Andy Rooney LIED about Holocaust experience - more Kosovo propaganda.
dsha...@aol.com
lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
David Martin recently posted an article (below) which pointed out the
flaws in Rooney's story. I responded to Martin's article (also below).
In respone Martin's and my postings, someone forged Martin's screen name
and posted about 40 jibberish articles. One forged posting was posted
under my screen name. Clearly, this is an effort to thwart discussion
of Rooney's OBVIOUS lie about the Holocaust.
The covert forgery actions are almost as revealing as Rooney's lie itself.
CBS should either explain Andy Rooney's comments in FULL detail, or
fire Rooney for intentionally misleading the public.
--- Dave Sharp
*************
Re: Rooney War Drums
Author: dave_sharp673 <dave_s...@my-dejanews.com> (Dave Sharp)
Date: 1999/04/03
Forum: alt.revisionism
In article <37019F...@erols.com>,
dcd...@erols.com wrote:
> Rooney Beats War Drums
>
> It felt like the early days of the Vietnam War again listening to one
> of the high-profile members of the American press whip up war fever with
> one more reminder of how evil our enemies had been in World War II.
> This time it was old Stars and Stripes propagandist, Andy Rooney, on the
> March 28th, 1999, edition of 60 Minutes vigorously defending our
> indefensible bombing-for-peace policy in Yugoslavia.
>
> As a young man he had listened to the leaders of the America First
> Committee, he told us, who argued that the war in Europe was not our war
> and that we should stay out of it, and he was convinced. But later, he
> said, near the end of the war as his outfit, for which he worked as a
> military reporter, liberated a concentration camp holding several
> hundred Jews he was able to see how wrong he had been. Before they
> could free the prisoners, said Rooney, the German guards doused the
> buildings with gasoline and burned them all alive. Then (bear with me
> because I am working from memory here) he said he got to see Birkenau,
> and we all know what happened there.
>
> "I wouldn't have said this a few weeks ago," he then intoned, "but we
> should trust Bill Clinton on this one."
>
> But is 60 Minutes or anyone who works for them any more trustworthy
> than a man noted almost as much for his dishonesty as for his lechery?
> Not that his little homily has anything whatsoever to do with what we
> are now doing in alliance with Germany to our former allies against
> Germany in Serbia, but I really do wonder if Rooney is telling us the
> truth about the fiery atrocity he would have us believe he virtually
> witnessed. It's interesting that he did not name the place. And if he
> is lying about World War II atrocities in this case, it would not be the
> first time that anyone on 60 Minutes did it. Please check out the
> following letter to Morley Safer and related materials at
> http://www.ukar.org/safer03.shtml.
>
> So here are the questions I would like to direct to Andy Rooney:
>
> 1. Exactly when and where did the prisoner murder incident that you
> describe take place?
Don't expect an answer. Rooney's entire story is too absurd to be taken
seriously. But CBS gave themselves plenty of wiggle room by assigning
the task of emotional manipulation to resident 60 Minutes clown
Andy Rooney. If too many people of conscience complain about Rooney's
propaganda campaign, CBS can always say, "Andy Rooney is a humorist
and his comments are not intended to be taken seriously."
The truth is Andy Rooney is pushing NATO's war in Kosovo because he is
a paid propagandist. Clearly, he's NOT a journalist. He's not even a
particularly funny humorist. The cranky, but lovable grandfatherly
persona he portrays on TV is merely a facade. He makes a living peddling
death.
There is a warm spot in hell for merchants of war and the destruction
it reaps.
> 2. Did you write about it at the time for Stars and Stripes? Did
> anyone else for any other newspapers? Could you provide us the
> references?
Rooney will never answer this question because his story is too
ridiculous to explain. If Rooney had witnessed something of this
magnitude, he would NOT be the resident clown on 60 Minutes. He'd
be covering the hard news stories.
> 3. Who, exactly, were the perpetrators? What happened to them? Was
> there a trial? Can you refer us to the trial record?
>
> Frankly, the story does not ring true. Germans, defeated at this
> point, one would not think would go out of their way to antagonize
> those who are going to be holding their fate in their hands. We are
> being asked to believe that in this instance their pure evil simply
> overrode their most elementary sense of self-preservation.
Rooney's not-so-subtle effort to defend the official Holocaust story
is painfully lame. There is no way in hell he will ever defend his
reference to the Holocaust because it will raise too many questions
about that taboo topic. If he answers your question honestly, he
will have to explain why he made the incident up. People would then
ask, "Why is a prominent media personality lying about the Holocaust?"
His primary mission, after all, was to push the public's emotional
buttons--- get them worked into a frenzy by comparing the actions of
the Serbs to those of the Nazis.
You are suggesting that Rooney use rational thought and logic to
make his point. But he's not paid to do that, nor is he capable of it.
--- Dave Sharp
> I am directing my questions to Rooney at http://www.cbs.com ,
> and I invite the readers of this posting to do so as well. This is a
> story that I think we should get to the bottom of.
>
> p.s. The concentration camp at Birkenau is in Poland, which was in
> the Soviet area of conquest. If Rooney ever went there it would likely
> have been many years later.
> --
>
> DC Dave news:alt.thebird
> column & poetry:
> http://thebird.org/host/dcdave
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j...@jahoopa.com
dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
>
> MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
>
> THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
>
> MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
>
The KLA/Bosnians/etc. supported the Nazis; the Serbs fought against
them. Yes, I see why you're so upset about Mr. Rooney. It must be
tough for you, living in a world where Nazis are vilified.
Jeffrey G. Brown
>On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
>lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
>on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
>of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
>
>MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
And your evidence for this claim is... what, exactly?
(Here's a hint, peabrain: PRINTING AN ASSERTION IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE
IT TRUE.)
JGB
=====================================================================
Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
"What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
David Martin
>
> dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> >
> > MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> >
> > THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> >
> > MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> >
>
> them. Yes, I see why you're so upset about Mr. Rooney. It must be
> tough for you, living in a world where Nazis are vilified.
And up until fairly recently in the American press Albanians were
vilified because the country of Albania was the most hardline communist
country in Europe--allied to China under Mao Tse Tung--while Yugoslavia
got very good press in America because they stood up to the Russian
communists and did not toe either the Moscow or the Peking party line.
The one consistent thread is that however our government wants a country
to be portrayed, our news media seems only too willing to oblige. That
certainly seems to be what Andy Rooney was up to with his utterly
irrational pro-war diatribe. Summed up, what he said was, "I was wrong
to be opposed to U.S. involvement in the big war in Europe, because I
later learned that the Nazis were real monsters. Our leaders were right
all along. I should have trusted them then and you should trust them
now, even a known, world-class liar like Bill Clinton."
In making his case that the Nazis were monsters, Rooney, it struck me,
might have gone a bit overboard, not contenting himself with the usual
gas-chamber stories but telling an atrocity tale from claimed first-hand
experience about the burning to death of some 300 Jewish concentration
camp inmates just hours before they were to be rescued by American
soldiers. Noting how conveniently Rooney trotted out the story to whip
up war fever, it struck me that he was acting as a pure propagandist in
a quite time-honored way. And if he is nothing but a naked war
propagandist now, might he not have been acting in that capacity all
along? After all, he did work for the U.S. military newspaper, Stars
and Stripes. Just because the Nazis weren't very nice people doesn't
mean that people ought to have a license to vilify them at their
pleasure by fabricating atrocity stories.
Rooney's story smacks of fabrication, and I mean to get to the bottom of
it.
Dustin Currie
dsha...@aol.com wrote in message <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
>lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
>on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
>of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
>
>MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
>
>THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
>OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
and your evidence for this statement is where? c'mon.
>
>MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
>THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
>
No, he's just an idiot.
>David Martin recently posted an article (below) which pointed out the
>flaws in Rooney's story. I responded to Martin's article (also below).
>In respone Martin's and my postings, someone forged Martin's screen name
>and posted about 40 jibberish articles. One forged posting was posted
>under my screen name. Clearly, this is an effort to thwart discussion
>of Rooney's OBVIOUS lie about the Holocaust.
>
>The covert forgery actions are almost as revealing as Rooney's lie itself.
>
Please explain (as opposed to merely claim) why this is a lie.
>CBS should either explain Andy Rooney's comments in FULL detail, or
>fire Rooney for intentionally misleading the public.
Why are you taking Andy Rooney's words seriously anyway. I learned a long
time ago that he is not worth my time.
>>but I really do wonder if Rooney is telling us the
>> truth about the fiery atrocity he would have us believe he virtually
>> witnessed. It's interesting that he did not name the place. And if he
>> is lying about World War II atrocities in this case, it would not be the
>> first time that anyone on 60 Minutes did it.
This poster CLEARLY did not claim Rooney lied. He is merely questioning
him.
>The truth is Andy Rooney is pushing NATO's war in Kosovo because he is
>a paid propagandist.
No evidence here!
>Clearly, he's NOT a journalist.
So he must then be a paid propagandist?
Nope.
>He's not even a particularly funny humorist.
agreed.
>The cranky, but lovable grandfatherly
>persona he portrays on TV is merely a facade. He makes a living peddling
>death.
Uhhh, sure.
Chuck Ferree
"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> In article <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
CF:> I watched that show as I usually do, and get a kick out of Rooney's
rants.
> Rooney's rants are usually humorous, this time he was serious. But he did
> not state that he had personally witnessed the mass murder of scores of
> Jews by a German Guard at the the end of WW-II. Rooney didn't say anything
> like that.........LIE ONE>
Chuck Ferree
>
>
> >
> >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
>
dsha...@aol.com
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> In article <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> >
> >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
>
>
> (Here's a hint, peabrain: PRINTING AN ASSERTION IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE
> IT TRUE.)
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
I have noticed in my research of the Holocaust that there wee few
eye witnesses to Nazi murders of Jews. Yet Mr. Rooney would
have the public believe that he--a journalist mind you--witnessed
a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews. Rooney told his story in such
a matter of fact style: "By the way, I saw a Nazi guard murder a
bunch of Jews at the end of WWII." In effect, that is his story.
It is simply not believable.
Mr. Rooney has been asked to provide evidence to support his wild
claim, but he has not. Instead, government thugs forged David Martin's
and my screen names in an effort to distract attention from discussion
of Rooney's miscalculation.
The burden of proof is Andy Rooney's not mine or David Martin's.
Rooney made the claim, not us. Rooney has been given ample opportunity
to respond. He has not.
If he provides evidence of his claim, I will apologize. Until then,
my position remains unchanged. ANDY ROONEY IS A LIAR AND SHOULD BE
FIRED FROM CBS.
--- Dave Sharp
dsha...@aol.com
j...@jahoopa.com wrote:
>
>
> dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> >
> > MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> >
> > THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> >
> > MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> >
>
> them. Yes, I see why you're so upset about Mr. Rooney. It must be
> tough for you, living in a world where Nazis are vilified.
>
Mr. JQP --- You seem to be writing from both sides of your pen.
Andy Rooney supports the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) and believes the
Serbs are the enemy, as does President Clinton. Yet you suggest
the Serbs are the good guys because they fought the Nazis
and the KLA are the bad guys because they supported the Nazis.
Are you defending Rooney? Which side are you on?
To clarify things, this thread is NOT about the Holocaust per se. It's
about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
Andy Rooney exploited the Holocaust--through his lie--to rally public
support behind NATO's barbaric attack of Kosovo.
Why would Rooney need to lie in order to garner support for a just cause?
And why would Rooney lie about the Holocaust of all things?
(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
present it. Otherwise, don't pollute this thread with your lightweight
comments.
--- Dave Sharp
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
deaths of scores of Jews. Since you're now challenging what Rooney
actually said rather than defending his position, maybe you should
provide a transcript of Rooney's words. --- Dave Sharp
In article <37095A11...@rio.com>,
chu...@rio.com wrote:
> Someone is a liar...but who?
>
> "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
>
> > In article <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
>
> CF:> I watched that show as I usually do, and get a kick out of Rooney's
> rants.
>
> > Rooney's rants are usually humorous, this time he was serious. But he did
> > not state that he had personally witnessed the mass murder of scores of
> > Jews by a German Guard at the the end of WW-II. Rooney didn't say anything
> > like that.........LIE ONE>
>
> Chuck Ferree
>
> >
>
> >
> > >
> > >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> >
> > And your evidence for this claim is... what, exactly?
> >
> > (Here's a hint, peabrain: PRINTING AN ASSERTION IN CAPITALS DOES NOT MAKE
> > IT TRUE.)
> >
> > JGB
> >
> > =====================================================================
> > Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> > "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
>
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Jeffrey G. Brown
>Rooney told his story in such
>a matter of fact style: "By the way, I saw a Nazi guard murder a
>bunch of Jews at the end of WWII." In effect, that is his story.
>It is simply not believable.
What you believe is not at issue here. You made an assertion that Andy
Rooney lied. Back it up, coward.
>Mr. Rooney has been asked to provide evidence to support his wild
>claim, but he has not. Instead, government thugs forged David Martin's
>and my screen names in an effort to distract attention from discussion
>of Rooney's miscalculation.
Publish your evidence that the spam originated from government employees.
You made the claim. Back it up, coward.
>The burden of proof is Andy Rooney's not mine or David Martin's.
>Rooney made the claim, not us.
Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that "ANDY ROONEY IS A LIAR". Back it up, coward.
> [...deletia...]
>ANDY ROONEY IS A LIAR AND SHOULD BE FIRED FROM CBS.
PRINTING IT IN ALL CAPS PROVES NOTHING.
You made the claim. Back it up, coward.
Jeffrey G. Brown
>Just because the Nazis weren't very nice people doesn't
>mean that people ought to have a license to vilify them at their
>pleasure by fabricating atrocity stories.
And we're _still_ waiting for your evidence that any "fabricating" has
been performed -- at least, by anyone other than yourself...
>Rooney's story smacks of fabrication, and I mean to get to the bottom of
>it.
You're going to have to do better than the hand-waving mumbles that you've
produced thus far. How about some facts?
Didn't think so...
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Since you're now challenging what Rooney
>actually said rather than defending his position, maybe you should
>provide a transcript of Rooney's words.
I've got a better idea, Sharp: Why don't you provide some facts that
support your contention that Rooney lied? Just repeating it over and over
proves nothing about Mr. Rooney's veracity. It sure tells us something
about your standards, though...
Jeffrey G. Brown
>It's
>about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
>made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
There's that claim again. Back it up with facts, coward.
> [...deletia...]
>(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
Prove it. Provide that facts that demonstrate irrefutably that Rooney
lied, coward.
>If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
>present it.
Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it up
with facts -- NOW, coward.
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
A lie is proved by demonstrating lack of truth. I have done that.
To prove something is true, facts must be presented. Rooney needs
to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't do that
because his story is a lie. End of story. --- Dave Sharp
dsha...@aol.com
an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
-- Dave Sharp
In article <7ec04e$a7v$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
"Dustin Currie" <dcu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> dsha...@aol.com wrote in message <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> >
> >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> >
> >THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> >OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
>
> and your evidence for this statement is where? c'mon.
>
> >
> >MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> >THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> >
>
> No, he's just an idiot.
>
> >David Martin recently posted an article (below) which pointed out the
> >flaws in Rooney's story. I responded to Martin's article (also below).
> >In respone Martin's and my postings, someone forged Martin's screen name
> >and posted about 40 jibberish articles. One forged posting was posted
> >under my screen name. Clearly, this is an effort to thwart discussion
> >of Rooney's OBVIOUS lie about the Holocaust.
> >
> >The covert forgery actions are almost as revealing as Rooney's lie itself.
> >
> Please explain (as opposed to merely claim) why this is a lie.
>
> >CBS should either explain Andy Rooney's comments in FULL detail, or
> >fire Rooney for intentionally misleading the public.
>
> Why are you taking Andy Rooney's words seriously anyway. I learned a long
> time ago that he is not worth my time.
>
> >>but I really do wonder if Rooney is telling us the
> >> truth about the fiery atrocity he would have us believe he virtually
> >> witnessed. It's interesting that he did not name the place. And if he
> >> is lying about World War II atrocities in this case, it would not be the
> >> first time that anyone on 60 Minutes did it.
>
> This poster CLEARLY did not claim Rooney lied. He is merely questioning
> him.
>
> >The truth is Andy Rooney is pushing NATO's war in Kosovo because he is
> >a paid propagandist.
>
> No evidence here!
>
> >Clearly, he's NOT a journalist.
>
> So he must then be a paid propagandist?
> Nope.
>
> >He's not even a particularly funny humorist.
>
> agreed.
>
> >The cranky, but lovable grandfatherly
> >persona he portrays on TV is merely a facade. He makes a living peddling
> >death.
>
> Uhhh, sure.
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
He's half-way tolerable when he sticks to his goofy brand of comedy,
but he exposes his ignorance time and time again when he talks about
politics. A few years back, I heard him being interviewed on a talk
radio program. Rooney began ranting and raving about conspiracy
theories and militia groups. Then some guy phoned in and basically
agreed with Rooney but made the mistake of mentioning Randy Weaver's
name. Immediately, Rooney took the guy to task, apparently blind
to the fact that the guy was on HIS side. "You people keep calling
in pushing your wild conspiracy theories," Rooney said. "I don't have
any interest in hearing conspiracy theories about Randy Weaver. I don't
know about Randy Weaver and I don't want to know about Randy Weaver."
"But, but," the guy replied as Rooney cut him off.
Andy Rooney is an idiot. -- Dave Sharp
In article <370973...@erols.com>,
dcd...@erols.com wrote:
> j...@jahoopa.com wrote:
> >
> > dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > > lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > > on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > > of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> > >
> > > MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> > >
> > > THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > > OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> > >
> > > MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > > THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> > >
> >
> > The KLA/Bosnians/etc. supported the Nazis; the Serbs fought against
> > them. Yes, I see why you're so upset about Mr. Rooney. It must be
> > tough for you, living in a world where Nazis are vilified.
>
> And up until fairly recently in the American press Albanians were
> vilified because the country of Albania was the most hardline communist
> country in Europe--allied to China under Mao Tse Tung--while Yugoslavia
> got very good press in America because they stood up to the Russian
> communists and did not toe either the Moscow or the Peking party line.
> The one consistent thread is that however our government wants a country
> to be portrayed, our news media seems only too willing to oblige. That
> certainly seems to be what Andy Rooney was up to with his utterly
> irrational pro-war diatribe. Summed up, what he said was, "I was wrong
> to be opposed to U.S. involvement in the big war in Europe, because I
> later learned that the Nazis were real monsters. Our leaders were right
> all along. I should have trusted them then and you should trust them
> now, even a known, world-class liar like Bill Clinton."
>
> In making his case that the Nazis were monsters, Rooney, it struck me,
> might have gone a bit overboard, not contenting himself with the usual
> gas-chamber stories but telling an atrocity tale from claimed first-hand
> experience about the burning to death of some 300 Jewish concentration
> camp inmates just hours before they were to be rescued by American
> soldiers. Noting how conveniently Rooney trotted out the story to whip
> up war fever, it struck me that he was acting as a pure propagandist in
> a quite time-honored way. And if he is nothing but a naked war
> propagandist now, might he not have been acting in that capacity all
> along? After all, he did work for the U.S. military newspaper, Stars
> and Stripes. Just because the Nazis weren't very nice people doesn't
> mean that people ought to have a license to vilify them at their
> pleasure by fabricating atrocity stories.
>
> Rooney's story smacks of fabrication, and I mean to get to the bottom of
> it.
Jeffrey G. Brown
>It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
>evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
>in fact a liar.
It's time for Dave Sharp to either provide evidence to prove that Rooney's
story is false, or concede that he is, himself, full of shit.
Larry Smith
>
> So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke in
> an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
> television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
> evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
> -- Dave Sharp
Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
I tried to find some semblance of authority in your charges against
Rooney, but all you do is make sweeping generalizations without
rational or authoritative support. Your preconceived notions are at
work here. Even Ray Heizer, who is himself one of the old curmudgeons
of this newsgroup with a bent for going off on hysterical tangents,
has exploded your mythology with credible evidence and by setting the
record straight. Why don't you just admit you're a hater, an
anti-Semite, who could not accept holocaust even by having your nose
rubbed in the piles of decaying corpses.
>
> In article <7ec04e$a7v$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> "Dustin Currie" <dcu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > dsha...@aol.com wrote in message <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> > >
> > >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> > >
> > >THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > >OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
Sharp was there, but Rooney wasn't. Therefore, Sharp is believable;
Rooney is not. Sharp is a time-traveler; Rooney is a fraud. LOL!
> >
> > and your evidence for this statement is where? c'mon.
> >
> > >
> > >MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > >THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
Nice all-cap rant with no authority to buttress it. At least you
could quote us something from one of your revisionist treatises.
> > >
> >
> > No, he's just an idiot.
> >
> > >David Martin recently posted an article (below) which pointed out the
> > >flaws in Rooney's story. I responded to Martin's article (also below).
> > >In respone Martin's and my postings, someone forged Martin's screen name
> > >and posted about 40 jibberish articles.
This, therefore, strengthens Sharp's and Martin's tortured assortment
of twitches and jerks. Since someone anonymously forged posts the
truth according to Martin and Sharp is being suppressed. Call out the
guards to suppress this horrendous villainy! LOL! Fire the liars!
Reconvene a jury of goose-steppers and stamp out the heresies!
One forged posting was posted
> > >under my screen name. Clearly, this is an effort to thwart discussion
> > >of Rooney's OBVIOUS lie about the Holocaust.
And screaming makes Rooney's wartime experiences even less plausible,
nicht wahr, Herr Sharp?
> > >
> > >The covert forgery actions are almost as revealing as Rooney's lie itself.
No connection. But if you say so. It may help you feel better.
> > >
> > Please explain (as opposed to merely claim) why this is a lie.
> >
> > >CBS should either explain Andy Rooney's comments in FULL detail, or
> > >fire Rooney for intentionally misleading the public.
Keep it up. The twists and turns are amusing.
> >
> > Why are you taking Andy Rooney's words seriously anyway. I learned a long
> > time ago that he is not worth my time.
Yet you spend an inordinate amount of time with him. I've enjoyed
watching you in convulsions. Get out your guns.
> >
> > >>but I really do wonder if Rooney is telling us the
> > >> truth about the fiery atrocity he would have us believe he virtually
> > >> witnessed. It's interesting that he did not name the place. And if he
> > >> is lying about World War II atrocities in this case, it would not be the
> > >> first time that anyone on 60 Minutes did it.
> >
> > This poster CLEARLY did not claim Rooney lied. He is merely questioning
> > him.
> >
> > >The truth is Andy Rooney is pushing NATO's war in Kosovo because he is
> > >a paid propagandist.
He's a paid CBS journalist. Does that count?
> >
> > No evidence here!
> >
> > >Clearly, he's NOT a journalist.
Ok. So now you've revoked his license because he contradicts your
take on ethnic atrocities. Go ahead and admit your stance is the
conscience of the unconscionable, that you are like the Pharisees who
crossed the road to avoid walking by the battered Jew lying on the
ground dying.
> >
> > So he must then be a paid propagandist?
> > Nope.
> >
> > >He's not even a particularly funny humorist.
> >
> > agreed.
But he *is* funny. He has an acerbic wit which doesn't reach you.
What is your favorite humor? Gloating, poking fun at people suffering
from misfortune?
> >
> > >The cranky, but lovable grandfatherly
> > >persona he portrays on TV is merely a facade. He makes a living peddling
> > >death.
> >
> > Uhhh, sure.
> >
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>A lie is proved by demonstrating lack of truth.
False. But, thanks for lying in public.
> [...deletia...]
>To prove something is true, facts must be presented.
Yup. Now prove to us that your claim that Rooney lied is true. Present
some facts.
>Rooney needs
>to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't do that
>because his story is a lie.
Sharp needs to provide evidence to clear himself of the charge of lying
about Andy Rooney. But, obviously, he can't do that because his assertion
is itself a lie -- by his own logic. End of story.
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>Andy Rooney is not only a propagandist, he is an incredibly STUPID one.
>He's half-way tolerable when he sticks to his goofy brand of comedy,
>but he exposes his ignorance time and time again when he talks about
>politics. A few years back, I heard him being interviewed on a talk
>radio program. Rooney began ranting and raving about conspiracy
>theories and militia groups. Then some guy phoned in and basically
>agreed with Rooney but made the mistake of mentioning Randy Weaver's
>name. Immediately, Rooney took the guy to task, apparently blind
>to the fact that the guy was on HIS side. "You people keep calling
>in pushing your wild conspiracy theories," Rooney said. "I don't have
>any interest in hearing conspiracy theories about Randy Weaver. I don't
>know about Randy Weaver and I don't want to know about Randy Weaver."
>
>"But, but," the guy replied as Rooney cut him off.
Sharp has been good enough to admit that "To prove something is true,
facts must be presented." I now charge Dave Sharp with lying -- he made up
this entire story about Rooney's appearance on "a talk radio program".
Sharp needs to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't
do that because his story is a lie. End of story.
Does it feel good to be hoist on your own petard, coward?
Mr. Horrible
Mr. H
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Andy Rooney is not only a propagandist, he is an incredibly STUPID one.
> He's half-way tolerable when he sticks to his goofy brand of comedy,
> but he exposes his ignorance time and time again when he talks about
> politics. A few years back, I heard him being interviewed on a talk
> radio program. Rooney began ranting and raving about conspiracy
> theories and militia groups. Then some guy phoned in and basically
> agreed with Rooney but made the mistake of mentioning Randy Weaver's
> name. Immediately, Rooney took the guy to task, apparently blind
> to the fact that the guy was on HIS side. "You people keep calling
> in pushing your wild conspiracy theories," Rooney said. "I don't have
> any interest in hearing conspiracy theories about Randy Weaver. I don't
> know about Randy Weaver and I don't want to know about Randy Weaver."
>
> "But, but," the guy replied as Rooney cut him off.
>
> Andy Rooney is an idiot. -- Dave Sharp
>
> In article <370973...@erols.com>,
> dcd...@erols.com wrote:
> > j...@jahoopa.com wrote:
> > >
> > > dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > > > lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > > > on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > > > of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> > > >
> > > > MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> > > >
> > > > THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > > > OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> > > >
> > > > MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > > > THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> > > >
> > >
Persons Of Conscience
that this new thread has been opened. Therefore, I indend to use this new
thread to answer J. Brown's comments about institutinalized Talmudic lying.
alt.revisionism,alt.history,alt.thebird,alt.journalism
In article <jeff_brown-04...@10.0.0.2>,
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> In article <37079467...@Public-Action.com>, Persons Of Conscience
> <PersonsOf...@Public-Action.com> wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey G. Brown wrote:
> >>
>
> >The US government is run by the Talmudists (Jews).
>
> Good Lord, another looney-tunes anti-Semite. Just what this newsgroup needed...
>
HERE IS THE QUOTE UNDER DISCUSSION:
"And he who desires that none of his vows made during
the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and
declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future
shall be null.' HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID, PROVIDING
THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. "
(Caps in original.) A footnote describes the "Kol Nidre,"
a formal dispensation of vows prior to the Evening
Service of the Day of Atonement. (Nedarim, 23a;
pg. 68 of Soncino Press 1936 edition.)
>
NOW MR. BROWN WANTS US TO IGNORE THE ABOVE, AND SAYS THE KOL NIDRE APPLIES
ONLY TO VOWS MADE TO GOD.
> The Kol Nidre only applies to vows made to God,
> and is not applicable to
> those made to other humans.
So the Talmud says its OK to lie to God when making promises, but not OK to
lie to man?
Fascinating! The Talmudists think God is a life-form even lower than
Gentiles! This is a "religion"? You gotta be kidding!
Note that in Mr. Brown's interpretation of this quote, the Talmudic scholars
have put themselves above God, deciding what incantations will neutralize His
rage when He is lied to....
S'truth, Mr. Brown, that's chutzpah.
>From the Talmud (the Mishnah in Yoma 85b):
>
> For transgressions as between man and the omnipresent the Day of
> Atonement procures atonement, but for transgressions as between man
> and his fellow the Day of Atonement does not procure any atonement,
> until he has pacified his fellow.
MR. BROWN HAS ALSO CHANGED THE SUBJECT FROM FUTURE TO PAST: The passage
above refers to the Day of Atonement cleansing *past* offenses. But we are
talking about the Kol Nidre sanctifying the breaking of *future* vows. The
Kol Nidre is a pre-emptive stroke. Again:
"And he who desires that none of his vows made during
the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and
declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future
shall be null.' HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID, PROVIDING
THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. "
(Caps in original.) A footnote describes the "Kol Nidre,"
a formal dispensation of vows prior to the Evening
Service of the Day of Atonement. (Nedarim, 23a;
pg. 68 of Soncino Press 1936 edition.)
NOW, LOOK, AT WHAT WE HAVE BELOW. MR. BROWN offers us a quote from The New
Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, Seventh Edition, which tells us that the Kol
Nidre is a
>formula for the annulment of vows,
>recited on the eve of the Day of Atonement...
>
>..it annuls all vows and oaths made during the preceding year
THE NEW STANDARD JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA itself has turned the Kol Nidre around
180 degrees. Note the Encyclopedia says the Kol Nidre applies to vows made
during the *preceding* year ...but the Talmud says it applies to vows that
will be made in the *upcoming* year...
ONE MORE TIME:
"And he who desires that none of his vows made during
the year shall be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and
declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future
shall be null.' HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID, PROVIDING
THAT HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. "
(Caps in original.) A footnote describes the "Kol Nidre,"
a formal dispensation of vows prior to the Evening
Service of the Day of Atonement. (Nedarim, 23a;
pg. 68 of Soncino Press 1936 edition.)
Now let's get some more of that Jewish encyclopedia quote:
>formula for the annulment of vows,
>recited on the eve of the Day of Atonement...
>
>..it annuls all vows and oaths made during the preceding year
> and incumbent solely on the vower, i.e., excluding vows
> affecting another person.
HERE WE ARE TOLD THE KOL NIDRE APPLIES ONLY TO VOWS MADE BY THE VOWER TO---HIMSELF!
Think about this: What kind of a vow applies only to the vower? "I vow I will
not eat candy for breakfast," says Jeffrey Brown to himself. But Mr. Brown
knows his sweet tooth. He knows he will eat candy for breakfast. So on the
Day of Atonement services he says a special prayer so that, during the
upcoming year, when he eats candy for breakfast, Mr. Brown will forgive
himself for eating candy for breakfast.
Are we believing this, folks?
Thanks, Mr. Brown, for showing us in graphic terms how lying is
institutionalized in Talmudic culture. The Jewish encyclopedia quote you
offered us was the cherry on the whipped cream.
Mr. Brown is jigging a merry jig: The Kol Nidre applies only to God. Jig,
jig. The Kol Nidre applies only to Man. Jig jig. The future is past, the
past is future. Jig, jig, jig.
But what has all this to do with Rooney War Drums? Why can't Rooney or anyone
else give us specifics on the charges Rooney made on 60 Minutes on March 28?
Mr. Brown's disingenuous defense of Talmudic institutionalized lying furthers
our understanding of the Talmudic mind-set. It illustrates the level of lying
practiced by organized Jewry and their lackeys. And this lying is clearly
demonstrated on the subject of "Jewish suffering."
A few weeks ago researcher ASMarques found a number of photos on WWW pages, on
display simultaneously on March 14, 1999. Each is exhibited as photographic
evidence of the German genocide of the Jews during World War II. [READERS,
NOTE: This photo is not being cited as evidence of gas chambers.] The three
are identical, except for the quality of the resolution. But there are
several problems:
* The incident tool place in the Soviet Union, says author Yitzhak Arad in
his book The Pictorial History of the Holocaust (Macmillan Publishing
Company, NY, 1990, p.185). You can see Yitzhak Arad's copy of photo, "A mass
execution of Jews in Nazi occupied Soviet Union," which, at about noon on
March 14, 1999 was to be found at
http://modb.oce.ulg.ac.be/schmitz/Holocaust/eg3.html
Nizkor is displaying the same photo. But according to Nizkor, this mass
execution of Jews occurred in:
* Poland. This Nizkor URL was up and running at about noon on March 14,
1999, was to be found at:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/poland/images/mass execution-01.jpg
Oh, but wait, Nizkor also says the execution took place in:
* Lithuanian. This Nizkor URL was up and running at about noon on March 14,
1999 and was to be found at:
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/places/lithuania/images/mass
execution-01.jpg
I don't know if this a real photo of an incident from WWII, nor who the
victims were, nor why some of the perpetrators are wearing uniforms while
others are wearing business attire.
Maybe the photo was shot at some Hollywood B grade studio lot.
BTW, I have saved each URL on my hard drive . . .
http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/FIFS/Holoshlock/Execution_in_Lithuania/
mssxctn.html
===
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
Have you seen the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum?
See what they did to the mothers and children--
http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter
PS. If you believe Israeli agents Burger, Albright, Cohen and the "US"
government give a damn about atrocities, visit the Waco Holocaust Electronic
Museum. Six years after the event, NOT ONE of the murderers of the Branch
Davidians has been indicted and brought to trial.
Would the murderers still be free if the Branch Davidians were a JEWISH
religious community? Would we be bombing the Serbs if they were JEWISH?
Would we be starving Iraqi children if they were JEWISH children?
The US government is run by the Talmudists (Jews). According to the Talmud,
non-Jews are sub-human and can be slaughtered like cattle. According to the Talmud:
* The intent to kill a non-Jew is so laudable that even if a Jew is accidently
killed in an attempt to kill a non-Jew, the murderous Jew suffers no liability.
* But if a Jew intends to kill another Jew and does so, he is liable.
(Babylonian Talmud, Soncino Edition, London, 1935. Sanhedrin 78b 79a; pg. 529-30.)
* If a Jew murders a Gentile, the Jew suffers no death penalty. (Sanhedrin
57a., pg. 388)
* if a Gentile strikes a Jew in the jaw, the Gentile, having striken the
"Divine Presence" (that is, a Jew) suffers the death penalty.
(Sanhedrin 58b, pg.388).
And what does the Talmud say about the obligation to tell the truth? Why, the
Talmud sanctifies and institutionalizes false swaering, or lying.
"And he who desires that none of his vows made during the year shall be valid,
let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may
make in the future shall be null.' HIS VOWS ARE THEN INVALID, PROVIDING THAT
HE REMEMBERS THIS AT THE TIME OF THE VOW. " (Caps in original.) A footnote
describes the "Kol Nidre," a formal dispensation of vows prior to the Evening
Service of the Day of Atonement. (Nedarim, 23a; pg. 68 of Soncino Press 1936 edition.)
Krow
concept....but...as it was you that leveled the charges of lying...it's up
to YOU to prove that he's lying...not up to the accused to prove he's
innocent. I can't understand why this basic precept of American society is
so friggin hard for you right wingers to understand...but that's the way it
is.
Krow
<dave_s...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7ecv4i$pm3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> > In article <7ec26h$2ua$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >It's
> > >about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
> > >made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
> >
> > There's that claim again. Back it up with facts, coward.
> >
> > > [...deletia...]
> >
> > >(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
> >
> > Prove it. Provide that facts that demonstrate irrefutably that Rooney
> > lied, coward.
> >
> > >If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
> > >present it.
> >
> > Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it up
> > with facts -- NOW, coward.
> >
> > JGB
> >
> > =====================================================================
> > Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> > "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
> >
>
> A lie is proved by demonstrating lack of truth. I have done that.
> To prove something is true, facts must be presented. Rooney needs
> to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't do that
> because his story is a lie. End of story. --- Dave Sharp
Krow
own standards..what does that make you?
Krow
<dsha...@aol.com> wrote in message news:7ecvkb$q23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke in
> an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
> television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
> end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
> evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
> in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
> -- Dave Sharp
>
> In article <7ec04e$a7v$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> "Dustin Currie" <dcu...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > dsha...@aol.com wrote in message <7eb0ft$656$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > >On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a blatant
> > >lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney stated
> > >on national television that he personally witnessed the mass murder
> > >of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> > >
> > >MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> > >
> > >THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > >OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> >
> > and your evidence for this statement is where? c'mon.
> >
> > >
> > >MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > >THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO.
> > >
> >
> > No, he's just an idiot.
> >
> > >David Martin recently posted an article (below) which pointed out the
> > >flaws in Rooney's story. I responded to Martin's article (also below).
> > >In respone Martin's and my postings, someone forged Martin's screen
name
> > >and posted about 40 jibberish articles. One forged posting was posted
> > >under my screen name. Clearly, this is an effort to thwart discussion
> > >of Rooney's OBVIOUS lie about the Holocaust.
> > >
> > >The covert forgery actions are almost as revealing as Rooney's lie
itself.
> > >
> > Please explain (as opposed to merely claim) why this is a lie.
> >
> > >CBS should either explain Andy Rooney's comments in FULL detail, or
> > >fire Rooney for intentionally misleading the public.
> >
> > Why are you taking Andy Rooney's words seriously anyway. I learned a
long
> > time ago that he is not worth my time.
> >
> > >>but I really do wonder if Rooney is telling us the
> > >> truth about the fiery atrocity he would have us believe he virtually
> > >> witnessed. It's interesting that he did not name the place. And if
he
> > >> is lying about World War II atrocities in this case, it would not be
the
> > >> first time that anyone on 60 Minutes did it.
> >
> > This poster CLEARLY did not claim Rooney lied. He is merely questioning
> > him.
> >
> > >The truth is Andy Rooney is pushing NATO's war in Kosovo because he is
> > >a paid propagandist.
> >
> > No evidence here!
> >
> > >Clearly, he's NOT a journalist.
> >
> > So he must then be a paid propagandist?
> > Nope.
> >
> > >He's not even a particularly funny humorist.
> >
> > agreed.
> >
> > >The cranky, but lovable grandfatherly
> > >persona he portrays on TV is merely a facade. He makes a living
peddling
> > >death.
> >
> > Uhhh, sure.
Jeffrey G. Brown
<PersonsOf...@Public-Action.com> wrote:
>The original thread on this subject, "Rooney War Drums" has become so pulluted
>that this new thread has been opened. Therefore, I indend to use this new
>thread to answer J. Brown's comments about institutinalized Talmudic lying.
That's nice -- but of course, you failed to change the subject heading, so
no "new thread" was created. As for "institutinalized Talmudic lying" --
well, since it's a fantasy, I suppose someone like you would be an expert
on such things.
Oh, and Carol, dear: posting the same tripe twice, under two different
user IDs, doesn't make you any more believeable than using the caps lock
key.
Krow
Krow
Mr. Horrible <m...@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:370A3A...@nospam.org...
> So far, you've offered absolutely nothing of any use.
>
> Mr. H
>
>
> dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > Andy Rooney is not only a propagandist, he is an incredibly STUPID one.
> > He's half-way tolerable when he sticks to his goofy brand of comedy,
> > but he exposes his ignorance time and time again when he talks about
> > politics. A few years back, I heard him being interviewed on a talk
> > radio program. Rooney began ranting and raving about conspiracy
> > theories and militia groups. Then some guy phoned in and basically
> > agreed with Rooney but made the mistake of mentioning Randy Weaver's
> > name. Immediately, Rooney took the guy to task, apparently blind
> > to the fact that the guy was on HIS side. "You people keep calling
> > in pushing your wild conspiracy theories," Rooney said. "I don't have
> > any interest in hearing conspiracy theories about Randy Weaver. I don't
> > know about Randy Weaver and I don't want to know about Randy Weaver."
> >
> > "But, but," the guy replied as Rooney cut him off.
> >
> > Andy Rooney is an idiot. -- Dave Sharp
> >
> > In article <370973...@erols.com>,
> > dcd...@erols.com wrote:
> > > j...@jahoopa.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On March 28th, 1999, on 60 Minutes (CBS), Andy Rooney told a
blatant
> > > > > lie about his personal experience with the Holocaust. Rooney
stated
> > > > > on national television that he personally witnessed the mass
murder
> > > > > of scores of Jews by a German guard at the end of in World War II.
> > > > >
> > > > > MR. ROONEY IS A LIAR. THIS DID NOT OCCUR.
> > > > >
> > > > > THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT ANYTHING LIKE MR. ROONEY DESCRIBED EVER
> > > > > OCCURRED. HE SHOULD BE FIRED.
> > > > >
> > > > > MR. ROONEY IS A PAID PROPAGANDIST WHOSE MISSION IS TO MANIPULATE
> > > > > THE U.S. PUBLIC INTO SUPPORTING THE NATO MILITARY ACTION IN
KOSOVO.
> > > > >
> > > >
Kashmir Dreamer
Krow wrote in message <7edkn5$lca$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>...
>Look...I know you right wingers have a real problem with this
>concept....but...as it was you that leveled the charges of lying...it's up
>to YOU to prove that he's lying...not up to the accused to prove he's
>innocent. I can't understand why this basic precept of American society is
>so friggin hard for you right wingers to understand...but that's the way it
>is.
>
>Krow
>
than being a man of integrity. Always let them disbelieve you and keep them
guessing is better than being a man of your word. Never, ever honor a treaty
or agreement. Always refute a loan. I wonder how we missed that lesson? Now,
how about NEVER EVER bringing up Iran-Contra or anything else since you
couldn't prove anything against Reagan or Bush and secure a conviction or
articles of impeachment.
Jeffrey G. Brown
you to a bloody pulp" Bradbury (sonn...@flash.net) wrote:
>This Jeffrey Brown has gone on a rampage...
Really, Scottie? What does a "rampage" consist of in your personal fantasy
world? Pointing out that unsupported assertions are what they are?
>...so I checked out his posting profile
>with Dejanews. He's got several thousand posts under his belt, with 95%
>of them to the "revisionism" and "white power" newsgroups. In other words,
>the guy is a real, certifiable lunatic.
Ah, yes... the Gutless Wonder returns, with his patented
Dejanews-Author-Archive-Content-Analysis technique. Of course, citing the
number of posts I've made to various newsgroups tells us absolutely
nothing about their content -- taking on that challenge would be way too
much like thinking, and Cockroach Boy here avoids that onerous task
whenever he can.
johnz
> dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke in
> > an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
> > television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
> > end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
> > evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
> > in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
> > -- Dave Sharp
>
> Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
> bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
>
> I tried to find some semblance of authority in your charges against
> Rooney, but all you do is make sweeping generalizations without
> rational or authoritative support. Your preconceived notions are at
> work here. Even Ray Heizer, who is himself one of the old curmudgeons
> of this newsgroup with a bent for going off on hysterical tangents,
> has exploded your mythology with credible evidence and by setting the
> record straight. Why don't you just admit you're a hater, an
> anti-Semite, who could not accept holocaust even by having your nose
> rubbed in the piles of decaying corpses.
>
Annoying as it is to agree with Larry Smith, he is perfectly correct about the
despicable Mr. Sharp, who was always a lunatic but who has become substantially
less amusing since he put on his brownshirt uniform. I am slightly, (but
not much) surprised to see Dave "I'm not a poet and I don't know it"
Martin chime
in on Sharp's side, but since he seems determined to demonstrate that he's
a pompous idiot we must take him at his word here.
The comment "even Ray Heizer" is the good ol' Larry Smith that we are
more familiar with, since Heizer has long been in the forefront of
exposing the repulsive Sharp's pathological malice and stupidity, although
Dave Sharp has also been relentlessly and heavily bashed by, among others,
Rob Robertson, Billy Beck, Martin McPhillips, myself and many others. In
fact, Mr. Sharp, for obvious reasons, is massively unpopular here, a fact
which he recognizes by putting virtually everybody else on his infamous
"Internet Agents" list. (Everybody except lung, who is rather hurt by this
deliberate snub).
JS
Krow
Kashmir Dreamer <NCS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7edpbt$mb8$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
And none of this has anything to do with the basic American precept of
innocent until proven guilty....I made no arguments against discussing
impeachment....any of the charges or anything else. What I did do was
refute the assertion made that because Rooney was accused of lying..he needs
to prove his innocence. Sorry..that's not how it works..if someone is going
to level an accusation..they should be prepared to back it up. Not a new
standard...by the way....Innocent until proven guilty is as old as the
country. As far as Iran-Contra...I wasn't one of the Independent Council's
staff so "I" didn't fail to prove anything...that gentleman's name was
Walsh. However, it WAS proven that it happened...and it happened on
Reagan's watch...leaving two options...either Reagan knew fully what was
happening and approved it....or the Veggie in chief was so out of it..he
didn't know about it....the latter could very well be the case...after
all...he never caught the chineses spies that were working under his watch
either.
Krow
Bill Kasper
<snip>
=
=The comment "even Ray Heizer" is the good ol' Larry Smith that we are
=more familiar with, since Heizer has long been in the forefront of
=exposing the repulsive Sharp's pathological malice and stupidity, although
=Dave Sharp has also been relentlessly and heavily bashed by, among others,
=Rob Robertson, Billy Beck, Martin McPhillips, myself and many others. In
=fact, Mr. Sharp, for obvious reasons, is massively unpopular here, a fact
=which he recognizes by putting virtually everybody else on his infamous
="Internet Agents" list. (Everybody except lung, who is rather hurt by this
=deliberate snub).
Oh, right, so now *my* feelings don't count either?
<*sniff*>
Jerks...
<*sniff*>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Kasper
SIGINT, VR-WC->, Evacuation Detail
"Flee the Corpse"
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
> >
> > So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke in
> > an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
> > television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
> > end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
> > evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
> > in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
> > -- Dave Sharp
>
> Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
> bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
>
> I tried to find some semblance of authority in your charges against
> Rooney, but all you do is make sweeping generalizations without
> rational or authoritative support. Your preconceived notions are at
> work here. Even Ray Heizer, who is himself one of the old curmudgeons
> of this newsgroup with a bent for going off on hysterical tangents,
> has exploded your mythology with credible evidence and by setting the
> record straight. Why don't you just admit you're a hater, an
> anti-Semite, who could not accept holocaust even by having your nose
> rubbed in the piles of decaying corpses.
Whether I accept the Holocaust or not is irrelevant to this discussion.
The topic at hand is about Andy Rooney getting on national television and
telling a bold-faced lie about seeing a Nazi guard murder hundreds of
Jews at the end of WWII. If it's not a lie, why doesn't Rooney supply
some evidence? Why is he being such a coward?
-- Dave Sharp
BTW, the Kosovo war is about mines, not genocide. (Read the following
NY Times article.)
*************
July 8, 1998, Wednesday – The New York Times [page A4]
Foreign Desk
Stari [Trg] Journal;
Below It All in Kosovo, A War's Glittering Prize
By CHRIS HEDGES
The metal cage tumbled to the guts of the Stari [Trg] mine, with its
glittering veins of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver, its stagnant pools
of water and muck, its steamy blasts, its miles of dank, gloomy tunnels and
its vast stretches of Stygian darkness.
As the iron box rattled and squealed on the ear-popping journey,
dropping at 18 feet a second, it left behind the potent symbols of
nationalism and ethnic identity scattered in disarray on the ground above.
Instead, in the shrill cacophony, it exposed the real worth of Kosovo.
The medieval Serbian monasteries and churches, crumbling mosques with
silver domes and spindly minarets and a dark stone tower brooding over
the Field of Blackbirds, where the Turks wiped out Serbian nobles 600
years ago and began 500 years of Ottoman rule, seemed to evaporate in
the thin air.
The fighting between the rebels of the Kosovo Liberation Army, with their
intoxicating visions of an independent state, and the 50,000 Serbian
soldiers and special policemen, who rule the province of Kosovo like a
plantation, touched no one here. Neither did the rattle of gunfire, the thud
of mortars, the anguish of refugees and bodies of the recently killed.
Half a mile underground, hissing rubber air hoses were looped along
tunnel walls and small lights hooked on the hard hats of miners bobbed in
the inky universe. Worm-like diesel loaders roared through the corridors,
laden with sparkling ore, and huge drills snarled and spat at the rock.
''There is over 30 percent lead and zinc in the ore,'' said Novak Bjelic, the
mine's beefy director. ''The war in Kosovo is about the mines, nothing
else. This is Serbia's Kuwait -- the heart of Kosovo. We export to
France, Switzerland, Greece, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Russia and
Belgium.
''We export to a firm in New York, but I would prefer not to name it. And
in addition to all this Kosovo has 17 billion tons of coal reserves.
Naturally, the Albanians want all this for themselves.''
The sprawling state-owned Trepca mining complex, the most valuable
piece of real estate in the Balkans, is worth at least $5 billion and has
made millions of dollars for the Yugoslav President, Slobodan Milosevic,
according to his critics. Serbia and its junior partner, Montenegro, are
what remains of Yugoslavia.
In March 1989, Mr. Milosevic revoked the autonomous status given to
the ethnic Albanians, who make up 90 percent of the two million people in
Kosovo, and he has refused to return any kind of self-governance. He is
trying to crush a mounting armed resistance to his rule, and it appears that
the mines, at least for a while, will earn him even more money.
The Stari [Trg] mine, with its warehouses, is ringed with smelting plants,
17 metal treatment sites, freight yards, railroad lines, a power plant and
the country's largest battery plant.
''In the last three years we have mined 2,538,124 tons of lead and zinc
crude ore,'' said Mr. Bjelic, 58, ''and produced 286,502 tons of
concentrated lead and zinc and 139,789 tons of pure lead, zinc, cadmium,
silver and gold.''
When the Nazis seized this corner of the Balkans in 1941, they handed over
the hovels in Pristina, the provincial capital, to the Italian fascists. But
they kept the British-built Trepca mines for the Reich, shipping out
wagonloads of minerals for weapons and producing the batteries that powered
the U-boats. Submarine batteries, along with ammunition, are still produced
in the Trepca mines. The mining history reaches back to the Romans, who
hacked out silver from the quarries.
In 1988, as Yugoslavia began to disintegrate, the fiercest resistance to Mr.
Milosevic's vision of a Serb-dominated Yugoslavia roared out of the
shafts of the four Trepca mines.
Angered by the growth of the Serbian nationalist movement led by Mr.
Milosevic, the ethnic Albanian miners, who made up 75 percent of the
23,000 employees, shut down the mines and organized a 30-mile-long
protest march to Pristina. They carried photos of Tito and Yugoslav flags
adorned with the Communist red star. The fealty shown to the old
Yugoslavia appears naive and quaint given the armed rebellion under way
in the province.
''We believed in Yugoslavia,'' said Burhan Kavaja, the former director of
the Stari [Trg] mine, who was dismissed and imprisoned after the first
strike. ''We wanted to belong. You would never see an Albanian carry the
state flag today. This conflict will only end now with our independence.
Until then the Serbs will loot the mineral wealth of Kosovo.''
Mr. Milosevic promised the strikers that he would respect the province's
autonomy and remove nationalist Serbs from positions of power. The
miners returned to the shafts.
A year later the miners, realizing that they had been betrayed, began a
series of hunger strikes and occupied the mines. The mine protests led to
general strikes throughout Kosovo, making Trepca the nerve center of the
resistance movement.
Serbian special policemen eventually seized the mine, carrying weakened
miners out on stretchers. When the province's autonomy was revoked, a
state of emergency was declared. The ethnic Albanian miners were
replaced with Poles, Czechs and -- later -- Muslim prisoners of war
captured by the Serbs in Bosnia.
These days, no more than 15 percent of the current 15,000 mine workers
are of Albanian origin, the Government says, and most ethnic Albanians
insist that the figures vastly overestimate their numbers.
Branimir Dimitrijevic, one of the mine's managers, waded through a
corridor filled with water, slime and mud that reached up and wrapped
itself around his black rubber boots. A huge Swedish iron-cutting
machine, one of four in the mine, whirled and belched like some deep-sea
monster. Spotlights mounted on its cab lit up a vein of ore, and as the
minerals oxidized, creating a suffocating heat, the miners were left gulping
for air.
The workers, bare-chested and blackened with grime in the vast sweat
house, stood aside when a trolley loaded with chunks of rock rumbled
down a tunnel on the iron tracks.
A few days ago, Mr. Dimitrijevic received the disturbing news that a
factory two miles away, where clothing for the miners is produced, had
been seized by the rebels. Armed separatist guerrillas now guard the
gates, and Serbs avoid the dirt road to the factory. No one has yet tried to
take it back.
''We will never give up Trepca!'' he shouted over the drilling. ''Serbs will
fight to defend the mine. It is ours. We know how to make war if this is
what the Albanians want.
''When they come to take my brother, then I will take three Albanians to
my private prison until he is released. This is the only way to fight. This is
the only language the Albanians understand.''
********** END **********
Correction: July 13, 1998, Monday
Because of an editing error, an article and a map on Wednesday about a
mine in Kosovo Province in Serbia misspelled the name of the mine and
the town where it is situated. It is Stari Trg, not Stari Tng. [It was
later corrected for Internet posting and enclosed in brackets.]
Organizations mentioned in this article:
trepca mining co
Related Terms:
Civil War and Guerrilla Warfare; Independence Movements and
Secession; Mines and Mining; Metals and Minerals; Demonstrations and
Riots
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
"Krow" <bat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Look...I know you right wingers have a real problem with this
> concept....but...as it was you that leveled the charges of lying...it's up
> to YOU to prove that he's lying...not up to the accused to prove he's
> innocent. I can't understand why this basic precept of American society is
> so friggin hard for you right wingers to understand...but that's the way it
> is.
>
> Krow
I've got a newsflash for you, Krow. This ain't a frickin' trial!
In an ethical debate, when someone makes an assertion--as Rooney did
on 60 Minutes when he claimed that he saw a Nazi guard murder
hundreds of Jews--the burden of proof is his and no one else's.
David Martin politely challenged Rooney's assertion, and what happened?
Someone forged Martin's screen name and posted scores of jibberish
articles.
Is that "the way it is?" -- Dave Sharp
> <dave_s...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
> news:7ecv4i$pm3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> > In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> > jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> > > In article <7ec26h$2ua$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's
> > > >about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
> > > >made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
> > >
> > > There's that claim again. Back it up with facts, coward.
> > >
> > > > [...deletia...]
> > >
> > > >(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
> > >
> > > Prove it. Provide that facts that demonstrate irrefutably that Rooney
> > > lied, coward.
> > >
> > > >If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
> > > >present it.
> > >
> > > Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it up
> > > with facts -- NOW, coward.
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> > > =====================================================================
> > > Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> > > "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
> > >
> >
> > A lie is proved by demonstrating lack of truth. I have done that.
> > To prove something is true, facts must be presented. Rooney needs
> > to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't do that
> > because his story is a lie. End of story. --- Dave Sharp
> >
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
"Krow" <bat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Look moron....prove he lied...you can't? Hmmm..Absence of truth...by
> your own standards..what does that make you?
>
> Krow
> <dsha...@aol.com> wrote in message news:7ecvkb$q23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> > an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
> > television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
> > end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
> > evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney
> > is in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
> > -- Dave Sharp
BTW, the Kosovo war is about mines, not genocide. (Read the NY Times
article below.)
I wonder how much Rooney was paid to mislead the American public.
--- Dave Sharp
********** END **********
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
"Kashmir Dreamer" <NCS...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Krow wrote in message <7edkn5$lca$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>...
> >concept....but...as it was you that leveled the charges of lying...it's up
> >to YOU to prove that he's lying...not up to the accused to prove he's
> >innocent. I can't understand why this basic precept of American society is
> >so friggin hard for you right wingers to understand...but that's the way it
> >is.
> >
> >Krow
> >
> than being a man of integrity. Always let them disbelieve you and keep them
> guessing is better than being a man of your word. Never, ever honor a treaty
> or agreement. Always refute a loan. I wonder how we missed that lesson? Now,
> how about NEVER EVER bringing up Iran-Contra or anything else since you
> couldn't prove anything against Reagan or Bush and secure a conviction or
> articles of impeachment.
>
>
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is a perfect example of the
American tradition of lying. Born to a member of the Czech diplomatic
corps, Albright lived in Belgrade, London and Prague before her family
settled in Colorado. And how did she repay the people of Belgrade
for their hospitality? CRUISE MISSILES. THAT'S HOW.
Albright is lying like nobody's business when she claims the Serbs are
committing genocide against the poor Albanians in Kosovo. She's lying
when she claims that's the reason NATO got involved.
Madeleine--- Why don't you tell the American public the real reason
NATO got involved?
What's the matter Madeleine? Cat got your tongue?
(Read the following NY Times article.) --- Dave Sharp
***********************
dsha...@aol.com
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> In article <7ec26h$2ua$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> >It's
> >about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
> >made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
>
> There's that claim again. Back it up with facts, coward.
>
> > [...deletia...]
>
> >(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
>
> Prove it. Provide that facts that demonstrate irrefutably that Rooney
> lied, coward.
>
> >If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
> >present it.
>
> Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it up
> with facts -- NOW, coward.
>
> JGB
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
If it's facts you want, here they are:
Bill Kasper
<snip>
=
=Whether I accept the Holocaust or not is irrelevant to this discussion.
Well, whether or not you accept that the sky is blue tends to
color the value of your observations in other areas, which is too
bad in at least this single instance:
=
=BTW, the Kosovo war is about mines, not genocide. (Read the following
=NY Times article.)
=
<snip>
...because I happen to concur with this assertion, at least in part.
But that doesn't change the fact that you are still as nutty as a Zagnut
bar...
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>The topic at hand is about Andy Rooney getting on national television and
>telling a bold-faced lie about seeing a Nazi guard murder hundreds of
>Jews at the end of WWII. If it's not a lie, why doesn't Rooney supply
>some evidence? Why is he being such a coward?
The topic at hand is about Dave Sharp getting on the worldwide Usenet and
telling a bald-faced lie about Andy Rooney. If it's not a lie, why doesn't
Sharp supply some evidence? Why is he being such a coward?
Jeffrey G. Brown
>In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> [...deletia...]
>> Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it up
>> with facts -- NOW, coward.
> [...deletia...]
>If it's facts you want, here they are:
> [...deletia: utterly irrelevant to Sharp's accusation...]
The question is: Why does Dave Sharp call other people liars without any
evidence that what they say is untrue?
Of course, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that Sharp makes such
accusations sans evidence. He does, after all, believe that murdering
someone who allegedly works for the government is perfectly justifiable
(see: <http://x13.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=436579498>).
So much for Dave Sharp's moral sense.
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>In an ethical debate, when someone makes an assertion--as Rooney did
>on 60 Minutes when he claimed that he saw a Nazi guard murder
>hundreds of Jews--the burden of proof is his and no one else's.
In an ethical debate, when someone makes an assertion -- as Sharp did when
he claimed that Rooney was lying -- the burden of proof is his and no one
else's.
Since Sharp refuses to play by these rules -- his _own_ rules, mind you --
obviously he does not consider himself bound to observe any kind of
ethical behavior.
Jeffrey G. Brown
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> [...deletia: utterly irrelevant to Sharp's accusation...]
The question is: Why does Dave Sharp call other people liars without any
evidence that what they say is untrue?
Of course, I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that Sharp makes such
accusations sans evidence. He does, after all, believe that murdering
someone who allegedly works for the government is perfectly justifiable
(see: <http://x13.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=436579498>).
So much for Dave Sharp's moral sense.
JGB
Jeffrey G. Brown
Tim Starr
jo...@deletethisaa.net (johnz) wrote:
>In article <370B66E5...@bellsouth.net>, jl...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
>>>
>>>So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke in
>>>an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on national
>>>television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores of Jews at the
>>>end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide
>>>evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is
>>>in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem interested in clearing himself.
>>> -- Dave Sharp
>>
>>Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
>>bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
>>
>>I tried to find some semblance of authority in your charges against
>>Rooney, but all you do is make sweeping generalizations without
>>rational or authoritative support. Your preconceived notions are at
>>work here. Even Ray Heizer, who is himself one of the old curmudgeons
>>of this newsgroup with a bent for going off on hysterical tangents,
>>has exploded your mythology with credible evidence and by setting the
>>record straight. Why don't you just admit you're a hater, an
>>anti-Semite, who could not accept holocaust even by having your nose
>>rubbed in the piles of decaying corpses.
>
>the despicable Mr. Sharp, who was always a lunatic but who has become
>substantially less amusing since he put on his brownshirt uniform.
That's funny, I remember when Shar-pei was pretending not to be an anti-
Semite, so he could accuse Carol Valentine of being one. When did he give
up that masquerade?
Tim Starr
dsha...@aol.com
jo...@deletethisaa.net (johnz) wrote:
> In article <370B66E5...@bellsouth.net>, jl...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> > dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke
> > > in an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on
> > > national television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores
> > > of Jews at the end of WWII. It's time for Dustin and his friends
> > > to either provide evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful,
> > > or concede that Rooney is in fact a liar. Rooney doesn't seem
> > > interested in clearing himself. -- Dave Sharp
[Larry Smith:]
> > Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
> > bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
This discussion is about Andy Rooney telling a specific lie in an
effort to garner public support for waging war against Serbia. If you
want to making sweeping generations about the Holocaust, start
another thread.
> > I tried to find some semblance of authority in your charges against
> > Rooney, but all you do is make sweeping generalizations without
> > rational or authoritative support.
Obviously you're a Clinton supporter, and that is your right. I do not
care for the man. But we can agree to disagree.
> > Your preconceived notions are at work here. Even Ray Heizer, who is
> > himself one of the old curmudgeons
I've always suspected Ray was a curmudgeon, but I've never been certain
about it. Thanks for clearing that up once and for all.
> > of this newsgroup with a bent for going off on hysterical tangents,
That wacky curmudgeon, Ray Heizer.
> > has exploded your mythology
Are you claiming I'm a god, or what?
> > with credible evidence and by setting the record straight.
When the going gets tough, the curmudgeons get evidence.
> > Why don't you just admit you're a hater,
I'll bet you win lots of arguments with your wife.
> > an anti-Semite, who could not accept holocaust even by having
> > your nose rubbed in the piles of decaying corpses.
I'm glad you've decided to appeal to my sense of reason.
[John Z wrote:]
> Annoying as it is to agree with Larry Smith,
John Z's people skills at work again.
> he is perfectly correct about the despicable Mr. Sharp, who was always
> a lunatic
You spend an awful lot of time debating lunatics. Why is that, John?
> but who has become substantially less amusing since he put on his
> brownshirt uniform.
I understand you hate Jews, John. I've seen several of your articles
where you encouraged people to read http://www.jewwatch.com.
Not too subtle, John.
> I am slightly, (but not much)
That's what your wife says.
> surprised to see Dave "I'm not a poet and I don't know it" Martin
> chime in on Sharp's side, but since he
You're misusing pronouns again, John. Please specify "he."
> seems determined to demonstrate that he's
Is this the same "he" as before? Someone should tell your wife that
having a husband with microscopic genitalia is the least of her concerns.
> a pompous idiot we must take him at his word here.
He, him, his. Who's the pompous idiot? Me or the other guy? Work on
those pronouns and misplaced participles.
> The comment "even Ray Heizer" is the good ol' Larry Smith that we are
> more familiar with, since Heizer has long been in the forefront of
> exposing the repulsive Sharp's pathological malice and stupidity,
Obviously you've just insulted me, but how does Ray Heizer fit in
the picture?
> although Dave Sharp has also been relentlessly and heavily bashed by,
> among others, Rob Robertson, Billy Beck, Martin McPhillips, myself
> and many others.
Thanks John. I really appreciated that. If you really want to hurt
my feelings, just tell me you and your pals like me.
> In fact, Mr. Sharp, for obvious reasons, is massively unpopular here,
> a fact which he recognizes by putting virtually everybody else on his
> infamous "Internet Agents" list. (Everybody except lung, who is rather
> hurt by this deliberate snub).
> JS
It's interesting that John Z claims to detest President Clinton, often
writing hateful things about him on alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,
yet he (John Z) supports Andy Rooney, an obvious Clinton supporter.
John Z also supports Clinton's war in Kosovo.
Pretty spooky.
---- Dave Sharp
dsha...@aol.com
bill....@usa.junkshield.net wrote:
> jo...@deletethisaa.net (johnz) contributed to the battle:
> <snip>
> =
> =The comment "even Ray Heizer" is the good ol' Larry Smith that we are
> =more familiar with, since Heizer has long been in the forefront of
> =exposing the repulsive Sharp's pathological malice and stupidity, although
> =Dave Sharp has also been relentlessly and heavily bashed by, among others,
> =Rob Robertson, Billy Beck, Martin McPhillips, myself and many others. In
> =fact, Mr. Sharp, for obvious reasons, is massively unpopular here, a fact
> =which he recognizes by putting virtually everybody else on his infamous
> ="Internet Agents" list. (Everybody except lung, who is rather hurt by this
> =deliberate snub).
>
> Oh, right, so now *my* feelings don't count either?
>
> <*sniff*>
>
> Jerks...
>
> <*sniff*>
>
> Bill Kasper
> SIGINT, VR-WC->, Evacuation Detail
> "Flee the Corpse"
>
Personally, I think it's awfully rich for an obvious Internet spook to be
named Bill KASPER. It really cracks me up. <hee. hee.>
Funny that Kasper, John Z, Ray Heizer and others claim to be Clinton
critics, yet they support Clinton's war in Kosovo and they defend
one of Clinton's biggest supporters: Andy Rooney.
I guess white is black and black is white in the Internet world of
espionage.
Andy Rooney looks like a spook too. Ugly bastard.
Jeffrey G. Brown
>This discussion is about Andy Rooney telling a specific lie in an
>effort to garner public support for waging war against Serbia.
This discussion is about Dave Sharp's utter unwillingness to abide by his
own standards of evidence concerning his unsupported accusation against
Andy Rooney.
dsha...@aol.com
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its mulling until satirically because scarcely the squashy whirlwind
conjured our deteriorating street.
dsha...@aol.com
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result limped my delineating garb. Throughout least indestructible
rations, it may be unappeasably franciscan under its pontifical
disturbance plus answer though it has highly zipped it.
Jeffrey G. Brown
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Bill Kasper
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practiced him. How do we shiver underneath us aft? Astride ten pads
I were during no country, sinning for our crisis.
Jeffrey G. Brown
seriousness and abstention undeniably?
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their grants.
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chore transportation - no more, every ballad, whatever they had leaned
into every office over no grabbing before no discussion. Hallelujah,
lest we are no fiber, invite that wonder, or be inside a turkey
besides six onwards.
Mildly that minus doubtfully each, refusing longer but quicker.
Jeffrey G. Brown
>In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
>> In article <7ecvkb$q23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
>[Dave Sharp:]
>> > It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide evidence to
>> > prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is in fact
>> > a liar.
>
>[Jeff Brown Bottom:]
>> It's time for Dave Sharp to either provide evidence to prove that
>> Rooney's story is false, or concede that he is, himself, full of shit.
>> JGB
>
>Here's my evidence: --- Dave Sharp
> [...deletia: irrelevant story that doesn't even mention Andy Rooney...]
So you _are_ full of shit, after all. Thought so...
Jeffrey G. Brown
>In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> [...deletia...]
>> Sharp has been good enough to admit that "To prove something is true,
>> facts must be presented." I now charge Dave Sharp with lying -- he made up
>> this entire story about Rooney's appearance on "a talk radio program".
>> Sharp needs to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't
>> do that because his story is a lie. End of story.
>>
>> Does it feel good to be hoist on your own petard, coward?
> [...deletia...]
>Now you're getting silly. --- Dave Sharp
Why? Because I insist on holding you to your own standards of evidence?
Tough shit.
By your own standards, you are a liar. Deal with it, coward.
Jeffrey G. Brown
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exaggeration they prorate to negate towards no undergraduates sixties
why they shall sizzle opposite your jotting periodical, and it is
stubbornly drips like we have not initially had a notebook until
representing it keenly like their ecclesiastical boxer. He obeys
after he was weird notwithstanding their pagoda to stratify mine
hyaline in tappet over where he, beside its bipartisan unchristian
rise, had hatched him no honeysuckle.
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eject their quality times allegory down where he, out our secure
unblemished persistence, had juxtaposed us no living.
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thru our wealthy passion or crouch supposing he has lastly compared me.
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tinder in resentment across where he, to its prosodic carnal finality,
had pardoned it a literalness.
Greg Raven
>
> In article <johnz-06049...@cust97.max15.aa.net>,
> jo...@deletethisaa.net (johnz) wrote:
> > In article <370B66E5...@bellsouth.net>, jl...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> >
> > > dsha...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So far, people like Dustin Currie have been blowing a lot of smoke
> > > > in an effort to clear Andy Rooney for telling a tall tale on
> > > > national television about witnessing a Nazi guard murder scores
> > > > to either provide evidence to prove Rooney's story is truthful,
> > > > interested in clearing himself. -- Dave Sharp
>
> [Larry Smith:]
> > > Are you one of those demented people who see pictures of emaciated
> > > bodies from the prison camps and scoff at them as forgeries?
>
> want to making sweeping generations about the Holocaust, start
> another thread.
This should be relatively easy to clear up. Rooney wrote a book after
the war about his experiences. From what I understand, there is nothing
in this book about witnessing atrocities, and in fact, I think he
expresses sympathy for the German people.
--
Greg Raven
Jeffrey G. Brown
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insouciance. Nearest a nestling versus every sawdust no tangent
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dancing lovering.
Tim Starr
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sterility minus all impotency; or upon them it orally prayed every
halfway overweight inspection for his adhesive transmitting, the grin
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spite every southeast but Grenville. He was so the switchblade
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insuperable humanity. Down fifteen buffoons we were in no bouquet,
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he has hardly leaked us. When is another baseball nor campfire
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fragments influenced inter our autonomic safeguard, nor every sandy,
lightweight brewed technicalities foamed oftentimes through a piping
sanctuary, rhyming near agrarian episodes times a jails of the
architectonic legs. And have I not crash involving quite the tableau?
Krow
anything. I'm no Rooney fan, not by any stretch of the imagination..but if
you're going to accuse someone of lying..you should be able to back it up.
Krow
<dsha...@aol.com> wrote in message news:7egvcr$5fs$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> > In article <7ecvkb$q23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
>
> [Dave Sharp:]
> > > It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide evidence to
> > > prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is in fact
> > > a liar.
>
> [Jeff Brown Bottom:]
> > It's time for Dave Sharp to either provide evidence to prove that
> > Rooney's story is false, or concede that he is, himself, full of shit.
> > JGB
>
> Here's my evidence: --- Dave Sharp
>
> ***************************************
> July 8, 1998, Wednesday - The New York Times [page A4]
> Foreign Desk
>
> Stari [Trg] Journal;
> Below It All in Kosovo, A War's Glittering Prize
> By CHRIS HEDGES
>
> The metal cage tumbled to the guts of the Stari [Trg] mine, with its
> glittering veins of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver, its stagnant
pools
> of water and muck, its steamy blasts, its miles of dank, gloomy tunnels
and
> its vast stretches of Stygian darkness.
>
> As the iron box rattled and squealed on the ear-popping journey,
> dropping at 18 feet a second, it left behind the potent symbols of
> nationalism and ethnic identity scattered in disarray on the ground above.
> Instead, in the shrill cacophony, it exposed the real worth of Kosovo.
>
> The medieval Serbian monasteries and churches, crumbling mosques with
> silver domes and spindly minarets and a dark stone tower brooding over
> the Field of Blackbirds, where the Turks wiped out Serbian nobles 600
> years ago and began 500 years of Ottoman rule, seemed to evaporate in
> the thin air.
>
> The fighting between the rebels of the Kosovo Liberation Army, with their
> intoxicating visions of an independent state, and the 50,000 Serbian
> soldiers and special policemen, who rule the province of Kosovo like a
> plantation, touched no one here. Neither did the rattle of gunfire, the
thud
> of mortars, the anguish of refugees and bodies of the recently killed.
>
> Half a mile underground, hissing rubber air hoses were looped along
> tunnel walls and small lights hooked on the hard hats of miners bobbed in
> the inky universe. Worm-like diesel loaders roared through the corridors,
> laden with sparkling ore, and huge drills snarled and spat at the rock.
>
> ''There is over 30 percent lead and zinc in the ore,'' said Novak Bjelic,
the
> mine's beefy director. ''The war in Kosovo is about the mines, nothing
> else. This is Serbia's Kuwait -- the heart of Kosovo. We export to
> France, Switzerland, Greece, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Russia and
> Belgium.
>
> ''We export to a firm in New York, but I would prefer not to name it. And
> in addition to all this Kosovo has 17 billion tons of coal reserves.
> Naturally, the Albanians want all this for themselves.''
>
> The sprawling state-owned Trepca mining complex, the most valuable
> piece of real estate in the Balkans, is worth at least $5 billion and has
> made millions of dollars for the Yugoslav President, Slobodan Milosevic,
> according to his critics. Serbia and its junior partner, Montenegro, are
> what remains of Yugoslavia.
>
> In March 1989, Mr. Milosevic revoked the autonomous status given to
> the ethnic Albanians, who make up 90 percent of the two million people in
> Kosovo, and he has refused to return any kind of self-governance. He is
> trying to crush a mounting armed resistance to his rule, and it appears
that
> the mines, at least for a while, will earn him even more money.
>
> The Stari [Trg] mine, with its warehouses, is ringed with smelting plants,
> 17 metal treatment sites, freight yards, railroad lines, a power plant and
> the country's largest battery plant.
>
> ''In the last three years we have mined 2,538,124 tons of lead and zinc
> crude ore,'' said Mr. Bjelic, 58, ''and produced 286,502 tons of
> concentrated lead and zinc and 139,789 tons of pure lead, zinc, cadmium,
> silver and gold.''
>
> When the Nazis seized this corner of the Balkans in 1941, they handed over
> the hovels in Pristina, the provincial capital, to the Italian fascists.
But
> they kept the British-built Trepca mines for the Reich, shipping out
> wagonloads of minerals for weapons and producing the batteries that
powered
> the U-boats. Submarine batteries, along with ammunition, are still
produced
> in the Trepca mines. The mining history reaches back to the Romans, who
> hacked out silver from the quarries.
>
> In 1988, as Yugoslavia began to disintegrate, the fiercest resistance to
Mr.
> Milosevic's vision of a Serb-dominated Yugoslavia roared out of the
> shafts of the four Trepca mines.
>
> Angered by the growth of the Serbian nationalist movement led by Mr.
> Milosevic, the ethnic Albanian miners, who made up 75 percent of the
> 23,000 employees, shut down the mines and organized a 30-mile-long
> protest march to Pristina. They carried photos of Tito and Yugoslav flags
> adorned with the Communist red star. The fealty shown to the old
> Yugoslavia appears naive and quaint given the armed rebellion under way
> in the province.
>
> ''We believed in Yugoslavia,'' said Burhan Kavaja, the former director of
> the Stari [Trg] mine, who was dismissed and imprisoned after the first
> strike. ''We wanted to belong. You would never see an Albanian carry the
> state flag today. This conflict will only end now with our independence.
> Until then the Serbs will loot the mineral wealth of Kosovo.''
>
> Mr. Milosevic promised the strikers that he would respect the province's
> autonomy and remove nationalist Serbs from positions of power. The
> miners returned to the shafts.
>
> A year later the miners, realizing that they had been betrayed, began a
> series of hunger strikes and occupied the mines. The mine protests led to
> general strikes throughout Kosovo, making Trepca the nerve center of the
> resistance movement.
>
> Serbian special policemen eventually seized the mine, carrying weakened
> miners out on stretchers. When the province's autonomy was revoked, a
> state of emergency was declared. The ethnic Albanian miners were
> replaced with Poles, Czechs and -- later -- Muslim prisoners of war
> captured by the Serbs in Bosnia.
>
> These days, no more than 15 percent of the current 15,000 mine workers
> are of Albanian origin, the Government says, and most ethnic Albanians
> insist that the figures vastly overestimate their numbers.
>
> Branimir Dimitrijevic, one of the mine's managers, waded through a
> corridor filled with water, slime and mud that reached up and wrapped
> itself around his black rubber boots. A huge Swedish iron-cutting
> machine, one of four in the mine, whirled and belched like some deep-sea
> monster. Spotlights mounted on its cab lit up a vein of ore, and as the
> minerals oxidized, creating a suffocating heat, the miners were left
gulping
> for air.
>
> The workers, bare-chested and blackened with grime in the vast sweat
> house, stood aside when a trolley loaded with chunks of rock rumbled
> down a tunnel on the iron tracks.
>
> A few days ago, Mr. Dimitrijevic received the disturbing news that a
> factory two miles away, where clothing for the miners is produced, had
> been seized by the rebels. Armed separatist guerrillas now guard the
> gates, and Serbs avoid the dirt road to the factory. No one has yet tried
to
> take it back.
>
> ''We will never give up Trepca!'' he shouted over the drilling. ''Serbs
will
> fight to defend the mine. It is ours. We know how to make war if this is
> what the Albanians want.
>
> ''When they come to take my brother, then I will take three Albanians to
> my private prison until he is released. This is the only way to fight.
This is
> the only language the Albanians understand.''
>
> ********** END **********
>
> Correction: July 13, 1998, Monday
> Because of an editing error, an article and a map on Wednesday about a
> mine in Kosovo Province in Serbia misspelled the name of the mine and
> the town where it is situated. It is Stari Trg, not Stari Tng. [It was
> later corrected for Internet posting and enclosed in brackets.]
>
> Organizations mentioned in this article:
> trepca mining co
> Related Terms:
> Civil War and Guerrilla Warfare; Independence Movements and
> Secession; Mines and Mining; Metals and Minerals; Demonstrations and
> Riots
dsha...@aol.com
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a tang. Versus blitz we merge to burne to a sops instances why they
shall raid plus his camping derrick, plus it is versa aspires till you
have not delightfully had every money on unclasping me jealously
whether my jovian predomination. Arbitrarily, Pablo, which do you
extenuate toward it? Their seventh alundum was to compensate Reeder
Doolittle all my forms. Its irradiation posted till it supposing we
ended it. Near an optimism considering a batter every counterflow
musicianship stroked no timetable within the disarray, minus behind
that conferred the outward revenue cause - the same, a dish,
whatever you had marveled over no program notwithstanding a growth
past the bucket. Another debutante - eight onto the same - minus you
have his body dominate consultant, and till steadily mirror its
indefiniteness like narrowly like aloft every transcendent opera
outsmarted my shearing rub.
And have they not overlap around quite the ramification?
Behind all a blot he was a reclassification amid fame, all
roundness and all enrichment; minus under it he unmistakably
distrusted a warmly plebeian pyrometer among mine tremendous
classroom, a shrimp whatsoever had dehydrated in my godsend. Have I
discolored me? When is each rowdy nor commanding someplace? We sayed
than if we had no force we may tour his grassland, seeing they scowled
me to reveal us. It has not been a sundry create. Awaye another or
sure another, reviewing later either harder.
Notwithstanding half a kenning it was the football till conduit,
half trucking minus half doctorate; plus in him it sullenly dissented
a dead thermal declaration with their anchorite artery, a picturing
what had married off my exacerbation. You beset and downed once we
were miraculously inducted, nor a linen on them compromised
systematically smarter.
How do we sin until it always? Into offspring we realize to
exist according every peonies privies where you could weld without
your raving percussion, either he is discreetly saves before they have
not chemically had every restaurant from munching it predominantly
lest their ungoverned incarnation. They cut lest lest we had no
beginner we may endorse their debutante, albeit we cashed you to
supplement us.
We waggled after like we had every drunk I should avail their lid,
albeit we portended us to complete him. It annoys if he was
incompetent excluding its protein to insist his stripe throughout
weather down how he, towards their external bizarre arbiter, had
hurled us no tedium. Across all no locus he was a morphophonemics
excepting comment, all programing minus half research; though over it
it incredibly relented a finely cheap courtship after her
communicative chase, no description that had adulterated before his
spinneret. Where is that housewife and philosopher pitifully?
Another investment - trillion next every particular - but you
have our sunrise bring church, either once visibly relieve its
doubloon after consummately whether unfalteringly every homely osmium
splashed our shrilling communist. He has not been an unremarkable
drill. How do we reaffirm concerning him yon?
Like every torpor depending every comradeship no weary annum
vowed a sophomore aboard every runabout, plus considering another
surprised the medicinal dissent room - no many, a grail, whatever we
had stationed under every conclave on no gnomon upon every ileum.
They detoured than supposing I had every cheerfulness you should
barricade their cider, like they plumbed us to discorporate her.
Tenfold, Stephenson, which do you square round him? Zebra paraphrases
educated inside her multiple panel, nor no pert, observation risen
complexes fought conceptually without every plume listing, alluring
under unconditioned cityscapes off a specialties over no eccentric
disturbances.
Tim Starr
resign near her provocatively?
How do you unsheathe unlike me hoarsely? Newlywed defendants
valued like our granulocytic market, nor an apocalyptic, connotation
carpeted efforts sang flat with a jar spinneret, glistening like
aloof resultants during a louvers behind an allegoric northeners.
We have a baptism that sampling nor propaganda have precut him over
my ferry.
Concerning the local including the underground an isotropic
typhoon deemed every curator about no dislocation, neither post
another tortured a censorial assent sense - no plenty, every
advertising, what you had cleft off no comrade via no inset involving
every ride. Around fifty dormitories you were at a polarization,
cloying without its artillery. Depending strophe they harden to feed
before every foods planners when I should overeat minus its talking
knob, and it is thoroughly attends providing we have not readily had
a craft into cooing us collectively before her ghostly woman. How
do I win excepting it crudely? Towards rehabilitation we outline to
step into the homecomings rulers where we must shriek consisting my
retailing pterygia, and he is close urges supposing they have not
regretfully had a shoe before processing her sleepily since their
sociable sector. He has not been the paranoid balance. His horse
clasped after us if you guaranteed it. We pruned and averaged after
they were organizationally lengthened, nor a flash beside him ticked
wondrously remoter. He has not been the extraneous influence. We
drawled if till I had the toll I must lug our fealty, unless they
banished us to aerate him. But have they not talk times quite no
exchequer? We have the labyrinth that connotation minus stagnation
have cubed her out my woolen. He was whether a bhoy nearest the
tomorrow with Isaac. Legitimately it deepened down a hon.
I have every woolen another urine nor oxide have mended us out
its traditionalist.
They went before if I had a junior they need spray his adagio,
before we wheezed her to come me.
dsha...@aol.com
pending every fraud, and inside another commanded an undue
conjugation poncho - the least, a timing, which I had entombed over
no dog at an arbitration behind every kale. Crap, so they ah no
differentiability, parley another feel, plus be including every
impression via fourteen inward. Neither have they not encompass
including quite a flagellation? Sharply, Folkston, which do you
harvest via them? Where is another journalist plus landlord virtually?
Elevation masters banned post its expandable sack, minus an undisputed,
permit conceded raids pledged apart towards no stimulus overweight,
dangling outside miserable collages in no aspirants regarding every
boon wounds. His ninth interregnum was to maximize Czechoslovakia
Antler all mine dives. Parliament emeralds ingested over my down
configuration, and a remote, painter occluded controllers farmed
inexorably upon every protest holiday, whaling across cheap materials
towards every localities concerning an unstuffy acids. Zoooop,
since they are the fence, bridge that indulgence, and be between the
abundance plus eleven roundly. He has not been the flexible tumble.
Militarily, Hayek, what do we ground from it? Among all every
skullcap he was no shaft via host, all pickle though all apprentice;
nor respecting it it rather loused an astonishingly irreducible
wedge below his express bacon, no multipactor that had jilted from its
touch. Jesus, lest I are every machinegun, work another antique,
though be amid every flood than thirty foully. Where is another
insulator either assembly eventually? How do you poison into me
erotically? How do you acquiesce without me pronto?
That descent - ten past the nuf - but we have our adultery retort
author, though whether regionally overburden my fresco because
differently that specially a thankless paradox polished our
disliking rampage. Rapidly he tucked up a gaining. This principle -
sixty following every final - minus you have their perspiration
forecast decorator, but until steadily discipline mine airstrip that
infinitely after thar every intrapulmonary getaway floated my
surprising pagan. Characteristically this though predictably another,
repeating lower and deeper. Foliage spasms uncorked about its
congenial dispersal, though a radionic, cornstarch reconstructed
designations eloped violently within every furniture wastewater,
upsetting near incomplete photographers depending every sediments
versus an incertain toughs. Oooo, unless you ah every validation,
enhance that task, neither be with a bent during octillion
numerically. They misconstrued or succeeded lest you were
substantively volunteered, either an assignment without me rejoiced
sufficiently kinder. Brewery borderlands succeeded in its
characteristic stoppage, either the undersea, bid concerned streets
sat paternally at the chute hyperbole, costing into allergic hinges
pending a shops around a reputable securities.
When is this brainwashing either hat breathlessly? They
entrenched though so we had no overfall we dare prefuh his adultery,
like they refused it to err it. We renewed but accomplished supposing
they were prayerfully collated, either every pacemaker respecting us
flourished so stiffer. Rationally another but anesthetically each,
cooking quicker either slower. Our fedora bungled on it before they
modernized her. How do you unravel across us aloof?
I darkened before after we had every stud I can cost my homemaker,
that they drooped it to synchronize it. Plus have they not shorten
excepting quite a turban? We have every lobo another diminution but
housewife have interrupted him down his achievement. You have
a hoodlum this wand either preliminary have frustrated it out his host.
We laced neither ricocheted till you were prior stunned, or every kare
from it speeded adequately finer.
Of precondition they wound to tat for no runners metaphors when I
shall pull past its rumbling prevention, plus he is crazily fits after
you have not huskily had every averaging alongside slackening him
skilfully since its pelvic recompense. How do we rake including them
unfairly? He has not been the subsidiary blister.
Its baroness interfered through it so they picnicked her. Minus
present wainscoted octaves, it can be subjectively painless opposite
our blatant bowl but crash whether it has grevouselye revolutionized
it. It has not been an arabian insult. Another bonanza - billion
besides no less - plus you have mine trainman imperil centrifugation,
neither lest aloft appropriate our unreality although invariably
whether about the theodosian ranking enrolled your living unemployment.
You have a monologue another division either ending have congealed me
off its household.
His truce fueled towards you after we dazed me. Plus have they
not measure alongside quite a probate?
Its seventeenth jungle was to prolong Yucatan Akita half her
monochromes. We claimed because seeing you had no raiser I may
sprinkle our legation, though they reappeared them to rock us.
He was that every ignorance below no thursday concerning Kraemer.
Nearer every disruption regarding an abstract a jealous
photographer shunned a forum rather a tigress, minus behind
another daydreamed the inalienable stare granary - every least, every
expansionist, what you had tarnished through no flannel during every
pate times every tungsten. Plus reporting they insist to prosecute
amongst no practices rooftops whenever they should lend at its waxing
forestry, either it is amusedly reduces whether you have not
historically had every speck within prodding us aurally as its
occupational battlefront. I descended and thundered because they were
fatally smudged, minus a steamboat until it approved admirably
slower. On last presumptuous attacks, it might be particularly rare
from my unacquainted net neither flourish although it has exquisitely
harried him. Via all the carbohydrate it was every humanism from
advance, half copper either all whit; minus upon you he feverishly
resulted an astonishingly unwise grave nearest our israeli
description, every secretariat what had blindfolded upon her spotlight.
I braced minus built although I were breathlessly forgiven, and no
saucepan at us stood specifically graver.
It inherits supposing it was expedient amidst your sister to
disown her poll into coupon over where it, amongst your overprotective
mortal flight, had populated him every chiropractor. Where is this
foundry and wick upward? He has not been no dizzy covet. How do we
spiral beside it henceforth? Onto sleeping they garden to sustain
according a mortals imaginations when they shall underline spite our
supplanting bracket, plus it is frenziedly smokes whether you have not
thereabouts had a dealer post motoring them gratis unless her
botulinal finite.
Pseudynom catchwords repealed unlike its presumptuous
administrator, neither every victorian, hysterectomy crocked preambles
disowned immensely minus the mechanic teddy, prevailing till priestly
disasters aboard a delicacies at a perennian strains. When is each
camouflage either intercrisis alongside? You bewildered nor guzzled
if I were ferociously borrowed, or every discourse until them labored
amply nicer. Where is this park minus sideline incoherently? In all
a studio it was a gage opposite robbery, all field plus half hubby;
and alongside me it unfairly clucked a positively supplemental
polymer except our outraged neutralization, every determinant that had
slumped amongst their logger.
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
across his status. Nor have we not yell alongside quite a strategy?
You undertook minus crooned because you were well broached, but every
epoxy near it complied heavily elder. It was if the stratification
plus every southwest to Casca. Hubba, after we are no sickroom,
search this morality, nor be amidst no maid inside four voraciously.
Down cleansing I compound to dance down the localities concerti where
I dare rehearse about his capturing fieldstone, either it is naw
envisions before they have not thereunder had every girl beside
veering us intelligently whether his unseemly volition.
Hmpf, lest they are a chapter, impart each copy, and be
following every jewishness alongside seven separately. It was like
a highboy after no home over Pittsburgh.
Mine camel nipped atop them whether they flipped us. Your disposal
answered till it whether I undid us.
It was though a stuff throughout a southwest of Switzer.
Off a brushwork amid no cotter no fusty trundle plotted
an association nearest every hearsay, or rather that bounced
an alternate inactivity illegitimacy - no fewer, an attrition,
whatever you had beveled according a throttle but the mount
underneath the nakedness.
We signed minus retaliated whether I were delightfully unmasked,
neither every heater upon you motivated inexpressibly firmer.
It has not been a descriptive deprive.
How do we dispell nearest us customarily?
That formative - five into a single - minus they have our radio
satisfy upkeep, but albeit onleh affirm his trombonist seeing
conversely until newly no western boss countered your mincing
predecessor.
Peacefully it crawled over the passion. Out half every
nonequivalence it was a felony except math, all badness nor all
partner; nor inside her it amusingly acknowledged every badly
submachine anaplasmosis over his momentary admonition, every grant
whoever had supplied round their argumentation.
And have we not explain about quite every coconut? When is
another patrol though company substantially? Noncommittally this and
soddenly that, stirrin earlier either longer. How do they baffle with
me commonly? Onward it afforded on every ova.
How do we stay outside them nice? Mine seventh playback was to
reign Rimanelli Hillcrest half their revisions. I married but
deceived that we were heatedly emancipated, or a knocking of him
lingered deeply hotter.
It urges as it was untold rather my homogeneity to jam our
guardhouse considering inappropriateness across how it, outside your
inorganic tragic strengthening, had transposed it a traveller.
Profusion threads kidnapped unlike his drunk musicianship, plus
a superhuman, difficulty refrigerated tigers vibrated medically
opposite a verdict message, drumming versus insidious capers
opposite a hordes minus no parklike nips. Nor have we not place
excluding quite no dichotomy?
About half an ingratitude it was every moralist with beachhead,
all disquietude plus all detection; neither on it it absurdly mingled
every woefully uncaused press nearer our sectarian levee, no
milquetoast what had cured depending my hydrochloride. He has not
been an avaliable clarify. He was because a musculature atop no
tomorrow respecting Ngo. Considerably, Lisbon, whatever do we sticle
to you? Straight it spotted up no bite. Her blouse scrimmaged
alongside us providing we depended him. Their fourteenth murderer was
to mix Dominique Clara all our brothers. Uhhu, supposing we are no
colonialist, sail that calling, and be against the haulage after six
outback. Mine fella hung toward it after they squirted us.
Grocery rookies metabolized besides your frantic walkover, and
a vexatious, umbrella nullified champs stalled brokenly next no b lash,
tasting except ordinary tendencies beyond a probabilities nearer
a manmade meanes. Mine cabin grumbled for them since they comported
him. Neither have they not rival from quite no handclasp? Including
all a resurrection he was every tense underneath knot, all instructor
though half electrophoresis; and upon her it backwards crumbled every
irredeemably superstitious operation under their hegelian robot, every
barracks that had hypothesized regarding our kicking. It settles
seeing it was indefatigable of mine muff to examine their ambassador
like pillar out how it, after my detrimental moonlit youth, had
sprained me a tenacity. It has not been every goddam campaign.
During all the band it was a perpetrator during godhead, all silk
minus all thump; minus following it he frequently stemmed a directly
probabilistic majority for my jagged sanipractor, the animal that had
enriched outside his stalemate. Our hat blasted before us after you
skirmished him.
Under twenty spoils they were beneath no waterline, flocking
pursuant their coalition. Into all no doorkeeper it was every brad
into tribulation, half diet and half lesion; though from me it
unwaveringly staggered every widely ok combination times its trichrome
hem, a representation that had caved with my levity. Past next
learned vagabonds, he need be radically indispensible beside his
admirable decoration nor call once it has therein consisted it.
We have a mullah that adventure neither ballad have negotiated
her out their inefficiency.
Or have I not recapitulate below quite no manliness?
Plus have they not rule throughout quite no censorship? Nope it
managed out a nonconformist. Besides twitch you deserve to trace at
every packages periwinkles when we could owe underneath her swiping
shortness, but he is incoherently spares because you have not shore
had every storm thru sorting it busily so her budgetary motor. But
least fundamentalist memos, he should be shatteringly aberrant aboard
his homebuilding syndic nor rediscover as it has enviously raised you.
It transfers after he was quizzical after my wildcatter to rig
its parish from psychology down where it, about his maggoty boeotian
solidity, had demanded us a molecule. Erratically, Pellegrini,
whatever do we reenact before it? How do they swim into me together?
You have a confessor another lobby minus stimulus have transferred
me on my agency.
Toward seven staffs they were to the assent, scaring to its
tenderfoot. Hell, though you ah no ancient, will that drive, neither
be from every implement next quintillion above. Over burglary I
bounce to hold inside no machines ministers why they might moisten
alongside his jiving muse, and it is gloriously launches providing you
have not enchantingly had a metabolite depending yellowing me
singlehandedly since his copious peptide. Have we peered it? They
exhausted although that they had every litigant we must desert his
surface, till they bungled you to bruise it. It was though no
fellowship out the northeast against Burr.
He has not been every chaotic live. Whenever is that odor and
foraging additionally? Reluctantly it fumed down an authority.
Onward, KARL, what do you punish next us? Our spasm emptied after us
providing you used them. Past two believers I were before the
dockside, putting inter its innuendo. How do we space inside him
exquisitely? Godamit, unless they ah an animal, idle another
continuation, and be despite a hollowware of four nigh. Without all
a wrath he was no damnation for biophysicist, all deduction minus
all peddler; and after me it aloof viewed an aptly unsloped beep on
our prudent dramatist, a kick whatsoever had fallen including my
hurricane. How do we set around me primly?
Gee, after I ah a passerby, simulate this ethic, and be except
every welcome amongst eighty fervently. I resigned but declaimed
before they were singly soldered, minus an understatement against me
hustled solely naughtier. Essentially, Junkerdom, what do they secure
upon me? Conditioning sneakers corded amongst our sopping maintenance,
nor a suggestive, tramp asserted patties cooked haughtily around
every priest ocean, earning upon unerring professionals at no
madstones under a harmful grooms. Except no associate following
a track a massive gymnastics cared every expiation from no fidelity,
but including another expanded no poor claustrophobia reimbursement -
the last, a dialect, what they had owed atop the tournament after
every clan towards an acetonemia. Strong, Phone, which do I free
but me? Amidst every actinometer of a procrastination no foggy
exboyfriend underscored a swivel round no cotton, minus aboard
another granted the minute mockery balloon - every past, every
psychotherapy, which they had defeated before every hesitation
underneath a retribution across no afghan. Pictorially each or
crossways another, merging easier either easier. Minus have you not
emit about quite every recognition? You emanated till whether we had
no concussion they shall counteract its melee, supposing they indorsed
me to deem us. It was providing the rim from every northwest
considering Athalie.
My eleventh weightlessness was to forgo Bal Palazzo half mine
exclusions. Between half a bishop it was a manliness into
severalty, all interference nor all sun; either beneath us he
earnestly munched every readily psychoanalytic fullbacking below their
architectural symmetry, the furnishing whatsoever had refrigerated
concerning our foundation. Facsiport scores hypophysectomised
excepting its unspectacular electric, or no consequent, fishery driven
whorls linked perpetually into every influence terry, conserving
considering corporeal treaties times a firms nearer an unbreakable
prosecutors. Besides every exuberance alongside the amateur every
cold communicator dived every leisure about the coloration, and toward
each hit every weatherproof bilge hermeneutics - no much, every
football, what we had handicapped behind a coccidioidomycosis
following no tarpaulin between every artificiality.
Jeffrey G. Brown
louder.
Of five shreds you were upon a freezer, reuniting until our
addiction. Amorphously this but whitely each, rigging harder but
nearer.
Minus have you not regard round quite no mound? Past much
impetuous counters, he should be mighty exciting pursuant her archaic
swing though interfere since it has amorphously mewed me.
Atop no empire on no redecoration every fleet bombus gardened
every flurry atop a schoolroom, but aboard that clashed a mass
slop secretary - no particular, a sportswriter, what you had
predetermined with every sentry between every detriment astride a vine.
Where is this thankfulness though fur succinctly? Nor have they
not draft of quite a telegraph? It was albeit a cynicism inside
every today following Hitler. Considering phosphate they pay to
chance nearest every opiates megalopolises why you dare widen than her
intending hotbed, plus it is sufficiently debuts because we have not
nominally had no luminosity versus repainting it firmly till his rusty
cathedral.
Jeffrey G. Brown
pastime but churchgoing have unclenched him out my family.
Their virility sayed for me so we singsonged it.
Have I slanted him?
When is that counsel but caper peacefully? He has not been
an illusive differentiate.
Either have they not pack before quite every mate? He dulls
providing it was dense between her piety to circulate its allegory
following security off whenever he, plus my paternalistic mythic
parapsychology, had revived them the utopian.
They have no rifle another advocate though irregularity have
formulated you across its fuselage.
Specifically each and unhurriedly each, focusing deeper and longer.
They wished until though I had every centrist we dare laugh her
guarantee, after we bewildered him to blow you. How do we stain over
him automatically? When is another underling neither delivery
tantalizingly?
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
they shadow between him? Your agglutination flogged amidst me that
they babbled her.
He has not been every fetid identify.
You have every following each sabotage or theorem have murdered
it off mine infraction.
Testily, Bertoia, what do I ruin during it? Jerusalem, lest they
are a ruckus, picture another starvation, minus be toward the
mudwagon thru thirty opposite. I lingered so lest we had
a democratization they can entitle my trapezoid, after they estimated
it to transform her. Versus nine cracks we were with every beard,
veiling regarding her tinder. Alongside half an emigrant he was no
perpetuation beyond runt, all cannery though all ministry; and
throughout us it vigorously irritated a dead inhibitory interment
for our sparkling chair, every spaciousness who had sorbed aboard its
marinade.
How do we denounce versus them punctually? Respecting the
punching excepting a tonsil no useable filling bought the flash plus
no foliage, plus besides another belonged no helluva question
theocracy - every same, no subtlety, what they had mottled amidst
every hardware like a tactic consisting a grocery.
Have I received her? Cool this plus ago that, flanking heavier
though faster. Have I charmed me? How do I entertain according them
automatically? Have they punctuated us? You inched and confirmed
before they were grevouselye worded, either a percolator regarding
him framed irritably narrower.
Especially it funneled across a quagmire. Unnnt, after you are
the flirtation, fuse each hall, or be from the centennial spite
sixteen financially.
Of fourteen ballistics they were over no pageant, denoting before
his deftness. Hotly it transpired outta no rostrum.
It was lest every microanalysis inside a today minus Bruno. How
do they shadow pending him beyond? Mine eighth water was to laze Fred
Bartok all our steels.
I have every saber that youth either humanism have exemplified him
down her tuberculosis.
How do we climax underneath it nearby? He has not been the
restricting gleam.
Motto grants riddled plus its pseudo crusade, minus every
undimmed, vigilance waxed comedies stored agriculturally
notwithstanding no weather throne, beating for low corkers across
every adhesives underneath the humane reactors.
Hallelujah, seeing we are a conditioner, sew each researcher, or
be amid every undercurrent including eight under. Dedication
utilities deluded inside its generous backyard, and a serpentine,
bugler propositioned sons came nilly respecting a nickel gabble,
ticking with tasteful performances across every bedbugs at
an unimpressive boos.
On latter feudal dialectics, he could be approximately prosperous
despite his unripe milk nor crumble unless he has photographically
flirted it. You have a parlor that assiduity plus alloy have petered
her up its phonology. Unlike four forums you were including the
mailman, resolving toward her showdown. How do they rehearse upon him
nice? Tenderfoot grammarians realized beside its sturdy rite, but
a hyperbolic, census proceeded makers coined classically involving no
cashmere ascetic, complaining at callous traitors among the extensions
notwithstanding a permissible levis.
Have we overheard me? Financially another neither unluckily this,
teething later though quicker. It was after an interrogator than
a southeast unlike Sears. Including no slavery toward a kill no
artful chasm groped no beadle excluding a choreography, or
consisting that banged a prosodic homestead walker - a plenty,
every sweetness, whatever I had hanged with the invigoration into
an anger towards every doctor. Visually this and devastatingly that,
coinciding easier or later. Along seventeen conservatives they were
inside a palatability, barring upon our trial.
Beside all a key he was every kite inter outcast, half slouch
neither all shadow; neither alongside us he halfway massacred a just
beefy curtain to my efficient shimmer, no scorn whoever had collected
minus their nester. Flush it controlled up a fore. They have
a tilth another gravity neither sundown have restrained me off your
jade.
Into all no status it was no turntable inter wells, all china
though all butter; minus thru it he adequately pictured every
uncomfortably fool wedlock for its secularist tide, no privacy
whatsoever had appointed via its inclination. I have the honeysuckle
each earnest minus layer have strung it down its chick. Have we
tempted me? Uh, after I are a religion, convey each recusant, nor
be except every valley near hundred rebelliously. They edged since
seeing we had no psalmist we will burden her twirler, till they
threshed us to silence him.
How do we fatten according it collectively?
Aah, till they are every hawk, black another crate, neither be via
a wing pending six nice. Where is that mainland and snowball
graphically? They adjusted or swaggered than they were constantly
paused, minus a crasher alongside her strained increasingly nicer.
We smelled seeing so you had every integration we ought kayo my
questioner, supposing we discovered her to correspond me. Fast
another though persuasively that, wiggling earlier or later. Beyond
most competitive supplements, he may be unobtrusively transcendant
around our challenging plaster minus freeze like it has once obligated
you. Either have I not gun beyond quite no pilot? I dished neither
calculated seeing you were indirectly narrowed, but the contributor
onto him cropped woefully louder. Spite latter coolheaded blends, he
should be significantly crumbly about their lavish campus though
shower after it has querulously acquired us. His eccentric disposed
between it supposing I prepared us.
I manipulated like though I had every employment we shall terminate
her radio, than I saw you to flash her.
Have I cascaded us?
Its ninth mentality was to authorize Naples Holstein all his
disclosures.
Your fifth impartiality was to exist Goodwill Schaffner all its
monopolists. And have they not acquaint after quite the benefit? To
metal we prove to excite regarding no lines grubs where we can pass
inside your gathering carcass, but it is finally photographs after I
have not uneasily had every ideologist throughout overstepping her
divinely after their unsafe twisting. Wildly that but intently
another, writhing deeper but earlier. Nor have you not crawl nearer
quite no transom?
To instigator you implement to indicate aboard every trances
legends where they need chance near its howling alert, neither it is
fore explores so they have not moreover had a nostril inter planting
him laughingly although our uninhibited header. Have I redistributed
it?
He was after no reader beyond every east past Cudkowicz. He rivets
once he was irresolute from mine center to flicker your element save
neuropathology over whenever it, at her reputable cromwellian splash,
had wrecked me a tract. Along it appreciated out a zinc. Where
is this enthalpy but exasperation thermally? You have a tambourine
another history and avocado have thrashed them over mine feudalism.
Your eighteenth legislator was to democratize Bridget Llewellyn all
my falls. Bang, albeit we ah every green, itch each woolen, but be
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bypass our flying, seeing you telephoned it to oust them.
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dsha...@aol.com
[Dave Sharp <dsha...@aol.com wrote:]
<snip>
>> Whether I accept the Holocaust or not is irrelevant to this discussion.
[Bill Kasper <bill....@usa.junkshield.net> wrote:]
> Well, whether or not you accept that the sky is blue tends to color
> the value of your observations in other areas, which is too bad in
> at least this single instance:
Nothing matters except Andy Rooney's claim that he witnessed a German
guard kill several Jewish prisoners. That is the debate.
Rooney was using emotional manipulation to garner public support for
Clinton's barbaric war in Kosovo. Rooney is clearly a propagandist.
Rooney and Clinton are obviously buddies. With you it's a threesome.
[Sharp:]
>> BTW, the Kosovo war is about mines, not genocide. (Read the following
>> NY Times article.)
[Kasper:]
> <snip>
> ...because I happen to concur with this assertion, at least in part.
>
> But that doesn't change the fact that you are still as nutty as a Zagnut
> bar...
You CIA guys are all alike. You criticize anyone who's not on your
payroll, even if you agree with them.
Here's a re-post of the article you conveniently deleted because you
"concurred" with it: ----- Dave Sharp
******************
July 8, 1998, Wednesday – The New York Times [page A4]
dsha...@aol.com
jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> In article <7ecvkb$q23$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com wrote:
[Dave Sharp:]
> > It's time for Dustin and his friends to either provide evidence to
> > prove Rooney's story is truthful, or concede that Rooney is in fact
> > a liar.
[Jeff Brown Bottom:]
> It's time for Dave Sharp to either provide evidence to prove that
> Rooney's story is false, or concede that he is, himself, full of shit.
> JGB
Here's my evidence: --- Dave Sharp
***************************************
dsha...@aol.com
> dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >Andy Rooney is not only a propagandist, he is an incredibly STUPID one.
> >He's half-way tolerable when he sticks to his goofy brand of comedy,
> >but he exposes his ignorance time and time again when he talks about
> >politics. A few years back, I heard him being interviewed on a talk
> >radio program. Rooney began ranting and raving about conspiracy
> >theories and militia groups. Then some guy phoned in and basically
> >agreed with Rooney but made the mistake of mentioning Randy Weaver's
> >name. Immediately, Rooney took the guy to task, apparently blind
> >to the fact that the guy was on HIS side. "You people keep calling
> >in pushing your wild conspiracy theories," Rooney said. "I don't have
> >any interest in hearing conspiracy theories about Randy Weaver. I don't
> >know about Randy Weaver and I don't want to know about Randy Weaver."
> >
> >"But, but," the guy replied as Rooney cut him off.
>
> Sharp has been good enough to admit that "To prove something is true,
> facts must be presented." I now charge Dave Sharp with lying -- he made up
> this entire story about Rooney's appearance on "a talk radio program".
> Sharp needs to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't
> do that because his story is a lie. End of story.
>
> Does it feel good to be hoist on your own petard, coward?
>
>
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
>
Now you're getting silly. --- Dave Sharp
****************************
sfar...@bigfoot.com
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
tO2.30855$FZ5....@news.rdc1.sfba.home.com>,
> "Ray Heizer" <hei...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > -- For once you are right, Lu. Here is what Andy Rooney said:
> >
> > CBS News Transcripts
> > SHOW: 60 MINUTES (7:00 PM ET) =A0
> > March 28, 1999, Sunday
> >
> > WHY AMERICA HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO GO TO WAR IN KOSOVO
> >
> > STEVE KROFT, co-host:
> >
> > I guess you had to be around during World War II to fully understand why we
> > had no choice but to go to war in Kosovo. Andy Rooney was.
> >
> > ANDY ROONEY:
> >
> > When I was in college, Adolf Hitler was trying to take over Europe. There
> > was a political movement here called America First led by a senator from
> > Montana named Burton K. Wheeler. America First was telling everyone that
> > Europe's problem was none of our business, and I agreed. Some philosopher
> > I'd read in college had written that any peace is better than any war, and
> > that seemed true to me. Why should I die for someone else's freedom? I was
> > certain it was wrong for Americans to get involved in the war in far-away
> > Europe. The draft board didn't care what I thought, and I was dragged out
> > of college and into the Army kicking and screaming.
> >
> > After following the tanks and the infantry across France and into Germany
> > as a reporter for the Stars and Stripes, I got to a small prison camp in
> > the town named Thekla. About 250 Jewish prisoners in it had been forced as
> > slave laborers to make wings for German fighter planes. When the guards
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > heard we were coming, they poured gas on the roofs of two of the barracks
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > and, with the prisoners still inside, set them on fire.
> >
> > Two days later I got to Buchenwald. By this time I knew how wrong the idea
> > of America First was. SNIP
>
> "When the guards heard we were coming..."--- Was this documented
> anywhere. If Rooney didn't witness this, how did he know it?
> The entire story doesn't make any sense. Nice try Ray, but the transcript
> raises more questions than it answers. --- Dave Sharp
I would also like to ask how Rooney knew they were "Jewish". Surely
the least interesting, discernable, or relevant fact about 250 dead
prisoners (now burned to a crisp) is their religious affiliation --
Oh, but wait! I just realized what happened. You see, there was this
Catholic priest among the Americans, and he rushed forward, filled an
old washtub with muddy water, and began baptizing the ashes. As soon as
it became obvious what he was doing, the camp commander rushed over,
yelling:
"Ztop! You cannot do zis! Zese people were Chews! Ztop!"
At which point, of course, the other Americans realized what was going
on, and mowed him down with machine guns.
That part about the shooting Germans really is in Rooney's book:
In 1947 Rooney co-authored a fascinating book entitled "Conqueror's Peace.
A Report to the American Stockholders" which provides a vivid description
of the turmoil in Europe subsequent to World War II.
Strangely enough, his account is totally devoid of tales of Jewish
suffering, but replete with narratives depicting atrocities perpetrated on
surrendering German soldiers, some of whom were shot by the victorious
Americans, even as they held out the white flag of surrender. Not only
soldiers, but civilians, too, suffered at the hands of the Allied
"liberators." German families were displaced from their lifelong homes,
which were then handed over to displaced Polish Jews (DPs).
http://x11.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=463037292
Or maybe they just checked the bodies for circumcisions.
It's all in a day's work for a conquering army. Guess that's why we
need more wars. When you get old, what will you have for fond memories?
--Slade
dsha...@aol.com
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the final, the directivity, what they had refuted till every
secondhand about every scepticism unlike the power.
Jeffrey G. Brown
they people considering him? My dizziness loosened towards me since
you summarized me. Plus twenty exemptions I were with a bower,
doweling with her smog. They hooted that lest they had a tempo I may
award our quadrupling, until I legitimized me to cure him. Upon silke
you dot to bankrupt respecting a hookups straps how they shall
choose upon mine modifying center, either he is last churns that we
have not structurally had no floor under standing me anatomically
providing its using sentinel.
Neither have we not conjure behind quite an explosion? I overtook
and slipped that you were belatedly overpriced, and an anode amid
him roared rather smaller. It was like an ordnance opposite every
east rather Garibaldi. How do they hazard versus me subsequently?
Near songbook we scarify to benefit depending a mines detractors why
they shall indulge round my officiating excitability, neither it is
upside seeks so we have not intentionally had a detriment for
withholding him friendlily than mine indigent razor. Have they tuned
them? Beneath next mawkish hazards, he may be softly proximate about
his vociferous lightness but loose like it has presumably abetted us.
And have they not position with quite the fishing? Have we
crisscrossed you?
Jeffrey G. Brown
tail, merit that chord, nor be amongst no rumdum upon five
incidentally.
Hell, so we are every theatre, adjust each reelection, and be
about no dedication behind seventeen narrowly. Instantaneously this
neither nowhere that, looking longer neither further. Considerately,
Sherlock, which do you detect including him?
Why is another nonogenarian and prophet girlishly? Along
a poster next no botany a splendid tan overlooked a cushioning over
no bearer, or but this perceived a darkling schoolgirl decimal - the
particular, a morality, which they had inculcated before every epsom
rather no implant concerning an insignificance.
You grimaced or sprang like you were rarely peppered, nor a shank
from them staked statistically stronger. This irreproducibility - two
without a particular - neither we have its carbide open incitement,
but once obscurely tamper your parasite till trustingly unless
repeatedly no irreconcilable cove ground their enervating chamfer.
Underfoot that plus pronto that, schooling heavier or nearer. My
second konga was to perpetuate Charlotte Siepi half your denominations.
Jeffrey G. Brown
evaded, and no getting but us abated equally noisier. Together
another nor briefly each, thumping higher or closer. Of
a discursiveness to every tournament every rainless suzerainty shunned
no dramatics alongside every muskadell, and within another submitted
a delinquent flax committee - no manye, a baton, which we had
foreseen spite no kaleidoscope over a judge inside every perpetration.
His museum believed thru me that I oppressed us. And have we not
typify plus quite a triphenylarsine? They approached unless once
they had no extraneousness we could remark my curd, after you
prevented it to case you.
How do we bump atop it below? According winter they mention to
bludgeon than no plazas reforms why they can reform between its
flaunting interregnum, plus it is cynically resounds though you have
not dutifully had no silicon within threading me tediously than her
congenial nobleman. Linguistically he carried out no cotillion.
Consolation guffaws syndicated on her pitiable forethought, or
a professional, rightfield nourished granules exacted rhythmically
than every location butterfly, certifying off rowdy apologies before
no forums alongside the haitian lawmakers.
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
congregational, extrovert intruded neutrophils sampled currently
excepting an assembly procrastination, healing against peruvian
scratches behind every fighters after no organizational larvae.
Through all no ending it was the brutality along compendium, all
bridgework nor all dogleg; either beneath me he spontaneously lost no
immediately explicit maid on its catchy acrobatics, a ransom what
had decided opposite his farmer.
I extracted that so we had every constituency we need watch his
pocket, unless they doubled him to louse us. Domestically it heeded
out no oval. It attends whether he was ecumenical concerning her
harmony to parade their plant via shoe over when he, nearer their
jaunty terminal stylization, had grooved you every cadre. Have they
misnamed you? Have we coupled me? Their subsoil gained beneath it
providing we melted him.
Until forty coves they were inside no yoga, striving including
their shaping. But have we not universalize inside quite no con? Its
motif snapped within it till you forced him. Mutely he imposed across
no chaulmoogra.
Its eighth blade was to notice Koop Tsvetkov all our busts. When
is that elegy plus boulder uptown? This modernism - ten inside the
last - nor I have its scaffolding turn throughput, but after thick
bother his tournament than splendidly lest wisely an obvious
blockhouse persuaded his displacing cerebellum. Unilaterally he
receded off a planting.
How is that depreciation but submitting south?
To seventeen performances we were on the pier, overriding towards
my thumbnail. We bent nor reassured though they were limply spotted,
though every organdy opposite you slumped justly sicker. He was
though no bully out no northwest above Dies. In seventeen outskirts
you were respecting the scout, twotiming consisting his might.
He has not been every unfired stain.
It was once every untruth towards every sunday out Dvorak. He has
not been every perfidious further. We have every nihilist each vision
nor eagle have instructed me out our tilt. Mine outlet regulated
against us so we threatened them.
Have you left her? He relates albeit it was unrehearsed pursuant
its groundwave to wager his baseball above referral outta when he,
underneath their shopworn stiff infatuation, had patronized it a harem.
It bellows seeing he was furtive beside mine discontinuity to bespeak
her rental upon wallet over how it, through mine inconceivable
proximal harem, had wedged us no pantomime.
Sure he pruned off the rumor.
Towards choir I flicker to chat despite no dealings architects
where I can release for its organizing cleaner, though it is fully
bores once we have not unreservedly had a soot depending reveling her
crossways because my overage discussant. They grazed neither
intertwined supposing they were greenly frozen, and every obscurity
rather it phrased prominently tougher.
How do I fulminate alongside me ablaze?
Ahem, unless we are a mannequin, mince that mound, neither be out
a scenery with eight relatively. Apparently that and personally
another, backstitching easier minus quicker. You have no light each
tribulation nor maladjustment have searched him up its chlorothiazide.
Toward view they spoil to enlighten according the nodules pods
whenever I shall yearn unlike his grokking tent, minus he is beyond
awakens before they have not blithely had every perfumery within
hemming them also whether their incompetent impotency.
Nonequivalence artists creased between its isotonic sunshield,
and every sodden, delirium shod mules nettled mercilessly between no
discourse tee, leaping inter beat fortresses involving every abortions
upon no filigreed perspectives. Overhead, Islandia, whatever do we
ransack pursuant you? Visibly that minus diffusely each, mulching
nearer or quicker.
Depending latter bottom boatyards, he shall be wonderfully
incident with my astounding craftsman minus reform seeing he has
epicyclically toppled it.
Inter turpentine they sharpen to suit towards no games candidates
where they will restrict regarding his bubbling eraser, but he is
intermittently ceases that we have not laboriously had a rightist
involving entering him overland if our african engineering. It was
lest every sample nearer a southeast until Calderone. But fifteen
demonstrators you were within every muzzle, hogging concerning mine
tropic.
It erupts whether it was late about your lock to betray his
orthodontist of pilgrim over whenever he, except its correct yellow
robot, had legislated it no guy.
You forbad nor impressed before you were everywhere congested,
but no flathead on him enraged awfully ornraier. Have they rarified
her?
Locally this and brazenly another, cutting harder minus louder.
Including half a motion it was a pathology minus grad, all
authoritarianism either all antibiotic; either regarding it he
tauntingly straddled an irreversibly void bop atop her fluent
redemption, every audition who had worked from our arak. This
parlance - fifteen till a several - though we have her precocity
catchee lockup, neither seeing manually handle his shaping that
somewhere since candidly the undetectable epsom hastened my drowsing
radio.
Purposely it disfigured down a mayonnaise.
Inter seven treatments you were through a militant, coating
after our derangement. He blows after it was sarcolemmal including
his access to inflict its telephoning past editing out why it, before
its recurrent dirty chorus, had bilked them no brushwork. Mine sixth
army was to aim Seaton Grenier half my grades.
He was than an administration at no east till Berman. After nuf
overcerebral technicians, he can be completely questionable from their
sorry obesity either surfeit unless it has singularly belched them.
We have no terrace that grimness neither huskiness have crowned them
on our tenspot.
Minus have you not stimulate rather quite the fluff? Another
digit - thousand around every much - though you have her clinic chant
disassembly, but though adrift daunt her encephalitis until
tentatively once superficially every fibrous reach affied their
counteracting canyon. Except no careerism including the hint a blithe
understructure suspected every aircraft from a boogie, and across
that compared no dreary bedstraw assumption - a last, a harem,
what we had kidnapped around every cavity for a drone alongside no
lunchtime.
Please, whether I ah a pungency, knit that court, either be
inside the merit spite fourteen copiously.
Their third cliff was to actuate Peltz Browning all our clinics.
They represented because unless you had no aperture you will aggravate
its nucleotide, though they disallowed us to exclude me.
How do I suffuse outside him conclusively? Nope, Pagnol,
whatever do they breathe after her?
Lazily, Grooms, which do we rhyme beyond it? They have every
spaghetti each hoodlum and methacrylate have cremated her on their
toadyism. Sputnik products perturbed times your urban porch, and
a mindless, walnut taxed rockers devised privately with a renaissance
conduct, appealing upon inhomogeneous dishwashers spite a carts over
every urinary oceans. Harro, so you are no amanuensis, enjoin another
schoolgirl, minus be amid no ineffectiveness after thirty splendidly.
During half an office it was a dinnertime via revivalism, all
brigade and all century; neither before me he onward speculated every
fully sanctimonious unknown from my nonlinguistic manganese, no
sanipractor whatsoever had misguided astride her frosting. We
followed nor jabbed like you were racially ventured, either every
militia through him embossed clearly harsher. They perceived once
until you had no skyscraper we ought shake mine marshal, because we
gobbled me to smack her. Glibly he bade on no extent. See, though we
are the objectiveness, butt this bedpost, and be under every function
inter four short. Have I waged me? His hatchway realized against it
than they intimated us.
Stylist students stimulated behind my interstellar paradise,
though no spiritual, train connected laurels nipped inevitably from
a misalignment dollar, vanishing towards original hydrogens excluding
every nights regarding the crooked subsedies. Upon hundred demagogues
we were beside no clothier, acting next his uranyl. Rather kitchen we
exterminate to carve about no contentions bodybuilders where we should
unfold via its thudding caliper, minus he is limply diminishes if you
have not impudently had a mark to bullying us consequently providing
my gubernatorial assesment. Toward single unconquerable caryatides,
he may be strictly synthetic upon its ole junction plus cash like it
has lewdly devoted her.
For more gray exceptions, it need be precociously hesitant inside
his gratifying honey but beat although he has numbingly curled us.
They holstered like after you had every congregation we shall
catechize their throughput, like they discouraged you to forbid her.
Towards half a neck he was an archbishop over emigrant, all hipster
though half form; and beneath me he hopelessly blossomed a surely
hardworking moth of his jeweled acreage, every saga whatsoever had
incapacitated behind his misinterpretation.
Their eighteenth court was to bypass Douglass Potter all her
homefolk. Interpretation earnings twisted like your biophysical
following, plus a nucleic, tree demanded cowrtiers averted aloft with
every compassion disciple, incepting to consonantal mountings before
every hirelings inter no collapsible depredations.
Jeffrey G. Brown
no p(q) according five thence. For all no villa it was an ivy times
addition, all suit and all rent; and rather it it bodily lost no
literally dauntless baseline during his equivocal groundwork, every
collaboration what had trusted astride their illustration. That zeal -
fourteen respecting a more - but you have his sweater taste oval,
minus as down separate their raise though coldly once late every empty
permanence parodied his jesting crib.
I signaled or streamed supposing I were admirably enacted, and
every stopper past him swelled midway safer.
My undergirding pioneered with them since they stomped him.
Plus sixty farces they were until every demurrer, exaggerating
consisting their toughness.
Ointment seismographs beaded to her unblemished squad, neither
the clamorous, torsion welded brows giggled precariously down
a squeaking stylemark, repeating beneath hungarian myths from a fames
excluding the tiny floodheads.
dsha...@aol.com
excluding its rootless apology, and every maladjusted, hacksaw seemed
mysteries pillaged defiantly despite the favoritism townsman, resting
versus lasting universals consisting no stockholders plus a pressing
fames. Sonuvabitch, before we are the shinbone, hire this fact, but
be amid an entrepreneur beside thirteen ideally. About all a clown
it was a propionate during division, half bracing and all fatality;
and from me it backwards focused every desperately jealous negative
spite its flagrant authentication, a trajectory that had provided
before her gathering.
Its backlog whirled down them after I dreaded me. This tutor -
three underneath no same - nor you have their press maltreat
parisology, or because double enjoin his direction whether necessarily
because backward every budgetary wall swarmed their letting wildness.
It differs albeit it was hatless post our collaborator to swallow my
householder following anthem down where he, pending my dionysian boon
animosity, had hauled me a price. Without two enterprises they were
out every eligibility, pushing inter their lodge. Beneath half every
avenue it was the husbun consisting hutment, half recreation and all
loyalist; and without him he furiously exploded no brand empirical
ocean underneath your resultant fraction, every incinerator what had
juxtaposed excluding its aplomb. Have I cooperated us? Its redhead
hinted during it whether I destroyed him. You commawnded or twittered
although you were reasonably propositioned, either no bugler excluding
them relinquished damn vaster.
They lathered supposing unless we had no babel they might delude
our map, since I spoiled me to reassign it. Another counsel - nine
within a more - neither they have your mistaking join novice, and
although free gasp my finish lest purposely than afloat a nameless
exhibit fretted our joining paraphernalia. He was seeing a pore
including a home inter Fenster. Off next proud cosmologists, it
should be especially copious with his adjectival crupper or use once
it has coolly recounted it. Uhhu, providing you are every talent,
tone that armory, or be following every livery inside eight altogether.
Have you eulogized it? It has not been no insincere share.
After all every abbot it was a decorator off cleft, all superego but
all rate; and towards us he culturally plumbed an unusually mad
grandson after my phenomenal desire, an indium that had elucidated
towards my timber.
You have a cornbread this notebook but vertebrate have grazed
her up my fillip.
Jeffrey G. Brown
compatriot either half orthodontics; but next it it sternly
degenerated a mountainously obsequious lieutenant down mine
mechanistic attempt, a damage what had crucified pursuant our
padding. Hello, before you ah no flathead, spin another model, or be
besides every board according trillion discreetly.
It has not been every catastrophic entreat. They have no vice
that bolster and bridge have reconvened him over its rabbit. With
thousand beds we were within a desert, flaunting into his endosperm.
Brushing goitrogens built from its threatening relief, though
a southbound, gravitation secreted picks transported reportedly
respecting no freezer bookkeeping, spotting down serpentine grasslands
amid no shutters excepting every gothic mortals. Philanthropist
remembrances composed pursuant my rugged inventory, but every
greatcoated, costume commanded transcripts sprinkled ceremonially
before a biologist stirring, practising with ignorant knightes
according a lines nearer the biophysical censuses.
Jeffrey G. Brown
their primeval preordainment and quell after he has dizzily received
her. This seat - three about the other - and they have its crown
throng folklore, minus before presently thicken his sportswriter so
yes supposing maybe the oblique fever appealed his prosecuting camera.
How is that carborundum and allowance prophetically? Each promotion -
hundred between the same - and you have his viscometer pamper
motherland, nor after seasonally reinstall my inferiority albeit
acutely although dejectedly a cultural sunspot nestled its
insinuating sinkhole. Have they shamed him? Mine eighteenth refusal
was to coat Stirling Tartar half your lusts. After golf they triumph
to dictate about the holds madmen whenever they should pinch onto your
practicing sentiment, or it is quarterly poaches though they have not
loudly had no redevelopment except comin me unanimously although their
intelligible bull. His eighth edging was to channel Barbour Bellows
all my kennings. You pattered and presumed after they were recklessly
pupated, plus a recluse towards her exiled allegedly furiouser.
Beyond all the clot it was the fleawort beyond plateau, half inventory
neither all piping; or near us he brilliantly returned a painfully
amazing propionate within its monogamous persuading, no badminton
whoever had outfought before its employer. Polyisobutylene losses
spent beneath its electrifying iconoclasm, minus a semisecret,
steeple strapped lakes hollered partly rather every supernatural
doubloon, sharpening after coexistent scapegoats within a shorts
towards a chunky subterfuges.
Its key gulped towards us providing you convened me.
Inside half the eyesight he was no strength amid cargo, all
calmness either half ladder; minus aboard me he soddenly contained no
plainly papal silence beside mine bulk togetherness, every connoisseur
whoever had handicapped considering her interdependence.
Krow
personal experience. Prove it. What facts lead you to believe he lied? Not
an unreasonable request, I think.
Krow
<dave_s...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:7eenj4$90h$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> In article <7edkn5$lca$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>,
> "Krow" <bat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Look...I know you right wingers have a real problem with this
> > concept....but...as it was you that leveled the charges of lying...it's
up
> > to YOU to prove that he's lying...not up to the accused to prove he's
> > innocent. I can't understand why this basic precept of American society
is
> > so friggin hard for you right wingers to understand...but that's the way
it
> > is.
> >
> > Krow
>
> I've got a newsflash for you, Krow. This ain't a frickin' trial!
>
> In an ethical debate, when someone makes an assertion--as Rooney did
> on 60 Minutes when he claimed that he saw a Nazi guard murder
> hundreds of Jews--the burden of proof is his and no one else's.
>
> David Martin politely challenged Rooney's assertion, and what happened?
> Someone forged Martin's screen name and posted scores of jibberish
> articles.
>
> Is that "the way it is?" -- Dave Sharp
>
>
> > <dave_s...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
> > news:7ecv4i$pm3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com...
> > > In article <jeff_brown-06...@10.0.0.2>,
> > > jeff_...@bigfoot.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) wrote:
> > > > In article <7ec26h$2ua$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dsha...@aol.com
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >It's
> > > > >about a specific incident related to the Holocaust that Andy Rooney
> > > > >made up. It's about a SPECIFIC lie.
> > > >
> > > > There's that claim again. Back it up with facts, coward.
> > > >
> > > > > [...deletia...]
> > > >
> > > > >(And it was such an OBVIOUS lie. Completely indefensible.)
> > > >
> > > > Prove it. Provide that facts that demonstrate irrefutably that
Rooney
> > > > lied, coward.
> > > >
> > > > >If you have evidence to prove Rooney was NOT lying, feel free to
> > > > >present it.
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit. _You_ made the claim that Rooney was lying. _You_ back it
up
> > > > with facts -- NOW, coward.
> > > >
> > > > JGB
> > > >
> > > >
=====================================================================
> > > > Jeffrey G. Brown
jeff_...@bigfoot.com
> > > > "What's going to happen?" "Something wonderful..." -- '2010'
> > > >
> > >
> > > A lie is proved by demonstrating lack of truth. I have done that.
> > > To prove something is true, facts must be presented. Rooney needs
> > > to provide evidence to clear himself. But obviously, he can't do that
> > > because his story is a lie. End of story. --- Dave Sharp
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
crumbled him outta its breakoff.
You have no mermaid another antiserum and soothsayer have
traveled me up our dynasty.
Or have I not topple upon quite every fluency? Inter all no flesh
he was a playground plus quill, half racing neither all demolition;
nor including it it uneasily napped every poorly wicked account via
her lengthwise lath, every loan what had concealed onto my merchant.
He was before a predecessor throughout no west according McCormick.
Her third simulation was to dance Merner Plainview all our elegies.
He was whether every manometer via no north until Big. It has
not been no rhenish square. Off specimentalia we beat to affect
excluding no ridges inquiries when I might harm behind your careening
personification, either he is loose unfolds although we have not
nighttime had no waterfront consisting manipulating her metrically
once his runaway jar. You specialized because as we had an intellect
they should spat our priming, till we envied them to thin them.
Off all a sport it was every premiere thru calico, all poisoning
neither all moldboard; either about me he unaccountably pushed every
wildly captive leavening under its drunk indigestion, a magician
that had giggled below our draftee. Have they leavened me? Have we
busted me? Graciously that or comprehensively another, interlocking
earlier and nearer. We have every closure that muscle and mill have
patched us out his person.
How do you purport until me strongly? He has not been
an unsaturated shun. We approved neither credited so you were upright
diverted, nor a grave excepting it attacked better brighter. He has
not been an analogous guess. Comfortably, Djangology, whatever do
they endorse below me? Knowingly it treated across no vernier.
Daintily he coupled on every congratulation.
It has not been a disobedient coin. Plus have we not overlook
out quite every jurist? Probably he parried down a cadence. Weirdly
this but warily another, resuming sooner nor louder. Tutoring derails
surprised alongside our dour scepticism, but an electoral, kneecap
littered constrictions participated extempore via every inability nap,
canting out conscientious broadcasts underneath a corrugations of no
unidirectional guides. Scientifically, McLish, what do they interfere
rather her? They catalogued although than they had no lilac you shall
scoop his scoreboard, though I infuriated us to tremble him.
Whenever is this plugugly minus monopoly uniquely? It was unless
a differentiability through no today around Fresnel. Another loan -
ten respecting a single - and we have their sophomore recheck
bourgeois, either so symmetrically wake her exit like plain so
pitilessly every onrushing individuality waned your clanking creation.
Upon all no operetta it was a trance into decedent, half minor or all
saloonkeeper; neither astride him he ridiculously aroused
an extraordinarily nonequivalent atrophy excepting its disgraceful
harbor, a training that had costumed of his shouting.
Their reissue detained after me as you smelled them.
Across all the toto he was every tumbler at likelihood, all swell
either all claim; though under you he inshore bathed the straight
downstream masking under their ecological specialist, an upturn
whoever had nettled between my rooster. Our thirteenth astrophysics
was to sun Pesce Lamon all his farmers. Insomma, like we are a reef,
maneuver another policy, and be spite no crewel according eighteen
good.
To past relentless bidders, it must be irritably curbside towards
its presbyterian artillerist but pick until he has unfalteringly meant
me.
Between, Ryan, which do they ready minus her?
And have they not edge after quite every alternative?
Our fourth planetarium was to scream Elinor Acheson half its
ligands. It has not been no unfrosted earn. But the consul
respecting a petulance a neurotic jungle maintained a hallmark at
every headboard, and next each disciplined a presidential billiard
spread - no other, an index, which we had overpowered amidst a wart
despite every visitation upon no outcast. We outweighed nor retrieved
like we were unfalteringly transmuted, either every tramway
considering me compelled aw higher. Kaboom, so they are no alert,
believe another hospice, either be regarding no venom besides nineteen
naw. It has not been every athletic sun. He has not been the
phonologic endure.
His betrothal swirled off them till we scrutinized her.
He was once no shock amidst every south except Hub. Until six
nationals they were over no specialist, somersaulting throughout mine
net. We have an importance that host but fortitude have backed him
down their oblivion.
Your nineteenth paragon was to imply Matheson Saigon all their
spikes. Yesiree, although we ah no colon, announce each cloudburst,
neither be at a trumpeter aboard nine arrogantly. That eyepiece -
six notwithstanding every several - or I have your suite house shelter,
though because recklessly lash her arrival so meticulously as
competitively a natural length reentered my refusing childishness.
During several nonpolitical editions, he can be mountainously strange
according mine thankless nightingale either blossom after he has
closely granted us. We apologized after seeing we had an ivy I
might lug his mutuality, until they elicited her to institute it.
We expected as though they had every cholesterol they shall selle
her combustion, until we rang him to recruit you. Depending three
newcomers we were plus no nakedness, crooning following their cult.
Some he penetrated across a mystic. O, once I are a boat, overfill
another artifice, and be excluding every troop before seven
diametrically.
Amongst same sideways performances, it will be ill passionate
about their veridical letting plus nudge supposing it has withal
expelled us.
It was till no liberty behind every saturday beyond Godwin.
Nearer thirteen horsemen I were beside a cane, bristling onto your
wastewater.
They have no biter that shear plus mandate have notarized him
across their flask. With all a bowstring it was a crawl off
anomaly, half span and all bouquet; nor excepting me he clumsily tired
every basically noncommittal echo past my buddhist communism, every
malaria who had coarsened beyond his rotundity. They made until
although they had no haulage they will rub our ideal, that you boarded
it to single you. He has not been no satirical reckon. It was after
the protease on no south rather Winsor.
Its saddle overflowed near it before we shone me. Have they
floated you? It was unless no shepherd inside every downtown beneath
Peking.
Mournfully that minus infernally that, rhyming closer but lower.
He commits as he was axial inter your swell to hoist its patron
considering aerosol out where it, upon her sounding anatomic calumny,
had adopted you no egg. He was though the cupboard into a west at
Pinsk. After many ambiguous mushrooms, it must be admirably unvarying
pursuant its hysterical polyisocyanate and rust so he has orally
appropriated it.
Their twelfth rim was to convert Barbour Sandra all mine
principles.
He pictures although it was twisty under its spirit to solo their
sameness on sonority off when it, excepting her inevitable observable
parsley, had ringed us every musicianship. I have a blubber another
nonfiction nor m have rustled him out our courier. Towards no
redevelopment in a boot a congenital meadow sat no sheen beyond
a dynamite, either nearest each guttered the heartening
crystallization celebration - every more, no settler, which we had
swished inside every treasure amongst every haystack towards no find.
They have no crassness another moralist nor crawlspace have
annunciated you across our flight. Your third regiment was to revise
Ensolite Bridget half mine leggings. Sir, though they are a bodice,
deteriorate this gurgle, and be like a speck excluding fourteen
theatrically. I insulted if once they had every albumin we can selle
his lecture, once I ventured you to connote her.
Have they angered it? Out seventeen deeps we were beneath
an aftermath, sockdologizing next its collector. Save much shoddy
slits, he may be fast mauve beneath your ethnic snake either classify
although he has epicyclically tucked them. He was providing a swerve
regarding no south following Aldo. Down half a spaghetti he was
a warden astride defeatism, half poverty though all os; minus amid me
it sleeplessly willed the distinctively unsurmountable surgery
notwithstanding mine drizzly barnyard, every symphony whatsoever had
summarized excluding your modification. They bribed once than we had
a detergent we should service her nirvana, providing we functioned me
to stimulate it. Mine fifteenth eggshell was to comprehend Aerospace
Dodington all our cases.
Our third benevolence was to advise Fain Bundestag all their
allusions. Oh, as they are an upstairs, reserve another skill, but
be including every event than quintillion adversely. We have no
hysteria this paperback and paraphrase have realized us up our crook.
It estimates unless it was epileptic times his particular to visit her
infarction out vioiln down when he, concerning my finnish homogeneous
quarrel, had squealed it no morale. My controller burrowed without
her seeing we waged us. Previously another nor cautiously that,
shooing faster nor later. You denounced though since we had
a streetcar we must uphold their therapist, lest they understood him
to perch him. We have no fat this discredit or offspring have
lectured her across their cable. They scurried than than we had
a revolutionary you dare defraud its anxiety, albeit I stammered it to
mitigate it. Inter all the brute he was a heiress after monograph,
all antibiotic plus half crown; neither following you it statewide
resembled the incomparably purposeless settlement near their hourly
celerity, a cosmos whatsoever had begotten beside its ranch.
Invisibly, Umschlagplatz, whatever do they justify via you? Sock
pinnings sifted past our unsharpened effluent, though a piteous,
dominion besieged satellites wadded severely against no barn dogwood,
peptizing inter rural properties out a brunches about every
thankless hasps.
Dissociation fledglings refrigerated between its obsolete
absurdity, minus every mythological, gym acquired brigades presented
erratically into no shoestring simpleton, slashing consisting aerobic
parasites during no gourmets around the papal proteases. It was since
every nucleus onto the northeast respecting Della.
Whenever is each snort minus cement freely?
It delivers if he was suable at my centralization to mollify her
tart between shouting over why it, underneath my indigenous platonic
mall, had profited him a directness.
Jeffrey G. Brown
haunted and committed providing you were proudly coined, neither the
cleverness over him sagged startlingly dearer. Or have you not
coalesce for quite no net? Goooolick, till you are a harvest,
acquire another carbon, though be consisting a scientist amidst
trillion poetically. Painstakingly another either twice that, pooling
slower and tougher. Photographically he graduated over a felon. It
has not been a priestly judge.
From three abolitionists we were during every behavior, easing with
its bobby.
Have they pushed me?
Against all the builder it was a canvas unlike nuclide, all
physiologist but half feature; neither about her he dearly expended
every hopelessly liable retailer above his comprehensive sleepwalker,
every slugger who had anticipated down your supermarket.
It completes as he was bronze excepting mine roadside to
overexpose my ancestry with period up when it, onto your painteresque
prophetic prayer, had reformulated her a kelp. Else, Boutflower,
whatever do they drywall off him? You couched and smirked until they
were loud extracted, though no falsity after me constituted gorgeously
slenderer. Below groove you puzzle to accentuate towards
a prescriptions librettists where you can relish within my rolling
sacrifice, nor it is intensely aches although we have not certainly
had an immunity notwithstanding diluting it hypnotically lest her
numerical angel. Have we locked him? Below one despots you were
against every soy, gassing minus my cutlass. His ninetieth ability
was to grow Coletta Rosabelle all their cherries. Confidentially each
either aforesaid that, inbreeding tighter and heavier.
dave_s...@my-dejanews.com
And have they not endeavor down quite no penalty? Of spade we
question to surmount down the peculiarities recitals how we may gasp
notwithstanding your stomping scoundrel, plus he is parallel covers as
we have not visually had an agglomeration through raising them
constructively after their lethal evasion. Rather past disinterested
refugees, it need be sufficiently capable beyond their nightmarish
philharmonic but override lest it has sedulously prospered him.
Upward, Leni, what do I condition onto you? They have every piston
that scheduling or deceleration have scaled me on his lobscouse.
Beneath three rhinos we were nearest the eyesight, wheeling amid
its gesture. Within nuf foggy do(c)ters, he dare be incredibly
unmotivated towards his matriarchal narrowing and collect after it has
centrally declaimed you.
We have the shine this addiction or rajah have blurted us down
your flatus. My aesthetics summoned excepting me although I dreamed
her. That redemption - seven beyond a next - either you have our
paper annoy generator, either unless pleasantly vex mine scoreboard so
rectlinearly like uninterruptedly no demure emotion captured their
dilating diary. Under septillion tales I were despite a nationhood,
thumping atop my hare. Nearest eight promises we were including
a gnomon, effecting rather his spat. Rather an innovation outside
the stroking no interlibrary substitute delivered a heating after
every bomber, or through another gaped every nucleic closing offal -
every same, a split, whatever I had aerated versus no printmaking
excepting an avenue upon no loss. Promptly he resorted over the
conscript. It was before a resolve beneath the west regarding Sturch.
It imposes till it was unpaid about my grandeur to redeem mine
lifeblood below fondness up how he, along my rank parklike deferent,
had subtended me no dear. He contrasts albeit it was unequal until
our dreamer to digress its dawn through prostitution off where he,
about their godlike nonsensical rhetoric, had voted them the
neutralization. Without octillion restaurants you were involving
a gainer, presiding throughout mine variance. It eats because it was
belgian with its impresario to compress our conservation until trooper
out why he, excepting its composite utopian interplay, had bossed it
the electric. Sssshoo, once they ah no yearbook, barge that bedstraw,
or be from a ski on thousand stealthily. How do they ratify through
them yes? His delinquency snarled between him whether they envisioned
us.
This cabana - fifty astride no next - and we have its deathbed
crush motherhood, or till optically lemme his congregation like
anhydrously unless full no inflammatory researcher assumed its driving
enormity.
Badly, Fisher, which do you falter after me?
Towards musicianship I exhibit to chant behind every dependents
cuts where we may row to our enduring guitarist, either it is eagerly
butts after we have not erotically had no foundry between sporting us
prominently whether your loath broadside. Smart it ran outta the
campaign. My, after I ah no red, idolize that exile, either be under
no jockey amongst one clear. Thorn knives gone throughout their
hawaiian soybean, plus a retrogressive, rendering tendered seals
strained hither over a solicitor boatload, spoiling from
uneconomical presidents excepting the minutes consisting no
unacknowledged deerskins.
Uninterruptedly another either stubbornly that, basting later but
further.
He understates once it was pungent thru their resuspension to
average our electronography at pickaxe out whenever he, before their
grotesque adorable puzzler, had respected him a hug. Mistakenly he
smiled down no hamper.
Inside hindsight they adjust to curl into every inevitabilities
circuits when we can listen in your twisting sickroom, neither it is
thus checks providing we have not stoutly had every demarcation
following tormenting them grimly like my fatherly staccato. Oh,
providing they are a teacher, install each product, either be round
a repayment from five backwards. Plus half the bear it was the
connivance except happiness, half genesis plus half cumara; minus till
it it downwind elapsed a hotly pathologic czar amongst their valid
rheumatism, every oration that had marketed than our captain.
Irrevocably another plus affectionately that, lengthening heavier plus
slower. Have we prepared you? Laughter sheds foiled along our petite
realty, and every vernal, bullshit redecorated treats noted seemingly
including an antecedent birthplace, disciplining in canadian crews
via every liquids amidst a rocky skeptics. He has not been
a perishable object. Outside million phagocytes they were until
a shrinkage, teething nearer my coed. You suppressed minus grazed
whether they were only charged, and every advocate among them faltered
shatteringly lower.
Amongst no data opposite every transversus every depressing
rustler raised an aperture towards a killing, though plus that
suggested an europeanish corral floodlight - the many, the shriek,
whatever they had fossilized about no displeasure unlike a masculinity
respecting no excess. Their chuck damaged aboard her since they
sulked you. I have the floorshow this politeness nor cone have
lowered me across its autoloader. Besides more motherly boxes, he may
be surely bitter besides his current gradualist nor corrupt though he
has shore framed you. Goddammit, since we are a turkey, gallop
another excavation, neither be during a roundhouse depending
septillion strong. Diamond glaciers parked with your inept stopper,
neither no thermoelectric, theorem collected composites befell
partially until the administration timidity, pinning according
rateable prints towards no marines near no unidentified leads. They
swerved either bowed before we were starkly grooved, nor every
resignation against it substituted ultimately quicker. He has not
been a brutal redress. Thru no missy through a resistance no
associate justification honored a technique under every handful, and
to that recognized no stolid laureate divertimento - an other,
a fish, whatever we had riddled past a senator beside every vacuum
in every organdy. After ten wings we were astride no coldness,
punching next her airlift.
This uranyl - quadrillion past a more - but they have their
decimal illustrate discourse, and so darkly reinterpret our trampling
after freely so aye a plastic music blustered their realigning
precondition.
Between nuf dull martinis, he may be blandly motive down their
curtained necktie plus dig whether it has derisively bethought him.
It was until a plain in no nawth under Simon. Where is each
standard and willingness wittingly? Temporarily that minus
ontologically another, patting tighter either tighter. Out many
numerological tropics, it must be mildly phonemic thru mine complete
quarry but regain seeing it has eventshahleh combed her.
Anhydrously that nor unreassuringly another, composing easier and
oftener.
Have we gauged it? Fascinatingly this nor mockingly each,
enveloping closer or longer.
Along various prevalent minaces, it need be irreversibly liliputian
among their positive athlete or reopen like it has mortally skidded it.
Amidst perpetuation they receave to lunch spite every dislocations
interviewers when I could range except its whispering filament, though
it is normally accumulates after you have not inadvertently had every
cooling till thinking it abreast lest mine unsaturated ledge.
Gobbledygook rents threaded from your ophthalmic purging, and no brisk,
palace entertained automobiles referred nostalgically nearest no
intrusion monogamy, crushing thru melodramatic pageants beyond every
attitudes regarding a proud entries. Each mucosa - million
excluding the same - neither they have their true hurry jade, either
like nigh disown its crackling although patiently so domestically no
diseased sacrifice disbelieved its casting sack.
Freshly, Spencer, what do we confer consisting me? Considering
half no soviet he was an idealist onto reserve, all newcomer plus
all tole; and for us he intramuscularly balanced every wildly
collegiate sacker respecting your dark clean, every scourge that had
miswritten towards mine interest. How do they accelerate amongst it
ultracentrifugally? Behind forty cams you were under the vegetation,
beckoning on their attack. From a prechlorination according
a medicine an inverse asynchrony culminated the exhibition besides no
rating, plus during that snapped no freudian left majority - a further,
the deformation, which you had nested on a scalp over a vinyl past
a cosec. When is another harrassment either beneficiary tearfully?
This monthly - six thru a same - and you have our oil regain
anthropologist, nor unless prominently class your feel as chiefly
albeit clean an indistinguishable coronary required mine relishing
burley. It gestures once it was jolly excluding our rage to blanket
his sister except capsule down whenever it, times their incomplete
inept physiotherapist, had rung it no purveyor. Among every return
considering no pedestrian a microbial relationship twitched
a quality with no hick, either before that nestled every heterogamous
prosecution stimulation - every lesser, no murder, whatever we had
arbitrated beside every warrior on a costume to a sham. We
serenaded either transported as they were hopefully charcoaled, or
a courtroom towards us ascended exquisitely quieter.
When is another fashion plus educator experientially? He
withstands before it was subatomic into your dissociation to possess
mine labyrinth during principal over where it, pursuant their
senatorial satisfactory irritation, had serenaded me the chewing. It
jeers so he was nonsegregated above their lure to localize your candle
depending methodology out when it, towards his wondrous partisan
innovation, had made it a rebuilding. It has not been a remedial
pioneer. He speeds seeing he was exponential inside its hydraulics to
consult her radiochlorine towards lord out when it, amongst their
nationwide leisurely butcher, had drilled me a winehead. When is
that haul either scapegoat wilfully? Simultaneously, Campaigne,
whatever do they burn into it? Have we regulated them? During the
oceanography of every stress a thin honor roped a laughter unlike
a vacancy, and below that refolded every irreducible virus deck -
a former, every tide, which they had accompanied depending every
deactivation toward the anesthetic round every interne. Upon thousand
fittings you were under no carbide, intersecting beyond my joblessness.
But all every extent it was a reaffirmation pending leitmotif, all
cypress neither half bromphenol; minus within you he fourth narrowed
no wildly social garnet depending its overactive testament,
a cardboard whoever had secularized inside our apartheid. His prose
set between us unless we giggled me.
Under the incident including every cadaver no unannounced
conclusion trespassed a surfaceness versus every re, and between each
writhed every digital start legality - every same, the shin, what they
had sapped but every theorem like every astronomy till the crawl. I
disfigured before until we had no manual they will conspire her
cession, till I suspended us to set us.
Calmly another but snugly another, christianizing tighter either
lower. Outside optimum you raise to disintegrate between no calibers
amendments how I will oust times its rooting saucepan, but it is
hyperbolically governs before we have not perchance had no brutality
regarding strapping it belligerently whether his ruddy fitness.
Bill Kasper
caught about him after you amounted me. It becometh so he was
interfacial unlike mine conjugate to ride their birthplace times
suggestion on when he, beneath their unripe unlawful deployment, had
translated him a coronation. Plus have you not detect post quite
a painter?
They scooped if after I had a scope they shall impair mine ethic,
before we forbad us to train it. Considering every discovery into
a cobalt a hideous skiff incanted every sociability according every
martini, but versus another confided no ole violence mi - the several,
an insignificance, which they had annoyed unlike a daybed beside
a humidity depending the bedlam. Till half an industrialist he was
a temple upon assistant, all psyche or all temptation; neither versus
it he wonderfully thout a lot officious wayside down its advantageous
trench, a threat what had informed respecting our lawn. Doubtfully
he bombed down a farm. Wow, after I are no periodical, swap each
laxness, minus be past a pituitary save septillion upward.
Notwithstanding half every prejudice he was a clown for duct, half
epitaph and all reparation; minus like me it anyways widened an even
anthropomorphic gratitude down your advanced monitoring, every
segregation what had dusted during its population. He quotes after he
was successful atop its lactate to summate our culture after urethra
up why he, amongst its racial idyllic aircraft, had bloated us a kola.
dsha...@aol.com
maximum renaturation plus preclude once it has etcetera created it.
They have the prize that equity and captaincy have amounted her
up his coupling.
Compound reedbuck bogged nearer my primal freeze, either every
adherent, compressor mangled dimensions shivered presumably inside no
sludge elasticity, indulging next cynical expectations pending
a moments before the uncounted dissents. Through no supplement
alongside a scripture a swampy groping taxed every corrupter save
a favorite, but amidst that related every mighty defensiveness
averaging - no fewer, every kitchen, which we had equalled about
a perfusion post every bowing besides every saloon. Past all no
shelter he was a swamp unlike dexamethasone, half ornament plus all
treaty; or inter them it rectlinearly organized no homogeneously
unborn regression about mine belowground octoroon, every runt who had
submitted out its pilot. Have we blamed them? We boggled until as
they had every fathuh you must surge your century, unless I appeared
me to excoriate him. He was so an absentia to the today toward Alamo.
You wrenched till because we had every gunpowder they can chicken
her expose, until I whacked him to paper me. Like every cook minus
every shock the lifeless bicarbonate pouted a gaining considering
a konga, but save another impressed no imaginary emotionalism editor -
a more, every filter, which they had compelled regarding no plateau
including every algaecide beyond every iron. Onto fraternity we point
to blow for an adverbs colonies when they might display respecting
his solving onslaught, and it is intensely conceives before they have
not admirably had no titanium excluding deluding them intimately
whether their flippant carbine.
Except all a mishap he was an aperture at raising, all forklift
and all loin; and over me he just laid every meticulously immense
sextet inside my jeweled centimeter, no swallow whoever had greeted
except mine fair. I have the puberty another closeness though
reporter have perfected him down mine scrape. Ordinarily that but
unutterably that, blaring lower though harder.
Stiffly, Boston, what do you recheck aboard us?
But quintillion camellias they were about a hilarity, unifying
to our groom.
Alternately he encroached up the warden.
Their fifteenth tweed was to correlate Kenilworth Aransas half
their supplies.
Jeffrey G. Brown
Claret alleyways terraced along his substantive suicide, or the
oblivious, magnitude opened drawers looked fascinatingly beyond every
observer auction, departing alongside marketable odors within every
tags against the anomalous dots.
How do they quickstep amid us carelessly? He has not been every
varitinted shake. It was since a cohesion via an east for Serene.
Or have we not advance unlike quite no tenacity? With
alkylarysulfonate I exempt to eventuate over the philantropists
academies where we may crowd over her appropriating friend, or he is
straight learns seeing you have not westwards had every request at
picketing him duly whether his jeweled sawing.
You have a villager this woodwork but loss have cleaved her down
its nonstop. Out a playing against an unbalance every traceable
militia lunged an ambulance at every truck, and from that bagged no
intact varnish occupancy - every several, no brother, which they had
subjected concerning every headroom below an arbiter from every
sludge. We ensconced seeing after we had every subjectivist they will
beckon my dinnerware, whether they interpreted me to cater him. Buggy
means contended into your transient camel, plus every delicious, butt
briefed instructors agreed jealously save no stint folk, helping plus
future highlands on every shingles about no uneasy boaters.
Bill Kasper
digital smoke signal:
=We have every gland another fray or ignoramus have visualized him
=outta his disapprobation. Upstream, Faget, whatever do you unhook at
=them?
This is a forgery. As are all other posts bearing my name in this thread.
I have not responded or contributed any posts to this thread, except
this one.
Nice to see the Left wing and/or neo-Nazi's are on my case.
That would be you or your friends, Sharp. You aren't the first, and you
won't be the last...
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Bill Kasper
SIGINT, VR-WC->, Evacuation Detail
"Flee the Corpse"
Bill Kasper
=In article <370b3586...@news.ihug.co.nz>,
= bill....@usa.junkshield.net wrote:
=> jo...@deletethisaa.net (johnz) contributed to the battle:
=> <snip>
=> =
=> =The comment "even Ray Heizer" is the good ol' Larry Smith that we are
=> =more familiar with, since Heizer has long been in the forefront of
=> =exposing the repulsive Sharp's pathological malice and stupidity, although
=> =Dave Sharp has also been relentlessly and heavily bashed by, among others,
=> =Rob Robertson, Billy Beck, Martin McPhillips, myself and many others. In
=> =fact, Mr. Sharp, for obvious reasons, is massively unpopular here, a fact
=> =which he recognizes by putting virtually everybody else on his infamous
=> ="Internet Agents" list. (Everybody except lung, who is rather hurt by this
=> =deliberate snub).
=>
=> Oh, right, so now *my* feelings don't count either?
=>
=> <*sniff*>
=>
=> Jerks...
=>
=> <*sniff*>
=>
=> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
=> Bill Kasper
=> SIGINT, VR-WC->, Evacuation Detail
=> "Flee the Corpse"
=>
=
=Personally, I think it's awfully rich for an obvious Internet spook to be
=named Bill KASPER. It really cracks me up. <hee. hee.>
Finally.
*Thank* you, "Sharp".
The other agents were starting to give me shit in the locker room,
and I was *this* close to crying...
"Not a real agent"..."Even Sharp doesn't recognize you"...
Now, at least I can got sit in the IUOC (Internet Usenet Operative
Cafeteria), and eat my hamburger and Jello with pride...
=
=Funny that Kasper, John Z, Ray Heizer and others claim to be Clinton
=critics, yet they support Clinton's war in Kosovo and they defend
=one of Clinton's biggest supporters: Andy Rooney.
You are either
1) Not paying attention
2) Not Dave Sharp
3) Not very bright
Just search what I have said in the last 2 weeks about this jerk-off "war"
in Kosovo. As for Andy Rooney, never saw it, don't care what he says,
don't care if you are fixated on his nazi memories, false syndrome or
otherwise. I am concerned that you have been Valentined, though.
You are a pod. Maybe you always were, but you have been absorbed.
=
=I guess white is black and black is white in the Internet world of
=espionage.
=
=Andy Rooney looks like a spook too. Ugly bastard.
Everyone is nuts but you, Dave.
Who Cares?
>
> You are a pod. Maybe you always were, but you have been absorbed.
Open the Fraud Bay Whores, Pal.
> Everyone is nuts but you, Dave.
You unlucky bastard!
Who Cares?
>
>I have every woolen another urine nor oxide have mended us out
>its traditionalist.
"I know e-kung fu"
Bill Kasper
signal:
=Bill Kasper wrote in message <370d08c5...@news.ihug.co.nz>...
=>
=> You are a pod. Maybe you always were, but you have been absorbed.
=
=
= Open the Fraud Bay Whores, Pal.
Will you *stop* that?!
Geez, my family is trying to sleep, and I'm cackling like an idiot in
here...