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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 7, 2012, 2:22:49 PM6/7/12
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It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
the Christians-- any more humble, but it seems that a fully grown man
riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast. I'd say that
would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end. Not
that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.

Nowadays I choose to ride a bike to prove a point, but it's often
ignored. Perhaps the Christians are not good at drawing parallels. I
can not ride a donkey without drawing too much attention. And there's
the fact that it may represent animal cruelty.

But that's only my humble opinion.


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Father Haskell

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Jun 7, 2012, 6:13:42 PM6/7/12
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On Jun 7, 2:22 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
The real jesus would carry the donkey around.

Tronscend

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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com>
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> It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
> point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
> the Christians-- any more humble, but it seems that a fully grown man
> riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast. I'd say that
> would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end. Not
> that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
> that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
> have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.
>
> Nowadays I choose to ride a bike to prove a point, but it's often
> ignored. Perhaps the Christians are not good at drawing parallels. I
> can not ride a donkey without drawing too much attention. And there's
> the fact that it may represent animal cruelty.
>
> But that's only my humble opinion.


A donkey was the contemporary bike solution,
just as 200 serfs = one tractor.



Dakota

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Jun 7, 2012, 11:07:22 PM6/7/12
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Not all donkeys are as long-suffering as the one Jesus rode into Jerusalem.

Numbers 22:28 KJV

And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What
have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

In a different context the Lord has been opening the mouths of asses
ever since.

Mike Painter

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Jun 8, 2012, 12:38:26 AM6/8/12
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> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"<thetibet...@gmail.com>
> skrev i melding
> news:da82b5ac-efc0-4856...@y41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
>> point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
>> the Christians-- any more humble, but it seems that a fully grown man
>> riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast. I'd say that
>> would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end. Not
>> that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
>> that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
>> have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.

Actually Matthew says he rode on an ass and a colt.

Matt 21:5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto
thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

Clearly this is prophesy and I don't understand why the great bible
scholars have not noticed it before.

It also shows that the Catholic priests were just doing God's work when
they rode a young ass.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 8, 2012, 1:12:34 PM6/8/12
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On Jun 8, 7:36 am, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 7, 9:17 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:24:37 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
> >> >point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
> >> >the Christians-- any more humble, but it seems that a fully grown man
> >> >riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast. I'd say that
> >> >would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end. Not
> >> >that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
> >> >that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
> >> >have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.
>
> >> >Nowadays I choose to ride a bike to prove a point, but it's often
> >> >ignored. Perhaps the Christians are not good at  drawing parallels. I
> >> >can not ride a donkey without drawing too much attention. And there's
> >> >the fact that it may represent animal cruelty.
>
> >> >But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >> and like most of your analogies based on a vivid imagination.
>
> >> You state that Jesus rode a donkey to prove his humbleness. While the
> >> reality was that in Jesus' society - basically a poor agrarian society
> >> - a donkey would have been an indication of a certain level of wealth
> >> while walking was undoubtedly the norm. In short, riding while the
> >> multitudes are walking indicates a certain superiority, not
> >> humbleness.
>
> >> You state that ridding a donkey represents a man carrying a 50 lb.
> >> load for hours on end is somehow overwhelming, ignoring that for
> >> centuries the normal army pack, regardless of  nationality, has been
> >> 60 lbs. and in years gone by an army got there by marching; for hours
> >> on end.
>
> >> Further you ignore the fact that "porters" people who make a living by
> >> carrying things quite frequently carry loads of 100 lbs, or more.
>
> >> In short you suffer from that common malady, in the vernacular, "you
> >> don't know what you are talking about".
>
> >Then it would be like pulling a 100 lb trailer with a bike. I know
> >it's heavy because I did it the other day.
>
> >Modern day Christians cite it as an act of humbleness though.
>
> Modern Christians, actually Christians throughout history have been
> saying things that cannot possibly have been true.

Maybe that's why they lie so easily:

QUESTION:
Why did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on a donkey?

ANSWER:
Jesus rode on a donkey, even a young donkey, because donkeys are
humble creatures. They are neither proud nor extravagant, but simply
humble. Jesus, the King of Kings, chose to demonstrate His humility by
riding on a humble beast.
Read the chapter on Jesus` triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey
here in Matthew 21:1-11.
Also here in Luke 19:28-40.
By entering Jerusalem on a donkey, Jesus was fulfilling prophecy found
in Old Testament Scripture.

Jesus` riding on a donkey lines up with what we read in the epistle of
Philippians chapter 2 - that Jesus, although equal to God, chose to
empty Himself of His human rights in humility to identify with weak
humanity.

http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/questions/did/why_did_jesus_ride_into_jerusalem_on_a_donkey_853.php

***

But the greater truth is casually ignored:

God is so humble that he won't show up anywhere.

duke

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Jun 8, 2012, 5:34:15 PM6/8/12
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2012 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
>point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
>the Christians-- any more humble

It was the approach to the greatest moment in history - the "King of the Jews"
riding an ass to his cross.

>, but it seems that a fully grown man
>riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast.

And what so you think a donkey is used for?

>I'd say that
>would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end.

Well, that just shows how stupid you are. You don't know much about history, do
you?

> Not
>that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
>that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
>have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.
>
>Nowadays I choose to ride a bike to prove a point, but it's often
>ignored. Perhaps the Christians are not good at drawing parallels. I
>can not ride a donkey without drawing too much attention. And there's
>the fact that it may represent animal cruelty.

Well, that would be a case of an ass on an ass.

>But that's only my humble opinion.

Welcome.

duke - American American

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duke

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Jun 8, 2012, 5:34:48 PM6/8/12
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Come on now. You're going to blow his mind.

duke

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Jun 8, 2012, 5:35:33 PM6/8/12
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Yep. finishing up with a monkey.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 8, 2012, 9:47:53 PM6/8/12
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On Jun 8, 5:34 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 03:49:56 +0200, "Tronscend" <tronf...@frizurf.no> wrote:
>
> >"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com>
> >skrev i melding
> >news:da82b5ac-efc0-4856...@y41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
> >> point about his humbleness. Not that it made his future followers --
> >> the Christians-- any more humble, but it seems that a fully grown man
> >> riding a donkey represents a burden for the poor beast. I'd say that
> >> would represent, say, having a man carry 50 lbs for hours on end. Not
> >> that the donkey would complain and say "Hey man, that's heavy," but
> >> that would make for a brutish life. It is evident that Jesus could
> >> have walked on foot the same path and still be Jesus.
>
> >> Nowadays I choose to ride a bike to prove a point, but it's often
> >> ignored. Perhaps the Christians are not good at  drawing parallels. I
> >> can not ride a donkey without drawing too much attention. And there's
> >> the fact that it may represent animal cruelty.
>
> >> But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> >A donkey was the contemporary bike solution,
> >just as 200 serfs = one tractor.
>
> Come on now.  You're going to blow his mind.
>
> duke - American American

Jesus inspired many and the population of asses continued to grow:

"In 1997 the number of donkeys in the world was reported to be
continuing to grow, as it had steadily done throughout most of
history; factors cited as contributing to this were increasing human
population, progress in economic development and social stability in
some poorer nations, conversion of forests to farm and range land,
rising prices of motor vehicles and fuel, and the popularity of
donkeys as pets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey#Present_status

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But the population is declining after that. The SUV is taking his
place.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 9, 2012, 1:03:23 AM6/9/12
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I want you to "think like an ass" when reading this opinion, so you
don't think like a master:

"Riding a horse is a form of exploitation. Just as a cow being milked
is a form of exploitation. When someone rides a horse, it is for their
benefit, not the horses. By riding a horse, you are forcing the horse
to do something you want the horse to do. Not what the horse wants to
do."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091205151654AAt23eq

***

So Jesus was into exploiting his donkey, possibly in a cruel way. Not
a nice thing to do for a god. But that's only my humble opinion.

Mike Lovell

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Jun 9, 2012, 1:18:58 AM6/9/12
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What a load of cobblers.

I'm a vegan myself, but that reply is absolute garbage.

Note they say milking a cow is exploitation, they refrained from saying
that particular practice was cruel because of course it's not. Barring
sadistic practices of factory farms.

Riding on a horse is akin to walking your dog, although you do a lot
less walking in the former!

A mutually beneficial exercise. Happiness all around, and you tell if a
dog or horse is happy or not.

It's not cruel in itself but that's not to say you cannot *be* cruel
while doing it.

Whipping, running a horse to exhaustion etc...

--
Jews, Christians & Muslims
The content of your posts will show how much you
really believe God is looking over your shoulder

duke

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Jun 9, 2012, 11:54:03 AM6/9/12
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Yep, you asses can't be convinced to come around.



>"In 1997 the number of donkeys in the world was reported to be
>continuing to grow, as it had steadily done throughout most of
>history; factors cited as contributing to this were increasing human
>population, progress in economic development and social stability in
>some poorer nations, conversion of forests to farm and range land,
>rising prices of motor vehicles and fuel, and the popularity of
>donkeys as pets."
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey#Present_status
>
>***
>
>But the population is declining after that. The SUV is taking his
>place.

Father Haskell

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On Jun 9, 1:03 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
You'd think the no good, lazy, goldbricking sonofabitch
could walk.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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He rode a donkey because his sandals had broken. But I wonder why he
didn't come up with the magic carpet.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 9, 2012, 10:34:59 PM6/9/12
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On Jun 9, 1:18 am, Mike Lovell <dev.n...@b0h0.com> wrote:
> On 2012-06-09, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I want you to "think like an ass" when reading this opinion, so you
> > don't think like a master:
>
> > "Riding a horse is a form of exploitation. Just as a cow being milked
> > is a form of exploitation. When someone rides a horse, it is for their
> > benefit, not the horses. By riding a horse, you are forcing the horse
> > to do something you want the horse to do. Not what the horse wants to
> > do."
>
> >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091205151654AAt23eq
>
> > ***
>
> > So Jesus was into exploiting his donkey, possibly in a cruel way. Not
> > a nice thing to do for a god. But that's only my humble opinion.
>
> What a load of cobblers.
>
> I'm a vegan myself, but that reply is absolute garbage.
>
> Note they say milking a cow is exploitation, they refrained from saying
> that particular practice was cruel because of course it's not. Barring
> sadistic practices of factory farms.

You are about to say that the act of slaughtering an animal is an act
of mercy. If they had a good life, then death would be more cruel.

But people who justify milking the cows usually justify the capitalist
exploitation of the workers. Are you for fleecing the sheep too, and
isn't that part of what religion is all about?

BroilJAB

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Obama infuriated Democrats and union leaders
by refusing to campaign in Wisconsin Tuesday.
His tweet didn't help. Obama said that while he
loves the ambience of the gold Palace at Versailles,
he still finds the view from Venice more to his liking.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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On Jun 11, 11:59 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<thetibetanmon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 10:35 pm, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> > "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher" <thetibetanmon...@gmail.com>
> > wrote in messagenews:ee0b8530-03fe-4235...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >What I wonder is how lunatics can become mainstream.
>
> > you also need to go watch the movie "idiocracy"
>
> I saw it. It's prophetic.

I'm sitting in the perfect place to have an inspiration: Under the
trees, bicycles next to us, cool summer breeze, birds singing,
chihuahua next to me...

Actually I got two inspirations:

Jesus rode a donkey to inspire DonkeyXote (it was Sancho who actually
rode the donkey) and Jesus meant to signal that SLOW IS THE WAY TO GO.

The bicycle is the vehicle of enlightenment.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jun 13, 2012, 12:16:11 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 11, 7:43 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote:
> > Tom $herman wrote:
> >> Wes Groleau wrote:
> >> > TibetanMonkey wrote:
>
> >> >> That is why in this Christian nation they treat a cyclist as an idiot?
>
> >> > _You_ come off as the idiot when you say things like that.
>
> >> > This is not a Christian nation, and the VERY SMALL MINORITY who have bad
> >> > attitudes toward cyclists are less Christian than the national average.
>
> >> Cite?
>
> The, "not a Christian nation" statement
> tends to arise from ideas that the Founders
> while being Deists, were not necessarily
> nor particularly Christians.
>
> http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm
>
> The claim that there is a small minority
> of any group who have a bad attitude toward cyclists,
> or any other group, is probably correct.
>
> Imagine if the majority of Christians, motorists in particular,
> had a bad attitude toward cyclists. The results might be
> far fewer rights of the road than are at present granted.

Well, the fact that few cyclists ride on the road for practical
purposes speaks volume of the drivers out there. They may at least
ride to the market to get the groceries, but SUVs dominate the
landscape.

What rules in the jungle is FEAR. If you let the terrorists do as they
please, few people would ride airplanes, but DRIVERS GET AWAY WITH THE
SAME CRIMES.

But that's only my humble opinion.

> Waste is not necessarily bad however.
> If there is no reason for the Universe at heart,
> then everything is really okay from the start.

God himself chose to be wasteful to have created an Universe
incredibly large to house to house such a bipedal species with the
capacity to wipe out life with casual disregard --that's us.

But Jesus tried to change all that by riding a donkey...

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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On Jun 12, 12:31 am, "i2i" <boo...@netzero.net> wrote:
> "mind" <being@.... --- -- .> wrote in messagenews:8l0dt7drt3l4idmve...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "i2i" wrote:
> >>"TibetanMonkey..." wrote:
>
> >>> It is said that a man called Jesus once rode a donkey to prove some
> >>> point about his humbleness.
>
> >>considering that it is taking him more than
> >>2000 years for a second coming that's probably
> >>the only piece of ass he could get.
>
> > It takes only a second for a second to arrive.
>
> > H'ears a look sea at a trans of the Zz.
>
> > "If it was meant for everyone to follow a teacher, would there be a
> > single person who'd be without a teacher for a moment? Does the quest
> > for knowledge mean replacing one's true feelings with the teachings of
> > someone else? Fools tend to group together."
> > ...
> > A fool believes himself to be awake, inwardly and privately actually
> > believing he knows who he really is. Princes! Paupers! Indeed! You and
> > Qiu (Confucius) are both dreaming. When I call you a dreamer,
> > I'm also a dreamer. As for what I've said, it could be called
> > a flight of fancy.
>
> > If in all the generations to come we could meet up with someone who
> > had such great wisdom that they knew how to explain all this, it would
> > be like dawn and sunset occurring at the same time."
>
> > There was a time, when one turned to one.
>
> > It was, and is, referred to as the year of their lord.
>
> > Sew now a daze, you say 2000 years, 2,012 to be precise
> > after that one was said to have arrived on Earth
> > when dawn and sunset occurred at once.
>
> > The realm of the heart is within.
> > It tends to be an eternal realm.
>
> > Now, prehaps one
> > may see and saw it.
>
> > Now and then, mebbe knots.
>
> > To expect the spiritual to be material
> > might be to confuse regions of being.
>
> > Once one has rounded a block enuf
> > what was a cube turns into a sphere.
>
> > Once one has cut down a tree
> > it tends not to be much of a tree.
>
> > To fell without falling
> > into a well the sea turtle
> > tried to explain to a frog once
> > up on a time.
>
> > For a second
> > it took only a second
> > to arrive at a page of a Zz.
>
> >http://www.daoisopen.com/ZZ17.html
>
> > - calling all tops ...
>
> i'll bet christ never realized
> how complicated it can be
> just to get a piece of ass.

Maybe he chose the wrong vehicle. A horse would have made him more
impressive, possibly with wings.

Father Haskell

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Flying unicorn would be more his style.

Mike Painter

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On 6/13/2012 1:49 PM, Father Haskell wrote:
<snip>
>>>> - calling all tops ...
>>
>>> i'll bet christ never realized
>>> how complicated it can be
>>> just to get a piece of ass.
>>
>> Maybe he chose the wrong vehicle. A horse would have made him more
>> impressive, possibly with wings.
>
> Flying unicorn would be more his style.

The One True Christ would have picked the FSM. No need for cannibalism
and you can feed more people.

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

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Jun 22, 2012, 12:29:27 PM6/22/12
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Ha ha! All those noodly appendages likely would have overwhelmed many
of the simple people of that era with hypnotic confusion (more than what
religion was already offerring at the time) and wouldn't have fared
well in the anti-pirate discrimination that religious leaders were
trying ever so subtly to foster against the pastafarians.

Besides, can you imagine how difficult it would have been to nail a
Flying Spaghetti Monster to a cross in those days? Good quality metal
spikes also weren't cheap back then, y'know!

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"The mere thought hadn't even begun to speculate about the merest
possibility of crossing my mind."
-- Douglas Noel Adams, Satirical Statistical Scientist
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