To Follow Jesus Is To Be A Pedophile - Christianity Must Be Banned NOW And Replaced With Islam
fasgnadh
were both Christian and have the blood of millions on their hands. George
Bush is a Christian and he has the blood of 600,000 innocents on his
hands.
Is it time to burn the churches and slit the throats of the satan
worshiping priests? Some say yes. Why does God sit idly by and allow the
genocide of millions at the hands of these religious charlatains who
worship a fake God?
Here's proof of vile disgusting Christian pedophelia:
Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged
with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in
2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and
charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota
Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003)
Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual assault case
Tuscon, AZ. The Rev. David Valencia, 47, assistant pastor of a Pentecostal
church is expected in court Wednesday on rape charges issued by
Pennsylvania authorities. In Pennsylvania, Valencia was an assistant
pastor at Christ Church at Grove Farm, an interdenominational church that
uses Anglican liturgy. The pastor of Christ Church, the Rev. John Guest,
told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Valencia was dismissed in late 2001
because he was found to have pornography on an office computer after he
was warned about a similar incident months earlier. (Tucson Citizen, May
31, 2003) Rev. David Valencia allegedly had sex with a 17-year-old girl he
was counseling
Fort Pierce, FL. Pastor Kenneth Johnson, recently convicted of having sex
with a minor, and Friendship Missionary Baptist Church -- where he
reportedly continues to minister -- were named in a sex-abuse lawsuit
filed Tuesday. Johnson, 39, is scheduled to be sentenced Friday on one
count of unlawful sexual activity with a minor. He faces up to 15 years on
the second-degree felony. (The Tribune, January 22, 2003) .
Johnson to be sentenced Friday on 1 count of unlawful sexual activity with
minor
Athens, GA. Ralph Tulk, 63, was arrested Tuesday and charged with five
counts of child molestation for allegedly inappropriately touching five
children at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church over several years. He was
superintendent of the Sunday school program when some of the alleged
molestations took place and was treasurer of the church until last month,
according to police and the church. Dickerson and many other residents of
this Northeast Georgia city -- most of whom were willing to share their
thoughts about the case but not be quoted -- said they worry about the
church, but aren't yet convinced of the allegations. "This is America, and
you are innocent until proven guilty," Dickerson said. (MSNBC.com, Jan.
11, 2003) Town reacts to molestation charges
Bryan, TX. A pastor was arrested and released from jail Monday night after
he was charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child. Ford was
indicted earlier this month based on an allegation he had sexually
assaulted a teenage boy who went on a trip with the pastor to the Texas
Panhandle more than two years ago. Ford was pastor from the New Zion
Missionary Baptist Church in Bryan where he had served for 17 years.
(Bryan-College Station Eagle, Dec. 24, 2002)
pastor accused of assaulting Bryan boy arrested
Idaho Falls, ID. An area pastor is charged with inappropriately touching a
teenage boy. Idaho Falls police charged a long-time religious leader with
five counts of lewd conduct with a minor. 46-year-old Steven Michael
Sheridan, the former pastor of St. Paul's United Methodist Church has been
arrested-- this after police recorded two recent phone conversations
between the victim and Sheridan. Sheridan was the pastor of St. Paul's
United Methodist Church five years ago when the alleged crimes occurred.
Since then, he's been pastor of another church. The victim who was 13 at
the time, and is now 18, said Sheridan was like a mentor. They took trips
together, and during those trips, Sheridan touched him sexually. One time,
the pastor allegedly touched the boys genitals saying he was checking for
cancer. (KPVI, Dec. 6, 2002)
AREA PASTOR CHARGED WITH INAPPROPRIATELY TOUCHING A TEENAGE BOY
Former Pastor Sex Abuse Case Moves Forward
Denver, CO. Denver police arrested a 26-year-old youth minister with St.
John's Church of God in Christ after a 15-year-old member accused him of
sexual assault.(November 15, 2002, Rocky Moutain News)
Youth Paster arrested
News Report
LINCOLN, NE. Three lawsuits have been filed against a Lutheran church
school for alleged sexual abuse by former officials, including a minister
who served as principal. The lawsuits against St. John Lutheran Church in
Seward seek millions of dollars for the alleged abuse. The Lincoln Journal
Star reported in Saturday's editions that two lawsuits were filed in
Lancaster County District Court on Friday by unnamed plaintiffs who
alleged they were abused by longtime principal David Mannigel. Mannigel, a
Lutheran minister, apparently killed himself last year. (ABC News,
November 2, 2002) Lutheran Church sued over abuse by Pastor Mannigel
LINCOLN, NE? Three lawsuits have been filed against a Lutheran church
school for alleged sexual abuse by former officials, including a minister
who served as principal. The lawsuits against St. John Lutheran Church in
Seward seek millions of dollars for the alleged abuse. The other lawsuit
was filed in U.S. District Court in Lincoln on Wednesday by T. Mark Kraft,
a Colorado man, for claims of abuse by retired teacher Arlen Meyer. That
lawsuit seeks $1 million. (ABC News, November 2, 2002)
Lutheran Church sued over abuse by Pastor Meyer
Austin, TX. A former youth minister faces up to 20 years in prison after
he was convicted of nine counts of child sexual abuse. Charles Richard
Willits, Jr., 44, a former youth minister at Great Hills Baptist Church,
was convicted Saturday. Sentencing was scheduled for Monday. (October 18,
2002; Abilene Reporter-News)
Youth Paster Convicted in Criminal Court
Lake Wales, FL. The pastor at the Church of the Nazarene has been charged
with sexually assaulting a male 17-year-old youth leader three times in
2001. The Rev. Gene Francis, 52, of Lake Wales, was arrested Tuesday and
charged with unlawful sexual activity with a minor. (Sarasota
Herald-Tribune, June 4, 2003) Lake Wales minister arrested in sexual
assault case
Tuscon, AZ. The Rev. David Valencia, 47, assistant pastor of a Pentecostal
church is expected in court Wednesday on rape charges issued by
Pennsylvania authorities. In Pennsylvania, Valencia was an assistant
pastor at Christ Church at Grove Farm, an interdenominational church that
uses Anglican liturgy. The pastor of Christ Church, the Rev. John Guest,
told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that Valencia was dismissed in late 2001
because he was found to have pornography on an office computer after he
was warned about a similar incident months earlier. (Tucson Citizen, May
31, 2003) Rev. David Valencia allegedly had sex with a 17-year-old girl he
was counseling
Dayton, OH. A Trotwood minister, whose lawyer said he has been a "sex
addict" since age 10, sought treatment rather than face trial in a
Brookville police- run
Internet sting that presented a virtual 14-year-old boy in a chat room.
But a Montgomery County judge denied his plea for treatment Tuesday.
Turner's attorney, Dwight Brannon, wrote "He had his first sexual
experience with another
male at the age of 19 while in college. Shortly after he began surfing the
Web
his addiction slowly began to grow." Turner had been pastor of Anchor
Community Church, 38 S. Fairgreen Drive, for seven years when he was
arrested last summer. (Dayton Daily News, 01.29.2003)
Minister arrested in police-run Internet sting.
Riviera Beach, FL. A prominent minister, his church and deacon have
reached a $600,000 settlement with a mentally disabled man who accused the
minister of rape. The Rev. Thomas Masters, pastor of the New Macedonia
Church of Riviera Beach, and Church Mutual, insurer for the church,
negotiated the settlement with
the man, according to his attorneys and court papers filed Monday. The
man, who has the mental capacity of a 7-year-old, attended New Macedonia
and accused Masters of coercing him to smoke crack cocaine and then raping
him twice on church property over Thanksgiving weekend in 1991. (The Palm
Beach Post, January
14, 2003)
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I hate to break the news to you, but Christianity and Islam worship the same
God.
And your accusation of Pedophilia may be innacurate, since that term applies
to those with a sexual preference for prepubescent children. None of those
cases listed would seem to be examples of pedophilia.
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cornholio
> "fasgnadh" <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
Um, only according to muslimes. Because I have yet to meet a SINGLE
Christian who worships allah.
Yeshua and his disciples certainly had nothing to do w/pislam, because
muhamMAD had yet to shag his first little girl.
> And your accusation of Pedophilia may be innacurate, since that term applies
> to those with a sexual preference for prepubescent children. None of those
> cases listed would seem to be examples of pedophilia.
>
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Not by that name, of course. But they both worship the God of Abraham, the
same as Judaism.
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duke
wrote:
>I hate to break the news to you, but Christianity and Islam worship the same
>God.
>And your accusation of Pedophilia may be innacurate, since that term applies
>to those with a sexual preference for prepubescent children. None of those
>cases listed would seem to be examples of pedophilia.
Don't ruin it for him. Let him live in his swill. He doesn't know any better.
The Dukester, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Only according to muzzies, islamotard. Because I have yet to meet a
single
Christian or Jew who worships allah.
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Thank you for the intellectual discussion, friend.
Seon Ferguson
that Jesus never existed whoever started this thread is a troll and a
hypocrite because Muhammad was a pedophile. Islam is a evil cult. And this
proves it.
Seon Ferguson
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And Bahais...
cornholio
I'll have to take your word for it, because you know far more about
their religion than I ever will.
Seon Ferguson
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bahai_Faith is a good start. If I have to
join a religion it will be the bahai Faith or Buddhism. Both religions have
never done anything to hurt anyone and are tolerant (although not of
homosexuals but oh well it's like that with all religions)
Seon Ferguson
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Actually maybe not the Bahai faith because of the NSA but maybe the orthodox
Bahai faith or one not controlled by the national spiritual assembly.
duke
>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the fact
>that Jesus never existed
Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:36:07 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the fact
>>that Jesus never existed
>
> Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
>
And the historical evidence that your god man existed is?...
duke
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:jssrj5t6ce20assfb...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:36:07 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the fact
>>>that Jesus never existed
>>
>> Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
>>
>And the historical evidence that your god man existed is?...
People that walked and talked and ate and drank with him and left records. You
know, like Caesar or Napolean or Columbus, etc.
Then again, maybe you believe history stops when the last eye witness dies.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:53:33 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:jssrj5t6ce20assfb...@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:36:07 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the
>>>>fact
>>>>that Jesus never existed
>>>
>>> Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
>>>
>>And the historical evidence that your god man existed is?...
>
> People that walked and talked and ate and drank with him and left records.
> You
> know, like Caesar or Napolean or Columbus, etc.
>
> Then again, maybe you believe history stops when the last eye witness
> dies.
>
What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records? And If
you say the gospel of Mark I'm going to want evidence that Peter told Mark
the gospel. From a non Christian source.
cornholio
Surely SOMEONE named "Jesus" existed in Israel/Judea around the zero
BCE, because Yeshua was and IS a common Hebrew name, even today.
As to whether or not the "Christian" Yeshua existed I believe there
are
at least two ancient historians who have passages that refer to
Yeshua,
Herodotus being one of them.
duke
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:53:33 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jssrj5t6ce20assfb...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:36:07 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the
>>>>>fact
>>>>>that Jesus never existed
>>>>
>>>> Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
>>>>
>>>And the historical evidence that your god man existed is?...
>>
>> People that walked and talked and ate and drank with him and left records.
>> You
>> know, like Caesar or Napolean or Columbus, etc.
>>
>> Then again, maybe you believe history stops when the last eye witness
>> dies.
>>
>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own experiences
with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing beliefs.
And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a fake.
bam
>
>
> "duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3h2vj5tfi0kh7efnk...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:53:33 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:jssrj5t6ce20assfb...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:36:07 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>That is the most fucked up thing I have ever heard. Setting aside the
>>>>>fact
>>>>>that Jesus never existed
>>>>
>>>> Of course he did. Jesus is a historical figure.
>>>>
>>>And the historical evidence that your god man existed is?...
>>
>> People that walked and talked and ate and drank with him and left
>> records. You
>> know, like Caesar or Napolean or Columbus, etc.
>>
>> Then again, maybe you believe history stops when the last eye witness
>> dies.
>>
> What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records? And If
> you say the gospel of Mark I'm going to want evidence that Peter told Mark
> the gospel. From a non Christian source.
What a ridiculous question. As if it would have made any difference with
you. As if you're merely a disinterested examiner of evidence. I hope you
don't believe you are. Because if you do, you don't know yourself.
BAM
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus. Where is the evidence that
Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew? I'll check out the 80 AD early church
father today and see if he wrote anything because that is around the time
the gospel was written right?
> And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
>
> http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
>
> Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a fake.
>
And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus. But it shows that
as early as 80 AD people believed in Christianity so that meant there was
only 50 years for the myth to develop, 40 if you count Pauls letters.
Seon Ferguson
"bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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It would have. If there was evidence that Peter told Mark the gospel of Mark
I would believe it. I might not believe the later gospels, just the parts
that coincide with Mark.
> BAM
>
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good point so obviously there was a Jesus. Also the Talamud does talk about
a historical Jesus but he lived in 100 BC. But I don't believe God came down
to Earth 2000 years ago and died for our sins. THAT Jesus wasn't real.
Petzl
wrote:
>And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus. But it shows that
>as early as 80 AD people believed in Christianity so that meant there was
>only 50 years for the myth to develop, 40 if you count Pauls letters.
Moslems conquest of Constantinople and destruction of it's libraries
means much evidence was lost
Petzl
__
As *everyone knows* Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
bam
You're a tough customer. How 'bout this one? "Rome has spoken; the case is
closed."
BAM
Seon Ferguson
"bam" <blahbl...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Well I'm a skeptic I have to be. But I want to be convinced, why do you
think I keep asking Duke and other people for evidence? And that case closed
stuff might work for you but not me.
> BAM
>
cornholio
> "cornholio" <andxor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
This is the Yeshua, that Josephus (NOT Herodotus) was referring to.
I was wrong Herodotus never referred to the historical, Christian
Yeshua.
Seon Ferguson
"cornholio" <andx...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yep he's the guy Christians quote but scholars have questioned the text of
what he said. Plus why didn't anyone use the paragraph Josephus wrote until
the 4th century? Very strange if you ask me.
duke
>>>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
>> Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own
>> experiences with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing beliefs.
>Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus.
But he knew a lot of people that did, and he recorded his beliefs + what
everybody else was saying.
> Where is the evidence that Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew?
Doesn't matter. He real name could have been Harry.
>I'll check out the 80 AD early church
>father today and see if he wrote anything because that is around the time
>the gospel was written right?
Intro to Matthew in my bible:
Scholars agree that the author of the canonical Gospel is either Gentile
Christian or a Greek speaking Diaspora Jewish Christian. His gospel is dated
AD80-90. He shows that he is not familiar with Jewish matters. All this makes
it improbable that the author can be id'ed with the Matthew-Levi mentioned in
the first 3 gospels.
>> And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
>> http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
>> Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a fake.
>And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus.
Peter, Paul and John did. And the Christian faith was growing rapidly. The
writings reflect the knowledge and teachings of the Christian people in the time
period. But you won't comprehend that.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:17:51 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
>>> Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own
>>> experiences with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing
>>> beliefs.
>
>>Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus.
>
> But he knew a lot of people that did, and he recorded his beliefs + what
> everybody else was saying.
>
>> Where is the evidence that Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew?
>
> Doesn't matter. He real name could have been Harry.
>
It does to me. I want to be sure the gospels are reliable.
>>I'll check out the 80 AD early church
>>father today and see if he wrote anything because that is around the time
>>the gospel was written right?
>
> Intro to Matthew in my bible:
> Scholars agree that the author of the canonical Gospel is either Gentile
> Christian or a Greek speaking Diaspora Jewish Christian. His gospel is
> dated
> AD80-90. He shows that he is not familiar with Jewish matters. All this
> makes
> it improbable that the author can be id'ed with the Matthew-Levi mentioned
> in
> the first 3 gospels.
>
That's odd since the book is the new testament history states:
Irenaeus c.170 wrote: Matthew also issued a written gospel among the Hebrews
on their own dialect
Papis c.130: Matthew complied the oracles in the Hebrew language: but
everyone interpreted them as he was able
>>> And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
>>> http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
>>> Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a fake.
>
>>And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus.
>
> Peter, Paul and John did. And the Christian faith was growing rapidly.
> The
> writings reflect the knowledge and teachings of the Christian people in
> the time
> period. But you won't comprehend that.
>
>
The Muslim faith grew rapidly, does that mean Islam is true? myths spread.
Especially one's as powerful as Christianity. Peter possibly told Mark the
gospel of Mark but as I said John would have died of old age by 90 AD and
Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from as
early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:17:51 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
>>>> Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own
>>>> experiences with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing
>>>> beliefs.
>>
>>>Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus.
>>
>> But he knew a lot of people that did, and he recorded his beliefs + what
>> everybody else was saying.
>>
>>> Where is the evidence that Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew?
>>
>> Doesn't matter. He real name could have been Harry.
>>
>It does to me. I want to be sure the gospels are reliable.
They are a message of love - God's love and his direction to us to love others
as he does. What more do you want?
>>>I'll check out the 80 AD early church
>>>father today and see if he wrote anything because that is around the time
>>>the gospel was written right?
>>
>> Intro to Matthew in my bible:
>> Scholars agree that the author of the canonical Gospel is either Gentile
>> Christian or a Greek speaking Diaspora Jewish Christian. His gospel is
>> dated
>> AD80-90. He shows that he is not familiar with Jewish matters. All this
>> makes
>> it improbable that the author can be id'ed with the Matthew-Levi mentioned
>> in
>> the first 3 gospels.
>>
>That's odd since the book is the new testament history states:
>Irenaeus c.170 wrote: Matthew also issued a written gospel among the Hebrews
>on their own dialect
And that means what?
>Papis c.130: Matthew complied the oracles in the Hebrew language: but
>everyone interpreted them as he was able
And that means what?
>>>> And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
>>>> http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
>>>> Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a fake.
>>
>>>And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus.
>> Peter, Paul and John did. And the Christian faith was growing rapidly.
>> The writings reflect the knowledge and teachings of the Christian people in
>> the time period. But you won't comprehend that.
>The Muslim faith grew rapidly, does that mean Islam is true?
Allah is the same God as Jehovah/almighty God. The believe in the Virgin Mary,
and Jesus as prophet. Radical Islam is the problem, not Islam.
>Especially one's as powerful as Christianity. Peter possibly told Mark the
>gospel of Mark but as I said John would have died of old age by 90 AD and
>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from as
>early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it reflects.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:09:40 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:17:51 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
>>>>> Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own
>>>>> experiences with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing
>>>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>>>Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus.
>>>
>>> But he knew a lot of people that did, and he recorded his beliefs + what
>>> everybody else was saying.
>>>
>>>> Where is the evidence that Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew?
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter. He real name could have been Harry.
>>>
>>It does to me. I want to be sure the gospels are reliable.
>
> They are a message of love - God's love and his direction to us to love
> others
> as he does. What more do you want?
>
Evidence.
>>>>I'll check out the 80 AD early church
>>>>father today and see if he wrote anything because that is around the
>>>>time
>>>>the gospel was written right?
>>>
>>> Intro to Matthew in my bible:
>>> Scholars agree that the author of the canonical Gospel is either Gentile
>>> Christian or a Greek speaking Diaspora Jewish Christian. His gospel is
>>> dated
>>> AD80-90. He shows that he is not familiar with Jewish matters. All
>>> this
>>> makes
>>> it improbable that the author can be id'ed with the Matthew-Levi
>>> mentioned
>>> in
>>> the first 3 gospels.
>>>
>>That's odd since the book is the new testament history states:
>
>>Irenaeus c.170 wrote: Matthew also issued a written gospel among the
>>Hebrews
>>on their own dialect
>
> And that means what?
>
>>Papis c.130: Matthew complied the oracles in the Hebrew language: but
>>everyone interpreted them as he was able
>
> And that means what?
>
That people believe Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew. If they were just
written by anonymous writers that makes them even less credible.
>>>>> And then you have the writing of the early Church Fathers:
>>>>> http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
>>>>> Just think how quick all this would have died out if it was just a
>>>>> fake.
>>>
>>>>And they all lived after 80 AD. None of them knew Jesus.
>
>>> Peter, Paul and John did. And the Christian faith was growing rapidly.
>>> The writings reflect the knowledge and teachings of the Christian people
>>> in
>>> the time period. But you won't comprehend that.
>
>>The Muslim faith grew rapidly, does that mean Islam is true?
>
> Allah is the same God as Jehovah/almighty God. The believe in the Virgin
> Mary,
> and Jesus as prophet. Radical Islam is the problem, not Islam.
>
I never said it was the problem but my point is just because something
spread doesn't mean it's true. But I do agree with you on Islam. There is
some truth in Islam (not radical Islam of course) plus Islam says God
created the universe just like Christianity. I think any religion that says
that has some truth in it...which is why I think there is some truth in
Christianity.
>>Especially one's as powerful as Christianity. Peter possibly told Mark the
>>gospel of Mark but as I said John would have died of old age by 90 AD and
>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from as
>>early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>
> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it reflects.
>
What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
duke
>
>
>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:f827k5djtuk199jaa...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:09:40 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:9dj4k51uhl5mqidtt...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 10:17:51 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>What records? Did anyone who actually knew Jesus leave any records?
>>>>>> Peter, Paul and John did. Matthew, Mark and Luke wrote of their own
>>>>>> experiences with the new Christian people and their rapidly developing
>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>
>>>>>Luke was a historian who didn't even know Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> But he knew a lot of people that did, and he recorded his beliefs + what
>>>> everybody else was saying.
>>>>
>>>>> Where is the evidence that Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew?
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter. He real name could have been Harry.
>>>>
>>>It does to me. I want to be sure the gospels are reliable.
>>
>> They are a message of love - God's love and his direction to us to love
>> others
>> as he does. What more do you want?
>Evidence.
You have the same thing as everybody else.
>That people believe Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew. If they were just
>written by anonymous writers that makes them even less credible.
Who is Matthew?
>> Allah is the same God as Jehovah/almighty God. The believe in the Virgin
>> Mary, and Jesus as prophet. Radical Islam is the problem, not Islam.
>I never said it was the problem but my point is just because something
>spread doesn't mean it's true. But I do agree with you on Islam. There is
>some truth in Islam (not radical Islam of course) plus Islam says God
>created the universe just like Christianity. I think any religion that says
>that has some truth in it...which is why I think there is some truth in
>Christianity.
Yeah, a whole lot.
>>>Especially one's as powerful as Christianity. Peter possibly told Mark the
>>>gospel of Mark but as I said John would have died of old age by 90 AD and
>>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from as
>>>early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it reflects.
>What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
>past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
Exactly my point.
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Well I guess I'm still skeptical.
>>That people believe Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew. If they were just
>>written by anonymous writers that makes them even less credible.
>
> Who is Matthew?
>
St Matthew...wasn't he a disciple?
>>> Allah is the same God as Jehovah/almighty God. The believe in the
>>> Virgin
>>> Mary, and Jesus as prophet. Radical Islam is the problem, not Islam.
>
>>I never said it was the problem but my point is just because something
>>spread doesn't mean it's true. But I do agree with you on Islam. There is
>>some truth in Islam (not radical Islam of course) plus Islam says God
>>created the universe just like Christianity. I think any religion that
>>says
>>that has some truth in it...which is why I think there is some truth in
>>Christianity.
>
> Yeah, a whole lot.
>
I don't know yet but I will say it has truth to it.
>>>>Especially one's as powerful as Christianity. Peter possibly told Mark
>>>>the
>>>>gospel of Mark but as I said John would have died of old age by 90 AD
>>>>and
>>>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from
>>>>as
>>>>early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>
>>> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it
>>> reflects.
>
>>What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
>>past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
>
> Exactly my point.
>
But they were fiction, yet they are based on historical events and real
places.
duke
>> You have the same thing as everybody else.
>Well I guess I'm still skeptical.
Be careful crossing a street.
>>>That people believe Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew. If they were just
>>>written by anonymous writers that makes them even less credible.
>> Who is Matthew?
>St Matthew...wasn't he a disciple?
Disciples are people that follow Christ. Matthew didn't know Jesus personally.
But he well recorded what other people said that Jesus said. So did Mark and
Luke. Only Peter, Paul and John knew Jesus personally.
>>>>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>>>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from
>>>>>as early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>>>> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it
>>>> reflects.
>>>What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
>>>past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
>> Exactly my point.
>But they were fiction, yet they are based on historical events and real
>places.
That's where the Church certification comes in with canon scripture. .
Seon Ferguson
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:49:04 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> You have the same thing as everybody else.
>>Well I guess I'm still skeptical.
>
> Be careful crossing a street.
>
>>>>That people believe Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew. If they were
>>>>just
>>>>written by anonymous writers that makes them even less credible.
>>> Who is Matthew?
>>St Matthew...wasn't he a disciple?
>
> Disciples are people that follow Christ. Matthew didn't know Jesus
> personally.
> But he well recorded what other people said that Jesus said. So did Mark
> and
> Luke. Only Peter, Paul and John knew Jesus personally.
>
Wow now I'm even more skeptical, thanks. I guess the NT just records what
Christians believed about Jesus during the 1st century (70 AD-90 AD)
>>>>>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>>>>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from
>>>>>>as early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>
>>>>> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it
>>>>> reflects.
>>>>What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
>>>>past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
>>> Exactly my point.
>>But they were fiction, yet they are based on historical events and real
>>places.
>
> That's where the Church certification comes in with canon scripture. .
>
>
Anyone can make up a certificate for a book or something and claim it's
true. But that won't make it true.
duke
>> Disciples are people that follow Christ. Matthew didn't know Jesus
>> personally.
>> But he well recorded what other people said that Jesus said. So did Mark
>> and
>> Luke. Only Peter, Paul and John knew Jesus personally.
>Wow now I'm even more skeptical, thanks. I guess the NT just records what
>Christians believed about Jesus during the 1st century (70 AD-90 AD)
They believed basis what he told them. He was highly followed during his
ministry. You know, sermon on the mount, etc.
>>>>>>>Paul just saw the Resurrected Christ. But his letters are historically
>>>>>>>important as they show us Christians believed in the Resurrection from
>>>>>>>as early as 70 AD (wasn't that when they were written?)
>>
>>>>>> The date associated of any writing is based on the knowledge it
>>>>>> reflects.
>>>>>What about stories set in the past like MASH? They have knowledge of the
>>>>>past. Does that mean MASH was written during the time of the Korean war?
>>>> Exactly my point.
>>>But they were fiction, yet they are based on historical events and real
>>>places.
>>
>> That's where the Church certification comes in with canon scripture. .
>Anyone can make up a certificate for a book or something and claim it's
>true. But that won't make it true.
You better move to a cave. You might get hit on the head by a toilet seat from
a Russian satellite.