple "prejudice, hatred or discrimination",
> > > > > > bigotry against *Jews* is different: Jews believe that this hatred is
> > > > > > SPIRITUAL in nature (Please note the distinction between
> > > > > > "religious" and "spiritual").
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
> > > > > > dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different, special,
> > > > > > unique.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry, but is there any nation, religion, culture or ethnic
> > > > > community on earth that does not consider itself "different, special,
> > > > > unique"? Isn't that what being a group is all about?
> > > >
> > > > "Master Race" ideology - which, I might add, was largely borrowed
> > > > from the Jewish "Chosen People" dogma.
> > >
> > > Being "different, special, unique" does not necessitate being a "Master
> > > race", Waldo.
> >
> > some of the orgasmically oligarchic Jewish fantasies of the Torah (Old
> > Testament) for you, Mr. Mock?
> >
> > [Note to Mock: Snip the above - if Waldo starts quoting the Torah, Jews
> > are exposed, and your argument is *screwed*]
>
> <sigh> I see you still haven't taken a bite from the clue cookie in
> your absense.
I haven't converted to Holocaustic Semitism, if that's what you
mean.
> Go ahead, Waldo. Offer your quotes from the Torah. Offer your
> tendentious interpretations. Pretend that your ability to dig up and
> cite passages that suit your prejudices proved automatically that you
> understand *exactly* how 18 million modern people collectively
> interpret these verses. All you will do is continue to prove my point
> for me... that your're an obsessed nutter.
Still constructing your Straw Man, I see.
But that's always been your key strategy, hasn't it? If someone
make a reference to "Jews" or "Blacks" (or whatever) and you
disagree with that statement, you counter by saying that the person is
a "racist nutter", and insist that what the person said necessarily
applies to *each and every* Jew (or Black, or whatever), be they man,
woman, child etc.
Using your "logic", claiming that "the Germans persecuted Jews"
would be a racist and bigoted statement, because not ALL Germans
persecuted Jews, did they?
Take your straw man and stuff it, Steve.
> > > > > > To say that this belief system professes that Jews are merely superior
> > > > > > to Gentile "humanity" would be a gross understatement. A more
> > > > > > accurate portrayal would be to state that Jews have traditionally
> > > > > > believed that they are the ONLY humanity, and that the balance of
> > > > > > mankind, like all other animals, plants and minerals, was created by
> > > > > > their G_d for the *sole* purpose of serving the Jews, period.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, I understand now. Waldo was dutifully taking his meds for the last
> > > > > year and a half, and then decided to stop. Suddenly, the Jews came
> > > > > back. Funny how that is.
> > > >
> > > > What, not even a "hello Waldo, nice to see you"? You really should
> > > > work on your manners, Mr. Mock. But then, I suppose it's largely a
> > > > characteristic of your genes, and can't be helped.
> > > >
> > > > And as to your cheap-shot WRT the "meds", Ms Moe stated (above)
> > > > that anti-Semitism is a "spiritual problem". Do they make
> > > > medications to treat "spiritual problems", Mr. Mock?
> > >
> > > I don't entirely agree that it is a "spiritual problem".
> >
> > I must remind you here (you're sooo forgetful!) that this was not my
> > assertion, but that of the Jewess Ms. Moe (et al)
>
> Does that mean I have to agree with it?
No, you don't. But I'm very doubtful that you'd find any other
way to explain "anti-Semitism" without laying at least SOME of the
blame on Jewish behavior - and G_d knows you'll NEVER admit that Jews
might in any way culpable for anything.
> > - and there is a
> > reason for this: Jews with logical, rational minds want *desperately*
> > to find a "cause" for "anti-Semitism", but the problem is,
> > every time they trace the "short-circuit", it is found in the
> > wiring of the JEW rather than in the so-called "anti-Semite. This
> > discovery inevitably overloads Jewish fuses, which immediately blow
> > back into denial mode: Jews can not, will not and WON'T absorb any
> > responsibility for their own actions.
>
> I don't accept responsibility for actions which I did not committ. And
> when that is the case, it is pretty clear that the problem is that of
> the false accuser.
Ok, so you're trying to squirm by personalizing everything. But it
doesn't always work that way, does it?
Example: German (and other) workers have been paying Zionillions of
dollars in "reparations" to the Jews (and Israel) for decades,
ostensibly to compensate Jews for their "sufferings" during "The
Holocaust", haven't they? The vast majority of this tax money was
collected from Germans who committed NO OFFENSE AGAINST JEWS
whatsoever, and yet they are FORCED to pay. Why? Because they are
Germans, and have been identified as a MEMBER OF THE GROUP that
supposedly committed grave offenses against Jews.
Perhaps you can tell us why *some* groups should be held collectively
responsible for the actions of a relative few members, while others
(especially Jews) should be seen purely as individuals, and should be
held forever harmless?
> > > The state of
> > > your spirit is your own business, IMO, though I can see how someone
> > > looking at a person like yourself whose every utterance on Usenet is
> > > dedicated to spreading hatred and mistrust against a group of people
> > > the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> > > contact might think that such a person's spiritual well-being was in a
> > > dire state indeed.
> >
> > Ever wondered if people may have similar thoughts about a person who,
> > in the face of all evidence, shamelessly DEFENDS "a group of people
> > the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> > contact"?
>
> I would defend any people subject to racist slanders, I would hope.
So says the man who denies that Jews are a "race", and further
denies the very *concept* of "race" in human beings. Would you call
a man who loves Chevrolet products and speaks of Fords in a derogatory
manner a "racist", Mr. Mock?
> But in this case, I have had more contact than you, Waldo. Having been
> raised Jewish, and still identifying with the community, I can say as a
> matter of personal experience that the sentiments and beliefs you
> attribute to me are utterly alien to what I was taught and what I
> believe.
>From our conversations in this forum, it would seem that I have taught
you more about Jews and Judaism than you ever learned elsewhere. Of
course, this is not the case, you have merely demonstrated your
willingness to lie and deny uncomfortable truths about the subject -
until I force the issue by shoving facts from irrefutable Jewish
sources in your face.
What you have is a vested interest in defending your "tribe", right
or wrong, and you have demonstrated that you are willing to break limbo
records in your efforts to do so.
> In any case, I am not making any claims whatsoever as to what "Jews"
> think and do. You are.
Incorrect. In DENYING what Jews (broadly speaking) think and do, you
make your claims.
> My argument is quite the opposite - that Jews,
> like all people in the world today, are a diverse group.
So are Germans - and they were during WWII.
> No doubt you
> can find some who adopt a narrow, particularistic attitude to the world
> almost as extreme as the one you attribute to the collective. But
> there are ever more who approach the world from a universalist point of
> view, and most who fall somewhere in between. Jews are individuals,
> and each individual constructs his identities and balances his
> loyalities differently.
Again, the same can be said for Germans. Do you support the idea that
all Holocaust reparations monies be repaid to the innocent German
taxpayers who were forced to sacrifice their life's energy to pay for
deeds that they never committed?
> > > Obviously I was taking the piss with that comment about the "meds".
> >
> > Maintaining privacy in ones bodily functions is the civilized thing to
> > do, Steve.
> >
> > > Then again, on the other hand, if someone where to tell me that that is
> > > *exactly* what happened, I wouldn't be very surprised either.
> >
> > Provided that the teller was one of your fellow Semitists, of course.
>
> My point, Waldo, is that while I was joking when I said it - not having
> any personal knowledge of your mental condition - I wouldn't be
> surprised if it were true.
Well, I suppose that has more to do with your being an asshole that it
does with you being Jewish.
> > > The
> > > level of obsessiveness you demonstrate in your anti-Semitism truly is
> > > pathological.
> >
> > First, I would contend that I am not an "anti-Semite", rather, I am
> > *anti-Semitist*. Second, I would like you to explain how my being
> > anti-Semitist would qualify as "pathological" more than, say, the
> > "obsession" that you, McVay, or Semitists in general have with
> > "The Holocaust" or the other potpourri of "sufferings" that
> > Jews have either had or imagined over the centuries.
>
> I have no such obsession.
Bullshit alarm.
> I turn up here now and then only for the
> intellectual exercise of examining and dissecting misleading rhetoric
> and fraudulant logic. On the other hand, I have never seen you write
> anything on this n.g. that didn't wasn't aimed explicitly at
> rationalising and justifying the hatred and fear of Jews.
Different people have different areas of interest. You and McVague are
interested in perpetuating the guilt generated by Holocaust propaganda
for as long as possible, and helping the Jews to milk it for all its
worth.
I'm interested in Jews because they are a unique specimen in humanity
- one with a track record that should raise the hackles of any group
they come into contact with, especially if they manage to work
themselves into positions of influence.
You (deceptively) assert that I "hate" all Jews. This is false, and
you know it. Contrary to your oft regurgitated Straw-Man, I speak of
generalities, of the Jewish macrocosm, which you deny exists.
I claim that the Mississippi River flows South. You whine that it
doesn't ALWAYS flow South, that there are eddies and whirlpools, and
point out that sometimes it flows East, West, and even North - and in
the microcosm, you may be correct, but that doesn't change the fact
that the thrust of the flow is to the South, does it?
> > > > > <snipped: a handful of quotes from a handful of Jewish fundamentalists
> > > > > that serve to feed Waldo's grand delusions... the boy still doesn't get
> > > > > it>
> > > >
> > > > I don't get what? Why, you pegged it right there, Steve. These are
> > > > the FUNDAMENTALS of Judaism, and have been for aeons.
> > >
> > > No, they're not.
> >
> > Really? You deny the "Chosen People" tenet?
>
> It has no real bearing on my personal life, no. And I deny that it
> means what you claim it means, regardless.
>
> > Then what ARE the
> > fundamentals of Judaism?
> >
> > [cue long, phony and feigned screed about the Ten Commandments,
> > bringing "morality" to the world, and Jews being the "light unto
> > nations" etc.]
>
> Well, hey, if you announce from the outset that you're not going to
> believe anything I say, why should I bother?
Well, at least I saved you from having to lie - yet again - for the
sake of the Tribe.
Ben Cramer
"Kenneth McVay OBC" <kmc...@shell.vex.net> wrote in message
news:12c4l7u...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <6af4c250e9bftg23e...@4ax.com>,
> Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Jews say that being "anti-Semitic" is a terrible crime.
McFey's silliness and reiterative shite snipped.
Waldo
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 +0000, The Reverend wrote:
>
> > Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
> > behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
> > being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>
> Jews aren't a "race",
They are when it suits their agenda-of-the-day. At other times,
they'll describe themselves as a "religion", a "nation", a
"people", a "species" or just as a "group". It all depends
on what they think will best serve their agenda in any given situation.
> in fact there isn't any such thing as race.
> Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.
Really? It's all about "skin color" then, is it? How is it that
forensic pathologists are able to identify a person's "race" just
by examining defleshed bones, or sometimes just the teeth?
You're a regular success story for the Boasian anthropology agenda!
But believe what you will if it makes you feel better. I suppose next
you'll be telling us that there's no such thing as "sex" (as in
male vs female").
Ben Cramer
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
> in message <2285730.9gIms7k5bZ@OICU812>:
>
>>Roger wrote:
>
>>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
>>> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>>> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>
>>Hate? I'll show you hate.
>
> You do, nearly every time you post.
>
> You even admit to it, so what's the whine about?
>
>>by Paul Craig Roberts
>> July 22, 2006 | http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/
>>
>>Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in
>>southern Lebanon?
>
> No, they are engaged in bombing the hell out of terrorists who began
> the exchange by shelling Israel.
Is that the same israel who swiped the Arab's land and have been persecuting
and brutalising the same Arabs for sixty years?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
>Roger wrote:
>>>>>Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>>>> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>>>> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>>>Hate? I'll show you hate.
>> You do, nearly every time you post.
>>
>> You even admit to it, so what's the whine about?
>I'm not whining about it.
What do you call your "I'll show you hate" above, then -- given that
nearly everything you post shows hate?
>>>by Paul Craig Roberts
>>>July 22, 2006 | http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in
>>>southern Lebanon?
>> No, they are engaged in bombing the hell out of terrorists who began
>> the exchange by shelling Israel.
>And the 300 civilians Israel has murdered so far?
When are we going to hear you discuss the civilians Hezbollah has
killed, and the fact that they started the shooting?
>The destruction of
>hospitals, schools, airports, the displacement of seven hundred thousands
>of people, all this over two kidnapped IDF soldiers.
... not to mention rockets shot into Israel.
Funny that you don't want to talk about that...
>Never mind, I see you're supporting these baby killing Jew trash..
>
><PLONK>
What about Hezbollah trash, and your own lies?
teresita
> Really? It's all about "skin color" then, is it? How is it that
> forensic pathologists are able to identify a person's "race" just
> by examining defleshed bones, or sometimes just the teeth?
You mean that's what this is all about? White people are superior
because if you squint real hard under a microscope at their bones or teeth
you can see "superior" written all over them?
> But believe what you will if it makes you feel better. I suppose next
> you'll be telling us that there's no such thing as "sex" (as in
> male vs female").
In my house there's only femme and femmer.
--
Teresita
sm...@nizkor.org
> sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > Go ahead, Waldo. Offer your quotes from the Torah. Offer your
> > tendentious interpretations. Pretend that your ability to dig up and
> > cite passages that suit your prejudices proved automatically that you
> > understand *exactly* how 18 million modern people collectively
> > interpret these verses. All you will do is continue to prove my point
> > for me... that your're an obsessed nutter.
>
> Still constructing your Straw Man, I see.
>
> But that's always been your key strategy, hasn't it? If someone
> make a reference to "Jews" or "Blacks" (or whatever) and you
> disagree with that statement, you counter by saying that the person is
> a "racist nutter", and insist that what the person said necessarily
> applies to *each and every* Jew (or Black, or whatever), be they man,
> woman, child etc.
No, Waldo. That is your straw-man. Or, to be more accurate, more of
your tendency to interpret your opposition's statement in as extreme
and dogmatic a manner as possible, giving you ample opportunity to pick
semantic nits.
What I accuse you of is taking these isolated snippets and your
tendentious interpretations thereof and making unsupported assertions
on your authority alone as to what they mean to an entire group of
people as a group. And you honestly don't see how deluded that makes
you seem to sane people.
> > > > I don't entirely agree that it is a "spiritual problem".
> > >
> > > I must remind you here (you're sooo forgetful!) that this was not my
> > > assertion, but that of the Jewess Ms. Moe (et al)
> >
> > Does that mean I have to agree with it?
>
> No, you don't. But I'm very doubtful that you'd find any other
> way to explain "anti-Semitism" without laying at least SOME of the
> blame on Jewish behavior - and G_d knows you'll NEVER admit that Jews
> might in any way culpable for anything.
There have been many Jews who have been guilty throughout history of
many misbehaviours. However, the libels you level against the group as
a group are false.
> > > - and there is a
> > > reason for this: Jews with logical, rational minds want *desperately*
> > > to find a "cause" for "anti-Semitism", but the problem is,
> > > every time they trace the "short-circuit", it is found in the
> > > wiring of the JEW rather than in the so-called "anti-Semite. This
> > > discovery inevitably overloads Jewish fuses, which immediately blow
> > > back into denial mode: Jews can not, will not and WON'T absorb any
> > > responsibility for their own actions.
> >
> > I don't accept responsibility for actions which I did not committ. And
> > when that is the case, it is pretty clear that the problem is that of
> > the false accuser.
>
> Ok, so you're trying to squirm by personalizing everything. But it
> doesn't always work that way, does it?
You have levelled accusations at me personally, claiming, for example,
that seeing as I am a Jew I must know your slanders to be true, and
therefore are mendacious for claming otherwise.
Beyond that, you have not cited me as in any way an exception to the
attitudes you collectively attribute to a group to which I belong, so
how can it not be personal?
> Example: German (and other) workers have been paying Zionillions of
> dollars in "reparations" to the Jews (and Israel) for decades,
> ostensibly to compensate Jews for their "sufferings" during "The
> Holocaust", haven't they? The vast majority of this tax money was
> collected from Germans who committed NO OFFENSE AGAINST JEWS
> whatsoever, and yet they are FORCED to pay. Why? Because they are
> Germans, and have been identified as a MEMBER OF THE GROUP that
> supposedly committed grave offenses against Jews.
What is a "Zionillon", Waldo?
And anyway, your claim is false. No one is forced to pay because they
are Germans, members of the German ethnic group. It is the German
state which paid these reparations, for crimes committed by the German
state. This in no way implies specific guilt to individual Germans on
account of their ethnicity. Were I to have become a citizen of Germany
during that time period, I would not have been exempt from those taxes
that went toward reparations, now, would I have?
> Perhaps you can tell us why *some* groups should be held collectively
> responsible for the actions of a relative few members, while others
> (especially Jews) should be seen purely as individuals, and should be
> held forever harmless?
As this is not my position, I don't see why I should have to justify
it.
I believe the Israeli state should also be compelled to pay reparations
to civilians killed in their recent attacks on Lebanon. That does not
mean I hold every Israeli citizen who pays taxes personally responsible
for their deaths.
> > > > The state of
> > > > your spirit is your own business, IMO, though I can see how someone
> > > > looking at a person like yourself whose every utterance on Usenet is
> > > > dedicated to spreading hatred and mistrust against a group of people
> > > > the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> > > > contact might think that such a person's spiritual well-being was in a
> > > > dire state indeed.
> > >
> > > Ever wondered if people may have similar thoughts about a person who,
> > > in the face of all evidence, shamelessly DEFENDS "a group of people
> > > the vast majority of whom he knows nothing about and has never had any
> > > contact"?
> >
> > I would defend any people subject to racist slanders, I would hope.
>
> So says the man who denies that Jews are a "race", and further
> denies the very *concept* of "race" in human beings.
Says who? Again, this is your overblown straw-man interpretation of
what you'd like to believe I am saying.
Obviously there are racial differences between human beings, Waldo.
What I deny is the significance you place on this, as well some of the
categories you essentialise.
In any case, even if Jews are not a race, one who believes they are and
slanders them in such terms is still a racist.
> > But in this case, I have had more contact than you, Waldo. Having been
> > raised Jewish, and still identifying with the community, I can say as a
> > matter of personal experience that the sentiments and beliefs you
> > attribute to me are utterly alien to what I was taught and what I
> > believe.
>
> >From our conversations in this forum, it would seem that I have taught
> you more about Jews and Judaism than you ever learned elsewhere. Of
> course, this is not the case, you have merely demonstrated your
> willingness to lie and deny uncomfortable truths about the subject -
> until I force the issue by shoving facts from irrefutable Jewish
> sources in your face.
Really, Waldo. I'm starting to think that that yarn I spun about your
return to usenet being a symptom of your being off the wagon with your
anti-psychotic meds is not to far from the truth.
<repetative ranting snipped>
Steven Mock
Ben Cramer
"teresita" <tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
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A trough licker already.
Waldo
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:39:09 -0700, Waldo wrote:
>
> > Really? It's all about "skin color" then, is it? How is it that
> > forensic pathologists are able to identify a person's "race" just
> > by examining defleshed bones, or sometimes just the teeth?
>
> You mean that's what this is all about? White people are superior
> because if you squint real hard under a microscope at their bones or teeth
> you can see "superior" written all over them?
Interesting. So you think White people are "superior"? I'm
surprised.
> > But believe what you will if it makes you feel better. I suppose next
> > you'll be telling us that there's no such thing as "sex" (as in
> > male vs female").
>
> In my house there's only femme and femmer.
Ah, so you're a single mother raising your daughter then? That's
very courageous of you.
BTW, which one of you is "femmer"?
The Reverend
By "spearchuckers" I assume you mean the ethnically challenged, i.e.
nigras?
It's far from being subjective nonsense. Each race has its
distinguishing characteristics. You're a spic, right?
Waldo
> > > > <sm...@nizkor.org> wrote in message
> >
> > > Wrong again, old fool. First of all, there is no "master race" concept
> > > in mainstream Judaism, and never has been. That is yours and Waldo's
> > > sick invention, designed to justify your own visceral hatreds. To the
> > > extent that such a thing might exist even on the fringes of Judaism
> > > today, it is a modern addition.
> >
> > What a Heaping Helping of Horseshit, Steve, and with Kosher Certified
> > Vanilla Icing and Rainbow Sprinkles on top! As a Jew familiar with
> > Judaism, you know well what the long-held beliefs of your "people"
> > are, and as if that weren't enough, you have been educated to the
> > contrary, right here in this forum, by myself and others.
> >
> > That you feel it necessary to lie, misdirect, and obfuscate in your
> > pathetic defense of your "tribe" says much, not only about your
> > character, but about your TRUE beliefs on Jews and Judaism, which, in
> > spite of all of their pernicious and fatal faults, you continue to
> > shamelessly defend.
> >
> > The question is, WHY?
>
> This is known as "begging the question". Waldo starts with the
> assumption that every hateful thing he believes about Jews is right.
> Therefore, it goes without saying that I am a liar, and the mere fact
> that I argue against him stands as yet another item of evidence of how
> nasty Jews like me are.
>
> > Below is an excerpt from a post that I directed to YOU back in December
> > of 2003. You asserted above that there was no "master race" concept in
> > mainstream Judaism, and never has been".
> >
> > Dump the dickering over semantics, Steve. Below are quotes from the
> > book of Isaiah in the Torah (Old Testament), and they are SUCH a Jewish
> > Supremacist, oligarchic, "Master Race" fantasy that anyhing Hitler
> > ever spoke or wrote would pale by comparison.
> >
> > (When reading this, keep the Jewish lie of the meaning of "Light Unto
> > Nations" in mind)
> >
> > <<Begin repost - emphasis marked with *asterisks* mine>>
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > _________________________________
> >
> > Arise, shine; for thy *light* is come, and the glory of the LORD is
> > risen upon thee.
> >
> > For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the
> > people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen
> > upon thee.
> >
> > And the *Gentiles shall come to thy light*, and kings to the brightness
> > of thy rising.
> >
> > Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves
> > together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy
> > daughters shall be nursed at [thy] side.
> >
> > Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and
> > be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto
> > thee, the *forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee*.
> >
> > The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and
> > Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall *bring gold and
> > incense*;
> > and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
> >
> > All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of
> > Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance
> > on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
> >
> > Who [are] these [that] fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their
> > windows?
> >
> > Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the *ships of Tarshish first, to
> > bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them*, unto the
> > name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he
> > hath glorified thee.
> >
> > And *the sons of strangers shall build up thy walls*, and their kings shall
> > minister unto thee: for in my wrath I smote thee, but in my favour have
> > I had mercy on thee.
> >
> > Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day
> > nor night; that [men] may *bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles*,
> > and [that] their kings [may be] brought.
> >
> > For *the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea,
> > [those] nations shall be utterly wasted*.
> >
> > The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree,
> > and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will
> > make the place of my feet glorious.
> >
> > The sons also of them that *afflicted* thee shall come bending unto thee; and
> > all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of
> > thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the
> > Holy One of Israel.
> >
> > Whereas thou hast been forsaken and *hated*, so that no man went through
> > [thee], I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
> >
> > Thou shalt also *suck the milk of the Gentiles*, and shalt *suck the breast of
> > kings*: and thou shalt know that I the LORD [am] thy Saviour and thy
> > Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
> >
> > For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood
> > brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and
> > thine exactors righteousness.
> >
> > Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within
> > thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
> >
> > The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall
> > the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an
> > everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
> >
> > Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself:
> > for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning
> > shall be ended.
> >
> > Thy people also [shall be] all righteous: they shall inherit the land for
> > ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be
> > glorified.
> >
> > A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation:
> > I the LORD will hasten it in his time.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > </quote>
> >
> > [Isaiah Chapter 60]
> >
> > (Lest any duped Gentiles be confused WRT the above, it speaks of nothing
> > less of total domination: An absolute oligarchy with Jews ruling
> > Gentiles. That, my friends, is what the "Light Unto Nations" really speaks of)
>
> LOL! Thank you for the demonstration, Waldo.
>
> I rest my case.
Then the world should be eternally grateful that you have chosen to be
a shill for Jews and the Holocaust, rather than a defense attorney.
Waldo
> > >> >> > Waldo wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> To understand this seemingly bizarre perspective, one must
> > >> >> >> understand
> > >> >> >> that it is based on the *core tenet of Judaism*: The Chosen People
> > >> >> >> dogma, or the age old Jewish belief that Jews are different,
> > >> >> >> special,
> > >> >> >> unique.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I'm sorry, but is there any nation, religion, culture or ethnic
> > >> >> > community on earth that does not consider itself "different,
> > >> >> > special,
> > >> >> > unique"? Isn't that what being a group is all about?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> that is a most resounding NO.
> > >> >
> > >> > A most resounding YES. The number of nations who have adopted a sense
> > >> > of divine election at some point in their histories overwhelms the
> > >> > number that hasn't, the the precise nature of the belief varies from
> > >> > case to case.
> > >>
> > >> None of this has transposed itself into the modern world, smockie, apart
> > >> from the stinky yids belief in their "master race" status.
> > >
> > > Wrong again, old fool. First of all, there is no "master race" concept
> > > in mainstream Judaism, and never has been.
> >
> > millennia.
>
> And you are absolutely certain that the meaning of this has remained
> consistent among all Jews throughout that period of time,
Well, there must have been a few Jews who, in spite of painstaking
instruction, never could quite get the gist of the meaning of "Chosen
People". It seems that I once heard of a Jew in Sheboygan Illinois,
(or was that Wisconsin? Anyway) ... And then of course there's Joe
"Jitsu" Bruno (who seems never to be very clear about anything),
and obviously there must be others scattered about.
So to say that the "meaning of this has remained consistent among
***all*** Jews throughout that period of time" would be to crawl in
bed with Mock's favorite strawman (stuff the strawman, Steve).
But by and large, YES.
> and that it
> this meaning is, indeed, the very modern "master race" notion you
> attribute to it?
No, Mr. Mock, you've got it bassackwards. The modern (Nazi) "Master
Race" ideology is more than likely modeled on the very OLD (Jewish)
"Chosen People" dogma, which served the Jews very well indeed.
Anyone who paid even a minor amount of attention to Jews and Judaism
(Hitler, for instance) would quickly notice something very peculiar
about these people: That Jews somehow managed to maintain an AMAZING
degree of ethnic cohesion and in-group cooperation, and to hold fast to
their identity AS Jews in spite of the obvious barriers they faced in
the form of time, language, local customs, and immense geographic
dispersion (not to mention being repeatedly crushed by pogroms and
uprooted by expulsions - but we'll get to that).
Looking into the matter a bit further, one would soon discover that the
PRIME factor that enabled Jews to maintain this ethnocentric cohesion
was the "Chosen People" dogma - coupled with a VERY strong tendency
to memorialize, sanctify and *celebrate* any "wrongs", real or
imagined, that any Jewish community may have "suffered" in the
past.
So the "Chosen People" dogma encompasses not only a great sense of
superiority, but an element of fear and xenophobia - a perpetual
disdain and mistrust of the outsider.
This xenophobic characteristic cannot be taken lightly, as there is one
threat to the continuation of Jews as a "nation" that makes the
pogroms, the Inquisitions, the expulsions, and even the "Holocaust"
PALE by comparison, and that threat is ASSIMILATION: The idea that Jews
would eventually become so comfortable in their host societies that
they would simply blend in and, losing their identity, would cease to
BE Jews altogether.
That the "Chosen People" should die a slow and painless death via
assimilation strikes FEAR into the heart of Jewish leaders, so much so
that they would rather see thousands of their fellows die at the hands
of the dreadful Goyim than to have the whole group simply evaporate
into the light of the Gentile day.
I have compared Judaism to a toy balloon, which requires both internal
*and* external pressure to maintain its form: (A) Too much external
pressure (i.e., a balloon under water) and the balloon shrinks; (B) Too
little external pressure (i.e., a balloon in a vacuum) and the balloon
simply explodes into irreparable tatters.
Obviously scenario (B) is a much greater threat than is (A), as there
is no hope of recovery, and to prevent this "disaster" from
befalling Judaism, the Jewish leadership has worked hard to assure that
the "fear of G_d" (fear of Gentiles) remains strong and at the
forefront of the Jewish mind, and when there is no *actual* threat to
Jews, they will happily *manufacture* a threat to serve the essential
purpose of terrorizing the maverick Jew back into the fold. The ADL/
B'nai Brith is the main functionary of this mission in the US and
Canada today, with similar arms operating throughout the world.
Back to the thrust: The "Chosen People" dogma was borrowed from the
Jews by the Nazis, and adopted as their OWN strategy to use *against*
the Jews, who they have now declared (and with a certain amount of good
reason) to be the arch-enemy of the German people, and of all Gentiles.
The Nazis replace the "enemy Gentile" with the "enemy Jew", and
use propaganda to alert the populace to the threat that this
"malicious outsider" poses to the well being of the State, and more
importantly, to the race as a whole.
It's an ideological arms race, and the Jews are well aware of the
DANGER of OTHER groups adopting their OWN strategy, which has served
them so well and for so long, and turning it AGAINST them.
That is why the Jews campaign so vociferously against "racism",
"bigotry", "discrimination" and "xenophobia", while they
themselves *embrace* and internalize all of these "evils". They
promote unbalanced immigration and race-mixing in Goyim cultures, but
do they tolerate these poisons in their OWN "homeland"? NO!!!
Think of it this way: Israel has nuclear weapons. Would they want their
neighbors to be similarly armed?
The Nazi "Master Race" ideology was the Jewish "Chosen People"
ideology, add the foreskin and subtract the Talmud and the Torah. The
strategy of the Jew was turned against him by a much larger and more
resourceful group, and the Jews didn't like it, not one little bit.
In the end, the Jews were victorious: After the war, they achieved
their Zionist goals, permanently demonized their enemy, and gained
power, freedoms and riches such as they could NEVER have imagined.
Do you think they'd be willing to risk having their strategy turned
on them yet again?
sm...@nizkor.org
> > > (Lest any duped Gentiles be confused WRT the above, it speaks of nothing
> > > less of total domination: An absolute oligarchy with Jews ruling
> > > Gentiles. That, my friends, is what the "Light Unto Nations" really speaks of)
> >
> > LOL! Thank you for the demonstration, Waldo.
> >
> > I rest my case.
>
> Then the world should be eternally grateful that you have chosen to be
> a shill for Jews and the Holocaust, rather than a defense attorney.
Alright then, Waldo, let's play with this a little bit more.
What, exactly, do you think this quote from Isaiah proves about Jews
today?
Cut 'n paste just isn't enough, old fruit. Make an argument.
Steven Mock
Waldo
ataturkey wrote:
> > >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
>
> >
> > No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
> > group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
> >
>
> helpless men, women and children in Lebanon. President Truman said it
> best:
>
> "The Jews have no sense of proportion. The Jews, I find are very,
> very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles,
> Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as DP as long as the
> Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical,
> financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them
> for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
>
> President Harry Truman, 6:00 P.M. Monday July 21, 1947
Excellent post, ATT.
I found the Truman quote to be particularly interesting.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
in message
<1153625138....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>> >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>More accurately, a human reaction to what the Jews do to others.
No mostly, it's a "reaction" to the lies told about Jews.
>> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>A lot of people are disgusted with the barbaric, savage mass murder of
>helpless men, women and children in Lebanon.
... and blame the Jews, when it was Hezbollah who started this latest
round of shooting -- to the point where Israel is getting blamed for
specific acts of destruction which demonstrably were conducted by
Hezbollah.
>President Truman said it best:
You mean when he supported the creation of the state of Israel?
sm...@nizkor.org
Really, Waldo? When have I ever lied in a discussion with you.
(Saying things that contradict your deeply-held faith system don't
count).
And, on the contrary, you know full well that I have answered this very
question from you in great detail before, supporting my answer with my
own textual cites. Your response, at the time, was, shall we say,
revealing, as to the true basis of your anti-Semitism.
Steven Mock
sm...@nizkor.org
in your explanation I would seriously contest... save for the
overheated rhetoric and bizarre political implications you attach to
the concept of "Chosenness", but that is obvious and uninteresting.
Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority, entitlement to
political dominantion, nor an adversarial relationship with other
groups. Such notions *could* be attached to the concept at certain
times and under certain circumstances, but are not inherent in the
concept itself, and therefore it does not follow from the fact that
this remains a Jewish concept that Jews necessarily harbour these
negative attitudes you attach to it.
What you do point out, which I would agree with, is that a notion of
ethnic election is an excellent mechanism for a group, such as the
Jews, to maintain cohesion as a group. Which, once again, throws quite
a light on the true nature of your anti-Semitism. All of these
overblown claims you make about what Jews collectively think - that
they are collectively racist, that they plot against the rest of
society, that they seek world domination, etc. - are just excuses to
mask the real reason you hate them: because they are different.
Because they have successfully maintained and continue to maintain a
distinct identity and culture within the broader society. You hate and
fear that which is different, and that, ultimately, is the true crime
of which those who identify as Jews are guilty.
And all of your overblown rhetoric as to how Jews supposedly consider
assimilation worse than death?... just turn that on its head and take a
look at what Waldo, is in fact, saying about *himself* and his own
ideology by stressing this. That the only way for Jews to ever become
acceptable in his eyes is to vanish as a distinct group, to disappear,
to cease to exist. It is their subborn failure to do so that makes
them Waldo's eternal enemies. Nothing more.
Steven Mock
fla...@verizon.net
On 23-Jul-2006, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be ataturkey wrote
> in message
> <1153625138....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
> >More accurately, a human reaction to what the Jews do to others.
>
> No mostly, it's a "reaction" to the lies told about Jews.
>
> >> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
> >> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>
> >A lot of people are disgusted with the barbaric, savage mass murder of
> >helpless men, women and children in Lebanon.
And here's a classic example of said lies
>
> ... and blame the Jews, when it was Hezbollah who started this latest
> round of shooting -- to the point where Israel is getting blamed for
> specific acts of destruction which demonstrably were conducted by
> Hezbollah.
And did we all miss that he equates Israel with Jews,
exposing yet again thathis supposed "anti-israelism" is
really just what we all knew it be all along - Jew-hatred?
>
> >President Truman said it best:
>
> You mean when he supported the creation of the state of Israel?
Slam-DUNK!
Susan
Ben Cramer
"Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be ataturkey wrote
> in message
> <1153625138....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>> >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>
>>More accurately, a human reaction to what the Jews do to others.
>
> No mostly, it's a "reaction" to the lies told about Jews.
Silly little man. It's a reaction to the perfidy of the yids.
Ben Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:xqIwg.8032$6G3.8006@trnddc05...
>
> On 23-Jul-2006, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>
>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be ataturkey wrote
>> in message
>> <1153625138....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >> >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
>>
>> >More accurately, a human reaction to what the Jews do to others.
>>
>> No mostly, it's a "reaction" to the lies told about Jews.
>>
>> >> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
>> >> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
>>
>> >A lot of people are disgusted with the barbaric, savage mass murder of
>> >helpless men, women and children in Lebanon.
>
> And here's a classic example of said lies
And you're a delusional, thick Irish cunt.
How's ya ring?
Miriam Cohen
Arabs and WWI and WWII - Israelis and Antisemitism
Hank Roth
Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:43:18 -0700
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Myths & Facts Online
Israels Roots
By Mitchell G. Bard
MYTH
The Arabs fought for freedom in World Wars I and II.
FACT
Contrary to the romantic fiction of the period, most of the Arabs did
not fight with the Allies against the Turks in World War I. David Lloyd
George, the British Prime Minister, noted that most Arabs fought for
their Turkish rulers. Faisal's supporters in Arabia were the exception.
In World War II, the Arabs were very slow to enter the war against
Hitler. Only Transjordan went along with the British in 1939. Iraq was
taken over by pro-Nazis in 1941 and joined the Axis powers. Most of the
Arab states sat on the fence, waiting until 1945 to see who would win.
By then, Germany was doomed and, since it was necessary to join the war
to qualify for membership in the nascent United Nations, the Arabs
belatedly began to declare war against Germany in 1945: Egypt, on
February 25; Syria, on February 27; Lebanon, on February 28; and Saudi
Arabia, on March 2. By contrast, some 30,000 Palestinian Jews fought
against Nazi Germany.
MYTH
Israeli policies cause anti-Semitism.
FACT
Anti-Semitism has existed for centuries, well before the rise of the
modern State of Israel. Rather than Israel being the cause of
anti-Semitism, it is more likely that the distorted media coverage of
Israeli policies is reinforcing latent anti-Semitic views.
As writer Leon Wieseltier observed, the notion that all Jews are
responsible for whatever any Jews do is not a Zionist notion. It is an
anti-Semitic notion. Wieseltier adds that attacks on Jews in Europe have
nothing whatsoever to do with Israel. To blame Jews for anti-Semitism is
similar to saying blacks are responsible for racism.
Many Jews may disagree with policies of a particular Israeli government,
but this does not mean that Israel is bad for the Jews. As Wieseltier
noted, Israel is not bad for the Jews of Russia, who may need a haven;
or for the Jews of Argentina, who may need a haven; or for any Jews who
may need a haven.34
As noted in the fact about criticism of Israel, taking issue with
Israeli policies is acceptable if you do so because you believe that a)
Israel has the right to exist, and b) that changes will make Israel a
better place. In fact, such criticism, by Israelis, can be found in the
Israeli media every day. Criticism crosses the line, however, when it
delegitimizes Israel and is intended to weaken rather than strengthen
its institutions.
Israel is the only state in the world today, and the Jews the only
people in the world today, that are the object of a standing set of
threats from governmental, religious, and terrorist bodies seeking their
destruction. And what is most disturbing is the silence, the
indifference, and sometimes even the indulgence, in the face of such
genocidal anti-Semitism.
Canadian Minister of Justice and Attorney General Irwin Cotler35
MYTH
Supporters of Israel only criticize Arabs and never Israelis.
FACT
Israel is not perfect. Even the most committed friends of Israel
acknowledge that the government sometimes makes mistakes, and that it
has not solved all the problems in its society. Supporters of Israel may
not emphasize these faults, however, because there is no shortage of
groups and individuals who are willing to do nothing but focus on
Israel's imperfections. The public usually has much less access to
Israel's side of the story of its conflict with the Arabs, or the
positive aspects of its society.
Israelis themselves are their own harshest critics. If you want to read
criticism of Israeli behavior, you do not need to seek out anti-Israel
sources, you can pick up any Israeli newspaper and find no shortage of
news and commentary critical of government policy. The rest of the
world's media provides constant attention to Israel and the coverage is
far more likely to be unfavorable than complimentary.
Israel's supporters believe Israel has a right to exist and that close
relations between Israel and other nations in the world is in everyone's
best interest. When friends criticize Israel, it is because they want
the country to be better. Israel's detractors do not have that goal;
they are more interested in delegitimizing the country, placing a wedge
between Israel and its allies, and working toward its destruction.
Friends of Israel do not try to whitewash the truth, but they do try to
put events in proper context. That is also our goal.
Notes
1Dan Bahat, ed. Twenty Centuries of Jewish Life in the Holy Land,
(Jerusalem:
The Israel Economist, 1976), pp. 61-63.
2New York Times, (November 18, 1981).
3Yehoshua Porath, The Emergence of the Palestinian-Arab National Movement,
1918-1929, (London: Frank Cass, 1974), p. 4.
4Max Dimont, Jews, God and History, (NY: Signet, 1962), pp. 49-53.
5Moshe Kohn, The Arabs Lie of the Land, Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).
6Yehoshua Porath, Palestinian Arab National Movement: From Riots to
Rebellion:
1929-1939, vol. 2, (London: Frank Cass and Co., Ltd., 1977), pp. 81-82.
7Moshe Kohn, The Arabs Lie of the Land, Jerusalem Post, (October 18, 1991).
8Avner Yaniv, PLO, (Jerusalem: Israel Universities Study Group of Middle
Eastern Affairs, August 1974), p. 5.
9Al-Qibla, (March 23, 1918), quoted in Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and
Fantasy in Palestine, (NY: Bantam Books, 1977), p. 128.
10British Government, Report of the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry,
1946,
Part VI, (April 20, 1946).
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Prejudice, (New York: Norton, 1999), p. 186.
11Howard Sachar, A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time,
(NY: Alfred A. Knopf, 1979), p. 129.
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1969), p. 108.
13Palestine Royal Commission Report, p. 233.
14Palestine Royal Commission Report, pp. 259-260.
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Eastern Studies, (April 1965), p. 243.
16Al-Qibla, (March 23, 1918), quoted in Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and
Fantasy in Palestine, (NY: Bantam Books, 1977), p. 128.
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18New York Times, (January 7, 1985).
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Gazette, No. 1171, February 16, 1954.
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Israel," Encounter, (December 1969), p. 24.
21White House briefing regarding U.S. threat to boycott the UN
Conference on
racism, (July 27, 2001).
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Howard Sachar, A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our
Time, (NY:
Alfred A. Knopf, 1979), p. 121.
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1970), p.
97.
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Failed
With Palestine and Again With Israel, (England: Dial Press, 1973), pp.
136-137.
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1970), p.
71-73.
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1918-1929, (London: Frank Cass, 1974), pp. 112-114.
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p. 6.
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Harper & Row, 1983), p. 485.
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1977), p. 55.
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464.
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35Jerusalem Post, (February 5, 2004).
http://www.mail-archive.com/pnews...@inyourface.info/msg00378.html
>>>President Truman said it best:
>>
>>You mean when he supported the creation of the state of Israel?
>
>
> Slam-DUNK!
>
> Susan
--
L'Chaim
Miriam
In the beginning
the Word already was.
Miriam Cohen
It also says that if things became uncomfortable enough Waldo would
abandon his "principles" in a nanosecond!
Pinky & Perky sing sad songs for the Lebanon
"teresita" <tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 +0000, The Reverend wrote:
>
>> Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'® is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>> behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>> being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>
> Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.<<
The problem seems to be that so many extra-gorgeous people are leaving their
own gorgeous countries and migrating to less gorgeous lands, thereby making
them every bit as gorgeous as the places they left behind.
The fact is that millions of not too gorgeous people would prefer their
countries to remain slightly ugly.- but in spite of that they find their
homelands getting more and more gorgeous with every passing year.
Except Israel, of course - they take great care not to allow their country
to become gorgeous.
Ben Cramer
"Miriam Cohen" <mimiNOi...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:SULwg.107787$iU2.7747@fed1read01...
>
> It also says that if things became uncomfortable enough Waldo would
> abandon his "principles" in a nanosecond!
Balls. Groucho Marx (another stinky yid) summed you cunts up beatifully when
he said "I've got principles yanno. And if you don't like these, I've got
others".
Ron Jacobson
Ben Cramer <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Balls. Groucho Marx (another stinky yid)
(snip further Benjie)
Do calm down, Benjie. Soon, your little brother will arrive
with the new shipment, and everything will be fine.
"my younger Brother got me absolutely stoned on magic mushrooms.
I spent three days sitting in the corner of the tent waiting to come
down." -- the neo-Nazi "Ben Cramer" reflects on his usage of
hallucinatory drugs. Source:
Message-ID: <1125123267.5e5d281ad88798917af26011bcb01dc0@teranews>
There you go. That's a good lad.
RJ.
Waldo
> This is actually quite interesting, Waldo, insofar as there is little
> in your explanation I would seriously contest...
Ah. Then we agree. (Or do we?)
> save for the
> overheated rhetoric and bizarre political implications you attach to
> the concept of "Chosenness",
These "implications" are an (arguably inevitable) evolutionary
product of this type of belief system.
> but that is obvious and uninteresting.
> Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
> basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
> necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority,
A predictable response, given that you deny the "racial" aspect of
Jewishness. But then "racial" was your choice of words, not mine.
And who told you that a "doctrine of innate superiority" must be
based on "race"?
You're a word-weasel, Mr. Mock.
> entitlement to
> political dominantion,
Promised to Jews by "G_d" in the Torah.
> nor an adversarial relationship with other
> groups.
Ordered by "G_d" in the Torah, unless the other groups made
themselves totally subservient to the Jews. OTOH, "G_d" simply
ordered the Jews to commit full scale *genocide* against certain other
groups- particularly those in close proximity to the "Promised
Land". Indeed, the Jewish State seems to be working toward this goal
even as we speak, don't they?
Are you now going to deny "G_d" and the Torah, or insist that Jews
have abandoned either?
> Such notions *could* be attached to the concept at certain
> times and under certain circumstances, but are not inherent in the
> concept itself,
Perhaps not inherent to the concept itself, but innate to Judaism's
application of the concept, and demonstrably intrinsic in the history
of the Jews.
> and therefore it does not follow from the fact that
> this remains a Jewish concept that Jews necessarily harbour these
> negative attitudes you attach to it.
Certainly not ***all*** Jews do (attempted strawman torched), and
whether or not these attitudes are "negative" would depend on the
perspective of the observer - as the members of any group that embraces
these supremacist concepts would likely see them as holding a
*positive* connotation, at least for the interests of their clique.
> What you do point out, which I would agree with, is that a notion of
> ethnic election is an excellent mechanism for a group, such as the
> Jews, to maintain cohesion as a group.
(Interesting. Then it seems that you would agree that the push to
"multiculturalize" the Wester world is a destructive movement aimed
at destabilizing Western societies, no?)
Also, it is important that you not discount the intergroup competition
that would naturally arise in any such scenario, and the importance of
establishing a system or "code" for defining in-group and out-group
members, with different sets of rules for interacting with each. This
would be essential for the purpose of creating a competitive advantage
which favors the interests of the group. I touched on this earlier when
I spoke of "institutionalized xenophobia".
> Which, once again, throws quite
> a light on the true nature of your anti-Semitism.
(Mock bares the fangs)
> All of these
> overblown claims you make about what Jews collectively think - that
> they are collectively racist, that they plot against the rest of
> society, that they seek world domination, etc.
"By their fruits ye shall know them".
> - are just excuses to
> mask the real reason you hate them: because they are different.
I know you won't believe this, though I've told you before: I
don't "hate" Jews, Mr. Mock, neither do I "hate" you, nor any
of your cohorts. It is true that I am regularly amused and occasionally
taken aback at the lengths you and yours are willing to go and the
depths to which you will shamelessly sink in your twisting, writhing
and contorting in to avoid conceding a point, or to acknowledge an
uncomfortable truth.
"Hate" is a very taxing, unhealthy emotion that consumes the spirit
and the psyche. It bears little benefit to either the individual hater
or the object of his hatred, and there are certainly more productive
approaches for dealing with persons, systems, groups or events with
which one finds himself in disagreement.
> Because they have successfully maintained and continue to maintain a
> distinct identity and culture within the broader society.
They have, and they do.
> You hate and
> fear that which is different, and that, ultimately, is the true crime
> of which those who identify as Jews are guilty.
So you accuse me of being obsessive-compulsive, and unable to tolerate
the presence of Jews in broader society - much as one might become
obsessed with removing a blue jellybean from a bowl of red jellybeans,
is that it?
Then you must think that I positively LOATHE the Amish, with their
horses and buggies, funny clothes, backward ways, and aversion to
indoor plumbing. But you don't see me commenting on them. Why do you
suppose THAT is?
Sorry Mr. Mock, but, as I have explained to you many times past, my
criticism of Jews is based on my observation that Jews, as a group, are
obsessed with (and very skilled at) manipulating each and every one of
their host societies in ways that will benefit Jews and *their* agenda,
and that these manipulations almost inevitably work to the DETRIMENT of
the interests of their host society.
> And all of your overblown rhetoric as to how Jews supposedly consider
> assimilation worse than death?...
For Jews, assimilation *is* "death" - death to the Jewish
"nation", death to the lineage of "the Chosen", and this is an
unbearable thought to the elders and adherents.
> just turn that on its head and take a
> look at what Waldo, is in fact, saying about *himself* and his own
> ideology by stressing this.
I merely echo the words of the rabbis, Steve. And believe me, they are
MUCH more passionate about the subject of assimilation than am I.
> That the only way for Jews to ever become
> acceptable in his eyes is to vanish as a distinct group, to disappear,
> to cease to exist. It is their subborn failure to do so that makes
> them Waldo's eternal enemies. Nothing more.
Clearly your mindset remains trapped in the religio-ethnic sink of your
group. Let me ask you this: Do you think that persons who adhere to the
Nazi ideology should be granted a legitimate place in society? If not,
why not? And in what ways could Nazis change their ideology so that
you *would* consider granting them a legitimate place in society?
After you answer, have a long, hard look in the mirror.
Waldo
fla...@verizon.net wrote:
> On 23-Jul-2006, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>
> > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > someone claiming to be ataturkey wrote
> > in message
> > <1153625138....@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > >> >Anti-Semitism is a human reaction to Jews... End Of Story.
> >
> > >More accurately, a human reaction to what the Jews do to others.
> >
> > No mostly, it's a "reaction" to the lies told about Jews.
> >
> > >> No, anti-semitism is an *irrational* reaction of hate for an entire
> > >> group of people, mostly of whom you have not nor ever will encounter.
> >
> > >A lot of people are disgusted with the barbaric, savage mass murder of
> > >helpless men, women and children in Lebanon.
>
> And here's a classic example of said lies
> >
> > ... and blame the Jews, when it was Hezbollah who started this latest
> > round of shooting -- to the point where Israel is getting blamed for
> > specific acts of destruction which demonstrably were conducted by
> > Hezbollah.
>
> And did we all miss that he equates Israel with Jews,
Oh, slander of slanders!!! To equate the Jewish State with *Jews*!!
You really should sue, Schmoozan.
> exposing yet again thathis supposed "anti-israelism" is
> really just what we all knew it be all along - Jew-hatred?
According to Israel, all Jews are "citizens" of the Jewish State.
Granted, not all Jews agree with Israeli policy (or even its existence,
for that matter) but then , not all birds fly south for the winter.
> > >President Truman said it best:
> >
> > You mean when he supported the creation of the state of Israel?
>
> Slam-DUNK!
Given the Truman quote in question, I'm not surprised that he'd
support the idea of getting as many Jews as possible in one, manageable
location.
Waldo
LOL! Very well put!
sm...@nizkor.org
> sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > but that is obvious and uninteresting.
> > Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
> > basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
> > necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority,
>
> A predictable response, given that you deny the "racial" aspect of
> Jewishness. But then "racial" was your choice of words, not mine.
> And who told you that a "doctrine of innate superiority" must be
> based on "race"?
>
> You're a word-weasel, Mr. Mock.
Alright, then. Take out the word "racial". My point still stands that
the notion does nto in any way necessitate any doctrine of innate
superiority. In fact, in its purest form, ethnic election precludes
natural superiority and makes entitlement entirely dependant on proper
behaviour.
> > entitlement to
> > political dominantion,
>
> Promised to Jews by "G_d" in the Torah.
>
> > nor an adversarial relationship with other
> > groups.
>
> Ordered by "G_d" in the Torah, unless the other groups made
> themselves totally subservient to the Jews. OTOH, "G_d" simply
> ordered the Jews to commit full scale *genocide* against certain other
> groups- particularly those in close proximity to the "Promised
> Land". Indeed, the Jewish State seems to be working toward this goal
> even as we speak, don't they?
>
> Are you now going to deny "G_d" and the Torah, or insist that Jews
> have abandoned either?
Waldo, do you not get it yet? The Torah is a big book. It has a lot
of different (sometimes even conflicting) stuff in it. It can be read
many different ways. You could mine *any* religion or culture's corpus
of sacred writings and find verses you could spin with this sort of
extremist reading. Your ability to do so says NOTHING about how Jews
of today construct their identity in their relationship to others.
Do you really think that any sigificant number of Jews go walking down
the street on a nice summer day, musing "gee, I can't wait until I'm
ruling the Gentiles in the absolute Jewish oligarchy that was promised
to me in Isaiah 60."
<snip: a bunch of repetative assertions>
> > What you do point out, which I would agree with, is that a notion of
> > ethnic election is an excellent mechanism for a group, such as the
> > Jews, to maintain cohesion as a group.
>
> (Interesting. Then it seems that you would agree that the push to
> "multiculturalize" the Wester world is a destructive movement aimed
> at destabilizing Western societies, no?)
No. How, exactly, do you read this into my statement?
> Also, it is important that you not discount the intergroup competition
> that would naturally arise in any such scenario,
I don't discount it as a possibility, but I do not share your belief
that it would "naturally" arise, at least not in a healthy society.
The most successful societies are those that enable intergroup
co-operation.
> and the importance of
> establishing a system or "code" for defining in-group and out-group
> members, with different sets of rules for interacting with each.
Um, yeah. That's what being a group means, whether you're a religious,
cultural, national, political, social or professional unit. But this
need not be as extreme as you make it out to be.
> > You hate and
> > fear that which is different, and that, ultimately, is the true crime
> > of which those who identify as Jews are guilty.
>
> So you accuse me of being obsessive-compulsive, and unable to tolerate
> the presence of Jews in broader society - much as one might become
> obsessed with removing a blue jellybean from a bowl of red jellybeans,
> is that it?
>
> Then you must think that I positively LOATHE the Amish, with their
> horses and buggies, funny clothes, backward ways, and aversion to
> indoor plumbing. But you don't see me commenting on them. Why do you
> suppose THAT is?
Nah. It just so happens that your obsessive paranoia has chosen to
focus on the Jews. Why, exactly, this is I couldn't say, as I don't
know your personal history. And frankly I don't really care.
> Sorry Mr. Mock, but, as I have explained to you many times past, my
> criticism of Jews is based on my observation that Jews, as a group, are
> obsessed with (and very skilled at) manipulating each and every one of
> their host societies in ways that will benefit Jews and *their* agenda,
> and that these manipulations almost inevitably work to the DETRIMENT of
> the interests of their host society.
Exactly. It is based on a hateful delusion that you obsessively read
into everything you see by and about Jews. Hence my conclusion.
> > And all of your overblown rhetoric as to how Jews supposedly consider
> > assimilation worse than death?...
>
> For Jews, assimilation *is* "death" - death to the Jewish
> "nation", death to the lineage of "the Chosen", and this is an
> unbearable thought to the elders and adherents.
Glad you're still claiming the right to speak for us collectively,
Waldo.
> > That the only way for Jews to ever become
> > acceptable in his eyes is to vanish as a distinct group, to disappear,
> > to cease to exist. It is their subborn failure to do so that makes
> > them Waldo's eternal enemies. Nothing more.
>
> Clearly your mindset remains trapped in the religio-ethnic sink of your
> group. Let me ask you this: Do you think that persons who adhere to the
> Nazi ideology should be granted a legitimate place in society? If not,
> why not? And in what ways could Nazis change their ideology so that
> you *would* consider granting them a legitimate place in society?
>
> After you answer, have a long, hard look in the mirror.
We've been through this false analogy before, Waldo. Nazism is an
ideology with clearly defined tenets. When you speak of Jews and
Judaism, it is clear in your discourse that you are speaking not of
specific ideologial tenets and those specific people who hold to them -
rather you start with the group of *people* pre-defined as "Jews", to
whom you collectively attribute certain behaviours and attitudes. Your
attributions are not honest, but rather the product of clearly
demonstrable paranoia and racist generalisation. Hence the "mirror"
you are asking me to look into is a distorted one.
Steven Mock
The Reverend
>Waldo wrote:
>> sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
>> > but that is obvious and uninteresting.
>> > Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
>> > basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
>> > necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority,
>>
>> A predictable response, given that you deny the "racial" aspect of
>> Jewishness. But then "racial" was your choice of words, not mine.
>> And who told you that a "doctrine of innate superiority" must be
>> based on "race"?
>>
>> You're a word-weasel, Mr. Mock.
>
>Alright, then. Take out the word "racial". My point still stands that
>the notion does nto in any way necessitate any doctrine of innate
>superiority. In fact, in its purest form, ethnic election precludes
>natural superiority and makes entitlement entirely dependant on proper
>behaviour.
Hello schmock, long time no hear!
What newsgroup(s) do you infest these days?
Ben Cramer
distortions and out of context statements.
An utter gobshite, you, ronnie.
Gospel Bretts
Reverend) wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:35:53 GMT, Gospel Bretts
><Halle...@Jesus.Amen> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:26:44 -0700, teresita
>><tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:45:02 +0000, The Reverend wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wrong. 'Anti-semitism'Ž is a perfectly rational reaction to jew
>>>> behaviour. The very same jew behaviour that has resulted in jews
>>>> being kicked out of more countries than any other race in history.
>>>
>>>Jews aren't a "race", in fact there isn't any such thing as race.
>>>Everyone is various gorgeous shades of brown, as a matter of fact.
>>>
>>
>>There's less genetic variation within Homo sapiens than within most
>>other species. There appears to have been a genetic "bottle neck" in
>>relatively recent pre-historic time, when our numbers were so low that
>>we were in danger of extinction.
>
>The genetic variation that does exist is sufficient to distinguish one
>race from another.
And it's sufficient to distinguish normal decent folk from cretins
like you.
------------------
Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist
The Reverend
How very politically correct of you, asshole.
Waldo
sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> Waldo wrote:
> > sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
>
> > > but that is obvious and uninteresting.
> > > Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
> > > basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
> > > necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority,
> >
> > A predictable response, given that you deny the "racial" aspect of
> > Jewishness. But then "racial" was your choice of words, not mine.
> > And who told you that a "doctrine of innate superiority" must be
> > based on "race"?
> >
> > You're a word-weasel, Mr. Mock.
>
> Alright, then. Take out the word "racial". My point still stands that
> the notion does nto in any way necessitate any doctrine of innate
> superiority.
Your assertion does not detract from the fact that Jews have practiced
a doctrine of superiority throughout their history. Disagree? Argue
the issue with Salo Baron, Max Dimont, and other celebrated Jewish
historians of Judaism.
> In fact, in its purest form, ethnic election precludes
> natural superiority and makes entitlement entirely dependant on proper
> behaviour.
Empty words. Substantiate them.
> > > entitlement to
> > > political dominantion,
> >
> > Promised to Jews by "G_d" in the Torah.
> >
> > > nor an adversarial relationship with other
> > > groups.
> >
> > Ordered by "G_d" in the Torah, unless the other groups made
> > themselves totally subservient to the Jews. OTOH, "G_d" simply
> > ordered the Jews to commit full scale *genocide* against certain other
> > groups- particularly those in close proximity to the "Promised
> > Land". Indeed, the Jewish State seems to be working toward this goal
> > even as we speak, don't they?
> >
> > Are you now going to deny "G_d" and the Torah, or insist that Jews
> > have abandoned either?
>
> Waldo, do you not get it yet? The Torah is a big book.
Yes.
> It has a lot
> of different (sometimes even conflicting) stuff in it. It can be read
> many different ways.
As I quoted earlier, "By their fruits ye shall know them". Talk and
excuses are cheap, it is the demonstrable patterns of behavior that
betray the true beliefs and agendas.
> You could mine *any* religion or culture's corpus
> of sacred writings and find verses you could spin with this sort of
> extremist reading. Your ability to do so says NOTHING about how Jews
> of today construct their identity in their relationship to others.
It is your pathetic apologetics that say "nothing", Mr Mock.
> Do you really think that any sigificant number of Jews go walking down
> the street on a nice summer day, musing "gee, I can't wait until I'm
> ruling the Gentiles in the absolute Jewish oligarchy that was promised
> to me in Isaiah 60."
Do you think that any significant number of "Christians" regularly
muse over the Second Coming of Christ? Of course they do, it is a
keystone in their belief system.
> <snip: a bunch of repetative assertions>
>
> > > What you do point out, which I would agree with, is that a notion of
> > > ethnic election is an excellent mechanism for a group, such as the
> > > Jews, to maintain cohesion as a group.
> >
> > (Interesting. Then it seems that you would agree that the push to
> > "multiculturalize" the Wester world is a destructive movement aimed
> > at destabilizing Western societies, no?)
>
> No. How, exactly, do you read this into my statement?
Group (J) has a strategy that has proven remarkably effective for their
success in competition with other groups. Group (J) realizes that if
OTHER groups adopt a similar strategy, they will LOSE their competitive
advantage, so they work, by any means available, to PREVENT the other
groups from adopting said strategy.
This is why Jews PUSH "multiculturalism", race-mixing and unbridled
immigration on their host countries, while flatly REJECTING these
practices in their own nests.
Jews EARN their enemies. They work hard to get them, and they deserve
them.
> > Also, it is important that you not discount the intergroup competition
> > that would naturally arise in any such scenario,
>
> I don't discount it as a possibility, but I do not share your belief
> that it would "naturally" arise, at least not in a healthy society.
> The most successful societies are those that enable intergroup
> co-operation.
Really? Why do you suppose the Jew has been seen as a pariah, and
booted out of more regions/countries than they can count?
> > and the importance of
> > establishing a system or "code" for defining in-group and out-group
> > members, with different sets of rules for interacting with each.
>
> Um, yeah. That's what being a group means, whether you're a religious,
> cultural, national, political, social or professional unit. But this
> need not be as extreme as you make it out to be.
Once again, we're talking about what Jews have actually put into
*practice* in dealing with out-group members as opposed to other Jews.
> > > You hate and
> > > fear that which is different, and that, ultimately, is the true crime
> > > of which those who identify as Jews are guilty.
> >
> > So you accuse me of being obsessive-compulsive, and unable to tolerate
> > the presence of Jews in broader society - much as one might become
> > obsessed with removing a blue jellybean from a bowl of red jellybeans,
> > is that it?
> >
> > Then you must think that I positively LOATHE the Amish, with their
> > horses and buggies, funny clothes, backward ways, and aversion to
> > indoor plumbing. But you don't see me commenting on them. Why do you
> > suppose THAT is?
>
> Nah. It just so happens that your obsessive paranoia has chosen to
> focus on the Jews. Why, exactly, this is I couldn't say, as I don't
> know your personal history. And frankly I don't really care.
There are differences in the ways that the Amish interact with broader
society as opposed to the Jews. Are you astute (or rather, honest)
enough to identify these differences?
(Stuff the strawman, Steve)
> > Sorry Mr. Mock, but, as I have explained to you many times past, my
> > criticism of Jews is based on my observation that Jews, as a group, are
> > obsessed with (and very skilled at) manipulating each and every one of
> > their host societies in ways that will benefit Jews and *their* agenda,
> > and that these manipulations almost inevitably work to the DETRIMENT of
> > the interests of their host society.
>
> Exactly. It is based on a hateful delusion that you obsessively read
> into everything you see by and about Jews. Hence my conclusion.
Just the facts, ma'am. Go ahead, take off your shoe and pound the
desk like Kruschev. Insist that snow is black and hot. See where it
gets you.
> > > And all of your overblown rhetoric as to how Jews supposedly consider
> > > assimilation worse than death?...
> >
> > For Jews, assimilation *is* "death" - death to the Jewish
> > "nation", death to the lineage of "the Chosen", and this is an
> > unbearable thought to the elders and adherents.
>
> Glad you're still claiming the right to speak for us collectively,
> Waldo.
Just the facts, ma'am.
> > > That the only way for Jews to ever become
> > > acceptable in his eyes is to vanish as a distinct group, to disappear,
> > > to cease to exist. It is their subborn failure to do so that makes
> > > them Waldo's eternal enemies. Nothing more.
> >
> > Clearly your mindset remains trapped in the religio-ethnic sink of your
> > group. Let me ask you this: Do you think that persons who adhere to the
> > Nazi ideology should be granted a legitimate place in society? If not,
> > why not? And in what ways could Nazis change their ideology so that
> > you *would* consider granting them a legitimate place in society?
> >
> > After you answer, have a long, hard look in the mirror.
>
> We've been through this false analogy before, Waldo.
It's not a false analogy, and you've simply dodged it before, as
you're trying to do right now.
> Nazism is an
> ideology with clearly defined tenets.
So is Judaism.
> When you speak of Jews and
> Judaism, it is clear in your discourse that you are speaking not of
> specific ideologial tenets and those specific people who hold to them -
> rather you start with the group of *people* pre-defined as "Jews",
Who else would hold to the tenets of Judaism? The Watusis?
> to
> whom you collectively attribute certain behaviours and attitudes. Your
> attributions are not honest, but rather the product of clearly
> demonstrable paranoia and racist generalisation. Hence the "mirror"
> you are asking me to look into is a distorted one.
No one said introspection would be easy, Mr. Mock.
Answer the question:
Do you think that persons who adhere to the
Nazi ideology should be granted a legitimate place in society? If not,
why not? And in what ways could Nazis change their ideology so that
you *would* consider granting them a legitimate place in society?
**
Waldo
Observer at Large
sm...@nizkor.org
> sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> > Waldo wrote:
> > > sm...@nizkor.org wrote:
> >
> > > > but that is obvious and uninteresting.
> > > > Beyond that, your explanation of the concept is valid, albeit on a very
> > > > basic level, and one will note that it does *not* in any way
> > > > necessitate any doctrine of innate "racial" superiority,
> > >
> > > A predictable response, given that you deny the "racial" aspect of
> > > Jewishness. But then "racial" was your choice of words, not mine.
> > > And who told you that a "doctrine of innate superiority" must be
> > > based on "race"?
> > >
> > > You're a word-weasel, Mr. Mock.
> >
> > Alright, then. Take out the word "racial". My point still stands that
> > the notion does nto in any way necessitate any doctrine of innate
> > superiority.
>
> Your assertion does not detract from the fact that Jews have practiced
> a doctrine of superiority throughout their history. Disagree? Argue
> the issue with Salo Baron, Max Dimont, and other celebrated Jewish
> historians of Judaism.
They're not here, Waldo. I'm arguing it with you. And you have never
substantiated this belief of yours.
> > In fact, in its purest form, ethnic election precludes
> > natural superiority and makes entitlement entirely dependant on proper
> > behaviour.
>
> Empty words. Substantiate them.
You haven't yet substantiated your bald assertion that this notion,
every time it appears, implies natural superiority. I am merely
offering you an alternative way of looking at the sources you are
citing, which themselves imply no such thing.
I can elaborate if you like. The core tenet of Judaism as a religion
is the notion of a convenant with God - a contract, binding to
subsequent generations, that God will protect and have a special
relationship with his people if and *only if* they accept and follow
his law. The overall theme of the Torah - and especially the books of
the prophets - is how the fortunes of the people were, throughout their
ancient history, entirely dependent on the extent to which they were
faithful to the covenant.
Viewed in this light, your little quotes from Isaiah look a lot
different, don't they? Indeed, you are reading these quotes through a
very Christian notion of what a prophetic text is for. You see the
role of the prophet as being to predict things that are to come to past
in the distant future - and Isaiah is merely predicting a day when the
Jews will be dominant. But the Jewish notion of the prophet - evident
in a thorough reading of these texts, and not just Waldo's Selected
Snippets - is that his or her primary role is to call people back to
the path of proper behaviour. Predicting the future is really just a
card trick he performs in order to demonstrate that he genuinely has
the ear of God.
In which case, your quote from Isaiah - which says nothing about a
Jewish oligarchy, contra your interpolations - would be saying this:
quit your wicked ways and follow God's law, and the result will be a
society so prosperous and happy that other nations, even those that
currently despise you, will be awed with respect and flock to you to
give you tribute, wishing to be governed in the same way so as to be as
happy and prosperous as you are.
<snip: a lot of empty banter>
> > > > What you do point out, which I would agree with, is that a notion of
> > > > ethnic election is an excellent mechanism for a group, such as the
> > > > Jews, to maintain cohesion as a group.
> > >
> > > (Interesting. Then it seems that you would agree that the push to
> > > "multiculturalize" the Wester world is a destructive movement aimed
> > > at destabilizing Western societies, no?)
> >
> > No. How, exactly, do you read this into my statement?
>
> Group (J) has a strategy that has proven remarkably effective for their
> success in competition with other groups. Group (J) realizes that if
> OTHER groups adopt a similar strategy, they will LOSE their competitive
> advantage, so they work, by any means available, to PREVENT the other
> groups from adopting said strategy.
Right. That's *your* belief. It is in no way implied in what I said.
But thank you for yet another demonstration as to how you filter
everything you read through your bedrock faith in Jewish mendacity.
> This is why Jews PUSH "multiculturalism", race-mixing and unbridled
> immigration on their host countries, while flatly REJECTING these
> practices in their own nests.
You know, Waldo, before you disappeared from Usenet last time, I put a
question to you that you never answered. Maybe we could revisit it.
One of your most repeated claims is that Jews who favour diversity are
asserting a different standard for American society than they assert
for Jewish culture. But this claim never really goes beyond bald
assertion. Frankly I don't see the difference.
Anyone of any racial or cultural background can become an American.
Anyone of any racial or cultural background can become a Jew.
Anyone who wants to immigrate to the United States has to meet certain
(non-ascriptive) criterea and undergo a defined legal process. Anyone
who wants to convert to Judaism must meet certain (non-ascriptive)
criterea and undergo a defined legal process.
Immigrants to the United States must assimilate certain common cultural
norms and are expected to have some loyalty/identification with the
nation-state, but beyond that may maintain their own distinctiveness
and occupy a sub-set within the broader culture. Same with Judaism.
Beyond these conditions for joining the group from outside, anyone with
American parents has a special right to claim American citizenship,
just as anyone with a Jewish mother has the right to claim
incorporation into the Jewish group.
So what's the problem? What do these collective "Jews" supposedly
advocate for others that they do not advocate for themselves?
> > > Also, it is important that you not discount the intergroup competition
> > > that would naturally arise in any such scenario,
> >
> > I don't discount it as a possibility, but I do not share your belief
> > that it would "naturally" arise, at least not in a healthy society.
> > The most successful societies are those that enable intergroup
> > co-operation.
>
> Really? Why do you suppose the Jew has been seen as a pariah, and
> booted out of more regions/countries than they can count?
I'm sure there is a connection between my argument and your question
somewhere in that deluded mind of yours.
> > > and the importance of
> > > establishing a system or "code" for defining in-group and out-group
> > > members, with different sets of rules for interacting with each.
> >
> > Um, yeah. That's what being a group means, whether you're a religious,
> > cultural, national, political, social or professional unit. But this
> > need not be as extreme as you make it out to be.
>
> Once again, we're talking about what Jews have actually put into
> *practice* in dealing with out-group members as opposed to other Jews.
Right. Begging the question with your assumptions once more. Whenever
it is pointed out that your conclusion does not follow from your
premise, always resort to the same bald assertion: BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT
JEWS DO.
> > > > You hate and
> > > > fear that which is different, and that, ultimately, is the true crime
> > > > of which those who identify as Jews are guilty.
> > >
> > > So you accuse me of being obsessive-compulsive, and unable to tolerate
> > > the presence of Jews in broader society - much as one might become
> > > obsessed with removing a blue jellybean from a bowl of red jellybeans,
> > > is that it?
> > >
> > > Then you must think that I positively LOATHE the Amish, with their
> > > horses and buggies, funny clothes, backward ways, and aversion to
> > > indoor plumbing. But you don't see me commenting on them. Why do you
> > > suppose THAT is?
> >
> > Nah. It just so happens that your obsessive paranoia has chosen to
> > focus on the Jews. Why, exactly, this is I couldn't say, as I don't
> > know your personal history. And frankly I don't really care.
>
> There are differences in the ways that the Amish interact with broader
> society as opposed to the Jews. Are you astute (or rather, honest)
> enough to identify these differences?
The Amish, for the most part, withdraw from the broader society. The
majority of Jews are fully integrated.
I suppose that is a fair explanation as to why your xenophobia is
stoked more by the latter: they don't wear yellow stars anymore.
Rather, they are in your midst, and you never know when one of them
might cross your path.
> > > Clearly your mindset remains trapped in the religio-ethnic sink of your
> > > group. Let me ask you this: Do you think that persons who adhere to the
> > > Nazi ideology should be granted a legitimate place in society? If not,
> > > why not? And in what ways could Nazis change their ideology so that
> > > you *would* consider granting them a legitimate place in society?
> > >
> > > After you answer, have a long, hard look in the mirror.
> >
> > We've been through this false analogy before, Waldo.
>
> It's not a false analogy, and you've simply dodged it before, as
> you're trying to do right now.
>
> > Nazism is an
> > ideology with clearly defined tenets.
>
> So is Judaism.
Judaism is not an "ideology", Waldo. You want to believe that it is.
> > When you speak of Jews and
> > Judaism, it is clear in your discourse that you are speaking not of
> > specific ideologial tenets and those specific people who hold to them -
> > rather you start with the group of *people* pre-defined as "Jews",
>
> Who else would hold to the tenets of Judaism? The Watusis?
The point, Waldo, is that the definition of "Nazi" starts with the
tenets of the ideology. The group is identified solely according to
those who adhere to the tenets in question.
Your hatred does not attach solely to individuals who believe certain
things. Where that the case, you would be a rational human being.
Rather, you take a body of people and attach certain beliefs
collectively TO them, so as to rationalise your hatred of them as
people.
Steven Mock
sm...@nizkor.org
mind if I took this opportunity to summarise my impressions of how this
discussion between us goes *every time* we get into it.
(Quotes are obviously paraphrases; the logical fallacies you invoke
will be named in square brackets)
Waldo: Jews are racial supremicists dedicated to dominating the world
and subverting Gentile society. This is the central tenet of their
ideology, and this is how they have earned the violence done to them in
the past.
Steve: You're a nutter.
Waldo: Oh yeah. Well here are quotes from impeccible JEWISH sources.
<quote> <quote> <quote>. Are you saying that these JEWISH sources are
lying? [loaded question]
Steve: No, I'm saying you are lying about the sources. They don't say
anything about racial superiority, dominating the world, or subverting
Gentile society. They *could* be read that way if they are filtered
through your presumptions. But they could also be read this way...
Waldo: Ah, so here comes Spinmeister Mock claiming that these quotes
say something other than what they say. [ad hominem]
Steve: Um... didn't I just made an argument illustrating that that's
what you just did.
Waldo: Yeah, well "its by their fruits that ye shall know them", and
Jews are racial supremicists and they do try and dominate the world and
subvert Gentile society, so my interpretation of these quotes and
claims as to their centrality to Jewish thought must be true. [begging
the question]
Steve: Time to go back on the meds, Waldo.
Steven Mock
John Baker
<[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"teresita" <tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
>news:pan.2006.07.23...@localhost.localdomain...
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:39:09 -0700, Waldo wrote:
>>
>>> Really? It's all about "skin color" then, is it? How is it that
>>> forensic pathologists are able to identify a person's "race" just
>>> by examining defleshed bones, or sometimes just the teeth?
>>
>> You mean that's what this is all about? White people are superior
>> because if you squint real hard under a microscope at their bones or teeth
>> you can see "superior" written all over them?
>>
>>> But believe what you will if it makes you feel better. I suppose next
>>> you'll be telling us that there's no such thing as "sex" (as in
>>> male vs female").
>>
>> In my house there's only femme and femmer.
>
>A trough licker already.
If I had to choose between a "trough licker" and an idiot, you'd lose.
>
>
>
Ben Cramer
"John Baker" <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:21vbc258tv0kkc9ff...@4ax.com...
Who rattled you cage, you jew arse licking cunt?
fla...@verizon.net
On 25-Jul-2006, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:43:46 +1000, "Ben Cramer"
> <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"teresita" <tere...@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
> >news:pan.2006.07.23...@localhost.localdomain...
> >>
> >>
> >> In my house there's only femme and femmer.
> >
> >A trough licker already.
>
> If I had to choose between a "trough licker" and an idiot, you'd lose.
>
Of course - the girls are at least human.
Susan
The Reverend
>Suzy
What would you call a th*ck Irish cunt that gets porked up the ass
every Friday, Suzy?
Ben Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:71qxg.11522$Oz3.2598@trnddc02...
Trough lickers are an abomination in your religious tomes, you thick Irish
cunt.