The Mechanics of Gassing
John Morris
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> The Mechanics of Gassing
> by Robert Faurisson
Just amazing. This guy wants us to think that a poison safe enough
to use to fumigate barracks was too dangerous to use to kill human
beings.
If you believe that, you should send your checks and money orders to
Robert Faurisson right away. Suckers deserve to parted from their
money.
- --
John Morris <John....@UAlberta.CA>
at University of Alberta <Multi pertransibunt & augebitur scientia>
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Ron Jacobson
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
>by Robert Faurisson
>
>Among all those who make statements, speeches or use sentences in which the
>expression "gas chamber" appears, how many of those people actually know
>what they are talking about?
Good question. Certainly, Robert Faurisson -- an obscure teacher
of French literature -- is NOT one of those who actually know what
they are talking about.
(Some terribly long, boring, condescending rhetoric snipped)
>if I understand correctly, these duties were all performed without gas masks.
You don't understand correctly:
"We put on our masks and dragged the corpses from the different gas
chambers through the corridor into the undressing room, then from
there through the neighboring corridor to the crematory ovens." -- testimony
of "sonderkommando" Szlama Dragon, "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary History
of the Use of Poison Gas", eds. E. Kogon, H. Langbein, A. Rueckerl, Yale
University Press, 1993, page 167.
>possible to enter an area saturated with hydrocyanic acid without taking
>any precautionary measures in the barehanded handling of 2,000 cyanided
>cadavers which were probably still contaminated with the fatal gas.
Cyanide gas does not stick to people.
(snip some)
>Hydrocyanic acid is both inflammable and explosive.
Let's have a look at
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/hydrogencyanide/recognition.html
The minimal concentration at which HCN can explode is 5.6
percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.
(snip rest of Faurisson's drivel)
RJ.
Szaki
percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.>>
Your argument is wrong.
You may say gas at normal, or expended state is 300ppm in a room.
During ventilation or evacuation gas can be compressed, which increases
density and can go to a explosive state. Explosions in chemical plants occur
many instances, even with high standard of safety, when certain state of the
gas or chemical is reached, through compression, wrong mixture, mechanical
failer of equipment etc...
A room filled with hundreds or thousands of bodies, gas can be trapped any
where, even in the victims lung and cavities. Moving these bodies, large
amount of gas can be released in the air.
HCN also dangerous, also can kill a person through skin contact, so gas mask
alone is not a solution.
I didn't hear, these workers wore rubber suit or body protection?
JS
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helge
no comments on:
"the freight lift (which measured only
2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber"
real "death factory" designed to gass/cremate batches of 2000-3000 jews :)
how many jews fit onto that lift ?
what was the time required to move the "thousands" of death jews from
the "gass chamber" to the owens with that lift ?
keep it simple: there was no holocau$t.
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William Daffer
> << The minimal concentration at which HCN can explode is 5.6
> percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
> source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
> So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.>>
>
> Your argument is wrong.
> You may say gas at normal, or expended state is 300ppm in a room.
> During ventilation or evacuation gas can be compressed, which increases
> density and can go to a explosive state.
Nonsense! Compression doesn't increase the relative concentration in
the compressed sample. To increase the ppm you'd have to *remove air
molecules*
> Explosions in chemical plants occur
> many instances, even with high standard of safety, when certain state of the
> gas or chemical is reached, through compression, wrong mixture, mechanical
> failer of equipment etc...
Prove it.
> A room filled with hundreds or thousands of bodies, gas can be trapped any
> where, even in the victims lung and cavities. Moving these bodies, large
> amount of gas can be released in the air.
> HCN also dangerous, also can kill a person through skin contact, so gas mask
> alone is not a solution.
Absorption through contact is much, much slower.
> I didn't hear, these workers wore rubber suit or body protection?
You also don't seem to understand, the workers were Jews.
Here's a trick question: Just how did the Nazis feel about the Jews?
[snip]
whd
--
Seneca, showing us his great understanding of logic
_The premise being wrong_, _the conclusion is wrong_.
Patrick Keenan
news:z1S9c.122536$Cb.1451526@attbi_s51...
> << The minimal concentration at which HCN can explode is 5.6
> percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
> source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
> So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.>>
>
> Your argument is wrong.
While you seem to be making some rather questionable comparisons....
> You may say gas at normal, or expended state is 300ppm in a room.
That's the fatal level, yes
> During ventilation or evacuation gas can be compressed, which increases
> density and can go to a explosive state.
> Explosions in chemical plants
Which are remarkably dissimilar to a room that's had HCN pellets tossed
in...
> occur
> many instances, even with high standard of safety, when certain state of
the
> gas or chemical is reached, through compression, wrong mixture, mechanical
> failer of equipment etc...
So I'm sure you can detail a circumstance where these apply to the Nazi
model of gassing chamber... and fumigation rooms.
> A room filled with hundreds or thousands of bodies, gas can be trapped any
> where, even in the victims lung and cavities. Moving these bodies, large
> amount of gas can be released in the air.
Into a room that is being ventilated, where the doors are open.. the
no-longer trapped gas is instantly diluted and unable to explode.
> HCN also dangerous, also can kill a person through skin contact, so gas
mask
> alone is not a solution.
> I didn't hear, these workers wore rubber suit or body protection?
Not much, because these workers were expected to die. There were no
pension plans.
HTH
-pk
helge
confused holocaustnik Keenan can decide what was the priority:
removing the "victims" from the "gasschamber" or to killing poor
sonderkommando-jews ?
and what about "the freight lift (which measured only
2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber":
bye-bye jewish fairy tale about "death factory" SS designed to kill
"thousands" of jews :)
> HTH
> -pk
Philip Mathews
> John Morris wrote:
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> > alt.revisionism, on 29 Mar 2004 03:48:56 +0100, Anonymous via the
> > Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p-23_Faurisson.html
> >
> >
> >
> >>http://www.ihr.org/journal/jhrarticles.shtml
> >
> >
> >
> >>The Mechanics of Gassing
> >
> >
> >
> >>by Robert Faurisson
> >
> >
> > Just amazing. This guy wants us to think that a poison safe enough
> > to use to fumigate barracks was too dangerous to use to kill human
> > beings.
> >
> > If you believe that, you should send your checks and money orders to
> > Robert Faurisson right away. Suckers deserve to parted from their
> > money.
> no comments on:
> "the freight lift (which measured only
> 2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber"
The lift was about 4 feet by 9 feet. A very good sized elevator.
> real "death factory" designed to gass/cremate batches of 2000-3000 jews :)
Nonsense. 2000 would have been the maximum. And many transports had
smaller numbers.
As it is, a lift this size, with the capacity to lift 1500 kilos, was
sufficient for even the maximum gassing of 2000 people.
> how many jews fit onto that lift ?
Approximately 25, assuming an average weight of 60 kilos, which is
probably high.
> what was the time required to move the "thousands" of death jews from
> the "gass chamber" to the owens with that lift ?
Just short of the number of hours it took to cremate them, the better
part of a day.
> keep it simple: there was no holocau$t.
You mean keep it simple because you are too stupid to otherwise
understand it!
--
Philip Mathews
Szaki
pension plans.>>
Than, why they gave them gas mask at the first place, if they were expected
to die? Also, ventilating so much gas into the atmosphare, can danger
peoples life living in the near by buildings, like the the german guards
them self.
This story is BS.
People affraid to live next to a chamical planet, even though the company
spends great deal of money convincing them it's safe. Back than, they
released poison gas HCL (kill a man in a minute) into the air many times a
day, every day, for years, I have to belive those germans in the camp living
a few yards away, were all healty feel and sleep good.
That's BS!
JS
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Gassen Burnham
"John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
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> Suckers deserve to parted from their
> money.
> - --
> John Morris
How jewish of you, Jack.
Have you been reading the Talmud again?
Gassen Burnham
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> > > alt.revisionism, on 29 Mar 2004 03:48:56 +0100, Anonymous via the
> > > Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v01/v01p-23_Faurisson.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>http://www.ihr.org/journal/jhrarticles.shtml
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>The Mechanics of Gassing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>by Robert Faurisson
> > >
> > >
> > > Just amazing. This guy wants us to think that a poison safe enough
> > > to use to fumigate barracks was too dangerous to use to kill human
> > > beings.
> > >
> > > If you believe that, you should send your checks and money orders to
> > > Robert Faurisson right away. Suckers deserve to parted from their
> > > money.
>
> > no comments on:
> > "the freight lift (which measured only
> > 2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber"
>
> The lift was about 4 feet by 9 feet. A very good sized elevator.
Yeah.... 2.10 x 1.35 meters.....so who gave you the metric conversion chart,
Philthy?...... you would be too miserable to buy one.
>
> > real "death factory" designed to gass/cremate batches of 2000-3000 jews
:)
>
> Nonsense. 2000 would have been the maximum. And many transports had
> smaller numbers.
>
> As it is, a lift this size, with the capacity to lift 1500 kilos, was
> sufficient for even the maximum gassing of 2000 people.
Bwaaaaaahahahaha, you are an imbecile, Philthy..... you cretins say the
whole process took 20 mins.... now 2,000 jews at say 80 kilos each.....
thats 107 trips in the elevator, just to get them to the ovens..... not to
mention loading and unloading time.... the time taken to shave their heads
(after death, when they are covered in saliva, feces and other bodily
products) so the legend goes. time taken to steal the gold fillings and so
on.
The legend just gets more and more complex as we go along, doesnt it,
Philthy?
Tommy
They don't like for people to post this.........................
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
and as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very clever deception,
replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for doing what, in
actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism made on that page
should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than to Revisionism,
including the claims about underhanded motives, a priori assumptions, and
questionable procedures.
I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these rules
are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just as
much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice take
much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at the
peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
Birkenau."
At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of that
figure, the number was reduced to about one million. That's still much too
high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both Jews
and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000,
according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev. Most of the
victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which
is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
figure in the first place.
Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a while
because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not take
up as much room as people would. But the Holocaust fiction requires that
millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps several
hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do so,
and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in the
bricks of the building.
Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
chambers did - and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way - they would certainly
show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
does. But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in buildings
that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor
neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
(apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas chambers
would have had the same staining."
Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on the
bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the delousing
chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue on
the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of the
alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside the
guards' barracks.
By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of us.
One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, one
that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is
that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you began
using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
fumigations.
[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
"In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may vary
considerably under different circumstances."
Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it =does=
form. And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an atmosphere
of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the rate
of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
experiment. I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. That
way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue formation
with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas
chamber scenario.
Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when he
said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
"apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue. "Apparently," my
ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation for
the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and
again.
Jerry Abbot.
Patrick Keenan
> <<Not much, because these workers were expected to die. There were no
> pension plans.>>
>
> Than, why they gave them gas mask at the first place, if they were
expected
> to die?
Because they were also expected to work until they died. They were quite
replaceable.
> Also, ventilating so much gas into the atmosphare, can danger
> peoples life living in the near by buildings, like the the german guards
> them self.
And yet, fumigations using exactly the same substance, but at *much* higher
concentrations, were commonplace.
> This story is BS.
You certainly haven't shown any real reason to consider that to be the case.
> People affraid to live next to a chamical planet, even though the company
> spends great deal of money convincing them it's safe. Back than, they
> released poison gas HCL (kill a man in a minute) into the air many times a
> day, every day, for years, I have to belive those germans in the camp
living
> a few yards away, were all healty feel and sleep good.
I'm not sure exactly *what* you are talking about.
> That's BS!
Zyklon was very commonly used, yes, everywhere from tents to trains to
trucks to homes and barracks. And every time, it was vented into the
atmosphere.
-pk
Gassen Burnham
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
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> Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nob...@cypherpunks.to>
wrote:
>
> >by Robert Faurisson
> >
> >Among all those who make statements, speeches or use sentences in which
the
> >expression "gas chamber" appears, how many of those people actually know
> >what they are talking about?
>
> Good question. Certainly, Robert Faurisson -- an obscure teacher
> of French literature -- is NOT one of those who actually know what
> they are talking about.
>
ROTFL.... And you are, Ronnie?
The guy is a University Pofessor and he did exhaustive research into the
hoax.... what are your credentials, Ronnie?
For full details on Faurisson see:
http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/PORT4FAU.HTML
> (Some terribly long, boring, condescending rhetoric snipped)
As usual, Ronnie snips what he can't rebutt
>
> >if I understand correctly, these duties were all performed without gas
masks.
>
> You don't understand correctly:
>
> "We put on our masks and dragged the corpses from the different gas
> chambers through the corridor into the undressing room, then from
> there through the neighboring corridor to the crematory ovens."
What happened to the head shaving, the tooth pulling and so on, Ronnie.... I
don't think this Dragon fellow, if he ever existed, was credible and I
further suggest that the people you cite are all jews and as such, their
research is tainted by bias.
In other words, Ronnie, your vomit is not worth a pinch of shit!
-- testimony
> of "sonderkommando" Szlama Dragon, "Nazi Mass Murder: A Documentary
History
> of the Use of Poison Gas", eds. E. Kogon, H. Langbein, A. Rueckerl,
Yale
> University Press, 1993, page 167.
>
> >possible to enter an area saturated with hydrocyanic acid without taking
> >any precautionary measures in the barehanded handling of 2,000 cyanided
> >cadavers which were probably still contaminated with the fatal gas.
>
> Cyanide gas does not stick to people.
Please produce your credentials as an expert in the characteristics of
Cyanide gas, Ronnie?
>
> (snip some)
More irrefutabale facts removed!
William Daffer
> "Philip Mathews" <phil...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:c6bd4de7.04032...@posting.google.com...
[snip]
>> Nonsense. 2000 would have been the maximum. And many transports had
>> smaller numbers.
>>
>> As it is, a lift this size, with the capacity to lift 1500 kilos, was
>> sufficient for even the maximum gassing of 2000 people.
>
> Bwaaaaaahahahaha, you are an imbecile, Philthy..... you cretins say the
> whole process took 20 mins....
The gassing, stupid, not the whole process
Jesus, you're one of the stupidest people on the planet.
[snip]
whd
--
Gord McFee:
God the Father ordained the crucifixion of the Messiah.
Joe Bellinger:
And punished the *entire Jewish nation* for the sin of their
leaders in engineering the death of the Messiah by a decision of
their own free will, all predicted by Christ Himself.
[emphasis by whd]
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
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>"Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>They don't like for people to post this.........................
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
I have no problem with you posting it, little tommie. But why is it
that you run from actually *discussing* it -- even to the point of
*lying* about it having been addressed?
Once again, from the very *first* time little tommie parroted this
piece of denier trash on February 8, 2003 and from which zie's been
running every since:
<quote>>and as propaganda goes, it's pretty good. It is a very
clever deception,
>replete with brazen accusations against Revisionists for doing what, in
>actual fact, the Jews are doing. Nearly every criticism made on that page
>should be applied to Holocaust promotion, rather than to Revisionism,
>including the claims about underhanded motives, a priori assumptions, and
>questionable procedures.
>
>I'd like to call attention to two paragraphs, in particular:
>
>[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>"When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of these rules
>are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it would have taken just as
>much cyanide to kill people as it took to kill lice. That's false; lice take
>much more cyanide to kill and they need to be exposed to it for a lot
>longer. He also seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more
>often than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions at the
>peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of the entire time at
>Birkenau."
First of all, what you are attempting here (since you do nothing to
refute the above facts) is called a "tu quoque" and is a tacit
admission that you are guilty of the offence you allege. But you
can't even do that right:
>At one time, it was alleged that 4 million people had died in Auschwitz
>alone. Later, after Revisionists kept pointing out the impossibility of that
>figure, the number was reduced to about one million.
Of course, that figures significantly lower than the 4 million were
also advanced as early as 1946 <Friedman, Filip. This Was Oswiecim:
The Story of a Murder Camp, 1946, p. 14>
And do tell, exactly *which* revisionist (prior to 1989, and based on
what methodology) came up with a number close to what you trumpet
below?
>That's still much too
>high, of course. The number of persons, both prisoners and guards, both Jews
>and Gentiles, who died at Auschwitz during the whole war was about 74,000,
>according to records of the camp unsealed by Mikiel Gorbachev.
And how many persons were selected for death upon arrival, they were
never registered, thus would not be detailed in these books?
>Most of the
>victims died from typhus, which was transmitted by the bites of lice, which
>is why the Germans used gas chambers to disinfest clothing. I wonder what
>sort of "documentation" the Jews used to establish that phony 4 million
>figure in the first place.
The Jews didn't -- the Soviets did, based on an incorrect methodology.
Now that I've given you that hint, how about you actually educate
yourself of what that methodology was, and why it was flawed?
>Anyway, although lice do require a higher dose of HCN to be killed than
>humans, a delousing chamber would have to be operated only once in a while
>because prisoners' clothing (without the prisoners in them) would not take
>up as much room as people would. But the Holocaust fiction requires that
>millions of people be killed in a fairly small number of gas chambers,
>meaning that the average gas chamber would have had to kill perhaps several
>hundred thousand people. Obviously, it would take it many cycles to do so,
>and on each cycle some HCN would have come into contact with the iron in the
>bricks of the building.
Because, of course, there was no hosing off of those walls nor regular
whitewashing, huh, Timmy?
>Even if we might suppose that the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas
>chambers" would not show quite as much Prussian blue as the delousing
>chambers did — and it is not clear whether this would be the case however
>eagerly Nizkor interprets any uncertainty their way — they would certainly
>show more contamination with cyanide compounds than the guards' barracks
>does.
But you see, Prussian Blue is not the same thing as cyanide compounds.
Do you know why?
>But they don't. The level of cyanide compounds found in the alleged
>extermination facilities is about the same as the level found in buildings
>that nobody thinks was used as a gas chamber. That is the point that Nizkor
>neglects to mention, for obvious reasons.
No, this is a point that cannot be determined from Leuchter's tests.
Do you know why?
>[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>"Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have blue stains
>(apparently from cyanide compounds such as prussian blue), the gas chambers
>would have had the same staining."
>
>Not so fast, Nizkook. If there had been =half= as much Prussian blue on the
>bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as there was on the delousing
>chamber, Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>returned to Canada. If there had been even 1/10th as much Prussian blue on
>the bricks of the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" as on the delousing
>chamber, the Jews would still have had a case. But there is =no= Prussian
>blue on the walls of the alleged "homicidal gas chamber."
>
>Let's come at it again from the other direction. If the level of other
>cyanide compounds (besides Prussian blue) on the alleged "homicidal gas
>chambers" had been 100 times greater than on the walls of the guards'
>barracks, then Mr. Leuchter would have had bad news for Mr. Zundel when he
>returned to Canada. But the level of cyanide compounds on the inside of the
>alleged "homicidal gas chambers" is commensurate with the level inside the
>guards' barracks.
Except that Leuchter didn't test for cyanide compounds. He tested
specifically for Prussian Blue, and used a fatally flawed methodology.
Do you know what his methodology was, and why it was flawed?
>By using tricks of phrasing, the folks at Nizkor tell a tale that sounds
>like science and like a high-brow denunciation of the pseudo-facts of
>others. But in fact the reverse is true. It is Nizkor and the rest of the
>Holohoax promotion organizations that are pushing the lie on the rest of us.
>One of the most diabolical of their tricks is saying that the levels of
>cyanide compounds in the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" are higher than
>the background level, meaning that the level is higher than the traces of
>cyanide that you might expect to find, say, in your average new house, one
>that had never been fumigated by Zyklon B. What they are not telling you is
>that after one or two fumigations of your new house, it, too, will have
>cyanide compound contaminations higher than the background level, yet
>nowhere near as much contamination as would eventually accrue if you began
>using your home repeatedly as a homicidal gas chamber. If you did that,
>Prussian blue would form on your bricks, and the overall level of cyanide
>compounds would be about ten thousand times what it was after your
>fumigations.
And you can tell all of this from the Leuchter Report? Do tell where
he even *tested* a building that had never been exposed to HCN...
>[Mike Stein (Nizkor website)]
>"In fact, the formation of prussian blue from exposure to cyanide is not
>well understood. The rate of its formation, if it is formed at all, may vary
>considerably under different circumstances."
>
>Whether we understand =how= it forms or not, we do understand that it =does=
>form.
But it does not always form, making the lack of its presence
insignificant to the question of HCN exposure.
>And anyway, what is so hard about sticking a brick in an atmosphere
>of hydrogen cyanide for various amounts of time in order to measure the rate
>of Prussian blue formation? I'd be surprised if nobody has done this
>experiment.
Of course, the Krakow Institute *did* do such tests, which you would
know if you weren't so ignorant of the history you attempt to refute.
Do you know what else their testing showed?
>I think that it should be done, just to get an idea of the
>different rates that Prussian blue forms under different circumstances. That
>way, we can get partial derivatives for the rate of Prussian blue formation
>with respect to each parameter, and maybe arrive at a generalized
>least-squares model for the formation of Prussian blue in any reasonable gas
>chamber scenario.
>
>Mike Stein interpolated some unnecessary uncertainty into his remark when he
>said that the blue stains on the delousing chamber's bricks were due
>"apparently" to cyanide compounds such as Prussian blue. "Apparently," my
>ass. Those blue stains were =determined= to be cyanide compounds by Alpha
>Analytical Laboratory in Ashland, Massachusetts, and again by another
>laboratory in Krakow, Poland. Folks, let this give you an appreciation for
>the kind of verbal slipperiness that you can expect from Nizkor, again and
>again.
Next.
</quote>
BTW, little tommie -- I never did notice any significant increase in
traffic to e-moo, nor did you manage to post the contents of the
"little tommie" file in the root of its main drive.
Or is that because you got grounded from the computer again?
Tommy
"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message
news:0f9525e0da2ff41b...@news.teranews.com...
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
> in message <106habf...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:5F%9c.28168$gA5.393841@attbi_s03...
> >They don't like for people to post this.........................
> >
>
>http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
>
> I have no problem with you posting it, little tommie. But why is it
> that you run from actually *discussing* it -- even to the point of
> *lying* about it having been addressed?
>
> Once again, from the very *first* time little tommie parroted this
> piece of denier trash on February 8, 2003 and from which zie's been
> running every since:
I don't get it _ why you always mess with me Roger?
Tommy
drive.
> Or is that because you got grounded from the computer again?
I've been grounded for over a month or so. I have to use a stupid winblows
computer that lives in the living room.
But ole Tommy will be back: My GF is going to buy my laptop from my mom and
give it back to me.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
>"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message
>news:0f9525e0da2ff41b...@news.teranews.com...
>> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>> someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
>> in message <106habf...@corp.supernews.com>:
>>http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
>> I have no problem with you posting it, little tommie. But why is it
>> that you run from actually *discussing* it -- even to the point of
>> *lying* about it having been addressed?
>>
>> Once again, from the very *first* time little tommie parroted this
>> piece of denier trash on February 8, 2003 and from which zie's been
>> running every since:
>I don't get it _ why you always mess with me Roger?
Because you keep coming to this forum and lying. It's really quite
simple, little tommie -- are you *ever* going to get around to
addressing the refutation of this article rather than reposting it and
lying about it?
Here is what little tommie has snipped and run from.
Again.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
Well, since it's been December since you were bragging once again
about your l33t ski11z and made more accusations you couldn't support,
what's the reason that you *still* haven't touched this Windoze
l00zer's box?
*Then* we can get back to addressing the rest of the lies you continue
to run from.
Tommy
"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
> in message <106hdou...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message
> >news:0f9525e0da2ff41b...@news.teranews.com...
>
> >> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> >> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> >> someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
> >> in message <106habf...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
>
> >> I have no problem with you posting it, little tommie. But why is it
> >> that you run from actually *discussing* it -- even to the point of
> >> *lying* about it having been addressed?
> >>
> >> Once again, from the very *first* time little tommie parroted this
> >> piece of denier trash on February 8, 2003 and from which zie's been
> >> running every since:
>
> >I don't get it _ why you always mess with me Roger?
>
> Because you keep coming to this forum and lying. It's really quite
> simple, little tommie -- are you *ever* going to get around to
> addressing the refutation of this article rather than reposting it and
> lying about it?
>
> Here is what little tommie has snipped and run from.
>
> Again.
You can't refute Abbot so you push it on me..I posted what Abbot wrote.
Tommy
"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message
> In one age, called the Second Age by some,
> (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
> someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
> in message <106hefq...@corp.supernews.com>:
>
> >"Roger" <roger@ . > wrote in message tommie" file in the root of its main
> >drive.
>
> >> Or is that because you got grounded from the computer again?
>
> >I've been grounded for over a month or so. I have to use a stupid
winblows
> >computer that lives in the living room.
> >
> >But ole Tommy will be back: My GF is going to buy my laptop from my mom
and
> >give it back to me.
>
> Well, since it's been December since you were bragging once again
> about your l33t ski11z and made more accusations you couldn't support,
> what's the reason that you *still* haven't touched this Windoze
> l00zer's box?
You lie! YOu never ask me to test your security Roger. Are you asking me to
test your firewall?
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
Umm -- little tommie? What you keep snipping and running from *is*
the refutation. You said over a year ago that you were going to
research this and be able to talk about it intelligently. Why do you
keep posting it and lying about its refutation when you haven't even
bothered to do that.
Here's what little tommie is running from.
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
As I said at the time you started to try to distract from your various
lies with your little challenge, little tommie:
<quote>
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
in message <2913657.Bk2Z2tnbhP@FreeBSD>:
>Roger wrote:
>>>How about this: I give you my IP and make a public statment in this news
>>>group and ask you to test my security........You would make the same
>>>statment and say : Tommy would you test my security and well see 'who'
>>>knows computers............I'm guessing you couldn't even hack a windows
>>>box, much less hack Unix.......WHAT SAY YOU ROGER? WANT TO GO AT IT? Don't
>>>be a pussy....Come on man, show the nizkooks how computer savy you are.
>> I have nothing whatever to prove, little tommie -- I'm not the one
>> trying desperately to distract from my lies and ignorance.
>You bascialey called me a computer illiterate from a post that I or made
>from my mom's windows box.
And proved it with your own words, posted from your *sister's* box.
Without having your need to distract from your lies in this forum.
>> And wasn't it you that threw a tantrum because I suggested you might
>> be a hacker? Changed that song in a hurry, didn't you?
>No! You took a post I made out of context.............You then sent it to
>supernews and they got in touch with my ISP...
I did? And you can prove this, can you?
>This is what I said: "I said the Government claimed they were going
>confonscate the belongings of all terrorist orgs operating in the U.S.
>
>What if someone launched a DOS attack against the JDL. Rubin died in jail
>the other plead guilty to terrorism. Ok, FBI considers the JDL a terrorist
>org..My point was this. If you would launch a dos attack on servers that
>should have been confonsacted by the government would that be illagel?
>
>Here is what happens: Just for making the above statment the FBI will come
>to your house, claiming they have proable cause of a computer crime that
>may or may not take place. They call it wire crimes or somthing like that.
None of which addresses either your lies, or the fact that you didn't
know the difference between a shell, a platform, and a terminal.
Have you figured that out yet?
>> What the hell, I kinda bored: it *might* be amusing to see you try.
>Just need you to make a public statment and ask me to test your security.
>SIMPLE AS THAT.
What I have already said is all you are going to get.
>> Now, a *real* hacker wouldn't need me to *give* them anything, but
>> I'll be generous -- the computer *does* does have a valid DNS entry,
>> accessible from any connected box. The computer name is e-moo (no you
>> don't get the domain -- if you're so l33t you don't need it.) It is
>> now 7:08 Central (that's another hint, BTW.) There is a file in the
>> root named "little tommie." Post its contents here within a week --
>> if you can.
>LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING! I'M NOT A HACKER AND YOU HAD BETTER NOT EVER SAY
>SHIT LIKE THAT AGAIN!
Or what? You'll throw yourself to the grown and kick and scream?
>What the fuck is wrong with you Roger? YOu called me
>a compurt idiot, I said I would show ya an idiot..lookit, If I post my IP
>and ask you to test my security and tell you to come in.........than
>nothing is wrong with that.........I'm saying hack away. I've got an old
>laptop running openBSD as a router at the front+IPF. YOu would have to hack
>that first..That's what I connect to tooo get to the net. OpenBSD is my
>router. On my end I have IPFW/FeeBSD firewall.
>
>I doubt you could hack your own computer much less crack this
>www.openbsd.org
Nor have I any need to: I'm not the one trying vainly to distract
from the fact that my lies have been so effortlessly and continuously
exposed due to my almost complete ignorance of those topics I try to
pontificate on.
The clock's ticking, little tommie....
</quote?
Tommy
> The clock's ticking, little tommie....
>
> </quote?
YOU KNOW DAMN GOOD AN WELL I CAN'T DO ANYTHING FROM THIS PC. You stupid
idiot! Geeeeeeeeeeeee, buffer overflow just fly's by on these windows
computers (Note Sarcasm)
IDIOT!
Patrick Keenan
news:106habf...@corp.supernews.com...
> "Szaki" <sza...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:5F%9c.28168$gA5.393841@attbi_s03...
> They don't like for people to post this.........................
>
> http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/denial-of-science.html
If they don't, then why is it there?
-pk
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be Tommy wrote
Why not? I could. Besides, you've had since December...
Philip Mathews
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4068a...@127.0.0.1...
No, moron, no one ever said the entire operation took 20 minutes.
How does it feel to be an abject simpleton, Ross Cummins?
--
Philip Mathews
"Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even
supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be
content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to
acquire it."
Samuel Johnson
Philip Mathews
Poor Cummins, nothing left but pathetic Jew hatred. At least when he
attempted to hide it with his juvenile sense of humor he didn't appear
quite so transparently stupid.
Kurt Knoll
"Philip Mathews" <philip...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3D7ac.131931$Cb.1478543@attbi_s51...
Is it really True Mathews the Germans Gassed the Jews first and after
this the Shaved of their Hair off ?.
Kurt Knoll.
=
Szaki
quite
> replaceable.
feel, if you had to carry out dead American, just been gassed, every day,
many times over? Not every one can do that! Unless you're Ted Bandy!
<<<And yet, fumigations using exactly the same substance, but at *much*
higher
> concentrations, were commonplace.
Maybe, with lot of safety precautions. At least check, which way the wind is
blowing, he!
I had my apartment fumigated against flees,(cause the cat) I had to stay out
of it for half a day, than had to wash off most areas, like the kitchen.
Bet, they didn't use HCL!
<<<Zyklon was very commonly used, yes, everywhere from tents to trains to
> trucks to homes and barracks. And every time, it was vented into the
> atmosphere.
That's a big word "vented into the atmosphere" . I don't think it's as
simple as that, some 100 cubic meter of gas, just killed thousands of
people in a few minutes, blown out to the air, to the camp area. BS.
JS
Philip Mathews
> Is it really True Mathews the Germans Gassed the Jews first and after
> this the Shaved of their Hair off ?.
Yup.
Is it true Knoll that you are a dying breed of Nazi apologist?
--
Philip Mathews
Kurt Knoll
Just look at it the Master Jew Mathews is Lying himself out of the
Question I did ask. Could it be you don't how to handle your own
Fabrications. PS I will be around for a long time jet, Enjoy it while
you can.
Kurt Knoll.
=
William Daffer
> <<< Because they were also expected to work until they died. They were
> quite
>> replaceable.
> BS. You don't even know how long they lasted. Day or two? How would you
> feel, if you had to carry out dead American, just been gassed, every day,
> many times over?
Why would the gas an American every day many times over?
> Not every one can do that!
They could if the choice was to be shot.
> Unless you're Ted Bandy!
What does he have to do with it?
>
> <<<And yet, fumigations using exactly the same substance, but at *much*
> higher
>> concentrations, were commonplace.
>
> Maybe, with lot of safety precautions.
And those same precautions wouldn't work when gassing *people*
precisely why?
> At least check, which way the
> wind is blowing, he! I had my apartment fumigated against
> flees,(cause the cat) I had to stay out of it for half a day, than
> had to wash off most areas, like the kitchen. Bet, they didn't use
> HCL!
Then why is your experience a counter-example to anything?
And it's HCN, brainiac.
>
> <<<Zyklon was very commonly used, yes, everywhere from tents to trains to
>> trucks to homes and barracks. And every time, it was vented into the
>> atmosphere.
>
> That's a big word "vented into the atmosphere" . I don't think it's
> as simple as that, some 100 cubic meter of gas, just killed
> thousands of people in a few minutes, blown out to the air, to the
> camp area. BS.
It's 100 cubic meters of air with gas at the concentration of 300
ppm. Just how quickly will the concentration drop to acceptable
levels of, say, 50 ppm?
whd
--
'To me, there is no such thing as a "freedom fighter".'
Pat Blakely in
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9r2jns%24mv9%241%40suaar1aa.prod.compuserve.com
Ron Jacobson
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> The minimal concentration at which HCN can explode is 5.6
>>percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
>>source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
>>So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.>>
>Your argument is wrong.
>You may say gas at normal, or expended state is 300ppm in a room.
>During ventilation or evacuation gas can be compressed, which increases
>density and can go to a explosive state.
You don't seem to have any idea what gas is.
If the concentration of gas A (hydrogen cyanide in this
case) within gas B (air in this case) is 300 parts per
million (ppm), then there is no way whatsoever that its
concentration will increase to 56,000 ppm (the minimal
flammable concentration) by ventilation, since:
1. Ventilation doesn't increase the concentration
of gas by a factor of nearly 200 (!!!).
2. Even if so, then the RELATIVE concentration of HCN
within the air will not change.
I seriously suggest that you go back to junior high
(and learn something this time).
You may also ask yourself how hydrogen cyanide was routinely
used in much higher concentrations (for delousing) without any
explosions occurring.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
helge <he...@helge.net> wrote:
(snip re-reposted stuff)
>no comments on:
>"the freight lift (which measured only
>2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber"
Let's see. The elevator had to go 2.5 meters (from the basement
to the ground floor). It could have easily hauled 5 corpses per
minute. That is 300 per hour, or 7,200 per day -- and this is
really a lower estimate.
Considering that this figure is for one crematorium only, It
is clear that the elevators were far more than enough to handle
the task.
Go back to grade school, genius.
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Gassen Burnham <gassen_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>news:c48mf4$ds3$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> Good question. Certainly, Robert Faurisson -- an obscure teacher
>> of French literature -- is NOT one of those who actually know what
>> they are talking about.
>ROTFL.... And you are, Ronnie?
More than Faurisson, obviously.
>The guy is a University Pofessor and he did exhaustive research into the
>hoax....
He taught French literature, gassy. How does that qualify him
to speak on chemistry?
(snip some)
>> You don't understand correctly:
>>
>> "We put on our masks and dragged the corpses from the different gas
>> chambers through the corridor into the undressing room, then from
>> there through the neighboring corridor to the crematory ovens."
>What happened to the head shaving, the tooth pulling and so on, Ronnie....
The witness Szlama Dragon does testify about it: "In the first
corridor, near the entrance door, the barbers shaved the heads, and,
in the second, dentists pulled out the teeth."
>I don't think this Dragon fellow, if he ever existed, was credible and I
>further suggest that the people you cite are all jews and as such, their
>research is tainted by bias.
Yes gassy, I was wondering how long it will take you to pull
that one.
(snip some)
>> Cyanide gas does not stick to people.
>Please produce your credentials as an expert in the characteristics of
>Cyanide gas, Ronnie?
Please tell me, gassy, just how a gas with a boiling point
of 26 degrees centigrade, at a very low concentration, can "stick"
to people?
(on Faurisson's assertion that the hydrogen cyanide gas would
"explode")
>> Let's have a look at
>> http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/hydrogencyanide/recognition.html
>>
>> The minimal concentration at which HCN can explode is 5.6
>> percent (which equals 56,000 parts per million, ppm). The same
>> source will tell you that a mere 300 ppm is lethal within minutes.
>> So, there was no danger of explosion whatsoever.
No comment, gassy? You're not going to assert that each and
every text on hydrogen cyanide was written by Jews?
RJ.
hans habiger
>
Knoll hau ab mit deiner Nazischeisse
>
> =
Kurt Knoll
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
I wonder if you ever wend to school but then again you are not as bad as
some of your previous posters that say they but 29 Corpses in the
Elevator. The Holohoax Saga is getting more Confused every Time you
Holohoax Promoter com up with a new Idea. Do you really believe People
believe your Bullshit.
Kurt Knoll.
=
Andrew
Why? That's basically exactly what they used to do when they gassed
people in the US, using the exact same gas as was used in Nazi
Germany.
--Drew
Ron Jacobson
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
(on the "sonderkommando")
>Than,
"Then".
> why they gave them gas mask at the first place, if they were expected
>to die?
They were not expected to die the second they entered the
chambers, genius.
> Also, ventilating so much gas into the atmosphare, can danger
>peoples life living in the near by buildings, like the the german
>guards them self.
Wrong, genius. Hydrogen gas was used intensively to fumigate ships,
dwellings, barracks, and mills. The Germans would not have used it
if it made the fumigated places or their surroundings dangerous. After
usage, the gas is very easy to ventilate. Being lighter than air,
it rises and dissipates quickly.
(snip some)
>released poison gas HCL
What's "HCL", genius?
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>I had my apartment fumigated against flees,(cause the cat) I had to stay out
>of it for half a day, than had to wash off most areas, like the kitchen.
>Bet, they didn't use HCL!
I am asking again, genius: just what is this "HCL" gas you
keep referring to?
You little burned-out bulb -- you don't even know what gas the Nazis
used, right?
>> Zyklon was very commonly used, yes, everywhere from tents to trains to
>> trucks to homes and barracks. And every time, it was vented into the
>> atmosphere.
>That's a big word "vented into the atmosphere" . I don't think it's as
>simple as that, some 100 cubic meter of gas, just killed thousands of
>people in a few minutes, blown out to the air, to the camp area. BS.
Why "BS", genius? It has been repeatedly explained to you that
HCN (get it? HCN, not HCL) was used all over Europe to fumigate
houses, ships, barracks, mills etc. Why would they use it if
it was so "dangerous" to ventilate as you claim it was?
RJ.
Ron Jacobson
Kurt Knoll <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
(snip some)
>Do you really believe People believe your Bullshit.
Do you really believe people believe YOUR bullshit, Kurt?
Such as the following?
"I was 12 Years old at wars end. In 1942 I spent half the night up in
the Attic were my parent gave me a basin of water some sand and a Broom
stick making sure die 'Stabbrandbomben' Would not ignite again. The next
day I did touch one of these Bombs with my hands and did a Phosphor
infection from it. The Unique thing about Phosphor Bombs is that after
Extinction if the were exposed to Oxygen they will Ignite again." --
post by Kurt Knoll to this forum, 2003-11-14 15:59:54 PST.
Now let me get this straight. You were 12 in 1945, hence 9 years
old in 1942. And you tell us that your parents put you in the attic
with a "basin of water, sand, and a broomstick (!!??)" to watch over
a "Stabbrandbomben" and make sure it will not ignite again?
Get this, folks? His parents put a 9 year old boy (and not
just an ordinary boy, but our own Kurt Knoll, not exactly a clever
boy) to watch over a "Stabbrandbomben". They even gave him a
broomstick (presumably to beat up the bomb if it ignited again?).
And what did they do in the meanwhile? Have a beer?
You REALLY expect us to believe this, Kurt?
RJ.
steve wolk
Maybe he'll tell you when he rises to that level.
--
There is a small minority of the world's population who, by virtue of their
boorish and uneducated bearing, are not fit to associate with civilized
society. If you made a hierarchy of all the people in this
sub-underclass, the MBFDU, Ross Cummins, would be ranked in the bottom
quartile. Scum in
human form.
Patrick Keenan
> quite
> > replaceable.
> BS. You don't even know how long they lasted. Day or two?
Depends on the fitness of that particular sonderkommando.
> How would you feel,
The feelings of someone living far away, in time and space, from that war
and that situation are really not relevant to what happened there and then.
> if you had to carry out dead American,
They weren't carrying out Americans. They were carrying out mostly older
men and women and small children who did not pass the work selection.
> just been gassed, every day,
> many times over?
Generally, they were gassed once. No need to gas them more than that.
> Not every one can do that! Unless you're Ted Bandy!
Ted Bundy didn't gas his victims.
>
> <<<And yet, fumigations using exactly the same substance, but at *much*
> higher
> > concentrations, were commonplace.
>
> Maybe,
Definitely. You'd know this if you knew anything at all about this
subject.
> with lot of safety precautions.
So you don't know anything about this subject. Thanks for clearing this
up.
> At least check, which way the wind is
> blowing, he!
> I had my apartment fumigated against flees,(cause the cat) I had to stay
out
> of it for half a day, than had to wash off most areas, like the kitchen.
> Bet, they didn't use HCL!
It's HCN, and no, they would not have used it for fleas. However, HCN
*was* most commonly used for fumigations at the time. For lice, the
concentration is around 7000 ppm for 72 hours. For humans, it's 300ppm for
30 minutes.
> <<<Zyklon was very commonly used, yes, everywhere from tents to trains to
> > trucks to homes and barracks. And every time, it was vented into the
> > atmosphere.
>
> That's a big word "vented into the atmosphere" .
It's four words, not one.
> I don't think it's as simple as that,
Guess what? You're wrong.
> some 100 cubic meter of gas,
Oh please. It would be 100 cubic meters of air, containing some
concentration of HCN gas. The instant that 100 cubic meters reaches the
outer air, the concentration drops relative to the new volume.
> just killed thousands of people in a few minutes,
HCN is deadly, and can kill in a few minutes, yes. Check the Merck index.
> blown out to the air, to the camp area. BS.
Yes, you seem to be promoting quite a bit of BS. Why don't you try
learning something about the subject first?
-pk
Gassen Burnham
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
He is Aryan, a jew like you would have scavanged as much of the steel you
could from the bomb and hawk it to one of your scrap metal dealing
tribesmen.
Have you ever seen WPh explode or what it does, Ronnie?
You wouldn't have a clue, you pimply assed pubescent.
Gassen Burnham
>
> "Gassen Burnham" <gassen_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4068a43f$1...@127.0.0.1...
> >
> > "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> > news:h69f60hqkrhsrjvhe...@4ax.com...
> >
> > > Suckers deserve to parted from their
> > > money.
> > > - --
> > > John Morris
> >
> > How jewish of you, Jack.
> > Have you been reading the Talmud again?
>
> Poor Cummins, nothing left but pathetic Jew hatred. At least when he
> attempted to hide it with his juvenile sense of humor he didn't appear
> quite so transparently stupid.
>
> --
> Philip Mathews
ROTFL.... Old Philthy longs for me to go back to making wisecracks instead
of posting facts.
Not on, Philthy, thank your net cop buddies for waking the sleeping bear.
Szaki
his Jewish mother skirt.
Wondering, when he'll be as hairy as her mommy up-there.
JS
"Gassen Burnham" <gassen_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:406a4...@127.0.0.1...
Ron Jacobson
Szaki <sza...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Yes, While Kurt was watching the bomb, Ron boy was licking ice cream under
>his Jewish mother skirt.
>Wondering, when he'll be as hairy as her mommy up-there.
(further obscenities by "Gassen Burnham" snipped)
Guys, I can understand that you're angry at me having
exposed the hoax of the alleged "bombing" of Kurt Knoll's
town, but can you try and act like grownups?
By the way, note how silent Kurt became after the
hoax was exposed...
RJ.
--
"Time to get to work on milking the David Duke list". --
January 7 1995 entry from David Irving's diary, in which
he discusses his plan to solicit donations from David
Duke's list of "best contributors". For further details,
check out http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com/rwe/004-020.html.
Kurt Knoll
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
What Hoax You Fuckhead. Nuremberg was Bombed on January 1945 and the old
part of Town almost Totally Destroyed and it is all Documented.
Kurt Knoll.
=
helge
> In article <40680...@news3.uncensored-news.com>,
> helge <he...@helge.net> wrote:
>
> (snip re-reposted stuff)
>
>
>>no comments on:
>>"the freight lift (which measured only
>>2.10 meters by 1.35 meters) which led to the crematory chamber"
>
>
> Let's see. The elevator had to go 2.5 meters (from the basement
> to the ground floor). It could have easily hauled 5 corpses per
> minute. That is 300 per hour, or 7,200 per day -- and this is
> really a lower estimate.
>
even if the elevator needed 1 minute to lift the load from the "gass
chamber" to the ground floor, there was another time required to
load and unload the elevator, and return the elevator to the "gasschamber".
and according to the holocau$t fable, the victim's hair was cut, golden
teeth pulled out, the "gasschamber" was hosed and cleaned, etc.
and it is obvious that all those tasks couldn't be done in parallel -
one can not "cremate and shave hair", "cremate and pull the theeth",
"clean the "gasschamber" full of corpses" - in order to execute one of
these tasks the previous task needs to be completed.
> Considering that this figure is for one crematorium only, It
> is clear that the elevators were far more than enough to handle
> the task.
>
there was only 1 elevator in Krema II.
> Go back to grade school, genius.
>
> RJ.
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Ron Jacobson
Kurt Knoll <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>What Hoax You Fuckhead. Nuremberg was Bombed on January 1945
Can you please decide, Kurt? In the following hallucination
which you posted, you spoke of 1942:
"I was 12 Years old at wars end. In 1942 I spent half the night up in
the Attic were my parent gave me a basin of water some sand and a Broom
stick making sure die 'Stabbrandbomben' Would not ignite again. The next
day I did touch one of these Bombs with my hands and did a Phosphor
infection from it. The Unique thing about Phosphor Bombs is that after
Extinction if the were exposed to Oxygen they will Ignite again." --
post by Kurt Knoll to this forum, 2003-11-14 15:59:54 PST.
>and the old
>part of Town almost Totally Destroyed and it is all Documented.
"Documented"? He-he-he.
Kurt Knoll
Ron Jacobsen will come with another Story Tomorrow Just cant wait what
he will be saying then.
Kurt Knoll.
=
Ron Jacobson
helge the horse <he...@helge.net> wrote:
>Ron Jacobson wrote:
>> Let's see. The elevator had to go 2.5 meters (from the basement
>> to the ground floor). It could have easily hauled 5 corpses per
>> minute. That is 300 per hour, or 7,200 per day -- and this is
>> really a lower estimate.
>you are an idiot.
Let's see about that, horsie.
>even if the elevator needed 1 minute to lift the load from the "gass
>chamber" to the ground floor,
You are asserting that it takes an elevator 1 minute to travel
a distance of 2.5 meters?
And you call others "idiot"?
>there was another time required to
>load and unload the elevator, and return the elevator to the "gasschamber".
Add a few seconds. No more.
>and according to the holocau$t fable, the victim's hair was cut, golden
>teeth pulled out, the "gasschamber" was hosed and cleaned, etc.
But that has nothing to do with the elevator's capacity, horsie.
>and it is obvious that all those tasks couldn't be done in parallel -
>one can not "cremate and shave hair", "cremate and pull the theeth",
>"clean the "gasschamber" full of corpses" - in order to execute one of
>these tasks the previous task needs to be completed.
Assume you have 1,500 corpses. You don't have to first remove
ALL of them from the chamber, then cut the hair from ALL of them,
then move ALL of them to the ground floor, etc. Right, horsie?
Ever hear of an assembly line? You have some fine car factories
in Germany, right? Go take a look.
>> Considering that this figure is for one crematorium only, It
>> is clear that the elevators were far more than enough to handle
>> the task.
>there was only 1 elevator in Krema II.
But the gassing and cremating was distributed among all the
crematoriums, right? And that would lower the number per
each crematorium, right? So each individual elevator would
have a smaller number of corpses to haul, right?
steve wolk
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
> In article <10807422...@critter.monarch.net>,
> Kurt Knoll <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>
> >What Hoax You Fuckhead. Nuremberg was Bombed on January 1945
>
> Can you please decide, Kurt? In the following hallucination
> which you posted, you spoke of 1942:
>
> "I was 12 Years old at wars end. In 1942 I spent half the night up in
> the Attic were my parent gave me a basin of water some sand and a Broom
> stick making sure die 'Stabbrandbomben' Would not ignite again. The next
> day I did touch one of these Bombs with my hands and did a Phosphor
> infection from it. The Unique thing about Phosphor Bombs is that after
> Extinction if the were exposed to Oxygen they will Ignite again." --
> post by Kurt Knoll to this forum, 2003-11-14 15:59:54 PST.
>
> >and the old
> >part of Town almost Totally Destroyed and it is all Documented.
>
> "Documented"? He-he-he.
Oops! Well that's what happens when a moron lies. Even a genius has
trouble keeping up with lies. For mindless mutts like Scheisskopf, it's
impossible.
Philip Mathews
> "Philip Mathews" <philip...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:WE7ac.131955$Cb.1477588@attbi_s51...
> >
> > "Gassen Burnham" <gassen_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4068a43f$1...@127.0.0.1...
> > >
> > > "John Morris" <John....@UAlberta.CA> wrote in message
> > > news:h69f60hqkrhsrjvhe...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > > Suckers deserve to parted from their
> > > > money.
> > > > - --
> > > > John Morris
> > >
> > > How jewish of you, Jack.
> > > Have you been reading the Talmud again?
> >
> > Poor Cummins, nothing left but pathetic Jew hatred. At least when he
> > attempted to hide it with his juvenile sense of humor he didn't appear
> > quite so transparently stupid.
> ROTFL....
Ross Cummins apparently is only able to roll around on the floor!
>Old Philthy longs for me to go back to making wisecracks instead
> of posting facts.
Your attempts at argument don't require any rebuttal, moron.
As it is, you've been trounced with facts for years.
Now get up off the floor and read a book.
--
Philip Mathews
Philip Mathews
> Just look at it the Master Jew Mathews is Lying himself out of the
> Question I did ask.
Not a lie that you can prove, Nazi moron!!
--
Philip Mathews
Kurt Knoll
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
What is wrong with that I was not in Nuremberg in January 1945 but the
Bombing of the old city took place but it did happen.
Kurt Knoll.
=
Ron Jacobson
Kurt Knoll <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
>news:c4f4uk$igc$1...@pcls4.std.com...
>> In article <10807422...@critter.monarch.net>,
>> Kurt Knoll <kkn...@uniserve.com> wrote:
>>> What Hoax You Fuckhead. Nuremberg was Bombed on January 1945
>> Can you please decide, Kurt? In the following hallucination
>> which you posted, you spoke of 1942:
>>
>> "I was 12 Years old at wars end. In 1942 I spent half the night up
>> in the Attic were my parent gave me a basin of water some sand and a
>> Broom stick making sure die 'Stabbrandbomben' Would not ignite again.
>> The next day I did touch one of these Bombs with my hands and did a
>> Phosphor infection from it. The Unique thing about Phosphor Bombs is
>> that after Extinction if the were exposed to Oxygen they will Ignite
>> again." -- post by Kurt Knoll to this forum, 2003-11-14 15:59:54 PST.
>>> and the old
>>> part of Town almost Totally Destroyed and it is all Documented.
>> "Documented"? He-he-he.
>What is wrong with that
"What is wrong with that"? Your parents left a 9 year old
boy to watch over a fire bomb? And just what was the broomstick
for? Give it up, no one believes this crap.
> I was not in Nuremberg in January 1945 but the
> Bombing of the old city took place but it did happen.
If you were not there, how do you know?
RJ.
Gassen Burnham
"Ron Jacobson" <rj...@TheWorld.com> wrote in message
Non of us have any doubt as to the composition of the volumes of gas you
vent daily, Ron.
Joebruno
More noxious gas comes out of Kurtsie's mouth in one day than the
Nazis used in Auschwitz during the whole of WWII.