Spells and Rituals (What is what?)
ren
word 'spell', 'charm', and 'ritual' is often used synonymously.
However, when you need words to describe metaphysics, these must be
further defined. So I will define them according to my own
understanding. You define them according to yours.
Ritual
A ritual is a long theatrical procedure for producing a spell.
Sympathetic components such as candles, threads, dolls, books, long
mantras or arcane passages are used. Astrological timing can be used
here to strengthen the ritual.
Spell
A spell is a tight little packaged result of your ritual to be
executed immediately (when you need it) upon saying the "magick"
words, doing a little dance, or displaying a "charm".
Charm
A charm can be one of two things. A charm can be a spell that attracts
and controls a person, or a charm can be a physical object that
contains a spell.
Here is an example.
Ritual
Josephina lights a red candle and says "As this candle burns so does
someone special's love for me! So mote it be!"
Spell
Josephina holds a golden heart charm before the candle and says "AMOR
INITIUM".
Josephina goes to the school dance and holds out her golden heart
charm before a group of promising young men and recites out loud "AMOR
INITIUM".
That's it. It is that simple. However, try doing the same ritual
within a lucid dream. You will learn to stop doubting your magickal
ability as results become dynamic.
I do it all the time. Before I post something to BBDD or Sid I point
my magick mouse at them and say "CONFUNDO TELEMUNDO!"
BBDD
This is NOT metaphysics, stupid. It is superstition. Using a spell or
ritual, not comprehending why it might work is, by definition,
superstition. Metaphysics, on the other hand, is a system of
describing those things unseen as they apply to creation. This would
be a cosmology, (like Theosophy, for example) but not something as
mundane as a spell. The cosmology might imply how the spell has some
effect, but the spell is not metaphysics.
aine
What part of many of us do not work that way or alt.religion.wicca do
you not get BBDD?
You are preaching Christ is a Savior to Jewish people in comparison.
Rethink who is stupid.
Have you been chased out by those of your own kind? Is your own group
so low in attendance you need to stalk and troll those who are not
even like you or want to be like you?
Take a hint. You are not wanted. Only sorry little desperate for love
people stay where they are so not wanted. Are you that desperate?
BBDD
>
> - Show quoted text -
You, aine, suggest Wicca approves of lurid DEVIANT sexual content for
children. You are not Wicca. You are just a pervert using Wicca as a
shield. This is a OPEN PUBLIC GROUP. It does not belong to you or
anyone else here.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
ren wrote:
> You've heard the phrase, "I've got you under my spell." In truth, the
> word 'spell', 'charm', and 'ritual' is often used synonymously.
> However, when you need words to describe metaphysics, these must be
> further defined. So I will define them according to my own
> understanding. You define them according to yours.
> Ritual
> A ritual is a long theatrical procedure for producing a spell.
> Sympathetic components such as candles, threads, dolls, books, long
> mantras or arcane passages are used. Astrological timing can be used
> here to strengthen the ritual.
What a Ritual means to me:
Something that we take the time to participate in.
Can be something as simple as "outer work" which is sweeping your house
up or doing the dishes before doing your "inner work", or fasting, or
taking a shower, making your alter (initially, or to keep it clean or
relevant), praying to the Gods, blessing your water in preparation for
your other rituals that will follow, etc.
Also includes rituals such as LBRP, also includes inner work and meditation.
Can come in compact methods as well: for instance if you are used to
doing a spell to "keep away ghosts or others, or to create a sacred
space", you can shorten this down into a command or hand movement or
thought or anything else that works to you, and this releases the entire
ritual/spell.
> Spell
> A spell is a tight little packaged result of your ritual to be
> executed immediately (when you need it) upon saying the "magick"
> words, doing a little dance, or displaying a "charm".
Since most of my rituals are not in my mind "spell" type rituals, I
don't use the word spell.
However, I can understand or think of a spell as a set of commands or
movements etc used to actively do something, get something etc. For
instance, a spell to find a job (may include elementals help etc), an
auto healing, or an auto protection?
A candle ritual? I am wondering how this fits into ren's description of
compactness...
For example:
If the candle spell ritual to have good health or to get a job etc has a
set pattern of actions, would the spell itself then be just the act of
lighting the candle and expecting that the entire ritual is performed
based on previous experiences and practices or keywords or movements?
If so, then I would state that a spell is "active thought or motion or
command, etc" of creating the spell, therefore no need to even do
anything as you have already started the spell with your thought. As
opposed to "not actively" creating a spell from thought, because you
were passive in command or thought.
Example:
I used to light candles based on colour and emotion and what I felt
represented what I was seeking. If I have experience in lighting candles
that to me represent an attraction of healing, blessings, love,
alignment with my will, etc, then I would think by ren's definition that
either lighting a represented candle without doing the rest of the
ritual, or just thinking about lighting the candle, would set the
"spell" or ritual in motion. You might want to perform such a spell if
you suddenly thought that “this is something I want”, or had a sudden
need for and didn't have the materials or time to continue the entire
ritual.
However, it is also nice to have start/end commands or movements to
signify that I actually actively am doing something, rather than
passively thinking about doing something that I don't actually want done.
> Charm
> A charm can be one of two things. A charm can be a spell that attracts
> and controls a person, or a charm can be a physical object that
> contains a spell.
Would incense be a charm?
A pentacle?
If I am meditating on acceptance for myself and others, is that a charm
that causes attraction? (I wouldn't have thought so).
ren
>Would incense be a charm?
>A pentacle?
Incense is a ritual component. Charms must be mobile and can't fall
apart.
However, if you put incense in a bag and wear it around your neck,
that Gris-Gris bag would be a charm.
Sidney Lambe
And knowing the above will accomplish absolutely nothing. Incense
won't help you do magick and charms won't help you do magick.
Magick is inner/psychic and there isn't any material thing that
will help you with it. If you _believe_ such things work (a
belief is a spell) then they will seem to, but it's the spell,
the idea and emotions and imagination and intent and desire for
and about the results that actually directs your multidimensional
creative powers to manifest something.
You can also believe that God or a god or daemon, etc., is
responsible. Or that you've pressed the buttons on an inivisible
magic machine by using those things in a ritual.
But magick works best if you approach it directly.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/24118a7b70e68d84
Sid
--
My newsfilter kills more than half the posts to these groups,
including replies to any name in my killfile. So if I don't
respond to a reply it is because I didn't see it.
Thou shalt not suffer a troll to speak in thine presence.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
As spell:
I take incense further than just a ritual component. Each incense (resin
or plant/flower or tree) is its own spell/reason for use. Each use is
its own spell.
As far as not falling apart, you always have the spirit of the component
/natural item. You don't have to have it in your pocket. You have the
fragrance in your mind, the smoke in your lungs and around you, and
whatever that product does for you in practice to know how it feels like
in reality so you have it in your mind for imagination when you have
need of it.
For instance: rose: instant love and connection to the universe, and
acceptance and release of judgement. Heart (planetary love/earthly love
and acceptance) and crown chakra (universal love and acceptance), Feet
(connection to your Earth and manifestation from the Crown, through the
Heart to the universe and through the feet into your life).
As soon as you smell it, you are connected, the entire ritual of your
chakras and letting go and becoming connected and manifesting this into
your life happens instantly.
As a charm:
If I touch some ingredients that I am used to, I am automatically
changed. Therefore, the ingrediant acts as a charm.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
> ren <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:57:35 -0800, hy_b...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Would incense be a charm?
>>> A pentacle?
>> Incense is a ritual component. Charms must be mobile and can't fall
>> apart.
>>
>> However, if you put incense in a bag and wear it around your neck,
>> that Gris-Gris bag would be a charm.
>>
>
> And knowing the above will accomplish absolutely nothing. Incense
> won't help you do magick and charms won't help you do magick.
>
> Magick is inner/psychic and there isn't any material thing that
> will help you with it. If you _believe_ such things work (a
> belief is a spell) then they will seem to, but it's the spell,
> the idea and emotions and imagination and intent and desire for
> and about the results that actually directs your multidimensional
> creative powers to manifest something.
>
> You can also believe that God or a god or daemon, etc., is
> responsible. Or that you've pressed the buttons on an inivisible
> magic machine by using those things in a ritual.
>
> But magick works best if you approach it directly.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/24118a7b70e68d84
>
>
> Sid
>
You speak such untruths, that you obviously do not know or understand
how inner work, works.
Incense can open you up to the Universe and change your inner/outer life
immediately.
*By incense I really do mean the actual pure ingredient, resin or
flower/leaf/bark etc.
Sidney Lambe
Wrong. The airy-fairy-new-age-fantasy-fiction-theatrical-woo-woo
you and ren and aine (and to many other ignorant dabblers) spew
on this and other groups and forums are untruths.
It just doesn't work very well, if at all. And it doesn't work
for the reasons you think it does.
>
> Incense can open you up to the Universe and change your inner/outer life
> immediately.
If it has the right drugs in it it can provide the illusion of
accomplishing that.
>
> *By incense I really do mean the actual pure ingredient, resin or
> flower/leaf/bark etc.
Sure. You are talking about drugs, basically.
And drugs, like the theatre you call magickal rituals can indeed
change your subjective state.
As can a movie or television show or novel or a stage play.
But that isn't magick, it's just entertainment. The illusion
of magick. You have some neat emotional and imaginative
experiences and it's over and done. Nothing else happens.
You don't grow and what you were casting for, if anything,
doesn't happen.
Look at what it's got poor ren. He looks like a complete fool.
Over and over again he's threatened to kill me with the nonsense
he and you call magick.
And he can't even make me go away.
I am acquainted with quite a few very dedicated ceremonial
magicians who can put on a show like you wouldn't believe
with their pentangles and robes and incense and candles
and poetry and dance steps, etc.
And all of them have pathetic lives that are inadequate
and unhappy in very fundamental ways. Their prosperity
spells never bring them prosperity and their enemies
are never slain and they sleep alone most of the time.
But man oh man can do they sound wonderful on web forums
and the usenet.
Like you and ren.
Your magick doesn't work either.
But man oh man can you talk up a storm.
Magick -- A Primer
hy_b...@shaw.ca
Are you able to make any connection through your inner work?
Can you maintain this connection long enough to not act like a grade 3
bully when you come to arw?
From what you are posting, it seems like you do not do the work. It
seems like all you know comes from what you have read and that you have
no inner insight.
> And drugs, like the theatre you call magickal rituals can indeed
> change your subjective state.
The air you breathe is a drug. The fruit and vegetables and cereal you
eat are all drugs.
> As can a movie or television show or novel or a stage play.
>
> But that isn't magick, it's just entertainment. The illusion
> of magick. You have some neat emotional and imaginative
> experiences and it's over and done. Nothing else happens.
> You don't grow and what you were casting for, if anything,
> doesn't happen.
You obviously have nothing going on, no connection, and no inner work
that has produced any sort of great work in you.
Your meditation has failed you.
Your life is an illusion.
> Look at what it's got poor ren. He looks like a complete fool.
> Over and over again he's threatened to kill me with the nonsense
> he and you call magick.
>
> And he can't even make me go away.
Oh, but I can make you go away. It is very easy to plonk you into the
toilet where you belong.
aine
>
> Wrong. The airy-fairy-new-age-fantasy-fiction-theatrical-woo-woo
> you and ren and aine (and to many other ignorant dabblers) spew
> on this and other groups and forums are untruths.<
I don't work with incense and things. I do not have to. I say..Sid is
my puppet. Make him post girly fluffy words and alot of -.
Done.
aine
I hear he likes it rough, hy. Throw him astrally into a wall and say
Do Me!
NOW DADDY SID!
hy_b...@shaw.ca
Well, I can throw him into the wall for you, but that's about as far as
I am taking it. It sucks to be be low enough to throw him. I am up with
the Angels Aine :P
ren
> Incense can open you up to the Universe and change your inner/outer life
> immediately.
>
> *By incense I really do mean the actual pure ingredient, resin or
> flower/leaf/bark etc.
Well spoken. Incense and herbs aren't my thing to study and teach. I
understand enough about them to use them in ritual.
ren
"slaying his imaginary dragons".
Furthermore, he is under a "spell" and doesn't even know it.
ren
> I don't work with incense and things. I do not have to. I say..Sid is
> my puppet. Make him post girly fluffy words and alot of -.
>
> Done.
Make him wear a dress!
Sidney Lambe
Are you?
What's "inner" about putting incense in a bag and wearing it
around your neck?
(see the beginning of this post above)
>
> Can you maintain this connection long enough to not act like a grade 3
> bully when you come to arw?
Yes, yes. Anyone who disagrees with you or ren is a troll and a bully.
We know that you think that way. That your beliefs are so fragile
and superficial that you can't even bear to examine them.
>
> From what you are posting, it seems like you do not do the
> work. It seems like all you know comes from what you have read
> and that you have no inner insight.
You are looking in a mirror.
>
>
>
>> And drugs, like the theatre you call magickal rituals can indeed
>> change your subjective state.
>
> The air you breathe is a drug. The fruit and vegetables and cereal you
> eat are all drugs.
That's a perfect example of your basic problem: Your dishonesty.
You play games with words and deceive yourself. You convince
yourself that what you want to be true is true and torture
reason to make it so in your own mind.
>
>
>
>> As can a movie or television show or novel or a stage play.
>>
>> But that isn't magick, it's just entertainment. The illusion
>> of magick. You have some neat emotional and imaginative
>> experiences and it's over and done. Nothing else happens.
>> You don't grow and what you were casting for, if anything,
>> doesn't happen.
>
> You obviously have nothing going on, no connection, and no inner work
> that has produced any sort of great work in you.
You keep saying that because you want people to believe it because
you are desperate to drive anyone away from this group who refuses
to believe every word you post.
>
> Your meditation has failed you.
>
> Your life is an illusion.
Of course. Because you say so.
Even though the nonsense you call magick doesn't do anything
but make you feel like you are spiritually advanced.
Which is an illusion.
Once again you are looking in a mirror.
>
>
>
>> Look at what it's got poor ren. He looks like a complete fool.
>> Over and over again he's threatened to kill me with the nonsense
>> he and you call magick.
>>
>> And he can't even make me go away.
>
> Oh, but I can make you go away. It is very easy to plonk you into the
> toilet where you belong.
You don't because then you wouldn't be able to attack me like this.
And because you wouldn't see my analyses of the new-age-woo-woo
gibberish you post when you aren't attacking anyone who refuses
to believe that you are some kind of advanced spiritual being.
I don't claim to be particularly advanced. I'm a beginner.
But I'm not afraid of criticism like you are. Your asshole
friend aine is always posting replies to my articles that
I don't see because I have killfiled the nasty bitch.
And ren's sockpuppets and troll buddy with a dozen names
do the same thing.
Doesn't bother me. I offer what I know and people can take
it or leave it.
I don't want to be put on a pedestal and worshipped, which is
what you and ren really want.
And you aren't willing to do the work that would at least
provide some basis such treatment by the public.
You just spin feeble illusions on the internet.
>> I am acquainted with quite a few very dedicated ceremonial
>> magicians who can put on a show like you wouldn't believe
>> with their pentangles and robes and incense and candles
>> and poetry and dance steps, etc.
>>
>> And all of them have pathetic lives that are inadequate
>> and unhappy in very fundamental ways. Their prosperity
>> spells never bring them prosperity and their enemies
>> are never slain and they sleep alone most of the time.
>>
>> But man oh man can do they sound wonderful on web forums
>> and the usenet.
>>
>> Like you and ren.
>>
>> Your magick doesn't work either.
>>
>> But man oh man can you talk up a storm.
Magick -- A Primer
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.wicca/msg/24118a7b70e68d84
Note: The "Snotbubbles" post has been deleted from my newspool without
being read and the alias has been killfiled.
BBDD
Damaeus says Aine is cool. D and A sitting in a tree…the tree wilts.
Okay. Aine is cool in the eyes of someone who would post the
following: “sperm splatters on his daughters butt and back,” posted by
Damaeus. Pervert cool is not cool, fool. This is what he brings to
this group and knowingly before children.
I champion adopting the challenged and creating jobs to improve the
destinies of countless generations to come.
YOU, DAMAEUS, CONFESSED TO JACKING OFF IN THE SHOWER WHILE VISUALIZING
DISFIGURED WOMEN AS MERE OBJECTS! GAME OVER! That is as low as it
goes.
Sidney Lambe
And your rituals accomplish what?
They haven't killed me, which you have been threatening to do
for months.
They can't make me go away.
The same for BBDD.
In fact, they can't do anything but make you feel like you
are Gandalf the Grey and allow you to imagine that you are
an adept.
For anyone who interested in real magick rather than the
blatherings of clowns:
Magick -- A Primer
Sidney Lambe
You just never get tired of posting juvenile bullshit, do you?
Sure is easier than learning magick...
sarchasm
church):
>
> [I] play games with words and deceive [my]self. [I] convince
> [my]self that what [I] want to be true is true and torture
> reason to make it so in [my] own mind.
> [I] keep saying that because [I] want people to believe it because
> [I am] desperate to drive anyone away from this group who refuses
> to believe every word [I] post.
>
> But I'm not afraid of criticism like you are.
>
Sure, "sidney's" killfiles aren't a way to dodge responding to replies which
may be critical of your vague bullshit. "sidney" then goes on to confirm
this hypothesis:
aine
You and BBDD have the same agenda Sid.
How long did the planning stage take?
Very clever saying you did not like BBDD then sleight of hand becoming
his right hand man.
aine
> On Jan 4, 3:55 am, aine <aine_nicne...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 4, 1:39 am, Sidney Lambe <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Wrong. The airy-fairy-new-age-fantasy-fiction-theatrical-woo-woo
> > > you and ren and aine (and to many other ignorant dabblers) spew
> > > on this and other groups and forums are untruths.<
>
> > I don't work with incense and things. I do not have to. I say..Sid is
> > my puppet. Make him post girly fluffy words and alot of -.
>
> > Done.
>
> Damaeus says Aine is cool. D and A sitting in a tree…the tree wilts.
> Okay. Aine is cool in the eyes of someone who would post the
> following:
Wow, you and Sid are so lucky to be in the same class, sit so close
together and pass all these very original notes back and forth to each
other.
Do you throw erasers at the 4th grade teacher too?
aine
> "Sidney Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> confesses (as if arw were a catholic
> church):
>
>
>
> > [I] play games with words and deceive [my]self. [I] convince
> > [my]self that what [I] want to be true is true and torture
> > reason to make it so in [my] own mind.
> > [I] keep saying that because [I] want people to believe it because
> > [I am] desperate to drive anyone away from this group who refuses
> > to believe every word [I] post.
>
> > But I'm not afraid of criticism like you are.
>
> Sure, "sidney's" killfiles aren't a way to dodge responding to replies which
> may be critical of your vague bullshit. "sidney" then goes on to confirm
> this hypothesis:
Exactly but he sure responds to BBDD, doesn't he? Whether he wanted to
or not he has been drafted into BBDD's Army!
sarchasm
> "sarchasm" <sar.ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Sidney Lambe" <nos...@nospam.invalid> confesses (as if arw were a
> catholic
> church):
>
>
> > [I] play games with words and deceive [my]self. [I] convince
> > [my]self that what [I] want to be true is true and torture
> > reason to make it so in [my] own mind.
> > [I] keep saying that because [I] want people to believe it because
> > [I am] desperate to drive anyone away from this group who refuses
> > to believe every word [I] post.
>
> > But I'm not afraid of criticism like you are.
>
> Sure, "sidney's" killfiles aren't a way to dodge responding to replies
> which
> may be critical of your vague bullshit. "sidney" then goes on to confirm
>
>Exactly but he sure responds to BBDD, doesn't he? Whether he wanted to
>or not he has been drafted into BBDD's Army!
>
Who was it now that came into arw to troll ren? Oh, that's right - it was
sidney and b2d2, (rather than the other way around, initially). Of course,
sidney's been a little bitter after his prom-date with b2d2, (no doubt
arguing over who gets to pretend to be on top).
hy_b...@shaw.ca
Sid, I won't interact with you when you are like this. I gave you a day
of your own talk, and that is enough.
Sidney Lambe
>
[delete]
> Sid, I won't interact with you when you are like this.
Poor little plastic witch. I won't accept her
airy-fairy-new-age-fantasy-fiction-woo-woo drivel
and she just can't take it.
Sid
sarchasm
> hy_b...@shaw.ca <hy_b...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Sid, I won't interact with you when you are like this.
>
> Poor little plastic witch. I won't accept her
> airy-fairy-new-age-fantasy-fiction-woo-woo drivel
> and she just can't take it.
>
Which is, of course, nothing at all like hiding behind a killfile filter so
that 'lil sidney lambchops can avoid that which she cannot effectively
respond to.
aine
Geeze Sid, you are starting to post like Lilly.
Damaeus
ren <ren...@hotmail.com> posted:
> You've heard the phrase, "I've got you under my spell." In truth, the
> word 'spell', 'charm', and 'ritual' is often used synonymously.
That's why I rarely ever argue over the use of terms. I read for context
and feeling, getting the jibe of what the person is saying. I don't keep
stiff definitions of words in my mind to dissect and literally interpret, as
with a world made of iron.
> That's it. It is that simple. However, try doing the same ritual
> within a lucid dream. You will learn to stop doubting your magickal
> ability as results become dynamic.
Then realize that the point of life is to bring that power down from dreams
into physical reality so we can both enjoy the solid, firmness of physical
interactions along with the lucid malleability of dreamscapes. That's the
kingdom of heaven, where your wet dream continues even after the greatest
orgasm of your life, and then another one is inflicted upon you until you
feel like you're wetting your pants with sexual delight.
Damaeus
Lilly
Trying to get my attention, Aine?
~Lilly
aine
>
> - Show quoted text -
No. Not even trying *not* to get your attention. It was a fact to me.
That is how you post when you are being like that. If I want your
attention I will say "Hey, you, Lilly" Then you respond or do not.
Damaeus
BBDD <baud...@gmail.com> posted:
> You, aine, suggest Wicca approves of lurid DEVIANT sexual content for
> children.
> You are not Wicca.
No, she's a person.
> This is a OPEN PUBLIC GROUP.
Do you always waste bandwidth making blatantly obvious statements like that?
> It does not belong to you or anyone else here.
I guess you do; thrice in one post.
I wonder why nobody says "thrice". Is it because it sound too
medieval-sounding?
Damaeus
Lilly
Riiight. And btw, since you're so familiar with my posting habits and
styles, I guess you'll already know that when my name is invoked,
especially by assholes like you (sorry, ainuses like you), and
lies/accusations/snarks are made, you're going to get it back in
spades. That's seems to be exactly what you want so you can cry:
ainus = victim and moral superiority and Lilly = Meanie Poopie Head.
Gee Yer Dumb. And boring. And predictable. And hypocritical. You must
be really hard up for attention these days, you know, besides your
usual hard-upnesses. HTH.
Aunty_Kreist
"Damaeus" <no-...@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
news:egd3m4prm8hrcgk3h...@4ax.com...
I think I recall it from Macbeth. :)
Thrice the brindled cat hath mewed....
ren
> I guess you do; thrice in one post.
>
> I wonder why nobody says "thrice". Is it because it sound too
> medieval-sounding?
>
> Damaeus
I also say the word "thrice", Damaeus. I do it to sound theatrical and
mysteriously powerful in mysterious ways.
ren
> I think I recall it from Macbeth. :)
> Thrice the brindled cat hath mewed....
That's awesome, Aunty! You don't display your strengths often, but
when you do -- wow.
Aunty_Kreist
I only remembered it because it was a quote about cats. :) Meeyow.
"ren" <ren...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:785a6ca2-4d1d-412d...@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Damaeus
ren <ren...@hotmail.com> posted:
> > I guess you do; thrice in one post.
> >
> > I wonder why nobody says "thrice". Is it because it sound too
> > medieval-sounding?
>
> I also say the word "thrice", Damaeus. I do it to sound theatrical and
> mysteriously powerful in mysterious ways.
At least you're aware of why you do it, and you're honest about it. Some
people seem to use medieval words with altered grammatical structures to
sound that way, and the problem is they sound so serious while doing it it
makes me wonder how they really see the world, and if they really think I'm
deluded enough to believe they have that kind of power over me.
Damaeus
Damaeus
ren <ren...@hotmail.com> posted:
> On Jan 6, 4:47 am, "Aunty_Kreist" <auntykre...@ptd.net> wrote:
I didn't perceive it. What are you talking about when you say what she did
is a strength? (And I hope nobody replies to say, "If you can't see it, you
don't need to see it." I hate that...though I haven't heard it in a while)
Damaeus
Joseph Littleshoes
I wouldst quoth thee an infamous text, lest i be seen to seem remiss.....
"Sayest thou (methinks) that here is a great Riddle, since by Reason of
much Repression thou hast lost the Knowledge of thine original Nature?
My son, this is not so; for by a peculiar Ordinance of Heaven, and a
Disposition occult within his Mine, is every Man protected from this
Loss of his own Soul, until and unless be be by Choronzon disintegrated
and dispersed beyond power of Will to repair; as when the Conflict
within him, rending and burning, hath made his Mind utterly desert, and
his Soul Madness.
Give Ear, give Ear attentively; the Will is not lost; though it be
buried beneath a life-old Midden of Repressions, for it persisteth vital
within thee (is it not the true Motion of thine inmost Being?) and for
all thy conscious Striving cometh forth by Night and by Stealth in Dream
and Phantasy. Now is it naked and brilliant, now clothed in rich Robes
of Symbol and Hieroglyph; but always travelleth it with thee upon thy
Path, ready to acquaint thee with thy true Nature, if thou attend unto
its Word, its Gesture, or its Show of Imagery."
Liber Aleph: The Book of Wisdom or Folly. ALTERA DE VIA MATURAE pp. 8.
--
JL
hy_b...@shaw.ca
> ren wrote:
>
>>> I guess you do; thrice in one post.
>>>
>>> I wonder why nobody says "thrice". �Is it because it sound too
>>> medieval-sounding?
>>>
>>> Damaeus
>>
>>
>> I also say the word "thrice", Damaeus. I do it to sound theatrical and
>> mysteriously powerful in mysterious ways.
>
>
> I wouldst quoth thee an infamous text, lest i be seen to seem remiss.....
>
> "Sayest thou (methinks) that here is a great Riddle, since by Reason of
> much Repression thou hast lost the Knowledge of thine original Nature?
>
> My son, this is not so; for by a peculiar Ordinance of Heaven, and a
> Disposition occult within his Mine, is every Man protected from this
> Loss of his own Soul, until and unless be be by Choronzon disintegrated
> and dispersed beyond power of Will to repair; as when the Conflict
> within him, rending and burning, hath made his Mind utterly desert, and
> his Soul Madness.
Forget "thrice":
"Disposition occult" (from the above statement)... remindes me of a line
I like:
"I have duly received a dispensation....."
Just makes me think "Well, okay then. It must be important".
now..the challenge: how to use that statement in every day language!
ren
> "I have duly received a dispensation....."
>
> Just makes me think "Well, okay then. It must be important".
O.k. I have duly received your mucus dispensation.
No! That sounds bloody terrible.
storm
> Reading from news:alt.religion.wicca,
I use it all the time. Drives people crazy. It's part of the way I
have a unique voice and personality on work teleconferences. I am not
sure where I picked it up, but it made perfect conversational sense to
me and just stuck. A wonderful threefold Goddess reference I came up
with is "thrice faced" where the word "faced" has the silent "e"
pronounced as in the Wiccan "blessed be". Sounds wonderfully
profound as the phrase "The horned God and the thrice faced Goddess".
It adds solemnity to a proceeding where a following line might me
"North, East, South, West! Who's the quarter we love the best? Go,
Spirit, Go!"
(I was sort of "challenged" once in a ritual to spontaneously call
quarters. There was a sort of personality dominance thing going on.
I know how to sidetrack those kind of things. When I grinned and did
a full cheerleader voice version of that line, I got two things: one,
a very nasty glare for a moment, and two, never asked to do that
again. Hey, she knew who she was pulling that on and should have
known a little better.)
-storm
storm
"Duly noted" is a shorthand phrase of mine for "I just wrote it down
in the meeting minutes".
I guess I talk weirder than I realize.
I have had this experience several times. In work, I deal with a lot
of teleconferences because I support and work with people in many
different locations. As noted many times by folk, I have a distinct
voice, sentence structure, and vocabulary. People do not have to be
on conference with me more than once before they know exacty who that
voice is. In teleconferences, this can be an interesting advantage.
Occasionally, there are these "let's get everybody together face to
face" sessions. Even before they get to introductions, someone will
hear me talking to another person and suddenly yell, "Hey, that's
Storm!" and I will be at a loss to immediately recognize who it is
that so obviously knows me. I have also had it happen a couple times
in non-work environments, where a person will come up to me in a
restaurant or something and say, "I heard you. You're Storm, aren't
you?" It is friendly, mostly, but it is a very odd and slightly
uncomfortable experience.
In relation to Usenet, I consider it part of what should prevent me
from being perceived as anyone else's "sock". No one talks or types
like me. And it is mostly to their benefit. As this thread reminds
me, I do talk wierd.
And that is without being in ritual mode. Once that kicks in, the
only thing that seems to stop me is that certain "look" from my lady,
or else and elbow in the ribs. And when skyclad, that last bit can
hurt!!
-storm
-storm
ren
> And that is without being in ritual mode. Once that kicks in, the
> only thing that seems to stop me is that certain "look" from my lady,
> or else and elbow in the ribs. And when skyclad, that last bit can
> hurt!!
>
> -storm
Gird thy loins from yonder storm!
Aunty_Kreist
"Damaeus" <no-...@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
It's living proof that I once read a book. Amazing! ;p Hehe.
Aunty_Kreist
local phrases and saying. I live in a particular area that has it's own
unique speech style. It's like I have to purposely attempt to sound more
intelligent, compared to sounding like an Amish farmer.
"Damaeus" <no-...@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote in message
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Damaeus
"Aunty_Kreist" <aunty...@ptd.net> posted:
> I have the opposite problem. I have to consciously try to *not* use weird
> local phrases and saying. I live in a particular area that has it's own
> unique speech style. It's like I have to purposely attempt to sound more
> intelligent, compared to sounding like an Amish farmer.
Most of the people have a southern accent here (Texas), and anytime somebody
with a southern accent says something intelligent, it just does not sound
intelligent at all. Conversely, anything a british person says sounds
intelligent to me, even if it's bullshit.
As for me, I've always "thirsted" for more intelligent conversations in
person, but I haven't found anybody yet who can talk... /"on my level"/. I
try to start conversations to see if people will talk about it, and all they
do is listen to me, but never really say much, themselves. Like I bare my
all, but they don't say shit about themselves, so I never get a chance to
find out what other people are feeling deep down.
Damaeus
Joseph Littleshoes
Vol.2,p.1511
(Do you wear any special costume?)
No suh.
(Some people do.)
Aw, dat's a lotta hokus.
(Well, now, what about the use of the altar?)
[I had delayed this question.]
Well, de altar, ah have mah saints pitchure on it an' de diff'rent
problems of de diff'rent cases of de people - well, ah use 'em in
diff'rent bowls
an' things.
(Do you do that while they are there or while they are gone?)
Oh! While dere gone, because ah have people from all ovah de
country -
New Mexico.
(Well, tell me something about the work that some of these people
do-
this hokus-pokus work around here, you know.)
Oh, well, dey put on a lotta robes an' diff'rent things, crowns,
an' -
it don't mean a thing, not a thing.
(Have you ever heard that a person - that there is a secret order
here
in Algiers for doing this work, that one has to be initiated to get
into it?)
Absolutely untrue, an' ah know whut ah'm talkin' about, an' anybody
will tell yo' dat. Co'se dere's a lotta people heah dat'll try tuh
fake - jis'
fake.
(The reason I ask this is, several years ago a colored girl came
down
here from New York and she wrote a book, and said that there was a secret
organization that they had to be initiated into - you fasted and all
that sort of
thing.)*
Now, dose are supposed tuh be spiritualists. But dey come tuh me
fo'
help. Ah dunno.
(But do they go through any rites of any kind of initiation as
far as
you know?)
Ah nevah 'tended none of dere meetin's.
Now, dere's a woman roun' heah.
(In Chicago?) [She made a trip to Chicago.]
Yessuh, from June tuh September of last yeah. An' all de people
- ah
got so many lettahs dat people wanted me tuh come dere. So ah went,
mo' as a
vacation trip den anything else.
Well, de place where ah stopped, de lady said, tole de people, "De
Madam's heah." Dey call me de Madam, see.
So dey came jis' lak dat, yo' know, an' when she'd tell me, somebody
come - sometime ah be in mah room readin' or somethin', she say,
"Somebody tuh
see yo'."
Well, ah go in de reception room an' dey seem tuh expect me tuh
come out
wit ah dunno whut on. So actually ah have an ord'nary - whatevah ah
had on,
a housedress or somethin', so when ah came in, say, "Howdedo."
"Are you de Madam?"
Ah say, "Now, becus ah don't come out heah wit mah face all
screwed up
an' mah eyes all bugged an' a whole lotta moons an' stars all ovah mah
place,
ah guess yo' think ah dunno whut ah'm doin'." **
[Algiers, LA; Informant #1582, Madam Lindsey; Cylinders E85:4-E94:1 =
2918-2927.]
* (note: Hyatt is obviously referring to Zora Neale Hurston.)
** (note: I appreciate this informant's debunking of costuming,
props, etc. It's fine as a fashion statement, but has nothing to do with
ability.)
hy_b...@shaw.ca
You received my snot all the way over there?
Wow, that is one powerful booger factory I have!
But really it is the ectoplasm of the heart that you have yourself there!
ren
> But really it is the ectoplasm of the heart that you have yourself there!
I'm living in a real ghost factory now. There must have been an epic
battle waged under my new place. I am swimming in ectoplasm right now.
hy_b...@shaw.ca
I truly experienced that (at least around you), in the last few hours.
hy
Now that I have had time to think about it, I do believe they were my
own ghosts that I encountered.
ren
> Now that I have had time to think about it, I do believe they were my
> own ghosts that I encountered.
...
aine
(crosses eyes, sticks out tongue, blows a raspberry your way)
Aunty_Kreist
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