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Darius Just

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You're still running, dickless pigshit. You're still a coward...

dickless tommy pigshit wrote:

> Darius Just wrote:
>
> > You are wrong, dickless. Abbott lied about the normative history of
> > the Holocaust. Can you spot the lie, dickless?
> >
> > --- dj
>
> You made a claim that Abbott lied. The burdon of proof is on you to cite
> those lies.

I did so last August, dickless pigshit. You ran away, never even
attempting a reply.

http://tinyurl.com/6282n

--- dj

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Darius Just

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, dickless tommy pigshit wrote:

... crap ...

Still afraid to face the facts, dickless -- or even acknowledge that they
were presented to you? No surprise there...

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Deborah Sharavi

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Tommy wrote:
>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
"Gammadion"
>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew,
Mark,
>Luke & John, in The Bible!

Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
however, reversed it.

Deborah

Roger

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
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>Deborah Sharavi wrote:

>> Tommy wrote:

>>>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
>>>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
>>>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
>>>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
>> "Gammadion"
>>>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
>>>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew,
>>>Mark,
>>>Luke & John, in The Bible!

And is oriented vertical and horizontal, not diagonal like the Nazi
symbol.

But the hater site ittle tommikins visited to get this info didn't
tell zie that.

>> Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
>> however, reversed it.

>So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows in
>what context Harry displayed this universal symbol. Sounds like his real
>charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided that
>his showing of a symbol had evil intint.

LOL -- a red armband, a white circle, and a black reversed swastika --
but it may not have been the Nazi symbol.

Pull the other one, ittle tommikins -- it has a bell.

When are you going to get around to posting all those names of the
xtians you claim were killed by Jews, along with proof of the cause of
death and that it was a Jew that killed them?

Kurt Knoll

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Somehow I keep feeling your vocabulary is shrinking pleas don't wear you
fingers out on the keyboard get your self a stamp made up.

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Kurt Knoll

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Did anyone ever tell you your face looks like a Tampax.

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Kurt Knoll

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Did reserve it for the holocaust industries no swastika no holocaust.

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Ed

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"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows in
> what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.

Oh, we know, alright.

Sounds like his real
> charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided
> that
> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.

If this isn't the case, why did he apologize?

>
> --
> A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. BUT cannot survive
> treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is
> known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those
> within the gates freely.
> Marcus Tullius
> http://tinyurl.com/5dwrc


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Patrick Keenan

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"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Deborah Sharavi wrote:
>
> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh?

No, they are just not functionally blind, as you appear to be.

> No one knows in
> what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.

Unless one saw a photo or read the description of the rest of the "costume".
Either provided the context: a Nazi armband, red with the tilted, reverse
black swastika on a white circle.

What he wore was not the religious symbol, unless you count Nazism as a
religion.

http://www.recorder.ca/cp/World/050117/w011753A.html


> Sounds like his real charge is a thought crime/s.

No. For an taste of what he did, get yourself a hammer and sickle or Che
t-shirt and wear it in Miami.

> After all, they read his mind and decided that
> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.

So you didn't actually see the photos or read the descriptions, did you?

Once again, you don't know what you are talking about.

-pk


James

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You can put a pig in a suit and spray cologne on it but it is still a pig.
No matter what you say about the Swastika, it still represents evil to most
decent people.


--
We must never forget that on Sept.12, 2001, Israel's flags were flying at
half-staff and the Palestinians were dancing in the streets.


Darius Just

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, dickless tommy pigshit wrote:

> No one knows in what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.

He displayed it as part of a Nazi costume, idiot pigshit.

--- dj

Darius Just

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On dickless tommy pigshit wrote:

... more dickless crap ...

Keep running, mindless pissboy! I LOVE it when you advertise your
cowardice!

Patrick Keenan

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"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Ed wrote:
>
>>> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows in
>>> what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.
>>
>> Oh, we know, alright.
>
> You do?

>
>> Sounds like his real
>>> charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided
>>> that
>>> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.
>>
>> If this isn't the case, why did he apologize?
>>
>
> Cause he's a LAMER!!

Actually, because by birth he is a public figure, and has to consider the
effects of his actions on others.

> He should have said: I went to a 'private' costume party What I wore is
> none
> of your FUCKING BUSINESS!

Sorry, Tommy, but in that family, *nothing* is private. It goes with being
Royalty.

-pk


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Roger

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someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
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>Let me see if I got this right..

You don't, but then that's pretty much par for the course.

>The Brits declare war on Germany

...because Germany invaded Poland, with whom Britain had a treaty
requiring Britain to come to its aid.

You see, Hitler counted on Chamberlain being as dishonest as he was,
and thought that maybe Britain wouldn't keep its word to Poland.

The same mistake you make, assuming everyone is as irrational as you
are.

> - then blame Germany for fighting back?

Invading Poland is fighting back?

>Evil Germans, evil symbols, bla bla bla.
>The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler invaded
>Poland.

Except that they were obligated by treaty to respond.

You see -- Britain acted honourably, which is why neither you nor
Hitler understand their actions.

>We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the bidding of
>the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.

No, the hypocrisy we see is you doing your steal-paste-run act, then
complaining that no one will take you seriously.

When are you going to post the names of all those xtians you claim
were killed by Jews?

>Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents. If another
>country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we would be
>called patatrots.
>
>Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the bad guy,
>when they declared war on Germany.
>
>Like they say: The Victors write history.

LOL

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Roger

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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
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>Patrick Keenan wrote:

>> "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:1589561.mnxrBizLk2@FreeBSD...

>>> Ed wrote:

>>>>> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows
>>>>> in what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.

>>>> Oh, we know, alright.

>>> You do?

>>>>> Sounds like his real
>>>>> charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided
>>>>> that
>>>>> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.

>>>> If this isn't the case, why did he apologize?

>>> Cause he's a LAMER!!

>> Actually, because by birth he is a public figure, and has to consider the
>> effects of his actions on others.

>He's pretty old..I think he's like 20.

< rolls eyes >

>After he turns 18 and moves out he
>can say and do what he wants.

And then have it widely reported. Because he is who he is.

>>> He should have said: I went to a 'private' costume party What I wore is
>>> none
>>> of your FUCKING BUSINESS!

>> Sorry, Tommy, but in that family, *nothing* is private. It goes with
>> being Royalty.

>Yeah, but he can do what he wants..Didn't he admit to smoking weed, &
>drinking? I think he did.
>If I were him, I would have 5-differnt girls everynight, and tell MI6 to
>watch & wish..That would be too cool!

So, when are you going to stop sponging off your mommie and learn how
the *real* world works?

Kurt Knoll

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The Jews were traitors since about 1916 when they did approach the
British and promised them American help to win the war against Germany.
Now wonder the hate they created led to world war II.

Kurt Knoll.
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> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>
> > Did anyone ever tell you your face looks like a Tampax.
> >
>

> His face is on mug shot..........LOL!!

Kurt Knoll

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Darius it look like you did masturbate into a frenzy so you can not
think strait anymore.

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Kurt Knoll

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Who decides Keenan does the whole world kiss the Jews asses.

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Kurt Knoll

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Do the Jews always infringe in private carnival parties or can we expect
another wave of Jewish propaganda. Just remember the hate you beget is
the one you created yourself.

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Kurt Knoll

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Do not forget the deal the British made with Israel to attack Egypt.

Kurt Knoll.
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> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>
> > "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:10534501.av0ZiDiBP9@FreeBSD...
> >> Deborah Sharavi wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tommy wrote:
> >>>>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE
SWASTIKA!
> >>>>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
> >>>>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
> >>>>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
> >>> "Gammadion"
> >>>>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the
Greek
> >>>>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel:
Matthew,
> >>> Mark,
> >>>>Luke & John, in The Bible!
> >>>
> >>> Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
> >>> however, reversed it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh?
> >
> > No, they are just not functionally blind, as you appear to be.
>
>
>

> Let me see if I got this right..The Brits declare war on Germany -
then
> blame Germany for fighting back? Evil Germans, evil symbols, bla bla


bla.
> The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler
invaded
> Poland.
>

> We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the
bidding of
> the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.
>

> Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents. If
another
> country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we
would be
> called patatrots.
>
> Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the bad
guy,
> when they declared war on Germany.
>
> Like they say: The Victors write history.

Kurt Knoll

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The Poles started the shooting knowing the British would support them.

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Darius Just

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005, Kurt Knoll wrote:

> The Jews were traitors since about 1916 when they did approach the
> British and promised them American help to win the war against Germany.
> Now wonder the hate they created led to world war II.

Which country launched the first attack of WWII, turd?

Do not top post, moron.

--- dj

Darius Just

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Tommy wrote:

> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>
>> "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:10534501.av0ZiDiBP9@FreeBSD...

...

>>> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh?
>>
>> No, they are just not functionally blind, as you appear to be.
>

> Let me see if I got this right..The Brits declare war on Germany - then


> blame Germany for fighting back?

We're discussing Prince Harry's wearing of a Nazi costume, and your
ignorance of the circumstance of same. You suddenly realize that you've
been shown to be a fool once again, so you try to change the subject.

You're a coward, pigshit. You've always been a coward. You'll always be a
coward.

--- dj

Sara Salzman

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In article <2011311.TG0MDAexPs@FreeBSD>, Tommy <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

> BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
> In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
>
> It is a religious symbol of "good!"
> Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a "Gammadion"
> because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
> Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew, Mark,
> Luke & John, in The Bible!

> Full story below.
> www.halturnershow.com

Little Boy, WHERE in the moronic drivel you posted does it refer at all
to the BBC? All I see is more Hal Turner spew. If there's a real
reference, CITE IT.

Mommy still saving up money for that group home?

Sara

--
I'm not a denier..Some Jews died of typhus and stuff, I will acknowledge
that..
--- Little Child Tommie

Joe Bruno

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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> The Jews were traitors since about 1916 when they did approach the
> British and promised them American help to win the war against
Germany.
> Now wonder the hate they created led to world war II.
>
> Kurt Knoll.

No, idiot. This is what happened:


http://www.plymouthbrethren.com/balfour.mv?bf=1


Jews are a tiny minority in the USA, moron. How can they commit the USA
to anything?

jga...@netzero.com

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You lie like an Arab. Aryan-Arab Alliance of Big Liars.

jga...@netzero.com

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>From Israel's POV, the Egyptians had equipped and sent Palestinian
terrorists (fedayeen) to kill hundreds of Israeli from 1949 - 1956. No
different than terrorist attacks on the US on 9/11. If a state equips
and sends terrorists to kill your people, that is an act of war. That
is why ISrael was in on it. The British had a different motive, the
unilateral nationalization of the Suez Canal which belonged to Britain
which had bought it from the Khedive of Egypt in the 19th century. If
the Panamanians had unilaterally seized the Paname Canal, the US would
have done the same thing, and indeed it did.

Hazel

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James wrote:

> You can put a pig in a suit and spray cologne on it but it is still a pig.
> No matter what you say about the Swastika, it still represents evil to
> most decent people.
>
>


Trollish lies again.
The Swastika is and always has been/will be a good luck symbol to humans.
To others, of course, it's otherwise.

Riain Y. Barton

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He was wearing a NAZI uniform you idiot!

"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Deborah Sharavi wrote:


|
| > Tommy wrote:
| >>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
| >>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
| >>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
| >>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
| > "Gammadion"
| >>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
| >>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew,
| > Mark,
| >>Luke & John, in The Bible!
| >

| > Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
| > however, reversed it.
| >
|

| So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows in
| what context Harry displayed this universal symbol. Sounds like his real
| charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided

that
| his showing of a symbol had evil intint.
|

Riain Y. Barton

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/trotsky_leon.shtml
Leon Trotsky (1879 - 1940)
A key figure in the Bolshevik seizure of power in Russia in 1917 and the man
who built up the Red Army during the subsequent civil war, Trotsky was
second only to Lenin in the early stage of Soviet communist rule. But this
gifted intellectual lost out to Stalin in the power struggle of the 1920s,
was forced into exile and ultimately murdered by an agent of his political
nemesis.

Born Lev Davidovich Bronshtein and of Jewish origin, Trotsky became involved
in underground activities as a teenager. He was soon arrested, jailed and
exiled to Siberia. Eventually, he escaped and spent the majority of the next
15 years abroad, including a spell as war correspondent in the Balkans.

While Lenin assumed leadership of the Bolshevik faction, Trotsky became a
Menshevik and developed his theory of 'permanent revolution'. After the
outbreak of revolution in Petrograd in February 1917, he made his way back
to Russia. Despite many previous disagreements with Lenin, Trotsky joined
the Bolsheviks in August 1917 and played a decisive role in the communist
take-over of power the same year. His first post in the new government was
as foreign commissar, where he found himself negotiating peace terms with
the Germans, before taking over as war commissar.

In this capacity, he built up the Red Army which prevailed against the White
forces in the Civil War, and thus, Trotsky played a crucial role in keeping
the Bolshevik regime alive. He saw himself as Lenin's heir apparent but he
was not a team player, his intellectual arrogance made him few friends, and
his Jewish background may also have worked against him. When Lenin fell ill
and subsequently died, Trotsky was easily outmanoeuvred by Stalin. In 1927,
he was thrown out of the party, and internal, then foreign, exile followed.

Trotsky ended up in Mexico, from where he continued to criticise Stalin. The
Soviet dictator caught up with him in 1940, when a Spanish communist, Ramon
Mercader, having infiltrated Trotsky's household, stabbed him with an ice
axe. Mortally wounded, he lingered for a day but died in hospital. His
political legacy was kept alive for decades, mainly in the corridors of
Western European universities.


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| Ed wrote:
|
| >> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows
in
| >> what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.
| >
| > Oh, we know, alright.
|

| You do?


|
| > Sounds like his real
| >> charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and decided
| >> that
| >> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.
| >
| > If this isn't the case, why did he apologize?
| >
|

| Cause he's a LAMER!!

| He should have said: I went to a 'private' costume party What I wore is
none
| of your FUCKING BUSINESS!

| Hell, had went as Leon Trotskey who was far worse than Hitler, nothing
would
| have been said; No doubt 'you people' would have praised him for going as
a
| Gentile hating Jew.

Riain Y. Barton

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Leon Trotsky (1879-1940) - Leon Trotski, pseudonym of Leib or Lev Davidovich
Bronstein

Russian Jewish Revolutionary leader and Soviet politician, a close friend of
Lenin. Trotsky's theory of 'permanent revolution' became unpopular after
Stalin had gained power in the Soviet Union. Trotsky was assassinated by one
of Stalin's agents. Although Trotsky later condemned the Red Terror, he was,
perhaps, one of its first proponents.
"Things are not going well. The Greek soldiers landed on the shores of
Crimea, according to the reports of Allied diplomats and newspapermen, were
mounted on Crimean donkeys, but the donkeys were not able to arrive in time
at the Perekop Isthmus. Things are not going well. Evidently even donkeys
have begun to shake off the imperialistic harness." (from Trotsky's speech
on April 1919)
Lev Davidovich Bronstein (Leon Trotsky) was born in Yanovka, Ukraine, as the
son of an illiterate Jewish farmer. Trotsky's father, David Bronshtein, had
bought land near the small town of Bobrinets, and eventually he became a
substantial landowner. During the revolution he lost his estate, but Trotsky
set him up as the manager of a flour mill near Moscow. Trotsky's mother,
Anna, came from Odessa, where she had received a modest education. "We were
not deprived, except of life's generosity and tenderness", Trotsky later
said. His mother loved to read to her eight children and encouraged them to
acquire a good education. She died in 1910. Only Lev, two sisters and a
brother survived beyond childhood. After Trotsky was deported in 1929, his
brother Alexander publicly disowned him, but he was shot in 1938. Liza,
Trotsky's elder sister, died in 1924. Trotsky's younger sister Olga married
an influential Bolshevik leader, Lev Kamenev, but she was shot in 1941. Her
two young sons were shot in 1936.

After attending a Jewish primary school, Trotsky studied at a state school
in Odessa. He was a very good student, who especially loved mathematics, but
was expelled for a year when he fell foul of the French teacher. "I can
hardly think of a single teacher whom I might remember with affection", he
recalled.

Trotsky become an ardent disciple of Karl Marx already in his youth. In 1896
Trotsky joined the Social Democrats and two years later he was arrested as a
Marxist and exiled to Siberia. Four years later he escaped and reached
England by means of a forged passport that used the name of a jailer in
Odessa's prison, Trotsky.

In London Trotsky met Lenin and other Russian Revolutionary thinkers and
collaborated in publication their journal of Iskra (The Spark). When the
party split in 1903, and Trotsky broke with Lenin, he gained position as a
leader of the Menshevik wing of the Social Democratic party, as opposed to
the Bolshevik one under Lenin, prophesying that Leninist theory would result
in a one-man dictatorship. In the abortive 1905 revolution Trotsky organized
the first revolutionary Soviet council in St. Petersburg and was appointed
president of the Soviet. About this time he propounded the doctrine of
'permanent revolution,' which implied that revolution in one country must be
followed by revolutions in other countries, eventually throughout the world.
After the uprising ended he was again exiled to Siberia, and managed once
more escape.

"Some time before the war the Austro-Hungarian government received a sharp
note from St Petersburg, demanding that a stop be put to the activities of
the Russian political emigrants in Vienna. The Minister of the Interior
received the note and shook with laughter: 'Who do they think is going to
start a revolution in Russia - perhaps that Herr Trotsky from the Café
Central?'" (from Wit as a Weapon by Egon Larsen, 1980)
Trotsky worked then as journalist in Vienna, and become editor of Pravda
(truth). With the outbreak of World War I he moved to Zürich in 1914 and
then to Germany, where he was imprisoned for opposing the war. During World
War I Trotsky led the internationalist wing of the Mensheviks. He denounced
Russia's involvement in the war. In 1915 Trotsky moved to Paris, editing the
socialist weekly Nashe Slovo, but he was expelled from France as a result of
his pacifist propaganda. After a short stay in New York as the editor of
Novy Mir, Trotsky returned to Russia in 1917. He joined the Bosheviks in St.
Petersburg and established the magazine Vperied (Forward). Trotsky was
arrested for a short time by Aleksandr Feodorovich Kerenski's provisional
government, but after release he played a major role in the October
Revolution.

At the conference in Brest-Litovsk in 1918 Trotsky was leader of the Russian
delegate. From 1919 to 1927 he was a member of Politburo. Trotsky was made
the Russian Civil War commissar for war (1918-25) and created in this post
the Red army. For two and half years, as he explained in My Life, he lived
in his heavy armored train with two engines, travelling from one front to
another. The Red army grew from 800,000 to 3,000,000, and fought on sixteen
fronts simultaneously. With his speeches Trotsky encouraged villagers,
troops, his illiterate audience who was cut off from the vital news. "These
spring months become the decisive months in the history of Europe. At the
same time this spring will decide definitely the fate of the bourgeois and
rich peasant, anti-Soviet Russia."

In 1921-22 the last remnants of non-Communist socialist parties, the
Mensheviks and Socialist Revolutionaries, were abolished. In May 1922 Lenin
suffered a stroke which left him partly paralyzed, in early 1923 another
took away his speech and in January 1924 he died. After Lenin's death, among
the aspiring successors, Stalin and Trotsky were the leading figures. In his
writings Trotsky stressed the peculiarities of the Russian economic and
social development. "The insignificance of the Russian cities, which more
than anything else promoted the development of an Asian state, also made
impossible a Reformation - that is, a replacement of the feudal-bureaucratic
orthodoxy by some sort of modernized kind of Christianity adapted to the
demands of a bourgeois society. The struggle against the state church did
not go farther than the creation of peasant sects, the faction of the Old
Believers being the most powerful among them." (from The History of the
Russian Revolution, 1931-33) Russia, lacking the mature capitalist
development, could go straight to a dictatorship of the proletariat, but
Trotsky believed that it was impossible to build socialism in one country
alone. In this he disagreed fatally with Stalin.

"The dictatorship of the Communist Party is maintained by recourse to
every form of violence." (from Terrorism and Communism, 1924)
Although Lenin had rejected Stalin as his successor, Stalin strengthened his
position. He inclined towards concentrating on the development of a
Communist order in Russia, while Trotsky was dedicated to the belief that
Russia should catalyze worldwide Communist revolution. Stalin believed that
socialism in one country was possible. A schism broke out in Communist
ranks. Trotsky's Left Opposition tried to mobilize the Moscow proletariat,
but this failed due to the workers' indifference. The failure proved that he
was no longer a charismatic mass leader. Trotsky's influence began to
decline and Stalin removed him from the commissariat for war.

From 1925 to 1926 Trotsky held relatively minor administrative post, before
he was ousted from the party by Stalin. In 1927 Trotsky was exiled to Alma
Ata, in Kazakstan, where he devoted himself to writing his memoirs and
bitter pamphlets. The 'combined opposition' of Trotsky, Grigory Zinoview,
and Lev Kamenev was unsuccessful. In 1929 Trotsky was totally expelled from
the Soviet Union. With this stroke Stalin became the sole and undisputable
leader of the Communist Party, and therefore of the Soviet Union.

During the following years Trotsky lived in Turkey (1929-33), France
(1933-35), Norway (1935-36), and finally found asylum in Mexico, where he
was invited by the socialist artist Diego Rivera (1886-1957). On the death
of his elder son Lev Sedov in 1934, Trotsky wrote: "Yagoda [head of the
security organs] caused the premature death of one of my daughters, and
drove the other to suicide. He arrested my two sons-in-law who simply
disappeared without a trace. The GPU arrested my younger son, Sergei... and
he then disappeared." In Mexico Trotsky continued his attack on Stalin's
leadership and the 'degeneration' of the political system in the Soviet
Union. Trotsky regarded the dictatorship he and Lenin had established as
justified because it was exercised in the interest of the proletariat, and
so it was quite different from Stalin's dictatorship, because the latter
acted only in its own interests. In the United States Trotskyism enjoyed
support of influential critics and intellectuals, some of whom were
associated with the literary and political journal the Partisan Review.

Trotsky's Literature and Revolution (1924), a collection of articles, was
his most important contribution to literature criticism. He had sympathy for
Russian Futurism and praises Mayakovsky for placing his art at the service
of the Revolution. According to Trotsky, "art, it is said, is not a mirror,
but a hammer: it does not reflect, it shapes. But at present even the
handling of a hammer is taught with the help of a mirror, a sensitive film
which records all the movement... The deeper literature is, and the more it
is imbued with the desire to shape life, the more significantly and
dynamically will it be able to 'picture life..." Trotsky did not believe
that it is possible to create genuine proletarian art at his time. In the
1920s the Bolshevik regime exercised a relatively tolerant cultural policy,
and allowed experimentation, if it did nor criticize the Party or the
Revolution. Trotsky did not reject Freud who was blacklisted in the Soviet
Union. He showed some understanding of the Formalist school in its attempt
to seek criteria for classification and valuation, but emphasized that the
verbal art do not end with the word. "Artistic creation is always a
complicated turning inside out of old forms, under the influence of new
stimuli which originate outside art. In this large sense of the word, art is
a handmaiden. It is not a disembodied element feeding on itself, but a
function of social man indissolubly tied to his life and environment." Later
Formalism became - in the hands of Stalinist censors - a swearword, which
ended all kinds of experiments.

In 1938 Trotsky and his followers founded the Fourth International. During
the Great Purge (1934-38), a wave of terror by which Stalin aimed at
eliminating the opposition, Trotsky was accused of espionage. A supposed
family friend, Jacques van den Dreschd, wounded Trotsky mortally on August
21, 1940 with an ice pick. "The vengeance of history is more terrible than
the vengeance of the most powerful General Secretary." (from Stalin, 1946)

See also: Isaac Babel have depicted Jews in Odessa and the Russian Civil
war his novel Red Army (1926). Vienna after the turn of the century
attracted several intellectuals and writers. Café Central near Palais
Frestel was Trotsky's, Peter Altenbeg's, Robert Musil's, Kraftt-Ebbing's,
and Alfred Adler's favorite place. - Film: The Assassination of Trotsky
(1972), dir. by Joseph Losey, starring Richard Burton, Alain Delon, Romy
Schneider. - For further reading: Three Who Made a Revolution by B.D. Wolfe
(1948); Leon Trotsky by Irving Howe (1978); The Social and Political Thought
of Leon Trotsky by Baruch Knei-Paz (1978); Leon Trotsky: A Biography by
Ronald Segal (1979); Trotsky: A Study in the Dynamics of His Thought by
Ernest Mandel (1979); The Prophet Armed: Trotsky, 1879-1921 by Isaac
Deutscher (1980); The Prophet Unarmed: Trotsky, 1921-29 by Isaac Deutscher
(1980); The Propher Outcast: Trotsky, 1929-1940 by Isaac Deutsher (1980);
Trotsky: Fate of a Revolutionary by Robert S. Wistrich (1982); Trotskyism by
Alex Callinicos (1990); A History of Modern Criticism 1750-1950, vol. 7, by
René Wellek (1991); Trotsky: The Eternal Revolutionary by Antonovich
Volkogorov (1996) - Permanent revolution: Marx and Engels had predicted that
the proletarian revolution would occur first in the industrialized nations
of western Europe. Trotsky argued from his experience in 1905 that Russian
bourgeois was too weak to carry through the coming revolution which would
have to be taken over by the proletariat. The proletariat would then be
deserted by the peasantry, who would join the mass of small owners opposing
the socialist revolution. Since the proletariat in Russia was a minority, it
would not be able to maintain itself in power unless it could rely on the
help from a socialist revolution in the West. The revolution in Russia would
touch off a conflagration in the rest of Europe - revolution in one country
leads to revolution internationally. "This struggle, under conditions of an
overwhelming predominance of capitalist relationships on the world arena,
must inevitably lead to explosions, that is, internally to civil wars and
externally to revolutionary wars. Therein lies the permanent character of
the socialist revolution as such... The socialist revolution begins on the
national arena, it unfolds on the international arena, and is completed on
the world arena." (from The Permanent Revolution, 1930) Later the "domino
theory" - a cornerstone of the U.S. foreign policy in Southeast Asia -
reflected curiously Trotskyist way of thinking: it argued that if the U.S.
did not make a stand in South Vietnam, then the rest of the nations of
Southeast Asia and beyond would accommodate to communist power and
eventually topple one after the other like a stack of dominoes.
Selected works:

a.. NASHA REVOLIUTSIIA, 1906
b.. TERRORIZM I KOMMUNIZM, 1920 - The Defence of Terrorism / Terrorism and
Communism
c.. LITERATURA I REVOLIUTSIIA, 1923 - Literature and Revolution
d.. Lenin, 1924
e.. NOVYI KURS, 1924 - The New Course
f.. MOYA ZHIZN', 1930 (2 vols.) - My Life: An Attempt at an Autobiography
g.. PERMANENTNAIA REVOLIUTSIIA, 1930 - The Permanent Revolution
h.. ISTORIYA RUSSKOY REVOLYUTSII, 1931-33 - The History of the Russian
Revolution (3 vols.)
i.. Diary in Exile, 1935
j.. The Revolution Betrayed, 1937
k.. The Stalin School of Falsification, 1937
l.. Stalin, 1946
m.. The Basic Writings of Trotsky, 1963 (ed. by Irving Howe)
n.. The Age of Permanent Revolution: A Trotsky Anthology, 1964 (ed. by
Isaac Deutscher)
o.. Leon Trotsky on Literature and Art, 1970 (ed. by Paul N. Siegel)
p.. The Trotsky Papers, 1917-1922, 1971 (ed. by Jan M. Meijer)
q..

Riain Y. Barton

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Yes, but you are an immature, uneducated fool, with the intellect of a
7-year-old and the emotional I.Q. of a 9-year-old.

"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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| Patrick Keenan wrote:
|
| > "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:1589561.mnxrBizLk2@FreeBSD...
| >> Ed wrote:
| >>
| >>>> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh? No one knows
| >>>> in what context Harry displayed this universal symbol.
| >>>
| >>> Oh, we know, alright.
| >>
| >> You do?
| >>
| >>> Sounds like his real
| >>>> charge is a thought crime/s. After all, they read his mind and
decided
| >>>> that
| >>>> his showing of a symbol had evil intint.
| >>>
| >>> If this isn't the case, why did he apologize?
| >>>
| >>
| >> Cause he's a LAMER!!
| >
| > Actually, because by birth he is a public figure, and has to consider
the
| > effects of his actions on others.
|

| He's pretty old..I think he's like 20. After he turns 18 and moves out he


| can say and do what he wants.
|

| >> He should have said: I went to a 'private' costume party What I wore is
| >> none
| >> of your FUCKING BUSINESS!
| >
| > Sorry, Tommy, but in that family, *nothing* is private. It goes with
| > being Royalty.
| >
|

| Yeah, but he can do what he wants..Didn't he admit to smoking weed, &
| drinking? I think he did.
| If I were him, I would have 5-differnt girls everynight, and tell MI6 to
| watch & wish..That would be too cool!

Riain Y. Barton

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JAYSUS FECKING CHRIST, just how fecking stupid are you???

You must be an American!

Did you even finish high school?


"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

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| Patrick Keenan wrote:
|
| > "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message

| > news:10534501.av0ZiDiBP9@FreeBSD...
| >> Deborah Sharavi wrote:
| >>
| >>> Tommy wrote:
| >>>>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
| >>>>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
| >>>>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
| >>>>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
| >>> "Gammadion"
| >>>>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
| >>>>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew,
| >>> Mark,
| >>>>Luke & John, in The Bible!
| >>>
| >>> Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
| >>> however, reversed it.
| >>>
| >>

| >> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh?
| >

| > No, they are just not functionally blind, as you appear to be.
|
|
|
| Let me see if I got this right..The Brits declare war on Germany - then

| blame Germany for fighting back? Evil Germans, evil symbols, bla bla bla.


| The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler invaded
| Poland.
|

| We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the bidding
of
| the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.
|

| Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents. If
another
| country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we would be
| called patatrots.
|
| Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the bad guy,
| when they declared war on Germany.
|
| Like they say: The Victors write history.

Norma

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"Riain Y. Barton" <ri...@riain.us> wrote in message
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> JAYSUS FECKING CHRIST, just how fecking stupid are you???
>
> You must be an American!

Whoops! Isn't this where you are presently living? Explain that comment
please. Norma

Kurt Knoll

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Ask the people who lived only halve a mile away from Gleiwitz.

Kurt Knoll.
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Kurt Knoll

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Did you ever hear about the golden rule ?. It is the people who have the
gold who make the rules and I let you guess who that is.

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Kurt Knoll

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That is quite a bit more than you have Riain.

Kurt Knoll.
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Kurt Knoll

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For you they are for the whole world the Jews are the master liars and
have been so for the last 2000 years.

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Kurt Knoll

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He was wearing a uniform of the German Africa corps for you all Germans
are nazi is like saying all Jews are crooks.

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Kurt Knoll

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On of its first action by Ariel Sharon was to wipe out a whole
Palestinian village in 1948 since then we see only the constant
intimidations bay the Israelis to expel all the Palestinians from their
homeland. In the 1967 war against Egypt the Jews did have the Egyptian
prisoners dig the own grave before the shoot them.

Kurt Knoll.
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"Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>
> > "Tommy" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:10534501.av0ZiDiBP9@FreeBSD...
> >> Deborah Sharavi wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tommy wrote:
> >>>>BRITAIN'S BBC RUNS NEWS STORY ON THE POSITIVE HISTORY OF THE SWASTIKA!
> >>>>In response to upheaval over Prince Harry
> >>>>It is a religious symbol of "good!"
> >>>>Hindus still use it to this day; In Christianity, it is called a
> >>> "Gammadion"
> >>>>because it is actually constructed of four interlockings of the Greek
> >>>>Letter Gamma. Each Gamma represents one Book of The Gospel: Matthew,
> >>> Mark,
> >>>>Luke & John, in The Bible!
> >>>
> >>> Use of the swastika is universal and predates history. The Nazis,
> >>> however, reversed it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So, those that condemn Prince Harry are mind readers eh?
> >
> > No, they are just not functionally blind, as you appear to be.
>
>
>
> Let me see if I got this right..

No, you do not have it right. You are wandering away from your own topic.

> The Brits declare war on Germany - then
> blame Germany for fighting back?

Go learn some history, Tommy.

> Evil Germans,

Who invaded other countries, and then engaged in extermination campaigns.

> evil symbols,

Yes, the altered a religious symbol for perverted ends.

> bla bla bla.

What a compelling argument.

> The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler invaded
> Poland.

Definitely you don't have it right. Britain *was* minding its business.
They had a treaty with Poland. It's the business of a country to live up
to its commitments.

I'm sure you know nothing about that sort of thing, being just a parasite
living on the backs of Whites.

> We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the bidding
of
> the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.
>
> Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents. If
another
> country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we would be
> called patatrots.
>
> Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the bad guy,
> when they declared war on Germany.

And your point is mistaken. Perhaps you should learn something about
history, Tommy.

-pk
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
>On of its first action by Ariel Sharon was to wipe out a whole
>Palestinian village in 1948

Name the "Palestinian" village wiped out by Sharon in 1948.

>since then we see only the constant
>intimidations bay the Israelis to expel all the Palestinians from
their
>homeland.

The "Palestinian" homeland is Jordan. No one is intimidating them from
returning there.

>In the 1967 war against Egypt the Jews did have the Egyptian
>prisoners dig the own grave before the shoot them.
>Kurt Knoll.

Typical horseshit from Knoll, who, of course, can't name the
"Palestinian" village which he claims Sharon wiped out in 1948.

Deborah

Norma

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"Deborah Sharavi" <dsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>On of its first action by Ariel Sharon was to wipe out a whole
>>Palestinian village in 1948
>
> Name the "Palestinian" village wiped out by Sharon in 1948.
>
>>since then we see only the constant
>>intimidations bay the Israelis to expel all the Palestinians from
> their
>>homeland.
>
> The "Palestinian" homeland is Jordan. No one is intimidating them from
> returning there.
>
>>In the 1967 war against Egypt the Jews did have the Egyptian
>>prisoners dig the own grave before the shoot them.
>>Kurt Knoll.
>
> Typical horseshit from Knoll, who, of course, can't name the
> "Palestinian" village which he claims Sharon wiped out in 1948.

It's like the big argument I posted to a short while ago, which started out
with Jenin and ended up with trolls who insisted on posting about the
Lebanese battles. People who can't get it right should refrain, but you and
I know that they won't. They can't keep quiet long enough to learn the
truth. Norma

Riain Y. Barton

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`The majority of American are completely clueless when it come to anything
outside their small little narrow "world" -- which usually comprises of
maybe 25 square miles.

Most American High School students cannot even find Washington D.C. on a
map.

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It was called Al-Fantasia, and the village mayor and idiot where one and the
same: GOOFY.

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Kurt Knoll

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If it is about the holocaust you do live in a fantasy.

Kurt Knoll.
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Get real Guy this is the first time I have to agree with you another
question now is how long did it take you to figure this out.

Kurt Knoll.
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jga...@netzero.com

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Is there some reason why you had to use up so much bandwidth to present
us with the whole biolgraphy of Leon Trotsky who everyone in the world
knows was born a Jew? What was the point of that?

jga...@netzero.com

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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> The Poles started the shooting knowing the British would support
them.
>
> Kurt Knoll.<

Why would they do that? Were they looking for Lebensraum in the West?
:)
Hitler was using yet another demand (after he had already taken apart
Czecholsovakia) for Danzig - yet another excuse afer his Sudetenland
gambit had worked a year earlier. Finally Britain got wise, but, 5
years too late.

Nuke Iran before it's too late again!

> =
> "Roger" <roger@.> wrote in message
> news:9jeru0lmqs58m9h4c...@4ax.com...
> > In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> > (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> > someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
> > in message <1846959.Rnk4GnlmMz@FreeBSD>:


> >
> > >Let me see if I got this right..
> >

> > You don't, but then that's pretty much par for the course.


> >
> > >The Brits declare war on Germany
> >

> > ...because Germany invaded Poland, with whom Britain had a treaty
> > requiring Britain to come to its aid.
> >
> > You see, Hitler counted on Chamberlain being as dishonest as he
was,
> > and thought that maybe Britain wouldn't keep its word to Poland.
> >
> > The same mistake you make, assuming everyone is as irrational as
you
> > are.


> >
> > > - then blame Germany for fighting back?
> >

> > Invading Poland is fighting back?


> >
> > >Evil Germans, evil symbols, bla bla bla.
> > >The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler
> invaded
> > >Poland.
> >

> > Except that they were obligated by treaty to respond.
> >
> > You see -- Britain acted honourably, which is why neither you nor
> > Hitler understand their actions.


> >
> > >We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the
> bidding of
> > >the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.
> >

> > No, the hypocrisy we see is you doing your steal-paste-run act,
then
> > complaining that no one will take you seriously.
> >
> > When are you going to post the names of all those xtians you claim
> > were killed by Jews?


> >
> > >Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents.
If
> another
> > >country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we
> would be
> > >called patatrots.
> > >
> > >Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the
bad
> guy,
> > >when they declared war on Germany.
> > >
> > >Like they say: The Victors write history.
> >

> > LOL

jga...@netzero.com

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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> Do not forget the deal the British made with Israel to attack Egypt.
>
> Kurt Knoll.<

Don't forget the hundreds of attacks by EGyptian equipped fedayeen
(Palestinian terrorists)
from Egyptian-controlled Gaza between 1949 and 1956! What happened to
the Armistice
of 1949 that the Egyptians signed in front of Ralph Bunche from the UN?
And don't
forget the former Nazi rocket scientists helping Nasser to try to
produce missiles and
chemical weapons to eventually use on Israel. Israel is not Poland.
It's never going to wait
to be struck first! So Iran should remember that!

> =

> > Let me see if I got this right..The Brits declare war on Germany -
> then
> > blame Germany for fighting back? Evil Germans, evil symbols, bla


bla
> bla.
> > The Brit twits should have minded their own business when Hitler
> invaded
> > Poland.
> >

> > We see a prime example of this hypocrisy today...America does the
> bidding of
> > the NeoCon and attacks Iraq.
> >

> > Well, those Iraq's that are fighting back are called insurgents. If
> another
> > country attacked America, and Americans fought the occupation, we
> would be
> > called patatrots.
> >
> > Point being: How dare the Brit twits make Germany out to be the bad
> guy,
> > when they declared war on Germany.
> >
> > Like they say: The Victors write history.

Kurt Knoll

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:15:53 PM1/20/05
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No the were not looking for lebensraum Poland was a free state about
1916 it also included Silesia and homeland that was German hundrets of
years.The polish corridor was actually established in what was German
land before. The indent of the poles was to drive the Germans then
living of their homeland. You should really read the book by Alfredo
DeZyas a terrible revenge it will tell you how the Germans in this areas
were tortured and misused by the poles.

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Kurt Knoll

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:22:17 PM1/20/05
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What deal Great Britain called of the loan it made to Egypt for the
building of the Anwar Dam. Egypt in return Expropriated the Suez canal.
Great Britain wanted to started the war right away but in the last
minutes came to an agreement with the state of Israel where Israel would
attack first and the British were coming to their help. Can you please
engage your brain before you reply here it looks more you are out on a
fishing expedition to me.

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:48:32 PM1/20/05
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
>What deal Great Britain called of the loan it made to Egypt for the
>building of the Anwar Dam. Egypt in return Expropriated the Suez
canal.
>Great Britain wanted to started the war right away but in the last
>minutes came to an agreement with the state of Israel where Israel
would
>attack first and the British were coming to their help. Can you please
>engage your brain before you reply here it looks more you are out on a
>fishing expedition to me.
>Kurt Knoll.

Once again, Knoll has given a shining example of the Knollian method of
engaging the brain before replying.

1899 - construction of (first) Aswan Dam begun

1902 - construction completed

1907-12 - additional construction

1929-34 - additional construction

1950, January 28 - Egypt blockades Straits of Tiran against Israeli
shipping

1951, September 1 - UNSCR S/2322 calls on Egypt Egypt "terminate the
restrictions on the passage of international commercial shipping and
goods through the Suez Canal wherever bound and to cease all
interference with such shipping beyond that essential to the safety of
shipping in the Canal itself and to the observance of the international
conventions in force."

1954, September 29 - Egypt seizes Israeli freighter Bat Galim, bound
from Eritrea to Haifa, arrests the crew and confiscates cargo
confiscated

1956, July 26 - Egypt nationalizes Suez Canal

1956, October 29 - Israeli troops invade Sinai

1956, October 31 - Military forces of Britain and France attack

1956, December - Troops withdrawn

1959 - November, Water Agreement between Egypt and the Sudan;
construction on the second Aswan Dam (High Dam) begun

Deborah

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:51:24 PM1/20/05
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>>Kurt Knoll wrote:
>>>On of its first action by Ariel Sharon was to wipe out a whole
>>>Palestinian village in 1948

>>Name the "Palestinian" village wiped out by Sharon in 1948.

>>>since then we see only the constant
>>>intimidations bay the Israelis to expel all the Palestinians from
>>>their homeland.

>>The "Palestinian" homeland is Jordan. No one is intimidating them
from
>>returning there.

>>>In the 1967 war against Egypt the Jews did have the Egyptian
>>>prisoners dig the own grave before the shoot them.
>>>Kurt Knoll.

>>Typical horseshit from Knoll, who, of course, can't name the
>>"Palestinian" village which he claims Sharon wiped out in 1948.

Norma wrote:
>It's like the big argument I posted to a short while ago, which
started out
>with Jenin and ended up with trolls who insisted on posting about the
>Lebanese battles. People who can't get it right should refrain, but
you and
>I know that they won't. They can't keep quiet long enough to learn
the
>truth. Norma

Knoll has long since proven that even if he kept quiet, he hasn't much
of a brain to absorb any facts. Of course, I never expected him to bame
the
"Palestinian" village he claimed Sharon wiped out in 1948, since Knoll,
as usual, made it up -- just like he made up his "history" of the Suez
crisis.

Deborah

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Jan 20, 2005, 4:52:49 PM1/20/05
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Riain Y. Barton wrote:
>It was called Al-Fantasia, and the village mayor and idiot where one
and the
>same: GOOFY.

<g> Was the village mayor, perchance, Hajj Sheykh Yerbouti?

Deborah

Kurt Knoll

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Jan 20, 2005, 5:06:25 PM1/20/05
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I did watch a documentary on History channel about it as I can see your
version is coming very close to what I have said so what is you point.

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Jan 20, 2005, 6:13:37 PM1/20/05
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
>I did watch a documentary on History channel about it as I can see
your
>version is coming very close to what I have said so what is you point.
>Kurt Knoll.

The point is the one on top of your head.

Deborah

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:03:05 PM1/20/05
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> No the were not looking for lebensraum Poland was a free state about
> 1916 it also included Silesia and homeland that was German hundrets
of
> years.<

It was Polish land occupied by Germans the same as Israel is Jewish
land occupied by Arabs.

>The polish corridor was actually established in what was German
> land before. <

Polisih land occupied by Germanics.

>The indent of the poles was to drive the Germans then
> living of their homeland. You should really read the book by Alfredo
> DeZyas a terrible revenge it will tell you how the Germans in this
areas
> were tortured and misused by the poles.<

I don't believe in Aryan-Arab bullshit stories. They are both lying
occupiers of other people's lands but call it their own. They do belong
together, with Arabs in Nazi work camps.

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Jan 20, 2005, 9:37:09 PM1/20/05
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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> What deal Great Britain called of the loan it made to Egypt for the
> building of the Anwar Dam.<

Egypt was already buying HUGE quantities of arms from the USSR in 1955.
Why didin't
it have the money to pay loans? Oh, it was getting ready to try to
destroy Israel again, an d needed the money for arms. DEstroying Israel
was more important than paying back loans.

> Egypt in return Expropriated the Suez canal.
> Great Britain wanted to started the war right away but in the last
> minutes came to an agreement with the state of Israel where Israel
would
> attack first and the British were coming to their help. <

So? From in the seven years from 1949 on, in addition to arming and
sending fedayeen to attack ISrael in some 11,873 incidents of sabotage
(and murder), it also had closed the Suez Canal to Israeli shipping not
only in contravention to the 1949 Armistice, but also in contravention
of the Constantinople Convention of 1888 which reads:

"The Suez Maritime canal shall always be free and open, in time of war
as in time of peace, to every vessel of commerce or war without
distinctions of flags...The Canal shall never be subjected to the
exercise of the right of blockade." The UN Security COuncil had passed
a resolution against Egypt when it first blockaded the Canal against
Israel in 1951. The resolution was reaffirmed in 1954 calling on Egypt
"to terminate the restrictios on the passage of international
commercial shipping and goods through the Suez Canal wherever found,
and to cease all interference with such shipping," Israel is always
criticized for the GA resolutions it ignores put no mention is ever
made about all the international law the Arabs have ignored. Anyhow,
Israel had good reasons of its own to preempt Egypt as Egypt had
violated the 1949 Armistice provisions in every detail. But then, as
Saddam Hussein showed in more recent times, Arab violations of
ceasefires is about as common as Nazi violations were in earlier times.


>Can you please
> engage your brain before you reply here it looks more you are out on
a
> fishing expedition to me.<

Can you please shut your lying Nazi mouth beforehand?

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