NOW, I put all you scumbags on the otherside of that door on notice;
The next time David Irving is in NYC I will be there. However, I will not be
inside, no, I will be outside with 5-6 righteous WNs which I will personally
handpick. Be prepared to meet your maker next time because I promise, you
won't be as lucky as you were tonight.
Interesting that an audience of 20 is trumpted as "a major success!".
I'd call that a clear sign that hardly anybody buys the "revisionist" crap
if they have any options.
*Anvil* drew bigger crowds on their worst European tours.
-pk
Whose funding these "100% successful meetings" of 21 people i a city of many
millions? You?
Jason
it is good to see that despite jewish pressure there are still people who
believein irving
It's fortunate that people are capable
of doing research. Irving was not
capable of giving a presentation, being
in the emergency room of a local
hospital with severe stomach pains.
the crueljews are after his skin and he is therefore suffering verymuch by
the bad treatment he is getting hence the stomach pains
Don't discount the importance of things you are ignorant of.
Anvil, since you don't know, is a Canadian heavy metal band who, while
influential, never quite made the jump to the big time, while thir
contemporaries like Metallica did. In their late 50's, they still toil
away in bars and draw larger crowds than Irving does. But sometimes, those
crowds don't exceed a couple of dozen people.
> what is importantis the fact that 20 people withstood the violence of
> those antifa fuckers
"Withstanding violence" is not really the important factor as the attendee
makes clear that violence is *welcomed*. Did you read the whole article?
What is important is the fact that Irving drew only 20 people, including
those who were hoping for a fight.
This is an expression of abject failure, not a "big success!".
Irving's ideas are clearly rejected by the overwhelming majority of
Americans.
-pk
Your musical tastes don't matter or affect the point, which is that a
badly-promoted and unpopular heavy metal band outside its territory can draw
more people than Mr. Irving can in NYC.
Irving's ideas are clearly rejected by the overwheming majority of
Americans. And at least 5% of those there to see Mr. Irving in NYC
welcomed the potential for violence.
That propensity for violence amongst Mr. Irving's supporters is so
pronounced that they'll fight each other. A few days before Mr. Iving's NYC
talk, he spoke in West Palm Beach, Florida. Two of the less than forty
people there got into a knife fight afterwards - with each other.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1223363/White-supremacists-stabbed-talk-Holocaust-denier-David-Irving.html
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/local_news/epaper/2009/10/29/a1b_binocol_1030.html
"So naturally, Irving's talk drew the upper crust of the area's deep
thinkers. And equally natural, this invitation-only gathering devolved into
an act of supreme embarrassment: a knife fight among the cognoscente."
One is apparently a member of a group called "Volksfront" and the other is
from the "National Socialist White Workers Party" and "Confederate
Hammerskins".
http://downfall14.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/hammerskins-vs-volksfront-at-david-irving-speech-in-palm-beach-fl/
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/10/29/a-night-at-the-ritz-white-supremacists-a-knife-fight-and-a-holocaust-denier/
If Mr. Irving's few supporters are going to try to kill each other at his
events, soon there won't be any need for protest groups; there won't be
enough supporters left.
But the worst for Mr. Irving is that the only places he'll be able to book
as venues will be outlaw biker or skinhead bars, which may not meet his
standards for comfort, catering, or hygiene. They certainly won't be the
Ritz-Carlton.
-pk
> All went well, very smooth Mr. Irving charming a small audience of
> about 20 in an intimate atmosphere.
20 out of 9 million New-Yorkers. Big success, huh? You
stupid shiteating nazi pig...
But venues aren't required to host groups of violent idiots.
And that pretty much describes the core of Mr. Irving's support.
> that the jews and other imbeciles do everything in their power to prevent
> him from doing so is an offense to democracy.
Mr. Irving did everything in his power to prevent other people from
discussing his works.
Why do you not object to that?
> leave the man alone andlet him do what he wants to do
Sorry, but when "what he wants to do" attracts armed goons who try to kill
each other, there are more important social issues.
-pk
It has nothing to do with "democracy", and Mr. Irving has a long history of
trying to prevent other people from discussing *his* work.
It's telling that you don't find his attempts to block the speech of others
as affronts to "democracy".
-pk
And it is interesting to see how very few of them there are.
Some of them apparently come just for the fights.
[IRONY]
THAT IS NOT FAIR! There are only 19 million people in New York
City, and David "See you, Sue you" Irving played to TWENTY!
What an enormous achievement!
What amazing power this man has to draw a massive crowd!
TWENTY!
T-W-E-N-T-Y!!
T--W--E--N--T--Y!!!
Don't you DARE denegrate one of the finest achievments in the
life of David Irving!
Hey! Listen UP! It could have been NINETEEN!
[/IRONY]
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g/
Can you provide proof that the meeting
actually occurred? There is nothing in
the newspapers about it happening and
they would be very interested in it.
It has much in common with you...nothing
So you admit the meeting never occurred.
Thank you
what are you babbling about asif i would care about a meeting taking place
or not. irving may do whatever he wants to doand it serves him right to
tryto defend himself against crueljewish attacks
heavy metal music is no music and the fact that it comes from america makes
it even worse
contact your local mossad office in california
But it was you that posted the lie that
the meeting happened when you knew it
hadn't.
Your posts are not news and the fact
they come from you guarantees it
So you can't, as usual, provide proof.
i am getting a headache from you so go to bed
it is gettinglate for you and that make your replies more childish so go to
bed and dream about irving
why should i provide proof? i am not the one who is whining about proof
You posted an article saying that the
meeting occurred. I want proof that you
aren't lying again
It is getting late for you and your
alcohol consumption has obviously
impaired your already faint grasp on
reality. Go to your stall and dream
sweet things about benji
why on earth did you wake up?
it is 20,16 in the evening andpitch dark with no moon en i am enjoying
another glass of south africanwine. in fact i am often dreaming about you
shut up with your whining doggie boi, grow an onion are get burried with
your nose down
I'm way out of your league
try to say it in the queen's english
correct you would not even meet the minimum standards
Yes, and the violence you see with Irving's supporters here is exactly why
Zundel came to the attention of Canadian security officials.
In the case of Canada, there were already so many people here who knew the
social harm of National Socialism through bitter direct personal experience
that Zundel could never gain any significant local following. The only
ones who would follow him were those who, unable to win through facts,
choose violence.
And those who wish to stop Mr. Irving from speaking must feel they have good
reasons - but you only criticise *them*.
Mr. Irving's reasons for attempting to suppress the speech of others most
likely were based on the reality that, once exposed as defective and false,
his books would not sell.
Examination of their work is a price that *all* historians must pay if they
wish to be taken seriously. It's called peer review and is completely
normal.
Why should Mr. Irving get away without the same scrutiny?
I wasn't until you asked
Oh I could easily afford the 5 euro bribe
You are admitting that you are a queen?
An objective observer would wonder why such noise in New York, then, to forbid such a
little meeting with only 20 people as audience?
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20091113134234537
Do try to keep up. The meeting wasn't forbidden and was held. His message
just doesn't appeal to more than a vanishingly small percentage of the
population.
However, given that Irving's supporters can suddenly try to kill *each
other*, it won't be surprising if venue owners don't want anything to do
with him.
At the moment, Mr. Irving's few remaining supporters are his biggest
problem.
-pk
An objective revisionist would
acknowledge that the meeting was not
forbidden and actually took place. After
all it was called by all concerned "A
big success", wasn't it?
i did not ask that i onkly asked why you woke upto whiuch you replied by
saying to torture you
considering the treatment europeans get fromyou homeland people you
americans are getting the sdame treatment when they are passing customs
A grand total of 20 attendees!
What a triumph...NOT.
--�
PB1...@gmail.com
The right to protest is as much a right as free speech ,yet you seem to
object to it.
--�
PB1...@gmail.com
While this is true, part of the reason is that Mr. Irving's work was
subjected to the same kind of scrutiny that the work of actual historians
is, despite his desperate efforts to prevent this from happening.
His work could not withstand this perfectly normal scrutiny, and its flaws,
errors and distortions were exposed.
This is the very type of in-depth questioning that Holocaust deniers and
"revisionists" claim to want, and it's telling that they - and you -
suddenly object to it when it exposes their own shortcomings.
Indeed, the fact that Mr. Irving sought to prevent people from speaking and
writing about his work, the fact that he sought to prohibit the free speech
that "revisionists" claim they seek is completely ignored or excused.
Suddenly, standards have to be different when it's a "revisionist" work
being examined.
So, tell us. Why should Mr. Irving's work, which are presented as history,
be exempted from perfectly normal scrutiny?
-pk
> Patrick, David Irving is the author of 30 books, while your
> accomplishments would have generous room on the back of a postage
> stamp. Why should I listen to you or to obvious partisans with an axe
> to grind?
And all of them are based upon lies.
Look at what happened with his book about the Narvik and Murmask
convoys.
PQ17 and PQ19 for instance.
The Officer Commanding those convoys successfully sued him because his
'book' was full of lies and libel.
His 'book' about the bombing of Nuremberg was a figment of a nazi
sympathisers imagination.
Thats the two I know of.
I don't hold out much hope for the rest of his 'literary' attempts
You asked, I answered. What's your
problem?
I thought you were dutch
Wow, nothing escapes you, does it?
not that you can prove yitz
> The allied bombing campaign was a mass murder campaign that differed
> only from your accusations by the specific technique employed. Irving
> wrote a book specifically dedicated to Nürnberg, did he? I rather
> doubt it.
His book on Nuremberg was in relation to the War Crime trials. In the
opening chapter he makes some very bad claims about the bombing of the
same city the nazi used as their parade capitol.
A futile attempt to portray the prosecutors as being other than fair
minded!
The we have his attempt to rewrite history with his claims about
Dresden.
Put
Paperback Publisher: Ballantine Books (December 1972) Language:
English ISBN-10: 0345230329
into your search engine and read.
donotthink but aplly for a job at the tsa
lul
it is pay back time old boy
Because the details are something you seem to be missing.
Do you need this drawn as stick men?
-pk
Which have not always passed academic scrutiny.
And by the way, size isn't everything in the publishing world. Lots of
people publish many crappy books.
> while your accomplishments would have generous room on the back of a
> postage
> stamp.
What I might or might not have done, which I would point out you are not
aware of, is not relevant to this.
> Why should I listen to you or to obvious partisans with an axe
> to grind?
One might point out that it's actually the detailed objections of real
historians to Mr. Irving's work that is at issue.
And that's an issue you seem to very much want to obscure.
I'm not sure I wonder why.
-pk
>>
>>-pk
Christkindl Gluehwein
ich danke Ihnen mein Freund
> a viustor of mr.irving's new york meetingpostedfollowing comment Just
> got home from the SUCCESSFUL NYC talk by famed British historian
> David Irving! A major success! Mr. Irving and his entourage contacted
> the faithful earlier than expected, Antifa had planned a 5:30 pm
> meeting to discuss how to best disrupt the 7:00 PM meeting. We
> however met at a new location at 4:00 PM. All went well, very smooth
> Mr. Irving charming a small audience of about 20 in an intimate
> atmosphere.
In other words, they tried to hide.
And Mr Irving drew 20 people out of a metropolitan area of 20,000,000.
Hey, that's successful all right.
ROTFL!
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:43:31 -0800 (PST), george <gbl...@hnpl.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 19, 12:17 pm, Johannes von Ebersdorf <ebersd...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, David Irving is the author of 30 books, while your
>>> accomplishments would have generous room on the back of a postage
>>> stamp. Why should I listen to you or to obvious partisans with an axe
>>> to grind?
>>
>> And all of them are based upon lies.
>
> LOL
The Skaliks answer. He can't address the issue, so he laughs.
> Another worthless generalization by somebody who would have trouble
> putting together a single sentence, let alone a book.
Books have been written showing how Irving falsified his history.
I am sure Irving would love the comparison. Except that Irving is not
starting. He has been doing this for 40 years.
True, but someday you may get the hang
of it
> but aplly for a job at the tsa
Why, they've already done the general
public a service by recognizing you as
euro-trash and treating you appropriately
You have already established you status,
no need to keep repeating it
From keyboard nazis like you? LOL
if it is true that he has been doing this for forty years thenone can say he
is doing something wrong
beware !!! you are on the short list
bal gehakt(meat ball)
yankee go home and stat there
The Jewish asshole won't Aliyah to his homeland. No food stamps there.
It's beyond my understanding how anyone can take you seriously.
You're just a silly clown.
What a comment from s tubby little guy that wears a suite of armor and
looks like a wrecked Yugo. ;-p
This little guy learned hand to hand combat from the Marines he served
with.
The Marines don't box with opponents-they disable them.
wow !!! so you are a rea lfighting machine
I know how to put somebody out of action quickly.
oke deal with ocean to the best of your ability