The Great Scientists who built modern Civilisation - Einstein
fasgnadh
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe.
We are like a little child entering a huge library.
The walls are covered to the ceilings with books
in many different tongues.
The child knows that someone must have written these books.
It does not know who or how. It does not understand the
languages in which they are written. But the child notes a
definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but
only dimly suspects." - Albert Einstein
Einstein stated at times that he did not believe in a Personal God,
and thus, like many theists, he did not pray for favours, like a child
with a shopping list of wants and desires he expected God to fulfil.
Einstein accepted fully that man was a RATIONAL being with a capacity
to understand MEANING, if endowed with a Religious sensibility..which
is also the essential pre-requisite for theist *worship*, a sense of
awe and wonder, and of the remarkable order and structure to the Universe;
" ..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued
with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source
of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of Religion...
science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
- Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
Naturally, even agnostics, who agree that there is no *conclusive*
proof for the non-existence of God(Atheism) or the existence of
God(Theism, acknowledge this central role which Religion plays and
has always played, in the evolving human civilisation, and the
scientific inquiry which has deepened it's understanding.
The first of those imbued with this Spirit were those who contemplated
the world around us, and the Universe beyond, with the awe and
wonderment contained in the single word:
Lo! - behold.
--
"Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night
Has flung the Stone that puts the Stars to Flight:
And Lo! the Hunter of the East has caught
The Sultan's Turret in a Noose of Light."
fasgnadh
# The glory and greatness of the Almighty God are marvellously discerned
# in all His works and divinely read in the open book of heaven
#
# - Galileo Galilei 1564-1642
Galileo was actually persecuted by the Church for his radical
vision (not as severely as the atheist regimes of the 20th century
persecuted their 70,000,000 victims, and the Church, unlike the
atheists, has apologised for it's mistake) ..but he remained a
believer!
# I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
# with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use
# and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can obtain by
# them. He would not require us to deny sense and reason in physical
# matters which are set before our eyes and minds by direct
# experience or
# necessary demonstrations.
#
# - Galileo Galilei 1615.
At that time, all the atheists, and all the theists believed,
in their ignorance, that the Earth the centre of the Solar system
and the sun and stars revolved around it. It took a theist
scientist, as has usually been the case all through human history,
to lead mankind out of ignorance and into a new and deeper understanding
of reality
Galileao, like all of the Great Scientists, Mathematicians,
Atrists, Thinkers and Composers who have built our civilisation,
was imbued with that Religious perspective which Einstein said
was essential to Science, the Theist perspective that the Universe
has meaning, that the meaning can be discovered and revealed by
the human mind and it's rational endowment.
This same Spirit of Rational Inquiry, a belief that the Universe
CAN be unravelled, has been central not only to Christian civilisation,
but also that of Islam, and it is found in the Hindu development of
astronomy and the Zero, and expressed in Herman Hesse's poem on
change, transformation and evolution to new and higher states;
As every flower fades and as all youth
departs, so life at every stage,
so every virtue, so our grasp of truth,
blooms in its day and may not last forever.
Since life may summon us at any age
be ready heart, for parting, new endeavour,
be ready bravely and without remorse
to find new light that old ties cannot give.
In all beginnings dwells a magic force
for guiding us and helping us to live.
Serenely let us move to distant places
and let no sentiments of home detain us
The cosmic spirit seeks not to restrain us
but lifts us stage by stage to wider spaces.
If we accept a home of our own making
familiar habits makes for indolence
we must prepare for parting and leave-taking
or else remain the slaves of permanence.
Even the hour of our death may send
us speeding on to fresh and newer spaces
and life may summon us to newer races
so be it, heart, bid farewell without end.
Herman Hesse
--
~ The Sun Never Says ~
Even
after
all this time
the sun never says to the earth,
"You owe me."
Look
what happens
With a love like that-
it lights the whole
world.
Ha-fez (1310 -1337)
bigfl...@gmail.com
I agree with all the sentiments expressed here.
The only problem is the concept of god, from whatever cultural
background, is a variation of an anthomorphisation, which is patently
absurd.
Very useful to create a man made need for hierarchical
positioning,which is a variation on the universal pecking order. Dogs
do it instinctively, we, intellectually.
Miracles are often referred to as some sort of validation regarding
the founders of the various religions. To leave out the obvious
'chinese whisper' componant, it is amazing what a group of people can
do, when they all focus on the one issue. Not news to metaphysicians.
It is time for many, to let go of such past convoluted images, and
starts to investigate their spiritual dimensions (which has always
been a 'no no' from the hierachy...devils work and other such
controlling beliefs.
BOfL
fasgnadh
> I agree with all the sentiments expressed here.
Of course, they are the foundations of the rational civilisation theists
like Galileo built.
They contrast with atheism, which has only produced totalitarian
states.
Lets examine this atheists post and see if we can find clues as to WHY;
> The only problem is the concept of god,
Not for Galileo, hje seems to have a more functional version of it than you.
Lets see what's wrong with yours:
> from whatever cultural background,
A bit sweeping.. where's you evidence?
> is a variation of an anthomorphisation,
that's a mere assertion to.. no evidence whatsoever! 8^o
> which is patently absurd.
I'm glad you can acknowledge your failings.
You seem to be the EXACT opposite of a rational thinking theist
like Galieo.
I'M afraid his accomplishments lead one to believe HIS view of reality
is far superior (and useful, and FRUITFUL) that yours.
Now you go on to confuse Galileo's clearly functional faith
with the Church.. which we have already dismissed as WRONG.
> Very useful to create a man made need for hierarchical
> positioning,which is a variation on the universal pecking order. Dogs
> do it instinctively, we, intellectually.
No one is interested in the limitations of the ORGANISATION, which is
after all human, when we have the success represented by Galileo's
rational theism.. which became more influential over time.
Now EVERY schoolchild in religious schools studies Galileo, and
the Chuirch itself has admitted it's error.. you are flogging a DEAD
HORSE!
What is shocking in contrast to the Church's apology to Glalileo,
is how atheists refuse to apologise for 70,000,000 victims
of atheist states!
The church accepts it's responsibility and repents,
Atheists are in denial.
The rest seems to be irrelevant ramblings of no interest;
> Miracles are often referred to as some sort of validation regarding
> the founders of the various religions. To leave out the obvious
> 'chinese whisper' componant, it is amazing what a group of people can
> do, when they all focus on the one issue. Not news to metaphysicians.
>
> It is time for many, to let go of such past convoluted images, and
> starts to investigate their spiritual dimensions (which has always
> been a 'no no' from the hierachy...devils work and other such
> controlling beliefs.
>
> BOfL
Thank you for the contrast with the rational Theist, Galileo.
you have demonstrated your familiarity with the opposite, based on
your irrational stereotype.
I prefer Galileos rational theism to your irrational athesim.
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Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Among other things, Fas wrote "Galileao" in the subject line.
> Of course, they are the foundations of the rational civilisation theists
> like Galileo built.
To the extent that Galileo Galilei built anything he was non-Catholic
and to the extent he was a Catholic he built nothing.
>
> They contrast with atheism
Which does not stand in the way of scientific discovery the way
Catholicism too often did, and does. There is no dogma to atheism the
way there is to Catholicism.
>
>
> > The only problem is the concept of god,
>
> Not for Galileo
But there are at least as many mutually incompatible concepts of god as
there are theisms, and possibly as many as there are theists.
>
> Lets see what's wrong with yours:
>
I am agnostic and have no concept god at all, having rejected all those
proposed to me.
>
> > from whatever cultural background,
At least as much evidence for that as for any of the mutually
incompatible flavors of theist belief.
> > is a variation of an anthomorphisation,
>
> that's a mere assertion to.. no evidence whatsoever!
At least as much evidence for that as for any of the mutually
incompatible flavors of theist belief.
> > Very useful to create a man made need for hierarchical
> > positioning,which is a variation on the universal pecking order. Dogs
> > do it instinctively, we, intellectually.
>
>
>
> No one is interested in the limitations of the ORGANISATION
But the organization in Galilei's time was alleged by itself to be
infallible. So the limitations (fallibility) of that organization become
of great interest in determining the validity of its raison d'etre.
>
> Now EVERY schoolchild in religious schools studies Galileo, and
> the Chuirch itself has admitted it's error.. you are flogging a DEAD
> HORSE!
That church is certainly dead, but why do you call it a horse?
>
> What is shocking in contrast to the Church's apology to Glalileo,
> is how atheists refuse to apologise for 70,000,000 victims
> of atheist states!
Unless all present theists of whatever flavor apologize for all the
crimes of all theists of even different flavors in the past, there is no
reason why any non-communist atheist today need apologize for the
actions of any communist atheist.
>
> The church accepts it's responsibility and repents,
It does not seem to repent over the more current sins of its pederast
priests
>
> Atheists are in denial.
They certainly deny any responsibility for actions of others over which
they had no control.
>
> I prefer Galileos rational theism to your irrational athesim.
And we prefer Galileo's science to your superstition.
Don H
# So, what have we here? Is "fasgnadh" giving us a vague statement of what
he believes instead of his usual fulminations against the evil Atheists?
Nice try, but full of assumptions and unproven assertions.
"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe." True enough;
the human brain evolved as a food-gathering, and reproductive, tool - not to
solve the Mystery of the Cosmos.
"Einstein stated at times that he did not believe in a Personal God, and
thus, like many theists..." - that would technically make him a Deist.
Man may be a rational being, but as astronomer Fred Hoyle put it - a
human is like a computer with the instincts of a rat. This unfortunate
coupling may yet prove our downfall.
We can feel a sense of awe and wonder at the cosmos without religion
being involved in any way.
Religion has no copyright or patent on that.
Did Great Scientists build modern civilisation? Not necessarily. The
primitive tribe had the witchdoctor, the shaman who supposedly had esoteric
knowledge not granted to the ordinary native, and the priest, and scientist,
follow in such tradition. Cities originated when agriculture was
discovered, and nomadic hunting tribes settled down to a stationary
existence. The priests had little to do with this, unless they discovered
plants and crops.
Civilisation means "living in cities", and if this gave some folk
leisure time to study, it was usually confined to a wealthy elite, while
most toiled in field or shop or artisan works.
Civilisations gave rise to armies and conquest, and kingdoms - and could
be as barbaric as any nomadic tribe.
The world of Science produced Technology, as useful for evil as for
good - and mass extinction of human and non-human lives.
So, "fasgnadh" your arguments don't prove the existence of deity, nor
relevance of religion in the modern world. Only evidence can prove God.
The world of Nature may act like some vast machine, grinding on
remorselessly - but there is no sign of a mechanic. Any dynamic universe
(as compared with static) must operate by some set of "laws", but these, to
science, are descriptive, not prescriptive, and mindless, not teleological.
God is as likely to be crustacean as human, and not necessarily
benevolent.
fasgnadh
See, that's why agnostics reject atheism! You are rude, ignorant,
dogmatic and full of hatred and venom.. no wonder the insightful
books of the worlds great religions describe you as Vipers.
Even the other non believers, over 95% of them, REJECT ATHEISM;
# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
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# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
Athiests are 4% of the NON-Believers!! B^D
Than means 96 out of every 100 non-believers EXPLICITLY reject atheism,
and yet you dogmatic and arrogant thugs try to speak for all of us?
FOAD!
Here's another reason why atheists are the most DISTRUSTED minority in
the USA.. you are abusive BEFORE you even hear another's argument.
> cowards stuck on the fence
I wait till your own post reveals what an irrational fool you are,
and then accurately label you as one.. (of course atheists then
scream and bleat that *I* am 'hateful..' because they PROJECT their own
behaviour onto others all the time! but they are insignificant! ;-)
It is not cowardice to admit the truth; it is cowardice to
SNIP IT, as you did, because you atheists cannot DEAL with the Truth;
Agnosticism is the DEFAULT rational position becasue there is no
*conclusive* roof for the non-existence of God(Atheism) or the existence
of God(Theism). There can be a logical proof of theism, there cannot
be a logical proof of atheism.. so logically an agnostic would keep
an open mind toward theism.
There is also plenty of historical evidence, mixed for theism,
totally negative for atheism.
Atheists lose in any rational assessment of the position, even at the
first cut.
There is also a whole corpus of evidence of the efficacy of spiritual
teachings.. even atheists prefer to live in majority RELIGIOUS
societies, which have evolved democratic, even SECULAR governments,
rather than atheist states which have ALL ( 100%!!! ) been shitholes!
You can't argue with the historical facts... atheism SUCKS!
And finally, I don't need conclusive proof that my wife loves me,
there is sufficient evidence to sustain a rational >>belief<<.
So it is with God.
Atheism and agnosticism are based on PROOF, Atheism doesn't
have any, and agnostics don't need any!
Theism is based upon beliefs.. all too Mystic for you atheists..
you best keep your mouths shut and stay out of it! B^]
> of evasion with their feet dangling into the mystic's camp
See there's why you are such a tiny, fringe nutter group...
you all fantasise like crazy.. Budikka is a Sci Fi nut,
Gray plays wargames, Fluffy calls himself a Warlord FFS!! B^D
Trance craps on about Selling the Vatican.. you are all mad
as cut snakes.... B^]
But then you bag really interesting mystics who have profound
things to say! pffft!
You are boring, dogmatic, doctrinaire, adolescents, clearly
lacking in wit, originality or talent who band together
to feel superior, stroke each others weak ego's and ritually
spit on theists!
It's a HOOT to watch, and a cinch to de-construct, mock
and deride to OBLIVION.... and that's why I have taken out
your entire 'intellignesia'.. because you are witless dimwits.
B^]
And it's time to let you in on another secret....
I'm not talking TO you, I'm using you all as teaching aids.
That's why i love being in your cult's KILLFILES..
This is how people with Killfiles look to everyone else:
http://www.tomandang.com/blog/images/headUpArse.jpg
Think about it as the paranoia festers! B^D
> ready to
> leap right on in, the agnostic is the mystic in waiting.
See, the way you knuckle-dragging trogs dismiss the mystic
sages, when you are all functionally illiterate is a RIOT! B^D
You parade your ignorance with pride! B^]
Rumi wrote about you SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS AGO;
1504
Do not sit long with a sad friend
When you go to a garden
do you look at thorns or flowers?
Spend more time with roses and jasmine.
Atheists are in pain.. their posts are endless whining...
one long string of abuse...
it reflects upon you, not those you direct it towards;
When a simpleton abused him, Buddha listened to him in silence,
but when the man had finished asked him,
"Son, if a man declined to accept a present offered to him,
to whom would it belong?"
The man answered "To him who offered it."
"My son," Buddha said, "I decline to accept your abuse. Keep it for
yourself."
- Will Durant The Story of Civilization.
>> The first of those imbued with this Spirit were those who
>> contemplated the world around us,
>> and the Universe beyond, with the awe and
>> wonderment contained in the single word:
>>
>>
>> Lo! - behold.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Awake! for Morning in the Bowl of Night
>> Has flung the Stone that puts the Stars to Flight:
>> And Lo! the Hunter of the East has caught
>> The Sultan's Turret in a Noose of Light."
Is it mysticism, or simply poetry describing dawn light,
.. or for the truly Blessed.. Both. 8^)
panam...@hotmail.com
fasgnadh
Oh Good Lord.. is there no end to the atheist obsession with me!???
I AM NOT THE STORY..
I know all you atheists NEED a God Figure..
you had Lenin, he fucked up
you had Stalin, he fucked up
you had Mao, he fucked up
you had Pol Pot, he fucked up
you had Kim Ill Fuk, he fukked up
now you only have Kim Sik Fuk, Dawkins, Warlord Fluffy
and Trance Stupor....
can you see a pattern here?
Are you ready, yet, to abandon the CULT OF THE PERSONALITY!? B^D
Perhaps if you had a Real God, you wouldn't need all those crackpots? B^p
Your endless attempts to put me in a Box, so you can apply
one of the Standard Borg Scripts, simply isn't working..
It's been ten months and I have eviscerated your leading Chumpions..
you have no one left but Virgil, Syd, Warlord Fluffy and Princess Pussy...
you are fucked!
To rub salt in your wounds...
I have repeatedly, openly honestly told you what I believe,
what I know, and what I admit is not conclusively provable..
I have quoted you the Qur'an, the Gita, Herman Hesse, Taj Mahal,
Maimonides, Rumi, Siddhartha, Einstein.. you don't seem to get
any of it...
> Nice try, but full of assumptions and unproven assertions.
> "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe." True enough;
> the human brain evolved as a food-gathering, and reproductive, tool - not to
> solve the Mystery of the Cosmos.
> "Einstein stated at times that he did not believe in a Personal God, and
> thus, like many theists..." - that would technically make him a Deist.
> Man may be a rational being, but as astronomer Fred Hoyle put it - a
> human is like a computer with the instincts of a rat. This unfortunate
> coupling may yet prove our downfall.
For atheists who see thmeselves as computers with rat instincts,, you
have already, repeatedly demonstrated that you are doomed.
The USSR, Maoist China, etc... all totalitarian shitholes which killed
tens of millions.. but since abandoning the atheist worldview, both have
advanced and prospered.
You should think through the implications of that. B^]
> We can feel a sense of awe and wonder at the cosmos without religion
> being involved in any way.
> Religion has no copyright or patent on that.
Yes it does.
The atheist regimes are the proof... they COMPLETELEY LACKED IT! 8^o
Unrelentingly dreary and soul destroying.. it was the Spiritual
cancer which destroyed them.
Is there much more of your potted sociology to sit through
before you make a point.. it's like Bukakke endlessly
repeating her evolutionary lectures as if it belonged
to atheism.. It's taught in every mainstream Religious school
in Australia!
> Did Great Scientists build modern civilisation? Not necessarily. The
> primitive tribe had the witchdoctor, the shaman who supposedly had esoteric
> knowledge not granted to the ordinary native, and the priest, and scientist,
> follow in such tradition. Cities originated when agriculture was
> discovered, and nomadic hunting tribes settled down to a stationary
> existence. The priests had little to do with this, unless they discovered
> plants and crops.
Why do you keep confusing religion with Theism.
You seem able to understand that human societies take ideas like
Monarchy and do quite different things with them, from
Bloody Mary to Good Queen Bess. But you don't seem able to understand
that some human societies implemented spiritual teachings and others
paid them lip service.
In other words you have a simplistic view of the history of religion.
Basically, humans chose it, not atheism, becasue it was more useful.
You only have to compare the BEST of majority religious societies,
Australia, Indonesia, The USA, Europe, to the Best Atheist societies,
the USSR, Maoist China, Pol Pots Genocide.. to see the point.
All the rest is just whining by those who did nothing about those
who did at least a half-arsed job.
You will always come off worst!
> Civilisation means "living in cities", and if this gave some folk
> leisure time to study, it was usually confined to a wealthy elite, while
> most toiled in field or shop or artisan works.
> Civilisations gave rise to armies and conquest, and kingdoms - and could
> be as barbaric as any nomadic tribe.
> The world of Science produced Technology, as useful for evil as for
> good - and mass extinction of human and non-human lives.
> So, "fasgnadh" your arguments don't prove the existence of deity,
So you really have no point to make
Nowhere did I claim it did.
You are incapable of rational discussion.. you are just a Bot.
The great scientists who built our civilisation were predominately theist.
The progressive, free democratic societies YOU atheists choose to live
in are universally Majority Religious.. no atheist societies are worth
living in, as your choices prove.
That is my argument. You atheists keep wanting me to Prove God, defend
Creationsism.. solve your personal problems, wipe your geriatric arses..
but I'm not interested..
Arse wiping is Steve Knights job, and arse kissing is Virgil's.
I'm simply demonstrating the unsuitability of atheism for any sane
or rational human individual or society... it seems to be an easy task!
B^]
fasgnadh
So atheists reject Galileo and Hesse as nonsense.
Interesting.
I guess you all prefer Mao and Pol Pot;
The Cultural Devolution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia�s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot�s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I agree with all the sentiments expressed here.
>>
>> Of course, they are the foundations of the rational civilisation theists
>> like Galileo built.
>>
>> They contrast with atheism, which has only produced totalitarian
>> states.
>>
>> Lets examine this atheists post and see if we can find clues as to WHY;
>>
>>
>>> The only problem is the concept of god,
>>
>> Not for Galileo, he seems to have a more functional version of it than
>> I prefer Galileo's rational theism to your irrational athesim.
IAAH
You might not look as much an enormous prat if you
could demonstrate that you had the first idea of
what being an agnostic meant, you know.
Here is your first hint: It doesn't mean "Oh, I'm
just not sure, so I'll waffle about it."
Davej
aus.science, alt.religion.christian, aus.politics, alt.philosophy,
alt.religion.Islam
> [...]
> See, that's why agnostics reject atheism!
Agnostics just don't want to argue with crackpots like you. It's
pointless. Atheism is just the day-to-day practical reality for
agnostics. Hey there might be a gawd hiding in the galactic core or in
another galaxy -- but if one showed up tomorrow how could we even know
what it was anyway? Too bad there are none in evidence to even
consider.
Most people (like 96%) like a nice fuzzy layer of foolishness to
insulate them from the cold hard reality that one day they (and their
children) are going to end up stone cold dead.
Don H
# If "fasgnadh" in his wildest dreams imagines HE would ever be any
Atheist's God Figure, he is completely deluded.
Most of us, presumably, continue to attack "fasgnadh"'s myths because
the Great Man continues to promulgate them. Not that our efforts are ever
likely to penetrate his thick skull, but it gives us amusement to try.
As for the demise of Communism, the news of its death (as Mark Twain
said of his own) may be rather exaggerated; as Cuba hangs on, as does North
Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and (nominally) China.
Socialism (where not seen as synonymous with Communism) is alive and
well in South America, where even Cuba is no longer an outcast (USA
protesting).
The Fall of the Berlin Wall was accompanied by much crowing by the
Plutocratic West, as, by implication, ushering in Utopian Capitalism.
Unfortunately, 19th century capitalism has the same faults it always
had, as the Financial Meltdown world-wide indicates.
The Soviet Union may have voluntarily disintegrated too soon, and maybe
should have modified its Command Economy, instead of letting gangsters
privatise it all.
As to resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church, and other reactionary
tendencies re the Eternal Life Insurance industry - this delusion will
slowly be vaporised, as the hard facts of a secular, sceptical, and
scientific, Age, dawn.
The main concern of Homo Sap nowadays is to restrain itself from its War
on Nature, or die out.
As for "fasgnadh" and the non-existent God of his beloved Theists - get
real! Man is a Social Animal, and we don't need Big Daddy to tell us how to
inter-react gregariously; not if we're mature adults, that is.
Don H
# If an atheist is "someone who does not believe in any god", then ALL
non-believers are atheists, like it or not. And if religious fanatics come
hunting for heretics they are not likely to discriminate; and all
non-theists will burn at the stake, as it is better that the transient flesh
should suffer so the spirit can be purified. (That's the theory; in reality,
we take a sadistic pleasure in your agony - like the Taliban or Saudis, in
flogging women.)
"Spirituality" is the phlogiston theory of religion.
Michael Gordge
> See, that's why agnostics reject atheism! You are rude, ignorant,
> dogmatic and full of hatred and venom.. no wonder the insightful
> books of the worlds great religions describe you as Vipers.
Hey dopey, if the mystical nonsense you call god one day appeared on
earth (as you claim it will) and says, "hi everyone, I am anglican and
its ok for you methodists to drink alcohol and its ok for you muslim
woman to show your face in public and its ok for the catholics to
drink the wine in church" what do you believe would happen?
How pissed off would the catholics be finding out that god was in fact
muslim?
MG
Michael Gordge
>
> # If an atheist is "someone who does not believe in any god",......
For that to make any sense to an atheist you would have to explain
what you mean by god.
MG
cornholio
> "The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe.
> We are like a little child entering a huge library.
> The walls are covered to the ceilings with books
> in many different tongues.
> The child knows that someone must have written these books.
> It does not know who or how. It does not understand the
> languages in which they are written. But the child notes a
> definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a
> mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but
> only dimly suspects." - Albert Einstein
>
> Einstein stated at times that he did not believe in a Personal God,
> and thus, like many theists, he did not pray for favours, like a child
> with a shopping list of wants and desires he expected God to fulfil.
>
> Einstein accepted fully that man was a RATIONAL being with a capacity
> to understand MEANING, if endowed with a Religious sensibility..which
> is also the essential pre-requisite for theist *worship*, a sense of
> awe and wonder, and of the remarkable order and structure to the Universe;
>
> " ..science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued
> with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source
> of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of Religion...
> science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
>
> - Albert Einstein "Ideas and Opinions" 1954
>
He was Jewish Fags, not a filthy arselifting mood god worshipper.
fasgnadh
That's the sixth time you have posted that clip,
Are you sexually abusing that puppy?
fasgnadh
Indeed, we prefer to just mock you and ridicule you! B^D
You can't handle the fact that we agnostics outnumber you
and that you are not only the most insignificant, tiny
minority of the non-believer category, but you are despised
by both theists and the non believers as the most DISTRUSTED
minority in the USA;
@ Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
@ - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
@
You see, EVERYONE thinks atheists SUCK! B^D
@ "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
@ found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�
@
@ "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
@ university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
@ below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
@ other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
@ American society.�
@
@ Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
@ least willing to allow their children to marry.
@
No parent wants his daughter to be associated with filthy
perverts like the Atheist cults "Warlord" Porn Queen
Steve "rubber Cock" Knight aka "Fluffy" B^p
Agnostics were having a polite rational discourse with
some theists, talking about love, and diseased atheists
respond with their bestial psychosis;
# Subject: Re: Where's the Love in the Quran? EVERYWHERE,
# and in atheism- NOWHERE ..They DON'T GET IT!!!
# Read and see for yourself!
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam,
# alt.religion.christianity,alt.religion
# Message-ID: <6tqhe51h59m7badtj...@4ax.com>
# Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:11:14 -0700
#
# >>> # "And argue not with the People of the Scripture
# >>> # unless it be in ( a way) that is better,
# >>> # save with such of them as do wrong;
# >>> # and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us
# >>> # and revealed unto you;
# >>> # our God and your God is One,
# >>> # and unto Him we surrender."
# >>> #
# >>> # - The Qur'an Sura 29 verse 46
# >>>
# >>> That was revolutionary, it took the parable of the Good Samaritan,
# >>> where the religious Other who acts with Love is held up as more
# >>> righteous in the eyes of God as those orthodox of one's own faith
who fail to show love or do good.
# >>>
# >>> Outstanding! That is the Message of the Age.
# >>
# >> Maybe - but it is about surrender, not love.
# >
# > Exactly as my beloved does.. bending herself toward me..
# > and offering herself totally... as I also do to her beauty and
# > charms....
#
# Then you grab her tail and make her say 'Baaaaaaa'.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
In a discussion of MUTUAL LOVE and willing surrencer,
the atheist thug reveals his misogyny and bestial force.
It's a common occurrence among the atheist perverts;
People talking about Cosmology were shocked to find Steve
touting his pornographic bent:
#From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: The Big Bang Theory
# Message-ID: <j9p7e550bbdcc9oij...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:46:34 -0700
#
# "Firnando" wrote:
#
# >The Big Bang Theory
#
# You wanna see the big bang?
#
# NSFW!
#
# http://www.ovguide.com/adult.html
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
If you Google the word "Mother" for Steve Knight, this is what you find,
Steve has to say about her;
# took his rubber cock out of his mouth, shoved it
# up his mother's ass and ...
#
# - From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
# alt.agnosticism
# Subject: Re: Better place to debate theists?
# Message-ID: <8pj4e5pk7oi5ohvjp...@4ax.com>
# Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:06:52 -0700
His sick fantasies include violent murder and desecration
of the bodies of his enemies, men, women and children:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
This Atheist LEADER, who they all pay homage to, even sick females
like Trance Stupor who share his perversions, uses imagery full
of the violent misogyny he expresses in the posts above:
# From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: Re: a.a.(atheist.angst.)
# OT(Ordinary and Tiresome) - not-a-Joke
# Message-ID: <i2cld5hbru4nugsib...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:37:21 -0700
#
# Your Dad wanted to watch me fuck your Mom in the
# ass and offered me a kilo of crack to do it.
# I told him she was so fucking fat and oily and smelled
# like two day old urine that I'd need at least five kilos
# and a gallon of Jack.
#
# The only thing keeping me interested is putting a bag
# over your sister's head and fucking her mouth.
# I love that cooing sound when she swallows my sperm.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
As he admits, (rather unecessarily ;-) atheists have serious mental
issues and they come to Usenet to share their personal problems:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We're here to talk about our own personal issues as atheists
Jung was right:
"Among all my patients in the second half of life, that is, over
thirty-five, there has not been one whose problem in the last
resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life.
It is safe to say that every one of them fell ill because
he had lost that which the living religions of every age
have given their followers, and none of them has really
been healed who did not regain his religious outlook."
-Carl G. Jung Modern Man in Search of a Soul
They cannot RECOGNISE Love, because they think it means
perverted SEX!!!!!!
Talking to an atheist about Love is like speaking to the BLIND
about the colours of a sunset.
The snip it all and make ANIMAL noises.. they are captives
of their Lower Self.
@ Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
@ organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
@ they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
@ by a large portion of the American public.
@
@ Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with
@ an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
@ behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
@
@ Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
@ social disorder is behind the findings.
@ �Americans believe they share more than rules and
@ procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
@ understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our
@ findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
@ self-interested individuals who are not concerned
@ with the common good.�
@
@ The study is co-authored by assistant professor
@ Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann.
@ It�s the first in a series of national studies conducted
@ the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded
@ by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation
@ that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in
@ the contemporary United States."
> like you.
Most people do, I'm honest as the day is long, a genuine
polymath, witty and entertaining...
Watching Atheists try to keep up is hilarious...
> It's pointless.
That's really all that needs saying about atheism!
> Atheism is just
Who cares.. as the ARIS data shows, you don't matter to anyone,
and most non-believers SPECIFICALLY dissociate from atheism,
largely because you crackpots are always trying to speak for everyone,
claiming babies and buddhist and agnostics are all atheists, when
they (except for the poor babies ;-) all say
GO FUCK YERSELVES, WE ARE NOT ATHEISTS!!!!;
>> Even the other non believers, over 95% of them, REJECT ATHEISM;
>>
Suck it up, you despised, distrusted.. FRINGE NUTTERS! B^D
FRANKIE LEE
***you present your case well.
"To what extent are you influenced by Christianity?"
"As a child, I received instruction both in the Bible and in the
Talmud. I am a Jew, but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the
Nazarene."
"Have you read Emil Ludwig's book on Jesus?
"Emil Ludwig's Jesus," replied Einstein, "is shallow. Jesus is too
colossal for the pen of phrasemongers, however artful. No man can
dispose of Christianity with a bon mot."
"You accept the historical existence of Jesus?"
"Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the
actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No
myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the
impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of
antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the
authentic vitality of Jesus."
"Ludwig Lewisohn, in one of his recent books, claims that many of the
sayings of Jesus paraphrase the sayings of other prophets."
"No man," Einstein replied, "can deny the fact that Jesus existed, nor
that his sayings are beautiful. Even if some them have been said
before, no one has expressed them so divinely as he."
fasgnadh
And every time the Vipers slither and hiss... they PROVE MY POINT:
> # If an atheist is "someone who does not believe in any god",
Who cares how you define yourselves..
I'm an agnostic, I don't believe Atheists can rationally Prove
that God does not exist, and Theists cannot PROVE that God does exist..
so the only rational position is to
admit that no one knows, and leave people to Freedom of Belief,
as guaranteed among all the Freedoms and Rights in the UN Charter,
every one of which was REMOVED by EVERY atheist regime in history!!!
The problem with atheists is that like OTHER FUNDIES, they try and
DICTATE WHAT OTHERS, in their view, MUST BELIEVE!
And As ARIS shows, 96% of non-believers tell atheists EXPLICITLY AND
CLEARLY, to bugger off, and STOP pretending they speak for us! B^D
Yet despite being the most despised and distrusted MINORITY,
even among NON-Believers, the arrogant, dogmatic atheist thugs still
think they can DICTATE and DEFINE what other people are...
and that is why they are distrusted and despised!!! B^]
> then ALL non-believers are atheists, like it or not.
CVlearly atheists are living in LaLa Land, ignoring the facts:
> And if religious fanatics come hunting for heretics
because the Militant Atheists provoke them, despite
hypocritically enjoying the protection of majority
religious societies, then we will simply point to the
Militant atheists and say.. there they are, we agnostics
rejected them and condemned their violence, brutality and
perversions, because we are moral and decent folk:
# From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
We rational agnostics, and other non-believers have distinguished
ourselves from such Militant Atheist thuggery and Dogmatism, and
condemned atheist Hate Speech and perversions:
Kill Jesus
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
Jesus light switch
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
Atheists are on their own. Any who supported Steve Knight and Trance
Stupor are likely to find themselves on the hot end of a lead enema!
We have seen how those Christians deal with heretics! B ^D
>they are not likely to discriminate;
No, all those of you who stood by, defended the atheist tyrannies, and
defended this sort of perverted sickness will be treated just like the
ringleaders... but we rational agnostics already have close working
relationships with theists becasue we share their interest in Love,
as recent threads show, and in making it real through ACTION to help
the world, while atheism does NOTHING but Carp, insult and brutalise...
> and all
> non-theists will burn at the stake,
Rubbish, you fuckwits are so OUT OF DATE.. the Christians and Muslims
are now working together, they have no problem with those of us who
respect and work with their traditions! B^]
You don't seem to have noticed my posts on the parliament of World
Religions.. they represent MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLANET, every
business and government will treat them with accord.. wheras you
ranting lunatics are mocked by all and sundry! B^D
> in reality, we take a sadistic pleasure in your agony
That was certainly the case in the USSR, Maoist China, Pol Pots
Genocide... I'm just surprised to hear you atheists admitting it
openly.
> - like the Taliban or Saudis,
You sure are, you leader is a Porn Queen, who reveals his violent
psycho-sexual sadism and hatred of women frequently:
In a discussion of MUTUAL LOVE and willing surrender,
the atheist thug reveals his misogyny and bestial force.
It's a common occurrence among the atheist perverts;
People talking about Cosmology were shocked to find Steve
touting his pornographic bent:
#From: Steve Knight <skni...@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: The Big Bang Theory
# Message-ID: <j9p7e550bbdcc9oij...@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:46:34 -0700
#
# "Firnando" wrote:
#
# >The Big Bang Theory
#
# You wanna see the big bang?
#
# NSFW!
#
# http://www.ovguide.com/adult.html
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
If you Google the word "Mother" for Steve Knight, this is what you find
Steve has to say about his idea of family relations;
Jung was right:
>>
fasgnadh
Great quote, do you have a source for it?
Saracene
fasgnadh
As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
dissociate from atheism, largely because you crackpots
are always trying to speak for everyone, claiming babies
and buddhists and agnostics are all atheists, when
>>> Agnostics just don't want to argue with crackpots
>>
>> Indeed, we prefer to just mock you and ridicule you! B^D
>>
>> You can't handle the fact that we agnostics outnumber you
>> and that you are not only the most insignificant, tiny
>> minority of the non-believer category, but you are despised
>> by both theists and the non believers as the most DISTRUSTED
>> minority in the USA;
>
> The vast majority of either are both.
B^D You irrational moron, you keep contradicting yourself:
# From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:59:25 -0600
# Message-ID: <Virgil-6F220A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# There is no middle ground between atheism and theism.
# unless you actually believe in some god(s), you ARE atheist.
#
# If you deny being atheist, then you are automatically among
# the host of idiot theists.
# From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:59:25 -0600
# Message-ID: <Virgil-6F220A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
#
# I am agnostic and only an atheist sympathizer.
# From: Virgil <Vir...@home.esc>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.agnosticism
# Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:59:25 -0600
# Message-ID: <Virgil-6F220A....@bignews.usenetmonster.com>
#
# The reality is that when you have deny being atheist,
# you are then theist by default.
B^D
>>
>> @ Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
>> @ - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
>> @
>>
>> You see, EVERYONE thinks atheists SUCK! B^D
>
> No parent wants his daughter to be associated with filthy
> perverts
Such as Virgil the racist Bigot, and Porn Queen Steve, the Militant
Atheist Whorelord;
In a discussion of MUTUAL LOVE and willing surrender,
IAAH
Atheist means exactly non-religious, you twat. The
only reason that it's a different category there
is religious dishonesty.
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
Bertrand Russell
fasgnadh
>> #
>> # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
>>
>> Athiests are 4% of the NON-Believers!! B^D
>>
>
No it doesn't, you arrogant atheist moron, it means non belief in GOD or
gods.
We have even seen the absurd hypocrisy of official atheist bodies
CLAIMING THEY ARE A RELIGION! B^D
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination
#
# "atheism counts as a religion " Dr Perkins said."
# - The Age 29/1/2009
You fools are IRRATIONAL NUTJOBS! No wonder the data shows that
most rational non-believers want NOTHING TO DO WITH DOGMATIC
MILITANT ATHEISM!
We have seen numerous atheists in alt.atheism claim that they are
Buddhists, that all Buddhists are atheists because they don't believe in
god, but Buddhism is a religion.
You never protested when I was mocking their view and quoting the
Buddhist notions of Re-incatnation, and Buddhist texts describing
supernatural events and entities! B^D
One of the reasons atheists are REJECTED, even by the majority of NON-
believers is this arrogant assumption that atheists can speak for ALL
non-believers.. the ARIS datas proves THEY DONT!!
We agnostics, a larger group among the non-believers, and growing faster
than athrists, are just ONE of the 96% of non-believers who EXPLICITLY
REJECT atheism.. largely because you are as irrational, doctrinaire and
dogmatic as the fundies.
> The only reason that it's
> a different category there is religious dishonesty.
That is clearly a LIE, something we are all familiar with from atheists
since the days of Pravda Propaganda.. it hasn't changed!
The ARIS survey is the most comprehensive, widely accepted, scientific
polling in beliefs in the USA. ATHEISTS QUOTED NEWSPAPER REPORTS OF
IT.. falsely claiming it showed ATHEISM at 15% till I went to the
PRIMARY SOURCE, the Aris Report which showed atheists were a pitiful
0.7% of Americans and the "NONES" category included non-religious and
non-theists, secualr humanists, agnostics, Jedi, Wiccans, Pyramid Power
New Age Crystal Healers, Vampires, and come strange cult centred on a
spagetti monster! B^D
http://livinginliminality.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/aris_report_2008.pdf
In the ARIS survey, detailed enough to give non-believers the CHOICE, in
an anonymous poll, where no pressure could be applied, including the
thuggery of militant atheists.. NINETY SIX percent of non believers/
non-religious EXPLICITLY rejected atheist dogmatism!
Suck it up.. LOSERS! B^]
No wonder atheists are the MOST DISTRUSTED minority in the USA (Muslims
are more trusted that atheists because the public understands that most
of THEM are decent folk! B^)
# Atheists Identified as America�s Most Distrusted Minority"
# - American Sociological Association, ASA NEWS
#
# "A survey by sociologists at the University of Minnesota
# found that atheists are �America�s most distrusted minority.�
#
# "From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in �sharing their vision of
# American society.�
#
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are
# least willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally
# organized and relatively hard to publicly identify,
# they are seen as a threat to the American way of life
# by a large portion of the American public.
#
# Many of the study�s respondents associated atheism with
# an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal
# behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting
# social disorder is behind the findings.
# �Americans believe they share more than rules and
# procedures with their fellow citizens�they share an
# understanding of right and wrong,� she said. �Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as
# self-interested individuals who are not concerned
# with the common good.�
#
# The study is co-authored by assistant professor
# Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann.
# It�s the first in a series of national studies conducted
# the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded
# by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation
# that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in
# the contemporary United States."
>>>> and most non-believers SPECIFICALLY dissociate from atheism,
>>>> largely because you crackpots are always trying to speak for everyone,
>>>> claiming babies and buddhist and agnostics are all atheists, when
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew
>>>>>> FASTER!!!! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Athiests are 4% of the NON-Believers!! B^D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Than means 96 out of every 100 non-believers EXPLICITLY reject
>>>>>> atheism,
>>>>>> and yet you dogmatic and arrogant thugs try to speak for all of us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOAD!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's another reason why atheists are the most DISTRUSTED minority
>>>>>> in the USA.. you are abusive BEFORE you even hear another's
argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cowards stuck on the fence
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wait till your own post reveals what an irrational fool you are,
>>>>>> and then accurately label you as one.. (of course atheists then
>>>>>> scream and bleat that *I* am 'hateful..' because they PROJECT their
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> behaviour onto others all the time! but they are insignificant! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not cowardice to admit the truth; it is cowardice to
>>>>>> SNIP IT, as you did, because you atheists cannot DEAL with the
Truth;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agnosticism is the DEFAULT rational position becasue there is no
>>>>>> *conclusive* roof for the non-existence of God(Atheism) or the
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote another theist liar, ignores the
(about a 1000 lines of standard fasgnadh boilerplate propaganda snipped)
> >> > The vast majority of atheists ARE agnostic,
> >>
> >> As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
> >> dissociate from atheism
They may choose dissociate from Capital-A Atheism, which includes
actively believing that there are no gods, but are, by definition,
small-a atheists, which only requires failure to believe in any god.
And even that may be misleading, because the extreme prejudices against
any form of atheism voiced by perverts like Fasgnadh and other fundies,
makes many actual Atheists and atheists prefer not to out themselves.
> >>
> >> Even the other non believers, over 95% of them,reject Atheism;
But not atheism.
> >> Athiests are 4% of the NON-Believers!! B^D
> >>
> >
> > Atheist means exactly non-religious, you twat.
>
> No it doesn't, you arrogant atheist moron, it means non belief in GOD or
> gods.
That may be what (CAPITAL-A) Atheism means but is not what (small-a)
atheism means, you arrogant atheist moron.
(Note that to reject being a (small-a) atheist one must believe in the
existence of at least one god, so if Fasgnadh denies it again, he will
be admitting his theism).
>
> We have even seen the absurd hypocrisy of official atheist bodies
> CLAIMING THEY ARE A RELIGION!
There are no official atheist bodies, only official Atheist bodies.
And those Atheist bodies have a religious belief, i.e., a belief about
gods. It is only small-a atheists who have no religious beliefs.
>
>
> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION
Its equally official, Fasgnadh is one of the main persecutors of that
religion.
> You fools are IRRATIONAL NUTJOBS! No wonder the data shows that
> most rational non-believers want NOTHING TO DO WITH DOGMATIC
> MILITANT ATHEISM!
Meaning Atheism, but as non-beleivers, they are automatically atheists
(small-a atheists). Fasgnadh deliberately conflates the two groups.
>
> We have seen numerous atheists in alt.atheism claim that they are
> Buddhists, that all Buddhists are atheists because they don't believe in
> god, but Buddhism is a religion.
The separating criterion between being theist and being atheist is
whether one believer in any gods. Since Buddhism does not require,
though it does allow, believe in gods, it is esentially neutral on the
matter of theism versus atheism.
>
> You never protested when I was mocking their view and quoting the
> Buddhist notions of Re-incatnation, and Buddhist texts describing
> supernatural events and entities!
Buddhism is not in volved.
>
> One of the reasons atheists are REJECTED, even by the majority of NON-
> believers is this arrogant assumption that atheists can speak for ALL
> non-believers.. the ARIS datas proves THEY DONT!!
It only proves that capital-A atheism does not speak for all
non-believers, but by its very definition, small-a atheism is identical
to non-belief. you cannot have either without the other.
>
> We agnostics, a larger group among the non-believers
A person who claims to be a non-atheistic non-believer is a liar, since
atheism (as distinct from Atheism) is only a fancy word for non-belief
on any god.
> and growing faster than athrists
Whatever they are.
> are just ONE of the 96% of non-believers who EXPLICITLY
> REJECT atheism..
Those who reject (small-a) atheism are theists.
So if Fasgnadh does, he is.
Free Lunch
alt.atheism:
>
> fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote another theist liar, ignores the
>facts and all the research data:
>
>(about a 1000 lines of standard fasgnadh boilerplate propaganda snipped)
>
>> >> > The vast majority of atheists ARE agnostic,
>> >>
>> >> As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
>> >> dissociate from atheism
>
>They may choose dissociate from Capital-A Atheism, which
is nonexistent, though it is a favorite strawman of atheists who cannot
understand how people can manage not to believe in supernatural
superstitions.
>
...
fasgnadh
> because outing themselves as actual atheists would bring down on them
> the kind of unwarranted unpleasantness
B^D What a rificulous LIE! B^D The ARIS data is based on an
ANYONYMOUS scientific survey.. the figures are aggregates of responses
where individual identities are NOT RECORDED.. thus this ARIS data is
honest, there is no need for the respondents to LIE.. as Virgil, just
another dishonest atheist fraud is doing:
> that FASGNADH keeps trying to promulgate.
I promulgate the TRUTH.. and all the atheists can do is feeble, easily
disproved, LIES.. no person can be identified from the ARIS data and
therefore no one is 'outed' by being honest about their beliefs...
Atheists, as we have repeatedly seen are pathologically DISHONEST about
theirs!
Andre Lieven
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:11:57 -0700, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in
> alt.atheism:
Correcting a significant typo...
> > fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote another theist liar, ignores the
> >facts and all the research data:
>
> >(about a 1000 lines of standard fasgnadh boilerplate propaganda snipped)
>
> >> >> > The vast majority of atheists ARE agnostic,
>
> >> >> As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
> >> >> dissociate from atheism
>
> >They may choose dissociate from Capital-A Atheism, which
>
> is nonexistent, though it is a favorite strawman of atheists
One presumes that you meant to write: "...strawman of THEISTS..."
> who cannot
> understand how people can manage not to believe in supernatural
> superstitions.
Quite.
Andre
Free Lunch
<andre...@yahoo.ca> wrote in alt.atheism:
>On Nov 14, 8:29�pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:11:57 -0700, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in
>> alt.atheism:
>
>Correcting a significant typo...
>
>> > fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote another theist liar, ignores the
>> >facts and all the research data:
>>
>> >(about a 1000 lines of standard fasgnadh boilerplate propaganda snipped)
>>
>> >> >> �> The vast majority of atheists ARE agnostic,
>>
>> >> >> As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
>> >> >> dissociate from atheism
>>
>> >They may choose dissociate from Capital-A Atheism, which
>>
>> is nonexistent, though it is a favorite strawman of atheists
>
>One presumes that you meant to write: "...strawman of THEISTS..."
Thanks for the correction. Oy vey.
Andre Lieven
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:43:50 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven
>
> >On Nov 14, 8:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:11:57 -0700, Virgil <Vir...@home.esc> wrote in
> >> alt.atheism:
>
> >Correcting a significant typo...
>
> >> > fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote another theist liar, ignores the
> >> >facts and all the research data:
>
> >> >(about a 1000 lines of standard fasgnadh boilerplate propaganda snipped)
>
> >> >> >> > The vast majority of atheists ARE agnostic,
>
> >> >> >> As the ARIS data shows, most non-believers SPECIFICALLY
> >> >> >> dissociate from atheism
>
> >> >They may choose dissociate from Capital-A Atheism, which
>
> >> is nonexistent, though it is a favorite strawman of atheists
>
> >One presumes that you meant to write: "...strawman of THEISTS..."
>
> Thanks for the correction. Oy vey.
Hey, typos happen...
Even had I not experience reading your posts which suggested to me
that
that was a typo, because it being a correct typing would have been at
odds
with your commonly stated views, the context of the rest of your post
would
have strongly suggested that it was, in fact, a typo.
fasgnadh
It is the traditional Cult of Personality which every atheist regime
indulges in.
As the alpha male in alt.atheism it has been easy to establish
intellectual dominance, a battle of wits with atheists is
like fighting an unarmed opponent! B^]
All I had to do was kick their ex-Warlord in the nuts and all the
submissive chimps cowed in abject awe! B^D
>> For atheists who see themselves as computers with rat instincts,, you
> # If "fasgnadh" in his wildest dreams imagines HE would ever be any
> Atheist's God Figure, he is completely deluded.
And yet, once again, the atheist response is to accept without argument
every fact and rational argument I have made.. and to talk about ME! B^D
My point is PROVEN! B^]
> Most of us, presumably, continue to attack "fasgnadh"'s myths
No, you don't, as this thread show, you never lay a glove on the
well argued, well supported with facts, case which I present..
you all RANT endlessly about ME! The most common atheist
post is to MISREPRESENT and FORGE my post, and then attack the strawman
atheist creation.. because apparently MY argument is indisputable.
Look at Don's post as an example.. it starts "If 'fasgnadh in his
wildest dreams imagines...." B^D It is pure, and completely
innaccurate, SPECULATION by Don on what he imagines I MIGHT imagine..
EVERYTHING in Don's post after the "If" is worthless, false OPINION! B^D
NO EVIDENCE for any of it! My arguments are like Holy Water splashed
on Vampires to irrational atheists who repeatedly demonstrate their
obsessional Cult Of Personality... not because they like me, but
because they FEAR me. Some have completely abandoned alt.atheism,
others just run away from every argument! B^D
You cannot find more tenuous nonsense ANYWHERE in the universe, not even
amongst the tenets of Scientology or the beliefs of atheists themselves;
# "it makes utterly no difference which goddesses or gods
# you believe in, as long as you have some...
# Me, I'd suggest Bastet." - Cary Kittrell
#
# (has he misspelled 'Kitten'? ;-)
# From: Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com>
# Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
# Message-ID:
<b966d162-63bb-4f9f...@m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
#
# We may worship cats but we love all kinds of animals.
take it to alt.sex.bestiality, please!
> because the Great Man continues to promulgate them.
I re-iterate my winning arguments because they are so obviously
true that no atheists can refute them.
And atheists only response in the long term is to stick their heads
up their arses and pretend their ridiculous, pointless dogma is not
publicly EVISCERATED on a regular basis.
But I post for the wider audience. B^]
I have never expected to convince or convert atheists by reason
because they are immune to it.. the series of atheist regimes
provide abundant historical PROOF of that!
I use atheists, especially the clearly dishonest forgery of
Virgil Syd and the rest, and the violent psychopathic thuggery
of Warlord Fluffy, Trance Stupor and their barbarians, as teaching
tools for the non-atheist audience. They now have a very clear
idea of the hate-filled nastiness of the athei-Sith cult! B^]
> Not that our efforts are ever
> likely to penetrate
Because they are froth and bubble.. signifying NOTHING!
> As for the demise of Communism, the news of its death (as Mark Twain
> said of his own) may be rather exaggerated; as Cuba hangs on, as does North
> Korea,
Great advertisments for atheism, you raving nutjob! B^D
The others have abandoned state atheism, and since then they have prospered;
> Vietnam, Laos, and (nominally) China.
Clearly you haven't been to any of those places and observed their
total capitulation to the MARKET!
China reformed it's constitution, CEASED the total persecution of
religion, and has since prospered as theism has exploded in that
country's desire to flee the misery and despair of atheist repression;
Why are atheists so pig-ignorant of their own history; ??? B^]
"With the gradual liberalisation that developed with
Deng Xiaoping's open door reforms, religion was no
longer proscribed. In 1982, the constitution was
amended to allow Chinese people considerable freedom
of religion."
http://cbbc.org/china_guide/religion.html
"At the first world Buddhism forum in East China's Zhejiang
Province last year, the Chinese government acknowledged
the active role religion plays in building a harmonious society."
"For example, religious beliefs have helped cut down crime
to a large extent,"
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
"religion has been enjoying a resurgence in China over the
past 20 years, as Communist Party disapproval has eased"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6337627.stm
"Religious believers thrice the estimate
By Wu Jiao (China Daily)
"A survey has found that the number of religious believers
is three times bigger than the official estimate.
The poll of about 4,500 people, conducted by professors Tong
Shijun and Liu Zhongyu of Shanghai-based East China Normal
University from 2005 till recently, found that 31.4 percent
of Chinese aged 16 and above or about 300 million are religious."
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/07/content_802994.htm
Incredible! in just a few short years the new converts from
atheism In JUST ONE COUNTRY, far outnumber the slow increase
in tiny atheist numbers in the rest of the WORLD! B^D
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAA
> Socialism (where not seen as synonymous with Communism) is alive and
> well in South America,
YOu poor deluded fuckwit.. none of the socialist countries have
imposed anti-religious atheism or been atheist states!
Thanks for pointing out how much better EVERY country with religious
freedom outperforms every atheist state!!!
ALL ATHEIST STATES HAVE BEEN HOPELESS TOTALITARIAN TYRANNIES!
End of story!
Suck it up, LOSERS! B^]
Even Don is forced to admit that the recovery of the Russian economy
has occurred since the abandonment of repressive state atheism and
the subsequent return to religion;
> As to resurgence of the Russian Orthodox Church,
Why has the improvement in the Russian economy, social and political
life accompanied it! B^D
Atheists NEVER get the point! B^p
> this delusion will slowly be vaporised,
YOUR delusion is already vapourised!
Your repitition of the promise by Lenin and his cronies that
things would improve when the religious were eliminated has been
totally DEMOLISHED by history.
Only you blind fools fail to see it;
http://data5.blog.de/media/481/2584481_bdc195fac4_m.jpeg
> as the hard facts of a secular, sceptical, and
> scientific, Age, dawn.
They already have.. IN MAJORITY RELIGIOUS SOCIETIES THAT CREATED THOSE
FABULOUS FEATURES.. the societies in which even you atheist hypocrites
CHOOSE to live in, rather than the paradise of atheist North Korea!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
> As for "fasgnadh"
Give up your obsession with the Cult of Personality, it didn't work
for you credulous cretins with Lenin, Mao, Stalin, and it isn't working
with Dawkins Hitchins, Whorelord Steve, and the other ranting militant
atheists! B^]
Don H
# "fasgnadh" keeps coming back to two themes:
(1) Communism is Evil, and Commos are Atheist, thus all Atheists are
Evil - which ignores non-Communist Atheists; and,
(2) all Scientists of history were Theists, and our Civilization is due to
them - which ignores the risk of offending Church dogma, by Galileo, Darwin,
etc.
The trouble is : in a sceptical, secular, and scientific Age, "God" is
conspicuous by his absence.
Nowadays, we generally go by empirical evidence, and this is totally
lacking for any deity.
Whatever happened in the past - re both scientists and communists - it
is today's world we live in, and atheism is the default position. If you
have a god, trot him out; otherwise, I'm afraid you're an atheist, like it
or not.
Only the Taliban and other brainwashed zombies believe in a god - and he
is a fictional tribal leader for them to rally around (as he always was).
God is not called Father, Lord (Leader), King, and Creator, for nothing.
This reflects his historical evolution in the human mind.
God did not create Man in his image - we created gods, goddesses, God,
in our image.
When the human race dies out, our anthropomorphic deities will die with
us.
"fasgnadh" can rave all he wants to; he can't prove God exists. But
then he's an Agnostic, eh? Which is an Atheist in disguise, or, at least, a
Fellow Traveller.
fasgnadh
> When you start of with a pathetic, ignorant claim like: "Why atheists are a
> tiny 4% of Non-Believers" - nothing of any consequence can follow.
Because you cannot dispute the Truth, read the ARIS data and weep:
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU ATHEIST CRETINS!
1,621,000 atheists, a pitiful 0.7%^ of the Population and
a pathetic 4% of the 'Non-Religious' (34,169,000)
Clearly most non-religious refuse to be associated with atheists.
ARIS is an anonymous survey, the most widely quoted and respected
scientific survey of religious affiliation, and 96% of those who don't
care, don't have an opinion either way, or simply can't be bothered
thinking about the matter.. EXPLICITLY REJECT ATHEISM!!!!
Suck it up, you rejected atheist losers!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D
No wonder atheists are the most despised and distrusted
minority in the USA, they snip all the evidence, post lies
and then run away from the facts! pffffft!
<Unsnip>
> IlBe...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 5:38 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Virgil wrote:
>>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>>> Don H wrote:
>>>>>> "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> God(Theism), acknowledge this central role which Religion plays and
>>>>>>>>> has always played, in the evolving human civilisation, and the
>>>>>>>>> scientific inquiry which has deepened it's understanding.
>>>>>>>> Thats what makes them soo fucking stupid,
>>>>>>> See, that's why agnostics reject atheism! You are rude, ignorant,
>>>>>>> dogmatic and full of hatred and venom..
>>> >
>>> > Actually agnostics quite often embrace one form of atheism,
>>>
>>> We are not discussing the times Whorelord Steve sucks your cock! 8^o
>>>
>>> >>>> no wonder the insightful
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> books of the worlds great religions describe you as Vipers.
>>>>> And every time the Vipers slither and hiss... they PROVE MY POINT:
>>>>> > # If an atheist is "someone who does not believe in any god",
>>>>> Who cares how you define yourselves..
>>>>> I'm an agnostic, I don't believe Atheists can rationally Prove
>>>>> that God does not exist, and Theists cannot PROVE that God does exist..
>>>>> so the only rational position is to
>>>>> admit that no one knows, and leave people to Freedom of Belief,
>>>>> as guaranteed among all the Freedoms and Rights in the UN Charter,
>>>>> every one of which was REMOVED by EVERY atheist regime in history!!!
>>> > But it is the exercise of that freedom of belief that
>>> > Fasgnadh attacks.
>>>
>>> All I do is expose atheist beliefs and leave it to the decent
>>> citizens to decide what they want to do about violent psychopaths
>>> who advocate murder, desecration of the corpses and Genocide,
>>> all of which are atheist traditions;
>>>
>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9...@4ax.com>
>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>> #
>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats and
>>> # not in a girly way.
>>> #
>>> # Warlord Steve
>>> # BAAWA
>>>
>>> Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
>>>
>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>>> # Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>>> # Message-ID: <8t6ve5hs41qn3a2rv57fjcg60tufoa4...@4ax.com>
>>> # Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
>>> #
>>> # On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"# <blondes_gaulloi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> #
>>> # >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
>>> #
>>> # It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
>>> # The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
>>> #
>>> # Warlord Steve
>>> # BAAWA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> The problem with atheists is that like OTHER FUNDIES, they try and
>>>>> DICTATE WHAT OTHERS, in their view, MUST BELIEVE!
>>>>> And As ARIS shows, 96% of non-believers tell atheists EXPLICITLY AND
>>>>> CLEARLY, to bugger off, and STOP pretending they speak for us! B^D
>>>>> Yet despite being the most despised and distrusted MINORITY,
>>>>> even among NON-Believers, the arrogant, dogmatic atheist thugs still
>>>>> think they can DICTATE and DEFINE what other people are...
>>>>> and that is why they are distrusted and despised!!! B^]
>>>>> > then ALL non-believers are atheists, like it or not.
>>>>> Clearly atheists are living in LaLa Land, ignoring the facts:
>>>>>>> Even the other non believers, over 95% of them, REJECT ATHEISM;
>>>>>>> # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
>>>>>>> # -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
>>>>>>> # fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
>>>>>>> #
>>>>>>> # From: fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au>
>>>>>>> # Newsgroups:
>>>>>>> # alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
>>>>>>> # alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
>>>>>>> # Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$cu.16...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9...@4ax.com>
>>>>> #From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
>>>>> # Subject: Re: The Big Bang Theory
>>>>> # Message-ID: <j9p7e550bbdcc9oijtip4mqghhe76jn...@4ax.com>
>>>>> # Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:46:34 -0700
>>>>> #
>>>>> # "Firnando" wrote:
>>>>> #
>>>>> # >The Big Bang Theory
>>>>> #
>>>>> # You wanna see the big bang?
>>>>> #
>>>>> # NSFW!
>>>>> #
>>>>> # http://www.ovguide.com/adult.html
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>> If you Google the word "Mother" for Steve Knight, this is what you find
>>>>> Steve has to say about his idea of family relations;
>>>>> # took his rubber cock out of his mouth, shoved it
>>>>> # up his mother's ass and ...
>>>>> #
>>>>> # - From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion,alt.religion.christian,
>>>>> # alt.agnosticism
>>>>> # Subject: Re: Better place to debate theists?
>>>>> # Message-ID: <8pj4e5pk7oi5ohvjpsv04dpshf6l4do...@4ax.com>
>>>>> # Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:06:52 -0700
>>>>> His sick fantasies include violent murder and desecration
>>>>> of the bodies of his enemies, men, women and children:
>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9...@4ax.com>
>>>>> # Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
>>>>> #
>>>>> # We kill theists and shit down their throats
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>> This Atheist LEADER, who they all pay homage to, even sick females
>>>>> like Trance Stupor who share his perversions, uses imagery full
>>>>> of the violent misogyny he expresses in the posts above:
>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Subject: Re: a.a.(atheist.angst.)
>>>>> # OT(Ordinary and Tiresome) - not-a-Joke
>>>>> # Message-ID: <i2cld5hbru4nugsib6jcqkmsrgcidf1...@4ax.com>
>>>>> # Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:37:21 -0700
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Your Dad wanted to watch me fuck your Mom in the
>>>>> # ass and offered me a kilo of crack to do it.
>>>>> # I told him she was so fucking fat and oily and smelled
>>>>> # like two day old urine that I'd need at least five kilos
>>>>> # and a gallon of Jack.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # The only thing keeping me interested is putting a bag
>>>>> # over your sister's head and fucking her mouth.
>>>>> # I love that cooing sound when she swallows my sperm.
>>>>> #
>>>>> # Warlord Steve
>>>>> # BAAWA
>>>>> As he admits, (rather unecessarily ;-) atheists have serious mental
>>>>> issues and they come to Usenet to share their personal problems:
>>>>> # From: Steve Knight <sknigh...@cox.net>
>>>>> # Newsgroups: alt.atheism
>>>>> # Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
>>>>> # Message-ID: <p8mrb5lvaf0cj5bp1e4jbmlsqebu9j9...@4ax.com>
>>> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...
>>>
>>> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
>>> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>>>
>>> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
>>> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>>>
>>> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
>>> - Lenin
>>>
>>> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>>>
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>> Here is the reason the percentage of proclaimed 'atheists' is so
>> incredibly low ; no one really has the kind of faith required to
>> think the following was produced by anything BUT a skillful,
>> incredible, almighty, and loving personal Designer/Creator. Like
>> anything else...the design is in the details and if it sounds like
>> design, looks like design, is scientifically-confirmed to be
>> design...then by-gum it IS design ! (something raw materials and
>> natural occurences could never ever accomplish ) . See the following
>> and be in awe of our wonderful personal Creator of the Cosmos who
>> fashioned it all for us (if your WILL shall allow !) . Its no longer
>> about lack of evidence for God, its about the individuals will to
>> overcome not wanting God to exist :
>>
>> The Cosmological Constant is to within 120 decimal places and the
>> Expansion Rate of the Universe according to Prof. Stephen Hawkins is
>> 1/1,000,000 th otherwise we arent here. Considering these two , plus
>> the following that has been scientifically verified, it is completely
>> absurd to think this Universe/Solar System/Earth wasnt pre-planned ,
>> incredibly well designed , and Created by a Mind at work ....and one
>> is so powerful that it boggles the Mind. Your ultimate purpose to
>> living is to get to know this obvious personal Creator , and the ball
>> is in your court ; the wise among us make the effort putting aside
>> pride :
>>
>> The table below lists the parameters required for a planet to be able
>> to sustain life. Individually, the probabilities of occurrence of each
>> parameter are not particularly impressive. The fact that all of these
>> parameters are found on the Earth is extremely impressive, indicating
>> an extreme deviation from random chance. The probability values below
>> are ones obtained from that observed in the universe as a whole.
>>
>> Uniqueness of the Galaxy-Sun-Earth-Moon System for Life Support
>>
>> galaxy size (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if too large: infusion of gas and stars would disturb sun's orbit and
>> ignite deadly galactic eruptions
>> if too small: infusion of gas would be insufficient to sustain star
>> formation long enough for life to form
>> galaxy type (7) (p = 0.1)
>> if too elliptical: star formation would cease before sufficient heavy
>> elements formed for life chemistry
>> if too irregular: radiation exposure would be too severe (at times)
>> and life-essential heavy elements would not form
>> galaxy location (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if too close to dense galaxy cluster: galaxy would be gravitationally
>> unstable, hence unsuitable for life
>> if too close to large galaxy(ies): same result
>> supernovae eruptions (8) (p = 0.01)
>> if too close: radiation would exterminate life
>> if too far: too little "ash" would be available for rocky planets to
>> form
>> if too infrequent: same result
>> if too frequent: radiation would exterminate life
>> if too soon: too little "ash" would be available for rocky planets to
>> form
>> if too late: radiation would exterminate life
>> white dwarf binaries (8) (p = 0.01)
>> if too few: insufficient fluorine would exist for life chemistry
>> if too many: orbits of life-supportable planets would be disrupted;
>> life would be exterminated
>> if too soon: insufficient fluorine would exist for life chemistry
>> if too late: fluorine would arrive too late for life chemistry
>> proximity of solar nebula to a supernova eruption (9)
>> if farther: insufficient heavy elements would be attracted for life
>> chemistry
>> if closer: nebula would be blown apart
>> timing of solar nebula formation relative to supernova eruption (9)
>> if earlier: nebula would be blown apart
>> if later: nebula would not attract enough heavy elements for life
>> chemistry
>> parent star distance from center of galaxy (9) (p = 0.2)
>> if greater: insufficient heavy elements would be available for rocky
>> planet formation
>> if lesser: radiation would be too intense for life; stellar density
>> would disturb planetary orbits, making life impossible
>> parent star distance from closest spiral arm (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if too small: radiation from other stars would be too intense and the
>> stellar density would disturb orbits of life-supportable planets
>> if too great: quantity of heavy elements would be insufficient for
>> formation of life-supportable planets
>> z-axis range of star's orbit (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if too wide: exposure to harmful radiation from galactic core would be
>> too great
>> number of stars in the planetary system (10) (p = 0.2)
>> if more than one: tidal interactions would make the orbits of
>> life-supportable planets too unstable for life
>> if fewer than one: no heat source would be available for life
>> chemistry
>> parent star birth date (9) (p = 0.2)
>> if more recent: star burning would still be unstable; stellar system
>> would contain too many heavy elements for life chemistry
>> if less recent: stellar system would contain insufficient heavy
>> elements for life chemistry
>> parent star age (9) (p = 0.4)
>> if older: star's luminosity would be too erratic for life support
>> if younger: same result
>> parent star mass (10) (p = 0.001)
>> if greater: star's luminosity would be too erratic and star would burn
>> up too quickly to support life
>> if lesser: life support zone would be too narrow; rotation period of
>> life-supportable planet would be too long; UV radiation would be
>> insufficient for photosynthesis
>> parent star metallicity (9) (p = 0.05)
>> if too little: insufficient heavy elements for life chemistry would
>> exist
>> if too great: radioactivity would be too intense for life; heavy
>> element concentrations would be poisonous to life
>> parent star color (9) (p = 0.4)
>> if redder: photosynthetic response would be insufficient to sustain
>> life
>> if bluer: same result
>> H3+ production (23) (p = 0.1)
>> if too little: simple molecules essential to planet formation and life
>> chemistry would never form
>> if too great: planets would form at the wrong time and place for life
>> parent star luminosity (11) (p = 0.0001)
>> if increases too soon: runaway green house effect would develop
>> if increases too late: runaway glaciation would develop
>> surface gravity (governs escape velocity) (12) (p = 0.001)
>> if stronger: planet's atmosphere would retain too much ammonia and
>> methane for life
>> if weaker: planet's atmosphere would lose too much water for life
>> distance from parent star (13) (p = 0.001)
>> if greater: planet would be too cool for a stable water cycle
>> if lesser: planet would be too warm for a stable water cycle
>> inclination of orbit (22) (p = 0.5)
>> if too great: temperature range on the planet's surface would be too
>> extreme for life
>> orbital eccentricity (9) (p = 0.3)
>> if too great: seasonal temperature range would be too extreme for life
>> axial tilt (9) (p = 0.3)
>> if greater: surface temperature differences would be too great to
>> sustain diverse life-forms
>> if lesser: same result
>> rate of change of axial tilt (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: climatic and temperature changes would be too extreme for
>> life
>> rotation period (11) (p = 0.1)
>> if longer: diurnal temperature differences would be too great for life
>> if shorter: atmospheric wind velocities would be too great for life
>> rate of change in rotation period (14) (p = 0.05)
>> if more rapid: change in day-to-night temperature variation would be
>> too extreme for sustained life
>> if less rapid: change in day-to-night temperature variation would be
>> too slow for the development of advanced life
>> planet's age (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if too young: planet would rotate too rapidly for life
>> if too old: planet would rotate too slowly for life
>> magnetic field (20) (p = 0.01)
>> if stronger: electromagnetic storms would be too severe
>> if weaker: planetary surface and ozone layer would be inadequately
>> protected from hard solar and stellar radiation
>> thickness of crust (15) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: crust would rob atmosphere of oxygen needed for life
>> if lesser: volcanic and tectonic activity would be destructive to life
>> albedo (ratio of reflected light to total amount falling on surface)
>> (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: runaway glaciation would develop
>> if less: runaway greenhouse effect would develop
>> asteroid and comet collision rates (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: ecosystem balances would be destroyed
>> if less: crust would contain too little of certain life-essential
>> elements
>> mass of body colliding with primordial earth (9) (0 = 0.002)
>> if greater: Earth's orbit and form would be too greatly disturbed for
>> life
>> if lesser: Earth's atmosphere would be too thick for life; moon would
>> be too small to fulfill its life-sustaining role
>> timing of above collision (9) (p = 0.05)
>> if earlier: Earth's atmosphere would be too thick for life; moon would
>> be too small to fulfill its life-sustaining role
>> if later: Earth's atmosphere would be too thin for life; sun would be
>> too luminous for subsequent life
>> oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere (25) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: advanced life functions would proceed too rapidly
>> if lesser: advanced life functions would proceed too slowly
>> carbon dioxide level in atmosphere (21) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: runaway greenhouse effect would develop
>> if less: plants would be unable to maintain efficient photosynthesis
>> water vapor quantity in atmosphere (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: runaway greenhouse effect would develop
>> if less: rainfall would be too meager for advanced land life
>> atmospheric electric discharge rate (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: fires would be too frequent and widespread for life
>> if less: too little nitrogen would be fixed in the atmosphere
>> ozone quantity in atmosphere (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: surface temperatures would be too low for life;
>> insufficient UV radiation for life
>> if less: surface temperatures would be too high for life; UV radiation
>> would be too intense for life
>> oxygen quantity in atmosphere (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: plants and hydrocarbons would burn up too easily,
>> destabilizing Earth's ecosystem
>> if less: advanced animals would have too little to breathe
>> seismic activity (16) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: life would be destroyed; ecosystem would be damaged
>> if less: nutrients on ocean floors from river runoff would not be
>> recycled to continents through tectonics; not enough carbon dioxide
>> would be released from carbonate buildup
>> volcanic activity (26)
>> if lower: insufficient amounts of carbon dioxide and water vapor would
>> be returned to the atmosphere; soil mineralization would be
>> insufficient for life advanced life support
>> if higher: advanced life would be destroyed; ecosystem would be
>> damaged
>> rate of decline in tectonic activity (26) (p = 0.1)
>> if slower: crust conditions would be too unstable for advanced life
>> if faster: crust nutrients would be inadequate for sustained land life
>> rate of decline in volcanic activity (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if slower: crust and surface conditions would be unsuitable for
>> sustained land life
>> if faster: crust and surface nutrients would be inadequate for
>> sustained land life
>> oceans-to-continents ratio (11) (p = 0.2)
>> if greater: diversity and complexity of life-forms would be limited
>> if smaller: same result
>> rate of change in oceans-to-continents ratio (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if smaller: land area would be insufficient for advanced life
>> if greater: change would be too radical for advanced life to survive
>> distribution of continents (10) (p = 0.3)
>> if too much in the Southern Hemisphere: sea-salt aerosols would be
>> insufficient to stabilize surface temperature and water cycle;
>> increased seasonal differences would limit the available habitats for
>> advanced land life
>> frequency and extent of ice ages (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if lesser: Earth's surface would lack fertile valleys essential for
>> advanced life; mineral concentrations would be insufficient for
>> advanced life.
>> if greater: Earth would experience runaway freezing
>> soil mineralization (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if nutrient poorer: diversity and complexity of lifeforms would be
>> limited
>> if nutrient richer: same result
>> gravitational interaction with a moon (17) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: tidal effects on the oceans, atmosphere, and rotational
>> period would be too severe for life
>> if lesser: orbital obliquity changes would cause climatic
>> instabilities; movement of nutrients and life from the oceans to the
>> continents and vice versa would be insufficient for life; magnetic
>> field would be too weak to protect life from dangerous radiation
>> Jupiter distance (18) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: Jupiter would be unable to protect Earth from frequent
>> asteroid and comet collisions
>> if lesser: Jupiter�s gravity would destabilize Earth's orbit
>> Jupiter mass (19) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: Jupiter�s gravity would destabilize Earth's orbit 9
>> if lesser: Jupiter would be unable to protect Earth from asteroid and
>> comet collisions
>> drift in (major) planet distances (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: Earth's orbit would be destabilized
>> if less: asteroid and comet collisions would be too frequent for life
>> major planet orbital eccentricities (18) (p = 0.05)
>> if greater: Earth's orbit would be pulled out of life support zone
>> major planet orbital instabilities (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: Earth's orbit would be pulled out of life support zone
>> atmospheric pressure (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if smaller: liquid water would evaporate too easily and condense too
>> infrequently to support life
>> if greater: inadequate liquid water evaporation to support life;
>> insufficient sunlight would reach Earth's surface; insufficient UV
>> radiation would reach Earth's surface
>> atmospheric transparency (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: too broad a range of solar radiation wavelengths would
>> reach Earth's surface for life support
>> if lesser: too narrow a range of solar radiation wavelengths would
>> reach Earth's surface for life support
>> chlorine quantity in atmosphere (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: erosion rate and river, lake, and soil acidity would be
>> too high for most life forms; metabolic rates would be too high for
>> most life forms
>> if lesser: erosion rate and river, lake, and soil acidity would be too
>> low for most life forms; metabolic rates would be too low for most
>> life forms
>> iron quantity in oceans and soils (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: iron poisoning would destroy advanced life
>> if lesser: food to support advanced life would be insufficient
>> if very small: no life would be possible
>> tropospheric ozone quantity (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: advanced animals would experience respiratory failure;
>> crop yields would be inadequate for advanced life; ozone-sensitive
>> species would be unable to survive
>> if smaller: biochemical smog would hinder or destroy most life
>> stratospheric ozone quantity (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: not enough LTV radiation would reach Earth's surface to
>> produce food and life-essential vitamins
>> if lesser: too much LTV radiation would reach Earth's surface, causing
>> skin cancers and reducing plant growth
>> mesospheric ozone quantity (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: circulation and chemistry of mesospheric gases would
>> disturb relative abundance of life-essential gases in lower atmosphere
>> if lesser: same result
>> frequency and extent of forest and grass fires (24) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: advanced life would be impossible
>> if lesser: accumulation of growth inhibitors, combined with
>> insufficient nitrification, would make soil unsuitable for food
>> production
>> quantity of soil sulfur (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: plants would be destroyed by sulfur toxins, soil acidity,
>> and disturbance of the nitrogen cycle
>> if lesser: plants would die from An organic compound made of amino
>> acids arranged in a linear chain, joined together by peptide bonds
>> between the carboxyl and amino groups of the adjacent amino acid
>> residues.protein deficiency
>> biomass to comet-infall ratio (9) (p = 0.01)
>> if greater: greenhouse gases would decline, triggering runaway
>> freezing
>> if lesser: greenhouse gases would accumulate, triggering runaway
>> greenhouse effect
>> quantity of sulfur in planet's core (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: solid inner core would never form, disrupting magnetic
>> field
>> if smaller: solid inner core formation would begin too soon, causing
>> it to grow too rapidly and extensively, disrupting magnetic field
>> quantity of sea-salt aerosols (9) (p = 0.1)
>> if greater: too much and too rapid cloud formation over the oceans
>> would disrupt the climate and atmospheric temperature balances
>> if smaller: insufficient cloud formation; hence, inadequate water
>> cycle; disrupts atmospheric temperature balances and hence the climate
>> dependency factors (estimate 100,000,000,000)
>> longevity requirements (estimate .00001)
>> Total Probability = 1:1099
>>
>> Click here to see these parameters in table format.
>> Updated List of parameters
>> Taken from Big Bang Refined by Fire by Dr. Hugh Ross, 1998. Reasons To
>> Believe, Pasadena, CA.
>> By putting together probabilities for each of these design features
>> occurring by chance, we can calculate the probability of the existence
>> of a planet like Earth. This probability is 1 chance in 1099. Since
>> there are estimated to be a maximum of 1023 planets in the universe
>> (10 planets/star, see note below), by chance there shouldn't be any
>> planets capable of supporting life in the universe (only one chance in
>> 1076). Design or random chance?
>> Don't we ALL believe in miracles?
>>
>> Note: This is most likely a huge over estimate. In a recent survey of
>> globular cluster 47 Tucanae, scientists found zero extrasolar planets
>> out of 37,000 stars searched (Astronomers Ponder Lack of Planets in
>> Globular Cluster from the Hubble Space Telescope).
>> Related Resources
>>
>> Moons Like Earth's Moon are Rare in the Universe
>> God of the Gaps - Do All Christian Apologetics Fall Into This Kind of
>> Argument?
>> Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe by Peter D.
>> Ward and Donald Brownlee
>> A recent (2000) secular book that recognizes the improbable design of
>> the earth. Paleontologist Peter D. Ward and astrobiologist Donald
>> Brownlee examine the unusual characteristics of our galaxy, solar
>> system, star, and Earth and conclude that ET may have no home to go
>> to. Surprisingly, the authors conclude that the amazing "coincidences"
>> are the result of good luck and chance.
>> The Creator and the Cosmos by Dr. Hugh Ross
>> A classic book for modern Christian apologetics and science, recently
>> updated (June, 2001) with fully one third of the book updated. Dr.
>> Ross presents the latest scientific evidence for intelligent design of
>> our world and an easy to understand introduction to modern cosmology.
>> This is a great book to give agnostics, who have an interest in
>> cosmology and astronomy.
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Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> # Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
Several different gods perhaps in several mutually antagonist minor
landslides, perhaps, but the non-theists and don't cares are growing
fast in all nations with STRONGLY SECULAR DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS able to
protect their citizens from the evils of religion intrusion.