Nazis on Internet
Warren Burstein
POLLUTING INTERNET: Neo-Nazis, barred by German law from disseminating
literature denying the Holocaust, have taken to distributing it on
Internet, the worldwide computer-access network. German's public TV
said they are using Internet - which includes bulletin boards and
other information-exchange facilities - to publicize demonstrations,
distribute hate literature, and send out racist games to computer
users around the world.
Sounds like more than shows up in this group. Where else is it going
on?
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Jason Smith
In a previous article, war...@vaccine.worlds.com (Warren Burstein) says:
>
>Sounds like more than shows up in this group. Where else is it going
>on?
Well, if yer got to know, it's usually distributed through personal
E-mail contacts. I am personally in contact with people in Germany, the UK,
the US, and Australia via the InterNet. It's a great organizational tool.
It's also a great forum for the exchange of ideas. For all those who
don't take us seriously, and claim we have no organisation -- think again.
Weisse Macht!
Jason
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Northern Hammer Skins
Amanda Shields- Serdar and Elvis's Love Child
(Jason Smith) wrote:
> Weisse Macht!
> Jason
> --
> Northern Hammer Skins
Try Hammer Heads, and you'll have it right, ArschloB.
Die Welt fŸr alle Menschen!!!!!!
Amanda
--
51% lovely Southern Belle,
49% Rampaging VelociraptorpsychoamazonwarbitchfromhellwithPMS
DON'T _EVEN_ PUSH IT!!!
Jason Smith
In a previous article, (Keith Morrison) says:
>Wait...okay, just a second...oh, I have it! We're supposed to be *worried*
>about you clowns, right? Why didn't you say so? Just tell us when to start
>being scared.
Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Daniel Mittleman
> Well, if yer got to know, it's usually distributed through personal
>E-mail contacts. I am personally in contact with people in Germany, the UK,
>the US, and Australia via the InterNet. It's a great organizational tool.
>It's also a great forum for the exchange of ideas. For all those who
>don't take us seriously, and claim we have no organisation -- think again.
"We are the envy of every glee club and coffee klatch in North Amercia!
...We have a MAILING LIST!"
Unknown
Wait...okay, just a second...oh, I have it! We're supposed to be *worried*
about you clowns, right? Why didn't you say so? Just tell us when to start
being scared.
Keith Morrison
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Jason Smith
In a previous article, dmitt...@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) says:
> "We are the envy of every glee club and coffee klatch in North Amercia!
> ...We have a MAILING LIST!"
>
Heheh... well, I'm sure you'll agree it's a good way of spreading
and sharing information. Now excuse me while I go set up my Legos...
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Northern Hammer Skins
Unknown
Pretty big _if_ there, bucko. Why don't you take your Lego (all white blocks
I bet) and go play with it at your local party meeting.
Keith Morrison
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Gordon McFee
In a previous article, al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith) says:
>
>
>In a previous article, war...@vaccine.worlds.com (Warren Burstein) says:
>
>>
>>Sounds like more than shows up in this group. Where else is it going
>>on?
>
> Well, if yer got to know, it's usually distributed through personal
>E-mail contacts. I am personally in contact with people in Germany, the UK,
>the US, and Australia via the InterNet. It's a great organizational tool.
>It's also a great forum for the exchange of ideas. For all those who
>don't take us seriously, and claim we have no organisation -- think again.
>
>Weisse Macht!
>Jason
>--
>Northern Hammer Skins
>
You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
kind of sausage? So you want "sausage power"? Go for it, big guy.
--
Gordon McFee ai292
I'll write no line before its time!
Gordon McFee
In a previous article, ifd...@utxsvs.cc.utexas.edu (Amanda Shields- Serdar and Elvis's Love Child) says:
>In article <CowIn...@freenet.carleton.ca>, al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>(Jason Smith) wrote:
>
>
>> Weisse Macht!
>> Jason
>> --
>> Northern Hammer Skins
>
>Try Hammer Heads, and you'll have it right, ArschloB.
WTG Amanda. You could say "Hammerkoepfe". And the correct word is
"Arschloch", where I suspect Jason stores his "Gehirn".
>
>Die Welt fŸr alle Menschen!!!!!!
Und die Hoelle fuer alle Hammerkoepfe!!
>
>Amanda
>
>--
>
>51% lovely Southern Belle,
>49% Rampaging VelociraptorpsychoamazonwarbitchfromhellwithPMS
>
>DON'T _EVEN_ PUSH IT!!!
>
--
John William Chambless
Gordon McFee <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
>kind of sausage? So you want "sausage power"? Go for it, big guy.
Yeah, and three guesses where he and his Nazi buddies WANT that sausage!
--
* Billy Chambless "Someone you care about is an idiot"
* "Mensa is for people who have high IQs, not necessarily for those who
* are intelligent." -- Mike Steiner in rec.org.mensa
Jason Smith
In a previous article, cham...@whale.st.usm.edu (John William Chambless) says:
>In article <Cp02v...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
>Gordon McFee <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>>You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
>>kind of sausage? So you want "sausage power"? Go for it, big guy.
>
>Yeah, and three guesses where he and his Nazi buddies WANT that sausage!
Hmmm... my German tutor is playing funny with me again... Oh well,
Borscht Macht!
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
Remember these (and similar) lines well next time Jason Smith and his
fellow sociopaths begin screaming for their rights and fair play.
Their basic value to society would be improved if they were ground up
and sold as dog food.
--
-Barry Shein
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Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
The error Jason Smith and his fellow criminals and sociopaths make is
that they assume that the veneer of democratic freedoms and individual
rights is something they can rely on for themselves to further their
murderous goals (there is nothing ambiguous about the above, it is a
threat to murder those who disagree with them.)
Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
most diseased bits.
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>
>From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
>
>Remember these (and similar) lines well next time Jason Smith and his
>fellow sociopaths begin screaming for their rights and fair play.
Barry, you fool. Learn to read. Read the post over again, as
many times as you like. Now, did I say that "my ilk" were going to rid
the world of all undesirables? No... What was said was that the people
who take us seriously _believe_ they'll be the first to go. Quite a
difference, there, don't you think? So what you're advocating is taking
away the rights of the right-wing to protect others? Sounds like fascism
to me...
Jason
The Oxymoron
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>The error Jason Smith and his fellow criminals and sociopaths make is
>that they assume that the veneer of democratic freedoms and individual
>rights is something they can rely on for themselves to further their
>murderous goals (there is nothing ambiguous about the above, it is a
>threat to murder those who disagree with them.)
First, you attempt to put words into my mouth, where none are
forthcoming. There was no threat, and none was implied. Whatever your
twisted paranoid schizophrenic brain reads into it, is entirely a
different matter. And people accuse Nazis of dreaming up conspiracy
theories...
>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.
...and after condemning me for threating people, proceeds with a
very thinly veiled threat of his own. Who is trying to excise free speech
now? Who's the real fascist. And frankly, the dark of night doesn't
scare me. I've got more scars than you do brains from people like you.
Try again.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Bernd Meyer
>In article <Cp02v...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
>Gordon McFee <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>>You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
Well, actually "eine Weisse" is a kind of beer...... Mostly associated
with Berlin.
>>kind of sausage? So you want "sausage power"? Go for it, big guy.
The sausage is "Weisswurst", something completly revolting to anybody
who lives north of the "Weisswurstaequator", that is, outside Bavaria.
But flame on about things you don't know, it really increases your
credibility!
Bernie
P.S.: And before somebody asks me how an Australian should know... I am
not Australian :-)
--
"And the band played 'Waltzing Mathilda' / as we stopped to bury our slain;
And we buried ours / and the Turks buried theirs | ..... living in Oz ....
And it started all over again" |
(The Pogues, "Waltzing Mathilda", orig by Eric Bogle, "And the band played WM")
Steve Mayer
: cham...@whale.st.usm.edu (John William Chambless) writes:
: >In article <Cp02v...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
: >Gordon McFee <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
: >>You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
: Well, actually "eine Weisse" is a kind of beer...... Mostly associated
: with Berlin.
Gutten tag, Herr Meyer!
Isn't "eine weisse" "one two" in German? As a child, I used to sing at the
piano with my grandfather (from Frankfort) "eine weisse dry beer." But
counting to four was as far as I ever got with German.
Regards,
Herr Mayer
her...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.
What does this mean exactly, Shein? Sounds like an appeal to violence
against those who disagree with you. How typical.
The mask is removed.
-- HERMANN
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> First, you attempt to put words into my mouth, where none are
>forthcoming. There was no threat, and none was implied.
Bullshit, as usual, you are lying, here's the quote you so
conveniently elided from your response:
> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
When a self-proclaimed Nazi says "they'll be the first to go" we all
know exactly what is meant. You lie with every breath nazi-boy,
abandon your adolescent whining or puerile fantasy that you're going
to make noises about fairness and justice and fool everyone here. This
isn't the principal's office.
> ...and after condemning me for threating people, proceeds with a
>very thinly veiled threat of his own.
You seem to be having a problem reading and understanding English, Smith.
Fuck you, does that register?
I don't give a rat's ass about your pathetic mewings for fairness and
justice you nazi scum. I mainly look forward to the day your cellmates
are placing bets on how much of their urine you can drink.
I realize you nazis rely heavily on others' sense of fairness to get
them to braid the rope to hang them with, but sorry, I am not a stupid
person and I do not fall for that crap. When I need advice on how to
treat nazi-wannabes justly I refer to Mein Kampf and other ravings and
actions of their own heros for a standard.
Sorry pal, go try it out on your mother, she'll give you the benefit
of the doubt, I won't.
>I've got more scars than you do brains from people like you.
Umm, hey brain-boy, was that sentence supposed to mean something?
You don't seem to get it, I don't give a shit about your opinion on
the matter. I am fully aware of what your type understands, a jackboot
pressed firmly against the mouth until the teeth and jaws are heard to
make a loud crack.
You have as much interest in fairness and justice and rational
discourse as your average rabid animal, and should be treated as such.
What the fuck do you think? That your membership in society is a
birthright? You're in for a big disappointment. For lessons on reality
you'd do better to study the fate of your goose-stepping heros of 50
years ago.
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>So what you're advocating is taking
>away the rights of the right-wing to protect others?
Don't talk about "rights" until you show some interest in others'
rights.
As a self-proclaimed Nazi we all know your interest in "rights".
About the same interest as your average hostage taker or pedophile:
Only his own and only when cornered.
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> Hmmm... my German tutor is playing funny with me again... Oh well,
>Borscht Macht!
By "borscht" we can assume this is supposed to be a reference to a
food associated with Ashkenazi Jews (generally a beet soup actually of
Russian origin)?
Go ahead, keep making your anti-semitic remarks while mewing for
justice and fairness. See where it gets you, nazi-boy.
Oh now he'll babble that's not what he meant...right.
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>Bullshit, as usual, you are lying, here's the quote you so
>conveniently elided from your response:
>
>> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Can you not read? You put my post up as the very proof intended
to condemn me, but all you did was show us your own stupidity and
inability to read, as well as your intolerance of differing opinions. One
thing I do pride myself on is the ability to listen to other people's
points of view. All you do when you slam me blindly like that is ruin
your own credibility.
>You seem to be having a problem reading and understanding English, Smith.
Wow! Amazing! You use my arguments to defend
yourself. Are you a nazi?
>Fuck you, does that register?
Ah! More ignorance!
>
>I don't give a rat's ass about your pathetic mewings for fairness and
>justice you nazi scum. I mainly look forward to the day your cellmates
>are placing bets on how much of their urine you can drink.
Frankly, I've been to prison. Kikes don't get too far there, let
me tell you. For the most part, prison is segregated, and with good
reason. Little Jew boys like you would make decent boy-toys for the 'mates.
>I realize you nazis rely heavily on others' sense of fairness to get
>them to braid the rope to hang them with, but sorry, I am not a stupid
>person and I do not fall for that crap. When I need advice on how to
>treat nazi-wannabes justly I refer to Mein Kampf and other ravings and
>actions of their own heros for a standard.
<sigh> I've never even read Mein Kampf in its entirety. You want
a summary? The masses are sheep. It's the Jew's fault. End of book. I
certainly don't idolize Hitler, and I frankly don't care for your inane
expressions of opinion. If you can debate intelligently and articulately,
instead of spewing forth shit, get back to me. Until then, fuck off.
Seeing as name-calling and foul language are the only way to communicate
with you, I'll stoop to your level.
>Umm, hey brain-boy, was that sentence supposed to mean something?
Yes, better men than you have tried.
>
>You don't seem to get it, I don't give a shit about your opinion on
>the matter. I am fully aware of what your type understands, a jackboot
>pressed firmly against the mouth until the teeth and jaws are heard to
>make a loud crack.
Then that makes it unanimous! I don't give a flying nun's fuck
what you think.
>You have as much interest in fairness and justice and rational
>discourse as your average rabid animal, and should be treated as such.
My daddy's bigger than your daddy...
You may think the world revolves around you, and you may be
right. The asshole's located in the center of the body... Promptly fuckoff.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>Don't talk about "rights" until you show some interest in others'
>rights.
>
>As a self-proclaimed Nazi we all know your interest in "rights".
>About the same interest as your average hostage taker or pedophile:
>Only his own and only when cornered.
There you go making assumptions again. That's dangerous.
Underestimating the enemy always is. You know nothing about me, nor of my
principles. Quit making assumptions, and then you'll be on the track to
intelligent debate. If I follow your thinking, then all Communists are
Stalinists. Or all Orientals wear cameras. That's stereotyping, and is
exactly what you accuse me of. Grow up.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>By "borscht" we can assume this is supposed to be a reference to a
>food associated with Ashkenazi Jews (generally a beet soup actually of
>Russian origin)?
>
>Go ahead, keep making your anti-semitic remarks while mewing for
>justice and fairness. See where it gets you, nazi-boy.
You're an idiot, Barry. Yes, Borscht is a food. It was in
reference to the 'wiener power', and had absolutely nothing anti-semitic
in its content. The more you try to discredit me, the stupider you look.
Shut your hole.
You seem to assume that everything that comes out of my mouth is a
racist, anti-semitic remark. This is no more true than anything else you say.
I'm like everyone else, I get up, shit, shower, and shave, go to work
(where there are minorities, and I deal with them on a daily basis), come
home, eat dinner, watch TV (Star Trek, usually), crack a beer or two,
watch the hockey finals, then go to bed to repeat the process. Gee. That
sounds racist to me!
You are the most pathetic anti-nazi I have ever seen. Instead of
battling me with logic and intelligence, you spew stereotypes and
assumptions that are purely based on emotional responses.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Svidrigailov
>
> From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
>
> Remember these (and similar) lines well next time Jason Smith and his
> fellow sociopaths begin screaming for their rights and fair play.
>
> Their basic value to society would be improved if they were ground up
> and sold as dog food.
Barry, why wouldbeing so cruel to dogs be helpful to society?
=^)
> -Barry Shein
=======================================================================
Brian Harmon "We are most unfair to God: we do not allow
Miami University him to sin.."
Oxford, Ohio 45056 -- Friedrich Nietzsche
-----------...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu--------------------------
Svidrigailov
Nein, Mein Herr. "one two" auf Deutsch ist "eins zwei", nicht "eine
Weisse". Oder auf Englisch:
one two is "eins zwei", not "eine Weisse"
Since this is crossposted to alt.religion.kibology (who did that, not
me! obik?) I'd just like to add "Kibo" here.
> Regards,
> Herr Mayer
--
=======================================================================
Brian Harmon "We are most unfair to Kibo: we do not allow
Miami Kiboversity him to grep."
Oxford, Kibo 45056 -- Friedrichobik Nietzschibo
-----------...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu--------------------------
John William Chambless
Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>Jason
>The Oxymoron
You misspelled "moron".
Gordon McFee
In a previous article, umi...@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer) says:
>cham...@whale.st.usm.edu (John William Chambless) writes:
>
>>In article <Cp02v...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
>>Gordon McFee <ai...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>>>You are taken seriously, Jason. BTW, did you know that a "Weisse" is a
>
>Well, actually "eine Weisse" is a kind of beer...... Mostly associated
>with Berlin.
>
>>>kind of sausage? So you want "sausage power"? Go for it, big guy.
>
>The sausage is "Weisswurst", something completly revolting to anybody
>who lives north of the "Weisswurstaequator", that is, outside Bavaria.
>But flame on about things you don't know, it really increases your
>credibility!
In Freiburg im Breisgau, you get a sausage if you ask for "eine Weisse".
Berlin is probably another story; as an adopted Southerner, I really don't
care what they do in Berlin :-)
> >Bernie
>
>P.S.: And before somebody asks me how an Australian should know... I am
>not Australian :-)
I'm not either. :-)
>
>--
>"And the band played 'Waltzing Mathilda' / as we stopped to bury our slain;
>And we buried ours / and the Turks buried theirs | ..... living in Oz ....
>And it started all over again" |
>(The Pogues, "Waltzing Mathilda", orig by Eric Bogle, "And the band played WM")
>
--
Gordon McFee
Eins, zwei, drei, vier is probably what you sang, possibly in dialect.
And to Herr Mayer, I say: Wenn man "geben Sie mir bitte eine Weisse" in
Freiburg sagt, bekommt man eine Weisswurst.
Daniel B Case
>>Remember these (and similar) lines well next time Jason Smith and his
>>fellow sociopaths begin screaming for their rights and fair play.
>
> Barry, you fool. Learn to read. Read the post over again, as
>many times as you like. Now, did I say that "my ilk" were going to rid
>the world of all undesirables?
Well, it sure sounds like you wouldn't mind, as you yourself said recently
about the Jews.
No... What was said was that the people
>who take us seriously _believe_ they'll be the first to go. Quite a
>difference, there, don't you think?
Not if you look at the historical record of your self-professed antecedents.
So what you're advocating is taking
>away the rights of the right-wing to protect others? Sounds like fascism
>to me...
"The rights of the right-wing to protect others"...sounds like an interesting
idea to me? Do left-wingers also get that right? And on what philosophical
foundation is that right erected?
Given the nature of that "protection", I'll do very nicely on my own, thank
you, and take my chances.
"'My country right or wrong' is like saying,
'My mother drunk or sober'"-G.K. Chesterton
Daniel Case
State University of New York at Buffalo Prodigy:WDNS15D
V140...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu dc...@acsu.buffalo.edu
Daniel B Case
>>The error Jason Smith and his fellow criminals and sociopaths make is
>>that they assume that the veneer of democratic freedoms and individual
>>rights is something they can rely on for themselves to further their
>>murderous goals (there is nothing ambiguous about the above, it is a
>>threat to murder those who disagree with them.)
>
> First, you attempt to put words into my mouth, where none are
>forthcoming. There was no threat, and none was implied. Whatever your
>twisted paranoid schizophrenic brain reads into it, is entirely a
>different matter. And people accuse Nazis of dreaming up conspiracy
>theories...
Well, Jason, why is it that while fascist-racial supremacists such as
yourselves always say "Oh, we're only just interested in protecting our own
'people'", it always invariably happens that for some reason you have to act,
and take rather extensive measures to protect your people-measures that would
make no sense unless the real goal was all along to completely eliminate any
vestige of that threat whether potential or actual? Always sounds fishy to me.
Daniel B Case
[Barry Shein quotes Jason saying earlier:]
>>> Well, believe it or not, some do take us seriously. Perhaps because
>>>they believe that if there ever is a resurgence, they'll be the first to go.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Can you not read? You put my post up as the very proof intended
>to condemn me, but all you did was show us your own stupidity and
>inability to read, as well as your intolerance of differing opinions. One
>thing I do pride myself on is the ability to listen to other people's
>points of view. All you do when you slam me blindly like that is ruin
>your own credibility.
Jason's evasive non-answer proves one of my points: fascists always try to get
themselves off the hook by making it look as though others are always to blame.
Perhaps, deep in his unconscious, Jason knows that those who fear his kind
because they feel they will be the first to go are right. In a sort of "you
furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war" way, invariably, when given power,
fascists feel the need to act against all perceived threats.
>>I don't give a rat's ass about your pathetic mewings for fairness and
>>justice you nazi scum. I mainly look forward to the day your cellmates
>>are placing bets on how much of their urine you can drink.
>
> Frankly, I've been to prison. Kikes don't get too far there, let
>me tell you. For the most part, prison is segregated, and with good
>reason. Little Jew boys like you would make decent boy-toys for the 'mates.
Oooh! What have you done time for, Jason-ripping the heads of parking meters?
Putting cherry bombs in toilets?
Jason Smith
In a previous article, v140...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) says:
>Oooh! What have you done time for, Jason-ripping the heads of parking meters?
>Putting cherry bombs in toilets?
Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jonathan Cave
As in breaking and entering or as in squatting?
Jonathan Cave
> You seem to assume that everything that comes out of my mouth is a
>racist, anti-semitic remark. This is no more true than anything else you say.
Then, in article <Cp5GE...@freenet.carleton.ca> al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Jason Smith) writes:
> Frankly, I've been to prison. Kikes don't get too far there, let
>me tell you. For the most part, prison is segregated, and with good
>reason. Little Jew boys like you would make decent boy-toys for the 'mates.
Maybe not everything, Jason, but a pretty fair sample.
Jonathan Cave
>I've got more scars than you do brains from people like you.
Klasse!
Jason Smith
In a previous article, ca...@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) says:
>> Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
>>harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
>
>As in breaking and entering or as in squatting?
Well, there was no breaking involved, just entering. It's some
obscure charge, similar to trespassing. Basically, I was in the guy's
house without an invitation, after which I proceeded to turn his face into
an assorted crimson mish-mash.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jason Smith
In a previous article, ca...@rand.org (Jonathan Cave) says:
If he wants to play name-calling games, two can play that game. I
won't go so far as to say, 'well he started', but the evidence is there to
suggest it...
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Jim Bowery
> Well, Jason, why is it that while fascist-racial supremacists such as
> yourselves always say "Oh, we're only just interested in protecting our own
> 'people'", it always invariably happens that for some reason you have to act,
> and take rather extensive measures to protect your people-measures that would
> make no sense unless the real goal was all along to completely eliminate any
> vestige of that threat whether potential or actual? Always sounds fishy to me.
Yes, Jason and many others make the mistake of identifying with the Nazis
the Nazi made the mistake of identifying with the Aryans (a section of nordic
bloodlines that went colonial and then went all but extinct).
Neither Jason nor I nor the rest of our kindred are Aryans -- nor are we
even old-world nordics who stayed behind to be consumed by or make war
on the encroachment of cosmopolitan cultures. We are a pioneering sub-group
that tends to "move on" rather than engage in war. We only fight when
cornered, but as can be seen in the history of the US, we are relatively
good at war when politicians get out of the way.
If there were a frontier -- a true frontier where we could exercise our
sovereignty and have full self-determiniation -- you would see the
pioneer in us emerge and overtake the "Nazi" persona which is held out as
the only modern archetype of our genetic interests. Of course, it is
a failed archetype which is exactly why it is pushed by the "Jewish"
media as THE archetype -- so that people like Jason and others are drawn
into it where they can be easily disposed of.
The fact of the matter is, the Nazi's had some very important things right:
* Cosmopolitan urban cultures, most typically associated with "the Jew"
but also represented by many other genetic groups which evolved in more
benign climates, are, when intimately mixed, incompatible with the
preservation of nordic bloodlines and traditions.
* Genes affect culture and culture affects genes whether we take
responsibility for this fact or not in our social policy. At present
US government policy is selecting for some of the worst genetic traits
imaginable.
* Socialism isn't as damaging where there is homogeneity. The ultimate
case in point is the family unit, where socialism is downright necessary.
Now all three of these points are points where secular Jews are likely
to strongly disagree with us but if one thinks carefully, one sees that
all three of these points are internal issues best left up to the
sovereignty of a people -- WHICH IS WHY SEPARATION IS NECESSARY.
Those of us who feel ourselves and our children mortally threatened by
the pluralistic environment in which we are born need have recourse to
some form of self-determination in an environment free from those who:
1) Disagree on these issues which we hold to be most vital to our survival
and happiness.
and
2) Are so socially, politically and rhetorically sophisticated that even
they don't recognize the extent of their peace-time ability to quash
divergent ideas.
It is the mistake of the Nazi archetype to attempt to reclaim that which
has been lost to cosmopolitan urbanization rather than forging a life from
the frontier. Don't help drive us into the Nazi/Aryan archetype -- work
with us to elicit the INDEPENDENT/pioneer archetype which, history has
show, creates positive options for us all.
--
The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Lawrence Allen
: In article <Cp6o8...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
: Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
: > Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
: >harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
: So you ARE a dangerous, violent individual also physically?
: Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
: deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
: and other human beings?
While I do not agree with Jason in several areas, I feel a need to
respond in his defense. The fact that a person has been in prison,
even for violent crime, does not mean that person is dangerous. It
does, maybe, give indication that the potential is higher than for
someone who has not.
A friend of mine is still doing time because
he beat a man who had assaulted his wife. Given the same situation,
I would be there, as well. In fact the only reason that he is in jail,
and I am not, is that he found the s.o.b. before I or some of the
others did.
Jason's past has little to do with the validity of the arguments in
this thread, and quite frankly, the personal attacks by several people
here have pretty well disgusted me.
You people think that because you have a just cause (your opinion) that
justifies such behavior. You are wrong. Boorish behavior is never justified.
Character attacks are out of line.
Can we get back to rational discussion?
Jim Bowery
> In article <Cp6o8...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
> Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
> >harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
>
> Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
> deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
> and other human beings?
violent aspects of certain people's personalities?
Of course not, because you shouldn't HAVE to worry about
eliciting such reactions.
Nor should Jason have to worry about being around people like you
who elicit such reactions from people like us.
I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
our society. Oh, I'll agree that there are counter examples,
like Nixon, but he went to law school -- an ideal place to find
out just how incompatible nordic blood-lines are with cosmopolitan
sophistry. Without an adequate understanding of his genetic
limiations, Nixon engaged in the hubris that is the downfall of
our people -- he thought politics and colonialism, not technology
and pioneering, were our destiny.
He was wrong.
Kari Nenonen
Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> This coming from someone a few weeks ago who threatened to punch
>me out if he ever saw me in a bar.
Ok. A point for you. I'm not even trying to say that it was a methafor or
something, just wrote it because I got pissed off with your rantings and I
thought that it was language that you understand. Bar fighting is not
exactly my hobby though :-). Maybe I was drunk too, don't remember any moore.
Can't resist internet when I've taken one or two too much and there is a
computer available. Does this qualify for an apolorgise for threatening you
with physical violence in the cyber space?
> Eat your words, Kari. You don't even
>know the circumstances behind the charges. I don't feel the necessity to
>justify my actions to you, but I will tell the group what happened, and
>they can condemn me as they wish. For starters, the assault wasn't
>racially motivated. It wasn't even 'skinhead' motivated.
A good start, Jason.
> My sister was
>beaten by some lug, and the police refused to do anything. I took justice
>into my own hands, and beat the pusbag into a lump. The difference here
>is, he knew I was coming after him, and I'm fairly well-known around these
>parts, so the police didn't have much difficulty tracking me down, and I
>went without a fuss. Pleaded guilty too, but on a reduced charge. I had
>nothing to hide, and admitted everything to the police. I'd do it again
>if I had to.
Well, in certain circumstances I might have done the same. Guess I just have
to be gratefull that any of my dear ones has never been beaten up by anybody.
But then again, you seem generally to support values that - if they were
more prevailing - would cause even more beatings and killings of innocent
women and children that happens to-day in this world.
> Rapists, child molesters, and men who beat women should be
>hung by their testicles with piano wire.
I could have made that statement too (put not in public ;-) I could (and
maybe I should) write more about this issue. But let's just say here that
in spite of my rage for that kind of criminals I'm not a supporter of
brutal and inhuman punishments. Because they don't help the society at
large: they are just revenge and no matter how righteous, they'll make
the society only harder. Still... when I was 12-years old, one of my
class mates (a boy) and a friend was raped and brutally killed by a
pedophile. The man got a life time for it. When I was 25 I read in
a paper that this same man (who had been free for a year!) had "found
Jesus". There he was "a new born Christian" in a family magazine, broadly
smiling. Don't want to write what I thought in that moment.
> Secondly, how would you even recognise me in a bar? Do you have
>some special ability to sense racists in an enclosed area? Must be
>awfully distracting, considering nobody is free from prejudice.
Wouldn't you be that bald headed guy who would try to bother me with
his nazi leaflets while I'm trying to concentrate in drinking and
watching hockey? :-)
>Loyalty above all else except honour
Yes. But loyalty to whom and honour in what consept?
>Jason
Kari
.
--
kauh...@mits.mdta.fi Kari Nenonen
Maavallintie 4, In the Baszars of Quazars
00430 Helsinki FINLAND there is no love for sale
Kari Nenonen
Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
>harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
So you ARE a dangerous, violent individual also physically?
Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
and other human beings?
--
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> You are the most pathetic anti-nazi I have ever seen. Instead of
>battling me with logic and intelligence, you spew stereotypes and
>assumptions that are purely based on emotional responses.
We have already determined that "logic and intelligence" are lost on
you. It would be like reasoning with anyone with a deceitful and
fundamentally criminal mentality.
Jonathan Cave
[deletia]
>Now all three of these points are points where secular Jews are likely
>to strongly disagree with us but if one thinks carefully, one sees that
>all three of these points are internal issues best left up to the
>sovereignty of a people -- WHICH IS WHY SEPARATION IS NECESSARY.
Off you go, Jim - don't let the door hit you on your way out.
>Those of us who feel ourselves and our children mortally threatened by
>the pluralistic environment in which we are born need have recourse to
>some form of self-determination in an environment free from those who:
>1) Disagree on these issues which we hold to be most vital to our survival
>and happiness.
>2) Are so socially, politically and rhetorically sophisticated that even
>they don't recognize the extent of their peace-time ability to quash
>divergent ideas.
Why would we? Am I to believe that you and your ilk pose some sort of threat?
Jonathan Cave
>I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
>blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
>a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
>our society. Oh, I'll agree that there are counter examples,
>like Nixon, but he went to law school -- an ideal place to find
>out just how incompatible nordic blood-lines are with cosmopolitan
>sophistry. Without an adequate understanding of his genetic
>limiations, Nixon engaged in the hubris that is the downfall of
>our people -- he thought politics and colonialism, not technology
>and pioneering, were our destiny.
>He was wrong.
Quakers are a blood-line?
Say, Jim, what will you pioneers do when you run out of frontier and have to
settle down? Guess that's a ways off...
Jason Smith
In a previous article, kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) says:
>In article <Cp6o8...@freenet.carleton.ca>,
>Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
>
>> Aggravated assault (which was reduced to assault causing bodily
>>harm via plea-bargain), and being in a residence illegally.
>
>So you ARE a dangerous, violent individual also physically?
>Have you ever considered that there might be something wrong
>deep down in your beeing - in your attitudes towards life
>and other human beings?
This coming from someone a few weeks ago who threatened to punch
me out if he ever saw me in a bar. Eat your words, Kari. You don't even
know the circumstances behind the charges. I don't feel the necessity to
justify my actions to you, but I will tell the group what happened, and
they can condemn me as they wish. For starters, the assault wasn't
racially motivated. It wasn't even 'skinhead' motivated. My sister was
beaten by some lug, and the police refused to do anything. I took justice
into my own hands, and beat the pusbag into a lump. The difference here
is, he knew I was coming after him, and I'm fairly well-known around these
parts, so the police didn't have much difficulty tracking me down, and I
went without a fuss. Pleaded guilty too, but on a reduced charge. I had
nothing to hide, and admitted everything to the police. I'd do it again
if I had to. Rapists, child molesters, and men who beat women should be
hung by their testicles with piano wire.
Secondly, how would you even recognise me in a bar? Do you have
some special ability to sense racists in an enclosed area? Must be
awfully distracting, considering nobody is free from prejudice.
Loyalty above all else except honour
Jason
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> There you go making assumptions again. That's dangerous.
>Underestimating the enemy always is. You know nothing about me, nor of my
>principles. Quit making assumptions, and then you'll be on the track to
>intelligent debate. If I follow your thinking, then all Communists are
>Stalinists. Or all Orientals wear cameras. That's stereotyping, and is
>exactly what you accuse me of. Grow up.
A self-proclaimed nazi accuses someone of stereotyping. The mind
boggles.
What next? Thieves accusing people of being dishonest? Kidnappers
complaining that putting them in prison is a form of kidnapping?
Dealing with a criminal and deceitful mentality is not difficult,
except perhaps for the criminal who keeps trying to convince himself
he can put one over on the whole world. Such is the fundamental pathos
of the sociopath, when you grab their arm to stop their knife they
complain about your violent ways...
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
> Can you not read? You put my post up as the very proof intended
>to condemn me, but all you did was show us your own stupidity and
>inability to read, as well as your intolerance of differing opinions.
Being a self-proclaimed nazi is not a differing opinion you walking
mental illness, any more than being a child rapist is just another
opinion.
> Frankly, I've been to prison. Kikes don't get too far there, let
>me tell you. For the most part, prison is segregated, and with good
>reason. Little Jew boys like you would make decent boy-toys for the 'mates.
Gee, took just a few lines before he starting spewing his true colors.
Somehow I suspected it would take only a few firm words, idiots like
this are so easily manipulated verbally.
At least my opinion of Mr Smith exhibiting just a typical low-life
criminal mentality is now vindicated.
Thank you Mr Smith, and just keep convincing yourself you are superior
to everyone else you run into. Heh, clown.
Barry Shein
From: her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>>most diseased bits.
>
>What does this mean exactly, Shein? Sounds like an appeal to violence
>against those who disagree with you. How typical.
Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
on others' placidity in your wretched goals.
>The mask is removed.
Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.
There is no mask.
As far as I am concerned nazis like Jason Smith and Hermann need only
be extended those "rights" they claim to respect for others, they
should be treated by their own standards.
I am not surprised this disturbs them.
Kari Nenonen
Jim Bowery <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Have you ever considered that your behavior elicits dangerous
>violent aspects of certain people's personalities?
Yes, in fact I have. Mostly her at alt.revisionism and ocassionally in
soc.culture.nordic when you come there to rave about my alleged Jewishnes.
Some times I have really thought:"Well, it's a good thing that there
are some thousands of miles between my children and that lunatic."
>Of course not, because you shouldn't HAVE to worry about
>eliciting such reactions.
What a shame, isn't it? Well. the world is not so very big a place any more
after all.
>Nor should Jason have to worry about being around people like you
>who elicit such reactions from people like us.
The wisdom of this sentence somehow escapes me...
>I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
>blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
>a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
>our society.
"People like you"? You mean that IJC? Where I'm a secret member, 'cause
I'm against racism and natziism and lying about history? As far as I
know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
religion, so don't trust too much in it if you've got murderous thoughts
towards people like me.
> Oh, I'll agree that there are counter examples,
>like Nixon, but he went to law school -- an ideal place to find
>out just how incompatible nordic blood-lines are with cosmopolitan
>sophistry. Without an adequate understanding of his genetic
>limiations, Nixon engaged in the hubris that is the downfall of
>our people -- he thought politics and colonialism, not technology
>and pioneering, were our destiny.
>
>He was wrong
Yeah, sure...
Well, somebody just suggested here that we should get back
to the rational discussion... I'm just wondering how it
could be possible.
What about Legos, Jim? Can you build a big house? I can.
With chimney and all. I use the red ones to make the
roofs - what do you use?
Kari "the Jewish woman with uncircuscised penis" Nenonen
.
Trebor Lee
writes:
>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>most diseased bits.
You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
concerned, sleeping their at 700 Washington St. in Brighton, Ma. You think you
can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, and go
unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call at
(617) 787-0764 or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock and don't
fuck with one of my white brothers!!!
David F Olsky
Trebor, I think that you crossed the fine line between rhetorical and
actual threats here. If I were Barry, I know that I'd be calling both
America Online and the police. Stalking and making threats is most
definitely a crime. BTW, if you're so worried about one of your "white
brothers" being flamed, then why the hell are you posting on
alt.revisionism. You make me sick.
David Olsky
dol...@sas.upenn.edu
Jason Smith
In a previous article, kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) says:
>Ok. A point for you. I'm not even trying to say that it was a methafor or
>something, just wrote it because I got pissed off with your rantings and I
>thought that it was language that you understand. Bar fighting is not
>exactly my hobby though :-). Maybe I was drunk too, don't remember any moore.
>Can't resist internet when I've taken one or two too much and there is a
>computer available. Does this qualify for an apolorgise for threatening you
>with physical violence in the cyber space?
Apology accepted. I guess I owe you one too. Now we're on the right
track back to civilised human dialogue. The Net is addictive, is it not?
>Well, in certain circumstances I might have done the same. Guess I just have
>to be gratefull that any of my dear ones has never been beaten up by anybody.
>But then again, you seem generally to support values that - if they were
>more prevailing - would cause even more beatings and killings of innocent
>women and children that happens to-day in this world.
You certainly should be grateful that you've never had to deal with
something like that. Again, I don't advocate political violence, but I will
defend myself if attacked. I can't say the same for some of my political
'allies,' however. Then again, it isn't a phenomenon restricted solely to
'nazis.' Plenty of anti-racists engage in violent acts too.
>I could have made that statement too (put not in public ;-) I could (and
>maybe I should) write more about this issue. But let's just say here that
>in spite of my rage for that kind of criminals I'm not a supporter of
>brutal and inhuman punishments. Because they don't help the society at
>large: they are just revenge and no matter how righteous, they'll make
>the society only harder. Still... when I was 12-years old, one of my
>class mates (a boy) and a friend was raped and brutally killed by a
>pedophile. The man got a life time for it. When I was 25 I read in
>a paper that this same man (who had been free for a year!) had "found
>Jesus". There he was "a new born Christian" in a family magazine, broadly
>smiling. Don't want to write what I thought in that moment.
That's sick. The only way he should have found Jesus is through
the grave. I can't say I agree with you about punishment, though. Such
punishments would certainly act as deterrents. Of course, the criminally
insane are hard to deter...
>Wouldn't you be that bald headed guy who would try to bother me with
>his nazi leaflets while I'm trying to concentrate in drinking and
>watching hockey? :-)
Hardly. I keep my politics to where it's appropriate. When I go
to a bar, it's to drink, and watch the game. Canadiens lost, dammit! And
San Jose just beat Toronto, of all the retarded things in this world!
Incidentally, not every bald guy is a skinhead, and not all skinheads are
racist. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell I was one at a casual
glance, anyway.
>Yes. But loyalty to whom and honour in what consept?
Well, I'm sure you won't like this, but to my family, first and
foremost. My race second. I will never beat a man when he's down, and
believe it or not, I believe in fair play. No backstabbing, and
definitely no sucker punches. I respect, though I do not agree with, my
enemy, and I expect the same kind of respect in return. Anything else
would be nothing short of anarchy and war.
her...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of excising its
BS: most diseased bits.
MJK: What does this mean exactly, Shein? Sounds like an appeal to violence
MJK: against those who disagree with you. How typical.
BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.
Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?
MJK: The mask is removed.
BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.
BS: There is no mask.
All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
with every means necessary. For you to condone the actions of madmen who
orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say
aren't).
BS: As far as I am concerned nazis like Jason Smith and Hermann need only
BS: be extended those "rights" they claim to respect for others, they
BS: should be treated by their own standards.
If I am treated by my own standards for others, then I'm gonna be living
a pretty damn good life. The essence of the White self-determination
Movement is to be able to choose how we shall live with whom we shall live.
I have no objections to other peoples being given this right unconditionally
as well.
BS: I am not surprised this disturbs them.
What disturbs me is the viciousness of someone who has never met me; some-
one who could not tell me apart from a group of ordinary Americans; someone
who hates me only because I dare love my kind and ways above others, and
am willing to protect my kind and ways from criminals, outside and inside
my race.
Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National
Socialists truly believe and strive for.
-- HERMANN
her...@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu
BS: Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
BS: ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
BS: about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
BS: body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
BS: most diseased bits.
TL: You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
TL: concerned, sleeping their at XXX XXXXXXXXXX XX. in XXXXXXXX, XX. You think
TL: you can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats,
TL: and go unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone
TL: call at (XXX) XXX-XXXX or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock
TL: and don't fuck with one of my white brothers!!!
Regardless of what Shein spews, I do not condone violence or the incitement
to violence against him for his hateful views.
Mr. Shein is a Jew, and hatred tends to come easy for them. We should try to
understand this hateful nature.
-- HERMANN
Kari Nenonen
>Big lie theory -- repeat "international jewish conspiracy" enough
>and people will start to think I had brought one up. Hitler really
>DID learn that trick from you guys didn't he? I think I must have
>seen this IJC lie thrown out about me more than 30 times in the last
>month. Dan Gannon, like the Hitler, wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING
>was he?
It's impossible to discuss with you, Jim, because you seem to be totally
blind and deaf to your own words. At first I'm writing about Sami's rights
in soc.culture.jewish - well, the thread led to Samis from Palestinians -
and label me a "Jewish woman" who is spreading "secular Jewish" propaganda
in the nets. You didn't even try to understand what I was talking about -
you just made our conclusions because the newsgroup was soc.culture.jewish.
I told you I'm not a woman or Jewish. Second time you came to
soc.culture.nordic and saw that in the statistic I happened to be the number
one poster there. Your first question in public foruma was "Is Kari Nenonen
a "Jew"?" I told you that if I had been a German citizen in 1939, I would
have past the Nurmberg Laws any time. Then Vera - who is "a full blooded
Jew" like she herself stated told you that I'm not and a couple of other
people two, but you didn't listen. You went on you ranting how I battle
a "non"Jewish battle in alt.revisionism and the like which got nothing
to do with soc.culture.nordic. People got annoyed and started calling
you names an ridicule you making jokes about the International Jewish
Conspiracy. And of course you took everything litterally, because among
other things you seem to have no sense of humor. And what about Dan
Gannon and Hitler being wrong about everything, I guess nobody is wrong
about everything but if you refer to racial issues so they both were/are
very wrong.
>Well, since I'm against all those things, too, I guess that makes
>me a member as well?
No, you have to first swear a secret oath in our secret headquarters and
drink a cup of Christian baby blood.
>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
>nordic blood-lines.
Maybe, but if that's the only proof you've got for your pure, nordic
blood, then there is a reasonable doubt as you Americans say so often
in tv-shows.
>> so don't trust too much in it if you've got murderous thoughts
>> towards people like me.
>I don't think you need to worry too much Kari -- at least not about
>me...
About whom then if I may ask?
>Look at the folks in soc.culture.jewish who have been calling for Farrakhan's
>murder as well as YOUR kindred who have called for my death and
> dismemberment through mob violence -- and done so repeatedly.
I know nothing about Farrakhan's murder. This all racist madness is so new
for me that I've gotten no time to become familiar with all it's international
subtlety. And stop labeling me! I've never threatened you and nobody has
called for your death and dismemberment. If some Swedish boys got so pissed
off about your racist attacks against Vera that they said they will cut
your nuts off so I can assure you that it was only a figure of speech
and nobody of them would touch your nuts with a long stick even if you gave
them a permission.
>You know, when I sit back and ignore your lies and look at the simple
>facts, the death and violence threates from the "Nazis" on the net have been
>virtually nonexistant while, among jews, there seems to be a relatively
>high frequency of such threats.
Well, Jim, it seems to me that you should consult with some professional
helpper about your illusions. The more I talk with you people (especially
here in alt.revisionism) the more I begin to believe that there is much
wrong in the public health system in USA and Canada, especially on the
mental side.
>
>DESPITE this evidence that the big lie is being practiced again and
>again -- backed up by death and violence threats by jews against so called
>"Nazis" -- I have seen very little reaction from those of nordic blood-lines.
>Most of us just want to get away from you. All we need to do so is sovereign
>territory with genetic screening -- for which we would be willing to deal.
I doubt that you would not have had any reaction from me either if you
had not chosen me to your main target. Just try to forget my existence,
I promise I won't answer your postings. It's that easy.
John William Chambless
Trebor Lee <treb...@aol.com> wrote:
>concerned, sleeping their at 700 Washington St. in Brighton, Ma. You think you
>can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, and go
>unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call at
>(617) 787-0764 or stopped by your house. Crawl back under you rock and don't
>
Nice detective work, Trebski! Who did you get to read Barry's .sig to
you? Wow, you must really be clever, to be able to read a phone number,
and then even get the STREEET address! Wow, your fellow shi-, er SkinHeads
must really consisder you the intellectual of the crowd!
If you were a bit smarter, you'd wonder why Barry puts his info
out there for you to trip over.
Jim Bowery
> In article <jaboweryC...@netcom.com>,
> Jim Bowery <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
> >I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
> >blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
> >a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
> >our society.
>
> "People like you"? You mean that IJC?
Big lie theory -- repeat "international jewish conspiracy" enough
and people will start to think I had brought one up. Hitler really
DID learn that trick from you guys didn't he? I think I must have
seen this IJC lie thrown out about me more than 30 times in the last
month. Dan Gannon, like the Hitler, wasn't wrong about EVERYTHING
was he?
> Where I'm a secret member, 'cause
> I'm against racism and natziism and lying about history?
Well, since I'm against all those things, too, I guess that makes
me a member as well?
> As far as I
> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
> religion,
For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
nordic blood-lines.
> so don't trust too much in it if you've got murderous thoughts
> towards people like me.
I don't think you need to worry too much Kari -- at least not about
me...
Look at the folks in soc.culture.jewish who have been calling for Farrakhan's
murder as well as YOUR kindred who have called for my death and
dismemberment through mob violence -- and done so repeatedly.
You know, when I sit back and ignore your lies and look at the simple
facts, the death and violence threates from the "Nazis" on the net have been
virtually nonexistant while, among jews, there seems to be a relatively
high frequency of such threats.
DESPITE this evidence that the big lie is being practiced again and
again -- backed up by death and violence threats by jews against so called
"Nazis" -- I have seen very little reaction from those of nordic blood-lines.
Most of us just want to get away from you. All we need to do so is sovereign
territory with genetic screening -- for which we would be willing to deal.
Jim Bowery
Well, it looks like Jews aren't the only ones capable of making threats.
Who is Trebor Lee anyway?
Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
genetic, protection.
What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland? It is clear that we
will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
Harry Katz
in <2q49rv$g...@search01.news.aol.com>,
Trebor Lee (treb...@aol.com) writes:
You sure do have some balls kike boy!
Obviously, Mr. Lee is envious!
Your the one who should be concerned... You think you
can hide out and flame all of us gentiles,...
Apparently, Jason Smith must be the last of the gentiles, since a flame
against him is a flame against "all gentiles!"
...and make your idle threats, and go unnoticed???
There is nothing that Jews would like more than to go unnoticed about
our business. Unfortunately, Nazis like Jason Smith and Trebor Lee are
busy trying to root us out regardless, so we might as well do what we
can in our own self-defense.
I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call...
or stopped by your house.
I am sure Mr. Lee would not bother to stop by the house of any Jew
without the back up of several dozen thugs just to be safe!
Crawl back under you rock...
We can't. Mr. Lee and his comrades are taking up all the room!
...and don't fuck with one of my white brothers!!!
We don't "fuck" with any "white brothers!" We will leave the sexual
perversions to Mr. Lee and his comrades.
By the way, I am sure Mr. Lee will appreciate this reminiscence from a
Jewish fighter in the Warsaw Ghetto:
The Germans chose the intersection of Mila and Zamenhofa
Streets for their bivouac area, and battle groups barricaded at
the four corners of the street opened concentric fire at them.
Strange projectiles, hand grenades of our own make, began
exploding everywhere. The lone machine gun sent shots through
the air only at long intervals, since ammunition had to be
carefully conserved; rifles began to to be fired a bit further
away. Such was the beginning.
The Germans attempted a retreat, but their path was cut.
German dead soon littered the street. The remainder tried to
find cover in the neighboring stores and building entrances,
but these shelters proved insufficient. The "glorious" SS
therefore called tanks into action, under cover of which the
remaining men of two companies were to commence a "victorious"
retreat. But even the tanks seemed to be affected by the
Germans' bad luck. The first was burned out by one of our
incendiary bottles; the rest did not approach our positions.
The fate of the Germans caught in the Mila-Zamenhofa Street
trap was settled. Not a single German left this area alive.
The following battle groups took part in the fighting here:
Gruzalc's (Bund), Merdek's (Hashomer), Hochberg's (Bund),
Berek's (Dror), and Pawel's (PPR).
--
Harry Katz
==========
Retaining human dignity, withstanding humiliation, and persevering in
the hope of redemption were forms of resistance.
-- Hyman Bass
Felix Vagabond
Rapists, child molesters, and men who beat women should be
: hung by their testicles with piano wire.
Absolutely agree and I like to add skinheads and Nazis who for reason
at all but of their color or ethnic origin, by intimidating and beating on
innocent people.
: Secondly, how would you even recognise me in a bar? Do you have
: some special ability to sense racists in an enclosed area? Must be
: awfully distracting, considering nobody is free from prejudice.
Using sensitive smell recongnition dogs.
: Loyalty above all else except honour
: Jason
Oh don't ever forget your Nazi brotherhood(s).
: --
: Northern Hammer Skins
--
==============================================================================
( No memorial can ever exhibit or impart the holocaust of SIX MILLION Jews)
VIGILANS.ET AUDAX.SEMPER PARATUS.
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David F Olsky
>> As far as I
>> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
>> religion,
>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
>nordic blood-lines.
were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
David Olsky
dol...@sas.upenn.edu
Gordon McFee
Boy, what a wizard. You figured out Barry's phone number and all. And
now you threaten him. What a hero.
(1) I doubt Mr. Shein's threats are idle. (2) Stop by his house,
douche-bag, and let us know what happens. Of course, you'll take 25 of
your Nazi scum bum boys with you, because it takes that many of you to
confront one Jew. (3) Nobody wants to fuck any of your brothers; that's
probably part of your problem.
--
Gordon McFee ai292
I'll write no line before its time!
David F Olsky
>>>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
>>>nordic blood-lines.
>>
>>You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
>>were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
>Well, Martin Luther was _far_ more of an anti-semite than Mr. Bowery.
Well, they'd still be laughing in his face, anti-semitic or not. Remember
that Scandanavians *adopted* protestantism; they did not found it.
>
>Does anyone have any evidence on how Knox and Calvin stood on this
>issue?
>
They were probably pretty anti-semitic too, but it really didn't matter
since their beliefs of pre-destination meant that almost everyone was
going to hell anyway.
>Personally, I think George Fox(and early Quaker) would be quite proud of
>how Mr. Bowery has carried on the traditions of his ancestors.(Luther
>Calvin and Knox never had much truck for Quaker -types anyway).
>
Kind of interesting here. I had a grandfather whose last name was Fox,
and he was Irish. This is, of course, a very common name. So, if a
combination of Irish and Anglo-Saxons founded the Quakers and Jim is
descended from them, he must not be from this "nordic" bloodline.
Somehow, I don't think that George Fox would like him to deny his ancestry.
Incidentally, this is probably my last posting until at least September.
Nice talking to all of you (some of you, anyway).
David Olsky
dol...@sas.upenn.edu
Kari Nenonen
Jason Smith <al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> Apology accepted. I guess I owe you one too. Now we're on the right
>track back to civilised human dialogue. The Net is addictive, is it not?
Yes, it is addictive; I'm spending far too much time here. And especially
in this newsgroup. I'm considering of stepping out. I was happier before;
this prevailing athmosphere of hatred is not doing good for me. I just
wonder what it does to you if you live it in your real life too.
> You certainly should be grateful that you've never had to deal with
>something like that. Again, I don't advocate political violence, but I will
>defend myself if attacked. I can't say the same for some of my political
>'allies,' however. Then again, it isn't a phenomenon restricted solely to
>'nazis.' Plenty of anti-racists engage in violent acts too.
I know. But it's essential in movements like nazis. And it's so futile and
stupid. I'm afraid to say anything because I have lived all my life in
a country where I never have really had to face any racial problems. I was
just thinking that Finland is maybe the "whitest" nation of the world.
About three years ago we got our first blacks - some hundreds of somali
refugees - and even that has caused some racial problems - minor, but
problems anyhow and without being prejudiced it's more than easy to see
that those problems are mainly caused by Finnish skinheads.
> That's sick. The only way he should have found Jesus is through
>the grave. I can't say I agree with you about punishment, though. Such
>punishments would certainly act as deterrents. Of course, the criminally
>insane are hard to deter...
In Finland the sentences are short and there is no capital punishment and
the jailhouses are more like summer camps or hotels. But the crime rate
is low and the streets are safe at nights even in the big cities. How
do you explain this?
> Hardly. I keep my politics to where it's appropriate. When I go
>to a bar, it's to drink, and watch the game. Canadiens lost, dammit! And
>San Jose just beat Toronto, of all the retarded things in this world!
>Incidentally, not every bald guy is a skinhead, and not all skinheads are
>racist. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell I was one at a casual
>glance, anyway.
I know, at least now after I spent two hours in alt.skinheads for curiosity
to see what you guys really talk together.
> Well, I'm sure you won't like this, but to my family, first and
>foremost. My race second. I will never beat a man when he's down, and
>believe it or not, I believe in fair play. No backstabbing, and
>definitely no sucker punches. I respect, though I do not agree with, my
>enemy, and I expect the same kind of respect in return. Anything else
>would be nothing short of anarchy and war.
I think those good values good be achieved without racism which contradicts
them anyhow at the end. Believe me I know what it is to belong to a
totalitarian group inside which there prevails strong feeling of togetherness
and friendship and which is against all the surrounding society. Those
words "loyalty" and "honour" they are strong words and I have no doubt
that you wouldn't believe in them. That's why I know too that there really
is not much I can say to you that can turn your head even a little bit.
But as far as I've noticed, you've got that much brains that sooner or
later you will wake up to the reality and then you'll see that this world
is a very lonely place for a lonely wolf.
.
>
>Jason
>
>--
>Northern Hammer Skins
Jason Smith
In a previous article, ha...@tsc.csc.cxo.dec.com (Harry Katz) says:
>Apparently, Jason Smith must be the last of the gentiles, since a flame
>against him is a flame against "all gentiles!"
Wow! I knew there was a conspiracy, but this big?!?!?!?!!?
--
Northern Hammer Skins
'73_chevy_pick-up
In article 25271@miavx1, bpha...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Svidrigailov) writes:
> In article <2q49rv$g...@search01.news.aol.com>, treb...@aol.com (Trebor Lee) writes:
> > In article <BZS.94Ap...@world.std.com>, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein)
> > writes:
> >
> >>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
> >>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
> >>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
> >>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
> >>most diseased bits.
> >
> > You sure do have some balls kike boy! Your the one who should be
> > can hide out and flame all of us gentiles, and make your idle threats, and go
> > unnoticed??? I bet you would shit your panties if I gave you a phone call at
> > fuck with one of my white brothers!!!
>
> just threatened Barry with a whole net's worth of witnesses looking on?
>
> I'll be sure to save this gem.
>
You quoted Mr Shein's address & phone number in your follow-up.
Just in case any rednecks out there missed it first time.
Nice one.
'73
Alex Irvine
> It is the mistake of the Nazi archetype to attempt to reclaim that which
> has been lost to cosmopolitan urbanization rather than forging a life from
> the frontier. Don't help drive us into the Nazi/Aryan archetype -- work
> with us to elicit the INDEPENDENT/pioneer archetype which, history has
> show, creates positive options for us all.
Are those the only two choices? Poor you; either a rabble of vicious
killers or noble, hardy pioneers. Alas, alackaday that the frontiers
receded before you could evolve away from that nasty predisposition
towards exterminating other cultures. Boo hoo....
Look, this is a bunch of bullshit. People with a tremendous variety
of genetic variation claim "Nordic" descent, or "Aryan" descent. Who
is right; who decides? You? You sound like Bruce Banner trying not
to change into the Hulk. "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry..."
I could claim Aryan or Nordic descent. I'm a damn sight closer to the
ideal than Hitler was, anyway.
Which is all beside the point. The point is that race, as perceived
in Western society today, is a myth. There is overlap between
supposedly well-defined "races" to such an extent that no set of
racial criteria holds up under rigorous scientific scrutiny. There
are equatorial Africans with Nordic feathures and coal-black skin,
et cetera, et cetera. Any set of criteria you can set up for being
"Nordic", I can knock down. So you aren't genetically predisposed
to be a roving independent pioneer any more than I am, or any more
than the first Homo habilis was when he (or she) wandered off the
savannah and began the first great diaspora. Give up the rhetoric;
it's a poor screen. All you really want is an excuse to look at
someone else as inferior to you, and nobody is going to give it
to you. Sorry this has gone on so long; I am genetically
predisposed to either long-windedness or imprudent consumption
of seedless grapes.
Alex Irvine
Jim Bowery
> were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
You know, David, if Martin Luther, at least, were alive today, I'd be
restraining him from going genocidal against Jews.
Read what he has to say about Jews sometime... it ain't pretty.
I'm not familiar with Calvin or Knox's positions on Jews but I would wager it
isn't much prettier.
There is a reason for all this history and it isn't that "antisemites
like Martin Luther are just losers who are jealous of the success of Jews."
But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears
will you? You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves. If you listened and
accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be able
to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.
But history teaches us such will never be the case.
Separatism is the only real "final solution".
Jim Bowery
> It's impossible to discuss with you, Jim, because you seem to be totally
> blind and deaf to your own words. At first I'm writing about Sami's rights
> in soc.culture.jewish - well, the thread led to Samis from Palestinians -
Sami's rights were mentioned along with the idea that "ethnic thinking"
is a scourge. That means the very notion of "Sami's" rights is a scourge.
> and label me a "Jewish woman" who is spreading "secular Jewish" propaganda
OK, I can understand about you being sensitive about me misidentifying you
as a woman. If it makes you feel any better, I'll post an apology to
the relevant newsgroups.
As to your being a secular Jew, it is certainly the case that if you
aren't one, you all but identify with them culturally. This, of course,
is not unique. Many people who have blood-ties, not just via ancestry
but through relations, to Jews are understandably concerned about
antisemitism and the potential for another holocaust. So if you aren't
a secular Jew you are STILL capable of having blood-ties that motivate
you to act as though you are one.
> to do with soc.culture.nordic. People got annoyed and started calling
> you names an ridicule you making jokes about the International Jewish
> Conspiracy. And of course you took everything litterally, because among
> other things you seem to have no sense of humor.
Balderdash. This International Jewish Conspiracy libel against me has
been going on for a lot longer than that -- it is a very convenient
prejudicial statement that happens to be false but believable -- joke
or not. As believable false statement, I don't take it as a joke, just
as I would expect a Jew to not take it as a joke were I to begin making
"jokes" about blood-libel.
> And what about Dan
> Gannon and Hitler being wrong about everything, I guess nobody is wrong
> about everything but if you refer to racial issues so they both were/are
> very wrong.
Hitler was wrong about hybrid vigor and he didn't really understand
WHY purebreeding is important. The neglect of hybrid vigor was a
very serious, his ideas of racial supremicy as well but his failure to
appreciate the exact reasons for purebreeding being valuable are only a
minor embarrassment. Hitler's errors in militarism, genocide and
centralization were the ones we should all recognize as the REAL problem --
not his racism, let alone his racialism.
> Maybe, but if that's the only proof you've got for your pure, nordic
> blood, then there is a reasonable doubt as you Americans say so often
> in tv-shows.
I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.
You guys are so blinded by your prejudice and expectations you can't
comprehend anything of what I write. You always have to cram it
back into your neat little stereotypes so it fits your prejudices.
And you have the gall to call me a racist bigot.
PS: No I won't forget your existence as long as you are serving as
a cats paw for secular jewish style ethnic clensing -- as you clearly
are -- regardless of your actual genotype. You are simply an
extended phenotype.
Jim Bowery
> In article <rburnsCp...@netcom.com> rbu...@netcom.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
> >In article <2q6ecm$3...@netnews.upenn.edu> dol...@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David F Olsky) writes:
> >>
>
> >>>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
> >>>nordic blood-lines.
> >>
> >>You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
> >>were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
>
> >Well, Martin Luther was _far_ more of an anti-semite than Mr. Bowery.
>
> Well, they'd still be laughing in his face, anti-semitic or not. Remember
> that Scandanavians *adopted* protestantism; they did not found it.
If you want to start splitting hairs about what is "Norden" and what
is not -- fine. There are arguments about this from time to time in
soc.culture.nordic. The phenotypic and genotypic differences between
the various indigenous N&W europeans are not all that great.
> Kind of interesting here. I had a grandfather whose last name was Fox,
> and he was Irish. This is, of course, a very common name. So, if a
> combination of Irish and Anglo-Saxons founded the Quakers and Jim is
> descended from them, he must not be from this "nordic" bloodline.
> Somehow, I don't think that George Fox would like him to deny his ancestry.
The Vikings even went into Ireland, David (as well as the Normans). Anyway,
I don't claim to be a purebred nord -- only Quaker pioneer who is about
as pure as they come.
Svidrigailov
Well well, mr. Moron, aren't we the stupid one? Do you realize you
just threatened Barry with a whole net's worth of witnesses looking on?
I'll be sure to save this gem.
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Brian Harmon Your reasoning is silly, illogical,
Miami University irrational, and it's beginning
Oxford, Ohio 45056 to make sense.
-----------...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu--------------------------
Barry Shein
From: her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>BS: Take it how you like. But you are a fool if you believe you can depend
>BS: on others' placidity in your wretched goals.
>
>Just what are my "wretched goals," Shein?
Race crimes.
>BS: Gaze upon a picture of Berlin in April 1945 if you have any doubts.
>
>BS: There is no mask.
>
>All the more reason White self-determinationists have to defend themselves
>with every means necessary. For you to condone the actions of madmen who
>orchestrated the murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of non-combatants
>in Berlin shows just how interested in justice you are (or should I say
>aren't).
Condone? Who condoned? The Nazis who ran the country at the time
condoned it. That's one reason Hitler and his henchmen are referred to
as madmen. They sacrificed thousands and thousands of their fellow
countrymen rather than broker peace when defeat was inevitable.
Hey, they wanted to go down to their last dying breath, they got it.
Anyhow, you're a nazi Hermann, don't bother speaking about "justice"
I'm not that goddamned stupid. Your interest in justice stops when you
have your hands on the noose.
>Mr. Shein is only interested in what his "Twilight Zone" of "gas chambers"
>and blond SS men with whips instills in him, not what I or other National
>Socialists truly believe and strive for.
We've been there once before, your kind is not an unknown quantity.
Burned any Turks lately Hermann? Swastika'd any gravestones or
synagogues? As I've said before, who do you think you're kidding?
Hey, we have any communists out there wanna lecture us all about the
beautiful dream of Marxist-Leninism while we're at it?
I assume Hermann will grant them everything he wishes granted to him,
all the benefits of the doubt of history. Ignore that copy of Mein
Kampf Hermann is waving, he only intends to put forth the good
parts...
Randall J. Burns
>
>>> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
>>> religion,
The Hutterites got started with fewer than 100 folks from the same
part of Europe-and they frequently bear some pretty striking resemblence
to each other.(this relative homogeneity may have something to do with the
striking success of their communal experiment).
>>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
>>nordic blood-lines.
>
>You know, Jim, I think that if Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Knox
>were alive, they'd be laughing pretty hard in your face.
Well, Martin Luther was _far_ more of an anti-semite than Mr. Bowery.
Does anyone have any evidence on how Knox and Calvin stood on this
issue?
Personally, I think George Fox(and early Quaker) would be quite proud of
Barry Shein
I realize bowery is beyond reasoning but...
From: jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
>Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
>We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
>genetic, protection.
Israel is a multi-racial/religious/cultural society, even more so than
the US (which you seem to decry.) For example, in Israel there are
court systems and other gov't institutions specifically for Muslims,
Jews and Christians. Separate offices, separate staffs, separate rules
where they feel they need them (e.g. marriage license offices that use
the Koran for primary guidance.)
Last I heard about 20% of Israel's population was non-Jewish Arab, a
far greater percentage than the "others" you seem to feel are
encroaching on you in the US (depends on how you cut it I suppose.)
Jews themselves are also multi-racial etc, witness the thousands of
Black Ethiopian Jews who have recently emigrated to Israel.
Anyhow, other than conjuring up simple-minded cartoon images of Israel
I believe you have chosen a rather poor example, not that I can think
of any good examples.
Well, hey, on with the show...
Ken Mcvay
>kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen) writes:
>> In article <jaboweryC...@netcom.com>,
>> Jim Bowery <jabo...@netcom.com> wrote:
>> >I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
>> >blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
>> >a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
>> >our society.
>> "People like you"? You mean that IJC?
>Big lie theory -- repeat "international jewish conspiracy" enough
>and people will start to think I had brought one up. Hitler really
Good point. Perhaps you will now provide a definition for the phrase "people
like you," and end the confusion?
(By the way, I was once quite active with the local Friends meeting, in
Portland, Oregon, and suspect those good folks would be quite surprised that
anyone would like them with "Nordic blood lines.")
>> As far as I
>> know Qakers are not any kind of nordic blood-line but a sect in protestant
>> religion,
>For the most part, protestant religions were found by people of
>nordic blood-lines.
...which, it seems, has absolutely nothing to do with any connection between
the Friends and "nordic blood lines." The Afro-American members of that
meeting would have found this discussion amusing, to say the least, and more
than a little perplexing, I suspect.
>Most of us just want to get away from you. All we need to do so is sovereign
>territory with genetic screening -- for which we would be willing to deal.
"Most of us?" As one of "Nordic blood-lines," _I_ find that part of this
discussion amusing. Should I assume that "get away from you" means "get away
from Kari," or "get away from Fins," or "get away from Jewish Fins," or
simply "get away from Jews?" (You do see the confusion, do you not? How is
one of Nordic blood-lines to know just who it is they wish to "get away
from," if you won't elucidate?)
Perhaps you can now provide the source for the assertion that "most ..."
want to get away from some unspecified individual or group, so we can better
comprehend what you are trying to say? Or, failing that, simply concede that
_you_ want to get away from someone, or some group, and that that is what
you meant to say in the first place.
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Barry Shein
From: her...@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU
>Mr. Shein is a Jew
I realize you are prone to racialist categorizations as per your Nazi
philosophy but for the record I neither practice nor subscribe to any
religion.
quir...@ix.wcc.govt.nz
>But, of course, you guys won't listen to an honest voice when it appears
>will you? You have to keep lying -- even to yourselves. If you listened and
>accepted some responsibility for this sordid historic pattern, we MIGHT be
>able to resolve our mutual problems and not have to seek separation.
I'm sorry, but Freud just *labeled* paranoid delusions. He didn't
create them, and therefore neither he nor Jews in general bear no
responsibility for your unfortunate condition.
- Tony Q.
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Tony Quirke, Wellington, New Zealand (email for phone no)
"I, however, am a fully rounded human being. I have a degree from the
University Of Life, a certificate from the School Of Hard Knocks, and three
gold stars from the Kindergarten Of Getting The S**t Kicked Out Of You..."
Barry Shein
Well, I suppose I should comment since everyone else is.
First, here was the paragraph Mr Lee responded to so violently:
>>Indeed, various government employees are quite constrained in their
>>ability to act. However, if I were Jason Smith I'd still be concerned
>>about the rest of the population and the dark of the night. Like any
>>body, the body politic has its anti-bodies capable of exicising its
>>most diseased bits.
Obviously my point was a comment on (our US) society in general, that
they weren't likely to stand for the sort of professed lawlessness and
hatred that Nazis on this group represent. And that perhaps some of
them are in a fantasyland and believe can argue their case like one
does in a principal's office with mom sitting there and everyone
trying to generously give some kid who got caught playing hookey the
benefit of the doubt, if he can raise any doubts. Real life is much
harsher, and courts tend to not protect rights as often as they tend
to pick up the pieces after a harm has been done, not before. Mr Jason
Smith talks about toy-boys etc in prison, surely such activities are
not the stated policy of these prisons, same thing really as what I
was saying: Life can be harsh to those who believe they can pull one
over on everyone which is what I sincerely believe these nazis delude
themselves into thinking. It was a statement on reality, admittedly a
harsh one. I realize that a certain primitive mentality tends to want
to go after the messenger, as if it were I who invented these things
simply because I described them.
What's interesting is observing how thin the veneer is with these
nazis and how quick they resort to the lowest violent tactics and
threats when challenged. Their claims that they only wish to argue
their case is revealed for the lie it is. These are violent and
potentially dangerous people as we have amply witnessed right here on
this group. I hope any illusions to the contrary have now been
shattered. I also hope that others who may indeed be more civil in
nature, Ross Vicksell comes to mind, realize the spawn they encourage
with their generally hateful remarks. Profess a philosophy of
sociopathy and be ready to bed with sociopaths.
As to the threats, all I can say to Mr Lee is that his actions have
given him and some others here good reason to pray for my undisturbed
welfare.
It wasn't my info Mr Lee handed out, it was info on himself that was
made most public.
That's just a fact, signing your name to death threats is not a mark
of high intelligence.
Kari Nenonen
>Sami's rights were mentioned along with the idea that "ethnic thinking"
>is a scourge. That means the very notion of "Sami's" rights is a scourge.
You should also mention what I meant by "ethnic thinking" and I meant about
something you are representing. And you referred Samis as a somekind of
primitive tribe who live in huts and practise shamanism. That would be
offensive for any Sami I know - and I think I know more Samis than you.
Samis have exactly the same rights as other Finnish people do plus some
special rights to protect their old culture and language.
>OK, I can understand about you being sensitive about me misidentifying you
>as a woman. If it makes you feel any better, I'll post an apology to
>the relevant newsgroups.
That really isn't necessary.
>As to your being a secular Jew, it is certainly the case that if you
>aren't one, you all but identify with them culturally. This, of course,
>is not unique. Many people who have blood-ties, not just via ancestry
>but through relations, to Jews are understandably concerned about
>antisemitism and the potential for another holocaust. So if you aren't
>a secular Jew you are STILL capable of having blood-ties that motivate
>you to act as though you are one.
I'm a member of the western culture family - thats how I identify myself -
and I agree that my morals are thus based much on Jewish-Greco-Roman heritage.
as well as yours even if you try to deny it. You really think it takes
"blood-ties" to be concerned about antisemitism and the potential for another
holocaust? Yes, that's what you obviously think and NOW I understand why
it is so hard for you to believe that I'm not a "Jew" secular or other...
Poor Jim, you are really deep in it... what ever it is.
>Balderdash. This International Jewish Conspiracy libel against me has
>been going on for a lot longer than that -- it is a very convenient
>prejudicial statement that happens to be false but believable -- joke
>or not. As believable false statement, I don't take it as a joke, just
>as I would expect a Jew to not take it as a joke were I to begin making
>"jokes" about blood-libel.
Ok. So let me ask you one question: Do you believe or do you not, that
there really is some kind of International Jewish Conspiracy?
>Hitler was wrong about hybrid vigor and he didn't really understand
>WHY purebreeding is important. The neglect of hybrid vigor was a
>very serious, his ideas of racial supremicy as well but his failure to
>appreciate the exact reasons for purebreeding being valuable are only a
>minor embarrassment. Hitler's errors in militarism, genocide and
>centralization were the ones we should all recognize as the REAL problem --
>not his racism, let alone his racialism.
Your racial theories has proven wrong here before by better genealogists
than me, so I won't even try. And no matter what you say, for me there
is only one race: the human race.
>I happen to be quite certain I DON'T have pure nordic blood.
So you have to be left outside of your own future consentration camp for
pure blooded nordic people?
>You guys are so blinded by your prejudice and expectations you can't
>comprehend anything of what I write. You always have to cram it
>back into your neat little stereotypes so it fits your prejudices.
Considering how you have been stereotyping me here and in soc.culture.nordic,
I think you are the last person to complain about stereotyping.
I think I comprehend everything you write - that's the main reason I
answer to you.
>PS: No I won't forget your existence as long as you are serving as
>a cats paw for secular jewish style ethnic clensing -- as you clearly
>are -- regardless of your actual genotype. You are simply an
>extended phenotype.
*sigh*
What is exatly "secular jewish style ethnic cleansing"?
Kari "an extended phenotype" Nenonen
Jason Smith
In a previous article, b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) says:
>Condone? Who condoned? The Nazis who ran the country at the time
>condoned it. That's one reason Hitler and his henchmen are referred to
>as madmen. They sacrificed thousands and thousands of their fellow
>countrymen rather than broker peace when defeat was inevitable.
I seem to recall Churchill doing the same.
--
Northern Hammer Skins
Svidrigailov
> treb...@aol.com (Trebor Lee) writes:
[snip snip]
> Listen folks, there is a solution to the hate and it is called separatism.
There is a solution to hate and it is called understanding and respect.
> Our respective kindreds wouldn't be nearly as prone to violence and fraud
> if it weren't for the fact that there is NO WHERE ON EARTH where my kindred
> can find a sovereign ethnic space based on principles of genetic separation.
Funny, Jim, I'm almost pure 100% celt, and I have no idea what you're
talking about when you say "soveriegn ethnic space".
Assume for a momoent you and I form our own little "sovereign ethnic
space" in the NW territory of Canada. Assume then, some nice eskimos now want
to move in next door, as the fishing grounds are good there. What right to we
have to keep them out?
How are you going to accomplish this "sovereign ethnic space" without
forcing someone out? How far are you willing to go?
> We NEED that space just as Jews needed Israel for their cultural, if not
> genetic, protection.
ISRAEL??? If the Jews use Israel for cultural/genetic protection, there
sure are a lot of Palestinians living there for it to be a "cultural/genetic
safe haven". (note: I don't just mean the occupied territories, either.)
> What is the price we must pay to obtain our homeland? It is clear that we
> will not be allowed to reclaim North or Western Europe as Jews were allowed
> to reclaim the Levant, so what are we to do?
Grow up. deal with it. Look at the African sitting across from you om
the train and realize that she is your sister.
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
The raving of total loons on the net exterminates rational conversation.
The promotion of killfiles gives rational conversation a route to survival.
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"To be born to create, to love, to win at games is to be born to live
in time of peace. But war teaches us to lose everything and become
what we were not. It all becomes a question of style....." -A. Camus
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quir...@ix.wcc.govt.nz
[In response to kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)]
>I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
>blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
>a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
>our society.
Jim, could you expand on your theory that a Finlandese Conspiracy is
controlling America ? It appears to be, um, unique in the annals of
conspiracy theorising.
Oh, and I do compliment you on declaring yourself to be of nordic
blood compared to someone from Finland. Such a declaration shows great
faith in your own beliefs, regardless of the petty dictates of reality.
Randall J. Burns
that Jim Bowery "needed help" and suggested he seek some kind of
psychotherapy.
Do you really think that public humiliation tactics are conducive to
the promotion of mental health? Do you really think that if you did
run into a troubled individual who might benefit by psychotherapy
that suggesting this in public would be the best way to encourage
them to do so?
quir...@ix.wcc.govt.nz
>Mr. Shein is a Jew, and hatred tends to come easy for them. We should try to
>understand this hateful nature.
Y'all want to take a measure on public opinion as to whether you or
Barry has the most hateful nature ?
As far as I can see, you're a two bit little pissant who has to resort
to Nazi beliefs to provide some measure of self respect, deluded as that
may be. Prove me wrong, Milton. What have you done in your life that can
be considered worthwhile ?
And if the *only* worth you think you have is tied up with your Nazi
activities, ask yourself why you think you're worth listening to.
- Tony Q. "By their own words, they will be exposed,,,"
Lawrence Allen
: jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery) writes:
: [In response to kauh...@mits.mdata.fi (Kari Nenonen)]
: >I happen to be from a more pacifistic strain of the nordic
: >blood-line (Quakers) which is why I haven't ended up becoming
: >a psychopathic murderer in response to people like you controlling
: >our society.
Quakers are of nordic blood-lines? ?!?!??
I have some friends who are Quakers. They have been Quakers since
the early days of the religion. They are very dark skinned.
They will be pleased to know that they are nordic. That will clear
up a lot of confusion in their family.
: Jim, could you expand on your theory that a Finlandese Conspiracy is
: controlling America ? It appears to be, um, unique in the annals of
: conspiracy theorising.
Ha! so that's it. You Fins have really been controlling things all along.
Well let me tell you one thing, bub. We won't stand for it. The very
idea. And all the time letting folks think it was the jews that were
screwing things. Well, now that we know, don't think you can go on
without fixing some of this stuff that is going wrong.
Alex Irvine
b...@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes:
> So, like then what can we learn from that guy* who went up to the top
> of the belltower at UT Austin and shot 42 people?
>
> You mean in your utopia mass murderers will be eliminated?
>
> I know you'll say yes, I mean, why not say yes, you'll say anything
> that pops into your head it seems.
>
> * Charles Starkweather? I forget.
I think the tower guy was named Whitman. Starkweather is the guy who
killed the nurses in Chicago. But geez, ask Bowery, he's the mass
murderer fan.
Alex
Jim Bowery
> Funny, Jim, I'm almost pure 100% celt, and I have no idea what you're
> talking about when you say "soveriegn ethnic space".
It is really no different from any other sovereign state except that it
is permitted to screen its immigrants for genetic content.
--
Barry Shein
From: al...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jason Smith)
>>Condone? Who condoned? The Nazis who ran the country at the time
>>condoned it. That's one reason Hitler and his henchmen are referred to
>>as madmen. They sacrificed thousands and thousands of their fellow
>>countrymen rather than broker peace when defeat was inevitable.
>
> I seem to recall Churchill doing the same.
I don't remember Churchill being defeated.
Barry Shein
From: jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
>Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and
>mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
>
>Yeah, that was prime time!
>
>Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be
>desired.
(Ain't my Israel)
(but it was you who put it up as some sort of ideal)
So, like then what can we learn from that guy* who went up to the top
of the belltower at UT Austin and shot 42 people?
You mean in your utopia mass murderers will be eliminated?
I know you'll say yes, I mean, why not say yes, you'll say anything
that pops into your head it seems.
* Charles Starkweather? I forget.
Barry Shein
From: jabo...@netcom.com (Jim Bowery)
>By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days? Of the
>folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.
One can only wonder how he concludes this.
Jim Bowery
> >> "People like you"? You mean that IJC?
No, people who have zero respect for the wishes of others to be
left alone in their sovereign states because you know that if
you can just become part of their society, you can manipulate
yourself into dominance over them.
Oh -- also the members of the society who you have so
manipulated that they serve as puppets or slaves to your
ethnic agenda. A lot of "liberals", homosexuals, feminists
and the like fit into that category. They exhibit "extended
phenotypes" of your more dominant genotype.
> (By the way, I was once quite active with the local Friends meeting, in
> Portland, Oregon,
Why doesn't this surprise me in the least?
>and suspect those good folks would be quite surprised that
> anyone would like them with "Nordic blood lines.")
The history of population genetics in Northern Europe created enough
mixing between the various ethnic groups in the winterlands that it is
reasonable to use the word Nordic for all of them. Some dispute this
but it is little more productive to argue about it than the word "Jew".
Jim Bowery
>
> Last I heard about 20% of Israel's population was non-Jewish Arab, a
> far greater percentage than the "others" you seem to feel are
> encroaching on you in the US (depends on how you cut it I suppose.)
>
> Jews themselves are also multi-racial etc, witness the thousands of
> Black Ethiopian Jews who have recently emigrated to Israel.
>
> Anyhow, other than conjuring up simple-minded cartoon images of Israel
> I believe you have chosen a rather poor example, not that I can think
> of any good examples.
>
> Well, hey, on with the show...
Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and
mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
Yeah, that was prime time!
Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be
desired.
Mike Schilling
> The promotion of politics exterminates apolitical genes in the population.
> The promotion of frontiers gives apolitical genes a route to survival.
Well, Senator Gene McCarthy was a political Gene. Heavyweight champion
Gene Tunney was not. Of course, Tunney's son John was a United States
Senator, so we conclude that political genes are not inherited.
Jim Bowery
...
By the way, what are you guys doing in New Zealand these days? Of the
folks on the internet from NZ, more than half are Jewish.
--
Kari Nenonen
Well, I think Mr. Bowery humiliated himself with his paranoid comments,
if it is humiliating to show ones need for help in public. I don't see
that mental sickness is any more humiliating than a physical one. Besides
I don't believe that I would be able to encourage Mr. Bowery to do anything,
privately or publicly.
Mike Schilling
> a cats paw for secular jewish style ethnic clensing -- as you clearly
> are -- regardless of your actual genotype. You are simply an
> extended phenotype.
ideas, goals, hopes, and dreams. Face the facts: you're just an extended
phenotype. :-)
Michael P. Stein
>Oh you mean the show where the guy walks into the Israeli mosque and
>mows down a bunch of praying Muslims?
>
>Yeah, that was prime time!
>
>Your "multicultural-multiracial" Israel leaves something to be
>desired.
There are Jewish lunatics, unfortunately; Jews are human beings just
as are non-Jews, and are not immune from the weaknesses of human beings -
where have you heard it claimed otherwise? There is no justification for
that crime, and I have already made my statement against it elsewhere.
However, Mr. Bowery, there is also no justification for your focusing
on the crime of one Jew and condemning an entire nation with it, while
remaining silent on non-Jewish crimes. Your intelligence and honesty both
leave something to be desired.
--
Mike Stein The above represents the Absolute Truth.
POB 10420 Therefore it cannot possibly be the official
Arlington, VA 22210 position of my employer.