>Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! >From: A_Ba...@abaron.demon.co.uk (Alexander Baron) >Date: Fri, Mar 27, 1998 18:21 EST >Message-id: <891040889...@abaron.demon.co.uk>
>So what you're saying Chuck is that Whites are more inclined towards slavery >than Blacks? Hell, that sounds like a racist statement.
Chcuk hates whites. To him, hating white is not racist, but a virtue, since he is white. Bob Whitaker
"Beside the braes of dawn. One clear new morning. Down where the lilies stood in bloom. I knew that I was just a stranger in this world. A wind just passing through." - Calum & Rory Macdonald (Runrig)
>Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! >From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) >Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 18:48 EST >Message-id: <352dd30e.5425...@news.demon.co.uk>
>>So what you're saying Chuck is that Whites are more inclined towards slavery >>than Blacks? Hell, that sounds like a racist statement.
>I think he is saying Blacks good - Whites bad. Check out what he has >said about Italians, Chinese and others Alexander. Shocking stuff.
He is always saying that. Chuck thinks being antiracist is a virtue, since he's white.
"The greatest barrier to progress is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge." -- Daniel Boorstin
#1- I don't pretend to possess "THE TRUTH about Blacks."
Several of the people commenting are making *ABSOLUTE* statements, some of which may or may not be true. My position is too long and too complicated to attempt an explaination here, and it really isn't that important to AR. Some of the opinions are bigoted and racist, I object to that more than anything. Also I feel that most of us including me are shooting from the hip.
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 11:48 PM Message-id: <352dd30e.5425071@news.demon.co.uk>
>> CF:>>>>>>>Garbage, yourself, Baron. Slavery is thousands of years old, and >> Black people are not the only people who were every held as slaves. The Jewish >> people experienced slavery before Black people did.
Black people existed before Jews; so I imagine they would have had the odd slave, and been the odd slave, before them. Old Testament Jews had slaves Chuck.
CF:>>>>>>>Is this a fact which can be proven, or just an opinion? How do we know which race came first..that is can Jews be considered a race, which I personally don't think they are. I can't argue about the Bible because I just don't know.
>> Further more, Africans did practice slavery, but not nearly as much as whites >> and for different reasons.
Different reasons?
CF:>>>>>>The whites were in the business of buying and selling Black Africans as slaves, this was slave trade. The motive was profit. Native Africans captured other Blacks mostly during battles and kept some of them as slaves. The motive; these prisoners did the work the winners didn't want to do. I see that as a different reason than bankers and plantation owners buying and selling Black Africans for a profit.
>So what you're saying Chuck is that Whites are more inclined towards slavery >than Blacks? Hell, that sounds like a racist statement.
No, that's not what I'm saying. Blacks captured other Blacks and sold them to whites and Arabs for profit. I don't think the Blacks who did this did it for racist reasons. The whites on the other hand did not consider the Blacks which they had bought or captured as humans. Chatel is the word they used. Anyway, this is getting way off subject. I oppose racisim, I oppose bigotry. I don't mean to sound sanctimonious about any of this, but the argument was pushed by the likes of Whitaker, who is a racist.
I think he is saying Blacks good - Whites bad. Check out what he has said about Italians, Chinese and others Alexander. Shocking stuff.
CF:>>>>>BS! Anything I ever wrote about other races including my own was tongue in cheek. I shouldn't have done it, because some posters are too intense, and that kind of humor goes over like a lead balloon. I have apologized on AR about any racial slurs. None were intended to be serious.
The whales are intelligent, but they cannot raise a civilization because they are too "specialised", they don't have hands to build. The blacks are specialised too (black skin, great body strength and stamina). They were isolated from the happenings that moved the great civilizations of the Middle-East/Northern Africa. If we are talking about hatred, my opinion is that the Arabs and Gipsies are much more "dirty" than the blacks.
After all, don't forget that the dawn of human history began in Central Africa (this is told by WHITE scientists).
A tall blonde from Croatia
Niklas Löfdahl <leda...@ab.se> wrote in article <3518D031.5...@ab.se>...
> If Blacks are equal to Whites: How come it is the White people that > colonized the World and White people that rule the World. Surely, there > must be a reason why the Afican tribes sold their own people to the > slavetraders. Why did Europe colonize Africa and not the opposite....
Michael Ejercito wrote: > In article <35151C57.4...@news.nit>, f...@news.nit wrote:
> > Susan Cohen wrote:
> > > Since you appended this to my post, I have to say that the original post was > > > some white racist trying to "prove" his "superiority" by quoting the Bell > > > Curve - so I naturally threw it back in his face that that self-same > book said > > > that Jews & Asains were superior to "whites", so, if he was going to crow > > > about being "smarter" than "blacks," he would have to admit to being > inferior > > > to two groups he most likely hates as well.
> > The difference is that jews and asians don't have institutionalized > > racial > > preferences to land them promotions and university admissions with their > > skin color as a criterion. Nor do they have racial "leaders" who cry > > racism or cultural bias to excuse academic underperformance. (wouldn't > > over- > > achieving asians suffer far more from cultural bias?) See > Of course Jews would not support affirmative action based on > religion;such a policy will result in discrimination against Jews in favor > of Christians.
> > (flame groups deleted as a waste of time for anyone over the mental age of > > 12)
> > Niklas Löfdahl wrote:
> > > If Blacks are equal to Whites: How come it is the White people that > > > colonized the World and White people that rule the World. Surely, there > > > must be a reason why the Afican tribes sold their own people to the > > > slavetraders. Why did Europe colonize Africa and not the opposite....
> > Lessee...
> > Could it be that Blacks are wise, peace-loving people who wouldn't dream of > > killing and enslaving other cultures just to prove their superiority? That > > Whites are arrogant, violent & stupid? :->
> ==================================== > Phillips
> Your conception of pre-colonialist Africa is an idealized one, to say > the least.
It was also a smart-assed joke that you're too stiff & stupid to see, bozo.
> It was far from being a peaceful place. Wars beteween > neighboring tribes were endemic and the treatment of captives was not > for the squeamish.
> And when the white slave traders came, just how do you think they > acquired their captives - went into the jungles and did their own > capturing? NO way. They BOUGHT them from the slave-owning chiefs. > becasue enslaving captives was common practice and, indeed, slavery is > far from unknown in Africa TO THIS DAY.
No duh!
> But try telling things like this to a Liberal, for whom blacks can do no > wrong. Indeed, if they were caught in the act of cannibalism at 42nd and > Broadway, it would be lauded as a wholesome assertion of ethnic > identity. > =================================================
> > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
> > (flame groups deleted as a waste of time for anyone over the mental age of > > 12)
> > Niklas Löfdahl wrote:
> > > If Blacks are equal to Whites: How come it is the White people that > > > colonized the World and White people that rule the World. Surely, there > > > must be a reason why the Afican tribes sold their own people to the > > > slavetraders. Why did Europe colonize Africa and not the opposite....
> > Lessee...
> > Could it be that Blacks are wise, peace-loving people who wouldn't >dream of killing and enslaving other cultures just to prove their >superiority? > No, blacks were every bit as violent but were not organized, unified, or > technologicaly advanced enough to wage campaigns of violence on the > scale of European civilizations. So in all, whites weren't/aren't more > evil- just better at being evil
As I said before, it was mostly a snide spitball on my part. I thought it was obvious, but I keep forgetting that people do write that stupidly *not* on purpose!
> >That Whites are arrogant > yes, but with good reason > >violent > Find me one major civilization that isn't > >& stupid? :-> > Wishful thinking on your part
Hardly. Look at all the whites who took my post so seriously.
I even put a smiley - & you *still* couldn't figure it out.
> > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
Anonymous wrote: > > Could it be that Blacks are wise, peace-loving people who wouldn't > dream of killing and enslaving other cultures just to prove their > superiority? That Whites are arrogant, violent & stupid? :-> > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
> Now, I am NOT AT ALL taking the other side of the argument here, but > I'm sure you know South Africa (their choice real estate) is completely > white-dominated in spite of the Nelson Mandela. That probably wasn't a > good example.
Especially since I thought they *had* "fixed" that...
> But I agree with every thing else you said :)
I was really being a little hyperbolic, just to spitball...
Anonymous wrote: > > Could it be that Blacks are wise, peace-loving people who wouldn't > dream of killing and enslaving other cultures just to prove their > superiority? That Whites are arrogant, violent & stupid? :-> > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
> Now, I am NOT AT ALL taking the other side of the argument here, but > I'm sure you know South Africa (their choice real estate) is completely > white-dominated in spite of the Nelson Mandela. That probably wasn't a > good example.
Especially since I thought they *had* "fixed" that...
> But I agree with every thing else you said :)
I was really being a little hyperbolic, just to spitball...
You're just another ignorant son of a bitch...What do you mean "dirty"?...Anyone who doesn't wash himself daily is "dirty" -- it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. If I didn't use any soap on my body for a week I'd be dirty too -- we all would.
dana
Bibor Szilard Kiraly <bibor.kir...@zg.tel.hr> wrote in article <01bd5c1e$d3cacee0$c4e41dc3@default>...
> The whales are intelligent, but they cannot raise a civilization because > they are too "specialised", they don't have hands to build. The blacks are > specialised too (black skin, great body strength and stamina). They were > isolated from the happenings that moved the great civilizations of the > Middle-East/Northern Africa. If we are talking about hatred, my opinion is > that the Arabs and Gipsies are much more "dirty" than the blacks.
> After all, don't forget that the dawn of human history began in Central > Africa (this is told by WHITE scientists).
> A tall blonde from Croatia
> Niklas Löfdahl <leda...@ab.se> wrote in article <3518D031.5...@ab.se>... > > If Blacks are equal to Whites: How come it is the White people that > > colonized the World and White people that rule the World. Surely, there > > must be a reason why the Afican tribes sold their own people to the > > slavetraders. Why did Europe colonize Africa and not the opposite....
> > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
I notice you didn't answer this. None of you did.
I don't think this has anything to do with one race being "better" than the other, but incidentally, don't whites currently rule South Africa, a particularly choice piece of land (which I personally think sucks) and didn't the British rule Hong Kong until the late eighties until they turned over the city to the Chinese people?
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! From: Dene Bebbington <d...@bebbo.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, Mar 28, 1998 6:57 PM Message-id: <pNaVmwBsgUH1EwRY@bebbo.demon.co.uk>
ChuckF2323 <chuckf2...@aol.com> wrote: >More of Whitaker's garbage. What a dummy!
Whadda you expect, he is a self-proclaimed redneck!!!
"Beside the braes of dawn. One clear new morning. Down where the lilies stood in bloom. I knew that I was just a stranger in this world. A wind just passing through." - Calum & Rory Macdonald (Runrig)
> > > Could it be that Blacks are wise, peace-loving people who wouldn't > dream of killing and enslaving other cultures just to prove their > superiority? That Whites are arrogant, violent & stupid? :-> > > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
> > Now, I am NOT AT ALL taking the other side of the argument here, but > > I'm sure you know South Africa (their choice real estate) is completely > > white-dominated in spite of the Nelson Mandela. That probably wasn't a > > good example.
> Especially since I thought they *had* "fixed" that...
> > But I agree with every thing else you said :)
> I was really being a little hyperbolic, just to spitball...
> > > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule?
> > I notice you didn't answer this. None of you did. > OK, have you ever heard of the British Commonwealth?
Just for the record, that was true in the old days of the British Empire, but it does not apply to today's British Commonwealth. Today's Commonwealth is a voluntary association of independent countries which deals with trade and other topics of mutual interest. While there are a number of member countries which have chosen to retain the Queen as Head of State, such as Canada and New Zealand, Britain has no power whatsoever. In the African republics which remain part of the Commonwealth (eg Malawi, Nigeria), the British have no role whatsoever. It is interesting to note that a couple of years ago, the country of Mozambique, which was a Portuguese colony, applied and was accepted into the British Commonwealth.
Susan Cohen (ze...@smart.net) wrote: : Travis wrote:
: > > > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule? : > > : > > I notice you didn't answer this. None of you did. : > OK, have you ever heard of the British Commonwealth?
: If we're going to dredge up ancient history, you'll be sorry.
Wow, you must be young. I don't consider anything within this decade (apartheid, HK a british protectorate) to be ancient history. But I'm an old fart, I guess.
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From Chuck FerreeSubject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) Date: Tue, Mar 31, 1998 11:34 PM Message-id: <35256e77.2115994@news.demon.co.uk>
>#1- I don't pretend to possess "THE TRUTH about Blacks."
>Several of the people commenting are making *ABSOLUTE* statements, some of >which may or may not be true. My position is too long and too complicated to >attempt an explanation here, and it really isn't that important to AR. Some of >the opinions are bigoted and racist, I object to that more than anything. Also >I feel that most of us including me are shooting from the hip.
If you claim statements are racist and bigoted you should at least say which ones and by whom - and why.
>Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! >From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) >Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 11:48 PM >Message-id: <352dd30e.5425...@news.demon.co.uk>
>>> CF:>>>>>>>Garbage, yourself, Baron. Slavery is thousands of years old, and >>> Black people are not the only people who were every held as slaves. The >Jewish >>> people experienced slavery before Black people did.
>Black people existed before Jews; so I imagine they would have had the >odd slave, and been the odd slave, before them. Old Testament Jews had >slaves Chuck.
>CF:>>>>>>>Is this a fact which can be proven, or just an opinion?
It is widely known. Ask a knowledgeable Jew - or read the bible Chuck.
How do we
>know which race came first..that is can Jews be considered a race, which I >personally don't think they are. I can't argue about the Bible because I just >don't know.
Ask Laura Finsten about the origin of Man , I think she will tell you that the generally held view is that Man came out of Africa - though there are people who argue for a more diffuse origin.
>>> Further more, Africans did practice slavery, but not nearly as much as >whites >>> and for different reasons.
>Different reasons?
>CF:>>>>>>The whites were in the business of buying and selling Black Africans >as slaves, this was slave trade. The motive was profit. >Native Africans captured other Blacks mostly during battles and kept some of >them as slaves. The motive; these prisoners did the work the winners didn't >want to do. I see that as a different reason than bankers and plantation owners >buying and selling Black Africans for a profit.
Rubbish Chuck. Blacks were capturing other Blacks for many centuries and selling them "up North" to Egypt and Rome before there was a true Jewish nationhood.
>>So what you're saying Chuck is that Whites are more inclined towards slavery >>than Blacks? Hell, that sounds like a racist statement.
>No, that's not what I'm saying. Blacks captured other Blacks and sold them to >whites and Arabs for profit. I don't think the Blacks who did this did it for >racist reasons.
Who said anything about racism Chuck? Except in response to your comments.
>The whites on the other hand did not consider the Blacks which >they had bought or captured as humans. Chatel is the word they used. Anyway, >this is getting way off subject.
And the word "goyim" can mean "Cattle" Chuck.
>I oppose racism, I oppose bigotry. I don't >mean to sound sanctimonious about any of this, but the argument was pushed by >the likes of Whitaker, who is a racist.
No, it was brought up by you.
>I think he is saying Blacks good - Whites bad. Check out what he has >said about Italians, Chinese and others Alexander. Shocking stuff.
>CF:>>>>>BS! Anything I ever wrote about other races including my own was tongue >in cheek. I shouldn't have done it, because some posters are too intense, and >that kind of humor goes over like a lead balloon. I have apologized on AR >about any racial slurs. None were intended to be serious.
Oh I see, it was all a joke all those times. That's all right then. Lucky your friends are so forgiving of you; pity they are less forgiving of others jokes. Indeed, pity that you are so unforgiving of others' jokes Chuck.
Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) Date: Tue, Mar 31, 1998 11:34 PM Message-id: <35256e77.2115...@news.demon.co.uk>
>#1- I don't pretend to possess "THE TRUTH about Blacks."
CF:>>>>>>Fergus, read this again!
>Several of the people commenting are making *ABSOLUTE* statements, some of >which may or may not be true. My position is too long and too complicated to >attempt an explaination here, and it really isn't that important to AR. Some of >the opinions are bigoted and racist, I object to that more than anything. Also >I feel that most of us including me are shooting from the hip.
If you claim statements are racist and bigoted you should at least say which ones and by whom - and why.
CF:>>>>>>I suppose so, but right now, I'm not in the mood to fool with it. I'll get back to it .....maybe!
>Subject: Re: THE TRUTH about blacks!! >From: re...@nospam.perdrix.demon.co.uk (Fergus McClelland) >Date: Sun, Mar 29, 1998 11:48 PM >Message-id: <352dd30e.5425...@news.demon.co.uk>
>>> CF:>>>>>>>Garbage, yourself, Baron. Slavery is thousands of years old, and >>> Black people are not the only people who were every held as slaves. The >Jewish >>> people experienced slavery before Black people did.
>Black people existed before Jews; so I imagine they would have had the >odd slave, and been the odd slave, before them. Old Testament Jews had >slaves Chuck.
>CF:>>>>>>>Is this a fact which can be proven, or just an opinion?
It is widely known. Ask a knowledgable Jew - or read the bible Chuck.
CF:>>>>>>You do the research and prove your point. I said I don't have the truth, I doubt if you do either. If it's important....post it.
How do we
>know which race came first..that is can Jews be considered a race, which I >personally don't think they are. I can't argue about the Bible because I just >don't know.
Ask Laura Finsten about the origin of Man , I think she will tell you that the generally held view is that Man came out of Africa - though there are people who argue for a more diffuse origin.
CF:>>>>>As much as I respect Laura Finsten, you are the guy making all these profound absolutes, you prove what you say, don't refer me to some other source. Shit, man that's easy.
>>> Further more, Africans did practice slavery, but not nearly as much as >whites >>> and for different reasons.
>Different reasons?
>CF:>>>>>>The whites were in the business of buying and selling Black Africans >as slaves, this was slave trade. The motive was profit. >Native Africans captured other Blacks mostly during battles and kept some of >them as slaves. The motive; these prisoners did the work the winners didn't >want to do. I see that as a different reason than bankers and plantation owners >buying and selling Black Africans for a profit.
Rubbish Chuck. Blacks were capturing other Blacks for many centuries and selling them "up North" to Egypt and Rome before there was a true Jewish nationhood.
CF:>>>>>>That's my point almost exactly!
>>So what you're saying Chuck is that Whites are more inclined towards slavery >>than Blacks? Hell, that sounds like a racist statement.
>No, that's not what I'm saying. Blacks captured other Blacks and sold them to >whites and Arabs for profit. I don't think the Blacks who did this did it for >racist reasons.
Who said anything about racism Chuck? Except in response to your comments.
CF:>>>>>>>Is this post about slavery? Racisim or what?
>The whites on the other hand did not consider the Blacks which >they had bought or captured as humans. Chatel is the word they used. Anyway, >this is getting way off subject.
And the word "goyim" can mean "Cattle" Chuck.
CF:>>>>>>Bait and switch, artist. The question was:.>>>>>>>>>
>I oppose racisim, I oppose bigotry. I don't >mean to sound sanctimonious about any of this, but the argument was pushed by >the likes of Whitaker, who is a racist.
No, it was brought up by you.
CF:>>>>>>>Better check Deja News. You are wrong!
>I think he is saying Blacks good - Whites bad. Check out what he has >said about Italians, Chinese and others Alexander. Shocking stuff.
>CF:>>>>>BS! Anything I ever wrote about other races including my own was tongue >in cheek. I shouldn't have done it, because some posters are too intense, and >that kind of humor goes over like a lead balloon. I have apologized on AR >about any racial slurs. None were intended to be serious.
Oh I see, it was all a joke all those times. That's all right then. Lucky your friends are so forgiving of you; pity they are less forgiving of others jokes. Indeed, pity that you are so unforgiving of others' jokes Chuck.
On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:12:39 -0500, fuz <f...@news.nit> wrote: >Susan Cohen wrote:
>> Since you appended this to my post, I have to say that the original post was >> some white racist trying to "prove" his "superiority" by quoting the Bell >> Curve - so I naturally threw it back in his face that that self-same book said >> that Jews & Asains were superior to "whites", so, if he was going to crow >> about being "smarter" than "blacks," he would have to admit to being inferior >> to two groups he most likely hates as well.
>The difference is that jews and asians don't have institutionalized >racial >preferences to land them promotions and university admissions with their >skin color as a criterion. Nor do they have racial "leaders" who cry >racism or cultural bias to excuse academic underperformance. (wouldn't >over- >achieving asians suffer far more from cultural bias?)
But Jews and Asians are not discriminated against nearly as much as black people, they were never slaves in this country, and came to America from places wherein they could potentially be prosperous before they left. It's hard to establish a family as wealthy when that family is enslaved. It will take a while for black people to be generally competitive with others, for the reasons I've mentioned. Affirmative action, whether you like it or not, is the easiest way to start levelling the playing field. By the way, you Nazis have your racial "leaders," so quit pointing fingers. e-mail to 'adtjo...@hotmail.commiepinkobastard'
>> carpenter, black- >> smith, machinist, janitor, potter, etc were common. Many black persons >> filled these occupations and were fully >> competent at them. The tragedy today is that a number of factors have >> acted to >> eliminate these roles. the net result is that the black male has become >> redundant in our society.
Redundant? Do you own a dictionary? You might want to look up the word "redundant." I don't think that's the word you want to use. You stupid piece of shit, you :->
Anonymous wrote: > > > > What part of Africa, China and India (for examples) do whites rule? > I notice you didn't answer this. None of you did.
> I don't think this has anything to do with one race being "better" than > the other, but incidentally, don't whites currently rule South Africa,
So you haven't watched the news for the last 10 years...?
> a > particularly choice piece of land (which I personally think sucks) and > didn't the British rule Hong Kong until the late eighties until they > turned over the city to the Chinese people?
So you're saying that Whites don't rule there anymore, right...?
(And you're also saying that the British are all white, but we'll just let that one slide...)
Bibor Szilard Kiraly wrote: > The whales are intelligent, but they cannot raise a civilization because > they are too "specialised", they don't have hands to build. The blacks are > specialised too (black skin, great body strength and stamina). They were > isolated from the happenings that moved the great civilizations of the > Middle-East/Northern Africa. If we are talking about hatred, my opinion is > that the Arabs and Gipsies are much more "dirty" than the blacks.
> After all, don't forget that the dawn of human history began in Central > Africa (this is told by WHITE scientists).
> A tall blonde from Croatia
> Niklas Löfdahl <leda...@ab.se> wrote in article <3518D031.5...@ab.se>... > > If Blacks are equal to Whites: How come it is the White people that > > colonized the World and White people that rule the World. Surely, there > > must be a reason why the Afican tribes sold their own people to the > > slavetraders. Why did Europe colonize Africa and not the opposite....
In article <6fu94i$...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
inva...@emailaddress.com (Niggerstomper) wrote: > But Jews and Asians are not discriminated against nearly as much as > black people, they were never slaves in this country, and came to > America from places wherein they could potentially be prosperous > before they left. It's hard to establish a family as wealthy when > that family is enslaved. It will take a while for black people to be > generally competitive with others, for the reasons I've mentioned. > Affirmative action, whether you like it or not, is the easiest way to > start levelling the playing field. > By the way, you Nazis have your racial "leaders," so quit pointing > fingers. > e-mail to 'adtjo...@hotmail.commiepinkobastard'
What about CRIMINALIZING discrimination? Have you considered that?
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