GOD MYTHS AND FABLES
Bill M
Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone to
provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
objective verifiable evidence for the existence of any real Gods. They are
all based on ancient copies of texts written by hundreds of other men of
totally unknown veracity. There are no original documents in existence
because they were written on parchment which rotted away thousands of years
ago! All that exists are copies of copies etc. of unknown authenticity and
veracity.
Isn't it logically obvious that if any of these documents were the word of
any 'real' god that he would have taken steps to preserve them and
demonstrate their authenticity? They are not historically factual but are
mostly myths, fables, contradictions and impossible tales.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of the ancient religious documents are any
objective 'evidence'. They are all documents hand written, hand copied,
interpreted, modified and further copied, over the centuries, by errant men
with their own personal and selfish motivations. These documents were all
written a thousand and more years before the invention of the printing
press.
All religions are ALL based on ancient myths and fables and NO god has
directly AUTHENTICATED ANY of them.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio and the postal service. IF there is a real God, why does he
not announce to the whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally
effective means, that he is the real God and all the others are fakes? And
why does he not tell us clearly and directly what he expects from us instead
of using hundreds of vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents,
compiled by different religions and hundreds of men of unknown veracity? Why
does he not expose and smite all the false gods?
I'll tell you why. The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN
but quite the opposite; that man created gods!
There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs. Here is a list
of most of these;
Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists
Catholics
Christian Science
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism
Gods:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
Pastor Frank
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>
> Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone
> to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
>
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable
evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you?
You will just have to believe us, that we answer your posts because we
love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose
essence is that very love and care we show others.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
Broderick Crawford ilililililil
> Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone to
> provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
>
We know, it's all bullshit. So are the goblins, ghosts, spirits, tooth
fairies, poltergeist, clairvoyants, sooth sayers, wizards, witches,
aliens (to date), places like heaven and hell, all the books of religion
are man's creation including Jewish fairy tales (Bible), and all the
others are made up bull by superstitious morons from around the first
century. They were scared of their own shadows. Lightening was their god
in a bad mood. So much bullshit. What is surprising is that people still
believe it! The bible says the earth and the heavens were created 6000
years ago and we have light coming from distant galaxies that left there
billions of years ago. We see them as they were billions of years ago.
How can people still believe religious bullshit? They must be dumber
than we can imagine.
Mark K. Bilbo
> Our
Oh shut the fuck up Frank.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Communism, like any other revealed religion,
is largely made up of prophecies.”
- H. L. Mencken
bob young
Bill M wrote:
> Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone to
> provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
>
> Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
Bill I must be gettin old - what is NADA ?
Bob
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:HS2Xi.1763$di....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone
> > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
> >
> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
> John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable
> evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you?
All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise that "what
this book says is true because the book says it's true". That, unfortunately,
is the best that religion has, and ever can offer, as a way of proving it's
God/divine authorship premise, an embarrassingly paltry, painfully childish
claim that would be laughed out of any court, as well as any credible
institution of higher learning.
[Michael Horn]
bob young
Broderick Crawford ilililililil wrote:
Well put
Olrik
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:HS2Xi.1763$di....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>
> > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone
> > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
>
> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
> John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable
> evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you?
Bill is not asking for money. Xians, on the other hand, seem to have
an insatiable need for it. Go figure...
> You will just have to believe us,
That would be *NO*.
> that we answer your posts because we
> love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose
> essence is that very love and care we show others.
lol
Olrik
Bill M
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER!
"Broderick Crawford ilililililil" <bcrawf...@roadrunner.com> wrote in
message news:472cfd87$0$11506$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
can you say RETARD?
that is how they appear to me.
rockymt
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>> Here are the names of the only begotten Son of God - Jesus Christ:
>
Adam, the Last (1 Cor. 15:45)
Advocate (1 Jn. 2:1)
All & in All (Col. 3:11)
Almighty (Rev. 1:8)
Altogether Lovely One (Song of Sol. 5:16)
Amen (Rev. 3:14)
Anchor (Heb. 6:19)
Ancient of Days (Dan. 7:9-11 with Rev. 1:13-16)
Angel [of the Lord] (Gen. 16:9-14; Gen. 48:16)
Anointed, His (Ps. 2:2). See also Messiah.
Apostle (Heb. 3:1)
Arm of the Lord (Isa. 53:1)
Alpha & Omega (Rev. 1:8; 21:6)
Author (Heb. 12:2)
Balm of Gilead (Jer. 8:22)
Beginning (Col. 1:18)
Begotten (One and Only - John 3:16)
Beloved (Eph. 1:6)
Bishop of your souls (1 Pet. 2:25)
Blessed and only Potentate (1 Tim. 6:15)
Branch (Isa. 11:1; Jer. 23:5; Zech. 3:8; 6:12; Rev. 11:1)
Bread (John 6:32-33; 6:35)
Bridegroom (Mt. 9:15; Jn. 3:29; Rev. 21:9)
Bright & Morning Star, see Star.
Brightness of His (God's) glory (Heb. 1:3)
Captain of their salvation (Heb. 2:12; Josh. 5:4)
Carpenter['s son] (Mt. 13:55; Mk. 6:3)
Chief[est among ten thousand] Song of Sol. 5:10)
Child, [the young] (Isa. 9:6; Mt. 2:8-21)
Chosen of God (Lk. 23:35)
Christ (Mt. 1:17; Mk. 8:29; Jn. 1:41; Rom. 1:16; 1 Cor. 1:23)
Comforter (Isa. 61:2; Jn. 14:16)
Commander (Isa. 55:4)
Consolation of Israel (Lk. 2:25)
Corn of Wheat (Jn. 12:24)
Cornerstone (Eph. 2:20; see also Isa. 28:16)
Counsellor (Isa. 9:6; Isa. 40:13)
Covert (Isa. 32:2)
Creator of all things (Col. 1:16)
Daysman (Job 9:33)
Dayspring from on high (Lk. 1:78)
Day Star (2 Pet. 1:19). See also Bright & Morning Star.
Deliverer (Rom. 11:26)
Desire of all nations (Hag. 2:7)
Door [of the sheepfold] (Jn. 10:7, 9)
Emmanuel (Mt. 1:23; see also Isa. 7:14; 8:8)
End, see Beginning & the End. End of the Law (Rom 10:4)
Express image of His (God's) person (Heb. 1:3)
Faithful Witness (Rev. 1:5; 3:14; 19:11)
Faithful & True (Rev. 19:11)
Father of Eternity (Isa. 9:6)
Fellow of God (Zech. 13:7)
First & the Last (Rev. 1:17)
First begotten of the dead (Rev. 1:5)
Firstborn Firstfruits [of them that slept] (1 Cor. 15:20, 23)
Foundation (Isa. 28:16; 1 Cor. 3:11)
Fountain (Jer. 2:13; Zech. 13:1)
Forerunner (Heb. 6:20)
Friend of sinners (Mt. 11:19; Lk. 7:34)
Fulness of the Godhead (Col. 2:9)
Gift of God (Jn. 4:10; 2 Cor. 9:15)
Glory of God (Isa. 60:1)
God (Jn. 1:1; Mt. 1:23; Rom. 9:5; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 1:8)
Good Master (Mt. 19:16)
Governor (Mt. 2:6)
Great High Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Guide (Ps. 48:14)
Head (even Christ) (Eph. 4:15)
Heir of all things (Heb. 1:2)
Helper (Heb. 13:6)
Hiding Place (Isa. 32:2)
High Priest (Heb. 3:1; 7:1)
Holy Child (Acts 4:30)
Holy One [& the Just] (Acts 2:27; 3:14)
Hope of Israel (Jer. 17:3)
Horn of salvation (Ps. 18:2; Lk. 1:69)
I AM (Jn. 8:24, 58)
Image of [the invisible] God (2 Cor. 4:4; Col. 1:15)
Intercessor (Heb. 7:25)
Jehovah (Isa. 26:4; 40:3)
Jesus (Mt. 1:21)
Judge (Micah 5:1; Acts 10:42)
Just One (Acts 7:52)
King (Zech. 14:16)
Kinsman (Ruth 2:14)
Lamb [of God] (Jn. 1:29, 36; 1 Pet 1:19; Rev. 5:6, 12; 7:17)
Last, see First. (Rev. 22:13)
Lawgiver (Isa. 33:22)
Life (1 Jn. 1:2)
Light (Jn. 12:35)
Lion of the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)
Lord [& Saviour] (1 Cor. 12:3; 2 Pet. 1:11), see also Master.
Man (Jn. 19:5; Acts 17:31; 1 Tim. 2:5). See also Son of Man.
Master (Mt. 8:19)
Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5)
Merciful High Priest (Heb. 2:17)
Mercy Seat (Rom. 3:24-25)
Messiah (Dan. 9:25; Jn. 1:41; 4:25)
Mighty God (Isa. 9:6; 63:1)
Minister of the Sanctuary (Heb. 8:2)
Nazarene (Mk. 1:24)
Nobleman (Lk. 19:12)
Offering (Eph. 5:2; Heb. 10:10)
Offspring of David (Rev. 22:16). See also Root.
Ointment poured forth (Song of Sol. 1:3)
Omega. See Alpha & Omega.
One and Only Son, see Son. (John 3:16)
Passover (1 Cor. 5:7)
Peace, our (Eph. 2:14)
Physician (Mt. 9:12; Lk. 4:23)
Plant of Renown (Ezek. 34:29)
Potentate, Blessed and only, see Blessed Prince [& a Saviour] (Acts 3:15;
5:31)
Prophet (Acts 3:22-23)
Propitiation (1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10)
Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Priest (Heb. 4:14)
Quickening (life-giving) Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45)
Rabbi (Jn. 3:2; Mt. 26:25; Jn. 20:16)
Ransom (1 Tim. 2:6)
Redeemer, Redemption (Isa. 59:20; 60:16; 1 Cor. 1:30)
Refuge (Isa. 25:4)
Resurrection & the Life (Jn. 11:25)
Righteousness (Jer. 23:6; 33:16; 1 Cor. 1:30)
Rock [of offence] (Deut. 32:15; 1 Cor. 10:4; Rom. 9:33; 1 Pet. 2:8)
Rod (Isa. 11:1)
Root (Rev. 22:16)
Rose of Sharon (Song of Sol. 2:1)
Sacrifice (Eph. 5:2)
Same, the (Heb. 1:12)
Sanctification (1 Cor. 1:30)
Saviour [of the world] (Lk. 1:47; 2:11; 1 Jn. 4:14)
Second Man, see Man.
Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16, 19)
Seed Servant (Isa. 42:1; 49:5-7; Mt. 12:18)
Shadow of a great Rock (Isa. 32:2)
Shepherd ( 1 Peter 5:4)
Shiloh (Gen. 49:10)
Son (Isa. 9:6; 1 Jn. 4:14)
Sower (Mt. 13:37)
Star (Num. 24:17)
Stone (Psalm 118:22)
Sun of Righteousness (Mal. 4:2)
Surety (Heb. 7:22)
Teacher (Mt. 26:18; Jn. 3:2; 11:28). See also Master.
Tender Plant (Isa. 53:2)
Testator (Heb. 9:15-17)
True Bread, see Bread.
Truth (Jn. 14:6)
Vine (Jn. 15:1, 5)
Way (Jn. 14:6)
Wisdom [of God] (1 Cor. 1:24, 30)
Wonderful (Isa. 9:6)
Word (Jn. 1:1)
>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the grave.
>He is Risen and alive today.
Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it
possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth the
newness of life.
What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe to be
truth and fables?
The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you may.
rockymt
Kenneth Doyle
> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
> earth the newness of life.
Prove it.
Christopher A.Lee
wrote:
Do they not even care what they sound like in the real world? No
embarrassment? Not even any understanding that those in whose faces
they vomit these fairy stories, don't believe them in the first place
so they're hardly going to see it as sensible?
These loonies are like flat Earthers or stork-theory gynecologists.
Kenneth Doyle
Maybe they've got some sort of mantra thing going. They hypnotise
themselves with the rhythm of the words. The meaning of the words would
be entirely irrelevant.
Bill M
"rockymt" <roc...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:JymXi.50308$q7.3...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Short for nothing.
>>
>> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
>> news:D5A.6...@netvigator.com...
>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it
> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth
> the newness of life.
The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid
objective verifiable evidence. Should we believe in a god for whom there is
NO solid objective evidence? The evidence available is quite the contrary.
It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is based purely on faith in
totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable evidence of
any kind.
The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of unknown
veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years. There are
NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have rotted and
disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the originals said.
The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, contradictions
and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone of the English
Bible interpretations.
According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and
everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during this
time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS.
According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly created
this huge complex Universe in six days!
This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named Jesus
to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach his
wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has
existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to
come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself
created!)?
This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth as
a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a virgin
called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous way?
Arrogant humans had to make up a myth
about a god arriving from the womb of another human.
If Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married to
a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all powerful
god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to create? He
supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!
If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he
use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth???
He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After
about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that
he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
commands.
There are no significant records of Jesus', (the Christ) actual existence in
the non religious documents of the era. Depending upon which Bible story you
choose, it is claimed he preached his doctrines for less than one, two or
three years. In any case, why put himself on earth for some thirty
inconsequential years and only use a few of these years to preach his
doctrines? And then not use his omnipotent power to preach to the WHOLE
world instead of just a miniscule part of the world around Jerusalem?
Jesus was baptized. In Christianity, baptism is the sacrament of
regeneration and initiation into the Christian church. According to a theme
of St. Paul the Apostle, baptism is death to a former life and the emergence
of a new person, signified by the conferring of a new name; it is the total
annulment of the sins of one's past, from which one emerges a totally
innocent person. Then why would a 'God Jesus' need to be baptized?
His sermons and teachings only reached a miniscule part of the world
population at that time because he did not speak via the equivalent of
International Radio or TV. IF he was an ALL powerful creator of the world,
he certainly would have the ability to speak to ALL of mankind by means at
least as effective as man. Why did this all powerful god creator wait
100,000 years to come and preach to only a very small segment of the world,
for a very short period of time, (depending on which Bible you choose) and
then leave us without ANY solid objective verifiable evidence of his
existence, his wishes and commands? Why did he not preserve his teachings in
some permanent form for all of mankind in the future? The Bibles were
supposedly written by 56 or more authors of unknown veracity over a period
of thousands of years. There are NO - NADA originals of any of the Bibles in
existence. The originals have all rotted and disappeared thousands of years
ago. They are all hand copies of copies etc. of unknown actual origin and
veracity.
Why would any omnipotent God, creator of this huge complex Universe, provide
his message in such a sloppy, inaccurate, unreliable, questionable and
confusing manor???
Why did he not use his great omnipotent powers to preach to the WHOLE world
from his Heaven, instead of just preaching to an insignificant portion of
the world?? Why did he leave most of mankind totally in the dark?
He supposedly distributed his word via hand copied documents called the
Bibles. Yet NONE of the Bibles were written during his 'claimed' time on
earth. The original Bibles were written and hand recopied more than 1500
years before the invention of the printing press. There is no evidence that
Jesus ever wrote a word. NO ORIGINAL copies of ANY of the Bibles exist so we
do not know what they said! Why did he not preserve them? The Bibles now in
existence are hand copies of copies etc. of unknown and doubtful veracity.
They are largely myths, fables, hearsay and contradictory and implausible
tales. The four books of the New Testament were written and copied somewhere
between 60 and 200 years AFTER Jesus' supposed existence. None of the
authors could have known him directly. They are all third person fictional
narratives of unknown veracity. Why would a real god, creator of this huge
Universe, not arrange for the creation of clear, authentic, contemporary and
permanent copies of his word?
During his brief adulthood, preaching his word, he is 'claimed' to have
restored site to a few of the blind, restored mobility to a few of the
crippled and restored health to a few of the sick. Why was he so niggardly
about helping the poor, the disabled and the sick? Is this the likely
conduct of an all loving God creator?
After the brief period of time he preached, it only reached a very small
part of the world's population. He did not avail himself of any
communication means as effective as Radio, TV, Telephone or the Internet. He
then allowed himself to be painfully and brutally crucified on a cross
between two criminals to pay for man's sins (which he created). If he died
on the cross to save mankind, why was mankind no better off after this
supposed crucifixion than before? Was all this blood and gore for nothing?!
The Roman courts were models of order and fairness. A man was not condemned
without a trial; he was not handed to the executioner before being found
guilty. And yet we are asked to believe that an innocent man was brought
before a Roman court, where Pontius Pilate was Judge; that no charge of
wrongdoing having been brought against him, the Judge declared that he found
him innocent; but the mob shouted, "Crucify him; crucify him!" and to please
the rabble, Pilate commanded that the man whom he had found innocent, should
be delivered to the executioners to be crucified! Also, real criminals were
crucified by being 'tied' to the cross - not nailed! What was the purpose of
all this blood and gore? Why should any REAL god need to suffer for man's
sins??? (which god created)
Why was his life and crucifixion not in any of the numerous historical
documents of the time??? Why is this only in church documents?
If Jesus performed the wonderful miracles the New Testament describes, why
did the people want him crucified? Is it not amazing that a civilized people
would demand that a kind and loving man who went about doing good works, who
preached forgiveness, cleansed the leprous, and raised the dead - that they
could not be appeased until they had brutally crucified the noblest
benefactor of mankind? This makes NO sense at all!
If he could create the Universe and every thing in it, (including sin) why
did he not just forgive man's sins, directly from his heaven, without all
this blood and gore? Three days after he died he supposedly rose from the
dead and returned to his heaven. Why did he wait uncomfortably in a crypt
for three days after his death and internment to return to his magnificent
heaven? Why did he wait 30 years!? How can an immortal god die? Jesus did
not die for our sins. People are still praying to him in his supposed
heaven!
What was the logic and purpose of this gruesome and painful killing? Only a
miniscule part of the world's population at the time would be aware of this
claimed sacrifice.
Billions of people today are still not knowledgeable believers of this
highly implausible story. Why did he not preserve a video tape, DVD or other
permanent record of this historic episode? If man is capable of these
devices certainly a god creator should be equally or more proficient.
Why did he not leave any 'authenticated' documents accurately substantiating
his appearance? Why has he failed to communicate further for over 2,000
years?
He supposedly went through this torture and humiliating death to pay for
mans sins which he himself created! Why did he not just wave his wand and
forgive man's sins and skip all the ridiculous blood and gore??? Why did he
create sin in the first place? This should be no problem for a god that
created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib, and this immense Universe.
Why do people supposedly still have the same sins that he died for?
Why does he encourage or permit Christians to drink his blood and eat his
flesh? Isn't this a pagan ritual?
Why does he continue to allow thousands of greedy self serving men to
deliver his word to his flock in such a vague, inconsistent, contradictory,
and ineffectual manner? There are hundreds of different Christian sects and
beliefs. There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs and
practices. Why does he allow this gross confusion? Why does he not
communicate clearly and DIRECTLY to his entire flock that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes? It would be more responsible and more
effective to eliminate this gross confusion?
If he is the real god, why does he even permit the belief and propagation of
thousands of false gods and false religions?
The Christ tale is obviously not factual history but pure myth.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
contrary; that man created Gods!
Pastor Frank
>>
>> Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone
>> to
>> provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
>> Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
>
> Bill I must be gettin old - what is NADA ?
>
Bill says.
Pastor Frank
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:HS2Xi.1763$di....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>> >
>> > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge
>> > anyone
>> > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually
>> > exists.
>>
>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
>> in
>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
>> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
>> John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective,
>> verifiable
>> evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't
>> you?
>
> All religions rest on the patently illogical, un-provable premise
>
who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
Kenneth Doyle
There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever
existed.
Al Klein
wrote:
That would be true if the words had any meaning, which they don't.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
rockymt
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"What He has done for others, He could do for you; it is no secret what God
can do"
Word from Rev. Thomas Dorsey
So many lives have been changed by the power of the Good News, which is the
Resurrection power.
You say, " prove it." Don't need to nor can I : revelation and truth are
revealed to the heart. Within my inner man( my spirit man) I know it to be
so. I know that I know that I know. This is that miracle of the re-birth.
Flesh gives birth to flesh (natural birth - understood and explained by
natural science)...spirit gives birth to spirit~~ cannot be understood by
science, therefore it requires no scientific proof or evidence to those who
are born again from above. You must be born again, from above, to believe,
and understand ... you have to become like a little child. So let me
emphasize "become" ( with a child-like trust in; being teachable as a child
is) to begin to understand the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, otherwise
it is foolishness, much like it is to those perishing in their sins.
"You may ask me how I know my God is real;
you may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel;
but I know He's real today, He'll always be;
I can feel His hand in mine,
and that is good enough for me."
Words : Mossy Lister
rockymt
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
Nor does it matter. To look to one person or one ideal to guide us
is narrow minded and shallow. Wisdom, understanding and the
correct way to lead our lives comes not from one single role model,
like Paul's Christ or a football player but from us all. I look for
the good in everybody and synthesise the best as my guide. A
casual remark or a wise action can make a difference or remind me when
I have forgotten. Thus I tread my path hopefully gaining wisdom
as I do. There is nothing to be gained by looking to one single
source like the Bible. That is a dead end.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
Pastor Frank
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Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable
evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you?
love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose
essence is that very love and care we show others.
--
Scott Richter
> You will just have to believe us, that we answer your posts because we
> love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose
> essence is that very love and care we show others.
No, you answer the posts because you are the worst sort of proselytizing
religious douchebag. I thought you understood that.
les_on_usenet
wrote:
This is a typical example of Christospeak though I have seen
better.
Unfortunately the only language I understand is plain English
and a smattering of German so the above is mostly as intelligible
to me as Serbo-Croat or Mandarin Chinese.
The problem of course is that if we challenge them to explain
them they either do not answer, get confused or get annoyed. I
suspect they don't want us to analyse what they write just be
impressed by its emotion of it. Of course the more simple
minded and naive you are the more you will be impressed by
it.
It certainly looks looks impressive on first scanning with
phrases such as, "The power of the Good News" (note caps for
emphasis)," revelation and truth are revealed to the heart", "the
mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven" Even his description of birth is
expressed in a highly emotional and colourfull way (flesh gives birth
to flesh) but it soon begins to fall apart when looked at with
a more critical eye.
It soo becomes clear is a triumph of presentation over content as
it does not stand close scrutiny. I suspect all this signifies
mostly nothing. Empty phrases to paper over a worthless belief
and self-delusion into a world of fantasy dreamed up by an
impoverished mind. He is not so much trying to convince us as
himself.
So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
I was going to make some tentative suggestion but my
post got overlong. So I have selected just one, the
one that appears at first sight to be the most impressive:
revelation and truth are revealed to the heart.
=
you can so convince yourself by pretending this god is real
that in your self-delusion your mind start seeing what it
wants to see.
("revealed to the heart" is just an an emotional
way of saying "my mind has started seeing what it
wants to see)
Al Klein
wrote:
>"What He has done for others, He could do for you; it is no secret what God
>can do"
>Word from Rev. Thomas Dorsey
Objective evidence that your god objectively exists?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the
miserable. They find not only sanctuary in the arms of an imaginary
spirit, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated
egos; He will set them above their betters."
- H.L. Mencken
Pastor Frank
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religions, I did. But if you look carefully, you will notice that Christ is
about relationships and commitment, not intelligence, knowledge, logic and
reason. Our relationship with God is a parental one, based upon the love a
father has for his children, and that this parental love is not subject to
logic nor reason. In other words, the kid who loves his Dad does NOT get
what he deserves, because mutual love causes all in such relationships to be
blind to each other's faults and shortcomings.
That is why it's so difficult for some people to get a handle on the
Christian religion in particular.
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>"les_on_usenet" <delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in message
>news:oevti3d452pm03fvn...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:46:49 GMT, Kenneth Doyle <nob...@notmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and
>>>> anyone
>>>> who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
>>>
>>>There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever
>>>existed.
>>
>> Nor does it matter. To look to one person or one ideal to guide us
>> is narrow minded and shallow. Wisdom, understanding and the
>> correct way to lead our lives comes not from one single role model,
>> like Paul's Christ or a football player but from us all. I look for
>> the good in everybody and synthesise the best as my guide. A
>> casual remark or a wise action can make a difference or remind me when
>> I have forgotten. Thus I tread my path hopefully gaining wisdom
>> as I do. There is nothing to be gained by looking to one single
>> source like the Bible. That is a dead end.
>>
> No quite. By all means look around and explore the world's major
>religions, I did.
That is not what I said. Nor is it what I do . It is typical that you
interpret what I say in that light totally overlooking the worlds
greatest literature and poetry and just the ordinary man in the street
a relative or worthy on our radio stations and TV. Even bad people can
be a guide showing us what not to do.
> But if you look carefully, you will notice that Christ is
>about relationships and commitment, not intelligence, knowledge, logic and
>reason.
So what?
So is living a life and that is a much richer and rewarding
experience. Something you seem not to understand stuck in
your myopic fantasy world.
> Our relationship with God is a parental one,
Good for you. So is my relationship with my mother, only it
is real not fantasy.
> based upon the love a
>father has for his children, and that this parental love is not subject to
>logic nor reason.
Your lack of understanding is noted.
> In other words, the kid who loves his Dad does NOT get
>what he deserves, because mutual love causes all in such relationships to be
>blind to each other's faults and shortcomings.
> That is why it's so difficult for some people to get a handle on the
>Christian religion in particular.
I cannot get a handle on a dreamed up fantasy since it is entirely
without substance and im many cases contradictory. Real life in
any case is far more interesting and rewarding though I admit
I do enjoying immersing myself in fantasy now and again. Variety
as they say is the spice of life.
You constant repeating of the same selected quotes from the
Bible just shows how shallow and myopic your understanding
and knowledge is.
Pastor Frank
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> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:04:38 -0500, "rockymt" <roc...@porchlight.ca>
> wrote:
>>
>>"What He has done for others, He could do for you; it is no secret what
>>God
>>can do"
>>Word from Rev. Thomas Dorsey
>
> Objective evidence that your god objectively exists?
> "God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the
> miserable. They find not only sanctuary in the arms of an imaginary
> spirit, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated
> egos; He will set them above their betters."
> - H.L. Mencken
>
and yes we are his children who are indeed as "incompetent and helpless" as
any child with a loving and caring Father. The error is in describing such
children as being "miserable", which they are decidedly not, ...for they
know themselves loved beyond comparison nor reason.
Atheists don't know any such thing, and that is why atheists are
condemned to "wail" complaints eternally in their own private "outer
darkness" of hell. See below
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:8:12: But the children of Satan's kingdom shall be cast into
outer darkness: There shall be wailing (of interminable complaints and
accusations) and the gnashing of teeth (in perpetual frustration and
impotent rage).
rockymt
>
> "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:EDrXi.8729$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote:
>>
>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
>>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
>>> earth the newness of life.
>>
>> Prove it.
>
> <><>><><><><><><><>
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listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't
over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for
yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep
you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you.
He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying).
May God Bless you.
rockymt
Al Klein
<delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
Christospeak:
Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
variety.)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
children smart.
- H. L. Mencken
Pastor Frank
had taken place. The Holy Spirit is in the habit of convincing people like
you. Praise the Lord!!!!!
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet
><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
>
>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
>
>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
>Christospeak:
>
>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
>variety.)
Garbage in garbage out.
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>
>"rockymt" <roc...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:EDrXi.8729$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
>>>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
>>>> earth the newness of life.
>>>
>>> Prove it.
>>
>> <><>><><><><><><><>
><><><><><><><><><><
>><><><><<><>
>> Nov 5 Monday:
>
>
>listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
>to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary:
"The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the
puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient
Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly
transformed into a believer.
Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart
to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe
and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe"
So, in order for the magic of the Bible to work you have to
suspend all common sense, stop thinking, pretend to
believe and you will start believing. (as written in another
post this god thing will then send you something called
the "Holy Spirit" which is this god thing anyway which
will give you the gift of believing itself). So, if you pretend to
believe you will be given the gift of believing (means you have
convinced yourself) and your mind will be so deluded as
to start seeing whatever you want to see.
Well no thanks, the first step to withdrawl from reality
and self-delusion is a semi-detached state that can only
leads to madness. Some of the Christians who post
here are clearly beyond half mad already and
completely detached from this world. I think I will
keeep my sanity the best I can thank you and cling like
mad to reality like my life depends upon it.
>Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed.
"Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment."
- Shakespeare Hamlet Act 1 scene II
here is the complete passage:
"Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue,
Nor any unproportion'd thought his act.
Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar:
Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
Grapple them unto thy soul with hoops of steel;
But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
Of each new-hatch'd, unfledg'd comrade. Beware
Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in,
Bear't that th' opposed may beware of thee.
Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice;
Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.
Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man,
And they in France of the best rank and station
Are most select and generous, chief in that.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all- to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell. My blessing season this in thee!"
> Don't
>over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize.
= Turn off your brain and become stupid and
suggestible. Oly then can you swallow our
nonesense whole.
Yes a very revealing suggestion.
> Find out what is truth for ourself.
Well said! This is why I am not a Christian swallowing your nonesense
whole just on your say so.
This is course something we constantly do here on aa and which
causes your kind the greatest anxiety. The thing you fear most
is doubt and that you might loose your 'faith'. Precious to you
but worthless to anybody else. Well, once again into the
breech dear friends (more of the bard :-)
Where is the truth of the Christian claim there is such a thing as
'god' (whatever it is supposed to be and that the Bible is its word)
Where can I find out this truth for myself? Where is the verification
for these claims? Simplying saying that the Bible is the word of
god does not make it so especially when this god thing has not
rises beyond the status of claimed. Thus far your unverfied claims are
indistinquishable from fantasy and an argument from ignorance.
If you wish us to accept your claim trhat there is something you
call god asking us to stop thinking and just swallow you nonesense
whole is about as far away from a search for the truth as it gets.
> Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep
>you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you.
>He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying).
> May God Bless you.
I looked up 'bless' in an ordinary dictionary. In religious terms it
was again difficult to pin down
Encarta says
make somebody or something holy: to bestow holiness on somebody or
something in a religious ceremony
"Holy" means - saintly: devoted to the service of God, a god, or a
goddess
So blessed means:
make somebody devoted to the service of god
In simpler term "May god bless you" = "may he make you his slave"
I will not respond in kind to you nasty curse.
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet
><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
>
>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
>
>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
>Christospeak:
>
>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
>variety.)
When you boil down offal the result is tripe.
So, garbage in = garbage out.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
>
>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it
> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth
> the newness of life.
>
> What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe to be
> truth and fables?
> The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you may.
>
> rockymt
dear christian nutcase,
as USUAL,. all you people manage to post is more BIBLE BABBLE HORSECRAP that
was written by some ancient superstitious cave dwellers and goat fuckers.
IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO PROVIDE OBJECTABLE, VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE OF THE
EXISTENCE OF YOUR HORSECRAP SKY PIXIE OR ADMIT HE DOESN'T EXIST.
which will you do?
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
>>
>
>
> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
> to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
the babble, er, sorry, the bible, is the ramblings of some superstitious
cave dwellers and goat fuckers and nothing more.
if the bible is the word of your god, then your god is truly a fucking idiot
have you truly READ THE BIBLE, and seen all of the inconsistences and
bullcrap in the bible?
Al Klein
<delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet
>><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
>>
>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
>>
>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
>>Christospeak:
>>
>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
>>variety.)
>
>When you boil down offal the result is tripe.
I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. :)
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
Christopher A.Lee
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet
><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet
>>><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
>>>
>>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
>>>
>>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
>>>Christospeak:
>>>
>>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
>>>variety.)
>>
>>When you boil down offal the result is tripe.
>
>I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. :)
Actually tripe is stomach lining.
Al Klein
I know what tripe is, and I know what offal is, and I have to carry
that picture around all day. Christian carrion.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus
was not born of a virgin."
- Cardinal Bellarmine,[1615, during the trial of Galileo]
les_on_usenet
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:01:22 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
><ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:56:04 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:55 +0000, les_on_usenet
>>><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:44:08 -0500, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:18:03 +0000, les_on_usenet
>>>>><delete...@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So what we need is a Christospeak - English dictionary if
>>>>>>we are going to make any sense of passages like this.
>>>>>
>>>>>Allow me, please. I speak Christospeak fluently.
>>>>>
>>>>>There's one entry in the dictionary - it pertains to any word in
>>>>>Christospeak:
>>>>>
>>>>>Bullshit. (It may vary in British English - I speak the American
>>>>>variety.)
>>>>
>>>>When you boil down offal the result is tripe.
>>>
>>>I really didn't need that picture early in the morning. :)
>>
>>Actually tripe is stomach lining.
>
>I know what tripe is, and I know what offal is, and I have to carry
>that picture around all day. Christian carrion.
Sorry bout that. (well the cows bits anyway)
Al Klein
wrote:
>listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
>to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
Most atheists have done exactly that - which is why they're now
atheists. Your Bible is one of the best arguments for atheism there
is.
> May God Bless you.
May he give you some tiny measure of intelligence.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
rockymt
>>> Short for nothing.>>> news:D5A.6...@netvigator.com...
>
>
>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it
>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth
>> the newness of life.
>
> objective verifiable evidence
. Should we believe in a god for whom there
> is NO solid objective evidence?
<>><><><
><><><
this is a question only you can ask yourself.
Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man?
Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his
father?
what does this all mean to me?
it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out
Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten
Son, so I may have eternal life?
Go to the Word of God....
in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little
everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal
what those words say.
The evidence available is quite the
> contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is
<><><
<><>.....
based purely on
> faith
Right! Stop reasoning. you'll never understand it with your mind. You must
come to God in faith.
<><><>
<><>
in totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable
> evidence of any kind.
>
>
>
> The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of
> unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years.
> There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were have
> rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the
> originals said.
<><><><><>
what is impossible for man is very possible with God. God can and did
preserve is Holy Word. Again you must come to this truth by faith, trusting.
Faith is caught not taught.
><><><
]<><><><>
The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables,
> contradictions and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions alone
> of the English Bible interpretations.
<><><>
<><><
so says the carnal mind. Mmm.
God through man has supernaturally preserved the book s in the Bible, and
don't ask me to provide truth. All I can say is that it still changes lives,
and it can yours too.
<><><
>
>
>
> According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and
> everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during
> this time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's RIBS.
>
>
>
> According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly
> created this huge complex Universe in six days!
>
>
>
> This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named
> Jesus to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach
> his wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has
> existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to
> come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself
> created!)?
<><><>
<><><>,
The Bible says he came in the fullness of time
God's ways, God's reasons for the specifics of His salvation plan are really
not for me to question
the Cross ( the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ) and
the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus, washed my sins, therefore I am made
(imputed) righteous in God's eyes John : 3: 16
That is where to begin. The others more heavier Theological questions
shouldn't really concern the new believer...just yet. unless he is looking
to find fault and not really interested in salvation of his soul.
<>><><>,.
>
>
>
> This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth
> as a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a
> virgin called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous
> way?
<>><><
Arrogant humans had to make up a myth
about a god arriving from the womb of another human.
><><><>
<><>
Arrogant humans keep insisting it is a myth, because they hate the terms of
salvation. God Jesus died for the Church.
He has used man to spread the message of His redemptive plan. God said NO to
sin: it has to go, and YES to sinful man. People that hate Christianity,do
so because they love the sin and do not want to deal with their sinful
condition. Just read the opening Chapter of John. sinful man love the
darkness they are in and refuse to come into the light of God's truth, so
they do what is convenient. They point out what appears to look like
man-made errors in the Bible.
><<><><>
Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
> Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married
> to a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all
> powerful god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to
> create? He supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!
><><><><>
<><><>
Joseph was the earthly parent of Jesus while He was growing up. God is also
pro-family. Why should Mary, the mother of Jesus, been a single mom (we're
speaking here of earthly parents)?
Mary had to be a virgin: she was concieved by the power of the Holy Spirit>
Again thenatural mind doesnot accept this and calls it nonsense.
I call it amasing ...by faith.
<<><><>
,><><><
>
>
>
> If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he
> use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth???
<><><>
,.<><><<><
All childbirth has been painful since the fall in Genesis 3. the curse of
mankind
The cross was torturous. God the father laid all the sins of mankind on the
incarnated Son,God-man. Again this goes into Christian theology.
He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
> adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After
> about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that
> he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
> commands.
<><><><>
,><><><>
The New Test deals primarily with the earthly ministry of Christ Jesus. His
childhood accounts wouldn't be relevant to a believer... really if you think
about it, as much as when He was speaking of the Kingdom to the cross.
<>><><.,
<>><><><
,.<>><><><><
Christopher A.Lee
wrote:
>n
>"Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:u2tXi.3072$di....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "rockymt" <roc...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
>> news:fglf01$7qp$1...@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...
>>>
>>> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:JymXi.50308$q7.3...@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Short for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:D5A.6...@netvigator.com...
>>
>>
>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made it
>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth
>>> the newness of life.
>>
>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid
>> objective verifiable evidence
>
>. Should we believe in a god for whom there
>> is NO solid objective evidence?
>
>
><>><><><
>><><><
>this is a question only you can ask yourself.
Are you really t5his stupid, or just pretending?
>Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man?
Where did you demonstrate this "God" before rudely and stupidly
presuming it to those you know don't share your religious beliefs?
Where did you demonstrate that this "Jesus" is anything more than your
irrelevant religious belief?
>Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his
>father?
Did Frodo wear the ring and destroy it in Orodruin, did he take the
ship to the undying shores?
> what does this all mean to me?
>it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out
Why the fuck should we "seek" what is so far merely a figment of your
imagination?
If you imagine we should take it seriously then YOU have to make it
relevant to us, using real-world, outside-your-religion evidence.
>Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten
>Son, so I may have eternal life?
Idiot.
>Go to the Word of God....
Go fuck yourself.
>in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little
What "doubts", brainwashed moron? So far there is nothing to doubt IN
THE REAL WORLD OUTSIDE YOUR RELIGION.
>everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal
Why should we do that, brainwashed moron?
>what those words say.
Can't you assholes ever say anything without rudely and stupidly
preaching?
[rest of this mindless, question-begging stupidity deleted]
skyeyes
> Short for nothing.
"Nada" is *Spanish* for "nothing," actually.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
skyeyes
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:32:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
> > Do they not even care what they sound like in the real world? No
> > embarrassment? Not even any understanding that those in whose faces they
> > vomit these fairy stories, don't believe them in the first place so
> > they're hardly going to see it as sensible?
>
> > These loonies are like flat Earthers or stork-theory gynecologists.
>
> Maybe they've got some sort of mantra thing going. They hypnotise
> themselves with the rhythm of the words. The meaning of the words would
> be entirely irrelevant.
>From what I remember of being a born-again fundie, this isn't too far
off the mark.
skyeyes
<Snip foregoing, as there's only so much silliness you can respond to
and remain sane>
> "You may ask me how I know my God is real;
> you may doubt the things I say and doubt the way I feel;
> but I know He's real today, He'll always be;
> I can feel His hand in mine,
> and that is good enough for me."
> Words : Mossy Lister
And this differes from schizophrenia...how, exactly?
skyeyes
> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
> to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
I've read the bible, rocky-me-dear. I read it through the first time
the year I turned eight. I read it through every year thereafter
until I was 22. I have read several different translations, including
the KJV and the Douay. I have read it in German, Spanish, and Demotic
(Modern) Greek.
The bible is nothing but a hodge-podge of Bronze and Iron Age
mythology. It isn't factual. It isn't historical. It qualifies as
literature, had some interesting (if lugubrious) poetry and some
pretty nice soft porn, but it doesn't qualify as "true."
> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't
> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize.
Why? Rationality is the most human of human characteristics.
Rationality makes us what we are. To deny rationality is to deny our
humanity. Urging us to deny our rationality means that you're playing
into the old, old con game of "don't think, just do as I tell you."
Well, fuck you.
If your beliefs cannot stand up to reason, don't blame reason. Blame
the silliness of your beliefs.
> Find out what is truth for yourself.
"Truth"??? Gah. Truth is whatever anybody says it is. *Everybody*
and their Aunt Millie has a version of "truth," and I've never seen
one version of it beat out the next.
I wouldn't give you a plug nickle for truth. I'm interested in
*fact*.
> Give God a chance in your life - equal time.
If you've got evidence that *any* god exists, please plonk it down
right here:
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Unless and until you can do that, you're just spouting crap.
> Don't let pride keep you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you.
Nope, no sale. First you provide objective, testable evidence that
*any* god exists. Once you've done that, then you can provide
objective, testable evidence that this god feels "love" towards
humans.
Now get crackin', rocky. You've got some serious work to do.
> He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying).
> May God Bless you.
And let him/her who has a brain, think.
Rationality is its *own* blessing. No supernatural entities needed.
skyeyes
wrote:
> Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary:
>
> "The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the
> puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient
> Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly
> transformed into a believer.
Well, not instantly, but you're close. They actually believe that the
biblical quotes will act on our brains somehow. If I remember
correctly, the phrase they use is "sowing the seed." They believe
that if we hear the bible enough, that one day we'll wake up and be
"convicted" (shades of Chunkers!) of "the truth of god's word."
> Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart
> to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe
> and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe"
Like our lil buddy rocky pointed out upthread, they want you to
suspend the working of your rational mind and allow emotion to take
over. Very insidious.
And yes, if you have to pretend to believe, well, that means you
*want* to believe but that naughty old brain of yours just won't shut
off. However, if you keep pretending to believe, eventually your
brain will erode and you *will* believe. I've heard this called "fake
it 'til you make it."
Ah, the Bard. <Smile> I'll take William over Jesus any day.
>
> > Don't
> >over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize.
>
> = Turn off your brain and become stupid and
> suggestible. Oly then can you swallow our
> nonesense whole.
>
> Yes a very revealing suggestion.
>
> > Find out what is truth for ourself.
>
> Well said! This is why I am not a Christian swallowing your nonesense
> whole just on your say so.
>
> This is course something we constantly do here on aa and which
> causes your kind the greatest anxiety. The thing you fear most
> is doubt and that you might loose your 'faith'. Precious to you
> but worthless to anybody else. Well, once again into the
> breech dear friends (more of the bard :-)
That's because they're scared shitless of dying and having to be
dead. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that their
consciousness will one day cease. The wanna Live Forever. They are,
at best, craven cowards, and at worst, mentally unbalanced.
bob young
rockymt wrote:
No - what you quote is merely mythology with nothing to back it up.
>
> what does this all mean to me?
> it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out
> Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only begotten
> Son, so I may have eternal life?
> Go to the Word of God....
there's no words from any gods ever recorded, it all comes from the human mind
>
> in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a little
> everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to reveal
> what those words say.
I would ask the higher power why two thousand kids were allowed to be swept out
to sea to drown in the tsunami two Cristmases back - and all i would hear would
be a terrible silence
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ZJtXi.8771$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:17:25 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>
> >> Love isn't an "un-provable premise", and we believe in it, and
> >> anyone who demonstrates it, as Christ did on the cross of Calvary.
> >
> > There's no proof that that event ever happened, or that Christ ever
> > existed.
> >
> Glad you evidence, that you WOULD believe if you were certain the event
> had taken place. The Holy Spirit is in the habit of convincing people like
> you.
Reminds me of Adolf Hitler:
"Tell the masses a big lie and tell that lie often enough and sooner or later
they will believe it"
> Praise the Lord!!!!!
Praising 'common sense' would be time better spent
Bill M
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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gud...@yahoo.com
> "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:fgm4ig$sm0$1...@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:EDrXi.8729$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote:
>
> >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
> >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
> >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
> >>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
> >>> earth the newness of life.
>
> >> Prove it.
>
> > <><>><><><><><><><>
> <><><><><><><><><><
> ><><><><<><>
> > Nov 5 Monday:
>
> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
> to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
Are you really so simple minded to say the above to an atheist?
Amazing.
> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't
> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for
> yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep
> you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you.
> He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying).
> May God Bless you.
> rockymt
May you gain a brain.
> <><>
> <><>
>
>
snip
les_on_usenet
>On 6 Nov., 05:18, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote:
>> "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fgm4ig$sm0$1...@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Kenneth Doyle" <nob...@notmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:EDrXi.8729$CN4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:56:21 -0500, rockymt wrote:
>>
>> >>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>> >>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>> >>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
>> >>> it possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
>> >>> earth the newness of life.
>>
>> >> Prove it.
>>
>> > <><>><><><><><><><>
>> <><><><><><><><><><
>> ><><><><<><>
>> > Nov 5 Monday:
>>
>> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below. Go
>> to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
>
>Are you really so simple minded to say the above to an atheist?
>Amazing.
We seem to have a rash of very naive posters at the moment with
very similar agendas and language making emotional appeals to
us to be stupid and just believe.
Is there some agenda here?
>
>> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't
>> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize. Find out what is truth for
>> yourself. Give God a chance in your life - equal time. Don't let pride keep
>> you from discovering the love of God, and His amazing plan for you.
>> He/she who has ears let him/her hear ( what the Spirit of truth is saying).
>> May God Bless you.
>> rockymt
>
>May you gain a brain.
disamen
bob young
Olrik wrote:
> On Nov 3, 5:34 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> > "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:HS2Xi.1763$di....@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > > Should we base this life on fiction, myths and fables? I challenge anyone
> > > to provide 'objective verifiable evidence' that their god actually exists.
> >
> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
> > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
> > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
> > John 3:3) and no, we won't send you all our money as "objective, verifiable
> > evidence", to prove our love for you. That's what you are after, aren't you?
>
> Bill is not asking for money. Xians, on the other hand, seem to have
> an insatiable need for it. Go figure...
>
> > You will just have to believe us,
>
> That would be *NO*.
>
> > that we answer your posts because we
> > love you in the Lord and that this loving action evidences our God, whose
> > essence is that very love and care we show others.
"Excuse me, but may I point something out to you?
That love and care for others can be done quite well on your own, like I do,
there's no need for any gods."
>
>
> lol
>
> Olrik
Pastor Frank
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>> "rockymt" <roc...@porchlight.ca> wrote in message
>> news:fglf01$7qp$1...@utornnr1pp.grouptelecom.net...
>>> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He is
>>>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>>>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
>>> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy Spirit,
>>> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>>> pre-eminent... but most importantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has made
>>> it
>>> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on earth
>>> the newness of life.
>>
>> The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not supported by any solid
>> objective verifiable evidence
>
>
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
They probably got into the habit coercing their girlfriends to prove their
love by some action we all can guess. LOL
Pastor Frank
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> On Nov 4, 4:36 am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Short for nothing.
>
> "Nada" is *Spanish* for "nothing," actually.
>
"without" God.
Pastor Frank
> On Nov 6, 3:46 am, les_on_usenet <delete-unr...@leswell.freeuk.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Suggested entry to Christospeak Dictionary:
>> "The Word of God" = magic like 'Abracadabra', anybody who reads the
>> puported 'word of God' (claimed to be that bundled book of ancient
>> Israelite myths and Fables known as the Bible) will be instantly
>> transformed into a believer.
>
whoever is central to your life in a positive way. If what is central is
negative, i.e. a drug addiction, or alcohol which makes you steal and lie,
then it's called a devil. It's title, not a proper name.
> Well, not instantly, but you're close. They actually believe that the
> biblical quotes will act on our brains somehow. If I remember
> correctly, the phrase they use is "sowing the seed." They believe
> that if we hear the bible enough, that one day we'll wake up and be
> "convicted" (shades of Chunkers!) of "the truth of god's word."
>
>> Of course before this magic works you have to, "Open your heart
>> to god" which is Christospeak for "you need to pretend to believe
>> and if you pretend to believe hard enough you will believe"
>
> Like our lil buddy rocky pointed out upthread, they want you to
> suspend the working of your rational mind and allow emotion to take
> over. Very insidious.
> And yes, if you have to pretend to believe, well, that means you
> *want* to believe but that naughty old brain of yours just won't shut
> off. However, if you keep pretending to believe, eventually your
> brain will erode and you *will* believe. I've heard this called "fake
> it 'til you make it."
>
You miss the point. Jesus knew, that people do what they feel like, and
that their quality of actions is a direct result of how they feel about
something. Therefore, the logical way to change people's behaviour for the
better is change how they feel about things, ..and Jesus does that very
well, and more.
Ask Him into your life and let Him handle your case. You will feel
yourself relax in trust of Him.
Pastor Frank
> On Nov 5, 9:18 pm, "rockymt" <rock...@porchlight.ca> wrote:
>>
>> listen to me dear friends. You need not scrutinize these words below.
>> Go
>> to the Word of God, and see for yourself.
>
> I've read the bible, rocky-me-dear. I read it through the first time
> the year I turned eight. I read it through every year thereafter
> until I was 22. I have read several different translations, including
> the KJV and the Douay. I have read it in German, Spanish, and Demotic
> (Modern) Greek.
> The bible is nothing but a hodge-podge of Bronze and Iron Age
> mythology. It isn't factual. It isn't historical. It qualifies as
> literature, had some interesting (if lugubrious) poetry and some
> pretty nice soft porn, but it doesn't qualify as "true."
>
>> Be slow to speak and judge; quick to listen and heed. Don't
>> over-rationalize, don't over-intellectualize.
>
> Why? Rationality is the most human of human characteristics.
> Rationality makes us what we are. To deny rationality is to deny our
> humanity. Urging us to deny our rationality means that you're playing
> into the old, old con game of "don't think, just do as I tell you."
> Well, fuck you.
> If your beliefs cannot stand up to reason, don't blame reason. Blame
> the silliness of your beliefs.
>
in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
love. LOL
rockymt
"Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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Gospel of John
24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the
disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen
the Lord!"
But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put
my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not
believe it."
26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with
them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and
said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here;
see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and
believe."
28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
rockymt
rockymt
Pastor Frank
already conceeded, that no god(s) of your definition are needed, nor exist
i.e. old man in the sky above them thar clouds, but our Christian "God is
life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and
have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
would honour those like Christ who sacrifice their lives for the wellbeing
of others. "like I do" indeed!!!!
Kenneth Doyle
Yeah, very funny. Why is this god of yours suddenly all too human when
it comes to the tricky questions?
bob young
Pastor Frank wrote:
Simple - because you keep on claiming your god is love
and those who do not follow it are immoral and cannot care for others.
I would have thought that was plainly obvious.
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> >> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Gosh, that is really convincing. It is all so clear now. Thank you
so very much.
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bob young
rockymt wrote:
Nice primitive story, which is all it is,
if one is prepared to use common sense and intelligence.
Back then they spoke aramaic. Assuming the story was written down on a piece
of goat skin at the time it would have been translated, again and again until
we reach the Latin version about1,400 years later - eventually it made it into
the English [commercial] version.
And you fools quote the English version which has no relevance at all to what
happened so long ago due to so many variables
Groan [that's not my name it's something i cannot avoid doing when religionists
make their silly claims]